Live Like a Girl with Dr. Mindy Pelz - The Journey back from Heavy Metal Toxicity- with Dr. Susan Monias

Episode Date: July 30, 2020

This episode is all about reversing a diagnosis using the ketogenic diet, fasting, and detoxing.  Seven years ago, Dr. Susan Monias was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. Her body was in control of her. Dr. Susan has successfully reversed all signs of the disease and has not suffered a relapse in more than four years. Dr. Susan considers her MS diagnosis a blessing because she has learned so much from some of the world's best doctors. In this podcast, we cover: - How Dr. Susan reversed her Multiple Sclerosis diagnosis  - Why diet changes can help your diagnosis  - How the ketogenic diet changed Dr. Susan's diagnosis  - About accomplishing a water fast - Utilizing heavy metal detoxing in your health journey - How getting healthy is cheaper than being sick - Why we need to heal from the inside to get permanent healing This Podcast is Sponsored by: PaleoValley. Get 10% off with promo code TheResetterPodcast. This Podcast is Sponsored by: Dry Farm Wine. Get a bottle of wine for a penny! RESOURCES: Everything you need to know about detoxing Dr. Susan Monias Wesbite Dr. Susan Monias on Facebook

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your day with me. Okay, resetters. So the next interview I have for you here is actually really near and dear to our hearts because we have been on this journey with this incredible woman. Don't you think, Jess, this is like a very personal story for you and me. Yes, I feel like, well, it's been two years of being on this journey with her. Like, and she's the kindest, sweetest woman you'll ever meet. Amazing. Amazing. So this is Dr. Susan Manias, and she is a chiropractor. And she came to us two years ago after a very long journey with MS. And what was really profound for me, when she first came to us is that she had done so much with her health. She had seen functional medicine doctors. She had seen different chiropractors. This woman had basically been on a journey. I think she said

for about five years. Yeah, five years. Was it five years? But she hit a wall. And what I was so blessed by is that she came to us to get her over that wall and was willing to say, hey, I need help, even though she had all of this knowledge herself and had done so much work. So I want to read for you guys before we open it up for the interview. I want to read you a little bit of her bio because it's really fascinating or of her story. I'll read you the first couple of sentences she has here on her website is that seven years ago she was diagnosed with MS. Her body was in control of, she said, my body was in control of me.

I never knew one day to the next what I would experience. It was a very scary place, and I wanted more than anything to be in control of my body and health again. I have successfully reversed all signs of this disease and have not suffered a relapse in more than four years. I consider my MS diagnosis a blessing because I have learned so much from some of the best doctors in the world. I believe it put me on a path and a purpose on this earth to help others realize they are not victims to a diagnosis or poor health at any level. Oh, love that. Love that. It's like I love looking at people's mission statements, but here's what I'm hoping you all

will get out of this podcast is that there is a journey to healing. And Dr. Susan does an incredible job really explaining what her journey looked like. And I also think what was really profound about this episode is you'll see how many times she got stuck and what she did to unstick herself. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I mean, she goes through about a 10 year. Well, today was, this year was 10 years officially since being diagnosed. So 10 years of what she's been doing on this journey in this podcast, which is tenacity at its finest. Tenacity, belief. She told us, and I won't give away too much before I handed over here, but this, she was given 10 years to live. And this is her 10th year. So this was actually the year she was supposed to die. And you'll hear in this episode. episode, how she got through that diagnosis, how she got through that prognosis, and why she's

alive today. Yeah, enjoy, guys. This is a great one. Let's start off with this idea that I'd love for you to share with our resetters. You and I have been working together a year, two years. Yeah, it was like the end of 2018. I feel like fall of 2018. I feel like I blink and just time. I know, it flies by. I can only be last year when by some. fats. It's like amazing. It's been a year, like, gone by. Crazy, right? Yeah. And a couple of the, couple of things that I remember when I first met you was, A, you had been trying to detox, detox on your own. And even though your background is in, your train as a chiropractor, right? Is that your original? Yeah. And then I know you've done other work beyond that outside.

Yeah, medical medicine work. So, like, I knew a lot, honestly. I mean, I've been through tons of education. So it's like, but I still couldn't do it. Right. And there's a and there's a couple of reasons for that. One, I think as doctors are, we can't solve our own problems. Like our, we're too blinded. Everything's too close. We have too many prejudgments. But what I remember when I first talked to you was you did not, you were not healing because of lack of knowledge. You were not healing because of lack of tenacity. Like you had just gotten stuck and you didn't know how to get out of that. I had an idea to get the metals out. And that's why I couldn't finish. I couldn't do that on my own. Yeah, so just so the resetters are up to speed, give us a little idea of your journey

and why you eventually, you actually thought of a metal detox, like give us some perspective so people kind of get filled in on your story. Yeah, and I'll do it. I'll fast forward as quickly as I can, but initially I was told I didn't have metals. I was told, like I had a metal test done,

I had the hair analysis done. So my first doctor told me, you don't have any metals. And I thought to myself, that's impossible because my mouth was full of mercury. How could it be? So I had been listening to Dr. Pompa, and I knew I have to have metals, but I didn't know enough to find out more. So I went on this journey.

So fast forward probably a couple of years, four years, but I knew the last leg of my journey was going to have to be. I have to get these metals out. So I got all the metals removed from my mouth. I had all the amalgams removed. But I knew now I had detox the metals. Every time I did it, I couldn't last three, four days. I was so fatigued.

All symptoms started coming back. So here, I didn't have these symptoms for years. And now the minute I started detoxing metals, they all started coming back. So you get scared and you stop because you don't want, you don't want MS back. You know what I mean? And just again, to fill everybody in, were you actually diagnosed with MS? Or did you just know you had the clinical symptoms of it? No, I was diagnosed.

I went to the hospital. I was fine on Sunday. Monday morning, I had no use to the right side of my body. So the right side of my body, my eye was shut. I couldn't talk. My diaphragm wasn't working. My arm's legs weren't working. The whole right side was kind of paralyzed.

So we brushed me to the hospital. They took me in immediately, said I had a stroke. Went in for a cat scan. They saw something immediately on the cat scan, but they admitted me because they didn't really believe it was a stroke. It didn't make sense. I was 40 years old. I was healthy.

That's the thing, too. I was healthy. I was under chiropractic care. I took supplements, I exercised, I ate well, we shopped the farmer's market, I did not eat dairy, I did not eat preservatives, I didn't not eat any chemicals, like I already did all that. Yeah, I still had. Do you know how many times we hear that story? That was my story too. It's like there's nothing left for me to work on. Oh, I guess there is. So you know, you kind of have when you discover heavy metals, you sort of have that.

Uh-huh. What's it like to one day appear to be healthy and the next day have your face and arm be paralyzed? What goes through your head? It's strange, but it's true because my husband says this all the time. It's like his testimony. I believe that I was given MS because I had to reverse it and I had to show more people how to reverse it. So from day one in my hospital bed, when they told me, you're going to be a wheelchair in five years. You're going to be dead in 10 years. I'm supposed to be dead this year.

Like, this is supposed to be last year of my life, my 50th year. You need to do like a party. Like, I'm not dead. I beat the dead prognosis. Yeah. But you know what's sad. People feed into that. So I would go, they gave me like support groups, of course. They were trying to help me, which, you know, it's nice. And I went to the support groups for like two seconds. And they're all like counting down their days. Like I'm four years, four years and three months away from my wheelchair. I'm like, oh my goodness. Yeah. So it was incredible. But that's the one thing I had from the day of the diagnosis, which is May 9th, 2011, I believe that I was going to reverse this because I have the chiropractic belief in my heart that they could feel. They could feel. I'm going to heal this body. So it's amazing. And I knew it. So there's no question in my mind, ever, ever. Like that's the one thing. No one can ever tell me. No neurologist, no specialist that I couldn't reverse this. Yeah. And that's, you know, have you ever studied Joe Dispens's work? Yes. Yes.

You know, he talks so much about how they can prove the mind-body connection. And when you have certainty, then you can now put in some really good protocols to match that certainty and the body can heal. I know you see this that where people, we bring this amazing tool set to people to heal and they're still analyzing it, not really sure, they're in fear. And if they don't have that certainty, it just takes them either twice as long or it doesn't work as well. Yeah, absolutely right. Yeah. So that was the only thing. And I actually realized that during this pandemic. I don't know why, but it finally came to me. Like, that was the one thing. You couldn't tell me. There was no telling me. No one could tell me. And I was like, I didn't realize that that was a big part of my healing. I didn't even realize

up until this year that that was a big part of it for me, that you have to believe. So now I tell everybody that you have to believe. I have signs all over my office. Like, you have to believe because if you believe, it can be done, you know. Don't have that. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I love that. When I was in college, I played tennis, and it was the first time that there was a sports psychology, or sports psychology was coming out to the forefront. People still thought it was very woo-woo. And so there was this master's student that offered his services to us as tennis players. And he said, I'll create a tape for you where you are going to draw out or verbalize your perfect match. And then we put it on our Walkmans.

Do you remember Walkman's? Yes, I do. So I put it on my walkman and I listened to it every day. And that season, I had my best season ever. Wow. And I know now we look at that. We go, well, we know about sports psychology. But when you look at health psychology, it's very much the same is that certainty, the trust in the body is so massively and powerful.

And I think why part of it was such a joy to work with you because you already came programmed with that belief system. Thank you. It helps. Yeah. Yeah, because you have to undo that and try to constantly convince people, you know, that you know, and I promise you this can happen, you know, they just, they question. Also, they go home and ask family, which is the worst thing they can do. Oh, yeah. So, I'm asking people. Yep. Oh, my God. That happens all the time. It's like, I'm not certain. So let me ask a bunch of people that believe exactly the opposite of what my doctor's telling me. And then they end up in this place of now I'm conflict. I have an internal conflict. And they get stuck. They get stuck. Yeah, I know. So, okay, so you got this crazy diagnosis. When was your, when's your 50th birthday? Did you just turn?

Next month. Oh my gosh. I'm going to send you a, I'm going to send you a something that says you're not dead. I love it. So you get this crazy diagnosis. You get a crazy prognosis. And yet you know the body can heal. So how do you go from a place of getting a very scary diagnosis to, to moving into a healing state. All right. Well, I did this from my hospital, but I called, there was a teacher in my school who had been, he was a natural hygienist or, you know, functional medicine now is what we call it, but he would reverse chronic disease in people.

So I called him first, made an appointment. And I called a chiropractor because the funny story is the weekend before my diagnosis, I was down in Orlando Flora. I drove there, had midterms all week, drove down to Orlando for a chiropractic seminar. Stay there through the weekend, drove home through the night because Sunday was Mother's Day. So everyone thought when I didn't feel well on Monday, I was just tired. You know what I mean? But like my face was tubing.

They thought my Bell's palsy, you know what I mean? Things like that. So it was kind of odd that happened. So I also changed chiropractors because they were doing research at the time on MS patients. That's what the weekend was about. MS patients. Fascinating. We were like in how that all happened.

Yeah, that worked. That timed nicely for you. Yeah, it's crazy. Like when I think back, I'm like, you know, you just shake your head. Like, how did that all happen? But I was there for the research because I love research. So like I went. I was like, oh my gosh, they're reversing MS.

I'll tell you. I didn't even know what MS was. All I knew was Montel Williams had MS. That's all I knew about. And I went to this conference because doctors flew in from Italy and they were talking about how they reversed the disease and how many patients. I was so fascinated by it.

And then turned down Monday morning. That was my diagnosis. So I went to- You got the diagnosis after the conference. Yes, that Monday. So I was there all weekend at this chiropractic conference, you know, drove down there, drove home through the night. So my energy was high. I had good energy.

I thought it was healthy midterms all the week before. So super stressful week drove to Orlando. It was about eight, eight, ten hours. I went to this conference on MS. And Monday morning, that was what I got diagnosed with. Wow. So I'm crazy. I'm a chiropractor who was involved in that study.

So that's the two phone call. So you knew where to go immediately. Yeah. Okay. And that was a plus. Yeah, you landed his office and what was his advice to you? Well, he started adjusting me. He does an upper cervical adjustment.

And really, things turned around for me in like two, about two months, but combined with the functional medicine doctor. So those two together is really, and I've been under care, chiropractic care straight through this 10 years. I have never missed like my adjustment or check into the week. But I had a biochemical figure out what was going on my body because I don't believe, I didn't believe from the minute one that it was just going to be chiropractic. As much as I love chiropractic and my chiropractic at heart, I knew there's more to it than just

chiropractic because I was under chiropractic care for five years prior to get in diagnosis. So I knew that wasn't it. So it was just the unlayering of all the other stuff that was going on in my body that really. Which I think is an important point because I have said this over and over again and I think it's worth repeating that when we come to healing, when we get a diagnosis and we want to heal and we don't want to use the traditional allopathic way. We come over to the natural alternative as people will refer to it, but let's call it health care and sick care is sort of the alopathic to me. But when you come over to a more natural way, you bring that same philosophy. Well, I just need to find the one natural thing. Right. So you go to the chiropractor and that maybe

doesn't do it and then you go to a nutritionist and that maybe doesn't do it and then you go and take a magic supplement and that doesn't maybe do it and you're so frustrated and what you don't realize is each one of those things that you did are actually phenomenal you just had to do them all together right now's the thing yeah so it's actually doing all those things you mentioned it once right I see it over and over and now especially now in the toxic world we're living in I see it over and over again where we're bringing this one problem, one diagnosis, one pill mentality into the natural world. And you can't do that. You have to realize it's a multi-therapeutic approach.

You're going to have to use a lot of therapies. And it's really frustrating. So that's what. The one pill thing gets me, like when people ask for what supplement do you recommend for this? And meanwhile, you're thinking about it and thinking of their history, and you're like, my gosh, you have so much to unravel. Like, how can one pill fix that?

That's right. One natural pill. Yeah. Right. So, okay, so now you're at the chiropractor, you went to a functional medicine. What were sort of like the first steps that you changed? Was there anything in your lifestyle that you felt like needed that? Food.

Okay. So what did you change? The functional medicine doctor changed my diet completely. And I always joke about this because he had a little piece of paper and he like slid across the table. And he's like, this is what you can eat. There was like seven foods on the list. And I was like, oh my gosh. You know, and that's the hardest thing.

Like, I'm Italian and I'm from New York. Like, we eat. You know, like I have to eat. So it was really, it was vegan. diet. So it was no meat. I wasn't a big meat eater anyway, but it's still, it was, there wasn't much on that list. But you just, you have to eat it. You have to do, you have to do to get well, right? So that's another thing I was run into. Like when you have people change their diet and like, oh, I can, you know, not have the pizza and find out. I'm like,

yes, you can. Like, you know what I mean? So it's like years of diet changes, you know, but things happened to where I was, I was vegan for, I think, two years. And that worked at first. I'm like, Dr. Pomp always says, you make that change and everything seems to be better. First change is I asked. Yeah. Yeah. So I noticed, I always did my blood work. I was always fascinated with blood work.

So I did my blood work every three months and looked at it. And my blood sugars kept going up. And my thyroid TSA kept going down. Like, so I kept seeing these changes. And I was like, what's going on? But then I realized like what I need to pull out of my diet to get my blood sugar to change. And then finally when I detox the metals, which didn't happen until 2018, 19, my TSA finally started to go up.

But those are things that can change. Yeah, it's so interesting. The T-SH, if the T-SH is under 1.8, 1.9, it's usually a metal issue because you got metals in your brain. Yeah, my mouth is 0.8. Wow. Yeah, so it was, and it kept going down. It was like 1.1 and it was like 0.8. Like, it just kept going.

I'm like, why does this keep going down? So I feel like I'm getting healthier and healthier. Yeah. But the TSA kept going down, all those B vitamins, I was so anemic, like so B vitamin deficient, also metals. that nothing changed. So no doctor I was at at this point was changing any of that. But I'm always asking him, well, why? Why is this happening?

Why is that happening? Like, I wanted the answers. And it wasn't good enough for me to just like, you're doing better. Like, I was like, no, I have to be better than ever. Like, does not just do better. You know what I mean? And a lot of doctors just like are happy you got a little better and what do you want? You know what I mean?

But like, I wanted it all. Yep. So true. It's so true. So, okay, when you first heard the food changes you had to make, Even though you didn't really like the changes you had to make, did you follow the instructions that that doctor gave you? Were you like, yep, I'm going to do it?

Yeah. Yeah, I hundred percent. And so did you debate him or were you like, I just want to be well, I'll do whatever you say? Yeah, that was it because he was very well-renowned around. I mean, he had patients coming all over the country. I had known him for years. And that's another funny part of the story.

I knew him from years. My mom was very natural my whole life. We were never really medicine people. and when she heard I was moving to Georgia, she's like, that's where the doctor is. Like the doctor we've always talked about all these years. She's like, maybe you can meet him someday. And I was like, yeah, that would be great. And then it turned out, he turned out being my teacher in high practice school.

So I met him. Wow. It's like all, the whole thing pulled together. Like, so I needed to be here to be under his care. And I did make the changes. And the way I did was I just kept it simple. I just was like, these are the foods I can eat. So I made them all like on Sunday.

And then I just kept eating them through the week. I need anything else. Like I didn't need any sugar. I didn't need any fried food, you know, all the chips and stuff like that. Even though I was, I ate pretty well, I still ate chips for my thing. So that was, I still thought it was okay to have chips because the ingredients were minimal. You know what I'm saying? Like when you read a tortilla chip bag, there's really not a lot of stuff in it.

So I still ate them, you know, so I just had to illuminate all that. Yeah. And I think diet changes are really tricky because when you're up against a diagnosis, like MS and you're feeling horrible and you've got a practice you've got to get back to and a family. Like your motivation at that moment to make a change is like you just you just do it because the alternative is more painful. I had the same experience when I had chronic fatigue. I had a doctor put me on meat and I had vet. We could do vegetables, but it was basically the ketogenic diet. I laughed because he didn't say it back that. But I didn't think twice about it.

was like, I can't get out of bed. So if this diet is going to help me get out of bed, I'm willing to do it. But how many people are like, yeah, maybe I'll try that. Maybe I don't know. And I always, when people get like that, I think your why isn't big enough. You're not stuck enough. Why don't we say not enough pain? Yep. Yeah, enough pain. So I think a lot of people say, well, I'm stuck with my health. But in reality, they're stuck with their mind. mindset. Are they doing everything they possibly can or they've been recommended to do? Right. Yeah, usually not. Right? It's fascinating. Not comfortable. Like it wasn't comfortable for me because I had three kids at the time, three young kids between, you know, whatever 10 and 16 and my husband.

And they're all eating pizza and they're not making diet changes. So I had to sit there and make those diet changes while they're eating everything in front of me. And I was telling my patients now, I'm like gluten-free wasn't a thing 10 years ago, really. Oh, I went. gluten-free 30 years ago. Oh my gosh. I was ridiculed and laughed at, and I had these really hard bagels, gluten-free bagels I would eat.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, so like all the stuff we have today, which is now, I'm like, don't even tell me. Like, there is everything. Not that you want everybody processed gluten-free products, but there was no gluten-free anything. So I just made decision.

I was like, well, to be gluten-free, I just have to eat vegetables, and I was a lot to eat brown rice at the time. And that was it, not really meat. And fish. He made me fish four times a week, and I hate fish. I hate fish. I hate fish to the child. And four times a week, he told me you have to eat fish, and I did it. Right. Because the alternative was more painful than the pain of eating the

There was no alternative in my mind. There was no alternative at all, you know, so there's no way of going in the world. I love that. Okay, so you make these food changes. You're getting a little bit better. And that went on. The food changes, he probably gave you some supplement. You were getting chiro care. That went on for a couple years? Yeah, probably about, I guess like maybe two or three years. And I was always getting a little better. Like my relapses were less often. There was less time to recover between them. So I saw the changes and they were little like I can live with them. So I was still in school at a time. But it was I can only go to school till 11 o'clock in the morning. That's when my energy ended. And then I had gone to go back to bed for the next day. So I just adjusted my schedule to live like that and make it through school. I remember. I remember that's when I met you.

I remember you saying, well, I, and you were so positive and you're like, well, I just changed my schedule for my energy levels. And all I could think was, we got to get your energy levels up. Then you have the whole day to do what you ought to do. I know. That's still crazy to me because it's still like almost like a habit. Like I have to go take a nap or something. But then I just tell myself, like, no, you don't. Like, it's still full of energy.

Like, I couldn't take a nap if I wanted to. That's amazing. So, okay, so what was your next step when your energy was a little low and you didn't know what to do? What did you feel like at that point? What did you add in? So I'll skip ahead to 2016 or so. It was about five years in. So 16 to 17, I was listening to Dr. Pompana and he kept talking about the ketogenic diet. And I was like, well, that's when I've never tried. So I was like, you know what? I'm going to try it.

And when I find this thing that works and gets rid of my fatigue, I'm never going to stop doing it. Like, that's it. That's going to be it. Because the fatigue was, it was really debilitating. Because at this point, I graduated and I have office hours. So I'm like, oh, can you come at 10 or 11? Because that's all I have. Like, I don't have, but at 12. I just couldn't do 5 o'clock.

By 5 o'clock, I had to be sleeping. I couldn't answer emails at 5 o'clock. It was really taking a big chunk out of my, you know, starting to start a practice. So I started doing keto. And I remember I'm saying that do carb, you know, 20 grams of carbs are less for three days and you should be able to get, you know, ketones going. But I was like, well, I'm really sick. So that's not possible.

So all through January, I just followed keto and then all through February. And then mid-February, I was like, I got to do. test my ketone. So I bought a ketone reader and I had it sitting there, but I didn't want to check it because I don't want to get discouraged, but I just went and checked it and I was in ketosis already. Well, after, but that was a month and a half in. I bet you were in earlier than you thought. Yeah, I bet too, but I didn't think it was. I was like, there's no way. But I was. I was so excited at that time. I was like so excited. And then that was it. That was keto and fasting. How long did it take you like in that first, before you even checked your ketones?

Were you already kind of noticing some changes? How quickly did the changes come with keto and on fasting. Yeah, I was only like, I would say like the first week, it was tough. Like, it was tough to end you being fast. I remember that first week. So I was like a snacker. Like that's all I did. Like constantly like a piece of fruit, you know, almonds. Like it was good food, but I was constantly eating like all day long, you know. So at first it was hard to get that eating window. But once I did it, I was, and you probably get this all the time. Like the next thing you you know, it's two o'clock in the afternoon and you know, you haven't eaten. And you don't even know. And you're fine. So when that happens,

it's amazing because your energy is soaring. It's through the roof. Your brain is like working top-notch. Like it just, it's amazing. It is true that when you first come on to the ketogenic diet, I always say that it's like the movie Limitless. Did you ever see that movie Limitless with Bradley Cooper where he takes the pill and he can learn like eight languages? That's what I'm like, and he stays up for days and he starts becoming like a Wall Street, you know, wizard and it's so interesting. That's how I feel. Yeah. Yeah. So it was like game changing. It was game changing. So, okay, so you go from this kind of strange diet that the functional medicine doctor gave you. And then you go to the ketogenic diet and fasting. So you get another layer of healing. And then what happens after that? There was one more doctor in between there who told me I had to eat meat. Oh, interesting. I was vegan and then he didn't check my blood or anything, but he like looked at everything going on. He's like, you have to start eating meat. At that time, I had turned my vegan diet into a raw diet. So I was eating all raw food. I take everything to be extreme.

So when he said to me, and he told me also I couldn't eat any raw food, and I looked at and I said, what am I going to eat? He's like, cooked food. I'm like, oh, like it didn't even make sense to me because I was so much into that, but I started eating meat again. And then it was possible for me to think about the keto diet. I think it wasn't possible before because I didn't eat meat and I didn't know how to do that. So that's why I made my mind to it.

That's actually another interesting point because the healing journey is not linear. and what might have worked for you in the beginning won't continue to work for you. And I think this is another misnomer that people don't realize is oftentimes when you try something new, there's going to be an immediate reaction. Sometimes that immediate reaction is like it's bad and sometimes it's really good.

But our bodies are programmed for homeostasis. So they're going to make like an adaptation to the new change, but then you get stuck, which is why you have to keep changing. Right. And that's what I did, honestly, for those five years, like, changing, changing, changing. And then I did keto. Like, that was my end. And that's kind of where I ended the journey because that's when I was completely healed and the metals came out and I worked with you.

And I've kind of just been. Have you tried carnivore? We're doing carnivore in the resetters right now. This week with you all. Oh, you're wet. Yeah. What do you do? We actually started yesterday though.

Oh, no, yesterday was Tuesday. We started a day late because we actually, we were traveling and we just got home. And I caught some of your videos. I'm like, so I just like, lighted on them too. Tuesday night, we'll go to do carnivore. He's like, what? I'm like, just to eat meat. So I'm like, me, water, and stuff. Just follow me. I got you. Yeah. That sounds like my husband. He's not so happy doing carnivore, which surprises me. But yeah. My husband loves me. And I've been telling him to

slow down on the meat for all these years. I'm like, because he used to be a bodybuilder. So like to him, like, he had to eat a ton of meat, you know, and he had all those kind of disease processes that go along with that. So I had a time to win him away from that. But now I'm like, go ahead. Eat meat. That's what we're doing now. He was like, oh, awesome. Yeah. And you know what's, again, back to the point of diet variation, when I went out on social media and said,

hey, I'm going to try carnivore fasting. And I started to show people the research that I was seeing. It was so fascinating to watch people's reactions because a lot of people were like, wait, does this mean everything you've said up until this point is not right? I'm so confused. And I'm like, no, we're going to look at carnivore fasting as a tool that we can add into our into our toolbox. And that's what we're doing. That's it. We don't need to stay in one

path always. We can keep moving and changing. Yeah. And it's actually fun when you do that, which I learned for you. You know what I mean? Like the diet variation at the time of the month. Like my cycle now is like spot on perfect and it's like I'm 50 years old. Like that's unheard of in the stay and age. You know what I mean? So it's amazing what changes do. The variation does. The more I do the eat right before the cycle, the easier my cycles get and I'm like oh my god now I am I ever going to be on the other side of menopause like I'm I'm ready I'll be 51 in October I'm ready so okay so now you're you've got the keto diet going you've got the fasting going and then and then you add in the heavy metals is that the next thing yeah fasting was a bigger part like I I and I just I wanted to say this because

that's the other thing I had this with my my clients like talking about fasting they look at me and they're like Like I want them to realize, like you don't jump into a five-day water fast. No. It takes a lot of time and it takes a lot of trying. And I was set on doing a five-day water fast. I think it was the beginning of 2018, and I didn't make it three days. It's my blood sugar dropped too low. I was getting tunnel vision.

So I had bone broth and I took things solved. I started feeling better. But the thing is mentally, my husband said to me, you have to eat. Oh, my gosh, you have to eat. You know, because when you first experienced fasting with people, they think you're going to drop dead because you haven't eaten. Crazy. So mentally, in my head, I was going to eat.

I probably could have kept going, but I did it. So it ended after three days. That's how far as I got. I tried again in June. I think I got the fourth day in June, but I still didn't get five days. So it took October of 2018. It took three tries to get that five-day water fast. And what incredible healing I had.

I had pain, like unbelievable pain. But it left after the fast, never felt pain again. Two years. Never felt anything again. Like it's like worked out in the body. That one water fast was the thing. Yeah. That also happens when you're working this,

your healing journey from so many different levels. Is that the body, like it's like layers of wallpaper where you're pulling one layer off. And then you pull another layer off. And then eventually you get to the bottom layer and you're like, whoa, this wall is beautiful. Right. That's the thing. And people get discouraged. You know what I mean?

Because if they can't, they can't even think about an intermittent fast. Forget about a five-day fast. But you're not thinking about the five-day fast. but you're not thinking about the five-day fast when you're starting to mint fasting. You're just trying to get through your 14 hours or 15 hours of been to men fasting. And that's what you do. And I'm always saying, you know, you'd have to just take it a little out of time. And that's kind of what I did.

And I tried. I fell off my bike. I got back on, try it again. You know what I mean? And so that's another healing principle that I think is so important is that oftentimes you fall off or you hit a bump. And what we tend to do is like throw that healing. technique out the window because we're like, oh, this, we hit a bump. Well, that's going back to using the mindset of allopathic medicine. Because in that, in that mindset, if I'm taking a medication and I feel

worse, it must be a problem with the medication. So the doctor must change the medication. And if the doctor keeps changing the medication and changing the medication and you're still feeling worse, you change doctors. When you come over to the natural healing world, right? It's like ludicrous, you come over to the natural world. The tools that we use over here, Sometimes you may not succeed at, but you, like you said, you fall and you get back up. Or they might make you worse for a little bit. But if you keep working the principles, they work in alignment with the way the body wants to heal and you will get there.

Right. And that's the key. You have to drop that old mindset. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. You just have to keep trying. I mean, they work. That's the truth.

They work. Your body may not be ready for it at the time. But to me, that was like, I need to get stronger. I need to get stronger. Like, it meant I had to work hard. harder to be able to make it through a five-day water fast. The goal was a fast. I just had to work up to get there. You know, I didn't just throw it out the window and say, I can't do five-day fast. I don't make it through, you know. Right. Yeah. That's amazing. I just did a video on YouTube

that is the five steps you'd need to take to be able to do a three-day water fast so that people can follow those steps before they jump into it. Right. So, yeah. So, okay, when you jumped into heavy metals, and that would seem logical. I love the order in which you did all the healing is really smart. When you jumped into heavy metals, what happened when you first started doing heavy metal detoxing? Yeah, so the first time I tried to do it because I thought at this point, I'm in ketosis, I'm on the keto diet. I could do the metals now. I'm certainly strong enough. I wasn't. I still couldn't do it. I still couldn't make it through it. So this was March, I think of 2018, but that's when I contacted you that summer. I was like, the only way I'm going to do this is

like someone's going to have to pull me through and say, you're going to be fine, just do it. And I knew that. So that's why I came to you and you and Jessica. Jessica helped me so much, you know, getting through it because once again, the symptoms all started happening. And here I am. I was feeling great. My ang was through the roof. Like, I was like on top of the world. I figured I had the beat. And then I was getting it all the symptoms over again. Because I was having trouble walking. I had a lot of motor function. I was getting fatigued. So the thing is, though, like I. No, good. You. You go. No, I was just going to say, I just, have you pulled me through it. That's what I needed.

And like you said, so let me just need somebody to pull you through. Yeah. Be there for you. Yeah. And I, you know, with detox, one of my biggest pieces is that there's a process to properly detox. And you do need people to pull you through it. You need people to guide you through it because you're going to have highs and lows and it's hard to do on your own. So even as a doctor, it's hard. You can't do it on your own because you're too close to it. Yeah. And you need that. It's scared, honestly.

Like, it's scary, you know? Plus you have to work. You're like, I can't be like this. You know, and you just don't want to go backwards ever, like ever. So when you feel like you might have gone backwards, you have to know that you're not going backwards. You're just healing through it. You know, it's not going backwards.

You just have to work through it. What did your family think watching you, like, have all this energy and feeling great? Right? And now you start this heavy metal detox and you're going backwards. Did you, I mean, did your family think, what are you doing? Yeah, they did. And that was part of the thing was so that weekend, I think, actually, I think I talked to you like three times that weekend. I couldn't walk and all right.

Like, was acting up again and knew my husband had a weekend trip planned. And he was saying like, why are you doing this? Like you were fine. Just like you just said. He said just that. You know, you were fine. why would you do this to yourself now? Why are you doing this? And I was like, because I have to get these metals out of my body or something else is going to happen. Like, I'm such a prominent of like getting

the metals out or I'm going to wind up with cancer or something worse. You know what I mean? So I knew they had to come out of my body. They couldn't stay in there. And whether I had to go through to get them out, I just had to go through and get them out. But yes, they thought I was absolutely mad. What did they think now? Like after watching you do all these things? I mean, are like your kids, Do they believe in like keto and fasting and those kind of things? Are they? Yeah. Actually, my son, who's 22, has always fasted naturally his whole entire life.

Like he's, I've always liked him listen to his body when it came to eating. So he just, he wants to follow and do what I'm doing. So I'm really happy about that. So he wants to come into this world and help more people. So he reads all Dr. Fung's books and all Dr. He loves everybody's books. You know what I mean? Because he saw it.

Like, and he tells people. Like he's actually like a big, big advocate of mine. tells people my mom did this and you know so that's awesome yeah it's awesome yeah i think it's hard when it to jessica's point when you're healing you're doing well and then you go into a detox and there's there's a bump is what i call it where you're not doing well and people again around you will don't understand that because they're all stuck in the alopathic mindset that if you're doing well don't don't just don't touch it just keep what you're doing yeah yeah they don't realize there's something deeper that needs to happen here.

Right. To get permanent, well, like permanently well, you know, you just know that they have to do it, but they see you struggling, you know what I mean? So, like, you know why they're saying what they're saying. They don't want to see you struggle ever again. They thought that was in the past, but. Yeah. Yeah.

So, okay, so at what point, so it, just for our listeners who are not familiar with our heavy metal detox, we do a prep phase and then a body phase and a brain phase. And each phase has a little different strategy to it. At what point did you start to? to move from I'm not feeling very well to, hey, actually, I'm going to a whole other level of health that I haven't experienced in a long time. After I had to go through, I think, two brain phases. So at body phase, it had to be titrated down for me.

I couldn't handle the body phase. So we titrated that down for me and I got through and added some supplements and then got into the brain phase. And it was weird because I couldn't get through. We had to titrate the brain phase. I think the one about brain phase, which should be 30 days, took me like two months to get through. But the thing was, once I got to the...

Which is great. We tell people that all the time, we're like, this is not a competition. You don't win any awards for the fastest detoxer. Yeah. But after that first box, the second box, I was actually craving the detox. Like, the week on, the week off, like, on that week on, I couldn't wait because my body wanted that. It was weird. Like, it was a strange thing.

And just the mental clarity I was getting was just incredible. I mean, everything was incredible. It still is. And that was, you know, a year ago. But fantastic. Yeah, I say the same thing. I get so excited to go back onto a brain phase because I'm like, I just love the way my brain works when I go back on there.

It's like, you know, I'm joyful. I'm clear. I can retain information. Like, it is so incredible. Yeah, it really is. I think it's going to go through the bumps to get there. And most people aren't willing to do that. No, they're not.

Or they get angry that like they're, like they don't have the belief that what they're healing through it. You know what I mean? You just have to just keep encouraging them. But then after, it's all obvious that that's what they had to do and they're so thankful. You know what I mean? But it's just pulling them through that time. Exactly. Exactly. That's why we are doing what we're doing, right? It was just trying to coach people through it and not just have people go randomly like, you know, purchase supplements and just do it on their own. It really should be something you get coached through. So we are, what did you say, two months out from your 50th? birthday? What's your birthday? August 19th, a month. Okay, so we're like a month out from not only

your 50th birthday, but the day you were supposed to die, the year you were supposed to die. And you've been on this crazy journey. You've done a lot of things. Give us just an update on what your health is like now. It's actually better than ever. But I haven't been this healthy since my 20s, probably. You know, so even all my, I still check my blood. It's just a habit for me. But every six months, you know, and just watch things and everything is still good. My TSA is optimal. My thyroid's working perfectly. I'm not anemic anymore. Like, once I got the metals out, and I still have work to do with metals, like it's not over because it's not really that easy. There's more to be done. Yeah, my health is awesome. Like, I have energy now. You know, I used to have to go walk in the morning,

like eight in the morning because I didn't have the energy. But now it'll be like six o'clock in nine. I'll be like, oh, I think I'm going to go for a run or whatever. Like, I never did that. Like, that's still shocking to my family to see me do things like that. I was just so debilitated and refute. Yeah. Amazing. And you reorganized your practice too because of your energy was good. Like, right?

Yeah. So now I'll be working 12, 13 hour day, you know? Loving it. It's awesome because 10, 15 people on a day where I used to be seeing two. Yeah. There's no energy. I still saw them, but that was it. But now I can see so many more people.

I have so much energy doing talks all the time. You know, it just gave me the energy to be able to go out and tell people. Yeah. What I did. I remember having a conversation with you early on that my number one goal was to get your energy back so that you can see more people so that you could make more money. I mean, of course, you see more people because you love it, but there was also a financial concern.

And I remember saying, like, this is why we got to get your health back on track because when you are the best version of you, you know, you can make more money. You can be a better spouse. You can be contribute to the world better. And I think when people first start the healing journey, sometimes they look at the cost of things. And they're like, oh, I can't afford that. But what they don't realize is they actually can't afford to stay sick because their income potential is worse in a state of sickness. Yeah.

And let me tell you, because when I first went to these doctors, I was a student. We were living on one income, three kids. So like we had the house, the cars, everything. And then suddenly my husband and I both lost our jobs in 2008. So we had no income. And I decided I'm going to go back to school now. So we're not going to have my income anymore at all. But the thing was like when I had to go to these doctors, I didn't have any money. Honestly, I just had none. You know what I mean? So, but when he told me it's going to be this much money or, you know, however many thousands of dollars, I wrote the check and we went home and figured out how we were going to get the money. So whatever we had to do, we did it. We always did it and got the money. Because it's always a way to get money. Honestly, like if you want the money, you can get it. And that's what we did. Because I actually just wrote a check. And I was like, well, we got to get the money. the bank and we figured out how to do that. And we always did it. And you will figure it out. But it's, it's priceless. I mean, that's the truth. Like I always tell people, yeah, you can look at this, but how much this costs. But here's what this would have cost me. My medicine would have

cost $1,800 a month out of pocket. For 10 years, 12 months, $120 months, $1,800, like, plus $1,000, like, plus whatever else. You know what I mean? That's just, and the cost now I heard is $6,000 a month. It's not $1,800 anymore. That's crazy. Plus, I would have been dead by now, but, but, That's besides the point. Right. Right. That's the crazy piece of the way we think about this. And the other thing is if you were given a diagnosis of cancer and told that you were only going to live a month and told, but if you do the chemotherapy, you're going to live five years.

And the chemotherapy is going to cost you $70,000. You would find $70,000 so you can live five years. Yeah, absolutely. But again, when we come to natural medicine, sometimes we're like, well, I don't really know. I'm not sure. And it's that implementation and the speed of making that decision and just moving forward and knowing that the universe will provide and that when you're well, that you can not only bring in money, but you can be a happy, healthy, a vibrant person, that's the mindset that heals.

Yeah. But also, when you remove those root causes of the sickness, you're not going to get the other illnesses. So I always thought it was an investment in my health, because I know I watered off how many diseases, processes that was going to come after the MS. Like probably MS was the worst of it. That's how I thought of it. Like there's definitely worse things down the road if I don't take care of these issues. So they had to be taken care of no matter what the cost. Like there was no, and my husband was very supportive of that. I was lucky. Sometimes I know the spouse isn't supportive. Yeah. My husband was totally on board whatever I need to do. So. Yeah. Yeah. And now you're training around

and detoxing people. Yes, yes, all the time. And what's funny is, I don't be remembered, but we talked about this probably a year ago and you're like, you have to stop detoxing people. I was like, oh, I don't know. I don't know if I can do that. You know what I mean?

But now I'm probably three, three, four hundred people. And you know, I love it. And people just changing their life, you know? It's awesome. I love it. Love it so much. Oh, it's one of the most difficult and the most rewarding things that we do.

Because there's a moment that the healing power kicks in and people go, whoa, like, I didn't know my brain could function like this. I didn't know my energy could be like this. And they have this like born again moment where they're reuniting with this younger version of themselves that was healthy. Yeah. There is nothing greater than that.

No, no. That's incredible. And it's what we do. And it's awesome. Yeah. And the other thing I want to point out to your credit is that I think one of the things that is so awesome is when a doctor can go through a healing crisis. Talk about it.

So thank you for coming. on this platform and talking about it, and then turning around and helping everybody else with solve the problem that they had just been through. If everybody showed up in the world like that, our world would be a better place because of it. So I just am so grateful. That's why I was like, Susan, we're going to get you to this place where you can turn around and teach others because others will really resonate with you because you've been

through the journey. Right. And people do say that because I'll look them dead in the eye and tell them, like, this is what's going to happen. You know what I mean? I'm like all full of energy. Like, you know what I mean? So it's like there's not, you know, it is because I've been through it.

Like so that's why I say like from the beginning I knew what I had to do. So it was never a choice. I didn't make that choice. I feel like it was put on me that I had to do that to do it and help people. And that was my purpose here on earth. So amazing. Amazing. I'm just grateful.

Thankful for you and Dr. Pompa and from learning from him because I watched him do it. So I started watching him a month before I got diagnosed. And I was like, well, if he can do it, I can do it. You know? And that's what gave me the belief that I could do because he did it. Yeah. That's all I knew. Like I didn't know anything else. You know what I mean? But it's like those little things that change a person's life. And that's exactly what happened. So I'm so thankful and grateful. Yeah. Incredible. Well, I also think that when you're in a very low place, you want to hold on to somebody, something, a belief that's going to pull you out.

And somebody that's gone through the process and is on the other end is the most encouraging and supportive person you can hold on to. So that's incredible. So let's finish up with this idea. I always love to know if you had one message for the world that you could get into everybody's brain. You could scream it from the highest mountain top. What would that one message be? Did they have to believe? And the body is amazing.

I mean, I'm going to make it longer than just one word or message. You can. Of course. Go for it. It's amazing. And it's a miracle. You know what I mean? Like God made exactly the way it need to be made.

And nothing outside is going to heal it. you have to heal it from the inside to get the permanent healing. But you have to believe that you can do it and can be done. And anything can be done if you believe that can be done. So that's what, that's the one thing if I wanted to say, because I say that all the time to people. I'm like, you just have to believe it. Yeah.

I am so 100% in alignment with you on that. And we have so much disbelief in the power of our bodies because we've been trained to disbelieve it. Now in this pandemic time, We, all those people who have no faith in their body are in a real high stress spot. Right. But those of us who are feel so certain, we understand the way the body works. We have, we have that 100% belief that fear goes away because you know you're living in a miracle.

Exactly. And so there's never a fearful moment during this whole pandemic ever. For me, and I'm sure for you too. Like I was ever worried? No. Ever. No. And that's an amazing place to be because people are truly scared, you know, and you feel

bad and you want to help them but it's like it's amazing when you get it and you can live free of that it's total freedom to me that's you know we talk about medical freedom well medical freedom really starts with freedom in your mind to know that you're living in a powerful miraculous self-healing body so yeah amazing well it it has been an honor for me to be on the journey with you like i just i'm so grateful for you i can never tell you enough oh no it's it's it's it's It was, you know, I just, when I heard your story when we first met, and then, you know, I usually move pretty quickly after I've met somebody. I move into the, what's the potential of that person going to look like.

And knowing that there'll be bumps along the way, but then I hold that vision of what that potential of that person's going to look like. And I'm looking at you now and I'm like, there she is. That was, that was. But thank you. That is the vision. Yeah. Amazing.

Thank you for sharing it with our resetters. These interviews are really powerful for people to see because that's the main thing we want to do is give hope and power back to people. Yeah, especially in all the immunity. There's very little hope in that realm. You're amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

Yeah, and resettters, if you have questions at all for Susan, I'm sure we can link. Do you have a website where they can find you? Yeah, it's just my name. Dr. Susan and I, dot com. Great. Okay.

Awesome. And so we'll link your website in our notes. If you have questions for her, you can hunt her down and ask her. And again, thank you so much. So grateful for you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Nothing that I love to talk about more than wine.

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what she is. Right. Well, and just the power of belief that she has, the power of belief that she had in us, like going through the process and just never doubting for a second that we didn't have her back or, you know, we weren't on top of it. That's priceless for us when we're taking somebody through it is just having that ultimate belief that we are here to help you. So one thing I remember about her when I first met her is that we had a discussion about, you know, the price and she was like, you could tell, you can hear it now in her journey. It was like she had already spent so much on her health care. And it was like, okay, here I go.

This is going to be another expense that I wasn't really expecting and I didn't really want to do. And I remember looking at her and saying that my pledge to you, is we're going to get you so well that you're going to make double the income that you have ever made. But if you stay in a state of disease or where you're not doing well, your income level can never change. So I promise you that we are going to get you to that place where the amount of money you spent on your health care is going to seem insignificant because your health is so great. Yeah. And she did. She did. She turned around and did it the next day. Yeah. Amazing. Which was,

I was waiting for her to say this at the end. Otherwise, I was going to have to ask it because she went to, I mean, think about it. She's married with kids. They both just lost their job. Now she's going to chiropractic school, which we both know how expensive that is. Yep. And now you're hit with a massive diagnosis. Like I can't think of like a more probably financially hard position to be in.

Yep. But I mean, just again, it goes back to her belief. She never believed or doubted for a second that she wasn't. going to find the means in order to get through this. Yeah. And that her body, I mean, that's the other thing is knowing that her body heals. There was no doubt that this thing couldn't heal. Right. It was like, I'll find the money and I know the body heals. And those are two barriers I see really hit people where they can't get over that hurdle because they, A, don't have the faith that their body can heal. And if they are going to have to go out of their financial comfort zone,

they also don't have the faith that they're going to make more money back, especially if they're living in a healthy body. Right, right. I loved what she said. Oh, you can always find money when you want to find money. That's so true, though. It's so true. If you think about every moment in your life that you've been up against a wall with money, if you keep searching, if you keep believing, then money does appear. Well, it just goes back to having that bigger why. If you don't have something driving you to go search for that money, if that Y is not strong enough, then of course there's going to be 10,000 excuses that pop up on why you can't get that money or why your body can't heal.

Yeah, which is interesting with her, like when they first told her to go vegan and eat fish and she hated fish, but she did it anyways, which I think it's like, that's also like when you really want to heal and you've found an expert that can help you, it's like, okay, let's do that thing, even though it may be uncomfortable, even though I don't like it, but this is the part of hiring an expert is that you are acknowledging that they're going to lead you to a place of health. And so I'm going to do whatever the expert says to do. Right. And if you stray from that, then your healing result may be less.

Right. Well, and I think the problem you and I have seen multiple times with people is that they want those results and so they start on this journey and then they come up against a barrier so they don't want to give up their crackers or their wine or their soda and so they don't because we can't handle them and make them do that and then they don't see the results that they want and so it comes back to well this isn't working right it's like you got to be willing to go all in if you want it bad enough you got to be willing to go all in yeah just think we see a lot of people that aren't really willing to go all the way in with certain parts of their health.

They're all, they, people get where they're all in for the result. Right. They, but they don't realize that being all in for the result doesn't, that in order to get that result, you have to be all in for the journey. Yes. Yes. I need to be on a t-shirt or sign or sign. It does.

Because that's the, you and I have had this conversation so many times. We see miracle after miracle after miracle in our office. is one consistent mindset and it's the all in person. And the minute that somebody says, well, I'll take that that you're offering, but not the other thing or my friend is doing this. So I'm not going to start doing that. It's that ADD brain that really struggles to heal. Yep. What do you think of her detox experience? Because I remember that too. I remember it too. But, you know, I remember it being rough, but what I loved, again, just what I loved about her was that there was never a blame. It was there was never an anger at us.

I mean, there were hard times. But, again, she never didn't do what we asked her to do. Yeah. And I think that in turn is probably part of the mindset skills that she acquired leading up to us about just the tenacity to get through it and the mindset of believing that our body is powerful enough. think people don't realize how big that mindset part is, especially when you're detoxing metals and you're getting like those metals are coming out of your liver. And so here comes anger. And then they're coming out of the kidneys and here comes anxiety and you like mesh that all on us. And they don't, you know, they don't have the mindset tools to be able to handle that.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think that was what I remember because when she came to me, she had already done so much work. And I was like, wow, yeah, you've already checked some of the boxes. And then when she told me, she had tried to do heavy metal detoxing on her own, and she was so clear, she was like, I just don't think I'm doing it right. Now, she's a, she's a chiropractor. Like, she knows, she's like, I feel like I'm not doing it right. So we kind of deconstructed what she was doing. And I'm like, yeah, you're not. So we, but she wasn't it. She, I remember fatigue was her biggest issue at that point. And that many of the MS symptoms had gone away. But now what was happening is we put her into this detox and some of the MS symptoms came back up. And I'm really glad you asked her the question about the family because I remember that

moment and she had made a comment that her husband was very concerned. And all I could think was we just need to slow down the detox. We need to open the pathways up. Like I just came back to the rules of detox that really worked. And that sure enough got her through it. Right. Right. But also how crazy was it that the guy that ran the hair analysis on her and told her she didn't have heavy metals yet she's got amalgam fillings in the mouth. This is where I go back to how. And we've seen her metal tests. They were really, really high. They were super high. I think that's a good point because a lot of people get the wrong metal test and they don't realize that it's just, it's not as accurate as like a provoked test like we do that pulls those metals out. Right. So incredible. Well, I'm really excited.

we got to share her story because I didn't, I don't know if I, maybe I had remembered this, but she was supposed to be dead this year. Like, I did not remember that. That's what, holy cow. It's like, what a story. What a story. It's like the year I was supposed to be dead, I'm actually thriving. Like, she needs to write a book.

I was going to say she needs to write a book. Yeah. What I did the year I was supposed to be dead and found myself thriving is like, in quarantine. In quarantine. I love it. I love it. Yes. Well, that was awesome. And, you know, resetters, if you really resonated with that, you want to know about our heavy metal detox, please reach out. We call it the toxin reset. And we are on a mission to pull these toxins out of people so that they can be thriving like Susan is. So that was awesome. Hope you guys enjoyed it as much as we did. seven fast types out you download carp manager where your food is all grafted out that's what it's all about that's what resetting is all