Live Like a Girl with Dr. Mindy Pelz - The Longevity Lifestyle: Ancient Secrets & Modern Insights with Dr. Josh Axe

Episode Date: November 3, 2025

What if true longevity isn't found in quick fixes, but in the world you create around your body and mind? In this powerful episode, Dr. Mindy is joined by functional health pioneer Dr. Josh Axe for a deep dive into the real foundations of aging, vitality, and lasting wellness. Dr. Axe shares his inspiring story of recovery from a near-fatal spinal infection and how it reshaped his understanding of healing. Together, they explore how your everyday choices, mindset, environment, and ancient wisdom influence your health, far beyond genetics. To view full show notes, more information on our guests, resources mentioned in the episode, discount codes, transcripts, and more, visit https://drmindypelz.com/ep312 Dr. Josh Axe, DC, DNM, CNS, is a doctor of chiropractic, certified doctor of natural medicine, clinical nutritionist, leadership expert and highly successful entrepreneur, with a passion to help people eat healthy and live a healthy lifestyle. He earned his doctorate from Palmer College and his Master of Science in Organizational Leadership from Johns Hopkins University. Dr. Axe is the cofounder and CVO of Ancient Nutrition, founder of DrAxe.com, and founder of The Health Institute. His businesses have ranked on the Inc. 500 fastest growing companies. He is the bestselling author of Think This Not That, Eat Dirt, Keto Diet, Ancient Remedies, and The Biblio Diet. He regularly teaches lectures and trains entrepreneurs on leadership, mindset, and self- development. Josh is married to his wife, Chelsea, and they have two daughters. They live between Nashville, TN and Dorado, PR and enjoy cooking, staying active swimming and cycling, and prioritize time for their faith and family. Check out our fasting membership at https://esetacademy.drmindypelz.com. Please note our medical disclaimer.

On this episode of the Resetter podcast, I am bringing you Josh Axe. Now, this is a really phenomenal conversation on longevity. And Dr. Axe, if you're not familiar with who he is, he has been teaching health on social media before any of us were there. Before any doctor was there, you'll hear me talk to him today. I was like, you're the OG of giving solid health advice. on social media. And he hasn't stopped. And what I wanted to do with him in this conversation,

because of his vast knowledge on nutrition, because he and I align on the idea that the body is always doing the right thing at the right time, I wanted to pick his brain on what we know through a science lens about the greatest tools that we have to keep, our brains and our bodies vibrant as we age. And so we start off the conversation talking about, like, what is longevity and how does that compare to anti-aging? And then we went into the biohacking

movement, which Josh and I also align on, that you can't hack into an intricate ecosystem. And this part of the conversation was so fascinating to me because what we really geeked out on is, this beautiful symbiotic relationship between the human body and nature. And Josh brought so much current science into this conversation about what nature does for our aging bodies. You definitely don't want to miss that piece. Then we morphed into a really interesting place. And I'm going to, I don't think we're editing this out.

So I'm going to keep it in here because we had a moment of discussing. the political nature of health at this particular time, especially here in America. And what is the biggest concern for the human body? And you'll hear both of our opinions. We didn't necessarily agree on this one. And I'm leaving it there as just a way for us to start to critically think about the health information that is being dished out to us in this new political era that we're sitting in. So I left it there for you.

And then we really close off the conversation with some amazing nutrition and solid, solid information on nutrition. This is Josh's specialty. And he really dove into those to specific foods. So those of you that really want to look deeper into incorporating foods into your life that will help support your aging body, you want to make sure you stick through to the back end of this conversation. But this was really like one of those conversations that if I, Josh and I were having dinner together, this is what we'd be talking about. So I hope you enjoyed as much as he and I both loved having it.

And as always, with all my podcasts, I really hope that this information empowers you and helps you find the rhythm that is right for you with your health and the miraculous body you get to live in. So Dr. Josh Axe, enjoy. Welcome to the Resetter podcast. This podcast is all about empowering you to believe in yourself again. If you have a passion for learning, if you're looking to be in control of your health and take your power back, this is the podcast. podcast for you.

Josh, Dr. Josh Axe, I have to start off by telling you something that I have not ever told you. And that's that I'm sitting here in my social media platform largely because of you. And the reason is I watched you in those early days when you were on Pinterest and you were giving away amazing protocols to everybody. And I literally had patients coming in. into my office with like printed out like your protocols off Pinterest asking me what I thought of them and my I'm going to be really transparent my my brain was like who is this guy and like why is he

giving away all this free information and then I started watching you and watched what you did and how you really changed I read this is the credit I really want to give you is that you're the OG of bringing health information to social media, and you did it in such a beautiful way of just a desire to help people with the knowledge that you had. And you were one of the few people that I looked at and thought, well, gosh, if you can do it, I could do it. And so you inspired me to even start. So I just want to say thank you for that. Well, that's so honoring, encouraging. Thanks so much. So here's a really fun topic that I'm excited that we're going into this topic of longevity. and what I will tell you is that I sat with the word anti-aging for a really long time,

and I thought, why do we hate aging so much that we had to put the word anti in front of it? And then we had to create a whole industry around people who are going to make you fear aging and stop aging, yet every day, every second we are aging. So I want to start off with, can you help us understand the difference between aging and longevity? And what is actually happening to us? This is a deeper question on a cellular level as our body starts to move into these older states. Yeah, yeah. Well, I love the question.

Let me start off with this. You were talking about social media. I did a social media post here on Instagram not too long ago. and I said, here are the top foods to eat to live to 120. And you know the most common question, the response I got was, I don't want to live to be 120. Yes. And it caught me a little bit off guard, but then I sat there and understood it because, like,

I had a grandmother who was going through Alzheimer's and seeing how, you know, seeing what that was like. And then so many people become feeble or on multiple medications and are so sick and suffering when they get to a certain point in life and thinking, well, if, If aging is about suffering and getting older is about suffering, that doesn't sound like something I want to be sold or something I want. Versus, you know, I was really blessed to go on a trip to Asia here. This was quite a few years ago.

But I was so blown away by, you know, one of the things they would do is they would go out in the streets. They would typically take two hours for lunch. And where I was in China, they would go out and they would do Tai Chi in the afternoons right around lunch. And there were a number of people. over 100 years old. I said, how old is that woman? How old is that man? 104, 106? And I'm like, and they're still being this active. And that was really, really incredible. And so, so, you know, and then here's another thing.

And I'll kind of touch on this here real quick, and then I'll get into this longevity idea. But, you know, I had a, I had a major health issue about three years ago where I almost died. And it really caused me to spend the last three to four years focusing almost solely on longevity. and healing. And when you look at the medical literature today, the number keeps going up. It was there are nine hallmarks of aging, then 12, then someone's like 15. But, you know, there are many hallmarks of aging in functional or Western medicine today. But let me hit on Eastern medicine first before I go back when it ties into longevity. When you look at Chinese medicine, longevity is tied to what they call the three treasures. And they call that Shen, Chi, and Jing.

Okay, Shen is tied to your spiritual health. Chi is tied to your cellular health, your ATP. They would call it breath. And then Jing is tied to, they would tie it to your DNA, your actual physicality, your physical body. And it's really tied to sperm, to the egg, to your bone marrow, your stem cells, or a prime example of what they would call that. And then there's this saying in Chinese medicine, to prolong life, protect the three treasures. Okay. And so they believe really building health sort of this in terms of the mental spiritual side,

the physical side and the physical side are the keys to longevity. And one of the things that I really noticed in my practice over the years is that, you know, a lot of people are sick because they have childhood trauma. They have a lot of negative thinking. They might be living with unforgiveness or fear or worry. And these actually affect our organ systems and make them. sick. And then also there's an element of like we talked about sort of a mind-body connection. And then, of course, eating a poor diet, that ages us as well. And then when we look at the nine hallmarks of aging, or let me just on some of the hallmarks, because there's just a lot to get through. But, you know, I think that some of the big ones for me is, one is in balancing your

circadian rhythms, when we're not living in tune with nature, that ages us. And that really sort of kicks off a neuroendocrine response where cortisol gets too high or at least it's fluctuating incorrectly into a which is which is affecting melatonin and and you know cortisol is kind of this master hormone where cortisol gets high well now insulin gets high well insulin's high now there's an estrogen issue and then that can lead to thyroid hormone issues later on and a number and you know this as well as anybody and teach on this but i think that circadian rhythms being off that is a major hallmark of aging. Another one would be microbiome dyspiosis. Your gut gets off. That's causing an aging issue. And what's connected to the gut, I'm going to hit on just two others because I know we can

dive into this stuff as we go on. But sort of our immune system. And so we see this, these senescent cells building up. But one of the biggest signs of us aging is something called immunosiniscence, where we have too many of these senescent cells, which are zombie cells, which are very very, very small. And so, very inflammatory if they're left in the body. They're kind of dead cells is why they're called that. And then the last one would be, I'll hit on here quickly, is stem cell exhaustion. We don't have stem cells enough to regenerate and heal. And stem cells are those tissues that if you have an area of injury or you're aging, you know, let's say you get a sunburn or anything happens that's sort of negative to where there's destruction of cells in your body.

stem cells are created to help regenerate, heal, and repair the body. And when those stem cells get exhausted in your body and you don't have enough of them, you don't heal as well. And that's something people may notice if they're aging too quickly or if they have an injury, it doesn't heal as well. Of course, this always happens as we age to a degree, but sometimes more quicker, more quickly than it should happen. And so those are some of those big signs of aging.

But again, there's about 9 to 15 hallmarks in Western medicine. There's three hallmarks of aging. when it comes to ancient medicine, like in Japan and Asia. But those are some things people need to be aware of when it comes to longevity and aging. So are you saying that if we know that these markers are happening, if we already know the stem cell exhaustion and, you know, that autophagy may be not as efficiently working, like, then there, this is the way I think about aging after studying it for so long is like it's almost like we need a new playbook.

Like if you've been doing your life this way from zero to 40, I think at 40 is the moment which somebody needs to swap out the lifestyle playbook. Would you agree? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. Now, I think we could also argue it could actually be done even earlier. Oh, maybe, yeah. But to your point, yes, I do think that's when people are most conscious. And when you get injured at Ford and beyond or you have certain things happen, your body is absolutely not as resilient. it. So something happens there. And I like your, you know, your example of it being a playbook

because there are so many things we can do in terms of what the ideal foods are, what the ideal herbs are, what the ideal advanced therapies are, what the ideal habits are that can allow us to age more slowly. It's not anti-aging. It's really aging. Here's the reality. I think we're all sort of hardwired to live around 120 years. I think there's a scientific journal that that recently came out and kind of threw that number out there as well. Based on, you know, we've, we had somebody, I think passed away last year that was 117. There is one person, and I don't know how accurate their, their tracking of her age was. They said it was 122.

That's the longest I've ever heard that was actually looked at and had it written down. But I think we're hardwired for that age. You know, let's say the average American dies at somewhere on 78. You know, it's somewhere in that ballpark. A lot of people are doing, think about that, if you're a hardwired to age, to be to live to 120 we're doing 42 years of damage to ourselves and our body and and so and it's because we're not not to your point following the the right playbook so what's interesting though is I agree with you like you know you should we should be thinking about aging the day we're born right there should be sort of a

a a plan for avoiding you know the the harms of what aging brings avoiding chronic disease like you know I think you and I both align like that should be hardwired into a human from the day that they're born. But we live in a culture that doesn't think that way. And we live in a culture that looks at anti-aging or longevity as, oh, you don't have any wrinkles, you don't have any gray hair. And so the way we measure aging is completely off. And one of the things I want to go back to that I'm so happy you brought up is the way you explained how Chinese medicine looks at this. Because I have a really good friend who spent last winter skiing in Japan. And she would send me pictures all the time. She's like, Mindy, look at how many seniors are out walking. Look at how many seniors are being

like lifted up by the culture. And they're so honored in that Japanese culture of like you are wisdom now, and we don't have that in our culture. In fact, people are so scared of aging that they're, like, injecting themselves with poison so that you won't see that I'm aging. So is there, is in the longevity conversation also needs to be a conversation about how do we start to culturally help aging people so that they don't feel like they're going to become invisible? I love that, I love that you brought this up, Dr. Mindy, because this is something I've talked about a couple times is that part of it is like what most people move towards what culture glorifies. And so, you know, if it's for women, let's just give an example, if it's motherhood,

well, then they go after that. If it's being a big, a CEO boss, it's that. If it's looking very, very young, it's that. But when you look at Asian culture, wisdom is one of those key words that that they really honor and look at. And they think as you get older, that comes with more wisdom. more life experience. And so, you know, and there's many Asian quotes around sort of the graying hair, your hair going gray, and that being a sign of wisdom and honoring people that are,

that are getting more wrinkles and their hair is turning a different color and, and those sort of things. So I think if in the United States or in the Western world, if we would look at people that were getting older and we would say, that's wisdom right there. I want to learn from that person. I want to be mentored. I want to be disciple. I want to, you know, I want to honor them. Then I think more, you know, we'd have a lot less Botox. There would be a lot less of everyone feeling like I need to, you know, I need to look 20 years younger than I am. And so, so yeah, I think that's a, great point. It's, you know, I walked around as I was researching age like a girl. I walked around. for years asking people, what does wisdom look like? Like how do you know you're in the presence of

wisdom? If everybody's freezing their face, how would you know? Like, I can go to my Instagram and see a picture of like a very appally Aboriginal woman from the outback. And I look at every wrinkle and I'm like, wow, that's a story to tell. Wow, if those wrinkles could talk. I look at gray hair as like wisdom strands. Like, oh my God, you earn that gray hair. And I think that, We don't have that here in our culture. But on the opposite side, and this is another thing that you and I have both been immersed in, is the biohacking world. And we now have not only are we not honoring aging because we don't want you to, we don't want to look like we're aging. We're now offering you a whole world of fast hacks to slow the aging process down.

And so I can tell you through the feet. email lens, that becomes another list of have-toes. So now I got to jump in cold water. I got to get red light. I got to start doing three-day water fast. I got to go get my NAD. Like, is that what longevity is supposed to look like? No, you know, I definitely not. Now, it's not to say that, you know, doing some of these advanced therapies or, you know, biohacks aren't beneficial for some people. But here's what biohacks are. First of all, I hate the word hack. I just got to throw it out there. Yeah, me too.

I hate it because it comes from a mentality that the body is a piece of machinery. It's not. You know, like we are, I mean, the human body is this, to me, this divine amazing. Like, it's amazing. It's absolutely incredible. So looking at the body would just sort of awe and wonder in its biology rather than it being a machine. I think that's one perspective that needs to be shift for people in thinking about the body. Yeah.

But, you know, I'm actually writing a book on longevity. You won't be out for a full year. So I got a little waves before it's out. But one of the things I'm getting into in the book is really sort of, I'm trying to think the word will use in there. But it's really living in tune with nature. I mean, you know what's a lot better than red light therapy? Even though I love red light therapy is the sun. And the sun not only has red light, it has blue light, which has major anti-inflammatory properties.

It's got green light. It's got violet light. It's got all these different color lights. Different lights have different benefits on the body. So laying out in the sun, not getting burnt, okay? Do not get burnt. It's terrible for aging. But getting sunshine on your skin directly is better than red light therapy.

It has tremendous benefits, not only vitamin D, but so much even beyond that. And then, you know, I think about, you know, I also like hyperbaric oxygen therapy. I think it's a great therapy. But it also is great as doing box breathing or chigong, which is done throughout. Asia, doing things to help oxygenate your body and cells. Sound? I mean, just sitting there listening to the sound of waves crash or crickets in the forest or just that stillness when you're walking into nature, most of those sound waves are theta sounds. Now, what's interesting is at dawn and dust, they're a little bit different. It sort of changes versus like an intense storm as more

alpha waves. There's some deep sleep that you have of the sound of like cicadas at night. but these sort of nature therapy of sounds is one of the fastest ways to help regulate our sympathetic and parasympathetic nerve system. That's an amazing therapy. My point is this, is that biohacking is a, it really should be supplemental. This other stuff is food. It's like you can take supplements. We love those.

Those are great. But your diet is way more important than any supplement. And, you know, there is a, there is an, the census came out in Japan, like, I think it was like eight weeks ago. They have 99,500. So almost 100,000 centurians in Japan. This small, this island of Japan, a hundred thousand people over a hundred years old. And the biggest thing that I've noticed is I've studied Japanese culture and maybe you, you

could share this as well, because I know you wrote an amazing book on longevity, which you're on my podcast about two, age like a girl. which I'm excited to get into there. But, you know, it's really just their rhythms of life. Yes. They're outside a lot. They're moving a lot. They're not rushing.

You know, there's an ancient Asian quote and it says, wisdom. No, it's patience is the greatest companion of wisdom. So it's like, hey, do you want to know if somebody's wise or not, how patient are they? That's sort of what they call one of the cardinal signs of wisdom in Asia. So anyways, they're there to your point. I think that biohacking can be great, can be beneficial, especially if it's the winter and it's really not sunny, you can use some red light therapy, but it doesn't make up for the real thing. I am so happy. I hope you bring back nature. In that book, please bring back nature as the greatest,

you know, healer. So I have an experience with this that just has rocked me after the fires in L.A. I was writing age like a girl, and I just needed somewhere where I could just get out of the mayhem of everything and finish the book. And so I landed here in Santa Cruz. And when I got here, I had multiple people tell me, Mindy, the nature here is very healing. Let nature heal you. Go out, see the ocean, get in the forest. So I did. Every single day, I would go and look at the ocean, and every single day I'd go in the forest. I eventually started surfing. I took up surfing too months ago. Wow. Yeah, at 56 years old. And I just plop my board with a friend in the water. And now I go out and surf every morning and I go hike every afternoon. And I have, like you, I have done every

supplement. I have done every biohack. I have done everything. I have had every type of therapy on the planet. And nothing. Nothing has changed and rewired my brain by committing to a daily dose. of water and forest every single day. I am in awe. Like, I'm literally watching my brain rewire to, like, all the traumas that have ever gone in my life are just, like, going away, and this happy, resilient brain is emerging. It's amazing. You know, one interesting thing about the ocean, because I know that's where, you're on the

coast there, there are these organisms in the ocean called bacteriophages. And you're probably familiar with phage therapy. Of course, yeah. in certain areas of Asia, rather than doing antibiotics. But the ocean is the greatest, it's the most bacteriophage dense substance on the planet. And so, you know, you have all these sort of natural antibiotics you're exposing yourself. That's why it's so great. People will say, I want the ocean, I noticed my skin was really healthy.

My sinuses were more clear. I mean, a little bit of that is the salt and what salt does for moving lung chi and moving the body. But part of it is these phages and these microorganisms in the ocean. They have anti-pathogenic effects, cleansing effects. And so it's the, I mean, the ocean is just, you know, incredibly healing. Yeah. Even I started to look into the makeup of saltwater. And salt water is the same mineral makeup as our blood.

Oh, wow. Wow. So it's crazy. Like when you stop and you look at how nature heals, like we've been given the greatest medicine cabinet. We just have to get out of our homes to go do that. So I did not know that about. phages. And, you know, I'm sure, just to fill the audience in, phages were quite in vogue before antibiotics came in, and they were actually a more effective antibiotic. If we had stuck really studying

phages, we would be in a really different place than we are with all the antibiotic use. So I didn't know that. It was really interesting. So tell me, like, as we look at these hallmarks, If I'm 45, 55 years old and I want to slow the aging process down and have more functionality as I age, do we have like a toolbox of best practices? Like you absolutely need to make sure that you are doing these things. I think we definitely have put nature in the toolbox. But what else would go in that toolbox? Well, let's talk about diet and then maybe we can talk about supplementation.

And then there's even movement. you know, would be great to discuss as well. You know, I think dietarily, you know, you want to do food. So this gets into, I'll talk about Chinese medicine here again and then correlate it to Western. They have this thing we call Chi Yan and Yang, okay? He is really connected to our mitochondria. That would be ATP production. So I remember when I first heard some of these words, I'm like, that sounds out there.

What is yen and yang? And she, they're just sort of these ancient medical words in Asia. and she is really, again, it's your cellular energy. That's really what it is. And boosting cellular energy is incredibly important. It's also incredibly important to build the yen. Now, this is really important for women's hormonal health. This is really tied to, like, when a woman goes through menopause, you have the yin and yang,

and this is really tied to progester and estrogen. Yin is responsible for cooling the body and moistening the body. And this is why women get hot flashes. In Chinese medicine, they'll say you have a kidney yang or adrenal yang deficiency, I'm sorry, Yin deficiency, because when estrogen and progesterone get too low, that's really part of what causes the body to not be able to moisten and cool itself, hence hot flashes and some of the other symptoms. So there are food in Chinese medicine, for instance, that are yin building foods that bring

moisture and coolness. Yams and purple sweet potatoes are one great example of that. There's also certain seeds like sesame and pumpkin. There's a lot of these natural progesterone boosters. Flax seeds are gray. Of course, that's more estrogen. Those are all yin. Those are all yin producing.

A flax is very yin. Now pumpkin seeds, because the zinc content, probably leans more yang and so do like pistachios and some of the others. But you want to actually build both. But those are good. And then, of course, there's the herbs. Black cohosh is very yin building where wild yam is more of that progesterone. supportive. But my point there is we want to support chi. We want to support, and we also want to support getting the body enough nutrients to function properly and also eating certain foods that

support the detoxification process. So like part of me, to simplify it, longevity is about addressing toxicity, deficiency, and having enough energy to support both the detoxification and the rebuilding process of the cells. So some of the best foods for those categorically is we talk about cellular energy. One surprising one for a lot of people is pomegranates. You know, pomegranates are a food incredibly high in allegeic acid. And now, and I do want to say this. So allegic acid is the number one thing that can be converted into something called urolithin A. There's actually multiple urolithens. There's urolithin B, C, D, and E as well. But these are compounds that have been tied to sort of mitochondrial recycling and creating new mitochondria for the cells. So that is really powerful. And there are

other foods that contain allegeic acid. Really raspberries, walnuts and pecans are probably the next highest in certain types of tea, herbal tea. But that's a really great food for that. And then a lot of mushrooms would fall into that category as well of cellular energy. And then just in addition, foods that are going to move the blood like beats, like boosting nitric oxide, that's also very good for moving cellular energy there as well. And then foods that are going to support kind of rebuilding the body, I think meats, but specifically organ meats are at the very top of the list. I mean, I think that's something we just really, really missed out on what our anti-an ancestors did in getting organ meats. In fact, if somebody would have gone into like an ancient apothecary,

which is a pharmacy, you would have found herbs, spices, mushrooms, and organs and glands. I mean, that's kind of what you found in there. But I think getting more meat, more protein, that's more anabolic in nature, supporting Yang. I think you want to get a lot of good organic meat and then a lot of fruits and vegetables. And then there are other things like some healthy fats, olive oil is going to be very high on that list. That's going to be great as well. And I think, I think, you know, it's interesting. I think almost everyone can agree, not everyone, almost everyone, that olive oil is like the perfect

oil. Oh, yeah. Oil, you know. Just put it on everything. I drizzle it on every meal. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, do what the people do.

They're living a long time. It's what they're using in Asia. You know, probably secondary, they'll probably use sesame oil. But they do use a lot, a lot of olive oil. And so I think longevity, food-wise, focused on the really nutrient-dense foods, the pomp. of granites and the berries are probably at the top of the list. Yeah. Focus on the vegetables, the green leafies, and the cruciferous.

Now, if you're eating vegetables, I actually believe most of the time they should be steamed or cooked, especially cruciferous. I mean, that's really the big category. I don't, part of it is due to the goitrogens and just the difficult of digestibility of cruciferous that are not cooked. But I would say those are the other category. And then the wild organic meat, the wild caught salmon, the grass-fed beef. and then again, you got some of those fats.

You've got to get in there. But to me, those are probably the greatest longevity foods out there. Yeah, it's so, and they're not, it's not complicated. This is what I keep saying to people. It's like we've, we've complicated health. And when you go back and look at some of these ancient strategies, it's not complicated. One question I have on that, do you care what kind of farm it comes from? So if I decide I'm going to start to eat more beets or I'm going to get more pomegranates

and I'm not paying attention if it's organic, non-organic, if it came from a regenerative, like, do these things actually matter for the nutrient quality? It does, but let me also throw out there. There is a hierarchy, and I also want to also be realistic with everyone's schedule. Because to your point, one of the things I've learned over the years is being a practitioner, as I know you've learned. It's like, I want to give somebody as much as they can handle, but I don't want to give them so many things that it's like, they just break down under the load of it's like, get rid of every last,

thing, and you could only eat these three things from this, you know, farm and, you know, that's regenerative organic. So, so here's what I would say. The most important foods for you to buy organic are meat and dairy. It's the most important. And the, and also, and dairy is a whole other topic. But when it comes to meat and dairy, they are, if you have a cow and it's eating foods that are low to a genetically modified feed and glyphosate, and it's being injected with steroids and growth hormones, and it's not fed grass. I mean, all those things, you're going to have meat that's sick, okay? It's going to be higher in omega-6s. There's all kinds of issues there. So meat and dairy, if you're going to invest in something

organic and from a good farm, that's number one. After that, it's really the things that are more related to the dirty dozen. It's things that you can't take the peel off. For instance, eating lettuce organically is more important than eating a pomegranate organically. It's more important than eating a pomegranate organically because you're not eating the peel of the pomegranate. Like the glyphosate isn't typically going to get all the way to the seeds versus it will stay on the outer part of the skin. So it's really not as much of an issue there. By the way, there was a really good study that was done twice.

And they found that when you're washing fruits and vegetables, if you wash them for one minute with baking soda, it got rid of over 90% of the pesticides. One study said 99%. The other one said 90. I want to say 7%. But so just one quick easy hack at home. Baking soda's cheap. Throw it in there.

Wash your fruits. You know, keep it in there for 30 seconds to a minute. And you're going to get rid of a lot of pesticides that way. It's amazing. Now, there are, you know, when you can buy locally or regionally, the foods are typically more fresh. And the longer something gets to the point where it's ripe, if it's ripened on the vine, rather than ripened on a truck or in a store, it's going to be more nutrient dense.

That's why, and Mindy, you might have seen there's, there's a couple studies on showing that frozen berries are more nutrient dense than buying fresh berries. I've heard that. And fish, too, better omit, because they freeze it on the boat. That's right. So they're immediately freezing it, sort of maintaining its nutritional value versus letting it. Because a lot of fruit, you know, let's say, I'm here in Tennessee, we get fruit at some stores from California. Well, by the time it gets here and you eat it, sometimes it's two weeks later. I'm not going to get into mold issue.

I mean, how many of us have botten raspberries or blackberries? Oh, they always go molding. And they're molded. Part of that is just the time and then the acidity. That's why if you actually put baking, wash those in baking soda, they'll last a lot longer, too. Your berries won't mold as quickly. Amazing. But, yeah.

So I would say those are some things to consider when it comes to, like, the important. But there's no doubt, things that are riper, things that are more local, things that are free of, you know, chemicals are better for us. And of course, again, the more local and fresh it is, typically the more nutrients. And the soil is important, right? I mean, you've quoted the studies. One study found that quite a few of produce today is approximately as 40% less nutrients. I mean, that's a lot. It's crazy. Yeah.

No, I've heard like you have to eat like 10 heads of broccoli, you know, compared to your grandma that had a cup of broccoli, you know, centuries or years ago, decades ago. It's really the nutrient quality. And they've even come up with, where they're trying to come up with a scanner that would scan over your meal and it would actually tell you the nutrient amounts in there. Oh, wow. It hasn't come to market yet, but we've been following the development of that. That's amazing. That's helpful. Yeah. Remember, there is a scanner they can do on humans looking at some of the antioxidant content your skin. So it makes sense that they could do that with fruits and vegetables. I love that. That'll be amazing.

Talk to me a little bit about toxins because I think that, I mean, you and I have both studied under Dr. Daniel Pompah. We've been immersed in detoxing for a very long time. And I think we don't think about toxins until we're sick or we're aging. So what toxins do we need to think about and what are the best practices for getting them out of us? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And let me say this about toxicity. One, toxicity is incredibly important. I do want to mention, though, I think for some people, you know, let me just, this is more philosophically. I see a lot of people that have a toxicity or an infection issue, and they just focus on killing the infection or getting rid of the metal via taking something like a binder. I think the first thing people should focus on when it comes to detoxifying is strengthening their own body and internal system, and your body will heal and detoxify itself.

So that's just one thing I do want to mention philosophically if you are looking to detoxify is that sometimes you can over. I've had people detox because their body couldn't handle, especially their gut or liver pathway. So just think about that. So I would say the biggest sources of toxins are, let me throw out some different categories. I'm just kind of doing this on the fly. Like we have sort of metabolic toxins in a way.

You know, I think about sugar today. Like sugar is a metabolic toxin. And it's overburdening your pancreas and your liver that's causing a major issue, right? So you have these metabolic toxins like sugar. We have environmental toxins, of course. I'm going to throw pesticides on that list, too, along with many others. Of course, again, glyphosate is the most referenced one probably for a lot of people. There are several studies showing that glyphosate really creates major alterations to the gut microbiome of killing good bacteria and altering that gut flora.

I think that's one to be noted. Of course, we have heavy metals. That's another category that people need to be careful of. But I think the biggest exposure. And then one other that people typically don't throw in, but I think, well, let me throw two more in. Infections can act as toxins to the body. I mean, mold is kind of that borderline one, but mold would be a case of that.

But even Lyme and different types of viral infections. And then the last one here, and we don't need to get into this much, but part of it also is like toxic thoughts. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, there are a lot of people, and listen, I understand why, but if you're living with a victim mentality or you're beating up yourself, and you might find this interesting, in Chinese medicine, they would say a big root of autoimmune disease is negative self-talk. If you're verbally abusing yourself or mentally abusing, it's like, why did I do that? I'm no good if you have really low self-esteem and you're always beating yourself up because what's happening in autoimmunity is your body is attacking itself, its own tissues.

And there's also a new type of medicine. People may have hurt. It's not that new, but German new medicine that's also taking a look and glance at this as well. There's another book on this, but the body keeps score. But there's all these ideas around sort of our mental, spiritual, and emotional health, really impacting our physical health. And they even say things like unforgiveness. It's like you think you're hurting the other person, but it's like drinking your own poison. Right. So I do think that's the other toxin to look at. But When it comes to detoxification, what I encourage people to do is, number one, let's strengthen your own system. There are foods that do that.

Yeah, I was going to say, walk us through those foods. Yeah. So I, you know, first and foremost, we talked about this earlier. Like there are foods that are more anabolic, like meat, and there are foods that are more catabolic, which is autophagy, which is that your lysosomes in your cells are really what's responsible for cellular detoxification is those lysosomes. But vegetables are the best for that, okay? They're going to be at the very top, along with certain herbals. So vegetables, cruciferous vegetables, we all know this, but, you know, the liver is very important for hormonal health. It really helps us with balancing out estrogen levels, for instance.

So that's really important in the green leafies, a lot of the chlorophyll, the magnesium, those nutrients, B vitamins are very good for the liver detoxification pathways. But vegetables, number one, my favorite fruit, this might start. surprise some people when it comes to detoxification because it's just so basic are apples. Apples. An apple a day. There's something to that. Yeah. You know, apples are really high in pectin. And pectin is a natural binder. Now, citrus pectin has gotten more popularity due to some studies on, I think, on cancer. And that is beneficial too. But apple pectin is a natural binder in cleanser of the colon. And so really apples are a really, really good. detoxify along with a lot of other fruit. Again, I would say blueberries are great. We talked about

pomegranate's a little bit. Sour soap, this is one that's maybe not too popular, has anti-cancer benefits and cellular cleansing benefits. But I would just say apples would be, so it's vegetables, it's apples, liver. I mean, eating organ meats are taking those. Like Heels Like. Yeah, go ahead. That's right. Yeah, so that's that Chinese. So, so you said it. So like, like supports like is a Chinese, another one, Chinese medicine principle, that if you want to support an organ, eat an organ, or if you want to support an organ, eat a food that looks like that organ. So you want to support your blood, eat beats. You want to support your eyes, eat carrots, that sort of ideal.

But yeah, liver. I mean, and, you know, another, yeah, liver would be the top one for overall detoxification. I mean, there are some other good ones, though, as well. Now, this is a little bit more leaning immune system. thymus gland has been used for many years for boosting the immune system and for immune detoxification and support. But I would say liver, fruits and vegetables, you know what's interesting about that. If you've heard of, I know you, of course you've heard of it, but your audience of Gershon therapy. You know, Max Gershian, his original protocol was basically vegetable juices, fruit, specifically

apples, and raw beef liver. In the same drink? Or did he do them separate? Well, it changed over the year. She started off with juicing liver. So it was actually liver juice. And then they started doing it raw and then later on it was steamed. And then later on, some of the vegans got in there and they're like, no, liver can't be on here after he died. And then they eventually brought it back and they did desiccated liver tablets on the on the therapy. But but yeah, actually actually liver. And listen, if you just don't like to taste a liver, you can buy desiccated liver tablets or capsules that are still really beneficial. And then I would say, you know, probably wild caught fish like salmon, you know, those omegas are, are incredibly powerful. Of course, they're just reducing inflammation, but also at healing the cell membrane. That's a part of detoxification that's important. Egg yolks are also great. They're really high in these phospholipids that are great. Because your cells, all that outer membrane is made of a mixture of about 90% of it is fat and protein.

And so, and that really a lot, you want, and that allows things to pass in and out of the cells like oxygen and nutrients and some other things. So getting the healthy fats, the fruits, the vegetables, and some of the organic meat, especially like liver high in the B vitamins, I think those are probably the best detoxifying foods. Yeah, that was brilliant. So well said. And as you were talking, I was thinking, like my brain completely lines up with what you're saying. And why would we rather reach for a supplement? Why would we rather reach for a medication? Why? Would we rather just take our chance with some horrific chronic disease that is going to really affect the quality of our life and may end our life earlier than to actually list what you just talked about, like, write it all down and go to the market and make sure on a regular basis you are getting that. Like, why is that so difficult?

I'm sure you're wondering the same thing, but you have, so I don't understand why we don't lean into that. Well, I think part of it, it almost goes back to what you pointed out earlier is just sort of, you know, when we look at Asian culture and we gratify wisdom and gray hair and age and the wisdom that comes with it, you know, that's something going on culturally. I think in America, when you look at what people, what most people would put in the place of God or worship, it's money, it's economics. And the other thing is speed. So I think in American culture, it's about, finance, like it's about monetary gain and how fast can I do it. And so part of that puts your health on a back burner. I mean, there's no doubt when you go to Asia. And by the recent statistics on America's overall health is we're ranking around number 70. Oh yeah, we're horrible. I mean, I mean, that's it in Japan's like one or two. And so when you're just comparing it,

in Japan, one, they're taking more time when they eat. They're eating more whole, they're eating more whole meals. Not everything's about speed. If everything's about speed, you're going to do door dash every meal. You're going to do fast food. You're going to do ultra-process foods. And if that's a bigger, you know, priority. You know what? It's interesting you bring up the speed thing. I really love that. And I know you do that you fast. I can tell you that the more fasting I do, the less hangary I am. So I, when I look at a meal and between fasting and eating very much like you were talking about. I never get in that place that I'm so hungry that I need food ASAP or I'm going to pass out or I'm going to kill somebody. So I think there's like tied into that is this

metabolic dysfunction from all the ultra-processed foods. And so now all of a sudden speed of getting the food to my door becomes incredibly important because I can't go long periods without food. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think you're totally right. Yeah, there are, yeah, there are numerous benefits of just cutting down that eating window, you know, and fasting there as well. But yeah, yeah, it's funny. You know, when I was younger, yeah, if I didn't have a meal, I was so cranky today. I could miss a meal and just not even, you know, hardly noticed. All the time.

All the time. Like, I was traveling the other day and I was like, when am I going to get food? And I thought, I don't think until I get home tonight, okay, that was fine. It wasn't a panic. So I think that like the crazy thing, and I'm sure you go there in your mind, the more I study this, the more I'm like, oh, this is a problem and this is a problem and this is a problem and they're all like meshed together. And this is why we're number 70 because our culture doesn't support health. It's not just a food die issue or, you know, whatever. Like there's so much more to it. And you just brought up a really good point.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, again, you know, like I was, I am a, again, I know everybody has different opinions on this. I was very happy when RFK got in because he's trying to do some things that more aligned with what I've hoped we would do in the whole house space for a while. But, but, but, yeah, listen, food dies, you know, they can cause some minor issues. Now, for a few, few small select people, they can cause major issues. Like, I've worked with so many kids with ADHD. And there's no doubt when we got rid of food dies and some of those things we saw improvements. Of course. But the ultra-processed food, the sugars and the heavily processed oils, I mean, those are,

again, just the overconsumption of processed carbs. I mean, that's the single biggest problem. And that's the mainstay of the American diet, unfortunately. But people were getting better. But then, you know, and I want to move on to movement here in a second. But again, the complexity of the problem. Because, yes, like the focus of cleaning up our food system that RFK is putting his attention on is beautiful. But meanwhile, Trump is overturning. pesticide laws and glyphosate is, there's no regulation of, how do we square those two? Well, you know, I think, you know, when it comes to Robert of Kennedy, I have the, I've had the opportunity to go to D.C. and meet with some people and be somewhat involved over there.

And he's doing it, I'll just say, he is doing a really great job. He is working tirelessly. Part of the problem is there's so many things he wants to change. I mean, there's so many things. And then you still have these, the donor. And just to be quite. Frank, I don't think, you know, Donald Trump is, he doesn't know what Robert F. Kennedy knows. He's not as educated. And so, you know, it's just, I think that's part of the problem. There's certain things like when he came out, we had the whole thing about Tylenol. And yeah. And so it's just not his expertise. Well, and so we'll move on to exercise. But the thing, but I do think this is a really interesting,

it's the nuance. This is what, like, I keep trying to train people. We've got to think about health. you need an ethos, you need a formula to think about health because it's multifaceted. And so I think one of the things that is difficult is that the acetaminophen, I like you, I really, I worked with a lot of kids that were normal one day and then they went and got a new set of vaccines and the next day the parent came into my office and said they're not talking. Like I witnessed that right before my eyes. But that didn't happen with every child. That didn't happen with every child.

So with the acetaminophen thing that was so interesting is like, yeah, you could follow the science. I watched what a lot of people said. But there's not a one-to-one connection here. And I think that's where the media took it. And it ties into what we're talking about on longevity, that this is why you can't just do one biohack or start eating beats on a regular basis or add in organ meat every day. There's a system, an ecosystem of health, that once you learn how to click into it, you start to see that health becomes very effortless.

And you and I, our patients, are following. We've clicked into it. But we got to get out of the one-to-one thoughts. Well, and to your point, you know, I was, we were talking about Darshan Shaw earlier. And he was on my podcast and we were having this conversation. And it was that, you know what makes a really good health practitioner? Like somebody that I would send my family to and it's someone like you. And it's this.

It's that I'm creating something personalized just for you because you're a unique being. There's no one else like you on the earth. And this is why it drives me crazy when you have doctors who are like, I'm on the, like, solely. I'm not talking about just, hey, this, I use this with some patients. But everyone needs to be keto. everyone needs to be carnivore, everyone needs to be vegan. It's like, and I learned this via partly Chinese medicine. It's that, no, everybody needs a unique protocol.

And I learned this early on in practice because it's like I would have a patient coming with inflammatory bowel disease. Yep. And I realized early on, oh, I can't have them eat salads. Like they need to eat all cooked food, lots of soups, ginger herbal tea. That's for that person. But I'd have someone coming with cancer. And it's like, well, I'm going to do some raw food. Perfect example.

very, very different diets. And so I think that what people also need to understand is just because your friend did carnivore or whatever doesn't mean that's the best diet for you. Like you're very, and you know this because you take care of so many women hormonally. And that can be so different, especially between, you know, you know, premenopause, postmenopause, I mean, you know, changes monthly psych. I mean, women's hormones also make it so much different. Even, you know, you know, times, even sometimes eating different foods on different days of the month. You got it. Yep. As you've taught. So, so I do think one of the things that I want to encourage people to do,

and I think this comes with supporting your longevity, is trying to cultivate greater physiological awareness, greater awareness of how your body's responding to different foods and different things and seeing what works for you. And I think that's important. That's not to say that, you know, most people can't really benefit from salmon and extra virgin olive oil and blueberries, right? I think there are food that most people can benefit from. But also when you're eating certain things, really continue to just try and fine tune and notice what, you know, what's going to work for you and your unique biology. Yeah, that's so well said. Okay, talk to me about movement because I can tell you the other thing that I saw in my clinical practice was that these women

who were high performers, exercising all the time, Spartan racer, crossfitters, they would come in with these injuries that never went away. And I'll never forget, like, arguing with a 50-year-old cross-fitting woman that I was like, you have to stop cross-fitting. And she's like, no, I'm not going to. And so she kept injuring herself. So in age like a girl, I brought forward the idea that we need to change our exercise as we age. We need to look at this very different. So I'm very curious of your opinion of aging through the lens of longevity. Yeah, yeah, I know we're going to align here as well. So just literally yesterday, I was in the gym here in Nashville, and there's a woman there. She's probably 39 going on, I mean, about 3940. And I was having a conversation with her,

and she wants to have another baby. And she's training for a marathon. And then I see her in the gym working out an hour and a half a day. So that's not counting her running. And she's like, you know, I noticed from all my symptoms, I think I self-diagnosed myself with endometriosis. Right. And I'm like, well, like, you really have a choice. Like, either you can really, I know we can get you really healthy and you can have a baby or, oh, no, here's what she told me afterwards. She's like, yeah, the marathons in two weeks. But then I was thinking about doing a half iron man.

And I was like, I'm like, there's really a choice here, like, you know, in terms of what you want to do. Okay, because, you know, half Ironman training at 40 years old with your body already depleted with these symptoms and trying to have a baby. I'm like it's, you know, it's so all that being said, a lot of people are doing types of exercise that are, they're aging exercise. Oh, well said. Yeah. We know this because you and I have taught this for so long, but long distance cardio is at the very, very top of the list. You know, it's really hard on your gut. It's really hard on your immune system.

It's hard on everything. Your hormones, cortisol, staying higher. So that's not the right type of exercise. The other thing is to the point, the CrossFit, when you are doing like exercise to where you're failing constantly and for speed, when your muscles fail, let me, everyone does this to think about this. When you go to failure with your muscles, what has to take over once your muscle fails?

Your ligaments, your tendons, the actual connect. connective tissue, your joint. So anytime you go to the point to where you're beyond failure, you're injuring your ligaments and tendons and connective tissue. And if you're doing it for speed, there's zero percent chance you're doing it in proper form the entire time. And so I really encourage, like at this point, Mindy, when I go the gym, it's about functional fitness. Me too. Yeah, I do a lot of weight training, but I'm doing like lunges in a way that a physical therapist really showed me how to move my body and spine and keeping my back, you know, in a very specific position. I'm doing bodyweight squats with maybe kettlebells. I mean, there, I, so I'm doing

things because I want to be active when I'm 100 years old. Like I'm exercising for longevity right now. So I love that. Thank you for bringing that up. My 89 year old dad, he's 89. and about five years ago he had to have knee replacement. And so I went over to his house after the surgery and I was trying to help him out of the chair and he couldn't lift himself out of the chair. He couldn't do like a tricep dip basically is what it was. And so I told him when we got done,

I was like once you're healed, you're going to start doing tricep dips. Because what happens if you end up on the ground? Like how are you going to get up? And I think we don't tend to think about that at like 40 or 50, like our, you know, hopefully we're not as obsessed with how we're looking in the mirror, although we always want you to like what you see when that's coming back at you. But functionality needs to be the thing.

Like we need to double down on that. The other thing I want to say that, I don't know if you, did you see this 80 year old woman who just ran an Iron Man? This was like this weekend. I think I just saw the caption on social media. I didn't read up on it at all. So I sat there and I was like, okay, so I know everything I've studied about post-menopausal women, you have the capability to do that, but that's not good.

That is not good. I mean, like I want to know what, like you said, what are the other costs of her being able to do an Iron Man? Yeah. So it's really interesting. I really think our movement needs to change when we. age. Yeah, and you just said something I think that's so important for people. And this is wisdom. We talked about wisdom earlier. Wisdom is knowing what the tradeoffs and the costs are. Because I see people doing this all the time saying, you should do this, you should do this. Okay, but what is it going to cost you? Because, you know, you're going to cost you an Ironman triathlon. Is it going to cost you your knee health? Maybe now you're not going to be to walk three years earlier because of the amount of damage you did by all the trade. Because it's not just doing the Iron Man. It's the training you did for the Iron Man. And listen, that's an amazing feat. I think we could

all look at that and say, that's incredible. Of course. But with that, just be aware. And listen, as long as you know the cost, if you feel like that cost is worth it. But I do think people need to learn to more to, because listen, I injured myself. I'll tell you just a quick story. And then I'd love to touch on some more exercise principles. I learned so much about longevity because of this exact same thing we're talking about now. I, 10 years ago, did CrossFit for a year. And by the way, I'm not built to do CrossFit. Like, I did triathlons.

I mean, I'm fairly fit, but I'm a little bit more like thinner wrists and midsection and things. Like, most of people doing CrossFit and Olympic lifting, they're like small, like, very short, really stocky people. And so when I did this, like, I was doing cleans for, again, this is so dumb. I can't, I'm embarrassed even saying it. I'm doing Cleans. Lips for Time and Cross. And listen, it was fun. But I ended up really pulling something in my back

really bad. And then a couple weeks later, I was lifting, and I heard a pop. Oh, no. And this was 10 years ago. And I herniated my L405 and L5s one disc. And I had pain. I was in bed for two weeks, couldn't move, major pain. And Mindy, for years, years, I suffered with just terrible chronic back pain. Finally, and I tried, yeah, I tried so many things. to get well, fit PT, chiropractic, red light. I mean, you name it. And then I got turned on to stem cell therapy. And I went and got stem cell done.

They pulled from my own bone marrow, re-injected it. So natural procedure. And I felt like 70% better. I was like, wow, this is really like amazing. And then a few, this was about three years ago. And I was about 95% better, okay? But I just had this little nagging issue left. I thought, I'm going to get it done again.

Well, I went in and, My wife and I were in Puerto Rico at the time, got the injection done. Again, natural, my own stem cells, but something went wrong. And I felt worse and worse and worse to the point where I had to wear a back brace. And I thought, gosh, what's going on here? Finally, it got some point I could barely get out of bed. Then one day I woke up, I could not get out of bed. The pain was so excruciating.

Wow. I had to call an ambulance. They came and picked me up, brought me to the hospital, took an MRI, got the report back, said I had a spinal infection in my disc, in my bone. My entire L5 vertebra was infected. And there was an abscess growing by my spinal cord of the infection. It was called osteomyelitis. So I had to get on a flight from Puerto Rico, a private plant, like flew me, like in a gurney.

You know, they put me in a gurney, flew me there. I met with an infection disease doc. And he said, Josh, he said, listen, I'm going to be honest with you. He said, this could kill you. It's spread so far. He said, most likely you're going to be permanently disabled. He said, we have to put rods in your spine. and he said, your best case scenario is you're going to have chronic pain every day and you'll be the first person to know when bad weather goes through.

That's what he told me. Word for word. And I had about 24 to 48 hours where honestly, I felt like my life was over. I thought, oh, my, like just how could this happen? How did we get here? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it was just this one and like, literally one and half a million chance.

I look statistically that you could get an infection with this sort of thing. So, and I ended up, again, I was, it was such a mental and spiritual battle, but then I just had this sense of calm and peace of doing, you know what? I can't control the outcome, but I can do everything I can to heal. And so I read a study on hyperbaric chambers and all kinds of things, diet and all these sort of therapies. So I started getting a hyperbaric chamber for two hours a day, every day. Because there's a study that said, you can cut down your antibiotic time by like 75%. Yeah. They were telling me I'd have to be on antibiotics for three months.

I got on them for four weeks. And then I started doing like, you know, these IVs of, you know, methylene blue and Jensen Silver and ozone and all kinds of things. And the only thing I ate, I pretty much ate wild salmon and berries and steamed vegetables. Like that was the majority of my diet. And I went through this whole program for healing. Now, here's the crazy part. The disc and the bone in those areas have almost no blood supply.

So I didn't walk for for 10 months on my own. own and then two months on a walk or so I didn't walk on my own for a year, full year. This is just two and a half years ago. Most people didn't know I went through this. And I just kept doing everything I could. And you know what I read at the time? I just kept reading, how do I regenerate cells? How do I support cellular regeneration and radical, like, you know, radical healing of areas? And that's why I was in the hyperbaric chamber. I was doing everything I can to drive blood flow and oxygen to my disc. Hmm, it's beautiful. And so I did this and I'm excited to say after a year of not walking, I was able to start walking again.

Now I'm back to 100%. I don't have pain every day. I don't have any pain. I'm able to, you know, I'm lifting weights. I'm throwing my two year, well, my two year old daughter in the air in the pool, you know, seven feet in the air. She loves it, you know, working out. And I feel great. You know, I feel like I'm in the best shape of my life. But a big part of it was really studying cellular regeneration and cellular healing and what do I need to do? And it was everything from the dietary protocol to things like the hyperbaric chamber to my mindset and believing and knowing like activating the placebo effect. I mean, the placebo effect is amazing. I mean, when you look at it. Yeah. So I went back and read about this and started writing about it. But, you know, during, I think it was World War I, they were giving the fallen soldiers morphine. And they ran out.

And these are, I mean, these are men that have lost limbs. I mean, the excruciating pain. Well, the physician, when they ran out, he told the nurse, he said, listen, we got to give them something. Fill that with saline solution and just inject them and tell them it's morphine. Tell them, yeah. The crazy part is 40% of those soldiers had the same pain relief as if they were getting morphine. Yeah. And to think that our brains can create these neurochemicals that have the same pain relieving power as the most powerful pain relieving drug on morphine, that's really amazing.

And so I just started reading and thinking about, like, I would visualize myself. you know, running and swimming and playing with my two daughters and doing all these things. And I really think that was an important part of me healing as well. There's some great, you've probably seen Bruce Lipton, right? Oh, yeah. No, this is a lot of Bruce's work. I went back and read his book and, like, biology, belief. And, like, I really sort of activated and started seeing myself, like, you know, young

and youthful. And I think that was a part of my healing as well. You know what I'm thinking is that was quite a story. And thank you for sharing it. I was intimately connected to Dr. Pompa in his group for many years, and I had heard, I had heard that you were hurting, and I never heard the complete story, so it's really interesting to hear it from your mouth. But what I'm thinking about is going back to these environments that we put ourselves in, the way in which we approach taking care of this human

frame that we're blessed to walk around in. And, you know, there's this, I think you and I would both agree that what we think is health and the path to health is actually probably the opposite. So like everybody would think CrossFit is a very healthy thing to do. But look at what happens when you do it to an extreme. And then when you went to go heal, what I heard in that is there was another environment you put yourself in. So you took yourself out of one environment and you put yourself in a different environment and perhaps that sums like everything you and I teach up is like where what environments are you putting yourself in because you can't heal in the same environment that made you sick it's just not possible i love that you're saying this dr many because i mean i mean

by the way these this is the philosophical difference between western conventional medicine and functional medicine slash ancient forms of medicine like like tcm it's it's the difference and one was Lewis Pasture, who created pasteurization and germs create disease. So we got to kill the germs versus Antoine Bichomp who said, no, it's your environment. And he used the word terrain. We have to change the terrain, which is kind of like our bodies are a garden. And in order for a flower or a plant or anything to grow, we need really good soil. We need water. We need light. Again, it's an environment as you're sharing. And this same principle holds true. Like if, you know, if I have a patient come in with, let's say, a hormonal issue like hypothyroidism,

my entire mindset is how do I change that environment? That's one of the things herbs do. You know, in Chinese medicine, they would say hypothyroidism is a chi and yang deficiency. So it's a issue where you don't have enough cellular energy, and it's an issue where your body's not anabolic enough. Well, how do we fix that? Well, ashtwaganda is a chi and anabolic herb. So does rhodiola rosea.

What are some of the nutrients needed to change the environment? Well, we need selenium and we need certain methylated B vitamins and we need, you know, even like BPC157 or TB5, like some of these peptide. Like, like so creating a protocol and to your point, you said this earlier, it's typically not one thing. It's not one pill or one food. It's a protocol of the right foods, right herbs, right lifestyle adjustments and sometimes therapies that get your body in an environment where it's water. it's got sunlight, it's got nutrients in the soil, so now you can reverse that medical condition. You can heal.

And the same principle is true for longevity. So, you know, again, now you got me thinking on deeper stuff. So I did actually a presentation to my whole patient base on the differences between vitalism and that infectious disease approach. Like, is it the infection or is it the host? And I went in and looked at Beaumpt and Pestor and compared them. And what most people don't know is that prior to the penicillin being discovered, we didn't know if there was, if it was the host or the infection that was the problem. And what happened in this controversy was we went into a pandemic, which we all now have a personal experience with this.

And so we went into the Spanish flu pandemic. And then everybody was like, oh, wait, it must be the infection, not the host. And then two years after we came out of that pandemic, penicillin was created. And all of a sudden, that was the hero of the moment. And so the whole health conversation around 1920 dramatically changed because of the pandemic and the influx of or this discovery of penicillin. And we have not moved from that place. It's insane.

But part of the problem with our whole medical system is, is that we are trying to, it's not health care, it's disease care. We're trying to use a system that should be used for emergencies for health care. In fact, I think primary care, what people call primary care today really should be secondary care. If you're sick, the first thing you should do, or not if you're, just generally on a regular basis, the people you should be saying is a doctor of functional medicine or somebody who is recommending dietary changes and lifestyle changes and herbs and vitamins and those things. And then if you do that for years and you still have a problem, well, now maybe we do some pharmaceutical intervention if there's an emergency. But outside of that,

that's really what the whole system should look like. Yeah, yeah, agreed. Well, I could talk to, I could talk to you for hours. And, you know, I'd love, I love what we co-created here. Now I'm actually thinking more just about the ecosystems and environments that we put us in and that that's the real, that's healing us or just or building disease it's as simple as that so yeah and i and i again like in like really truly like i'm in admiration of you started a health movement on social media and i watched it and you get credit for it i know you're not asking for credit for it but so many of us are standing in our social media platforms because you were the first to go out and really bring all of this to the world so i just i have to thank you for that because you deserve

you deserve every accolade you can possibly get for that, and I really appreciate it. So how do people find you? Where do they find your work? Yeah, well, one, thanks for the kind words. One, you can check up my podcast. Yeah, I cover a lot of, a lot of great topics. Again, Dr. Mindy, I know you're coming on here as well. So that's on YouTube. It's on Apple, Spotify, but it's just the Dr. Joshak show.

And then you also find me on social media. Just Dr. Josh Ax. I'm really active on Instagram and YouTube, probably more than anywhere. I'm pretty active on Facebook, too. so those are some of the best places to find me. And again, thanks so much for having me on. I love talking to like-minded physicians who are also, like, you're doing amazing things in the world.

And so thanks again for having me on, Dr. Mindy. Yeah. Yeah, thank you, Josh. Thank you so much for joining me in today's episode. I love bringing thoughtful discussions about all things health to you. If you enjoyed it, we'd love to know about it. So please leave us a review, share it with your friends, and let me know what your biggest takeaway is.