Live Like a Girl with Dr. Mindy Pelz - What Genes Tell Us About Our Health - With Teri Cochrane

Episode Date: October 3, 2022

For full show notes, resources mentioned, and transcripts, go to: www.drmindypelz.com/ep141/. To enroll in Dr. Mindy's Fasting membership, go to: resetacademy.drmindypelz.com. This episode is about knowing how to eat for our genes. Teri Cochrane is the founder of the Global Sustainable Health Institute® and an international thought leader in longevity. Through her decades of clinical work, Teri has developed The Cochrane Method®, a future-facing, multisystem health and longevity model. This model examines the intersection of gene expression due to pathogenic and environmental causes, energy, and her clients' unique personal blueprint. Teri specializes in solutions to complex health conditions and serves world-class athletes. She is the author of the Amazon best-selling new release book, The Wildatarian Diet: Living As Nature Intended. Please see our medical disclaimer.

Epigenetics is the science of how our environment influences our genes. So foods can support the expression that we would love and also support the expression that we want to stay away from. Resetters, Dr. Mindy here, and I am on a mission to teach you just how powerful your body was built to be. This podcast is about giving you the power back and helping you believe in yourself again. Let's jump in. On this episode of The Resetter podcast, I bring you Terry Cochran. So for those of you that are due to Terry's work, she is an alternative and holistic health coach. She has come up with a nutritional plan called the Cochran method, which is really interesting, and you'll hear it in here.

and is the author of a book called Wild Terrian, which is also very intriguing to me, especially since she teaches many of the principles of helping us look at nutrition and bringing it back to what we are innately, primally designed to eat. Hopefully you all know that I am not a believer in a one-size-fits-all eating program. I believe strongly as women, especially we should be eating according to our hormones. and why I wanted to have this conversation with Terry is because she really brings the conversation of nutrition to a deeper level, and that is around genetics. How do we know how to eat for our genes?

And many of the questions that I had for her were around epigenetics. They were around, did the gene come first or the diet come first? How do we match our total lifestyle with our genetic profile? Now, I also wanted to make sure that those of you that maybe don't have access to a gene test also had symptomatology, also had information on how you can time your lifestyle and your food specifically to your DNA even without a test. So you will hear as we go through this conversation that we talk about symptoms you can look at. She had some great one-liners. and I love how she talks about how she speaks the body's language. And it's one of her fluent languages that she speaks.

I flippin love that because that is how I feel we all should be. We all should know the language of our own individual bodies. And this conversation is going to be the beginning of teaching you how to speak that language. So it was a beautiful discussion. Stay all the way through to the end because we went down quantum physics at the end, which is so fun to talk about. And there are some mind-blowing ideas that she and I geeked out on at the end of this conversation. So Terry Cochran, we're speaking nutrition.

We're speaking quantum physics. And we're hopefully empowering you to be the best version of you possible. Enjoy. For starters, let me just thank you for coming on the Resetter podcast. I agree pleasure. Thank you. Yeah. Really appreciate you being here.

And I don't know what you know about our audience, but we have both men and women over 40, a lot of women going through menopause, a lot of women that are just really what I call trying to take their power back with their health. Yeah. So this is why I wanted to have this conversation. And I'm going to be really transparent that once I bought into epigenetics, I pretty much said, okay, I can do anything I want to overturn my genes. So when I heard your work and I learned about you from the higher dose gals. When I learned about your work, my first thought was, okay, wait, am I supposed to eat to change my genetics? Or am I supposed to look at my genetics to decide what I'm going to eat? So why don't we start the conversation there? Why is it so important to match these two?

So so delighted to be on your show. Thank you for having me as well. And I'm so delighted to talk to your audience. And to answer your question in the shortest version, it's a yes and. Oh, no, I hate yes, Anne. I got to tell you that's why. But I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Okay. So epigenetics is the science of how our environment influences our genes.

So our genes are our genes, and they will always be our genes. And so now in the world of epigenetics, we're looking at SNPs, which are single nucleotide polymorphisms, which are variants in that specific gene. And so what we do is that we. match your genetic blueprint to your current state of health because it's not just the blueprint that you have, which is it speaks to what might be your vulnerabilities, but have those gene variants has been expressed and how are they expressing? And food is a huge component. Mood is a big component. Our environment, what we put on our body, in our body, what we surround ourselves with. So yes, what we look at is what are those vulnerabilities, right? So we don't want

step in landmines. Right. And also what foods can support the expression that we would love and also support the expression that we want to stay away from. So we say, are you eating the right, wrong foods? And so, for example, the foods that have been touted as being so healthy. Let's talk about, I've named it Killer Kale, Dave Asprey and I. Yeah.

So killer. Nobody likes kale. Kale's just getting beat up all over the place. Here's a good reason for it. So kale contains both oxlets and sulfur pieces. Now, we have 23,000 genes. We're actually not that complicated. We're tantamount to an earth one in terms of the complexity of our genome. Isn't that interesting, right? I know. I've heard that. Yeah. But we have the bigger brain and so we can think about it. And the expression of the genes comes to where am I in my expression of these genes now? example, take me. I have what I call, I'm scroogled from a gene perspective. I have, I have, wait, wait, wait, what's that word? Scroogle? Scroogled. I made it up. I love it. You're like, you're screwed and what's Google. And, and you know, you just can't Google it away. You know, you're scrupled. Oh my gosh. I love that. Scroo. Okay. I'm so going to use that. I'll give you credit for it. Yeah, you can't Google it away, right? It's like, oh my gosh. I just don't know what's going on. So if just my genome in it of itself, I have, I'm like the princess and the pea, I've got

impaired sulfur processing mechanisms and we'll talk about that. That's those are broccoli, cabbage, arugula, bocoy, killer kale. I've got impaired oxalip metabolism. Those are my berries and my almonds and my black beans, right? I've got, I'm a double methylation girl, meaning I've got one snip for either one. So that goes to fat and to protein. Wow. Right.

I've got a lot of genes that go to neuro. transmitters. So I've got to really be careful with over-methylating. We think, oh, these functional docs say, okay, you've got this methylation gene. Let's just throw a lot of folate or B-12 at you. Well, maybe not. Because if you have other genes like the comp gene, which goes to catacolamines or the CBS gene, which goes to sulfur, also neurotransmitters, I call that the central broadcasting station gene, then giving you a B-12 or a folate is going to over-metilate you. And so we look at, are these buzzy bees? Are they going to, kick your butt or are they helper bees? And so, and it changes based on where you are. So if you're in a really beautiful state of homeostasis of balance, then I can have a little bit of broccoli here and

there and I can have some almonds and some black beans. Am I going to have them all together? Heck, no, am I going to start a smoothie in the morning? No way, but I can have them. However, if I just got whacked with mold because I just entered into a mold infested building and I slept there at the hotel and I wake up and I can't remember my name because that mold has tripped my COMT gene, then I better stay away from anything that feeds that mold like the oxalids, the berries, the almonds, which increase the oxalic acid, which then feeds the mold. So that's like we have to do the yes and, but it's a very beautiful dance. And what I will tell you is I work with children from as young as I had a two and a half week old here. And so we match the genetic blueprint of the mother and the father so the baby can be its best

self. Wow. And we work to a geriatric crowd. And I will tell you, Mindy, that some of these kids that are 10 years old know more about their bodies than most adults because they've been, they've, they've been raised in this trajectory of, you know, this wilditarian way, the Cochran method. And they're so empowered. We just took a young woman. She's been working with me for a decade. She was antithalactic to 52 foods. Anaphylactic. This thing could have. Her mother was always in mad, mad, mad distress of, you know, I'm going to put my child into a public. Rita, and she may die. She's eating all of those foods now. Wow. Yeah. Crazy. So we turned off the genes, her DAO genes, her histamine genes. She was so high in histamine genes and not able to process phase one liver detox genes. We literally reshaped her body. And she is, her name is Lillianna. I'm so proud of her. She is so empowered. She's a little, she is like in charge, this little 10-year-old who's so in charge of her body and not have to live in fear. But, you know, on a global scale, that's the kind of work we need to do with all children, you know, and empower them because

I always say big pharma is not going to relent. Big food is not relenting. Like we need to empower each individual. So let's use that two-year-olds or the two-and-a-half week-week-old example. If we know a genetic profile of a two-and-a-half-week-old baby on what foods they should eat, do we have to keep checking the test over time to see if those. genes change and will they change with things like puberty vaccination schedules like what what changes them that phenomenal question all right so this two and a half week old baby which what we do is we have we do the we do the intersection of the mother's genes the father's jeans and the baby's genes and the mother breast feeds to that which is the lowest common denominator of what is best for that baby

crazy okay so and what's expressed and yes again yes it was change. This is the dynamism of us. This is why the whole aspect of the Cochrane method is eating to your genetic blueprint and your current state of health. So if you've just had a puberty expression, okay, so now you're this young lady and you've got all these hormones circulating, well, those are fat soluble. And by the way, oh, you have the MTHR C-677 gene polymorphism, which you're already recycling. You're predisposed to recycle estrogen. Oh, Oh, and you have a lot of yeast infections, which is candida, I call Candida the biofilm layer around Candida, the jelly donut, because it's a lipid layer, right? And it makes Candida really hard to get rid of. Then what we do with these young ladies is during your period and mid cycle, you go zero fat. Because your body's already having to manage that overburden of the hormones. And I will tell you, it makes a huge difference. And they're not only in the way that they look on the outside where they're, they're, they're face is much, you know, less acne prone and they're less fluffy.

But mental health is so important because estrogen and serotonin compete for the same little part on your cell receptor site. So when estrogen's out of control, that's why women's PMM, PMD, and when women go through menopause, similarly, that's why they used to say, well, you know, she's going through menopause. So she's having these wacky moods. Well, I say, listen, it's my liver and my estrogen that's recent. circulating and let me fix that and then I'll be back to normal. So your question around vaccines,

I really hope that one of my goals, long-term goals on this planet as a human and an individual that we are so much in our power, Mindy, we have so much power when we're in our power. And each person has more power than we could ever imagine. So as a mother, I got into this because my son was, I was told was broken. And so there's a whole story behind that. And now he's not broken, for sure. And so if we're going to bat, and I'm not completely anti-vaccine. However, if you have certain genetics, you better know what they are. Yeah. You better not vaccinate in the wrong way.

And now what I will say is over the last 20 years, vaccines have gone to from like 17 vaccines to over 80 vaccines. Yeah. And I work with a lot of autism. Yeah. And when these vaccines get joined together, five and one is a disaster. If you can't methylate, if you can't break down. protein. These viruses are proteins are attenuated in their life. That's a problem. Yeah. So absolutely. I think the idea that there's a one size fits all, whether it's a

workout, a medication, a diet, a fast, a supplement. Like, can we, everybody that's listening just put that away. Like that was a story that was created to simplify health. care. And that is why we have so much chronic disease. Don't you agree? So well said. Put that down, everyone. Put that down. It's so confusing because so confusing. You go down when, oh, okay, everybody do this. No, everybody do that. And when people ask me, Terry, what should I do? Is this good for me? And I said, maybe. Let's talk about it. Right. And what's back to being in our power, Mindy, is that the body is constantly giving us feedback. Yes. Yes. Right. But we don't know what. it means. So I say I'm multilingual and one of my languages is body. I love that. I'm going to start

saying that because I don't speak another language. So, but I do speak body. I totally know body. Oh my God. I love that. Right. So, so it's really important. So for example, if we get up in the morning, we have dark circles. Okay, that's an allergic shiner. So something I ate just gave me a histamine response. Yeah. Right. If I touch my forearm and I see a white indentation, my lymph isn't working. So I'm fluffy. That means I'm, my lymph isn't working. That's a fat metabolism. issue. If got yellow around my, around my mouth, my liver is clearly not working. If I have a gray pallor, that's kidney. That means I'm not processing my proteins. You know, if I have fungus on any part of my body, I better stay away from anything that's mold, fermented, sprouted, even high

histamine. So we can go down literally and scan our body every day and say, how am I and why am I? And again, part of my model, I'm really a teacher. You know, if people ask me, what what's really, what really do you do? I teach and I educate, I inform, I empower. Because once we have information and that information is fluid, the body knows, Mindy, the body knows. And so when somebody tells you, and I tell this to my clients all the time, if I'm giving you information and you're like, wait a minute, this doesn't feel right, you're your highest authority. Let's talk about it. Because your body said, I don't think so. Right. Right. And so. You know, I always tell my community that you, you don't need a fancy.

treatment, you need to know how to get yourself well. That would be like another paradigm shift that I feel like needs to happen is we have to stop giving our power away to health professionals of all kinds. And we need to start educating ourselves about us and creating a custom path for us. Once you get that, you know, and my passion is helping women, once like a woman gets a hold of that, she's going to change her family, she's going to change her friends, she's going to change or community and teach that to everybody around her. So I love that you said that. It's like, we need to stop looking at health care as, I don't want to say a victim,

but there's a, you know, somebody who is giving their power away to the expert. It should be a synergistic team approach, don't you think? 100%. And, you know, this is a dance, right? And so being a good listener on either side. And I hopefully I'm empowering my clients to listen really well, not only to, me, but to their bodies and then keep record. It's like, oh, yes, I had this and now I feel that way. I will tell you, just last week, we had a young woman that we worked with. She's 23 years old.

She's had rheumatoid arthritis. That's an autoimmune condition for an inflammatory arthritic pain since she was two. Okay. In four months, that RA is gone. Wow. So from 21 years to four months. She had a massive sulfur sensitivity. She had fat metabolism issues. She had pathogens. And she's like, I can't believe it. And my face is better. My periods are better. My stomach is better. Not just my joints. And so, and she says now when I don't, when I go off the Terry Ranch, they call it. And I don't eat those, you know, those foods, then I eat those foods that aren't my best matches. Then I feel it. Right. But over time, as we heal and seal the gut, And the, the memory fades.

And we're getting new, we're building new neurological pathways, new neuronal pathways. So we're not saying, okay, if this then, because the body is so adaptive. Yeah, it's always adapting. We are pattern. We are inherently patterns, multiple trillions of patterns that are happening every millisecond in the body. But when we write the same script, we're going to get to the same. output in the same pattern. When we rewrite the script, the pattern changes. And that's so powerful.

Right. Yeah. Amen. And the other thing I want to highlight that you said a few minutes ago, and this is something that I've been really teaching my community, is that when with a woman who has hormones, when those hormones go high, there is a lifestyle change that needs to happen. And, you know, this is what my new book that will come out fast like a girl is really teaching, like, how do we fast around these hormones? And I, feel like that also is the new wave that we need to talk about. When we talk about customizing our lifestyle for our hormones, we need to look at when hormones go high, there's a lifestyle change. When they drop, we usually can stay, do a few things a little different. But it's in the,

like you said, ovulation a week before our periods that we really have to shift. So what, how do we use genetics to tie into those two parts of the? cycle. Great question. Well, today I actually had a client here who's been a client of mine for almost two decades. And we graduate them, but they come back and they check in with us. She had had a full hysterectomy at 25, had her gallbladder taken out in her early 30s. She was been on thyroid medication forever. She used to be a size 16. Now she's a size 4. She's not on thyroid medication, right? So what we found for her is her genes, she had a multiple array of fat metabolism impairment genes.

MTHR, C677T, that goes to how you break down hormones, how you break down fats, the VDR attack gene, how do you make vitamin D and dissimulated? Because that's a hormone precursor. The APO gene. I know we talk about APO is in Alzheimer's genes, but it's also cholesterol genes. That's a fat metabolism impairment gene. She also had an oxalate metabolism gene. So oxalids build that oxalic acid, which builds biofilm, which is a fat, which then

builds, you know, feeds candida and strep and all those things, which then disrupt insulin, which is a fat storage hormone. Right. So looking, and then you have the INSR gene, which is what is your insulin receptor gene. So we look at all those genes and we say, how are they dancing together? And what's so fascinating, Mindy, is that she would always have GI issues because she would dump fat because her body couldn't metabolize the fat. She was on thyroid medication.

It was hurting her. She's now off of all thyroid medication. She takes a tiny bit of pregnellolone. It manages everything for her. Yeah. Amazing. Amazing. It's really fascinating that the body has this incredible ability to do what it's supposed to do

if we're not sabotaging it. Right. So the other thing I know about genetics, hormones, is that there are a class of toxins that dramatically shift are the way that our genes express themselves, the way that our hormones. And the biggest one is heavy metals. We do a ton of heavy metal detoxing. I've watched thousands of people detox in very different ways. So talk a little bit about where detox comes in because you have like, okay, yes,

the genes determine how you're going to detox, but we also have that the toxins are going to impact the genes. We're like it's sort of a double edge sword, correct? Absolutely. Absolutely. So let's talk about the genes that impact liberty detoxification. Okay. So we've got multiple.

There's a family of genes called the CYP 450 family of genes. That's an umbrella of 450 snips that goes to phase one liberty toxification. Under that you've got the PON-1 SNIP that goes to how you metabolize chemicals and purspumes. You've got the CYP 2D6 gene. I have it, which goes to how you metabolize, believe it or not, turmeric. If you take turmeric and you have that gene, you're totally scroogled. It can slow your... It can slow your...

You love that term. I'm so going to use it. By up to 50, 50%. My kids used to make fun of me because I couldn't eat curry. I'm like, now I know kids, I got the CYP2D6 gene. Get that curry off my plate. And then, so another thing that has to do with heavy metals is not just about detoxification, but there's another piece called the HFE gene, which goes to, are you prone to hemacromatosis?

is iron overload. Guess what, folks? Iron is a heavy metal. Iron also will create, become a lipid like oxidative stressor that will increase your pathogenic load because these pathogens like to feed on iron. So when I look at heavy metals, I also look at what is your body's ability to process fats along with your detoxification genes because heavy metals hide in lipid layers. They hide everywhere. They hide in fashion. They hide a lymph. They hide a nervous tissue. They do, but they really, they encircled it.

They encased themselves in this little film, right? That's why we have to chelate. Right. And so some of the, some of the keylators that I use, believe it, are not salt. Emulsifiers, vitamin C, if you don't have a lot of oxalic acid, they do. They hide everywhere. I work with a lot of MS. It was copper toxicity for a woman.

And we figured out, where is this coming from? She did pottery and copper was in the kilning. Crazy. Oh yeah. I know I, some of the worst heavy metal tests I've seen have been with artists like drawing, like people who are like painting or been doing ceramics. It's it's really interesting. So so on that, let's just stay on the heavy metal because this one really fascinates me. Um, is that once you remove the metal out, you find the rhythm for the person. Yes. Literally in our world, what we've seen is health comes back. You know, a huge piece. of what I believe is that the body heals itself, you just have to remove the interferences that is blocking it from healing. So do we then see if I if I find my rhythm with detox, I remove everything out, now is there going to be a genetic shift that happens? Yes. So again,

genes will never change. Their expression changes, right? So how are they behaving? So now I can go ahead and do a little bit of acrylic and I'm okay because my it's it's the allergy second theorem is how much can my body tolerate before it trips both from a detoxification perspective and a genetic perspective and so this is where we do the dance right and we do the I call it the practice of the practice so if I know that I'm a pure a poor detoxifier which I am again I'm the princess in the pee every day I juice with a green juice that's neither oxalate rich or sulfur rich because if I were to juice with kale which I have I have to have literally to get off the road because I can't think I couldn't buy my way home right now I particularly juice with cilantro and cucumber why is that

they're neither oxalate sulfur it doesn't impair phase one it doesn't have heavy metal cilantro is a heavy metal key later every day and cucumber is really rich in silica and also rich in water And silica is like this beautiful binder, right? And so every morning, I start my morning with that cucumber cilantro juice. I put a little vitamin C in there. I put my wildlife, my electrolytes, my electrolyte powder in there. And I'm good to go. I'll put a little collagen if I want to.

But typically that's you got to keep that liver clear. It's almost like washing your skin every day. Yeah. Got to love our liver. And we have to. The liver is the most important organ in the body, especially in 2020. Holy moly. Yeah.

Yeah. So I am, I am committed to juice. Now, I don't physically juice every day because I have a centrifuge based juice that keeps the enzymes alive for about three or four days. So I just, I just juice a bunch. And then I drink it every day. And I don't purely juice because if I were to do that, sometimes it's too much of a hit on the liver. So I do about a third of my, and then I do a third water, liquid to help metabolize. So, and I will tell you, how do you know of your liver? backed up. What's the two really easy signs? One, body odor. If you have body odor, that means those hormones are not clear. All right, ladies, this is super important. If you go, okay, what's going on? I don't use deodorine or antiperspirate because I don't, I don't have a scent. When I travel, I just got back from filming something. When I travel and I'm off plan and I can't get to my green juice, then I bring cilantro drops, right? But if I really am off plan and I'm eating the wrong foods, I can see a difference, right? I'm like, oh, thank you.

I got to love my liver a little bit more when I get home. So another thing is, it comes out your skin. It's the largest detoxifying organ, right? If you feel like, oh, my God, I feel like I have a little acne or, gosh, I'm feeling fluffy, right? Under my, it hurts here. That's live. Yeah.

The body's always giving us feedback, but purely, truly, truly for women and hormones and, you know, your audience, which is in that 40 to. and above if that's correct, then we're in perimenopause because 35 to 55 is considered you can be in pari menopause and over that 20 year period. It's a dark zone. It can be light. It could be like. There's a lot going on in that zone of 20 years.

Let's just say that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's good stuff too. Oh, absolutely. And I can say it can be a dance of cha-cha where you're back and forth, back and forth, or it can be the waltz and you're literally just dancing on air. Right. And we can choose it. So the thing is truly is, got to love your liver. Understand what are your best detoxifiers? Where do you hit that tipping point? And if you're juicing and feel badly, don't juice with that. It's feedback. Yeah. Don't keep trying to say it'll get better. No, I won't. Yeah. So this leads me to my other question and probably why I've shied away from diving into more extensive genetic tests is that my, my, my, my,

vision for the world to end chronic disease is that we've got to be able to get a tool into everybody's hand, whether they can afford the tool or not, which is why I love fasting because everybody can afford that. So what do we do if I can't afford a genetic test? Are there, like in your book, is there like signs where you could know? Because you've also left a lot of great clues that people can learn how to read their bodies. Because if we're going to get healthy, we have to have something that everybody can do. That, you know, again, 100%. And I'm all about access for all.

And so we've developed a quiz to figure out what wild type are you based on our wilditarian umbrella of the four major portals of what I feel disease falls under. And so, again, the quiz is very intentional. So, for example, if you can't build muscle, you know, you're working out and you can't build a muscle, you're not breaking down protein. That means you might have this tendency to have the A1,2, I need C-polymorphism for methylation that you're not breaking down protein, right? If you eat asparagus and you go to the bathroom, excuse me, and you can smell it coming out.

That's a sulfur gene. I'll bet you a bison burger. You've got that CVS or the suox or the BH4 gene, right? Did you just say you'd bet me a bison burger? I need to be friends. I love the word. That was so good. Thank you.

I would love that. We have a glass of wine after. Yes, we'll go have it. But maybe I should see if I have. gene for it. Yeah. I think what I feel is that we've got to teach people how to read their body. And the, and the healthcare system in which we have grown up in says, if you feel bad, you got to suppress it. You've got to change it. And one of the things I've said to my patients over the years, whenever they say something like, oh, I feel horrible or something new happened. I'm like,

fabulous. Okay, let's try to identify what your body is saying. So I feel so passionate. about trying to get tools to people that don't cost money, but a large part of that is going to have to be education. A large part of that. And actually, I'm working on, I'm in the process of licensing my IP to a consumer app that literally it's a very, very detailed quiz. And it says these are the foods you can and these are the foods you shouldn't. And these are yellow, reason, red zone.

And this is why? Because it's really based on an epigenetic my module or my algorithm of the Cochre method, which is very, very complex in the algorithmic. but anything that works should be simple in its application, right? Yes, agree. So how do we simply apply it? You don't need to know, you don't need to be a biochemistry geek like me, right? But you just got to know that if I eat sulfur and my joints hurt, I'm not going to eat that.

And what is stuff? Okay, let me go down here. And where is my tipping point, right? Because I call like Bush number one, the kinder, gentler sulfur kids. Right. So for example, cauliflower is sulfuric. However, it also has high manganese. So manganese is really important for lowering that histamine response.

And if you have something like pods, posterior or the static tachycardi syndrome where your autonomic nervous system is whack, right? It's way turned on. Then a little bit of manganese and that cauliflower may benefit you. And so this is what I call the hierarchy of needs in the body. So for example, oxalid is a big chocolate. I'm excuse me, chocolate is a big oxlet. However, if you need dopamine, if you need serotonin, if you need magnesium,

then that hierarchy of needs wins. Now, how do we know the hierarchy of needs? Well, I did not develop applied kinesiology, but I have modified it in a way that gets super granular. And so it's giving us real-time feedback. Can you do this right now? Right. So we just had somebody today who was sensitive to oxalids,

yet her nervous system was off, and her dopamine and her serotonin were off, and so she could eat some level of oxalette. Excuse me, chocolate. Are you going to eat that chocolate every day all day? No. But it may be something, sometimes maybe right for you.

And so this is the elegant dance of really getting to know your body. And I'm here to really show people that you don't have to be a biochemist, but if you start listening and you start practicing the process, then it becomes easy because we are building, again, back to the building of these new neuronal pathways of saying and feeling, because the body's always giving them his feedback, oh yes, this corresponds to this. Okay, got it. just like Liliana, the 10-year-old, who's so, does she know biochemistry of course? But she's so flipping knows her body, Mindy.

Yeah. And I was going to say, you know, one thing I realize I do every day and I didn't realize until you said it right now is when I have a morning time ritual and I kind of assess how I'm feeling and there's sort of different symptoms. And then I go back to the day before and I go, okay, what did I eat? What supplements did I take? What behaviors did I do? And if I don't feel good, I usually go back and look at what.

what did I do that didn't match how I want to feel today? And I feel like maybe that's the starting place for everybody is let's just, we have to start to realize when we have joint pain, it could be nutrition. When we have anxiety and depression, it could be something going on in our gut. Like, if we start to just take that part of the conversation, we've now really made a big difference in how people can interpret this, don't you think? Absolutely. And it gives you your power back.

So, for example, history, I call it. it sneezing on the inside. You just don't have to have a rash or a chew. To have histamine, we had one client, idiopathic anxiety disorder. It was all related to an increased hydrogen sulfide in her gut that was creating a mass cell response. It was creating histamine. Once we took away the histamine reasons and we match her genetic blueprint to her current state of health, her endopathic anxiety went away and our other pharmacological issues. We're only backing up her liver because it was a histamine issue. Amazing.

Yeah. So I hope everybody's getting that. Like if you're listening and you're like, okay, well, I don't know what all these genes are. For starters, you have a book, the Wild Terrian. Wild Terrian. Yeah. You're obviously good at names, like naming stuff. Like Scroo.

Like, oh my God. That was amazing. But I, but that would be a place to start. They could read your book. And then they could start today. saying how I feel today, let me go back to the meal before I ate, let me go back to the day before, and then let me start to kind of get curious about how I feel after I eat certain foods. Could it be that simple?

It's that simple. And also, food is primordial. However, if you could be eating your best match of foods and you just got some tremendously negative muse, and all of a sudden your body just flooded your system with epinephrine, which is what I call the dirty cupcake. It's a fat and a sugar. Epinephrine will also impede the signal for the pituitary to signal the esophageous to produce, I'm sorry, the esophagellial sphincter to produce hydrochloric acid.

So now you can't break down protein and hydrochloric acid is the key that unlocks enzymes. So you can be making your enzymes, but hydrochloric acid's missing, again, you're scrugled. So all of a sudden, that meal you had, you can't break it down. And you're like, I'm so confused. I just had my best meal that I know is right for me. Oh, but I just got this really like take me off my center use. And my body flooded itself with this neuro hormone that stopped everything in its tracks. So my other question, and then we are going on to quantum physics because that's even more exciting.

I mean, gosh, I need like two hours with you. Is, okay, what if I've got a toxic mouth situation or I've got breast. plants or I'm living in a moldy home. Like I can look at my genetic profile, but they're still, you know, I'm still being toxified on a regular basis. Is there a way to overcome that dripping of toxins every single day knowing with nutrition? Absolutely. Because I call food, Mindy, the alpha and the omega.

And I work with a lot of ex-plant victims, if you want to call them that. I don't even want to call them survivors. Yeah, victim. hate that word. Let's not use that. Right. X-plant experiences. There we go. Excellent. So a lot of toxicity, right? And what I find is why can someone get an implant and be okay? And why can someone get an implant and not be okay? Right. Right. Thank you. I've been asking the same question. Or like have a mouth full of like root root canals or a mouth full of amalgams. Like, and they're fine. But the other person.

can't get out of bat. That's where it gets to the genetic vulnerabilities. Okay. So if you can't break down heavy metals because all that phase one liberty toxification genes are, you're vulnerable with, if you have problems breaking down biofilm because you can't break down fat and you've got the HLABQ2A gene, which means you can't break down mold very well. Okay. If you've got a lot of neurotransmitter genes, that means you're more susceptible to really setting off neurological responses which then is going to increase because we have more neuro-transmitters in our gut than we do in our brain. So you have something and you set off all these neurotransmitters, which then completely ship

the microbiota of your gut. Yeah. You're going to be, that's why, why did Susie get a breast implant and did great? And she lives, you know, in a super fun site. A super fun site. And she's thriving. even happen what the heck is that right and i am so careful and i'm just screwed all the time right i can't i'm toxic now genetics are part of it and it's what tripped the gene so the cochran method has four

portals of epigenetic expression pathogenic environment which includes foods it includes your superfund sight, emotional. Oh my gosh, that is the biggest signal to the gene. And the in the hierarchy of needs of the Cochran method is calm the body first. If you are signaling and a fight or flight response, everything else is going to be like salmon swimming upstream. It's going to be so much harder. And then the fourth one is, I just got whacked a physical impact. I had one gentleman, 18 stools a day after being. He's a cereal gym owner, right? So super entrepreneur, Mr. Buff, he comes to me.

He sits in front of me. He's like, I've been told you can help me. I've been to at least 20 GI doctors. I've lost like 35 pounds. I've lost my muscle mass. I've lost everything. And that was, you know, my physiology. And I can't stop going to the bathroom.

And I'm literally dehydrated. And, you know, it's just a bad, bad scene. And I have a very intentional intake for him. And I'm like, oh, my God. there's nothing here. This guy, I got nothing for you. But then this is where we become a really curious observer. His name is Bob.

I'm like, Bob, I'm seeing your eyes a little off. Tell me about that eye. He goes, oh, I got elbowed at a basketball game 18 months ago. I'm like, really? When did your thing start 18 months ago? So what we figured was that impact to the eye shifted his vaso vagal nerve, causing a massive reactivation of all the neurotransmitters in his gut. Fascinating.

It was a vasolvigal response. Yeah, interesting. So no geop. Again, I love it. And I'm like, how do we bring this to everybody? Because everybody can't afford an analysis. So I love the idea and I love the thought of healthcare moving in this direction. And I want to see a health care system for all. Absolutely. And the health care system for all really starts in the home. And it really starts with, okay, like you do every morning. You know, what did I do the day before? Let's be really curious. curious. The new healthcare systems starts with replacing fear with curiosity. I love that. I love that. Yes. Yes. Beautifully said. Thank you. Okay. We've got to dive in before I close this down. Again, I'm going to have to bring you back or you and I need to connect so we can geek out on this more. I'd love to. So, okay, let's talk about the intersection of spirituality

with science because people are always surprised that I'm so spiritual and so scientific at the same time. And I laugh and I say what we call woo-woo. You guys can call it woo-woo. We actually now call it neuroscience. Absolutely. So I have been anointed, the spiritual scientist. Okay. There we go. And the woo, I call it wooology, the biology of woo. Okay. Here we go. Perfect. Perfect. It is neuroscience. And so when you think about the emergence of science, science is ever in the process of discovery. And so that, That which we used to think is woo is really energy.

So now we know, and national institutes of health has proven that we have this biofield of energy around us. And so we are energetic beings that are vibrating at a molecular rate of speed that causes mass. Right. So we are just moving at a certain rate of speed that causes mass. So how does spirituality and science come together? Well, we know that every thought that we think, and this is back to how powerful we are. we exist in infinite potentiality. This is in the world of the universe, the metaverse, quantum physics.

When we ascribe a thought to anything, we are now engaged in a wave because every thought has a wave. Every wave has a frequency and vibration. That frequency and vibration lives within a certain capacity. Once I have done that, I have now started my path. That isn't another path. So if I'm in the frequency of I'm always going to be sick, I can never understand myself, I can't get it right. You're literally creating a frequency match to that outcome. Agreed.

Yep. Now, faith, God, source, however, wherever you are in the paradigm of your spiritual aspect of who you are, when we look to something greater outside of ourselves, which is, I call it the universal fruit of wisdom, which lies in all of time. So time now, we're really starting to see more and more time as a construct. We literally live in vertical time, not horizontal time, because all time is this time. And if we can move into that still point, which is why do we do this? Because it's the heart center. We now know that the heart has gray matter. Guess what? The heart's our brain. Interesting. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know it. Wow. Wow.

Yeah. So it's the spirituality. It's like why namaste back to center. Equanimity. This is the even mind. Right. And so when we move from the heart rather than the brain, we're moving in the right direction. I'm sorry. I didn't mean her. No, no, no, no. And I have so much I want to say on that. Two things. One is when we're in the head, and let's just use it in a day-to-day basis and somebody triggers us. And now we're like spiraling and we're like, this day is bad, that person's bad, this is going wrong. In fact, everything else is going wrong. Blah, la, la, la. Is there something we can do to stop ourselves in that moment? So that, and what I find helpful is what you just said, which is, remember, do you want to keep

that frequency going? Is that what you're interested? Like, that's how I can talk myself off the ledge. Is like, do you want to step this to be your reality? Are you ready to change it? Yes. So great question. and I have a simple solution, which I actually apply to myself quite often. The first thing is, I'm interrupting this broadcast. Okay, we're going to stop this. So I have, you know how they, and the firemen, they say stop, drop, and roll. I got a whole stop, drop, and roll for interrupting patterns that we don't want to continue. So first I'm interrupting this broadcast.

I am stopping it, okay? And then I am dropping it. And so, because energy is energy and it's not going to be extinguished. So I've got to literally move that energy through me. And that dropping could be, I'm going to drum, I'm going to yell, but we have to move. You know, I jog every morning. I call that my meditation and action, right? But if we are literally in a situation, we're going to interrupt the broadcast.

And even if I'm moving 12 feet, I've moved away from the energy I was just in. And then we're going to roll. We're going to roll into a higher frequency thought. And so this is where we have it are ready. We can do many things. Oh, I have a song that I love that just puts me right back in the center. Right. Oh, I have a scent that when I've been in a meditative in the equal mind space,

I have put Gardinia, which is the flower of the angels. And I'm like, okay, oh, that's what I want to remember. Because scent is the, is 5,000 times more acute than any other of our senses. And so if I know that when I'm in an equal mind and that beautiful heart center space and I smell garden when I smell it again, that's the pattern. That's the memory, right? Right. So I'm going to do Gardinia or I'm going to think of something, right?

Or read something that's in your power. It's like a pattern up. It's like a pattern interrupt. It absolutely is. It is a pattern interrupt. And over time, we're going back to center. And so now it's like, oh, I'm out of my power. Let me get back to like Bozo the clown.

I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Those little punching things. Yeah. It's like, oh, yeah, yeah. But you know, Bozo always got back to center. So I'm like, okay, wait a minute.

Oh, wait a minute. I'm over here. Uh-oh, drop and roll. Yeah. Oh, let me go. back to center because in center I'm in my power and in my power I have infinite potentiality to do good things right oh my gosh I love that okay my net my other question on the original statement was it's hard to keep your to always come from the heart let's just let's just be real um like

i really this year especially I'm a my audience knows this that I'm a recent empty nester I'm I'm not in my formal practice anymore. And so I've been really working on myself. And one of the things I've been working on is keeping an open heart. And I find my heart many times being like, you're going to get hurt. What are you doing? That person wronged you. Like, I don't know if that's hard or head, but what are some strategies? Because I see for humans, if we could all keep our hearts open, we could change so much, but we're not doing that. So give us some tricks on how do we keep the heart open. Okay. Well, first of all, when we're in that state, we have to be compassionate with ourselves and give us grace and just say, look, okay, it's all right.

This is why we're in human form because we're hearing a human massive experiment to grow. It is a human experiment. It is. This is true. And so then I go back and go, wow, that's that seven-year-old girl that was a trigger. And so I'm going to take that version of myself and I'm going to hold her and say, it's okay. And you can have these moments. So sometimes this is the thing we don't allow ourselves to have the moments. So then we suppress it and then we get schooled again. Right. It's really important in human form that we have these moments.

Yes. And give compassion and I call it laying grace over it. Right. Right. Because I'm not going to forgive myself because that means I did something wrong. I'm just going to lay grace on it. I'm going to lay grace on that seven year old girl that was the trigger that said, oh, honey, it's okay. Right.

And it's okay for you to have that moment. Yeah. Now, what I strive to do is when I keep. keep having those moments. What is it that I'm still not willing to look at, which is an aspect of myself that keeps triggering me back to that, right? I may not be in my heart, but I'm always going to be curious. What aspect of that? Am I, one, not willing to look at? Two, not willing to let go up. Or is there something that's still serving me? Is there some aspect of that that's still serving me? So I still need to capture whatever it is, it's serving me in that aspect of that iteration of me,

that version of me that I can bring with me and bring it in. I love that. I love that. And it's a practice. I mean, I think everything you're saying, again, I go back to this health care paradigm that really messed us up.

Because what it said is you have one problem, one diagnosis, one pill. And when we come into this kind of art of health, it's not one problem, one pill, a situation. It's a practice of health.

I always say, why was health a noun? It should have been a verb. Oh, that's so well said. It should, it is, it is the practice of the practice. And we're ever iterative. And so this is another thing I'm going to leave your audience with is we are dynamic creatures. We're in constant motion internally. If we stop moving, we stop being. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Right. And so to think that I can do this and I'm always going to do this and it's always going to work is a false floor. And so to get comfortable with the fact that we will be dynamic. Right. And we're going to be ever curious on where that dynamism is in the moment and not be afraid because fear paralyzes truth. That's what I say. And so really be in the space of compassionate, curious, not afraid. And fear sometimes

is in the moment that can get us out of the way, but not in the drip of fear, right? Drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, it's always afraid this low level fear. can't catch my breath, right? My shoulders are up here. Oh my God, I have TMJ, you know, right, those kind of things, potty talk, right? I just love this. So I'm going to have to bring you back or I don't, we got to meet somehow. Like, I think if we lived in the same town, we'd be besties. So I love, I love this. So let me, let me finish with this question. It's a question I ask everybody. As we went into 2022 for the resetter podcast, there was a lot of fighting going on in the world. There's a lot of anger that was unresolved. And so I decided to dedicate

this year to gratitude. So do you have a gratitude practice? If so, what is it? And what are you grateful for in 2022 so we can keep that wave of gratitude going? Wow. Okay. So what I say in 22, 2022 is do you in 2022. So I love that. The thing is you got to be true to yourself, right? So I am grateful that I strive to be in authenticity with who I am and all the versions that come with me. You know, those parts that still need some love and healing and those parts that are really badass. And so I am still a collection of all those aspects of myself. And I am now truly owning and bringing with me all of them. So I'm going to be BU in 2022.

too. And when we're really authentic, then we can literally move forward with no interruption because there's nothing in my field that says, I'm not being true to myself. Yeah. You know, on that point, I just want to point out that when you're in the presence of somebody who's living authentically, you feel more comfortable. Yes. Like if you want to know who the authentic people are in your life, when you're with them, you feel comfortable. When people are not being their authentic self, I find, I'm like, I don't know why I can't relax right now. Why can't I relax? Because there's interruption in their field and you're feeling it.

If there's flow, because they're just being them, whatever that them is, they're being authentic to self. So there's nothing that they're hiding. There's no secrets. Right. There's no interruption. Yeah. Well, this was amazing. How do people find you? I just love this and we're going to have to somehow join forces and meet in person. Absolutely. I would have to. I'm a huge fan of books. I mean, as an author, I think you can heal yourself through so much through books. So I'm going to recommend everybody.

We'll put links in the notes. So Terry Cochran.com. That's how you find me in our clinical work. All our supplements are there. The Wildetarian Diet Living is Nature intended on Amazon. I also have another organization I'm really proud of. It's called the Global Sustainable Health Institute. I have launched that to teach my Cochran method.

we're in the beta stages of that. I also do private advising. That's quantum advising. It's by invitation only. I work with some really interesting and cool folks in that world across all disciplines, helping them catalyze their infinite potential by moving those rocks out of their field that keeps them less than fully authentic. So amazing.

Amazing. Well, this was incredible, Terry. I just appreciate you showing up. I'm so happy that Lauren and Katie brought you to higher dose. so I could experience you. And I really hope we connect someday life. Let's do it. You've got it.

We'll share some wild game. That's right. Oh, I'm all in. I'm all in. And maybe some wild organic wine. Absolutely. Yeah, I love it. All right.

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