Live Like a Girl with Dr. Mindy Pelz - Where we went wrong with food & what we can do about it - With Brian Sanders

Episode Date: July 27, 2020

This episode is about the "standard" American diet and how the food industry is fueled by money rather than health. Plus, we dive deep into eating healthily on a budget, the problems with Game Changers, and how humans are actually designed to eat meat. Brian Sanders is the filmmaker behind the feature-length documentary Food Lies and host of the Peak Human podcast. He graduated from UCLA with a degree in Mechanical Engineering and then turned to technology and sold an app company. He's used his technical background and love for fitness & nutrition to also work as a Health Coach and be the co-founder of the health, media, and technology company SAPIEN. In this podcast, we cover: The reason we need to start eating whole foods How the "standard" American diet started  Why a vegan diet is not an optimum way to live How humans are designed to eat meat  Why we should be eating more meat, not less What Brain says about Game Changers The importance of being metabolically flexible  How poor neighborhoods can still eat healthily OUR SPONSOR OF THIS EPISODE: PALEOVALLEY - Get 10% off your order with promo code: TheResetterPodcast10 Resources Mentioned: Brian Sanders on Instagram Sapien Food Lies on Indiegogo Food Lies on Facebook Peak Human

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your day with me. Okay, resetters. So we've got another great interview for you, and this time we bring you Brian Sanders. And we're going to talk about food. So he's a, he's a filmmaker, but he's a lot more than that. I really appreciated and enjoyed how many people he has interviewed to come up with the information that he has in his film. So you will see it. He is a wealth of information, like name dropping and all these cool concepts. I really enjoyed picking his brain. What did you think, Jess? Yeah, well, the man's on a mission. The man's on a mission to change the world. And I think I remember him saying he was an engineer. So his brain is like wanting to figure out what the heck is happening to our food in 2020. Yeah, it is really cool because he is an

engineer. I'll read you his bio. He is a filmmaker. And he, of course, Food Lies is his film. And he's the host of the Peak Human podcast. He graduated from UCLA with a degree in mechanical engineering. And they turned to technology and he sold an app company. He used his technology background and his love for fitness and nutrition to also work as a health coach and to be the co-founder of health, media, and technology company called Sapient. So again, this guy's Uber smart, which is fun. I love to picking the brains of very smart people. He will bring you science. He will bring you information that will rock your world about food and what's going into our food right now and how the food companies are actually changing the human body because of the poor ingredients.

He talks about the history of food, which was really interesting. And if you're wondering why people are so immune compromised right now, you're going to need to listen to this episode. Right. One, I loved how he started off talking about, I think, with his parents and losing them and how that really kind of set him on to a new trajectory of realizing that he was unhealthy and that he had bought into this model of what our food administration has set up for us. And so he really has a great personal story that really motivated him to kind of embark on this

very long and challenging journey of making a documentary. Yeah, and we've seen that a lot with people where people get motivated for their own health because they saw what their parents did. And I think that's a great sign because we're learning so much that we can overcome our genes with lifestyle. But what I think is the sad part of this story is that we, so much of the food industry has just, they've destroyed our food. So even when we think we're eating healthy, then we're actually not. I do appreciate, he and I really geeked out on this idea around, well, what do we do for people? Why does it cost more money to eat healthy?

And what can we do to get people who are in lower incomes to be able to eat healthy? And I thought he had some great ideas that I hadn't even thought about. about. Yes. Well, and I mean, one of the things that we always go to is fasting. Like, that's one of the beautiful parts about what we teach is fasting because it's, it's free. Like, there's no cost to it. But yeah, he went into some really good, some good points on it. Yeah. So if you guys are looking to improve your health, you want to know how to buy food that's healthy. You want to know how to not be immune compromised right now. This is the episode for you. So enjoy. This is Brian Sanders. So let's start off with this idea.

For starters, I just want to welcome you. You know, this is, I'm excited to pick your brain. I'm a huge fan of chatting with people who are not only intelligent, but are on a mission to change the world. So just to give our listeners a little background about you, you didn't grow up with a passion to change the food industry, did you? You kind of came to this in a roundabout way. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, I don't have a nutrition degree. I'm not a doctor. So a lot of people are like, well, you know, why should we listen to you? Well, I have my own journey. You know, I'm a mechanical engineer. So I started with the scientific background and critical thinking. And I like to, you know, look at the cause of problems, the root cause. And yeah, I mean, I kind of just fell into this. And now it is my passion. It's all I want to do. I work on the weekend. I don't call it work, you know? It's just this is what I do now. I found it. I quit. doing other jobs. This is my job now. And yeah, I, I guess why, there was kind of two reasons to, it was kind of partly personal where I was never obese or I was never had crazy problems,

but I had all these things that were holding me down or that I wasn't optimal and I didn't know it. You know, and he's just going long life and everyone's like, oh, that's in shape guy. That's Brian. You know, he's pretty athletic and everything. And then I'm 30. I have sort of fat around my belly, you have bad body composition, even though I'm trying to eat, right? And I get sick all the time. I have like these chronic overuse injuries. And then I made all these changes. And then all of a sudden, I'm way better than I was when I was in my 20s.

And at the same time, my parents both got sick. So they both have these chronic diseases of modern civilization that we think are normal. And I didn't really connect them to diet because it's Alzheimer's and cancer. So I lost both my parents at 31. And wow. Yeah. And so that was kind of the wake-up call. So it all, you know, it happened the same time.

You know, 30s when you kind of can't get away with eating whatever you want anymore. And then my parents, and then I dug into the diet and I got into the ancestral diet and all this type of stuff. And I realized, oh, wait, we're not supposed to be getting cancer and Alzheimer's. You know, like this is a diet and lifestyle related thing. This is not just a luck of the draw. Like, oh, they just have bad genetics. And now I have bad genetics. So, yeah.

Yes. Yeah. You know, I call it the pebble in your shoe. Like you're walking around, you got a pebble in your shoe. You don't realize your lifestyle is like wearing you down, draining you. And then when you go and you change your food choices, you change your lifestyle and you pull that pebble out, there's like this aha moment of like, oh, God, that feels so much better. Why was I walking around with that pebble in my shoe? And I think that's what happens to people when they come to make food choices. And I can't even imagine you lost them both at 31. Basically, yeah.

So when my dad passed away, my mom was in the last stages of Alzheimer's. So it was like this gradual process. But you could say at that moment, I didn't have any parents, right? Because I was like I could not communicate with my mom. So it was, you know, a slow process, but yes. And in that, in their diagnosis, in their journey, did anybody ever give them health advice as far as nutrition or anything they could do or were they just given a diagnosis and medication?

Well, yeah, for my mom, no, not at all. Even in the last couple of years, I mean, she's still actually hanging out. She's completely unresponsive for over a year. But I was trying to talk to like, hey, you know, there's some, you know, ketones. I heard, you know, about this person. They got even exogenous ketones and they gave them an exogenous ketone drink and they kind of popped online for a second. And I was like, oh, can we try this? Like, no, no, no. All I got was knows. And then with my dad, he didn't get any nutrition counseling at all. I know he, at the end, he tried to read some like sort of plant-based books. And I don't know what happened with that. And we're going to dive into it. But before I do that, what part do you feel like, I mean,

your parents grew up in a society that just ate the food that was available in the stores. And they're behind that as your movie and your mission is about it is just this destructive messaging around food and the fact that food is made so poorly. Do you think about that that perhaps they were just a byproduct of what our whole society is dealing with with our food sources? Yeah. And that's why I got so passionate about it because some people are so passionate about this because something specific happens. to them or they lost 100 pounds. But for me, the passion comes from, we did all the right things, right? Like, we were just, yeah, we were, I grew up during this low fat movement, right? And so I remember growing up and we ate the food pyramid. I remember, I looked back because once this happens, okay, what did we eat? Like, we weren't going out to eat. My parents were never about

going to restaurants or fast food or anything like that. We did it on occasion, yes, you know, once a month. It's like, oh, we get to go to McDonald's and, you know, yay. But, That wasn't our thing. We were making the low-fat foods. We're using the low-fat dressings, doing all that. And I did that into my 20s still. And I made my own food. Every meal, I made my own food. And I still ended up just with these slow deterioration type of thing. So yes, that's why I think everyone needs to wake up about this. Yeah, one of the things I always say is it's not your fault. It is a little bit, but it's also not your fault because if you're just going to Safeway or to the grocery store and you're not sinking it through, that you don't realize the food industry has changed and the foods you're getting have changed dramatically. So have you ever, and this made me think about this with you saying that you were just making the low-fat choices. Did you ever see the South Park episode or they flipped the pyramid? Ah, yes. It was so awesome. Right? It was like my aha moment when I saw that. I'm like, you're right. We have to flip the pyramid. We shouldn't be following it this way. We should turn it the other way. I love that because I was like, this is, because I've been in this little health community for a while, this, you know, kind of more low carb and sexual eating. And I was like,

they listen to us. This is our message. This is great. Yeah, it's awesome. So what was the first change that you made. When you decided to step out of the eating paradigm that you were in, what was the first change you made? Well, it was kind of a gradual process, but I just would go lower carb and I'm just feeling better. But I mean, I think it's the whole foods. That's like really the main thing is I just started going for more whole foods instead of packaged foods. So that's, I think it's a super obvious kind of message, but it's not, people don't internalize it or just really think about it or do it enough. You know, they're like, oh, yeah, don't eat processed foods,

but they don't even know what processed foods are. Or they don't really know why they're doing it. Or they don't really do it. When you look at their diet, they're like, well, what about this? What about this bag? You know what I mean? It's like, you're actually not doing it. You're like, oh, but I'm eating the bread.

I'm like, that's not a whole food. Bread's not a whole food, actually, you know, especially how we make bread in America these days. I had a great talk with Dr. Bill Schindler. You haven't heard of him. He's so great. He's a archaeologist. He's a paleontologist.

He research. food through all of history. And he's basically saying, we're not eating food. We're eating these different products. Even if you think it's cheese, it's actually not cheese because real cheese is raw and it's unpasteurized and it's fermented in a different way and it doesn't have the additives. And you can eat what you call cheese, but you can be completely unhealthy and it could make you get worse or it could eat, you know, a real version that our ancestors eat many people still do in other countries and you can be perfectly healthy. So there's a huge difference in what you're eating and just how it's made. Yeah. And I think most people do not realize that.

You know, even if you're buying food that's expensive doesn't mean it's real food. It's not always the cheaper food. So tell me how you think we got to this point. Can we go back and do like a little a little history. Like how did we go from a point where when you and I were kids, we could step into a grocery store and get real food to a place where we stepped into that same grocery store and we're not getting real food anymore. How did we get to this place?

So it's such a long story. And we're telling you in the film. But you can go really far back to, there's this interesting story about the Seventh-day Adventist and this sort of religious influence that came in the late 1800s. And when we started demonizing meat, because I was really curious, why did we start demonizing meat? It started with demonizing meat, and then it led to the low-fat paradigm to processed foods, right? So I hope I don't skip that.

Like, when I looked back, it started at meat. Right? Once we started tacking meat, then that kind of tears down the foundation of the diet and replaces it with a bunch of other stuff. So for all of history, we lived on farms and we ate close to nature and we ate fruits and vegetables. vegetables and meats and just what we had. And then there was this time where we moved to the cities in the 1880s. It was a whole long story about religious influence. I don't want to get into all of it, but they started thinking meat was bad. They thought that meat made men violent. And then this whole progression of Kellogg, John Harvey Keller, who made all the cereals. He believed this. He got caught up

in the Seventh-day Venice beliefs, and he wanted to make a pure diet. And it was like kind of to get rid of people's sexual desires. And he thought that if you eat these grains, that will happen. And it might. I mean, if you're eating this plant-based diet, I mean, your libido goes down. A lot of people report this. So that kind of started this. Let's eat the grains. Let's make all these cereal companies, huge boom in cereal companies in the early 1900s. And then it kept going. There's like there's processed foods bade for the war. So we started learning how to process foods and preserve them and make them cheaper. And then we had this heart disease epidemic that may not even been such a big epidemic, but we started, even the president

Eisenhower had a heart attack in that office. So he wanted to say, what's going on here? And instead of looking at smoking, when everyone in the 1950s, everyone's smoking like indoors, oh, it's the fat. You know, so there's this whole story about Ansel Keys that people might be aware of. Right?

It's a famous story of him, you know, parry picking countries and looking at this data and saying, oh, well, the countries who eat the more saturated fat have more heart attacks. So then we blamed fat and meat on, we just keep blaming, like these fat meat on our problems, right? It was first it was this religious thing or violence,

and it was heart disease. Then we got into the 60s and 70s, and this hippie movement, and we're just like, oh, meat's fat from the environment. You know, meat's fat for the environment. And that's a whole story too,

is if you do it correctly, it's not bad. It's, you can regenerate the environment. So then you go into the 2000s, and then we blame it on cancer. It's like, oh, meat causes cancer. And then there's a whole story there.

And I talked to one of the USDA scientists, the PhD, Dr. David Clairfeld, who was on that WHO panel that said that bean was a carcinogen, and he said they ignored all his studies that opposed that, and that they were a very strong vegan biased group that was anti-meat, and they were outwardly anti-meat for, you know, ethical reasons. So then, you know, we keep going. We keep getting this wrong.

So if we're saying that meat and fat is bad, then what is good? Well, carbs and, you know, cheap processed foods. So I always say that it's not some big concerns. conspiracy theory. You know, people, even nowadays, it's this crazy time in our world. And it's like, oh, someone's behind this or someone's behind that and this politics and all this stuff. It usually isn't really a conspiracy theory. It's just money, right? So these people just wanted to make money. So the food industry got the green light to make low fat products and they're cheap and they have a long shelf life and there's a high profit margin. So that's a real story

is we just open the door to them and they start making all these products and then people just buy them. And then all the marketing dollars go to further that cycle. Amazing. Yeah, no, I think you're right. I was actually thinking as you were talking, I was like, you know, we always do want to blame it on one thing. And this is, this is, you know, I'm such a huge fan of keto. I'm such a huge fan of fasting. And yet even as that started to gain traction and people got incredible results with that, then all of a sudden we come in and we're like, no, you shouldn't be doing keto. and we end up in this like finger pointing situation. And it gets so tangled.

It's hard for people to make sense of it all. I mean, I spend so much time looking at research studies. And I still have trouble making sense of it all sometimes because it is, there's so much money intertwined in the decisions that are made around our food. So do you think that the FDA, when it's approving ingredients in, to that go into our food. Do you feel like that process is handled well or is that also backed by a lot of money? I actually didn't get that far into that. But I think most of the studies are sponsored by some industry. Well, that's hard too, though, because we could have good people funding things on maybe a keto

intermittent fasting side. And then everyone's like, well, that's biased now. It's like, well, no, it's not. But yes, the pharma has something to do with it too, because they are certainly. funding these studies that start to, you know, prove their medications. And it's kind of the same thing with the food world. But yeah, I don't really dive too deep into the FDA stuff. Yeah. And what about, are you familiar with the generally recognized as safe ingredients? Yeah. You address that. Because, you know, the first time I heard that was Robin O'Brien in her experience with her child having anaphylactic shock from an ingredient in a go-gurt.

and she realized that there were 40,000 plus ingredients that have been labeled gross or generally recognized as safe. But it basically, it's like a proven guilty, you know, proven innocent until proven guilty. It's an innocent ingredient. Yeah. I mean, that is a problem. There's a lot of momentum behind things like that. It's hard to kind of reverse them. And I think the safest way is just to not buy foods with a lot of ingredients. Exactly. It's an easy solution. And yeah, I mean, I've noticed,

so once I stopped eating all these foods with ingredients, if I do have one, you can tell, right? Yeah. Like I get like weird things happen. I'm like, oh, man, I don't feel right or, you know, like get a skin irritation. It's like there's weird stuff in there. You can really tell the difference.

Yeah, I agree. I can taste the difference. Can you taste the difference when you go to chemical food? So something's up with it. Yeah. So, okay, I want to dive into some interesting things that I've heard you say before, that were some, like made me at my head kind of go, huh, that's an interesting phrase, such as a failed environment of a metabolic state.

Talk a little bit about that because that one of my passions has been to wake people up to understand that it is this environment you're living in that is not serving your health. and so you have to make changes around the environment you're living in. And you use the example in the podcast I was listening to about the failed environment being that you have people with money trying to go back to this ancestral eating, but it's the environment that has failed us. So if you can dive into that,

I really think that's a unique idea. Yeah, so there's two ways to go down that route. So basically you could go down the path of this is our modern environment failed us, right? It's like the which people should know about it, especially if you know the ancestral worlds, right? The fact that we're sitting indoors all day, you know, we're doing everything almost exact opposite that a human body expects. Right. So that's one whole thing you could talk about. But then there's this whole other version of this that I also got interested in is that,

humans can live in different kinds of environments, right? That's what we're so adaptable. We've, for all of history, we've lived all over the world. And there's all those different environments. And I think there is, usually our environment serves us and we can drive great nutrition from it. And we can, we hunt animals big or small and we have all the vegetables and different things that we could exploit the environment and in a sustainable way, right? And move on. But there's sometimes when it's a long winter or we're in places where we can't get food, but humans are so adaptable that they can survive still. So we can survive on inadequate nutrition.

If we only have potatoes, it's like you can live off potatoes. There's famously like a potato diet, right? Right. So the second meaning to me is that our body has adapted to live in this kind of, when our environment fails us, we can still live. but that doesn't mean it's what we should be doing. So it's like a vegan diet to me, I believe in many diets across the spectrum,

but except for a vegan diet, right, that it choose all animal foods because that's like a failed environment. It's like, yes, we can live and people find good health doing a vegan diet in, you know, short term, maybe medium term, but I don't know about long term, you know, because that's our failed environment is when we could only get plants.

So yes, we can survive on it, or yes, people can eat, 80% potatoes diet. But that's not the optimum way to live. There is an optimum way. And yeah, I don't think you ever needs to be keto. But I do like a high fat diet. Like if we're getting animal foods,

we were getting good nutrition from plant foods and high fat, then that's our body does best. That's when we thrive. And we're tall, we're strong, we're healthy. And then if you can survive on different foods, and this is what happened when we did the agricultural, Revolution is we were surviving but not thriving. You know, people might know that archaeologists can look at the scalps, the remains of people

before and after agriculture and see a major difference. And we got shorter and our brains got smaller and we have more disease and all this stuff after we just started surviving on all these grains and just like lower quality foods and we got shorter. And there's a great study that shows, you know, when people have access to high quality proteins, milk and, you know, animal foods, they're taller. And you can see it's across the globe. It's interesting. It's the people farther north are all taller and they have access that better protein. Interesting. Yeah. So. Yeah. And so it's, that's a tough one because, you know,

like I go back and I, one of the first books that opened my eyes to the what's going on with the meat industry was Diet for New America. Have you ever read that book? And I have not. I know about it though. Yeah. So John Robbins was set to inherit the Baskin and Robbins air. And then he looked into what was going on with milk and how it was leading to all these diseases. And he turned the whole, you know, legacy of Baskin and Robbins down.

So because he wasn't congruent with what they were doing. And so I became a vegetarian. And I actually became the sickest I've ever been. And I didn't know that. I just thought, I don't want to eat me. You know, I'm not, that doesn't seem right to do. And when I started to add meat back in, my health came back. And that's a hard one for a lot of people. And I'll tell you in our resetter community, we have a lot of people who are vegetarians and they're trying to do keto vegetarian and they're doing it

for ethical reasons and they're reading books like the China study and and leaning into that kind of information or what was the movie that just came out game changers yeah that everybody was into so how can we help people see that there perhaps there's an ethical reason to not you know eat meat but that the human body actually is designed to eat meat which is what i believe you're saying yeah that is exactly that's what the film is all about and it answers this question in the film too how can we do it ethically because and sustainably, you know, we go. So we actually start the film with three million years ago when human, three and a half million years ago when we first started scavenging meat. And then, you know, two million years when we got fire. And we go through the story of why humans need meat,

right? There's a, there's a, our stomachs are very acidic. They're actually the same as a hyena, which is a scavenger. And so we evolved to eat meat, right? This is how it worked. We changed our gut. Yes, our ancestors, or chimps had a, you know, a 7 pH, and ours is the 1.7 now, right? So they, yeah, we are not plant eaters, but that goes back to we have this, a different metabolic state where we can survive on, you know, these lower quality foods. Science has referred to them as fallback foods a lot in this time. When you're looking at all these ancient cultures, when they couldn't get the animals, the fallback foods were these plant foods.

So I'm not saying we need to be carnivores. There's a lot of people in this new carnivore community who would say that. But yeah, I mean, I believe that they were fallback foods. And I've studied enough cultures and talked to enough people to realize this, that humans need meat, our guts changed, right? The large intestine where a lot of the fermentation of planet takes place got shorter and our small intestine got longer where we digest high-quality nutrition from animal foods. So there's all these things that line up when you look at human evolution.

So we go through that. And then at the end of the film, we do talk about, but okay, now we know that we should be embracing animal foods. How do we do this in the right way? So, yeah, that's a whole other story. Yeah, you have to talk about regenerative farming and all that. Oh, I'd love to chat about regenerative farming. I think that's another major issue we have is that our access to just really great high-quality nutrient dense. foods are so minimal.

But I want to go back to this thought. I had never heard that, that our digestive system literally changed. It's like an epigenetic change for what's going on in our environment. Is that what you're saying? Absolutely. Yeah. So this, again, Dr. Bill Schindler, people should look him up. I had him on my podcast.

I'm about to have him on again. He studies the stuff. And it's super interesting because, yes, we did. you know, we did come from primates and we used to eat plants. But that argument doesn't work because we've changed. This was three and a half million years ago, seven million years ago, when we split off from them, but three and a half million years ago,

we started getting access to meat. And that changed. And this is when our brain size, right? You know, people talk about Richard Wrangham, he's a professor that wrote, I think it's called catching fire. Something about how fire and cooking meat led to our brains growing. So during this time, and then also hunting.

So hunting was huge for humans. So we're smart. So there's another vegan argument. They're like, we don't have fangs. We don't have claws. Like, why are we supposed to eat meat? And that is a terrible argument because starting three and a half million years ago, we hit two rocks together and made a knife, basically.

And Bill Schindler talks about this. We have evidence for this. And he makes them now too, where he shows me how to crack them together. And we started cutting through foods and we got meat. and then we started hunting. And once we started hunting, we got first access to the animal instead of scavenging. And so you can track this and how our brains grew

was how we got access to more high-quality, nutrient-dense nutrition. So our body certainly changed. And it's so awesome. You can see it. Hopefully we do a good job in the film of showing this, even visually of the guts chain. So we know we can compare us to a primate

and the same size. And our guts are way different sizes, is our large intestines is way smaller than them. We don't have a ceacom where all this plant fermentation takes, and our small intestines are longer. So it's very obvious that we've changed and we require this. So it's really hard to get enough nutrition from plant foods because we've outgrown our bodies,

like our brain and our bodies require so much nutrition that it is very hard without supplementation, a lot of supplementation to get enough quality nutrition from plant foods. Interesting. Like, you just expanded my thought on that. And what I'm thinking as you're talking is I'm like, okay, if we evolved from apes, we had more prior to being able to go after things with a sharpened stone, we were eating plants. And then once we evolved into eating meats, now we can actually digest meats. Our brain grew. We had more sophistication. But now what's happening to us? Like, what are we

involving into right now? We're going backwards. Yeah, in a way. I mean, you can also look at what the food processing, right? It's the processed food. So it's people, I've seen like little jokes online about, you know, the modern human. And yeah, and then it's now the processed foods and now we're fat and kind of bent over. You know, we have all our technology and we're sitting on our desk and you're just kind of like,

you have a big gut. That's the next form of our evolution. And it's bad. And yeah, that's why I'm really passionate. about making the film too is we don't want to be plant-based. Like that's the wrong way to go. It doesn't make sense. Like I'm not saying, you know, we have to, everyone should be a carnivore, all this kind of thing. But this, this idea that we should be eating less animal foods is wrong. I did a presentation at a food industry conference. It was a very plant-based food industry conference. All these industry

executives from, you know, Coca-Cola and impossible foods were there. And I was a one person, my presentation was called, why we should be eating more meat, not less. And, people were not amused with me, but I laid out all these arguments. I showed every, you know, it's just let's do this, but let's do it right, is the other part of the message too, though, right? Because that's hard, I guess. You know, it's hard to get enough quality animal foods unless we factory farm them. So that's part of the change that needs to happen.

So what do you say to the people who are like, but the China study and the game changer movie? Yeah. A lot of our youth are going vegetarian. and I see it in my clinic, a lot of kids watch that game changer movie and we're like, hey, I'm going to go vegan now. What do we say to those people who? Well, I debunked that film. I actually made a short film debunking their film. It was the same length as their film. It's on YouTube. It's called Game Changers Debunked. If you look on the

Food Lives channel, so it's a full, I interviewed, you know, I made it in three weeks, interviewed all kinds of scientists and doctors and debunked pretty much every part of their film. So I would say that. I mean, I would say that this is kind of a documentary that they made that's one-sided and they, you know, it's very convincing. Yeah. You know, I admit it was good at convincing you of their points, but that actually each one of them was wrong. So there's no way we could break them all down, but I'm just saying it has been debunked many times by me and many other people. And the China study has been thoroughly debunked.

Actually, a great lady Denise Minger, who's going to be in the film. she wrote, I don't know, 20-page essay debunking it and how, I mean, there's one example in that study. Well, for one, the author said this is correlation. It's not used to show causation. Like, we are just showing correlations. So that's, everyone should know that by now. You know, epidemiology, too, that's a problem with a lot of our research and nutrition is that we based it on food questionnaires and correlations when by definition, you're not supposed to base things on correlations. does not show causation. So in the China study, there's a province called the Tuoli province. And they left it, they like conveniently left it out, but that's where this group that lived there was eating the most meat and had the longest life expectancy. So then, so the China study out there is just for, you know, they just leave out those details. It's, you know, called cherry picking. So the China study, I mean, okay, there, this is another bigger topic of there's so many parts of a good diet.

that it's not just one thing, too, right? So it's like people are, it's called a healthy user bias, too. Like, people are doing a lot of other healthy things. So yes, you can be eating more plants and be healthier, but maybe it's not the plants. Maybe the plants displacing something worse that you're eating. Or, you know what I mean? There's so much going on.

Yeah. And what I also heard the Game Changer was funded by a, the monetary backing of it was a plant-based company or they had a vegan. Yeah, yeah. Jim Cameron had $170 million invested in a pea protein company. And, you know, all the Patrick Babumi, the big strong guy, you know, he drinks like seven pea protein shakes a day. It's like the only way he can gain muscle.

So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's something that we try to bring to our community is to always go and look behind it. Like, look at who's backing the research. Look who's backing the studies and these movies so that you can understand what the intention was.

I think that's super important because it's easy to take everything at face value. And in the world of nutrition, that gets really confusing. People get really confused. Well, that's such a good point. I mean, with the nutrition, it's so confusing. That's my biggest goal is to kind of demystify it because different sides can work. So if someone can have an opposite diet from someone else and they can both appear to be in shape. So that's what's super confusing about nutrition.

but there is sort of this unifying theory, right? That if you are, people who all good diets have in common is that people are not eating processed foods, you know what I mean? It's like kind of what they're not eating and they're focusing on whole foods and they include some animal foods. And yes, you can do different sizes of spectrum.

If you're eating whole foods and you're having some animal foods, you can be perfectly healthy. But no one knows. No one's going to talk about these nuances. Right. And so that leads me to my next question. I love this idea of there being a unifying theory of nutrition that we are always so quick

to say this is right, this is wrong, but there are key principles that great diets have. And so let's just map those out because I think that would be so helpful for my resetters just to have an idea that there's more similarities when it comes to the right things to do. And if you know those and follow those, your health can really think. thrive. Absolutely. I think that's kind of my job because, yes, I don't have a nutrition degree or doctor, but I've talked to over 150 people. I've done all these areas. This is all I've do is try to figure out both sides and how it works together. And it's simple because you can look through all throughout history. You can look at native living populations. You can look at blue zones

even. People talk about all the Okinawans, they live so long, but they're mostly plant-based. Like, well, I mean, maybe not. They embrace pork. They believe pork's the longevity food, and they eat a lot of fish and they're eating whole foods. So they are just choosing fat or carbs. They have a lot of sweet potatoes. So they're choosing a carb-based metabolism and they're doing okay because it's okay if you're going low fat, right? I mean, this is kind of this idea of the unifying theory is that there's two sides

you can go on and people usually do well on either end of the spectrum. And most people are caught in the middle, right? Most people are eating high-carb, high-fat diets. at the same time, it's a bad combination and a lot of processed foods. People who go one way or the other, why the carnivor community is thriving is because they aren't eating a whole bunch of carbs with their fat. And then why the Okinawans is they're not eating a whole bunch of fat with their carbs. They're eating whole foods.

They're eating fish and vegetables and potatoes. And so that is a different way to do it. So part of the Unified Theory is just picking whole foods and then picking of macronutrient, basically fat or protein. That's why the keto's so great. You choose fat. And also, a big unifying theory is fasting. It's people who aren't eating all the time.

There's all different versions of fasting, right? And you know about fasting more than me. But just the longer ones, yeah, maybe you don't have to do the longer fasting, although it's interesting that many religions have these longer fast built in. Because everyone knows healthy. And so any good diet, you'll be able to burn your own body, at some point. It's part of being metabolically flexible. It's another great term is that most people

are not metabolically flexible. They can only burn glucose or sugar burners, they're always relying on the next meal. But if you're in these more high fat diets, then when you're not eating, your blood sugar will not drop. You can rely on your own body fat. And that's part of fasting. So you could even be eating a more plant-based diet and maybe it could be low-fat. But if you're doing it correctly, you actually are kind of doing some intermittent fasting. I know some people that do it, they don't eat breakfast. They're doing like 16 and 8, you know, 16 hours not eating,

but they're doing it more plant-heavy and lower fat, and that's fine. Right? But that's why there's a unifying theory, right? It's like... You know, and again, this is... I've studied so much on nutrition, and you've given me a couple of, like, ahas. And one is that you're right,

the absolute worst scenarios when you're putting fats, with carbs, and especially if you're putting the bad fats with carbs. So now, if you go vegan and you start eating the right fats and you're not eating the refined carbs, which is, that doesn't always happen. But let's say it did happen. Or you go carnivore or you go keto. The unifying principle is that you stop putting bad fats with carbs together. So all of the people are going to just thrive from that number one step. 100% is my big revelation that after talking to so many people and looking at both sides, that's what I finally figured out.

And you're right, it is the bad fats. It's, yeah, like, it's so funny we thought these vegetable oils were good for us and all these processed seed oils. These are like waste products of industry, these seed oils. And that's a lot of people in the low-carb world will blame all the obesity and all the chronic disease on carbs. And it's not. It's, for one, it's a refined carbs. And two, it's actually the refined carbs plus. the refined oils, these bad fats.

If you actually look at the graphs, that's what went up. The other saturated fat consumption has actually gone down. People actually took the advice of the government. But the seed oils, these really polyunsaturated fatty, you know, very high refined oils have gone way up. And then the refined flowers insurers way up. And that's the problem. And not only is it just havoc on your body and your metabolism down to your mitochondria level, it's easy to overeat.

They call them hyper-palatable, right? And that's what you're eating the fats and the carbs together. This is this combination. And food scientists know about this because they're trying to make hyper-palatable foods because they want to sell more product. And again, it's not some conspiracy. It's Lays potato chips saying,

bet you can't you just one. Bringles, once you pop, you can't stop. They know if you combine refined flour, sugars, oils, you will keep eating. So that's really to be is also part of the unifying theory. It's also where we went wrong. It explains everything. And the other half of the unifying theory says,

is what you don't eat is super important. And it's those refined grains, sugars, vegetable oils. Those are the three. So all good diets, leave those out. Any blue zone, they're not eating those. Any historic, you know, historic people are like, oh, what about this tribe and Peru? And they eat so much plant-based.

They're not eating sugars, refined grains, and vegetables. oil. So you can do anything, really, and be okay if you're avoiding those three. You avoid those. That, it's brilliant. It's a brilliant, simple concept. And through this whole pandemic with COVID and everything, I've been trying to figure out, like, how do we help people who don't have a lot of money? Like, if we know a high sugar diet can cause, if you have hyperglycemia, it can cause cellular inflammation and it can start to cause your immune system to be depressed. And And people who are falling prey to the coronavirus, many of them are diabetics. And so, but what do we do in these poor neighborhoods and these poor communities?

How do we help these people? And what I just heard from you is like, gosh, the first thing would be just to get out of the oil carb combination. And, yeah. Well, we actually even do a little segment on this as a film because people say, oh, there's food deserts, you know, you go in these bad neighborhoods and they don't have access to fresh fruits and vegetables. And I'm pushing back in that and saying you don't necessarily need tons of expensive fresh fruits and vegetables to be healthy. It's great, you know, but you don't need it. So I think

it's about the education yet for these lower income people. So I feel like they, they think this whole message is like if you can't eat, you know, this magical Whole Foods diet, like go to the Whole Foods and get, you know, these beautiful bouquet of colorful stuff, then you can't be healthy. And I say, hey, there's this whole carnivore community that's super healthy, and they're just eating some meat and eggs and whatnot. So I think it's this education issue. So it's not that there's a food desert. I went around into South Central LA. It was a little scary actually at one point. But it wasn't a good neighborhood. But they had, I went to a carnissaria. It's a Mexican grocery store. They had liver for, it was like $1.99 a pound. You could get some liver. They had all kinds of meats for a couple

dollars a pound. They have, you know, they use the whole animal. They, you know, they have all this stuff and it's cheap and it's just meat. And I'm not saying, only eat meat. But hey, if you don't have a lot of money and you want to be healthy, you should know that this is an option that you don't have to have expensive foods and fruits and vegetables to be healthy. You can just say, eat some ground beef and some eggs. And, you know, maybe I just like cheaper vegetables anyway. I have like sour crowd or like kimchi, like ferment. You know, it's like a sourcrow. You can get it in a jar. for like a dollar. Just eat some sauerkraut and some sausage or something.

Just don't eat the bun. Just don't eat the refined, right? I just wish people would know that you could be healthy by just eating these animal food. And a lot of people lose weight. My friend, Laura, she lost half her body weight in 10 months. She was 280 pounds.

And she went down to 140 by just eating meat. Wow. And it's just, I wouldn't do it forever, but it really works. And so in these poor neighborhoods, how much of do you think their taste buds are because Belize potato chip people have sprayed chemicals on those potato chips that are highly addictive, that have you going back to eating more and more and more? How much do you think the processed food industry has altered the taste buds of the human body?

That's really true. Yeah. Yeah. That's part of our new society that's so reliance. on these. Yeah, it's like people don't know a world without them. And it is a little hard to change. So, yes, I was in that world too where I was addicted to different foods. I thought I had to have, you know, this with my meals. And it takes months to kind of change, you know, so I'd say 100%. These people are, I'm sure, very used to it. And it is this like hyper-palatable flavor.

And food is comfort too, right? Even during this COVID thing, I was like, oh, your comfort foods. It's the opposite message, right? You need to tell people to get healthy. But it just takes a little time. But the great thing is another big point. The great thing about meat is people love it. So it's not, we're not a lot of people. I don't know. I've talked to a lot of people. I went to Arkansas recently and they don't eat vegetables in Arkansas. And only vegetables were fried. So it's like people don't inherently maybe want to eat a whole bunch of vegetables. So what's great, though, is if you say, hey, you can eat some burger patty with cheese on it and just don't put the bun and lose weight and be healthy. They're like, hey, that's delicious. Right. So you can change

those behaviors and go away from the processed foods that are so addicting. But it's a good path, right? It's a good way that people enjoy, that humans are meat eaters. You know, you smell bacon. You want bacon. Why do the vegans make the fake meat products? Because humans want to eat animal foods. It's delicious. So that can help. Yeah. Interesting. So, okay, let's go into, hopefully we haven't scared everybody away. For sure, we've probably scared the vegetarians away at this point. Sorry, I embrace vegetarian. Just eat some fish, eat some eggs.

Like, just put in a little bit of animal foods. Yeah. And I do like this idea of just, you know, I was vegetarian for 10 years and I did the worst thing you can do, which is give up meat and do the fat and the carbs together, like you said. And I gained a bunch of weight. I got chronic fatigue syndrome. Like, it took me down a really bad place.

So I love this idea of let's not point fingers at each other and what we're eating, but go back to some unifying principles. So what do you think? And I'm sure your movie's going to address this and I want to chat about the movie a little bit. But what do you feel like is our way out? Like how do we here we sit in 2020 with a virus that's taken over the world, with a nation that diabetes is on the rise and they're more susceptible to the. this virus, like there's never been a more important time for people to take care of their health. Yet we have a broken food industry. We have soils that need to be regenerated. We're living in a toxic environment. How the heck do we get out of this? Yeah, I love to focus on the solutions, too. And I think there are some pretty straightforward solutions. It's not going to be easy. and the farming, the soil and farming is a big hurdle to get through.

And we have funding in the wrong place where we're subsidized in cornweed soy instead of, we should be somehow getting a carbon, you know, sequestration subsidy. Maybe if you can grow food regeneratively and put carbon back in the soil, then maybe that's where your money should be going, right, for there are these subsidies. And also, I'll say, I think there is enough lands to do regenerative farming. We have millions of acres in America. If anyone's flown over, you see a lot below you. And we can do a lot of rotational grazing, like get the animals together, move them around in a smart way.

You know, there's enough land. People go, oh, there's not enough land to feed the people. No, there is. We actually don't need factory farms to do it. We just need a whole bunch more farmers. Right? We just, I think, hey, this is my big idea. We're talking about these job, what's it called?

Like automation taking over our future. oh, what's going to happen to the truck drivers when the, you know, this cars drive himself. We need to go back to farming. If we have all these people, I don't think anyone wants to be a truck driver, but people like love to work with their hands. You know, farming is great, I think. I don't know. It's very satisfying.

People like farming, right? No, for sure, yeah. Yeah. Backyard farms. People love the, you know, it's satisfying. It's primal, it's human. So I think if we switch a lot of these industries, if technology takes over things, but we get back.

to farming and we have a lot of people finding value in farming and making it a great thing to do, right? You know, and saying, hey, this is fun. This is great. It's not a bad job. Trucking is probably a bad job. Farming is a cool job. We can change. But I'll jump back to just the food stuff, though. Just changing our views on food, I think, is the way to change our society. So like I said, it's confusing. Nutrition is so confusing. Everyone's saying this plant-based message. So the number one way, I think we can change the world's health is to let them know the two main things we've been talking about, that animal food is healthy and is a superfood. And this is where you can get great nutrition from animal foods. Oysters and eggs and liver. Like these are amazing sources of nutrients,

bioavailable nutrients. So people knew that, right? People don't, they think of like ground beef as a junk food. Ground beef is not a junk food. Everything else that came with that junk food meal is a junk food. The ground beef was the one healthy thing you had in there. It is all these B vitamins. It's iron. It's all these things. It's interesting. There's a study about what pregnant women are most efficient in.

And it was like the three vitamins that are most available in meat. Right? It was these B vitamins and iron. So people knew animal foods are healthy. And if people knew this idea that we're talking about the bad sugars and bad oils together, then that would just kind of change everyone's view of health. Instead, it's like, oh, I have to go plant-based to be healthy. Going plant-based is not the healthy part. You giving up the sugars and oils would be healthy, and you eating, like, I know some vegan-type people that they eat oysters once a week.

So I'm like, that was your most nutritious thing you ate that week. Right? So now that, oh, we're so healthy because we're plant-based. It's like, no, you're not eating processed food and all this and sugars and refined grains and oils together. And then you've got the good nutrition from the oysters. So if people, it's just about the information. That's why I'm trying to make the film. That's why I have my podcast, P-Cuman. That's why I do everything I do.

It's just to let people know. That's the one thing you can do is let people know there's another option out there to be healthy. That's delicious, easy. Yeah. So talk about your film. And I totally agree with you. And again, I, you know, for me, I was a vegetarian

and experimented with vegan, and I was just so sick, and it literally, like, one day woke up, and it was like something inside of me that just said, I got to eat meat. I don't, I know that my brain says that there's a humanitarian piece to this, but there was, like, some intuition inside of me. And I've now interviewed, like, I just interviewed Ali Miller, who wrote the anti-anxiety book, and she's all about amino acids for the brain, and you really get amino acids from meat. So I would agree that we need to revisit that topic. But what I love about what you're doing in your film is that I think people need to take that higher view of what the heck has happened in nutrition and food. And we have to stop debating this diet or that diet.

And we need to look at how we got here and what we can do to undo that, which is why I'm such a fan of what you're trying to do with your film. So talk a little bit about what people can expect to see in the film. Yeah, that's kind of the thesis. The takeaway, the thesis is what are humans supposed to eat? This is what they are. And this is the general unifying theories. Let's make it simple. That's a takeaway by the end.

And then, yes, how do we do it sustainably and regeneratively and incorrectly? So, yeah, I guess a brief recap of the film. I mean, I said in the beginning, We start with, you know, the beginning of humans. Like we are finding out what human should eat, going back to the beginning. And we really dive into that. So we know that that's the foundation of this, right? And then we go through the bad science, right?

There's 100 years of bad science that we need to re-examine. And when you start to re-examine, luckily there is new science. So we go from the human evolution story, and then we go through the agricultural revolution, which is really interesting. Like I said, we kind of deteriorated once we started displacing a lot of our food with a bunch of grains and cheap grains. And then there's the bad science, right?

Why did we go wrong? We answered cholesterol was bad. Then there's new science. Like, hey, there's all this ketogenic community is great. There's great science coming out using ketogenic diets, reversing type 2 diabetes, you know, tons of weight loss. We go through all this new. science that no one's talking about.

Right? Here's, it's like, does anyone know that there's been, you know, over 100 low-car studies and that's shown superior weight loss and blood markers and better, you know, HDL, better triglycerides than low-fat diets? No one knows this type of stuff. No one knows that. Doctors don't even know. Doctors don't know.

Doctors still think cholesterol is bad. It's like cholesterol is a vital hormone to your body. It's like a very good thing. So, yes, there's so much new science out there. So we go through all that. Then we kind of synthesize and tell people like all the stuff we've been talking about. These are the unifying theories. These are the simple things.

Also, it's so confusing because you say, oh, my aunt went vegan and she did better. So there's no way that this guy's saying to eat meat. That's not the way. That's the opposite. So we will show why this works. And all the stuff we've been saying, don't get caught in the middle, pick aside, you know, just all these simple things avoid the sugars, refined grains. of oils. If you do these simple things, you can be healthy. And then we end with a sort of regenerative

agriculture piece and wrap it all together and, you know, how the environment works. And that's a film, yeah. I love it. I can't wait to see it. And in our community, we're big fans of what we call diet variation where you can be vegan one day. You can be carnivore the next day. You can go keto at certain times of the months. Like, you can, if you switch in and out of these different diets, that you really can have a benefit of all of that. So it... I'm 100% there. I think that's what we did for all of history.

And even if it's year-round, it's seasonal. Like, seasonal ending is really great. I didn't really get it before. You know, some of these things, they didn't click with me. They're like, our bone broths. Like, why are you, is bone broths or some fad? Like, no, no, bone broth is, you know, what our ancestors did to get all these extra nutrients and magnesium and calcium and you get all these extra things.

That's why it's good, collagen. So it's for a reason. right? And eating seasonal and mixing of your diet is for a reason too, because you don't always want to do the same thing. And yeah, maybe in the winter months, you eat more animal foods and less plants because you didn't have them around. Like, again, you shouldn't be eating mangoes and strawberries in the middle of winter, right? I mean, even just from an environmental perspective, who's flying this in? That's right. How's it getting to you? I think the cave person is so interesting to go back and look at because in the winter, they didn't have access to a lot. I mean, they were hanging out in their caves trying to survive, which is when you're meant to go more into a ketogenic state. This is why the human body has ketones so that you can survive long periods without a lot of food. But then when spring and summer hit, the earth provided all of these vegetables and it was easier to go out and hunt and you were meant more

to feast and live off the land. And so it's the cycling in of what we call feast famine cycling. Like, you know, you're meant to eat one way here and then you can meant to go into a famine cycle and then you come out over here. And one of the things that like drives me crazy is this need for us to fall into one nutritional camp that I am a vegan. I'm paleo. I'm keto. And yet is that, that's not how our human body was designed. That's not at all. And I think you can do it on a shorter times.

I think you're saying too is it could be per week and we don't have to, right? I do that per week. I do. I am mostly keto during the week. And then on the weekends, I'll be more liberal with carbs because I want to be metabolically flexible. And I will, yeah, so I can change it. Or maybe if you want to work out and you want to have more carbs around your workout, that's, you know, there's all different ways to do it. And I do have this idea of a sapient diet, right? So from all of my studies, it's not keto, it's not paleo. It's not the, you know what I mean? It's a sapient diet is a sapient framework, actually. It is not one diet. And I have the sapien.org, I have this little diagram that's, it's like this whole dietary landscape.

And it covers a lot of it where it's like you can be pescatarian and be sapien because you can avoid the sugars, refined grains and oils and still includes in plant. You know what I mean? So there is like a whole framework. So I wish people would, they don't have to use my terminology of sapien. But I think we're in the exact same page is that there is a framework of human eating that's healthy. And you can mix and mass from any part of this framework. Yeah, I love that sapient diet because then it takes you out of what should I do because my best friend lost weight doing this. You know, it puts you into what's right for you.

And one thing that I've done with vegetarians when I work with them is I say, if you want to be a vegetarian, you want to stay in that lane, could you just throw in some days where you eat some meat? You can still be a vegetarian. I'm not going to take that ethical or that label away from you. You're just going to throw in a day where you step out of the vegetarian diet and you eat some meat. Well, the farmer's market too. Yeah. Find some great, know who raised the meat. That's right.

Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, how can we help your film? Because I'm pretty sure that making a film is not easy or cheap, is it? Yeah. It's been a journey. It's been a struggle. we've been doing it all on our own.

So like you said earlier, we don't want to, who's behind the film? Is it a P-Protein company? Or is it just the people? So we are all self-funded by the people. And we're on Indiegogo still. So the campaign's still open. But if you go to FoodLies.org, it'll link you to the Indiegogo. And, yeah, I mean, we're just paying our graphic design.

You know, we're doing all kinds of graphics and the score. So really, it's like everyone's even working for free on the film even. So really, if people donate, It's just going to the last experts, you know, that do the great graphics and do the great sound and do all that stuff to make this really beautiful. And want to go mainstream, right? We want to get on Netflix and be like game changers

and have everyone talking about it. Yes. I want you on Netflix too. Your trailer is great, by the way. So, you know, if you guys are listening to this, go to the trailer. We'll put the link in there. It just gives you an idea of what this.

Oh, yeah. And that actually, I made that for free with a college intern. So we have way better footage, everything's going to be way better than that trailer. But yeah, you can check it out. Awesome. Well, you had me hooked. I was like, oh, look at that. And your podcast is really interesting, too.

You bring on some incredible experts on it. All the people, yeah, as we go through the film, getting access to great people. I'm going to the Museum of Natural History soon when it reopens and filming with a great, you know, archaeologist, PhD. And all these great people provide so much information, yeah. That's awesome. So let's end with this. This is how I like to end my podcast. I love mission-hearted people, people that are really working to change the world. So tell me what, if there was like one message you could get out to humanity right now. And at any point, what do you think that message would be? Well, this time is crazy. So there's so much divide in this time. I don't know if people are going to

be listening to this in the future, but it's lockdown. You know, people are like, there's warring you know, everyone is so against each other. So, I mean, I guess it's, I don't want to say just a super fluffy type of thing of connecting with someone or listening to people, but maybe just about going back to the diet and lifestyle is if you're open-minded and reasonable with people in general and not starting wars, I mean, friend groups have been breaking up in this time, you know? So if you are understanding of people, if you're welcoming of differing opinions.

If you, right, vegan versus carnivore. If you, I want to step back and look at both sides and see what the commonalities are. So now it works in the diet world, but it also works in the bigger world where I want to hear your side. And I think that's what I've done best in my journey is look at both sides and everything works better when you are, you know, open to new information and not. staying in your little world. So I guess that's, you can do this on a grand scale and maybe people would be happier and not fight so much. And if you do it on the dietary scale, maybe we would figure out nutrition and you could, right, just be healthier. Yeah, I agree. I think you're right. If we are, if we're going to fight over vegan versus carnivore, how the heck are we going to come

together as humanity? And so I call it the rise above. Like if you have both sides, how do we i love this idea of coming to the middle and then let's rise above it let's elevate the conversation let's accept the fact that we're not going to agree upon everything but if we're going to be violent about our nutritional habits and criticize people for that how are we ever going to come together on other issues i think you're absolutely right so yeah this was awesome thank you for letting me pick your brain and thank you for doing a movie i that is definitely something i never want to partaken, but I love to sit on my couch and see movies like yours and get that out to the world. So, so grateful for you. Thank you so much for taking your time, Brian. Sure thing. Thanks

for having me on and spreading the word. Yeah, and we'll put links to your, to your movies. So Resetters, if this information was powerful for you, please go to his website, donate, get involved in the work that he's doing, understand it, teach it, share it. We have to empower ourselves so we can empower others. So thanks Brian. Thank you. Uh-huh. Okay, resetters. So I hope that you are as angry as I am right now. Yes. I think part of why we wanted to bring him on is because our food industry is a hot mess. And we are so grateful for the work he's doing to bring this to people's attention. But I am, the more I understand what the food industry is doing to keep our taste buds in a certain lane to the cut costs on ingredients. It is a criminal act and it needs to change. Well, it's a business.

Like they're out to make money and keep you coming back for more and more and more. Their main priority is not to keep you living, unfortunately. The problem that I have is I always always want to believe in the good of people. And I struggle when I think about people who would actually put an ingredient into a product knowing that it's cancer causing, knowing that it's going to create a metabolic syndrome, knowing that it's going to create inflammation. And I struggle because I just, I don't want to believe in evil people. But I think what perhaps happens is they just look the other way. They allow the science to come in that says it's okay, and they just look the other way so that they can only see they become linear in their focus. So they only see people are going to love the taste of this and it's going to make us a lot of money.

And they are pushing out the theories that are the research that says this is harmful. I often wonder too if, you know, when they think, when they go to create something, if they think, well, there's already so many other things on the market that could be harming somebody's. health. Like mine's not just the only issue, right? So I wonder if that clouds their judgment of like how impactful really is like the bottle of Coca-Cola. Like they're doing all the other things. It's really not that bad if that's just their one thing, right? Like, I don't know. I just feel like, it's like what Vishin says, you know, with his like new thing that he's trying to do with Coca-Cola and people like that. It's like they're good. We have to believe that they're good people, but that they just don't understand to what effect their product is damaging, like the human body.

Yeah, I would say this, I would definitely agree with you. It's like they just aren't thinking about the long-term challenges that their products are creating. But here we sit in, you know, this pandemic. And one thing that has were, you know, this is four months, three months after we all have gone into quarantine. And one of the things, that I think that is becoming very clear in the research is that the people that are the most vulnerable to the coronavirus are the ones with metabolic syndrome. And so I actually put a post on Facebook that was something along the lines of the enemy is not the virus. The enemy is the food industry. And people, most people were like, yes, yes, yes. But then there's about 10, 20 percent of people are like, that doesn't make sense. What are you talking about? You know, why would the food industry be the enemy. And so I still feel like people are asleep when it comes to food. They think if they

walk into the market, the fact that it's on the shelf means it's safe. Right. Yes. Well, and that the FDA and the food industry has their back. Yeah. And that's not true. The food industry is putting stuff on the shelf to pacify your taste buds. They're not putting things on the shelf to make you healthier. Now, the labeling will all be towards making you healthier if you think you're buying something really natural. Like gluten-free has gotten really, I call it junk food gluten-free. Like, it has gotten so toxic. So, you know, I just think my hope for you guys as you listen to this episode is that you really wake up and see that we've got to start questioning the quality of ingredients that we have and that we're given. And we need to vote with our

by not buying that crap. Right. So that the food industry knows we're not happy. Yes. Well, I think now during quarantine, if we could put a positive spin on quarantine, is like you and I have this mass love for Italy. And, you know, one of the things I love about Italy is they shop daily. Like, they buy their ingredients fresh.

They go home. Cooking a meal is a thing. Like, it's not a hassle. It's part of being in a family. So I feel like, you know, here in America, We pride ourselves on being busy and we don't have time to do any of that. And so we grow to the grocery store and we buy bulk, things that can stay in our pantry for, you know, six months. And I would like challenge people during this time, especially if you've got kids at home, like teach them how to cook and buy fresh ingredients and, you know, start to change the way that we're that we're operating, I guess.

Agreed. And I also think for you guys to think about this, I hope with this episode that you are thinking deeply about the food that you're buying. But one of the things that came up in this episode and then I've had other conversations with Brian and he actually interviewed me on his podcast is that there are two businesses that are two businesses that are driving your health, whether you're aware of it or not. One is big pharma and the other is the food industry. And they actually get richer as you get sicker. So because they are able, like especially big pharma, they are able to, the more you need their drugs, then you're going to be on those for life. There is no financial incentive for them to have you get off the drug.

And in the food industry, there is no financial interest for you to stop eating the food. So they put chemicals in those foods to make sure that you become addicted and that you come back for more. And they have studied all the neurochemical reactions that happen when you eat salty, when you eat sweets. And they're going to actually manipulate that food so that it hits dopamine receptor sites and it creates an addiction. Well, it's why people can eat a whole bag of, like, Lays potato chips or ate an entire pizza. I mean, they've done, wasn't it Jamie Oliver that did that food study on like ingredients? I think he, I thought he did one on pizza about how they put,

like the specific chemicals in pizza so that you end up eating a whole one and then you feel like crap afterwards. But yeah, the next day you'll want it again. Like it's that addiction to the food. It's actually really similar to our phones. If you think about it, we're all now addicted to our phones. And we can't put them down because they're creating a neurochemical change in our brain. So this is what the food industry is doing is it's creating a neurochemical change in your brain so that it makes it very difficult to overcome eating that food. And honestly, this is where I love fasting because if you can implement, start to implement a fasting lifestyle, it really is one step, you've got one step in the door to overcoming this addiction. Yeah. So incredible. And you guys, his movie Food Lies is in

process. He's trying to get it to all of us. It will be great to share with your friends. It'll be great for us to understand. I'm very intrigued to hear the whole history of food. Did you also hear that he said our digestive system was changing? Do you remember that part? Yeah. And well, and I think the size of our brain, right? Yeah. Yeah. Or like now adapting in a negative way because of the quality of food. Yeah. So if you care about the direction that our health is going, if this topic really resonated with you, please go donate to his film because he's trying to do some amazing work in the world. and I can imagine making a film is anything easy. Well, no, we've talked to so many people making documentaries and films,

and there's nothing easier, cheap, about the process. And I would say, too, if this resonated with you, share it out so that more people can start to understand the bigger picture of what's going on. Yeah, there needs to be a tipping point because, again, you know, just like the post I made on Facebook, we have so many people that in this moment of a health crisis have no idea that when they're going into, the store that they're actually buying food that is making them immune compromised. They're thinking

immune compromised as people with lung conditions or they're an age. But what they don't realize is that the food they're eating, the soda they're drinking, every single day is making them immune compromised. And then they feel like putting the mask on or hoping for the vaccine is going to be the answer when really the answer is starting to look within and making changes to your food so that you can be immune strong again. So enjoy. I hope you enjoyed it. And again, let us know your thoughts on it, share it out to the world.

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