The Ricochet Podcast - No Safe Spaces with Ann Coulter
Episode Date: June 17, 2022There are too few refuges for free speech. But on Ricochet our cup overfloweth! To keep things going full speed, we asked our friend Ann Coulter on to dish out an abundant full scoop. She’s just lau...nched her new Substack and podcast to push back on… well, just about everyone who she believes is getting in the way of freedom, America and the families who make it great. As is her wont... Source
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Welcome, everybody. This is the Ricochet Podcast, number 598.
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conversation on the site which we and we will be thrilled to see there so and peter robinson would
say the same thing too except he's too exhausted from having dealing with the vagaries of american
air travel which apparently is bad recently.
Everyone's complaining about it.
One of the things that I don't hear, because everyone's moaning about the delays and the cancellations
and the crew and the rest of it, is the fact that it's expensive.
Again, air travel is expensive, and it hurts when you make those reservations,
because it's, you know, I should have done it last week, now it's twice as much.
Almost as if the price of fuel in the Biden administration to do things like signal their intentions with the closing of pipelines and the denial of leases.
Almost as if that has a rippling psychological as well as economic effect on the industry.
This week, gentlemen, the president wrote a letter.
And he sat down, pen and quill in hand, and wrote a letter to the oil companies.
He was angry that they'd failed to restore the refining capacity.
It's like, okay, we're going to make biofuels now.
Great.
We're making biofuels now.
No, don't.
It's incoherent.
The idea that this country, which has so much energy, so much, and was energy independent, was exporting, is now in a position of going cap in hand to the Saudis and saying, can you please give us another cup, is maddening.
But it's something that everybody knows, right?
Unless they're fixated on January 6th and believe that that is the true thing that we should all be spending time on.
Because, of course, you can't think about both.
Yeah, I mean, can't think about both yeah i mean the letter that biden wrote to the oil companies is not nearly as interesting as
the letter that they wrote they wrote back you can find uh the american petroleum institute which
you know like only a president is incompetent upside down as joe biden could make a thing
a lobbying group called the american petroleumroleum Institute, the heroes of the exchange.
Like, you have to be a really bad Democrat, just like incompetent Democrat, to make the American Petroleum Institute come out as heroes.
They wrote, I guess, this three, four page letter.
We should put a link to it.
It's really great.
I mean, it's kind of 101 energy policy, energy policy sort of description uh it's a really good primer to
understand how that gas got in your tank and what the costs were associated with there's a couple
sentences in which are like hey listen refinery capacity and exploration are all forward thinking
things that we plan for in advance and your administration keeps saying and you keep saying
that you don't want anyone to use any fossil fuels and your administration keeps saying, and you keep saying that you don't want anyone
to use any fossil fuels
and you keep regulating fossil fuels
and you keep regulating cars.
You keep promising you'd do even more.
So don't come to us now and say,
hey, where's that all that oil that I thought you had?
Because you're the one who told us to stop doing it.
I mean, they say it nicer,
but you know, I just said this on this three martini lunch.
You know, that letter went through some really great drafts it i mean they say it nicer but you know i just said this on this three martini lunch you you
know that letter went through some really great drafts that probably included some extremely
salty language from of the people paying for the american petroleum institute that was then the pr
people probably resorted and took it out wisely but boy i'd love to see the first draft of that
but unlike the supreme court of the united states the american petroleum institute doesn't leak its
early drafts yeah good thing yeah yeah well when they leak it's generally into the groundwater
i'm kidding i'm a big fan of the american petroleum institute they sent me through college
in as much as my dad had a gas station so yes i don't have the same animus against petroleum that
most people do it is a useful substance and it does tend to underpin everything so we not only
have gasoline prices we have diesel prices which again compound the price of absolutely everything which leads to
inflation which by gosh may lead to something called a recession and everybody's stroking
their chin and saying wonderful we're going to be in a recession i think we already are
right and yeah probably in a way in a way it's almost sort of a relief in a grim way.
But you know that you have to have the troughs.
And we've had a peak for some time.
And things have been coming along nicely.
Generally, employment is down, et cetera.
But you know it has to happen at some point.
And you'd rather have it happen in the Biden administration so that people can see plainly the things that cause these things
i mean some of them are just natural ebbs and flows of the economy but when you have inflation
that is caused by too much spending and all the other ancillary things we have people look around
and say is there a way that we can fix this because the guys in charge don't seem to be doing
so i mean biden didn't even come up with a charles charles cw cook at a piece about that biden is
proposing to send people more money to to print some more money and send it to them.
Right, that's the problem.
Which betrays an absolute ignorance as to how we get these things in the first place.
I mean, the administration is telling us that the economy is great and that people are grateful for it.
But do you think they believe that?
It doesn't matter what they believe.
Here's the big take from Washington.
Rob and I met in Washington on Monday evening at a memorial service for P.J. O'Rourke.
I spent the following three days there.
And here is the shocking news from Washington.
The Biden administration is over.
Nancy Pelosi is done.
All the pollsters are picking up a swing of at least five points.
If the election were held today, not only would... If it were held today, of course, there's time
between now and November. But if the election were held today, Republicans would not only sweep to a
majority in the House of Representatives, but recapture the Senate with as many as 54
seats. Arizona, which used to be a purple, lean Democrat state, if the election were held today,
would be a lean Republican, even, as one pollster told me, he might even put it in the safe
Republican seat. All of Washington knows this. All of Washington knows this. And what that means is that the Biden administration and Nancy Pelosi and the whole woke left, which is in control of the administration and in control of the House of Representatives, is panic stricken to jam through as much as they can in the final few months of their time in office. It's a very strange experience to talk to people in Washington, run around town, get
up to Capitol Hill, and discover that whereas the country seems to be dominated by the January
6th hearings, which are backward-looking. Incidentally, even the political fallout of that,
Republican operatives, the Democrats are doing the most, the trickiest problem Republicans face
is persuading Donald Trump not to run again. And the Democrats are helping. The Democrats
are helping to eliminate Donald Trump, leaving themselves with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. It's just unbelievable.
So as an American and as a Republican, this is, I mean, as a Republican and a journalist, this is a great time to be,
the big stories are unfolding just below the surface, which, as you know, for a journalist,
that's the great time to get in on a story when it hasn't become the story yet.
Terrific. But as an American,
the Fed doesn't know what it's doing. We have a president of the United States who's unwell,
whose administration is in disarray with a Vladimir Putin who knows that as well as we
know it with a Chinese president. I mean, the country's in terrible peril right now.
But so you get this strange whipsaw between gloating
and wow this is all really bad that's my take on washington what did you pick up rob uh uh
that's pretty much the same thing i mean i what's what's strange is that you the democrats this
january 6th i mean look i don't just as a political matter
i've said i don't begrudge them going after january 6th that's all they got i mean i don't
know what else they're gonna do that's what they got right um but they've trained their howitzers
on the most un inconsequential political leaders uh who are becoming less consequential every day. So they've trained their howitzers
on people like Rudy Giuliani
and this guy Eastland
nobody ever heard of, who was a lawyer.
He used to be
on the Hugh Hewitt show every week.
Every week, arguably.
Inconsequential to American policy, put it that way.
He's not going to run for the presidency.
He's not a threat to the Democratic majority.
Instead of put it that way he's not going to run for the presidency he's not a threat to the democratic majority um instead of training their howitzers on whatever the policies are that they uh disapprove of on this on the side of the republicans or conservatives or or better yet trumpet their
own policy solutions i mean you know partly that the you know yes uh it's it the massive tone deaf spending uh from
the bide administration and the proposal to spend even more and the massive tone deaf
cultural indicators from the progressive left uh do seem to suggest you know a party and a movement in the process of an emotional neurotic breakdown
i mean i the the fact that there's the last time democrats lost and and felt bereft was um after
the smashing drubbing of um walter mondale in 1984 and the smashing drubbing i think the biggest landslide ever in
1988 uh michael dukakis and they looked around they said okay well now we should we should let
some of the moderates in our party take over so democratic leadership council was started by an
obscure but ambitious arkansas governor bill clinton because there was a bench there because
there were still moderates and chief executives the democratic party they could refer to there
were still people there with the keys to the car um now i don't know where they go i mean i really
don't know who they would go to no for that level of like uh of course correction especially when moderation these days
seems to consist of okay all right we'll be moderate now we will require all of the drag
queens in the story hour to wear underwear right unbelievable oh so excuse me i'm i i skipped that's
the mood in washington while i was there i think this happened that the primary took place, we saw each other, Rob, on Monday. I believe the primary in Texas took place on Tuesday.
I beg your pardon, it wasn't a primary. It was a primary, but it was a special election
way, way, way, way down south in Texas. I think the district concludes Brown's right
on the Rio Grande. And who won? A Republican won. What kind of Republican? A Republican woman. Oh, what kind of Republican woman? A Republican woman who was born in Mexico. an 83% Hispanic district if Democrats are destined to win the Hispanic vote forever?
And how did she win in a district that even before it became Hispanic was so Democratic
that it hasn't sent a Republican to Congress ever? It depends on how you count these things,
but the district has been redrawn, of course, as districts are. But it looks as though
she's the first Republican ever. Well, I'll tell you what she let be known about herself during her campaign, that she
came to this country legally and that she's married to a member of the border patrol.
Get it?
Got her position on immigration?
And here's what her poster said, God, family, country.
Sounds pretty traditional to me. And she won in an 83%
Hispanic district. Shockwaves, shockwaves in Washington. Of course, delight and glee and
prancing around and high fives among Republicans and just the other way around among Democrats.
But this notion that the Democratic Party is this transgender stuff doesn't go down
well at all with Hispanics, that Hispanics are not as open border as the liberals in
the Democratic Party have always thought, now we have a demonstration that it is so,
that Hispanics are moving to the Republican Party.
Right. The Republican Party, Rob, this may be hard for you to take.
It's becoming less and less gin and tonic, country club, your people.
Horrible.
Your people.
What are we going to do?
Yes, and it's the Republican Party that's the open working party.
Yes, I agree with you.
Am I getting too giddy?
Bring me back down to earth.
No, yes, and Texas is a great state to study because Texas was a place with a robust and powerful,
and I think it's something that many times majority Democrat represent representation in D.C.
Definitely.
Because Texas Democrats were conservative democrats because
the democratic party had conservatives in it i mean you know whatever stands for that i mean
lloyd benson who ran for vice president was a pretty conservative i mean basically a pretty
conservative democrat you're you're i just don't have that you you're ralph yarborough back in the
60s and then ann richards there was a liberal strain in the Democratic Party.
And the first thing that happened was that that got stamped out.
And then the second thing, which is what you're leading to, is that the Democrats began shifting to the GOP.
But there was a liberal strain.
Anyway, it's worth noting.
Well, if Texas and the Hispanics in that part of the country tend to move to the right, the Democrats
have only themselves to blame. Because in the name of decolonizing the language, they did a
cultural imposition on the very people they supposedly have the best interests in their
heart. When they started insisting that we have to decolonize the spanish language and and call everybody latinx right
latinx as it looks like you had people who otherwise gave this sort of thing no thought
whatsoever looking at each other and saying what are they talking about well they're trying to
de-gender the language because they're trying to decolonize the language and they're trying to
make everything according to the new gender specific specifics by the way latinx is difficult enough to say in english in spanish it's impossible it's ridiculous right let's so this essentially
is coming from the you know from the the the overclass this is coming from the exactly exactly
down on the other people and telling them what they should think and telling them how they should
speak and write so that is in an effort to be anti-colonialist they're
telling people that their language is bad they should speak english exactly which is exactly
what the colonists said right right right exactly well the whole thing when it comes to uh you know
i i'm always curious as to how we're the bad you you know, America's the bad colonizers and the rest of it.
But Spain and Portugal somehow seem to get a pass in all of this.
Am I wrong in that?
I mean, when it comes to what was done in Central and South America by the Europeans, that seems to be blended into this sort of mist of history that we don't really examine very much or interrogate or unpack, as they like to say.
The Dutch, too, in Indonesia were horrible.
The Belgians and Africa. The Belgians. don't get me started on the belgians oh but the belgians are always
kind of bad you know right it's such an absurd thing to think that the belgians would be the
ones who absolutely have was that great uh great joke that michael kane says in uh in uh one of
the austin powers movies because there's two kinds of people I hate. The kind that divide people
into ethnic groups
and the Dutch.
Oh, there's the money.
The New York State official
New York State policy, just a friend of mine
sent me this yesterday, is to ask,
is to give you a choice.
Hispanic, Latinx,
or Spanish origin. You can choose.
So you're not allowed to be offended anymore
because they're giving you a broad variety
of acceptable ways to describe yourself
if you are of that origin.
Well, the Monty Python sketch, of course,
where they're trying to come up with the most
cutting insult for the Belgians.
The first entry was,
let's just call them Belgians.
That's bad enough.
Applause.
But the winner of our
insult contest is dirty rotten stinking belgians which is you know comes to mind and i think they've
been trying to atone for that for many many years hey you know i just shouted here and i am at the
office but the thing of it is is there's nobody here to hear me shout uh it's kind of like space
uh problem is is that on tuesdays everybody Tuesday. Yes, Rob, that was an alien reference.
Yes, but no one can hear you scream.
Right.
I was referencing that.
I was implying that phrase known by all.
I'm just enjoying the idea of you in your office screaming, which I guess if I keep interrupting you, we'll all be able to see.
Well, you will.
You will all be able to see on the Zoom feed, but nobody's here.
But they are here on Tuesday where a lot of people are around.
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on the shy side you're gonna draw her out and culture the author of 13 bestsellers all with the
oh you know timid titles like resistance is futile how the trump hating left lost its collective mind
and others uh which i'm sure you've read and enjoyed but she's decided to branch out and hence
she's launched a new substack called Unsafe.
She's got a podcast, too,
so we wanted to bring her on and tell us all about her new life.
So welcome, Anne.
New substack.
Does it cost money, and what do people get for it?
Well, the first month is free, but that's dwindling.
Then the first week is free, I guess, if you're new,
and then it's only $5 a month.
So this is unfettered. This is the sort of stuff that if you're new, and then it's only $5 a month. So this is unfettered.
This is the sort of stuff that if you'd given it to a publisher or a syndicate or something like that,
they would have given it back to you with tongs and said, there's no way we can put this out in public.
Is this Ann Coulter unmasked, unbound with speaking as freely as you possibly ever have?
Yes, it's really, I mean, it's not like I've been particularly seemingly bound before.
But I realized when when Elon Musk was when it broke that he was going to buy Twitter, there was you probably know there was like two weeks of freedom on on Twitter.
I love Twitter. And just for example, me in seven years, I went from zero followers to 2.2 million.
Then in 2018, Twitter took away 200,000 followers one day.
And for the next four years, I never got another follower.
So I'm thinking something's going on.
And I realized during that week, there was the brief period of apparently some of the shadow bans being lifted.
Well, it's back and forth now.
But beyond that, it was it was just realizing the freedom I had.
And probably once a day there was something I wouldn't tweet for fear.
And I have been suspended from both Twitter and Instagram temporarily for pro Rittenhouse tweets.
Kyle Rittenhouse, who you will recall a year later, not guilty.
So thank you. Thank you, Twitter. Thank you, Instagram. Even if you had been found guilty,
I think in this country, you're allowed, you are innocent until proved guilty, and you're allowed
to put up a defense, as you know, GoFundMe threw him off. Well, Substack, there is no censorship.
And one thing i really like about
it is no ads um probably i don't know how much of it will continue to be free um if you want to
comment you have to pay the five dollars a month if you want to do the ask and anything you have
to pay five dollars a month um but that's worth it yeah it's that you know the price of a quarter
it's the price of not quite a gallon of gas here in California.
Yeah, a quarter gallon of gas.
Right.
Thanks to the Putin price hike.
All right, so, Anne, the Substack is available.
You got a podcast.
I know I'm a little, I wouldn't say cross, but I'm a little cross because I've been telling you to do this for years.
And each time you kind of like waved your, oh, shut up, stop.
Like, kind of like, I'm too, you know, I don't have time for that.
And now you're doing it.
So tell us, all right, we want to have it on the Ricochet feed.
We're going to try to figure out a way to do that.
We want people to hear it. People hear it. What are hear just and just in their ears wait as if that's not
enough anybody else as if that wouldn't be enough i guess well first of all i want to tell you why
i was right all of those years telling you no i'm not gonna do a podcast okay all right i don't know
that i'm gonna keep doing the podcast and i'll i'll tell you why um i'm i'm a perennial
guest i'm a writer um it's one thing to especially when you're in new york or la have a car sent for
you you show up you have professional makeup artists and hair people to do your hair and the
lighting is set up by lighting guys and everything's perfect. And then the cameras are run by people who know how to run an effing camera.
And then I'm asked questions and I sit down and answer them.
I get a free Diet Coke and then I go outside and I get a car service
any place I want to go in L.A. or New York City.
Wow, that's different from a podcast as you saw me trying to hook up to zoom today well i tried to
hook you into my my zencaster and apparently i could only hear you through my headphones and
i'm not using headphones i'm using earbuds and i have some guy helping me but i'm i'm already
really kind of sick of this what i would like it to be is video, and I'm not sure how long
they'll be. I like the way you guys do it. I think I'll probably do both, but the way I listen to
podcasts is when I'm biking or walking or in the car, and I hate podcasts that are five minutes.
I'm not even going to put it on. I mean mean i may not listen to the full half hour or 45 minutes
or hour but i'll come back to it whereas a five minute podcast you may as well just you have to
sit in front of your computer and keep hitting the button yes load the next one load the next one
so as somebody who does a five minute podcast i gotta tell you i I'm offended. But I've noticed people like them. I think I'm wrong.
I think you're probably right, so I'm going to do both.
Well, those words have never been said in that order.
All right, if you're going to do a five-minute podcast, give us an issue that you think you
could cover in five minutes and say everything you need
to say say everything that you want to say well i've already done a few one was on that weird
performance of matthew mcconaughey at the white house um where he seemed look i know i'm sorry
i'm talking to rob a hollywood guy and i i won't well like Rob accepted you can speak for yourself but I've noticed
everybody in LA just use actor as a synonym for retard um so this is really unfair for me to be
picking on him but what was weird about it if you saw it is he seems to think he's having an
argument with someone about whether killing all these kids gunning them down whether it's a bad
thing and for those of you who say this was
a good thing to do look at this sneaker he's like pounding they was this it was just weird um yeah
we know it's a bad thing now we're going to come up with policies to make this less likely settle
down matthew um another five minute one was um because the first night although i gotta tell you
this has changed probably a huge mistake the first first night of the January 6th hearings, I only watched five minutes
and then had my comments for five minutes. And my five-minute commentary was totally true.
It's just, there's nothing, nothing new. I have to say for the last yesterday i watched hours and hours and hours of the hearings
um and i'm here to report a nothing new b they're really making themselves look like asses um their
big you know point is trump was a douchebag yeah okay we knew that thank you well no wait okay so
ann i just have to before you break all the the language rules we have here at ricochet um let me ask so
like you you you famously wrote a book called in trump we trust correct yes and um followed by what
kind of idiot would vote for that donald trump right so i mean i i don't i mean you can rehearse
the arguments for i mean you and i have already talked about this at length um in in in uh in fancy salons um uh but what i just personally what what is it
you are so phenomenally popular we go i'm out with you and people are like they love you you're a
you're a beloved figure certainly for the american
right how does it feel now to get the emails and the tweets saying you know man i just i can't i'm
not buying any more of your books uh from from self-described conservatives who feel that your
anti-trump stuff is just you cross the line she's a cuck servative how do you like that
i've never heard peter use that word and i never want to hear it because i'm not entirely sure what
it means so let's just move along yeah let's yeah let's just yeah it means my molecular opposite
um well they've dwindled and well first mean, it mostly happened when he was still president.
Um, and I mean, my, I guess my position is, you know, I don't care if the deplorables hate me,
I'm telling them the truth. And I'm mad at Trump for betraying them. Um, what does,
what does massive amounts of cheap labor hurt me? I don't even have kids.
Why should I care about the country? And boy, I'm glad I don't have kids the way the country is
going. But, you know, it's great. Yeah, I have cheap gardeners and pool guy and cheap maids.
Cheap labor is fantastic for me. The reason I supported trump was on behalf of the left behind my fellow americans
black and white but especially the white working class that has just been stomped on and ignored
for years and the reason i hate trump is that he betrayed them he lied to them so okay you guys
deplorables you may hate me but i'm still trying to save the country for you.
And could I come in? You did a piece, I don't know where I saw it, because you're everywhere,
and I've been traveling the last few days, so this was someplace that I saw something you'd
written. It's impossible to go into a dentist's office in America without finding something that
Ann has written on the waiting room table or Twitter feed. All right. Somebody attacked you for saying, and the attack was in
effect, how can you be against Donald Trump when the media hates him? And you wrote a really quite
brilliant and witty reply saying, good impulse, good starting point. If the media hates somebody
and you hate the media, we have something to talk about. Could I just adjust that question
a little bit? You mentioned January 6th. Here's how we do the podcast. I ask one question and
they get out of the way. That's a five-minute podcast. So here's the question. There are
loads of people who say, yeah, okay. Maybe he did lose his mind after January 6th. And
maybe Ann is right that after talking about the wall,
the wall, the wall, he should have built more than 47 miles of it. But even at that, that
man was more sinned against than sinning. The intelligence agencies we now know were
corrupted against him. We now know that the whole Russia hoax originated with the Clinton campaign, and it's now on the record.
Someone testified under oath that Hillary Clinton herself approved this hoax. And there's just an
impulse to see some justice done. And here's Anne saying, oh, just forget that loudmouthed jackass.
He's betrayed us all. Well, yeah,
maybe he did betray us, but somehow we need to get back at what they did to him first.
Now, that strikes me as a commendable impulse, and it's among, I feel it, and a lot of good
people feel it, and I'm sure Ann understands it and knows how to say, here's how you live with it.
Over to you. Well, first of all, I think you can
think the media are scum, the intelligence agencies scum, the entire Democratic Party scum,
and Trump betrayed his voters. I think you can hold both positions. I hate both.
I think I tweeted a long time ago, how about if I hate Trump and I hate Liz Cheney?
Am I allowed to have that position?
Because that's my position.
And the other thing is, I mean, there was something special about Trump.
But the media was kind of tough on Nixon too.
And the media, not, I would say Nixon, most of all, um, Joe McCarthy, um, Ronald Reagan.
Um, I wanted them to be tough on him and to hate him for doing stuff.
That's why they hated Reagan.
That's why they hated reagan that's why they hated joe mccarthy and i think oh
no that's totally why they hated nixon but more for alger hiss than anything he did as president
he'd done 15 or 20 years before yeah um so all of that is true uh but you can still not you know
make it easier for me to defend you.
There was, this is going to be a weird metaphor and probably going to be sorry I brought it up,
but that shooting in Georgia of those absolutely like Hollywood hicks with their mouths hanging open,
the Ahmaud Arbery case, he comes into the neighborhood.
I tried not to follow the trial. I followed it slightly. And yep, looks like a
pretty big miscarriage of justice to me. But I look at the guys and I say, you got to meet me
halfway. I never tweeted about it. I never wrote about it. And that's what I say about Trump. You
got to meet me halfway on this. And he wasn't. He's not Nixon. He's not
Joe McCarthy. He's not Ronald Reagan.
That's a
pretty big spectrum, by the way.
I know. Even in
Ann's big tent, there's no place for him.
Yeah, right.
Could you just give us a
little TikTok? I saw,
I read your piece yesterday,
I think.
The direct line between supreme court nominee harriet myers her eventual replacement on the nomination for the nomination
and um i guess the decision that we're all going to get from the supreme court in a week
yes that was really the first thing that came to mind.
Well, actually, the first thing that came to my mind when the story leaked was,
oh my gosh, why couldn't they have waited a year?
We're about to clean up in the midterms.
I don't know how this is going to affect it, but I just don't want anything.
And then I'm kind of joking about that.
Obviously, I don't want another two million innocent babies murdered just for our electoral chances.
But then I decided I started watching all the crazy feminists on TV and thought,
whoa, you people are unattractive. And also looking at the polling, I don't think it's
really going to hurt us. And as usual, I think the abortion, if anything, it'll help us be that as it may.
The second thing I thought was we almost didn't get Justice Samuel Alito because that ridiculous
George Bush nominated Harriet Myers, his personal lawyer and the head of the Texas
Lottery Commission. And I remember that time and I wrote about this for The Spectator in their diary section. It was the last time, well, maybe not the last time, but the first time, one of the last
times. I was fighting shoulder to shoulder with David Frum. We came out right, I mean, the day it
was announced. Drudge had been telling me days before it was announced, oh, it's going to be
Harriet Meyers. And I said, no, it isn't Drudge. They leak names to just do the person up, have their name appear in the
mainstream. It's not going to be Harriet Meyers and then announcement, Harriet Meyers. So I
instantly wrote up a piece denouncing the decision and Drudge threw it up. And all of Fox News was peddled to the metal for Harriet Myers because they are
the official RNC station. I was banned from Fox when Trump was running because Rupert Murdoch was
anti-Trump when I started to turn against him during his presidency as he continued to not
build the wall or keep any of his other promises banned from Fox for not sucking up to him enough.
Harriet Meyers.
And I just remember watching this in pain and rage with Brit Hume
and who was that guy, Fred Barnes in the Wall Street Journal,
making these ridiculous arguments on behalf of Harriet Meyers.
Oh, it's elitist to expect an Ivy League
grad. They're all Ivy League graduates. Knock it off. This is an elite position. So it was David
Frum and I emailing and fighting this ferociously while being viciously attacked for two weeks.
And then Robert Bork came out, wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal for Square against Harriet
Myers. And then all the little ninnies and followers flipped and acted as if they had
always been against Harriet Myers. And then we got Sam Alito. And we wouldn't have this opinion
today. But for conservatives willing not to toe the line of the official corporate conservative
media.
And when you said that Drudge told you this and you said to Drudge, are you referencing an imaginary conversation you had with a website or the actual Matt Drudge?
And if it's the actual guy, what happened?
I mean, it fell out of my bookmarks years ago.
But the strangest damned thing I expect, like I'm going to go to Cancun and I'm going to see a guy with a fedora and some small little dingy bar.
It'll be him because he just flipped, took the money, ran and lives a dissolute.
What happened?
If you know the guy, do you know him still?
Yes, I've been seeing him for a while.
I've been talking to him for a while.
I think a lot of people pulled away from politics
after the 2016 election, although, ooh,
it's getting exciting again.
I think it got exciting when Youngkin was elected
in Virginia.
Totally normal people could start paying attention again.
I have no idea.
I have maintained, and this is, I haven't talked to him,
so this is totally not based on, hey, I sold it. I didn't sell it, whatever.
I have a couple of other friends who were very, very, very solid conservatives, my kind of conservative who lost their minds over Trump.
And it wasn't just on Trump. They are now left wing on every single issue down the line
it's the damnedest thing i've ever seen um the only one who was um semi-public so you'll know
what i'm talking about is george conway and he's not the only one of my friends i mean he and i
again fought shoulder to shoulder to get bill cl Clinton impeached. He and I have been,
and I remember, and I think it was a similar process because-
George, we should, for a listen, George Conway is Kellyanne Conway's husband.
And most importantly, the man who helped get Bill Clinton impeached. He's a very smart lawyer. He
was my best friend. I introduced them, in fact. Did you really? I always wondered. All right.
It is the damnedest thing. I mean, it's like we understand having to join forces with the Soviets to defeat Hitler.
Right. But in the process, you do not adapt Marxist Leninism as your governmental model.
I mean, what you managed to do, you can you can have a temporary alliance and the rest of it say, all right, we'll get back to throwing pots and pans and rocks at each other's heads after this. But yes, we've seen some of these people
who now turn around and endorse every single possible Democrat candidate that they can,
as though that somehow is a return to traditional conservative values. They're not even making the
argument that we have to destroy the party in order to rebuild it in a greater, more conservative
image. They've just gone to the other side. Yes.
And leads one to believe that they may not have been entirely sincere in their positions, public and otherwise, beforehand that this has been a post.
In the abstract, I would agree with you.
George Conway was for Trump before Kellyanne Conway was for Trump.
He's held those positions.
I mean, our politics are really
very similar. And I remember talking to both Matt and George, not a lot, but my impression of the
Trump administration was the same way I got increasingly angry at Trump not doing any of the stuff he ran on and basically governing
like Jeb Jeb explanation exclamation point would have was that they were they were feeling the
same frustration. And I think at some point they just snapped. But I'm telling you what was well
thought out. I don't know as much about judge george conway's
really smart he was a partner at walk tell he's thought about this stuff he reads book
trump just something and he's not the only friend of mine it's weird he's sort of the
anti-ronald reagan donald trump so seldom brought out the best in people thank you for mentioning that i
want to ask you guys a question because i have been watching these january 6 hearings and yes
peter i i mean i hate to cite this this jerk who wrote a really stupid
book but it's something like everything trump touches turns to
bleep yeah um that's rick isn't that rick that's rick wilson i think that's rick wilson isn't it
oh yeah one of those guys one of the ridiculous bulwark never trump um and it really is true i
no one left the trump white House with his reputation intact.
Bill Barr, Steve Mnuchin.
Yeah, I'm not. OK, all right.
And I just read his book. In fact, I'm going to write a critical review of it and post it on my
subsect. I mean, some things are great and I still love a lot of great things about him.
But you'll see in my review.
No, there was one person I thought left.
I mean, Bannon, these are the ones who don't left without the reputation.
Giuliani, the second greatest politician of my lifetime after Ronald Reagan.
Those two guys changed my life in measurable ways. Yes. It is forgotten what New York was like in 1991 and when Rudy Giuliani took office.
I happened to live in New York for one year, the last year of what was his predecessor called?
Dinkins.
Sorry?
David Dinkins.
Dinkins, of course.
David Dinkins.
That's how total Rudy's triumph was.
We can't even remember his predecessor.
But everybody said to me, everybody said to me,
long time, get out. For goodness sake, don't buy anything. Get out now. As the garbage piled up on
the streets, you'd drive downtown to wait, you'd wait to get into the Lincoln Tunnel and the window
was squeegee guys, shaky. It was just an assault, a sense of disorder, a sense of decay.
And Rudy turned it around.
It was one of the most magnificent episodes in all of American urban history.
And Rudy Giuliani has gone out of his mind.
And Don Eastman was the one I was thinking about, who was a very respected lawyer.
I read his stuff.
I liked his stuff. was a very respected lawyer. I read his stuff. I liked his stuff.
Everybody I knew respected him.
Do you guys have any theory on this?
Is it just a reverse Midas touch?
Well, I mean, you know,
I think in a,
you look at it in a transactional way,
there are people,
there are successful people in business and who've made a lot of other people rich.
And there are people who are successful in business who've made other people poor.
And Trump is the latter.
Nobody's gotten rich with him.
Banks have lost a lot of money with him.
And that pattern is in his life i mean that and you know you compare him to somebody else who's like well you know
bill gates i guess elon musk i mean there are people who like you i made a lot of money with
that guy i invested in him i believed him and he the pie got bigger warren buffett's the same way
have you ever gone to omaha ever gone to that that town in omaha where he has his annual meeting
the berkshire hathaway there's people there who like I got rich with Warren Buffett
I didn't
I was born
they always do these profiles of people
I was born in a one room farmhouse
and now look at me I'm a multi-millionaire
because I invested with Warren Buffett
nobody says that
about Donald Trump
and I want to push back
you can use that in your sub stack Ann I want to push back. You could use that in your sub stack, Anne.
Yeah.
I want to push back slightly and then give you one more little podcasty, one more little bite-sized question.
The pushback a little bit is, I'll be looking forward to what you say about Bill Barr's book.
I think Bill Barr is a kind of heroic figure.
And there were people who did the following they went in to hold it all together because they
viewed donald trump on the policy was better politics grown-ups in politics make choices
and donald trump was better than hillary clinton and once he got elected somebody some buddies had
to go in and hold it all together bill Bill Barr is probably the best known of these,
but there are people who will, who at great risk to their own reputations, and indeed I am sure
they will be, in some ways, some people will never be able to, for example, if you were in
the counsel's office, Pat Cipollone, I think, is another heroic figure. He's going to have to
explain his association with Donald Trump trump in washington law firms for
the rest of his career but he did it and he did it honorably there are some people
but they didn't make the news and that was precisely the point it was a kind of self-sacrifice
on behalf of the country to hold things together that's my little pushback but i want to hear what
you have to say about bill barr no i agree. And actually, I'll even say more than that about Barr. He is part of that Washington elite culture. And I'm incredibly
impressed that after Trump pulled the greatest senator out of the United States Senate, humiliated him, destroyed him. Trump is like
the guy who has an affair with a married woman, breaks up the marriage and then divorced,
refuses to marry her. So you got rid of Sessions in the United States Senate.
And now you're just going to humiliate him, stamp on him, and we get a Democrat senator. Anyway, at that moment, Barg, I'm sure all the people around him, and as he says in his book,
all the people around him, including his family, were saying, you're not going to work for this
man. Not only you're not going to work for this man, but he, like Bob Dole, something I admired
about Bob Dole, openly, publicly voted for Donald Trump in 2016. These Republicans who said, oh, no, I won't vote for him.
You know, screw you.
I held my nose and voted for Bush.
I held my nose and voted for McCain.
You vote for a deplorable president for once,
who turned out to be a con man, which I knew.
But at least he was saying the right things.
So there was some shot of him actually doing them
i have to say that uh just in your defense the book you wrote in trump we trust in which you
endorse enthusiastically endorse the candidacy of donald trump for the presidency includes in it some of the most insulting language to describe Donald
Trump that I don't think there's been a political or a pro-candidate screed ever written that was
that nasty I mean this is something you come to new like you were saying things
the southern bumper sticker in the David Duke election vote for the crook it's important
americans know how to make these choices uh and peter's got a question for you but before go ahead
but before he does um and this is for the people who are watching this in the zoom and do you think that peter at the moment looks like um i'll hold that thought peter asked the question then we'll get back looks like now i'm
extremely peter sellers peter sellers impersonating david lynch and i say that with all hey that's
pretty good you're much better looking peter don't be freaked out no it's a compliment it's the black
glasses it's the black lynch is a very stylish man so i'm these are out no it's a compliment it's the black glasses it's the black is a very
stylish man so i'm these these are all this is all a compliment that's just the look but i realize
now it's a zipper a pullover and not some sort of because i one piece black plane was delayed
nine hours last night i got no sleep and i'm i'm in my pajamas underneath this that's that's the
truth but answer answer answer do that again we had to play Night Train to go along with that.
Do that again.
Just do a little bit of this.
Oh, there we go.
He's taking it all off.
Here's my next setup for another little podcast, Ann.
Or a column, actually.
I give this to you for free.
Do with it anything you'd like.
Excellent.
So here's what we've got.
I just spent a few days in Washington and the polling right now, I talked to several pollsters, including one very senior guy who
certainly would not want me to mention his name. Because as you know, the pollsters make their
real money from corporations and they don't want to be associated publicly with their political
calls. The swing across the swing, even in Arizona to the GOP is at least five points right now.
If the election were held today, Republicans would sweep to a victory in the House.
On my pollster, we went race by race by race. They would end up with 54 seats in the Senate.
We will recapture Arizona, among other. Georgia is close. Nevada is ours,
if the election were held today. The minimum we do, he thinks, is 51. Okay, recapture the Senate.
And then the next generation down of presidential contenders, led, of course, by Ron DeSantis,
the governor of your state, is remarkably impressive. Add to all this that in a special
election just yesterday, a woman born in Mexico, married to a border patrol agent,
won in a Democratic district that is 83% Hispanic. It looks to me as though conservatives could be on the kind of rolling edge,
the forward edge of a 20-month wave that could place us in office and save the country and issue
in a decade or a decade and a half of limited government, strength abroad, standing up to China, we could
be this close to another kind of revival of the kind that took place in the 1980s.
And I'm just giving you the chance to be as optimistic as I sort of feel. And this,
of course, is all predicated on one person. Donald Trump must rededicate himself to the game of golf yeah well there are other
solutions um but he does have to go away um what are the other solutions are we talking ball ball
gag and gimp box here wait wait we've already we're already in the middle of a settlement of a very large case.
Let's not invite Ann to take down our entire enterprise.
I've even gotten deplorables to agree with me recently.
This is how I know the number of Trump diehards is dwindling.
It used to be people would get more annoyed with me for saying this.
Now, alleged Trump. Oh, yeah, you're right.
The best thing that could have happened to well the
republican party the conservative movement and thus the country would be if 2016 election night
woohoo trump comes out 2 a.m he won he won because the campaign was all he ever accomplished um
everybody's happy we're dancing and then he has a heart attack and dies and pens takes over i'm just saying it would be the best
thing that would have happened and coulter ladies and gentlemen and coulter not us yeah yeah number
one your question peter on optimism i i tend to um just to warn you i tend to um go into these
things a little bit pessimistic, partially in reaction to the conservative
Republican Party and especially conservative media's chronic overconfidence.
Pushback I would give you is never put it past Republicans not to blow this 40 billion for
Ukraine. And then I'm a little worried we take over house in the senate and i i i'm i'm mostly pessimistic
about the senate i would love that 51 um senate seats because i mean look look at i mean look at
the individual seats dr oz in pennsylvania i mean i vote for him but but Herschel Walker in Georgia, when you when you look at the actual states, doesn't look quite so perky as the general polls.
And then I'm worried if they do take over. I don't want them to do what the Democrats are doing, which is I mean, you were right, Peter.
This is outrageous. I think people saw it. If they want to know about it, they can look it up.
What they ought to do is keep pop passing popular legislation
let biden veto it just keep putting democrats in a bad position where they have to vote against
locking up criminals they have to vote against um how about one day for election day the constitution
says there will be one election day how about a federal law you can do it however you want state legislatures one day cheat all you want steal all you want do all that drop box but you got one day
just keep passing popular legislation that it's very difficult to vote against and i am terrified
what they will do is we're going to have hearings on operation, what was it? No, what was the, oh, Hurricane,
whatever it was, the FBI thing. Crossfire Hurricane, right, right, right.
Right, right, right. No, please just drop it. Move on. It was bad. There are books about it. We know.
Let President DeSantis come in, and he won't come in if you guys waste your time on hearings um or maybe you have one
little house hearing on that um but we need we need president desantis to just do a lot of cleaning
house move on if only there was some sort of international organization probably taken as a
website but you can get you can get move on dot biz if you want and speaking of tvs
her new business involves extracting money from
you willingly when you go to her unsafe sub stack and subscribe and you will get what you're getting
here and you'll get it how often do you post and a lot it's like twitter except every 10 minutes
yeah okay great 10 minutes all right i get an email from ann coulter every 10 minutes this lady
writes faster than i can read. A year from now when everybody
in the New York Times is still nattering on about the dangers
of unfettered free expression over at the
Substack, well, I'm sure you will feature
prominently in their list of criminals that they
want to make sure don't get hurt again.
But thanks for coming on the podcast. It's been
fun to listen to and
can't wait to see the comments. And again,
Ann Coulter at Unsafe at Substack.
Thanks for joining us and
see you later thank you great to talk to you guys thanks ann bye see you soon rob you have to run i
believe you have yes you have other media duties i believe you're i'm doing gutfeld tonight last
minute somebody had somebody drops out so they call me they used to call me and say no no nobody
dropped out we always we want you and now they they just say, here's who dropped out.
Is it true? Does Gutfeld send a car for you?
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
The reason they send the car for you is so they
know where you are at all times.
They know that you're in.
They actually say something like they send...
They're not great cars.
It's not like... I mean, Uber, WAC,
better. I got a limo when I did the Joan Rivers show.
Those were the old days.
They put me up at the plaza
and they gave me a limo ride to the studio.
Nice. Isn't Gutfeld
the most popular late night show now?
He is the number one late night show in America.
So this is like you going on Carson.
I mean, essentially, this is...
It's me going on Carson in 2022.
There's no Carson. So you got to run, but you're going to Carson in 2022. Right. There's no Carson.
So you got to run, but you're going to change clothes before you go.
I'm going to shower.
I haven't.
I'm still in my basically in my morning walking around in my shorts and T-shirt in the morning.
And the great thing is now I know your neighborhood, too, because I was sitting on your stoop waiting for the ride to go to the airport.
Exactly where that guy's waiting.
And I know exactly the body around the corner on the street,
do they do something about that?
You'd have to be
more specific. Which body? Okay.
Alright.
When you walk to start... No, this is the West Village.
It's very nice.
It's very nice, but the last time that you walked
to your Starbucks, you didn't see a
dead body in one of the... No, nobody
found the body you left okay i did not
leave it i just passed it that's all i'm nobody nobody found that you're you're okay right now
i probably narrowed it down so much that you're going to be uh you can so rob is somewhere in
new york where there's a starbucks close by and perhaps a person sleeping in the doorway that
does narrow it down i apologize for all the uh people who are not going to be thronging your
house for autographs go go go go go go, go, go on Gut Field. Thank you very much, fellas. Next week.
Go be funny.
And by the way, you know, Rob does this, I think, for free because he just loves the Gut Field show.
Well, at least he has a car.
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Well, Peter, if Rob were still
here, he would be... If Rob were still here,
he would have screwed up that beautiful
segue.
He'd be touting all the virtues
of membership and the rest of it.
Yes, that's true.
He would be saying things like there's the Byron York show DC with Molly,
great success.
He would be telling you that there are upcoming meetups.
As he said, IRL, he used internet slang in real life.
Yes.
He'd tell you that they're going to be get together set for June 25th in
Charlotte, North Carolina and heck July 29th,
the 31st in Milwaukee, where of course,
America's beer traditions are so deeply rooted. Northern California is set for August, Rob would
tell you, and he would say there's more info to come. He'd also tell you, join Ricochet. He just
goes on and on about that. But Rob isn't here, so I'm not going to say any of those things.
So Peter, we'll end with this. You were out in D.C., I was.
How did the city seem?
Because it took a hit, as did all the big ones.
And small, too.
Fargo had riots and the rest of it.
How did D.C. look to you now?
Healthier?
Downtown, the D.C. that you'd think of as the place where you'd want to show your kids, the mall, the White House, the Capitol. Very unnerving for me anyway. Of course, I lived and worked there a long time
ago now. But so the Washington, D.C., that federal district downtown that's in my mind's eye,
that's in my memory, was quite an open place. You could stroll right up to the Capitol of the
United States and walk up the steps and go in the front door. And you could get pretty close to the, you
could walk down Pennsylvania Avenue right in front of the White House. All the security
corridors have been enormously expanded so that you can't even get into Lafayette Park
in front of the White House.
You're kidding.
Nope, you can't. It's all closed down. You cannot get anywhere
close to the Capitol. And the Capitol, which used to be the most relaxed, actually, I'm afraid we
may have seen some of this in January 6th, the Capitol police, their main duty used to be just
guiding tourists. The Capitol, which used to be the most relaxed, now looks the most
ominous. Police stationed in all kinds of places.
I don't know whether that's justified or whether it's the people who run the United States
Capitol, meaning Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, instructing the Capitol Police to make it
look as though the Capitol is still under threat.
I don't know.
But it's very unnerving.
It does not look the way the people's monuments, the people's White House or the people's Capitol should look.
You're saying you can't get into Lafayette Park?
That's correct.
What do they do with the nuclear freeze protesters who've been there since Ronald Reagan's tenure?
Now, wait a minute. Am I?
I believe, excuse me, I may have to take that back because I believe I did see some protesters set up just across from Pennsylvania Avenue.
Let's put it this way.
There's a heavy police presence around Lafayette Park, and it looked to me as though it was blocked off.
That may not be strictly true.
You may be able to get in there, but you're going to be carefully watched every moment if you are there.
Well, I remember the Free D.C. that you described right before it got clamped down.
I mean, when I worked there in the 90s, yes, you could walk right past.
You could walk right past the White House.
You could run your hand along the fence as you walked past.
You could drive past it, for that matter.
Well, here, it's a beautiful day.
There's not a cloud in the sky.
And I was walking to work for my car. And as I was walking from car, I park in this apartment residential area. It's only about two or three blocks to the office tower. It's a wonderful 50 a company that does nothing but insure insurance
and there's a company that does nothing but arrange for um the cargo that comes here to get
there they don't own any trucks they just are the people who arrange for this to get there right
the american economy is just full of these fascinating yes so as i walk out of my car
i'm about half a block and i smell something that just stops me because it's such a delicious summer aroma. It's not jasmine. It's not the lilac bushes. It's hot dogs. It's a little early
in the day, I think, for this, and maybe I'm missing... Am I getting this right? Is it the
first sign of some brain tumor like Gershwin smelling a pencil or something? No, I smell
hot dogs. And I think, well, you know, we're supposed to have these days something more
fancy. We're supposed to have the artisanal bratwurst, stone ground mustard with the IPA
beer and the rest of it. But there's still the smell of an American hot dog on the grill
with a bun is so wonderful to just catch out of nowhere. And it brings you back 20, 30 years to
your 40 years to your own childhood. It brings you back to when you made them for the kids, brings you back to fairs that you went to, brings you back 20 30 years to your 40 years to your own child it brings you back to when you made them for the kids brings you back to fairs that you went to
brings you back to neighborhood uh you know um organizations that would have the hot dogs for
for make a buck or two american hot dog in summer and then you think if i bring this up on the
podcast everybody's going to be nodding their head and saying it's a wonderful thing and maybe
i should leave that for the 600th podcast when we try to make everybody happy. Because the
minute you start talking about that, and I described the fact that I like ketchup on my
hot dog, instantaneously, the brass knuckles come out. That's an absolute abrogation of the spirit
of it. You can't do that. You should only have mustard on it. What do you mean ketchup on a
hot dog? Are you mad? And then we argue about that. So in my head, I'm sort of playing out
how everything eventually devolves into some sort of bitter little internecine war. And then we argue about that. So in my head, I'm sort of playing out how everything eventually devolves into some sort
of bitter little internecine war.
And then I look up at the sky, which is cloudless, and I see this small little silver object,
the plane, with two gorgeous contrails coming off of it as it climbs into the sky to disappear
forever.
And I realize how warm it is and how clear and how still everything is clean.
It's not back to where it was before, but it's not boarded.
The fences are down.
They're not mad people roaming the streets.
I'm not afraid for my safety.
And I've just smelled hot dogs.
And even though inflation is what it was, the savings are cratering and the market is
doing what it's doing and all of these things.
And all of these things, you just have to realize at some point a day in june in a good place is is is a sign that really sometimes everything is just absolutely
wonderful and you have to treasure those moments because they're going to be ruined the moment you
turn around the corner and get an email or a tweet. But I hope that everybody this weekend has a moment like that, just absolute,
I'll take this.
I'll take this.
I'll remember this.
I'll put this one away because this is what we're here for,
not the yelling and the screaming.
Yeah, we're here for the yelling and the screaming,
but also just for stopping and breathing and looking at the sky
and seeing the marvels and the miracles and realizing, wow, what a country still.
Peter, any plans for the
weekend? Any television show you'd like to tell people you're
watching? I have a recommendation that you may
like, and actually most people, I don't know.
It depends if you like
the slow burn sort of strange
show, but I started
watching something called Night
Sky, which has
J.K. Simmons and
Sissy Spacek in it, and they're just
tremendous. And this is an
old married couple. This is
season one? Or it's one of these things that
we know it's only four episodes?
No, it's season one, and there damn
well better be a two, because
it's...
All we know about this couple when we see the opening
sequence is this old...
Oh, the early 70s, let's say. She's infirm, he's he's not he's big hail farmer type we just see them walk out of the back
of their house they live in a rural place down to the shed they go down the stairs they open up the
door and they get some chairs and turn on the lights and down in their shed underneath their
shed is a room with a huge window that looks out on a completely alien planet and that's all we
know about them at the start i love and they just talk and they just talk about their day and what they do they just come down here
to talk and like i say slow burn takes its time not not action at all but it is lovely
and you are watching i am watching i'm waiting for the second half of the final season of Better Call Saul to drop.
Because they got me through, halfway through, this notion that seasons get divided is a new one, and it's torturing me.
I thought I was watching the final season, and they stopped it halfway through.
All right, so that I will be watching.
I tried on the airplane to download this new Bosch legacy.
That's it, exactly.
We call it Dollar Store Bosch.
Yeah, exactly.
So you're the one who told me a different production company,
and they clearly don't have the money that they had the first time,
but it's still good, right?
I think the speed.
Well, yes. I mean, I love the character. I love Titus willard playing the character yeah yeah i do too so i will i i will watch him do anything i think
missed a huge opportunity i think with this one but there's the second season coming he does stuff
that is just unboshed like this just doesn't fit what they'd established in the show that's too
bad in the in the and and and the idea of him without
authority is interesting because he has he has his own authority we realize of course as a
character as a man of you know certain moral uh beliefs but with but without official authority
there is something different but it no it's worth watching but i've reset your expectation yeah so
what i could download for some reason,
this has nothing to do with,
this is not a complaint against the internet,
it's a complaint against my own usual incompetence,
but I was able to download the latest Michael Connelly novel,
Bosch novel.
He's still producing those.
I was in the mood for a summer sort of beach read,
even though I was on an airplane.
It's called Dead Drop.
Yep.
And, you know.
But it's not a Bosch novel.
I mean, it's mostly ballard his new
character right no no no well no this is definitely bosh this is bosh from beginning to end because
he's about 80 in the books now he's at least 75 i thought this was the most recent i thought this
was a brand new although it did it's clearly set in some earlier time bosh is still vigorous he's
still with the lapd Taxi companies are involved in
this and we never hear of the existence of Lyft or Uber. So it's clearly set in some pre, somewhere
in the past. And you know what? There is a lot to be said for a competent novelist who can handle
a police procedural. You get the crime and then bit by bit, who did it? Why did he do it? Red Herring
and Michael Connelly is a professional. This will not change your life. It does not address,
it doesn't really even attempt to address huge issues of sin and redemption in the state of,
nah, it's a good police procedural, competently done. And boy, is there a lot to be said for that when you're
stuck on an airplane that's the great thing about summer you buy i mean that's the great thing about
it offer authors like connelly is that it's not a guilty pleasure he's a fact he's a he's a very
skilled craft and intelligent yes and sometimes he's not a guy you read for the language but he's
he's not a guy who doesn't know how to use it and so i've never been disappointed with this very well never been disappointed with his books except for the
last one i don't like his new character but that's another story that's another podcast maybe we
better do that uncommon knowledge books with peter robinson and james lollix when they discuss the
genre by the way who did you compare me to day i have to look these people up you said to and that
i looked like somebody doing Peter, Peter Sellers,
Peter Sellers.
I know.
Um,
impersonating David Lynch.
I have no idea who that is.
He was the director of twin peaks.
He's the director of a straight story of a blue velvet,
any number of things.
He has a big shock of,
of,
of gray hair,
but you don't,
but he has,
he has the glasses and there's there was something about when
you were in in shadow somewhat this this what you're wearing that you so enticingly took off
a little while ago looked entirely black like it was some sort of something you would expect
a chic la director to wear that was that was the whole look i i just i thought i would
but i would do that didn't well that is surely, it is certainly the first and
surely the last time I will ever be compared to a chic LA director. So, James, I thank you for that.
That's a beautiful way. Now, don't backtrack on it. Leave it, let it stand. I want to launch
myself into the weekend with that thought in mind. Go out, buy a silk black shirt, wear it around. With the black glasses, people will wonder exactly what new Netflix or Amazon or Hulu or Starz thing you got going.
In the meantime, folks, after you have gone to Ann's thing, and thank you for listening to that podcast,
you might want to consider buying yourself a toothbrush.
They're pretty good.
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