The Ricochet Podcast - Stop The Coupé

Episode Date: August 30, 2019

Our final podcast of the summer and it’s a full one: first up, a deep dive into the IG report on James Comey. Then, Andrew Pollack, whose daughter Meadow was murdered at Parkland High School joins to discuss his advocacy on her behalf and his forthcoming book, Why Meadow Died: The People and Policies that Created the Parkland Shooter and Endanger America’s Students. It’s a sobering but important... Source

I would rather be governed by the first 2,000 people in the Boston telephone directory than by the 2,000 people on the faculty of Harvard University. As government expands, liberty contracts. It's funny, sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is because people are lining up for food. That's a good thing. First of all, I think you missed his time. Please clap. It's the Ricochet Podcast with Peter Robinson and Rob Long. I'm James Lalix.

Today we talk to Andrew Pollack, who's the author of a book on the Parkland shooter, and Toby Young on what is going on in Britain. So let's have ourselves a podcast. Welcome, everybody. It's the Ricochet Podcast number 460-something or other. I don't know. I know that won't frustrate those of you who are scratching out Roman numerals on the wall of your cell. But let's say 462.

How about that? I'm James Lilex here with Peter Robinson and Rob Long. Gentlemen, hello. Hello, hello, James. Hey, James. Speaking of scratching out things on the wall of a cell, Comey won't be doing that. Is anybody surprised that actually Comey's not going to face anything beyond some glowering tweets? It seems as though he did something wrong, knew what he was doing was wrong, and any number of us would be sent directly to the pokey if we did something like that.

Yet, honest to gosh how strange it is that there won't be any personal repercussions. He might even get another book deal out of this. Yeah, he may get another book deal. I'm just satisfied that the IG's report was as thorough and as honest and frankly as scathing as it was. The public accounting is what I have felt we needed. And I have to say it was worse than I supposed. He told Donald Trump to his face when Donald Trump was president-elect that the FBI was not investigating him.

And we know he was lying. They were already investigating him. And Comey had planned to walk out of his meeting with Donald Trump and report on Trump's response to what we now know was a totally false dossier. And I mean, item after item after item, Comey just lied. He just lied. The day after he resigned as FBI director, an agent showed up at his house, routine matter, to remove any FBI documents, and Comey helped him take the documents away, except the documents that Comey knew perfectly well were the important ones. That is his notes

on his meetings with the president. It's just astounding. It's worse than I thought. And now for the cynical but yet zen approach from Rob Long at 30,000 feet. Rob? I'd say that the McCabe thing, I don't – here's what – all I know about McCabe is that I think he should be in prison. Because I think the FBI and federal prosecutors are always setting these traps for ordinary citizens. Not perjury traps, just you can't lie to federal prosecutors are always setting these traps for ordinary citizens not perjury traps just you can't lie to federal prosecutors which is you know it's kind of my like i don't know why you can't lie to somebody for any reason at all but if you put me under oath it's a deposition i'll

tell you the truth but otherwise like you know they bring me in for an interview and if you lie in that interview for whatever reason uh you go to prison that's why martha stewart did time and i think you should do time too and if it's good enough for citizens it's good enough for uh fbi agents but so strange about this as it goes for me it goes hand in glove with the um with uh the the current like as of as of yesterday uh a scandal at msnbc where lawrence o'donnell opened his show, I think Wednesday night by saying, I have information that if true, it kept saying, if true. And what he was saying was that, was that, um, uh, Donald Trump's when he was a private citizen and a builder and a, um, you know, a real estate developer, his loans at Deutsche bank were co-signed by Russian oligarchs, which

if true would explain all sorts of things that if true that, if true, would answer all the questions. And then MSNBC reporter came and said, if true, this would be a skeleton key that would unlock all the mysteries of the Trump era. Now, of course, it turns out that you can't just go on TV and say things, if true, because if I can say anything I want, if true. Right. Right. say anything I want, if true. These people are absolutely so dead sure, dead certain, they're going to find something on Trump that is going to put him behind bars, that they have stopped looking for the thing and verifying the thing, and instead they are acting as if. And it may be that Trump, for all of his jerkitude and all of his, in my opinion, incompetence and all of his absolute unfitness for his job, it may be that he is not, in addition to those things, a criminal. that in America, what you do when a president is elected and has taken office and you don't like him and you have to work for him is that you do the

honorable thing and resign or you run against him. It's very simple. Correct. Correct. I was just going to spout a little bit that what's astounding to me about... We're supposed to let Peter talk more this week. Remember, that's in the comments.

Oh, it is? Rob and James, why don't you let Peter talk more? Wait a minute, I'm trying to remember which icon I used when I put that comment up. Right, right. No, the Larry O'Donnell thing. It's O'Donnell, Mick O'Donnell. It's Lawrence O'Donnell, right? Lawrence O'Donnell. Right. And he's he's he's going through this nonsense the very day after a poll showed that every single one of making? Why this ridiculous nonsense to undermine him as if he's a dictator who's going to be in office until the day he dies unless they can bring him down in the meantime? The democratic process is working.

Donald Trump is under serious threat. If you had to put money on it today, you'd think really long and hard before betting on his re-election. You can say the same thing for Republicans. The Republican Party is shrinking. Not only in its support in the country is shrinking, but the actual number of Republicans shrinks every week, it seems. The office holders are not running for re-election, are resigning. The Republican Party's representation in government is shrinking. Donald Trump is going to probably do worse to the Republican Party than Obama did to the Democrats.

That's what living in a free country is. And the idea that you would mess that up, that Comey and his bureaucrats would mess that up simply because a president was elected they don't like, that's the what you know resign that's the honorable thing you resign and go talk on cnn i i remember this from the old days when i had to take a little oath when i was a presidential speechwriter you do not take an oath to the president you take an oath to the constitution and the constitutional process it is unbelievable in a certain sense that over 200 years later, this document still, now, by the way, I should say, Comey, of course, thought he was acting on behalf of the Constitution. Not at all.

He was subverting it. The document is robust enough to handle all of this. It's just the amazing thing is that they had so little faith. What it comes down to is that James Comey, who says i love the country i love the fbi i love the department of justice that's why i did what he did what i did what he loves is himself he had his job so little faith in the constitution of the united states and in the processes by which the deliberate considered judgment of the american people eventually make themselves felt even in Washington. So little faith in this democracy tested and tried over more than two centuries that he said to

himself, what this country needs is James Comey. It's me. I'm the solution. Well, only I can fix it, is what James Comey said to himself. But I was having a conversation with a friend of mine who's on the left. And we're talking about the FBI director. I'm saying, well, you know, the thing that these people do traditionally is you make a big stink and you resign and you send a letter and then you're the great man who resigned. And that's a standard drama that plays out in D.C. all the time. And if you don't like the new boss you quit and i got a very stiff response the president is not the boss of the fbi director oh yes he is no the president's not the boss the fbi director and then this was a phrase with his phrase was traditionally the fbi

director has been above it meaning and i said you mean hoover you mean jay you're now nostalgic for the relative progressive policies of J. Edgar Hoover. That's the kind of FBI director you want? And the tradition was not that presidents left J. Edgar Hoover alone because he was this saintly figure who genuinely was above it. The fact was that Hoover had dirt on everybody in Washington and they were afraid of him. No, your friend probably doesn't miss Hoover as Hoover, although Hoover may have had some sort of transgressive element in his private life that makes him a little bit interesting. But no, what your friend wants is for a good Hoover.

Your friend being on the left wants the untrammeled expansion of state power to be able to do whatever it wants to do because whatever it wants to do, if it's leftism, is good for everybody. is thin as the paper itself, is the thickness of the glass that protects it is thicker than their love of the Constitution and dedication to it by a factor of 100. Because in the end, what they want are all the good things. And that's why I don't understand Lawrence O'Donnell and the rest of them so myopically believing, as with the rest of the party, that because Donald Trump is bad, bad, bad, bad, bad,

and if Donald Trump at some point took a loan from an oligarch to build something, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised. What matters to me is how he acts. And if he acts in a way that strengthens our relationship with Eastern Europe and acts in a way that expands our energy exports so that we can put the screws to Putin in that respect, then that matters more to me than something he did business wise 10, 15 years ago. But even if I believe that Donald Trump himself had somebody co-sign that loan, I am not going to think because of that we need to destroy the entire insurance industry of America, put everybody involved in it out of work,

and gather into the government's arms another power which will never be wrested from it. So, I mean, the amusing thing is to watch this whole party simultaneously doing the you don't like Trump, we don't like Trump, and then at the same time coming up with a message that guarantees a lot of people who were skeptical before or on the fence or wishy-washy are going to say, look, that last one, that wasn't flight 5093, you know, it just wasn't. But this one over here, these guys, if they want the green new deal, if they want to take away my car, if they want to expand the ability of the state to tell me where to work and where to live and how to drive and when to drive and how to get there and all the rest of these things, if the mentality that says we are concerned about the temperature of your shower and the type of light bulb you use is extended to every single atom of my daily existence. No thank you. And that's all I'm getting from these guys. Except Amy Klobuchar, who for a moment said, hey, no, we can't afford this stuff. But Lord, you know, she's pulling. John Delaney.

John Delaney, is that the comic who used to work for Saturday Night Live? No, that's Muldaney. I'm trying out a theory and I'm not sure, so I'm going to try it out here. Because this thing occurred to me when I did the Gutfeld show a while ago. And I made a joke, a mean joke about Trump, which you never want to – on Fox News with a Fox News live audience, you never really know how it's going to go. And I got a few laughs and some – I got an audible response, but the audience is right there. I could see them. They're all kind of smiling like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He won.

Big deal, right? The audience is right there. I can see them. They're all kind of smiling like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He won. Big deal, right? And then I said something recently. I said, here's what I don't understand. Things are really great actually. I mean, yeah, the economy seems to be sputtering a little bit, but it always does. It's a cyclical thing. But unemployment is low.

Sometimes it was high a few years ago, but then the American economy takes over, ingenuity, and the world's kind of at peace. And yes, it's true there are some dangerous spots, but basically things are really great. They're better than they've been ever in the history of Earth. And what I got from the audience was crickets. They looked at me like they didn't understand. Oh, of course. They don't understand those words. No.

This is a hellscape. This is an absolute hellscape of late-stage communism – capitalism, I'm sorry, in which everybody slumps like the workers in Metropolis up and down the elevators. I don't think it's just the left. I think there is a broad movement or broad feeling in the country on the left and the right, Democrats and Republicans, that believe that everything is Flight 93. Everything, the state and the republic and the culture teeters and totters every time someone I don't like does something. And this is very strange to me. It's like the idea that when Trump was running in 2016, we don't win anymore. And Republicans are like, we don't win anymore. I'm like, well, wait a minute. We had astonishing gains in 2012 for Republicans. And Democrats now act like they're on the run. It's so straight. Like American politics and American culture really do swing around back and forth and people change their mind.

They go back and forth. And, I mean, I think it unfortunately moves steadily leftward, but that's another problem. But this apocalyptic worldview in the absence of any incipient apocalypse seems to me to be, you know, sad. I think we should all chill. That's what I think. I'm with you, actually. And by the way, Rob, this is your safe space, your personal safe space. Anytime you want to try out a theory, go right ahead. That's my theory. Yeah. By the way, Rob, this is your safe space, your personal safe space. Anytime you want to try out a theory, go right ahead. That's my theory. Yeah. By the way, James, Rob, I have now talked more than usual to satisfy the comment.

I'm exhausted. I just can't go over to the two of you. Well, Rob's right. But it's not new, though. I mean, we have to go back to what Barry McGuire and the Eve of Destruction, which struck a chord, sorry, in the American psyche at the point, because it just seemed as if we were on the Eve of Destruction. It's necessary for people who've lost a spiritual or religious view of the world, I think, to find apocalypses looming everywhere, because there's that part of the brain back there

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And now we welcome to the podcast Andrew Pollack. He lost his daughter Me Meadow, at Parkland and then conducted his own investigation to expose the roots of what he calls the most avoidable mass murder in American history. Pollack and Max Eden are the co-authors of Why Meadow Died, the people and policies that created the Parkland shooter and endanger America's students.

Andrew, welcome. Thank you for joining us today. Oh, thanks for having me. The killer, I'm not going to name him, who was responsible for Parkland, he had a long history of violence, encounters with the law, yet somehow this happened. Somehow nothing was done. If you could discuss what you learned a bit about this fellow's history, because it doesn't seem to be part of the major narrative we hear. No, not at all. It really started in elementary school, in nursery school. He was actually too violent to attend nursery school because he was constantly

attacking other students, biting them, scratching, attacking, clawing at them. So it really started at a young age. His history, he was adopted. throughout his early adolescence. And all this, we're going to explain it in the book, from nursery school to middle school. And actually, in middle school, he had to be walked around from class to class with security. He wasn't allowed to leave the room to go to the bathroom, to go to the next class. And even when he was in elementary school, he had to be harnessed when he was on the bus so he wouldn't get out and hit other kids and run around the bus. So they actually had to harness him in throughout elementary school. Andrew, there's sympathy, of course, one can have to disturbed individuals, but at the same time, there's a society to protect.

And a lot of people say that the answer here is not what we seem to do, which is to give them a handful of drugs designed to rewire and reroute the chemicals in their brain. But actually, we need to take a look as a country about committing people who are actually a danger to themselves and to others but that argument doesn't seem to even be on the table though is it no it's uh well I want to touch on your first comment because you mentioned the drugs so he was on the killer was on focal and for many years and and it's kind of odd but it's really not so So after my daughter's murder, the Novartis who makes Focalin actually changed the label to read increases homicidal ideation. Okay. So, so this kid, so when someone's violent, it increases it. So, you know, 95%, 97%, it works for people,

but these doctors that know their clients are violent, like this killer punched his mother's teeth out. He dreamt of blood. He brought dead animals to school. He threatened people's lives and they gave them this, uh, you know, it's like meth, this Focalin, and that increases violence. And it's really the mental illness providers are not responsible for third party. So what their client goes out and does in the real world, there's no accountability on the doctors or the mental health care people for subscribing those type of drugs that increase homicidal ideation. So it's a big thing that I want to work on, too, just to get to educate parents of that. If you have a kid who is violent, you know, you shouldn't give them this type of drugs to increase their focus or to make them better students at school.

It's not it could increase homicidal ideation or make them more violent. And that's on the label now after my daughter was murdered. They put that on there. Andrew, Peter Robinson here. You've met President Trump. You've met the governor of Florida. You've suffered an unimaginable tragedy. You've done research. What is it that you're advocating? What needs to be changed? What did you tell the president and the governor? That's interesting because I switched gears now going on two years, it'll be February since my daughter was murdered. And I met with, I met with the president and he did a lot. The president put together a federal

commission on school safety, where he came up with over a hundred recommendations, uh, to make schools safer. Uh, the same thing, uh, with Rick Scott, when he was governor, we got a bill signed in Florida three weeks after my daughter's murder that addresses a lot of issues that are going on in the schools. And we have made the schools much safer in Florida. And I've worked with Ron DeSantis now, who is also the governor. He put a grand jury investigation into the school board of Broward. He removed that incompetent sheriff who his deputies failed miserably that day and let my daughter get murdered. One hid behind a wall, one hid behind a car, you know, one drove away. So he was removed. So the leaders, the politicians did a lot in Florida. You know, they really worked the families, and I worked with them to pass a bill. But what I came to the conclusion is that no matter what level these politicians are, and no matter what they want to do, they can't help parents at a local level when you're dealing with a school board and superintendent like a Robert

Runcie in Broward County. They don't have to listen to them. Right. So the president, you know, everyone always asks me on my social media, well, all the, you know, all the haters out there, the never Trump Trumpers or whatever, they want to trash the president all the time. But I know what he did. I know that he had me to the White House six times where we met with the other secretaries in his cabinet and we and they came up with all these recommendations. Do you think any of these these liberal school board members ever read the recommendations from that the president made that they did? They took a 10 month investigation and did all these things these things for better practice to make our kids safe. So I switched gears now. To me, my daughter and I have to live with it, but I can honestly say I didn't know what was going on at the school. I didn't know they had these violent kids going to the school. I didn't know that kids were allowed four misdemeanors per school and never introduced to the judicial system.

Can you believe that? Four misdemeanors and nothing would happen. They want the teachers to bring them into a healing circle and talk to these kids. I see. I see. That's what they wanted to do. So I didn't know these violent kids were in the school. I didn't know that they had to frisk as being a parent, it's your responsibility where you put your kid. You know, you can't count on, oh, you can't blame the president.

You can't blame Rick Scott. You can't blame Ron DeSantis. It's on you where you put your child. So I don't want, like I said, I don't want a parent to say, oh my God, I can't believe it happened to me. That's BS, okay? Every parent in the country has to know about these policies now. OK, from what I'm advocating for, all your listeners that are listening, you could go to the school.

You should. I would never send my kid to a school without an armed guard. At least one, two, three is better. The schools that allow personnel to train 150 hours of training and carry in the schools that even better, you know, but so parents need to know that I wouldn't send my kid to a school that has those policies in place that don't hold kids accountable. So, Mr. Pollack, this is Rob Long in New York. Thank you for joining us. Sure. joining us um sure you seem to be at you know the the traditional you know chorus of voices when something like this happens has been and unfortunately we can say it's traditional has been uh the resolution is gun control um yes how do you uh and you seem to be advocating for

kind of a what seems to be i mean and correct me if i'm wrong a kind of a megan's law the kind of law we have for sex offenders, registered sex offenders, you seem to be advocating that as a sort of transparency for, um, you know, students who've been in violent trouble before. Do you think gun control won't work? Are you against it? Or are you, are you suggesting they go hand in hand? No, I advocate for school safety. I want more security at the school, single point of entries. Kids should be held accountable. Kids that are violent, like the violent and he brought a kill list to school, like the Dayton shooter, like my daughter's killer threatening people. They shouldn't be, kids that are violent shouldn't be mainstreamed and labeled special needs and given the rights, more rights than 99% of the kids that just want to go and learn. They don't get any credit. If you're a good student and you go to school and you just

want to learn and get A's and be with your friends, you have no rights. If you're a sick sociopath who threatens people's lives and they lay people your special needs, you're untouchable. And I'm not saying like kids that have special needs that have dyslexia or just they're not violent, they're not disruptive. Sure, let's help those kids. But the violent ones should be in special programs so that the 99 percent of the kids, where are their rights? So so the question the answer is I advocate for school safety. And by some sick, demented thoughts that just labels me a Republican. If that's what it is, then I'm Republican because I advocate for school safety. And I don't want to get into a gun debate.

I want the kids and the teachers safe. And the parents should know that if you're a parent and you just want to focus into a gun debate. I want the kids and the teachers safe. And the parents should know that if you're a parent and you just want to focus on gun control, then I tell them, then you roll the dice with your kids and send them to the schools, to the public schools. And that's all I could tell them. I can't educate some of these liberal Democrats because some of them, I just consider they're mentally challenged and I can't educate them. But I just advocated for school safety. I hear you. Andrew, thank you for joining us today. Sympathies for your loss and thanks for the advocacy you talk about in the book, which is why Meadow died, the people and

policies that created the Parkland shooter and endanger America's students. It's coming out September 10th. It's available for pre-order now, I presume, on Amazon. Thanks and good luck. Thank you very much, Andrew. Thank you. Well, and now, I just had a drink of water there. I'm sorry. Stories like this get you in the throat. But the water that I'm drinking, you know, I actually started the throat. Um, but, uh, the water that I'm drinking, you know, I actually started drinking more water and you should too, right? We're all told that we're supposed to drink more. Everybody knows you should drink more. Great segue. Holy.

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And now we welcome back to the podcast Toby Young. He was cancelled on Twitter, but he's here today. We like to have him back, because whenever we need help deciphering British politics and the culture, we call on Toby. He's a British journalist and co-host of the internationally acclaimed podcast London Calling, which is available right here on Ricochet.

And Toby is the author of How to Lose Friends and Alienate People, the tale of his stint in New York as a contributing editor at Vanity Fair. He also served as a judge in seasons five and six of the television show Top Chef and co-founded the West London Free School. He's currently an editor at Quillette, columnist for The Spectator. Toby, I read a couple of British newspapers. The Telegraph, actually, is the one that I favor, and I sort of kind of think I know what's going on

with what Boris is doing, but to Americans, the idea that he's cancelled parliament sounds like some sort of coup is going along, and that the doddering queen was was led to go with his plans because she doesn't know what's going on what exactly is boris doing is it going to work and what's going to happen on october 31st yeah good questions um yeah and um you'll you'll notice perhaps that on twitter at least in the uk the hashtag stop the coup is trending right often the word coup's been misspelled as c-o-u-p-e so

it's become stop the coupé the real objection is to um two-door saloons um so uh yeah what's happening is not that uh boris has in fact carried out a coup in the manner of a tinpop dictator of banana republic what he's done is he's asked the Queen to prorogue Parliament, which is something that all prime ministers routinely do. It's a way of bringing to end the current parliamentary session and ushering in a new parliamentary session. And Boris wants to set out his legislative programme, which he's entitled to do as the new prime minister. And the only way to do that is via the mechanism of a Queen speech, which is typically given at the beginning of a new parliamentary session. Now, what's unusual

about this, what's constitutionally abnormal about it, is that he wants to prorogue, suspend parliament between the two parliamentary sessions for longer than usual. Typically, parliament is prorogued for a few days. Boris wants to prorogue parliament for a few weeks. And the queen has already granted this request. And the Queen has already granted this request. And the reason this is so controversial, the reason so many of Boris's opponents are up in arms about this, is that it gives less parliamentary time to those who want to frustrate the Brexit process. We're due to leave the European Union with or without a deal on October 31st. The enemies of Brexit have been conspiring to perform various manoeuvres

in Parliament in order to try and obstruct that. And this gives them less time to do that. It narrows the window of opportunity for conspiring to stop Brexit. So that's why they're up in arms and protesting on the streets tomorrow. Toby. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Rob. Could the Queen have said no? Could she say no, I'm not going to do it? No, she couldn't have said no. She is typically asked by every prime minister to prorogue parliament. And it's a royal prerogative, which is at the disposal of the prime minister, the head of the executive. so she always says yes so is there complicated like i missed i mean look i i saw the queen and i saw helen mirren and um

uh michael sheen um so this is my this is this is really the sum total of my interest in your absurd politics toby used to be quite just to be quite frank but how does he put it does he say hey listen um sorry to have to boss you around your majesty but here's what i here's what you here's what i need you to do and here's what you're going to say is that is that um uh yeah that's it's actually which is actually it's slightly more arcane uh in the zantai process than that it won't surprise you I think I think uh Boris Johnson conveys to uh the Privy Council uh which is a chamber made up of distinguished MPs that he would like to prorogue parliament and the Privy Council then asks the Queen to prorogue parliament and she does the bidding of the Privy Council knowing that they're doing the bidding of

the Prime Minister okay so I have one more question and i know this is unfair and i know peter wants probably to have peter's probably a list of substantive questions but i want to just ask what i'm interested in before i just pretend to be interested in the in the more the other stuff um what do we know about the is this is the queen a remainder or is she a Brexiteer? Well, that's a good question. And she obviously makes a painstaking attempt to appear neutral on all divisive political issues, indeed on all political issues. But there was a story leaked in the biggest selling British tabloid, The Sun, three years ago during the EU referendum campaign that actually she is a closet Brexiteer. And that may come up in the next few weeks. I think that there are two complications for the Queen. The first is that there are a couple of legal attempts to obstruct Boris's attempt to prorogue Parliament. One is being heard in court next Tuesday. And if the court says, yes, this is unlawful,

Boris wasn't legally entitled to ask the Queen to prorogue Parliament for this length of time, Boris's government will then appeal that decision. And during that period in which the decision is being appealed, will Parliament be prorogued? Or will the Queen say, actually, on second thoughts, I better hold fire here. So that could bring the queen into it in a way which might be unhelpful but more a more a greater risk is that if boris is defeated next week when parliament resumes it is going to come back for a few days before being for rome next week uh it's due to be for a week on monday uh if if when parliament comes back a vote of no confidence is tabled by jeremy corbyn the Marxist leader of the opposition, and that passes against Boris, and Boris refuses to resign. Boris could refuse to resign, sit on his hands for two

weeks, a general election is then automatically triggered, and he can say, date of the general election is November 1st, the day after we've left the European Union. So we would effectively leave by default. That could cause uproar, and the Queen could then come under quite a good deal of pressure to demand Boris's resignation if he refuses to go to the palace and offer it up so that could bring the queen in as well well the guardian right now the headline of the guardian the last issue i'm looking at here is outrage as johnson suspends parliament yes picture of him looking haggard and mean like he's been drinking all night and then uh paulie toynbee of columnist, is right at the top of the page. This PM is ready to destroy anything that threatens his ambition. Well, this outrage, I fear, is slightly confected because the day before Boris decided to prorogue

Parliament for this unusually long period of time, the Remainers, the United Forces of Remain, met and issued a declaration saying they were prepared to do anything, anything to stop Brexit. It was called the meatloaf declaration by the press because they would do anything to stop Brexit. And then the day after, Boris proves that he's equally determined to stop Brexit and they're up in arms. They have an attack. Oh, my God, he'll do anything to stop Brexit. How dare he? What about the constitutional niceties? And the fact is, the reason they're so annoyed is because the reason they're so annoyed is because they were planning to do all sorts of constitutionally abnormal things. They were going to play fast

and loose with the British constitution. And he's made it more difficult for them to do that by behaving in a constitutionally abnormal way himself. So they really haven't got a leg to stand on when it comes to this outrage that he's behaving legitimately. Toby, Peter Robinson here, the speaker, John, is it Burkow, Burko? How's that pronounced? Burko. Burko. In English it's so weird. Or just Burke, for sure.

It's such a weird country. John Burko, from his holiday in Turkey, releases a statement calling the prorogation. By the way, what's the noun? Prorogation? Prorogment? I think it's to prorogue. I think it's a prorogie. That's the verb.

I'm asking for the noun, Toby. In any event, Bercow piped out. Blue Yeti, could you turn down Rob Long, please? So Berko calls what Boris has done a constitutional outrage. Now, Berko, as the Speaker of the Chamber, has particularly seriously by Boris, because he is completely partisan. He's proved himself to be completely partisan. He is firmly on the side of the Remainers and has, in the current parliamentary session, conspired with them to ignore various parliamentary conventions and standing orders to make it easier for them to obstruct Brexit. And one of the reasons Boris has done what he's done is because he knows that in this crucial period, in the run up to October 31st, the Brexit deadline, John Bercow is going to make it as easy as possible for the opponents of Brexit to obstruct Brexit by bending the rules in all sorts of ingenious and illegitimate ways. So he is absolutely a partisan. And the fact that he has condemned this as a constitutional outrage is typical of the fact that he does take sides in these issues. The House goes back into session on Tuesday or Wednesday. I can't recall which.

And how quickly can they move to a vote of no confidence, which he will lose, won't he? He has no. Go ahead. He won't necessarily lose. Aren't there 20 members of his own party ready to vote against when he has a majority of only one? Well, it's unclear. It's uncertain. But I don't think that Jeremy Corbyn, as leader of the opposition, will table a motion of no confidence. And here's why. He doesn't actually want to stop us leaving the European Union on October 31st, not just because he is himself, like the Queen, a closet Brexiteer. As a hardline Marxist, he thinks he'll have more freedom of manoeuvre if he ever wins a majority. If Britain is outside the EU, he'll be less constrained by European law,

and he'll be able to do things like privatise the banks, which he wouldn't be able to do. Sorry, nationalise the banks, which he wouldn't be able to do if we remain inside the European Union. So he's closetedly, he's secretly a bit of a Brexiteer and would like us to leave on October 31st. He doesn't want to bring down Boris's government. I think what he wants to do is to try and make it as likely as possible that we'll leave on October 31st with no deal, because he thinks the economic repercussions of that may be quite negative in the short term. And that will mean if there's a general election next year or shortly after we've left on October 31st, that will increase Labour's chances of winning. So he's playing a double game in which he wants to pretend to be trying to obstruct this, but secretly he's trying to facilitate it. And that means I think he probably won't bring,

he'll probably come up with a pretext for not bringing a vote of no confidence against the government next week. Okay. So then, all right, you're, you're, I have one more question for you, Toby, and Rob wants to get back in. Rob pretends to be uninterested. That's just, I'm an American. Everybody assumes this, this high church Episcopalian is, is a secret monarchist anyway. So Rob is just So Rob is trying to play against type, but he really is interested and he'll be back in just a moment. Here's my last question for you, Toby. I keep expecting that there will be some kind of consensus emerging that no deal won't be that bad. There was the project fear in the lead up to the vote on the referendum in which all

kinds of people, including the chancellor, George Osborne said, if we even vote to withdraw, there's going to be a catastrophe. There was no catastrophe. The British economy has grown faster, not at the moment, slowing some, but over the last three years, grown faster than that in Europe. The government has now had three years to begin to prepare for no deal. Side deals have been made, car company to car company, ferry company to ferry company. Why isn't the country just settling down and saying, look, we'll be fine, we can live through this? Well, I think you're right. I don't think the consequences, the economic consequences of no deal will be nearly as bad as the doomsayers are predicting. I think it'll be more like the Y2K bug. Remember that?

So when we went to the 2000s, planes were supposedly going to fall out of the sky because digital clocks couldn't cope with moving from 1999 to 2000. In fact, nothing happened. It was absolutely fine. There probably will be one or two moments of tension. I mean, you know, the Streatham High Street branch of Kentucky Fried Chicken ran out of chicken wings a few weeks ago, and there was a riot on Streatham High Street. Now, you know, the Dunkirk spirit is probably not as strong as it once was, which is when Britain came together to bring the British Army from Dunkirk. So, you know, there will probably be some unrest, one or two Kentucky Fried Chicken riots on Streatham High Street. But generally speaking, I think it'll be fine. But I think it would be better if we could leave with a deal. And a lot of what's taking place at the moment is a kind of jockeying to see who can be assigned the blame for any potentially negative consequences of no deal.

I think Boris wants to assign the blame to the Europeans and to the Remainers in Parliament. The Remainers and the Europeans firmly want to assign it to Boris and so on and so forth. But as you say, it may all be a bit of a tempest and a teapot because actually the implications may not be nearly as catastrophic as everyone is, as the doomsayers are claiming. Toby, one last question before we let you go. And I think I speak for all of America here. As James often does. Right. Do you believe that Ben Stokes' performance in the third test of the ashes actually was the defining moment of cricket for the 21st century? Well, I think, I'm sure this is a burning issue

on the minds of many Americans. It was certainly an outstanding feat of sportsmanship. The worry is that he won't be he won't receive all the laurels and honors that he deserves as a result of this because he's a bit of a bad boy. He gets drunk. He goes to nightclubs. He swears. I think he may even be in favor of Brexit. So that may mean that he won't be knighted, at least not in the New Year's honors list. But in due course, I hope he will. Well, that was supposed to be the last question. Peter wants to have one more, and I'm sitting over here mad as Hugh Grant, just at the very thought of that. Elegant conclusion I'd set up,

being ruined by Peter's inexhaustible ravenous need to ask questions. Go. I can't help it. I just can't help it. Toby, after your Caribbean vacation, how's your weight? Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, I'm maintaining it. I mean, I, I was staying at this beaches resort on Turks and Caicos and one of the great benefits of beaches is that you are 21 restaurants. You can eat as much as you want. You can drink as much as you want. You're not charged anything. Even tipping is frowned upon. It's all included in the price. So it's quite difficult in that situation not to balloon, particularly when you're surrounded by enormously fat Americans.

But I can, I think, happily say that I've maintained my present weight. I lost a lot of weight when I was publicly humiliated and shamed on Twitter. I called it the public humiliation diet. I lost about two stones as a result of that. And I think my best method

for trying to keep the weight off is to try and manufacture one of these publicly shaming scandals every six months or so to try and bring the weight down when it's threatening. Well, that is kind of – that is a métier, I would say. You have a talent for that. So I think there's no danger at this point. Toby, we have – I really am going to – I will hand it back to James to come devise yet another elegant close. But after you devoted something like 20 minutes on the last episode of London Calling to whinging about American food, there has to be a segment between you and Rob Long in which Rob carefully explains to you how to eat properly when you're visiting the United States. Well, you know, I relish that prospect. And I have, in fact, when I was last in the United States, or last time, but one, I did indeed

have lunch with Rob at rather a nice cafe in Midtown. So, yeah, I know just what an expert I could do better than that. I'll do better than that next time. And I've actually, and Toby, this should be an incredibly fine dinner in London years and years ago. So, yeah. No, I think there could be a fruitful cultural exchange here. I'll meet you all at jail. Well, I look forward to that. My main complaint was that it's quite hard to eat well and healthfully and quickly in America.

You can do one of those three. But to do all of those three I found quite difficult. Maybe I was just looking in the wrong place. This from the island that gave us the English breakfast with the beans and the abomination that they call bacon and the rest of it. I love how Peter says whinging when he speaks to a Brit as opposed to whining, which is the proper American word. It's as though we have to up our vocabulary game because we're in the presence of somebody who speaks the Queen English. So, Toby, I'm going to take the aluminium and put it in the boot, then ride the lift

to the end of this particular segment. That's bullshite. And we thank you so much for once again coming on and elevating the level of discourse. Toby, I look forward to the day that we have you on. I don't think it'll be this decade forward to the day that we have you on. I don't think

it'll be this decade, but maybe next decade we have you on and we don't have to talk about what's going on with Brexit. Yeah. I think that may be the reason Boris

finally gets it over the line on October 31st because everyone is so thoroughly sick of the fact that we have a whole bloody issue. Yeah.

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in Southern California, and he held a barbecue to honor, to celebrate the 30th vintage, 30th year, 30th anniversary of the first vintage of that vineyard. He did not plant the vineyard, but he described the history of it. And it was to celebrate Moraga Vineyard. And it was quite a group of, he was kind enough to invite my wife and me. And of course, that's not an invitation we would ever turn down. And Mr. Murdoch invited a number of his friends, which meant there were some very interesting business people there, including Bob Iger, the CEO of Disney. And Mr. Murdoch's wife, Jerry Murdoch, also known as Jerry Hall, invited a number of her friends. And so you are listening to someone who had a long conversation with Harvey

Keitel. Turns out our politics do not coincide, but Harvey Keitel, the first thing he did before becoming an actor was to join the United States Marine Corps. And Harvey Keitel is a huge fan fan of Jim Mattis. You are also talking. I am so cool. I don't care what you say. I ate chicken wings with Mick Jagger, who was also there. So there. So there. I hear you. And my response when I heard this was that this was like – Peter Robinson at a party with Mick Jagger is like taking a vegan to a steakhouse. It's like there are people at that party and that vineyard who you have – you don't even know you're supposed to know. You don't even know the outer or third or fourth ring of who they are. It's just – they were like aliens. They were all speaking Sanskrit to you. And I can – here's what I really think.

I think that this must have been a lot of fun, this party, for those people because it's rare that Mick Jagger meets somebody who has literally nothing to say to him. And I think you did a public service. I wonder if it's like matter and anti-matter, that if Peter shakes hands with Mick Jagger, does the universe evaporate? Do we need some sort of dilithium crystal to mediate the reaction. But I like the idea that at that party, I think the richest person there, I'm guessing, but my guess is that the richest person there is Rupert Murdoch. But the second richest is probably Mick. I haven't seen Iger's pay package recently, but he's way up there.

He could very well have been. Yes, I think that's true. If he and I had spent too long talking, we would both have simply disappeared. But I will say that I was once lucky enough to attend a dinner with you, Peter, here in New York, where I sat next to Jerry Hall, and she is fantastic she's great she's funny funny and smart and she's just she's just great everything and she's one of the truly funniest people wittiest most interesting people i've ever met and um i think if i were i at that party i would monopolize her she'd be the celebrity for me

wow now i know two guys who actually have sat next to somebody who appeared in a batman movie And I think if I were at that party, I would monopolize her. She would be the celebrity for me. Wow. Now I know two guys who actually have sat next to somebody who appeared in a Batman movie. I'm impressed. And I haven't. I mean, I've sat next to people who made movies, but this is a whole different level, guys. Peter, next time you meet Rick Mick, though, just say, you know, I love, I want to hold your hand. You know, love is the drug. When the levee breaks, those are some of my favorite songs.

So tell that to Mick and he'll nod along and appreciate it. Okay, listen, question for you, James. You are trying to deflect attention away from you and by asking me about my new best friend, Mick Jagger, a huge event, a huge event. Not that huge. Took place in the Lilacs household just a few days ago. How are you faring up? Well, Dada went away to college and, you know, ideally when they go, you would like to perhaps

keep them close so that if something happens, you can be there. You can see them from time to time. But karma dictated otherwise, just as I left Fargo to go as far away as possible, Minneapolis, down 94 to the Emerald City. So my daughter leapt off to Boston just as I did. And, you know, it's the wheel of the universe is paying me back. She's going to have a great time. It's a great school. She's going to make wonderful connections. Although I wish they talk about that college being great. It was all the connections you make. And I just said, can I just find out who these people are and pay them directly?

Because if the education itself doesn't matter, it's the connections. I'm sure it's cheaper, actually, not to just to give money to those people and have them do things for her four years from now, as opposed to the rest of this, where I'm going to be sitting from a distance drumming my fingers as everything that I taught her is slowly unraveled by a series of professors. But no, I don't think so. I don't think so. So the thing is, is that for people who are experiencing first the empty nesting thing, it's hard. It's the end of everything. It's a cataclysmic change. But I went through that last year. To Brazil, when a kid going off to college,

they'll be back for Thanksgiving. You'll make them come back for Thanksgiving. This was just poof. Scotty beamed her up and she she vanished for 10 and a half months and there was very little communication for the first portion of it and now that really ripped the band-aid off that really said they're out of the nest and uh and what are you going to do about it nothing but watch from a distance so this we had a great summer we just we had a i wouldn't want to call it great because bad things happened but it was a deep and wrenching and informative for who we are as a family. It was a remarkable summer, and I got to spend a lot of time with her. And frankly, some of those nights when I would drive around the lake in the car, the new car with the top down, well, okay, with the moonroof open,

listening to what I wanted to at the sunset closed down on the water to pick her up at her job by the shores of the lake. It was a rare moment, a rare time that's not going to be repeated, but I was so grateful to have it, and it ended. And now the next thing, as I said in a post that Henry Custine was writing about, he wrote a great post about empty nesting on Ricochet's member feed, is, you know, after a while, it's just a series of increasing diminutions in what you do. And that's okay. That's the natural order of it. They come home less and less. They do more on their own more and more, but that's how it's supposed to work. And so this is natural and it's fine and it's good. I don't believe a word of it, James. Call your father.

Call your father. And I miss that a lot of her. Exactly. Before we ask Rob Long our closing question, I have to mention and remind you that we were brought to you by Circle. We were brought to you by Bowling Branch. We were brought to you by Ancestry.com. And none of those names are in the copy that I'm looking at right now. I'm doing this off the top of my head because, frankly, that's how memorable these sponsors are. Circle, Bowling Branch, and Ancestry.com.

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about it or doesn't this matter to most of the people who saw it? They just saw a very smart guy being very funny and telling some truths. I think that's probably the latter. I mean, at least I hope. I mean, the idea that people complaining about it were complaining about the things he said. And some of his like very, very sharp observations. He just won a sort of passed around Twitter about abortion, which I think is very, very, very sharp and funny and brings the entire audience up short. And I mean, I like him.

I'm a fan. And I think that I don't think he'll be canceled at all. I think it's, you know, look, people who make jokes for a living are trying to find things that are sensitive topics because that's the stuff that we laugh and laughter is involuntary that's the stuff that we laugh at so it's the cancel culture and the sort of the blue stockings and the the politically correct brigades that are creating more and more space and more and more area that's off limits which is essentially the same thing as saying they're creating more and more material. I mean, nothing, you know, every, every comedian now has an opportunity to be George Carlin because those people are the new establishment and they're the ones with the

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comedian and writer and an actress who takes a look at historical tragedies. And honest to God, she started out, she said, we're going to talk about the Hindenburg. And she said, to be honest, before my producer mentioned this, I didn't know anything really about the – I'd never heard of the Hindenburg. And never mind that the artwork for her show, The Alarmist, when it comes up on your podcast feed, is literally a picture of the Hindenburg exploding. So you have somebody who's so intellectually incurious, they don't even know what their own logo stands for. They don't know what the Hindenburg is. And she got a couple of other writers, actresses, whatever people, well-educated people to sit down and laugh about the Hindenburg for 35 minutes. And none of them had any historical context whatsoever. The smartest one of the bunch, the host said when some, because they're trying to

figure out if, whether or not the Hindenburg going down in 37 was karma for the nazis or was it like pre-karma had the nazis really done anything had the nazis were they really one of them said one of them said i know the war you're doing this to yourself this feels like you get a heart attack listening to that one of them says i know the war was in the 40s but in the 40s and then the host said, well, no, they annexed Austria in 34. So then I had to listen like six or seven minute increments because my hair coming out in absolute handfuls and I'm sweating buckets of these people. So we'll never do that to you. We'll never have uptalk and we'll never have vocal fry. We'll just have – We'll have a talk, but if you guys could join Ricochet, that would be really great. What I love about that is that we've now entered a period of our culture where when you don't know something, instead of hiding in shame or bluffing, you proudly announce that your ignorance is somehow a sign that what you're about to say is more relevant and valuable. Because you haven't been poisoned by knowledge. I'm coming to this with a complete fresh slate. I don't know anything.

Well, I do know it's time for us to go, and I thank everybody for listening. And Peter, Rob, it's been fun, and we'll see both you guys next week. Next week, Mick says hi in the meantime. Tell Mick we'll see him in the comments at Ricochet 3.0, or is it 4.0? I can't keep track anymore. Bye. Next week, uh, Mick says hi in the meantime. Tell me, we'll see him in the comments at ricochet 3.0 or is it 4.0? I can't keep track anymore. Bye next week,

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