The Ringer NBA Show - A Deep Dive on the Ben Simmons Situation and Possible Trade Scenarios | Real Ones

Episode Date: September 13, 2021

That’s right, real ones, Logan and Raja are back from a well-earned summer vacation to bring you all their thoughts on the continuously unfolding Ben Simmons situation. First, they get into a little bit of football chat (0:30), then they talk about the maneuvering and politics of Ben Simmons, Klutch Sports, and the Philadelphia 76ers (5:30) before going over some possible trade scenarios (27:30). Finally, they discuss the Lakers signing DeAndre Jordan (50:00) and each award their Real One of the Week (52:25). Hosts: Logan Murdock and Raja Bell Associate Producer: Sasha Ashall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And you know I'm not used to see you when I, when we normally get on the Zoom. Like, yo, what's up, right? This time I was very excited. I was very happy. It's good to see,

bro. It's like a backhanded compliment. I'm going to take it, though. I'm going to take you. You give me all these backhanded compliments. I don't care. Happy belated birthday. For those of you,

yeah, no doubt. For those of you can't see, we've got our yachting attire on today. Yeah. We're looking like Thirst and Howell the third over there. I like that. It's good to be.

fact, though, I missed you too. I missed Sasha. I missed the whole, I missed the whole five. I missed all the real ones. Yeah. You know, how was your time off, man? Like, you, you got a birthday coming up, too. First, we could for your birthday. Well, how was it, how was it, how was it, how was your little time off? What were you up to? What was it going on? Yo, busy. Um, school started since we've been away. And I've got four. So, just busy, bro, dropping off, uh, trying to dodge the close contacts with COVID that's still out there. Um, then our knights are football season so I got three boys playing football

in three different places which I didn't think that I didn't think that one threw all the way so nights get a little hectic but moving and shaking and football season's back dog like you you know listen I love this NBA shit

but it's football season bro we're gonna get to the NBA shit we're gonna get to the shit to the second I just want to say Raja I've been locked into NFL stuff bro the other day I was watching 22 minutes of Bill Belichick miced up at practice dog. I am

ready to roll. I'm ready to go man. It's not an NFL pod, but I am ready to go for NFL season. Like, well, the propaganda is getting to me right now. I'm watching just like the speeches. I'm watching

my NFL films back. I'm ready to go. We can't talk too much about NFL just yet. We're not it's not NFL pod, but I just want to say I'm locked in. I'm ready to roll. I'm ready to roll too. Can I tell you what else happened to me. And like, I have been denied verification on two different social media platforms since we've been away. Right? That's a fucking thing. It happens, right? I mean, Twitter told me

thanks, but no thanks. And Instagram didn't even respond to my request for verification. So I'm feeling good about that. Hashtag, get Roger verified. Everybody go check that out. Everybody go get Roger verified. This is something that I know it's serious to you because it's the first time it's really spilled onto the podcast. behind the scenes for I'd say like I wouldn't say the last year but at least like the last eight nine months you have been trying to get verified and you do this thing where you act like oh I don't really care about this I don't I'm not really tripping I don't care but then you'll just drop in like what the fuck I'm it's usually after you've gotten on a social platform and

you're like what the fuck I'm not verified I've done everything to get very where is where do you lie right here yeah it is a very it's a very strange uh journey for me with with this because deep down, I guess I do care, but I find it more comical, I guess, you know? Because like my son's a competitive thing? Is it a competitive thing? Because my son, you know, my sons are little butthead sometimes, right? And like they've got friends that are on like high school football teams that are like really good football players. And every now and again, they'll bring me something and put it in my face.

And I'll be like, yeah, what the hell am I looking at? And they'll just kind of point to the blue check. And they'll just kind of giggle. And I'm like, oh, do you mother, mother? Like, you know, so they find the fun in it and it gets at me a little bit. And then I'm like, this is fantastic. Like, I couldn't, I don't know what I could do to prove that it really is me at this point. Like someone's stolen my identity.

I cannot get verified. There's a couple of Roger Bell Twitter profiles that are not Roger Bell. It's like, yo, and I've looked at it because I, before you were really on Twitter, I was looking for you on Twitter. And it was like, yeah, like just some like generic stuff like, like, Lil, I'm getting ready for the game tonight up to me. You know, it's just something. It was when you were with the calves, and I'm like, this is not him.

This is not him. And full disclosure, I'm not a great Twitter anyway, so it doesn't really matter. But I mean, I just find it comical. You want to be like, but again, you don't give a fuck. You want it, but you don't give a fuck. It's like it's weird. I know how you're going through this right now. I feel like I'm 14 again, Logan.

We're playing these games again, right? Do you hate yourself that you care as much as you do? I do. I do so much. So much. But I can't. You're looking at the mirror like, why do I care so much? This is so stupid. This is very stupid.

But then you go look like when you go to Sweden, you're like, I'm not verified. I'm not verified. You get only chat. I tell myself, I'm not. Did you hit up me, Jomi, and Sasha and everyone? I'm not going to open Twitter today. I'm not going to open Twitter today.

At 9.30 a.m. I'm peeking at Twitter. God. Hashtag you'd rather verified. Speaking to somebody who probably shouldn't be on Twitter, Ben Simmons. Hey, oh. Really? Excellent.

Let's be real. No rust in your game, by the way. I'm ready to rust in your game. Listen, Ben Simmons is quite frankly the only story that matters in the NBA at this point. As we are recording this, he's in basketball limbo right now because he's in the rare place where he wants to leave. The team wants him to leave. But a deal has not been done and it doesn't look like it'll be done anytime soon. It just everybody seems to be at a standstill.

unless somebody makes some concessions. And I know this started off with reports that Darryor Mory was just trying to get the kitchen sink for Ben Simmons. And a lot of teams, including the Golden State Warriors, were like, no, no, no, not for Ben Simmons. Not going to do it. Not going to give you hell of picks. Not going to give you everything that you acts for right now.

It's not going to happen. And for me, at least, Simmons is in this place. where it's like, the last image we saw of him wasn't a good image. It wasn't a good going out for him in Philly. You know, the free throws, the down-the-stretch play, everything you can think of. Just didn't work out. It's just left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. And his coach said, I don't know if he's going to be back next season.

Doc Rivers said, I don't know. I don't know. That's well. And he's in this situation where it's like, I don't know. know if he's going to make a complete difference on another team, but also he has so much potential to where you don't necessarily want to give up a Ben Simmons. So I don't know where do you fall on this? Would you trade the kitchen sink for Ben Simmons? Or are you, are you, where do you feel on this? No, I wouldn't trade the kitchen sink only because I don't have to

have to right now. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not going to just jump up there and, you know, he's been devalued to a point where I don't have to give up the kitchen sink to get him. I'm going get him eventually with a less than kitchen sink offer because Philly's got to move him. Philly knows that. There's Philly have to move him. You don't want that. You don't want that in your building. I know there's a report that he is supposed to, that he's supposed to hold out a training camp.

You don't want that distraction, Logan. I'm of the mindset and in the camp of Ben Simmons is a really, really, really good basketball player. I know what the last time we saw Ben Simmons look like and the feeling that we're, you were left with because of that. Having said that, I know that he's a really good basketball player. We just have to figure out how the pieces fit around him. And not unlike a lot of players in the NBA.

So, having said that, Philadelphia does not need that distraction looming over this season. Like they're in a window of opportunity now that they can't have that Ben Simmons trade me, we don't want to trade you type of situation. They're going to have to move him. And for that reason, this was a long way to get to the final answer. I'm not trading the kitchen sink for him because I don't think I need to. I'm trying to figure out with Ben Simmons as a basketball player. Is he Magic Johnson or is he Lamar Odom?

And there's no disrespect either way because both, obviously, Magic is a Hall of Famer and Lamarro is a very good player. But what I mean by that is, is he going to be an all-time superstar or is he going to be an overqualified role player when it's all said and done? because he has the tools to be a great basketball player, but the jump shot just isn't, is it just like not a fit with the jump shot? I just have so many questions around him.

Do I know if he's going to be a great compliment to a great team, or is he going to lead a great team? I don't have that answer right now. And so that's the indecision that you have, because you have other teams that are, they're asking for superstar players in return. Like bona fide superstar players. We'll get to this in the teams in a second.

but I don't want to trade Ben Simmons for Dame Lillard. Like I don't want them on another team. I don't want to get Ben Simmons of going to trade for trade Dame Lillard going out. I just don't want to – I don't know if that's the – that's how confusing it is. But then if Ben Simmons gets a jump shot, then he's a superstar. Or then he makes these little critiques in his game. He's a superstar. But it's just so uncertain right now.

So I don't get a gauge on what kind of player he is. Yeah, I think that's fair. I would say that he's probably in between the two examples you gave. I don't know that I don't think he's going to be Magic Johnson. I don't think that his mental makeup is that. I've said that before. But I don't know that he's Lamar Odom either. And Lamar Odom was a hell of an NBA player.

I think Ben Simmons can fall somewhere, you know, in between those two. Saying your Lamar Odom is not a diss if you've watched Lamar Odom play. I would love to say I was Lamar Odom. Like, you know what I mean? As a player, as a player. But yeah, I think Ben Simmons could fall somewhere in between those two. And I'm with you in that you don't want to, if you're a team, you're not trying to trade a superstar or a star on your team for Ben Simmons.

I would just say this. If you're in a situation where you have multiple stars, and I'm not saying any team names, but if you have multiple stars, you choose the one that you really want to build around. And if it hasn't worked with the two stars you have, you might not feel as bad giving up one of them to get Ben Simmons, if that makes sense. But star for star, thinking he's going to be the alpha on the team and lead it,

I don't know that I'm ready to go there yet. I'm with you. So now he just turned 25 this year in July, he turned 25. Is that the age where it has to be figured out, or is that the age where you still got a couple more years of leeway to figure out? He's only his rookie extension. How do you feel about that about his trajectory on that level? because, let's be frank, he's been needing a jump shot for what, since he got in the league, since before then. We've known this. We've known that he's needed to improve his games in these ways, and it hasn't worked out just yet. And that just speaks to how good he is because he hasn't had a jump shot and he's still Ben Simmons is still a great player.

Does he need to figure this out at 25 or does he still have more time to do this? Is he not a lost cause in that way? In fairness to Ben Simmons, he's only played four full seasons in the NBA. I mean, the fifth would have been a year that he sat out because he was injured, right? Like his rookie year. It's still very early on his trajectory. So it's not a make or break year. He does not have to definitively have it figured out this year.

But I think you want to start to see him, and I've said this about him before, you want to see his approach to shooting jump shots start to change. And what I mean by that is when you first start getting comfortable shooting jumpers, when you're a non-jump shot shooting player, I'm not expecting if I'm in your camp or I'm on the team to see the success rate of those shots be, you know, comparable to good NBA jump shooters. It's just not realistic.

But I want to see your approach, getting comfortable shooting them, looking for them, seeking opportunities to shoot, not being bashful when they present themselves. As that starts to change, I do believe your success rate can start to change, you know, as you continue to build out your jump shot. So you have to start to see the steps being taken by him and whoever is doing

his individual work in the summers start to pay dividends in looking for the opportunities to become more of a perimeter-based player. I think everything else is there, Logan. He's a phenomenal playmaker. He's a phenomenal defender. He's a, he's, what is he, 6-8, 6-6-9. I mean, there's a lot of stuff to work with there. You just, it's not make or break, but you have to start seeing him get more and more comfortable doing some of the things so that you believe it's there in the future. Yeah, I want to, let's look at this. I want to look at this from a team perspective, a team in negotiating perspective. Now, we have, on one side, we have Darry and on another side, we have Rich Paul, right? And I think in the beginning stages of this, it was Darryl Moore that took the lead on the headlines with, you know, the reported deals and trying to ask for the moon, which honestly,

I don't feel bad about it. Me and you have both been in negotiations. You ask for the moon in the first one. You ask for something stupid in the first offer. That's what you do. It's just what it is. It just got leaked. Then you have Rich Paul,

who is kind of taking center stage now with Ben Simmons with the holdout from a player's perspective. How is, you've worked with Rich Paul. How is he suited for this type of situation versus, And how is he suitable for this situation? How is he not suitable for this situation? If he is unsuitable at all? Because I think personally,

if you've seen this play out, you know, preseason guys like Tristan Thompson and other guys, Rich Paul gets his guys, the people that he wants paid, or he gets that figured out, especially with his star upper echelon players. I'm talking about those, the Anthony Davis's, the high-level big money guys. He gets that done.

is this something that he's suitable, not suitable, but is this his bag? Is this what he does? Is this going to work out because Rich Paul is on the side? Or how do you feel his role is in this negotiation right now? Yeah, that's an interesting question. So when I know Rich Paul, I never, when I was with the Cavs and working with David Griffin, I never really had to deal with Rich Paul on that level. So, you know, I'm not on the phone with Rich Paul working out negotiating points and so on and so forth.

That's not what I'm doing. So I can only speak from kind of the outside looking at Rich Paul. Number one, I think he's, you know, very, very good at handling his upper echelon players. Like I think since we've been gone, there have been some people who've had some issues with, with some of his advice if you're not one of those top guys, right? Like Nerlin's Noel. And that's been a criticism of Chris Paul, not Chris Paul, sorry, excuse me, Chris Paul. It's been a criticism of Rich Paul of that he just goes to his top.

level guys. But I would like to say a caveat because you, you know this as a player. This isn't just a Rich Paul thing. Most agents really just look out, look out by and large for their top level guys that make them the most money. Well, I chose my agent, to your point, I chose my agent who was not a major power player in the NBA because when I could, when I needed something, I called Herb and Herb was on the phone. And not Herb's assistant and not, you know, you know, Herb's runner, Herb, and we knocked it out and we ironed it out like that. It could be two or three times a day because his stable of players wasn't large enough to distract him like that. So what I felt as a player I needed that, I needed that hands-on approach.

And I left Herb midway through and got enticed to go with someone over to Bill Duffy's agency. And no shot at Bill. I think Bill's a great dude. I mean, I have a great relationship with Bill Duffy. He represented Steve Nash at the time, LB and all those guys. But I had very little, very little conversation with Bill Duffy. and it was his company. You know what I'm saying?

So, like, I went back to my agent because I liked that style. I liked more of the mom and pop. So I'm not trying to throw any shade at Rich Paul. But you have to know what guy is right for you. All right? So having said all of that, I think Rich Paul, having the league almost cornered in terms of some of its marquee names and some of its talent, is positioned well to handle something like this.

Because, I mean, this, you know, the NBA world is no different than the regular world. You know, if you have enough juice behind you, if you have enough leverage in other situations, like you can move the ball, you know, in the direction you need to move at times. And that's not to say that anything, you know, is going on under the table or anything like that. But you have people in your stable of players that are desirable marquee names. That's going to help you when it comes time to making, you know, having an earth move. Yeah. And I think that, I think with Rich Paul, he's polarizing in a way that's very interesting, right? Because what he does is no different than what David Falk was doing in the 90s.

It's no different than what Scott Boris does in the major leagues. There's a lot of people that hate both David Falk and Scott Boris and are annoyed by when they do similar tactics towards players. So I say I'll have to say, all of this looks like. you know, it's polarizing and things like that. But to me at least, it just seems like a normal negotiation. Does this seem like a normal thing for you?

Or does it just seem, or is this out of the ordinary for you with a star player? No, I mean, let's throw another name by Drew Rosenhaus in the NFL. Like, when you have enough people, yeah, it's not, no, this is normal. What would not be normal about this?

I don't know, I don't understand if anyone sitting back. I think it's just that Rich Paul and similar to Drew Rosenhaus. And they just are polarizing, figures in themselves and they usually stick their face out a lot more than a Scott Boris or a Drew Rosenhouse or not Jerusalem or a um or David Falk. David Falk. They just, I just think that they, they, they become part of the story more than those other guys.

They're more personalities. Yeah, they are. Exactly. There are more personalities. Like Rich Paul Drew Rosenhaus or more personalities. They, they are, you know, they're outside like you like to say it too, right? They just sit behind a desk. then boys are getting it in.

Bruce Paul's out here with Adele. With a Dell. With a Dell. Court side. Like whatever. And I, listen, for whatever it's worth, man, you're a young brother that was, for most people's accounts, hustling, like selling stuff out of your trunk,

you know, trying to get some footing in the business world. And you're out here representing, like, whatever percentage of the heavyweights in the NBA right now, bro, do your thing. I got no beef. Also, I would feel myself too. That what? Like, I have, hey, bro.

If I was Rich Paul, I might be more flashy. Because, like, Rich Paul ain't really, is very understated. I would be a lot more just if I did, if I had to counsel at Rich Paul. But, you know, I'll, Hey, you, you, you are only, you know, as powerful as the leverage that you have.

Do you know what I'm saying? Like, it be, the key has the right, you know, to, or the ability, I should say, to go into these places and ask for certain things. Like, he was able to manipulate the Anthony Davis deal and get him to where he wants. Like, if you've got that kind of leverage, that's what you're supposed to. That's why people get vilified, though. Tell me why do people like a Drew Rosenhouse or Rich Paul or like, or those people that are outwardly get vilified in that way?

Because they're usually, I mean, not usually, but sometimes, I guess it depends. I should figure out my words better before I should start vomiting at the mouth. In some instances, you know, that person's job is in contradiction to your fandom. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's all good when LeBron's coming to the Lakers. Do you know what I mean? But if Rich Paul should want LeBron to leave the Lakers and LeBron wants to leave the Lakers, then Rich Paul is vilified.

Like, you know, most people are fans of at least old school, you know, diehard fans or fans of the team. not necessarily the player. And I do think there's something culturally. We've talked about this before. Like, you know, I find it very interesting that a fan, you know, in most cases, can take the side of like ownership and team and, you know, when they're billionaires and then point the finger at a millionaire and say, like, he's coddled, he's spoiled, he shouldn't want to move.

You know? What's wild is like four years ago, like, or whatever, how long ago, like, you're more relatable than those owners to them. honestly, if you want to keep it a buck. Like, you just got this bread. You're not. Absolutely. Like, I'm, hey, we just came up.

But, but I understand it. You're fans of the team. And that's why these guys get vilified because they're taking an asset away from the team. And in some instances, like in Rich Paul's case, when you're dealing with guys of that magnitude and that level, that team usually falls into some sort of rebuild mode when you move one of those pieces because they're that, you know, substantial a player. And so I could see. see why fans would would feel that kind of way.

But it shouldn't be personal, you know, animosity. That business is business. Like you could, you can hate what happened to your team, but Rich Paul is really, really good at his job. Like, I'm celebrating that. Yeah, for sure. John Gonzalez, you guys should read this. Had a great story about Ben Simmons,

and the title of it reads, Ben Simmons never pandered to Philly. And maybe that was his biggest sin. And his, he's he's uh john is i believe is from the philly area and he it was an interesting point about the fan base with ben simmons right where billy fans just want to be loved and they want you just to love them if you just say the right thing if you just if you just give all yourself to philly fans they will love you is basically his his his stance and all the things that philly fans just uh criticized ben

Simmons for, Ben Simmons of Cop to, right? Like, yo, I should have done better. I should have done a better job. But he did it in the grandiose, emotional way that Philly fans love. Do you see, is there a way you have to treat certain Philly fans? And by extension, if you don't do it that way, will they throw you out? And will you get a scenario with Ben Simmons where it seems like they love Embed more than they love Simmons because he never embraced the Philly fandom in the way that they wanted him to? I'll start in the middle there. Philly fans will definitely turn their back on you. There's no question.

That's the easy one, right? Let's start there. Yes, they will turn their back on you. They will also embrace you for not being an all-star. I mean, they embraced me for a period of time there, and I was, I don't know, averaging two points a game playing eight minutes a game. Like, so they've got to see something in you or in the way, you play that maybe reminds themselves of the town, of the, of the, of the, of the area.

That is a very hardworking blue collar lunch pail type of city. Do you know what I mean? Like, they get down for theirs. And so is there like an inferiority complex there too? Maybe a little bit. It's an underdog. It's rocky. It's not inferiority. It's rocky. Like it's, it's the steps, bro. It's, it's, you know, it's, um, it's the, it's the, it's the, true underdog story sometimes. But Ben Simmons were, first of all, Ben Simmons was his number one pick? He was the number one pick. Joel Embed was the number one pick. There was only going to be room. I don't know how many scenarios you've seen where you've had two number one picks that close together and they both wind up being the stars of your team. It doesn't work out like that. Usually

there's an alpha. You know what I mean? And so it was really, they were going to have to pick between one of those two the whole time, at least in my opinion. That's what I had been saying. That's what I had been So what happens to Ben Simmons with the Philadelphia fans, it's not about production. You know, his numbers are like 16 a game, 8 and 8. Like, that's not bad production. Like, he's been productive. It's about if they sense fear. Because underdogs don't really show fear, right?

You wear, like, you're like a caged animal. Yeah, right. You have it, but you don't show it. Like, you get after it. And so when Ben Simmons was reluctant to shoot those. shots. And it was, we talked about that. He looked, he looked like there was something going, it looked like there was something going on with him and he didn't want to shoot. That is what the Philly fan holds on to. Do you know what I'm saying? Like you, you didn't come out swinging like,

like Rocky did. Like, you didn't come out just clawing and biting and scrapping. I knew as soon as you could see that in the end of the last game that he played. Like, we don't care. Not we, because I'm not from Philly, but Philly fans, I'd imagine, don't care if you go, if you go, for 26. They care that you took 26 shots. That's it. They want you to go down swinging. Go down like with your heart on your sleeve.

And if I'm being fair to them, like I try to be fair to Ben Sims, he didn't do that. He didn't. He didn't. I'm not saying he played. He didn't cry like M.B. did. But he didn't cry like M.B. did. He didn't show that he cared. Not show that he cared because I don't know.

I ain't. I'm not into that. I'm not into that. Everybody wears the end of a game scenario. differently, man. And, you know, I've said before, like, Embed does a lot for me. Like, some of that's 40 effect, you know? So, like, I'm the guy that's like, yo, man, like, I don't want to see that shit.

You know, I don't need that. I do respect how hard you played. So I'm not getting into that. But Embed was doing what Embedd could do to win that. Like, everything he had in his bag, he exhausted it trying to get that done. And I don't think Philly fans would say that that, that Ben Simmons did that. And that's where that's where he lost those fans. Okay. Let's take a quick break

and I'm going to do something that I always love to do, Rajah. You know what that is? No, what are we doing? We're being messy as fuck. Oh, good to be back. And we are back. All right, we're still talking about Ben Simmons. And what I do want to talk about is I want to get messy.

I want to talk about potential teams that he could go to or that teams that are interested at him or teams that maybe not be interested in him that we want him to go on. Just fucking do it. Let's do it. It's getting real loony out here during the summer months, guys, during the fall months. It's the dog days. An intriguing team. The Sacramento Kings. How do you feel about the Sacramento Kings? They're thinking about there's been reports that, you know, if they do make this trade, it would mean that they have to piece out with either Halliburton or Deeran Fox. Would you do that deal, GM, Raja? Yes. Yes. You do the deal. I mean, the kings are trying to hold up. They like their nucleus right now.

They do like, they love Tyrese Halliburton. Deer & Fox just signed a deal. I have no beef with Tyrese Halliburton or Deer and Fox. I just, I mean, where did the Kings finish in the standings this year, Logan? We're doing this off the top. So what were they? The 10th. The fact, the fact that we don't know means that they don't matter.

That's what I'm saying. So you're looking for, what I'm looking for in Sacramento is, is juice, conversations, you know, like media spotlight. I think Ben Simmons brings that to you on top of being a damn good player. Again, I will reiterate 16, 8 and 8 in a situation where the ball was not his, where he's playing off of Joel Embed. So you put him in another situation, put the ball in his hands, let him rock.

Yes, the answer is yes, Sacramento. But what about my, okay, caveat to Sacramento is if you take away, because Buddy Hill is not happy there. He wants to get traded. Almost got traded to the Lakers. If you trade Deering, Fawkes and Tyrese Halliburton, you have to get shooting around him.

Do you think that, and I don't see shooting on that roster like that? So if you see, what do you do with, you just put the ball in his hands and there's no spacing? Without Deeran, without a Tyrese Halliburton,

what do we do? Like, there's no spacing. I get it for name recognition. Can we agree that the spacing wasn't great in Philly, as well. We can agree to that? We can't agree with that. We can agree with that. Yes. Okay. So here's what we get. We get a 16, 8 and 8 guy with the same, like,

non-ideal spacing that he had in Philadelphia and way more opportunities with the ball in his hands. So let's just fractionally bump his numbers up, right? Let's say he goes, no, like 20, 9 and 9. What the fuck are we talking about? Like, that's what I, you know what I'm? Like, I get all the shade on Ben Simmons. I just need people to understand. Like, you don't just fall out of bed and average 16, 8, and 8 in the NBA. While you're watching Joel Embed, like, that's really, really good. Okay.

All right. So, Kings, you'd go. If you're GM with the Kings, you're like, I'm going to do this. We need some buzz, Logan. I'm not saying that he's, you know, I'm not just no shade of Tyrese. And we need some buzz. This is also no shade to the Kings, but they're one of the, those teams that like, it's similar to, you know, when they traded for Chris Weber, right?

They, they were a team. Then while, like, we're cool, they were in Sacramento. They need, and they, Sacramento is a team that wants to be a part of the conversation all the time. And sometimes that means it's not good conversation coming out of Sacramento, but it's conversation nonetheless, right? No matter what, the Kings are a relevant team in the league. They always seem to be, even though they don't go, they haven't gone to the postseason since I was in high school, or not even high school since I was in, like, middle school. but they want to be relevant

and they figure that so you know Ben Simmons is because of the city and all the stuff they can't just get stars like that so I get it all right another team would you do the

if you were the San Antonio Spurs would you do this would you do this deal? What am I giving up in San Antonio? I'd say you give up maybe would you give up to Giante Murray Derek White

would you move on for that for Ben Simmons? Mm. Mm. Yeah. Here's my, here's my philosophy on San Antonio. I don't know. This is a really tough one.

So I'm like 51. 49. I'm this tough. You like San Antonio. It's like, I feel like you would, I think one of the things that you didn't play for San Antonio,

but you wanted to, you would have loved to pay for that team. You feel like a, like a distant cousin. It seems like you feel like a distant cousin to San Antonio. That's a good way to describe that. I like that. I like that.

San Antonio is the type of place. Here's the question I would have. though. How much is Pop have left in the tank? Not how many, you know, years is he going to kind of hang on and want to do it? I mean, is Pop like down there in the trenches like he used to be hands on every day? Does he have that energy left in him to do what I've seen him do with a lot of players, which is take this piece of clay that everyone knows has all this potential and just keep shaping it and molding it and helping it and nurturing it and giving it the tough love that it needs

to eventually become like a Kauai Leonard. And I want to make sure everyone knows that Kauai Leonard did all of that work. But I think it's fair, like at least in years past, to say that the player development in San Antonio and the stability there has helped a lot of players reach really, really high, you know, goals in the NBA along with championship. So I trust in San Antonio if pop is in the trenches and still down to do it. So I think it would be a great fit for,

Ben. Now, from San Antonio's standpoint, I like DeJante Murray. I think he's, I think he's really, really good. I don't know. Is he about with Ben Simmons? No. He's not. I mean, what? To your point, though, what I did feel like you, you alluded to, is Pop, the Pop conundrum. Pop is the best coach in the league, right? It just is. He's the best coach in the league. He's one of the greatest coaches of all time. But there have been rumors just a

circulating around the league all the time every year that he's going to retire or that he might be his last year. I'm sure you've heard that too, Roz. You have a lot of people that you know within that organization. But that's just always a thing. Like, is Pop going to retire this year? It's not like 15 years ago where it's like, oh, Pop's here. Pops just going to be here. Right.

It's like we just don't know right now. And it takes a lot of energy to develop players. And one, it takes hard work from the player side, but also it needs, you have a good teacher. And we don't know how long that good teacher is going to be there in. San Antonio. So I would be a little hesitant to send him to San Antonio. That's fine, just for that reason. A few more. The Minnesota Timberwolves. The T-wolves, huh? The T-wolves. No, no. I like Anthony Edwards. I love Anthony Edwards, but you would trade, so you would probably trade DeAngelo Russell to go. I would hate this for the, for the Sixers would hate it. Would

hate that move on the Sixers side to take back DeAngelo Russell for Ben Simmons. That just wouldn't make sense. But what I would say, though, is Ben Simmons, Anthony Edwards, and Carl Anthony Towns? Well, when you first posed it, you didn't tell me it was for DeAngelo Russell. You didn't say that. Trade DeAngelo Russell and you get Anthony Edwards, who I love. Anthony Edwards a bite. I don't know if the stock has risen already, but I got some.

stock in Anthony Edwards. Me too. I love him. So I'm going to say this. I'm with you 1,000% that if it's DeAngelo Russell and a couple pieces around the fringes for Ben Simmons, it's a yes. It's not even a question for me, right? But what I really want to be careful of is not stunting Anthony Edwards growth.

I don't want that to happen. So, you know, if I'm bringing in Ben Simmons, I'm bringing in Ben Simmons, if I'm a team, to put the ball in his hands and see if he can Magic Johnson it. you know like i i need to see if you can point forward this because i mean we we know what it looks like when he's when he's asked to kind of play off the ball so i want him on the ball and i i'm not saying that can't work but i want to make sure that i don't stun anthony edwards grow fair point that's a fair point um all right now let's get to the messy ass shit the these are these are teams that are rumored and that it's just always on the on the docket let's go to

the porland trailblazers let's kidding we already alluded to it Would you, if you're the Portland Trailblazers, would you trade Dame to get Ben Simmons? No. No. No. I trade C.J. McCollum. Okay. Yeah.

C.J. McCollum and get all those, and get all those. Because for years, the Portland Trailblazers have wanted and needed a guy similar to Bill, Ben Simmons, not Bill Simmons. Not Bill Simmons' skill set. No, no. Ben Simmons is a skill set. But to get a guy like Ben Simmons who can facilitate, can facilitate. can facilitate, run the offense, can do,

can just have the ball in his hands and take the pressure off of Dame Lillard. They've needed that and they haven't had it. That would be a great move, but I don't know if that'll happen. I just don't think that'll happen because you're talking about two teams that want to be in the mix.

If you trade, on the Sixth side, if you trade for CJ McCollum, does that put you in championship contention? No, is that an upgrade from Ben Simmons? It's not necessarily. It would have to get to a point in my, opinion that Dame Little was just like, I don't want to be here no more. I don't want to do this.

Trade me. I don't want to do this. We got to just start from scratch. And then, then you could trade him to the Sixers. Well, if Dame said that, then yes. I mean, I'll take, I mean, yeah, let's do it. Dame doesn't want to be here. Like, I don't have the investment from Dame. Um, um, I do think that C.J. McCollum is a better fit on the Sixers than, then Ben Simmons, though. I think I don't, I can't guarantee you you're winning a championship with that. Like, I won't do that. The NBA is pretty loaded right now with really powerful teams. But he's going to help that team.

That's a shot maker, shot, creator, floor spacer, can get his own shot. There are a lot of things there that really complement what Joel M. And B. does. And I'm with you in Portland, having needed a wing that not only can go out there and create offense and do things on that end of the court, but just to guard some of the premier wings, you know, in the NBA, that's been lacking for a while. So, I mean, I wouldn't do it for- You would do it under a special circumstance.

It's only like, if Dame is like, I don't want to be here, you guys figure that shit out. Okay. Yeah. And honestly, I mean, I know this is a dirty business, but the Blazers would owe him that. Blazers would owe him that. Like, if he says, I want to leave,

then they would owe it to him to have him a suitable position, especially if they've tried exhausted all options in their minds, then Dame is just like, bro, I've given the city so much. It's time for me to win a title. I can see that happening. Yeah. Yeah. All right, last one, the Golden State Warriors.

Would you do that deal? Give up Wiseman Andrew Wiggins and some draft picks. Yes. For Damien, I mean, for Ben Simmons, you do it right now. Yes, I would. Yes, I would. And pair him, what about the pairing with Draymond Green? Do you care about that?

A little bit, a little bit. But, man, when that is a lot of basketball, I have some good playing basketball players right there. That's a terrible sentence. That's a lot of really good playing basketball players. They're going to figure that out. Yeah. They're going to figure that out, man.

The thing is, though, what the Warriors is, now, if they traded for Ben Simmons, right, I've seen, like, they've obviously made it work with superstar players. I don't know, in hindsight, I don't know how they did that. I don't know how they put, like, KD and Steph, Curry and Clay Thompson all together, and it just worked out. Like all these ball dominant players, they just figured out.

They just fell in line. Yeah. And my thing would be, though, is if you have Draymond and Ben Simmons on the court at the same time, that's two dudes who just don't shoot, right? And you know more about basketball than me, so maybe you could see a remedy in that. But there's two guys that just are offensively flawed, right? Do you think that that could work anyway? I have a theory of how it could work,

but I would love to hear, I would want to talk to the basketball guy about this. Okay, well, I watch Steve Kerr and Steph Curry, I mean, yeah, figure out how to play this year, which was coming into the year, I was like, there's no, there's no way. Like, they just don't have enough. And Steph Curry might have had his best year.

I mean, he was playing incredibly. And they completely changed what they, they were doing offensively to accommodate for the pieces they had or didn't have, right? Like they just flipped the script, played another style. We're just going to run step off of, you know, this is what we're going to do. I think you can get away with playing those two together. I'm not saying that they have to play all of their minutes together and always have a lineup on the floor where, you know, you have two non-shooters. But in any situation where one of them has the ball and they're initiating kind of offense or, you know, getting into some kind of D.A.

stuff or you have people flying off of them. Their defenders are accountable for the help on Steph or Clay or whatever other shooter is coming flying off of that. That presents a lot of opportunities behind the defense. If they don't honor the shooter, like, I don't have to be a great shooter from slipping behind it as Ben Simmons and Draymond's got the ball or as Draymond and Ben Simmons has the ball. Do you understand what I'm saying? You can't run a stagnant-ass offense with all of them just standing around and having

their men in help. And they wouldn't do that. They wouldn't do that. That's why I think Golden State, not everyone could get away with that, but I think Golden State would be fine. Yeah, man. I mean, also there were, you know,

they were sets last year, and I know this was a different team, but there was sets last year where they had Draymond and Juan Tisconno Anderson on the same, on the court at the same time, right? And I'm not, and we, bro, you know how we both feel about Draymond and Juan, Tuscano Anderson.

They're not, they're not, they're not, they're offensively flawed as well. They just are, especially for that time, right? and they know their roles. And I'm saying all to say, it worked. You know, it worked. You know, you get them in the open court, pass a fucking ball to stuff. All right?

That's really what the offense is, and it's always been that. Trust me. It will work. Trust me. Do it. Do it. It'll work. My thing is this, though.

Let's talk about the other side of this, which is James Wiseman, who I don't know how you feel about James Wiseman. I think James Wiseman is going to be a really good player. I really do. I really think he's just. showed me certain things. And you know this with rookies, right? It's not about the stats on the rookies most times.

It's about just the, it's about the flickers that you see out of a rookie, right? Where you see certain things where you're like, oh, shit, if they do this, they're gonna, a perfect example that is Brandon. Brandon Ingram did not have a great rookie season with the Lakers. But they showed flashes of where there would be games where he would get like 19 points. And he would just do things that just guys just,

don't do. And you have to look at those moments of potential and see these in rookies. And I saw that in James Wiseman. Now, was it enough for them to keep him? Because they want a championship this season. They're not talking about next season or a year after that. It's this season. Right. Do you, do you care about like the full on potential of, of a James Wiseman in this scenario where you could like, what if he's a Hall of Fame big? I would defer to you on his moments just because, admittedly, I wasn't tuned in. I don't know his game enough to whatever, say definitively that I saw a bunch of moments.

I can't say that. I guess what I would say is I didn't do a good job on the last question because if I were Philly, I probably wouldn't want James Wiseman, right? like in that deal. I was thinking from Golden State's perspective in that deal. But let's go back to your question you just asked me. I wouldn't give up James Wiseman either. Like I wouldn't take on him because like stunning growth.

You would stun his growth. Yeah. Like what I mean, I'm Joel and Bid, what am I going to do with that? But if I'm Golden State, let's go back to women. Let's say like you give up Andrew Wiggins

because you have to do that because of the contract. Jordan Poole, who I love, Jordan Poole. They already dealt Pascal. I'm trying to think of guys. that would be in that deal, but that are like, guys, I don't know.

I'm giving up all of that. But even in the, even, let's say, hypothetically. Would you give up Draymond? Let's get messy. I don't think, I don't think that there's,

I'm not giving up Draymond. I'm thinking about how Draymond would fit in Philly. And I think I would love that. Just him would throw a Lousan Bede from a Philly perspective. I'd be like, yeah, I would take Draymond in this stage of his career. Yes, from a Philly perspective, yes.

From a, from a Golden State, no. I think Draymond just works. And he's, you've got history, man. Like he knows the ins and outs of that. But I do think you asked an interesting question. Like, say, Embed was not in Philly, and you were talking about sending Wiseman away

and bringing in a Ben Simmons, and would I be concerned about Wiseman's ability to be a Hall of Famer? Well, I would have, again, Ben Simmons is only 25. Yeah. And has only played four full years in the NBA. So at that point, I'm saying that I believe Ben Simmons has real juice, you know, an NBA upside still left in him. And I think maybe not Hall of Fame, maybe I don't know.

But that would be, I'd probably still do it. And because I just think Ben Simmons is going to be okay. I'd be curious about a place like, I'd be curious about a place like Portland and Golden State because we just had the conversation. I brought up the point earlier about Ben Simmons either being, the Lamar-Odom type of the Magic Johnson type, right? If he goes to Golden State, he's not going to get a whole bunch of shots like that.

He's not. It'll probably be veering towards the Lamar-Odom role where he's like, I'm getting a lot of rebounds. You can see my impact on the floor, but it's not going to be in points. You're not going to ask me to score and just have these sexy-ass stat lines. It's going to be more of, I'm going to get Steph involved. I'm going to get mine when I can. but I'm going to get it's it's to make the order of offense is great well I mean is dreamon green considered one of your top five players at the position he plays right now

draymond yeah uh I would say defenders not position top five defenders for sure in the league definitely but like that's that's not a position though but all right yeah it's a probably a poor way to put that but draymond is one of the better players in the NBA, we'd agree, right? He don't get a lot of points in that offense. He facilitates, and he defends. So I think Ben Simmons' defense would be highlighted more, his ability to defend.

Sometimes that happens. Like, I was a good defender in the NBA. You know when I got highlighted as a good defender? When you played Kobe Bryant. And when I went to a relatively poor defensive team, and we played a lot bigger games. You know, I was on a bigger stage. Like I played.

And so, you know, I think Ben Simmons, would stand out in that regard. He'd be around, you know, Dremont and Clay and, and I think offensively, Logan, he would take strides because culturally there, they put a lot of stock and shooting the ball in, you know, figuring out how to mask a weakness, if that makes sense, and play around that and highlight and accentuate all the good that you do. And I think, you know, he's, again, 25.

He's still got stuff to learn. I think it's a really good environment, not unlike San Antonio. where, you know, I said it when Andrew Wiggins went there. He's going to be fine. He'll be good. He'll be good because he's going to learn. Like, he'll pick things up there. It's a great place to be.

Sure. One other thing. The defensive strides would be great also with him at, Ben Simmons as a defender and going to say it would be great. One last one, just to be like, just to, it's not going to happen. But just to be messy. Fuck it. The Lakers.

Would you do it if you were the Lakers and had a chance to give Ben's image? No. That's just a grand now? No. No. No, because you're going to play, you're going to play ISO ball. That's what you do. Yeah.

And in that, in that space, I need a bunch of shooters around me. The thing is, though, LeBron and LeBron-led teams, they're great. Sometimes with LeBron and those teams, it just feels like they're just getting a whole bunch of good dudes and we're just going to figure out. Just give me a whole bunch of ingredients. Let's just give me a whole bunch of stuff. I don't think it's going to fit. but it seems all right, whatever. Let's just bring it in.

Let's just figure it out. That would be one of those moves. It's like, I don't know if you're going to be, we're going to fit, but we'll fucking see. That's true because I said that. And then, you know, you brought in Russell Westbrook, who you're going to play ISO ball and he doesn't fit the mold of a, of a, of a, but I would say this about Russell Westbrook, while we talk about. I'm all in.

I don't know if we've talked about, I'm all in on Russ on the Lakers. I'm all in. You already know where I stand on that, bro. You already got to ask me. All in, baby. You're talking about, uh, What was that? 15, 8 and 8?

I said, or 16, 8 and 8 for, I mean, Russ last year was, I mean, let's see it, 11, 12, 10, and 22. So you're even better than, like, if we have to go ISO ball, Russ is going to be a better version to that. So I know to Ben Simmons, like, keep it where it's at. All right. Before we get out of here, there's just some notes. I want to get your opinion on.

You got Lamargo's Alder's just coming back. back. That's on the docket. I, no. I just, I mean, I hope that he feels, like, that's just scary to me and, you know, I hope the doctors have done their due diligence. I hope so, too, but I'm saying dope because you want your career

to end on your own terms. And if he's healthy and he gets another shot at it, then I think it's dope. I'm just scared. Love his game. Really want him to do well on the next. I've just, I'm just scared. DeAndre Jordan on the Los Angeles Lakers and they're going to get rid of, all besides,

point that they're getting rid of Marcosol. I don't know what I feel about this. I love Marcosol and the Lakers. I loved him. Sasha's just really sad. Jomey somewhere on an island just looking out in space, crying. I don't like this move. I don't like this move.

I don't like this move. Let's talk about that. Because it's redundant. They already got Dwight Howard. It's redundant to what they have. I love Mark Nassau as a passing big. I just love him as a passing big. And when the offense flowed through him, it was a better offense.

How often did that happen? It didn't happen. You know why it didn't happen often? Because they signed Andre Drummond and gave him the bulk of the minutes. Yeah, but okay, fair. But even, I guess my point would be, if that's not something that you're committed to doing, while we may love it in theory, it doesn't really ever get a chance to take place. So if they like their bigs to be Dwight Howardish, then go ahead and be redundant with that. Like bring Dwight Howard start him and then bring his like clone off the bench because

that's all you're asking them to do. I just need to remind you, Roger, that DeAndre Jordan did not play in the postseason when there was no one on the Nets but Kevin Durant. There was literally no one. I don't know if you looked. There was no one there was no one there was no one there. I have no facts to back this up. I've not talked to Steve.

There's there was no good reason for that. Okay. There was no good reason for that. There's no good reason. Okay. So you're, you think he should have played. There was just, that was just the, okay. Okay.

I just, I'm lukewarm on it, we'll see. I still think the Lakers have a chance. Didn't we pick the both think the Lakers to win the title? Yes, sir. I don't know. I picked him on the, I went back, and I think I picked the Nets on one of,

I just went, I'm going back and forth, but I don't know. I just don't know. On that note, let's get to Rowan of the week. My Rewan of the week is a guy by the name of Chuck Rhodes. He's fucking back, baby.

Billions is back. I'm locked in. I'm locked in, man. I'm locked in. Chuck Rhodes. He shaved his beard. We're not going to spoil too much because Raja's on season two right now. We're trying to get him up to season six. But Chuck Rhodes is back. He's shaved. He's ready to roll. He's ready to take down motherfuckers. You have recently got on billions, Raja. What are you, your team, team Chuck, right? Aren't you team Chuck? I'm team Chuck all day. I mean, I like Bobby Ash, why? Why did you like to? What made you team

Chuck, though. Because I'm King Chuck. I like Paul Giamatti as an actor, right? He's a fucking beast. He's a fucking beast. He's a monster. I just like his, I mean, I like his style, man. I don't know. I don't know what exactly endeared me to Chuck. You know, I told you, I find this very interesting that he is the Silver Spoon kid with the trust fund waiting there with like mega millions in it. And I find him more relatable because he comes across like your everyday man more sold into Bobby Axelrod. You know? So like, to like him. You're not supposed to like Chuck. But I do. I like Chuck. But you do. I do. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Bobby Axelrod. Everybody on the billion. Shout out Wendy Rhodes. Who's a real G in this thing. Let's be real. Wendy like holds all this shit together. I don't know how long you've. Wendy is a boss. You know what else she played and I was trying to figure out where I knew her from? She was in Sons of Anarchy.

And that's where I knew her from. And I didn't. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, okay, I don't want to spoil too much, but Wendy's a G. Rone of the Week, Chuck Rhodes, though, because Billions is back, baby. Billions is back. But my real one of the week is going to go to a young lady from Canada. I don't know her background. But she hails from Canada, and she's playing in the U.S. Open semis, I believe. And her name is Lela Fernandez, like a young 18-year-old who's been out there knocking off, like, big-time women's tennis players.

Did she beat Naomi Osaka? Didn't she? She did early in the drop. And then she came back and she doubled down against, like I'm trying to pull up all who she played, but she's beating some heavyweights on the way to where she is right now.

And she's just a G because, first of all, she's got a really cool game to watch. Like there's some flare to it. You know what I mean? It's not like vanilla type of stuff. There's some real flare to it. And then she's super good at the mic

when they talked to her after the match. She was really endearing to the fan. She was talking about having fun. she's bubbly and smiling. She's a G, though. Don't get it twisted. Like she doesn't look like a killer, but she is a killer. Layla, I hope I'm saying it right, Fernandez.

I think we're starting to see this turning in sports right now. And you're starting, it's like it's a changing the guard era right now because, you know, like in the NFL, Tom Brady, he's probably going to play at least 50, but you see Tom Brady and Drew Breeze has retired, Peyton Manning's on doing Monday Night Football. You see that in basketball. LeBron's getting towards the end. You're seeing that in women's tennis too.

with Serena Williams, you know, just at the end of her, at the end right now. And same with Venus. But there's this new guard. You got, you got Coco, you got Naomi Osaka. You got these women that are, it's just changing. You're seeing it in the WMBA with Sue Bird leaving, but you got this new crop of young ladies. It's, it's, I'm loving to see this in the, in the U.S. Open. Let's, before we get out of here, we talked about this story in the beginning.

and I know this is something that's near and due to your heart. Football right now. Tom Brady's playing tonight. Who are you? Who are you? We're recording this on a Thursday. This is going to come out later

with recording us on a Thursday, but I just want to hear, who are you rooting for this season, Rajah? Are you locked in? How are you feeling? What are your emotions going of this NFL season right now? Yeah, I'm all over the place.

I got to keep it a buck. I really want Tom Brady to double down and do really well. For the old guys. For the old guys. Yes. But I'd like to see, I'd like to see him lose in the, in the Super Bowl to either the Chiefs or the Baltimore Ravens. And the Ravens have had a terrible camp, like a terrible camp with the injuries and stuff.

Like, Dobbins and their receipt, like, I think a receiver just got hurt and another back went down. Like so. I don't know. Who was not a friend of the show, but a friend of the show because we love Lamar Jackson. He got COVID. Damn right. He got COVID. Hey, if you need a 707 quarterback for your team, which is local.

down here next year. Lamar, holl at me. We'll be 15. We'll be playing 15 you. But I'd like to see him lose in the Super Bowl to one of those dudes, you know? And can I be honest with you, though?

On the low, I might be a New Orleans Saints fan this year. Oh, okay. Even with the quarterback situation? Bro, I get down with James Winston, bro. Chill. You know what I think he is? I think there's a little bit of Ben Simmons

vibes there. Oh, okay. Needs a new environment. You're in a bag coming back too. You're over here doing like NFL to NBA comps. Okay. It's been a minute, bro. No, so those are my teams.

I mess with the saints. Where are you at? Okay. So when this releases, we got the Raiders and the Ravens coming of Monday night football. And I am so conflicted because I love, obviously, the Raiders, Oakland Raiders, the silver and black. I don't know if you've ever gotten to this propaganda, but the Raiders and the Cowboys have the top propaganda in the league. It's the top two propaganda machines in the league.

The Raiders, I'm so conflicted, but I'm here. I'm here with the Oakland Raiders, I'm here. Okay? There you go. But also the Ravens, I just see, I know they've gone through injuries, but I just really, there's a time right now. I want to see Lamar Jackson win a title. I want to see it for everything.

that that represents. So the Raiders, obviously, just because they've just treated me so bad as a child, but, you know, I'm locked in with the Raiders. But the Ravens are my, are my East Coast team. And I'm really excited. This is the first time I've been excited about an NFL season in about five, six years, to be honest with you. I haven't been this excited.

I'm really ready to go. Why doesn't anybody put any respect on that man, Derek Carr's name then? Just coming for somebody who cheers for that team. I'm like, why? Why? Because he doesn't, because he doesn't deserve it because he's just like, he's an, he's an empty stats guy. He's not, he's not, he's an empty stats guy. I'm sorry.

I just, I, I, I, I'm speaking to somebody that was the leader of the Derek Carr fan club in 2016 that was like he's going to lead us to the promise land. He's the best quarterback ever. He's better. Who's Kenny Stapler? Who's Rich Gannon? I was this all in right there, right? I wasn't, I was like, who like, who, like, who, who's Jim, Jim, that's disrespectful. I'm not going to talk about Jim. Jim Pluckett's a legend.

All these guys are legend. But that's how I was feeling. Like, this guy is the guy. Now, I don't feel that way about it. I was, I was pro like, let's get Aaron Rogers up into silver and black. Let's just get him in there. Let's get him into silver and black. Yeah, I mean, anybody can get Aaron Rogers.

You get Aaron Rogers. But I feel you. I feel you. I was just like any quarterback on the market. Let's get him over Derek. Let's get Tom Brady. Let's get, oh, oh, Peyton Manning is around the game. Let's get him out of retirement in the Silver and Black.

That's where I was at way. He looked good down at the Manning Passing Academy. I took my son. It took my son earlier in December. He looked good. Peyton's all. Man, I think, I don't know if I said this. I know I said this.

I am locked in to Peyton Manning. I'm locked into everything NFL propaganda. I've been like watching highlight. We should get out of here after. I've been watching highlights of like, like Arch Manning, who is like the archmanning is the nephew of Peyton Manning and Eli Manning. He's Archie's kid. He's, he's, he's, uh, Cooper's kid.

Yeah. Dude is a beast. He's going into the junior, his junior. his junior year of high school is out of your ball and he can run, he can throw. He might be the next one. He might be like the lamello ball, that family to where he's the youngest, but he's out here,

like he might be the best. I talked to him in Louisiana. I talked to him in Louisiana. Like, he's bigger to me, bro. Archman, you did go to the past. How was Archvany? Is he the truth? No, I mean, it was, it was brief, right?

Because we were like my son wanted to say, was sub. They took a picture and stuff like that all fair. We're talking about that all fair, bro. He's a strapping dude, man. Like, he's a big old boy. Okay. This is when we get to the dog days of real ones.

We start talk about other stuff. We start talking about the real stuff about what we think about. Okay, let's just get to the, that's been another edition of Real Ones. Make sure you check us out. We're all over the place here, man. I don't know when we're coming back. It's just, you know, this is where we're giving you one.

We're here. We'll be back. I don't know what's going on. But in the meantime, make sure you check out the full slate on NBA. Make sure check out the answer, who had a really good show. makes a group chat just came back. Check out the mismatch. Check out everything else on the ringer feed.

Ringer verse. Black Girl's songbook with who, Roger Bell? Down legend, Danielle Smith. And R2C2 with who, Roger Bell? What? The Crestside clown? C.C. Sabathia. Who will probably be in the building

at the Vegas Raiders game, the home opener, baby. And then make sure you check out everything on the ringer slate. But check that out. We will guys see you when we see you. Peace.