The Ringer NBA Show - All-Star Gripes and Glories, Kevin Garnett’s Rocky Relationship With the Timberwolves, and Blake Griffin Signs With the Nets | Real Ones

Episode Date: March 8, 2021

First things first, the Mad Hooper, Kellen Becoats of The Ringer, stops by to tell us why he's so mad (0:25). Then Logan and Raja get into their highlights, hot takes, winners, and losers of the 2021 NBA All-Star Game in Atlanta (4:00). After that they dive deep on The Athletic’s report detailing Kevin Garnett withdrawing his bid for ownership of the Timberwolves (23:45), Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert publicly complaining about how they’re being refereed (37:10), and Blake Griffin signing with the Brooklyn Nets (52:00). Hosts: Logan Murdock and Raja Bell Guest: Kellen Becoats Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Fact checker at the Ringer. He's very successful in his life right now. And I'm just trying to figure out why he's so mad. So, Kellyn, why the hell are you so mad? All right, man. Let me tell you all while I'm mad, son. These Knicks fans got to chill the hell out. Every time they get a win,

I feel like one of the characters from the Chappelle show, Player Haters Ball Skit. Like, I get that most fan bases are annoying as hell online. Like, I understand that. But Knicks fans belong in their own category. Narily beating out the likes of Cowboys fans, Lakers fans. I'm looking at you, Logan, and Sasha.

the Yankees fans and Ohio State fans. All y'all in your own little group, but Knicks fans way up at the top, all right? Now, a few things off the top. This may be exacerbated about the fact that I live in Brooklyn, and I hear people talking outside my window about the Knicks all day. I'm tired of it. Am I bitter that they have my favorite team's old coach

and about two of my favorite former Bulls from this past century? Yeah, like I get it. The Knicks are legitimately good. They got a top three, or their top three team on defense, they got over 500 record, and they got a real steal on the manual quickly. But they also got Elford Payton, Reggie Bullock, R.J. Barrett, Julius Randall and Mitchell Robinson. All right. Let's, let's calm down. And Frankie Smoke's look good, but he's not looking good enough to be going viral every other day.

All right. Don't be going on Twitter talking to me about Julius Randall's better than Chris Bosch ever was. Shut the hell up. Y'all don't know what you're talking about. There have been some real, real stupid tweets in the past month on NBA Twitter, but that is a top two stupid tweet. All right? I don't need to see y'all massless celebrating outside MSG because y'all made it to 17. to 17, relax, your 500, calm it down. Your team hasn't made the playoffs since Mike Woodson was the coach. I was reading a story on New York Post today. The Knicks fans are blowing hundreds of dollars on last-minute COVID tests

so that they could get into the arena, which doesn't seem like a great idea, considering we're still in the damn Panini. So, like, I feel like maybe everybody should just take a little chill pill, you know what I'm saying? Like, the post says that an MSG spokesperson told them that you need a PCR test, which basically mean you need a test within the past like three days or whatever to get in. But again, stop going to the arena.

Let your team get like real good. You know what I'm saying? Like let y'all get into the playoffs, not talking about the playing games. Like let y'all get really, really into the playoffs and host a playoff game. And then y'all can be out here, hopefully vaccinated, celebrating in these streets. Until then, shut the hell up. Hold up. Hold up.

Hold up. Hold up, son. Hold up. What's up. Listen, let me hop in here real quick as the resident Nick's fans, son. And just talk to you a minute, kick some game. Okay. Okay.

We are sitting firmly at 19 and 18 in the garden, son. We are the mecca of basketball. The number one team in the Eastern Conference is only at 22 and 12. Like we are a whisker behind them. In terms of our Julius Randall, Julius Randall is five times better than that boy that used to play up in Toronto, went down and became relegated to a three-point shooter in Miami. All right. He's carrying a franchise right now, the hopes of a whole damn city, the big apple,

and never sleeps is on his man's shoulders. and he's delivering left and right. We can't help it if the end of our bench is square. We got some time to get rid of that. We're going to work on that. That's my argument. So that's why I'm mad. Bro, you won't tell me,

y'all not even the best team in like a 10-mile radius. And you're talking about you the best team in the East. Relax. Talk to that man, Kevin Duran. Then we can have a conversation. Real ones. Start to record right now, bro. We're hot.

We're coming in hot right now. We're ready to go. Okay. Hey, man. Mike check one, two, one, two. What? is, I'm recording right now. Is Drake the biggest?

You said is Drake? Drake was the biggest? I didn't say that. Is he not the biggest artist in the game? He is the biggest artist. I can't make a mistake. I said, he's the biggest artist. I feel like you're hating right now.

I'm asked, and I'm not hating. I'm a big Drake fan. The question is, is he the best? And that's what I thought you were just launching into. He is the biggest and the best in the game right now. Yes. At this very moment, yes. I'll defer.

I'm not a hip-hop. Like, I'm not into this generation of hip-hop. The same way I was. I appreciate it. Okay. I appreciate it. I think he's dope. Like, I like his soul.

I'm just saying it. There are on Twitter now. You're on Twitter now. You should know when new stuff comes out, bro. You need to follow more than 18 people. I really, you know what I feel? I feel like I'm,

I feel like I'm like lost without an iPhone in the Twitter landscape. Like I can't get where I'm trying to go. Like I know where I want to go with my Twitter game, but I can't get there. Like I don't, I need a tutor or some shit. Like I'm bad. All right, man.

Let's get to your shit. And, and like I got into it with a cat the other day on Twitter. Like, you know. Oh, no, we'll get to the show. We don't get to the show. Go. Use all that, Sasha. That's a cold open right there. Anyway, that's called,

it's called radio. Anyway, um, what's popping? Real ones, Logan Murdoch here with Roger Bell. Roger's coming in hot today. You good, bro? How you doing, man? No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm going to just keep it a book. Tell them, why you're mad, son. I'm going to tell you what, Matt. I went, I was like, boom, like, got a pot in an hour, all right?

Tell the kids, hey, daddy's going to go get himself ready. You got a pod. If you need me, I'm in the office. Like, you guys can handle your school on your own. So I'm in the mirror. Like, and it's been a while, right? Like, I looked at myself for a good hard, like, 10 or 15 seconds. And I'm like, damn, dog, COVID has really taken a toll on your boy. Like, hairline even further back than it was gray in my, in my, in my lightweight, little scraggly beard and shit. Like, I was lightweight depressed. I'm not gonna keep it a buck. I looked. I was, COVID has not been nice to me. You look fine, bro. Did you do the, like, did you do the, uh, uh,

Let me see. Let me see. Let me see. Yeah, you already look old, but did you use like a quick, a quick black guy on your hair? I don't see no gray hair right now. Well, I'm actually like I've been blessed in that regard like that I'm not all the way gray because I got friends who are. But I guess my point is like pre-COVID, you could barely see any. And now when I look in the mirror, like I see patches of it. And so it's really- That's because you were bald, you were bald during throughout the whole time. He was keeping a schedule when you were getting your hair cut. Now it was just all erratic, bro. You don't even, you know, do you even care? Do you even care anymore? Well, I really don't.

But, like, today, for some reason, I did. And I just, it was, it hurt my feelings, man. I can't have my feelings hurt. Like, I'm supposed to be a robot in this shit. I'm, my feelings were hurt. I mean, you know, ruins, ruins, ruins, everyone's get hurt too, right? My feelings were hurt, like, earlier this week on Twitter, dog. Like, we, listen, man, some cat was in that, that shit going.

at me calling me like a virus in Utah and shit like that, bro. Again, I don't know what's appropriate for Twitter, but I felt like I needed to defend myself. Let me give context really quickly. Let me have context really quickly. I was looking on Twitter the other day. This was after the Darren Williams episode hits. And I see Raja just, I see one response to him. I'm like, all right, cool.

He's a sent one response to a fan. Cool. Like, or a listener. I don't know if he's a fan, but a listener, right? And I go back. I turned the phone down. I'm like, all right, I'm not even thinking anything. I picked the phone back up.

There are five more responses to this dude's one response, Roger. You got a lot of shit off your chest, bro. You got a lot of shit off your chest on Twitter. You, like, really took the bait. I did. So that's bait. See, this is why I need a tutor for Twitter, right? Like, that's not the platform for that, I guess.

It's probably why I shouldn't be on Twitter in the first place. But, like, I'm not out here for, like, if you want to call me out for, like, factual shit and slander me. Okay, cool. But you ain't going to be sitting out here calling me out of my name, daw. We ain't going to do that. Roger, Roger, what's hella funny is, the first one of, like, probably the second thing I thought of

when I saw this. The first one was like, what the fuck is he doing? The second thing I thought of was Roger's matured now. He's a little older. I can only imagine what he would be doing if he was in his 20s and had Twitter, because you were going in with, like, six responses, you probably would have

found this dude's address and just pulled up on him if you would have if this was 20 25 year old raja it it confirmed for me that like twitter is too much personal access both both for me and for other people like i have no business being in the landscape it's entertaining at times like i can dig why you need to do it here's a thing no there's a thing no i'm out i don't respond to that because you get too much like you just get way too much stuff man and also you have a platform right here to where it's a bigger platform you currently have right now on the twit so just you feel me you If you want to get some stuff on your chest, you can do it right here.

Well, I'm, you know, look, I never shy away from getting it off. I'm just saying I felt like the, I was engaged. Like, you know, like the access to just fire off a couple of words. You were triggered, bro. Yes, dog. He had me in it. Good, good for you. If that was, hey, whatever his name is, if that was like what you were,

if you were really trolling trying to elicit that response, like, well done. Well done. He got 17 responses from you, and he got a shout out on the pod, bro. He got exactly what he wanted to do. now. That's the world we live in. See, this is my old carbuggin. That's the world we're in, right? Like, it's just... Yep. Yep. Yeah, I don't...

Now everybody's going to hit you in your mentions just for the cloud, just so they can get on real ones. And it ain't going to happen. It's the last time. It's not, because I'm shutting my shit down. You ever wanting to get verified about to shut the shit down. How do I go about that, though? How do I go about that? Like, let's see. If I can get verified, I stay on. No, you know what? You know what? Let me keep it a buck. Joe Me? For into the show.

Make it happen. Social team. Joe me. I'm looking right at you. I'm looking right at you, player. Okay. Anyway, um, who gets to the shit.

This is after the, that was a nice little warm up, huh? Oh, I've been warm, dog. Oof, anyway, All-Star game yesterday. Yeah.

Thoughts. And that's what thoughts, Roger, what did you think? Um, my stance on the league not, like, needing to not do it,

may have changed. I don't think they needed to do it, but I'm glad that they did. I think they navigated it pretty well. Could have been a catastrophic thing with, with Ben Simmons and Joel Embed though, like dodged a bullet.

No, listen, sitting there as a fan with my kids last night watching that gate, watching it. It was fun. Like, and I appreciated it. Hey, Roger. Atlanta is in shambles, bro. Did you see Atlanta? Like, the All-Star game was great in itself, right? The All-Star game was a fun time.

Steph won a three-point shootout. Dunk Count of this was, eh. We'll get to that in the second. It was an entertaining game, by all accounts. but our guy Mark Stein from the Times

said that the NBA had to send out over 200 cease and desist letter cities parties because they were affiliating themselves with the NBA during a raging pandemic

yo I saw some of these on IG bro when nobody wearing a mask but it was fights it was so lit in these Atlanta clubs bro it was just

it was particularly was bro. I mean, I don't know what it's like where you are, but this is our normal here. Like, I'm out like, no one in Florida is wearing a mask outside in public. Like, no one, like, you know, when you go into the store, they are, but I've been multiple places over the last week or so where I'm like, oh, so this is just how we're doing this now? Like, this is, uh, I mean, I'm not, I'm no deposit. I'm going to be about all of that. But I wasn't as surprised maybe because I see that. I'm just saying California, California is different. We live in this bubble, bro. Like there, I mean, there are some people that don't wear masks.

But for the most part, by and large, they wearing masks out here. And I can't tell you the last time I saw a flyer for a day party, a club, but none of that out here. Right. I don't even know what that is. But I'm just saying like. All-Star weekend, dog. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I ain't never been. You know what, I've been to one all-star weekend. That was when it was out here in Oakland in 2000. And I was six. And me and my mom did the thing where there was this little, there was, it was, remember the all-star jams back in the day?

I don't know what they still do it. But the all-star jams. And it was one of those tapes where you can commentate on some of your favorite iconic NBA moments. And me and my moms did the Michael Jordan last shot in Utah. Yeah. Was that one, right? That was the beginning of my journalism crew right there. That was when I was like, oh, this is tight.

I'm going to do this. I was like six. So shout out to the All-Star Weekend in Oakland for that. The game was cool. You had some gripes about a certain – type of player that should not be in the All-Star game, though. Raja. You're trying to set me up, and I know I came in hot.

You came in hot and you did this. This is your fault. Tell us why you mad. You're really mad this morning. I'm mad for a segment of the NBA population. Big men have no place in All-Star games. They have no place in them. Like, unless you're Janus and you're able to do freaky things out in the perimeter.

I'm about to call bullshit on that, but go ahead. Nah, you could call it, but like, I feel bad for them because clearly they're all-stars and they deserve to be in the game. But the way the game has changed, like I just feel bad. They're stuck in the middle. Like there are no real touches for a big man. Like every now and again last night, Rudy Gobert got the obligatory like, hey, let me give you this dunk down low big fella.

But other than that, he was like at a place the entire game. I felt bad. Yeah, no. Big man absolutely deserved to be in the All-Star game. You talk about Shaq? No, that was it. Shaq? Hold on.

Let me talk. I let you talk. It's not what I said, though. It's not what I said. Let me talk, bro. Go. Go. For damn near a decade and a half, Shaq made the All-Star game.

Hell of fun, man. You know what I mean? You just need these big men just to be showmen. You know what I mean? I don't think you need to take them out of the game. You need them to just do fun stuff. Like Joelle Embed, who would have been great for the All-Star game because he's talking shit. He's putting his fist up in the air.

He's just, he's milly rocking. He's doing whatever he can. to get under people's skin. That's what you need, man. You don't need just some guys standing around. You need entertainment is all it is. I don't think that the, I think you're discriminating against the big man.

Now I see why David West used to elbow you, bro. You know, we're hating on the big man. Can I speak now? Yeah, go ahead. Because you completely took what I said and twisted it. I did not say that they did not deserve to be in the game, nor did I ever say I did not want them in the game. I said, I felt bad for them because there's no place in the game for them.

The game is played like completely. You said in the pre-pod meeting, and it alluded to that. You're not living your raps, B. See, but you're not listening, man. Like, you're ready to talk before you're listening, bro. And I, like, I'm with you. And that's why Janus, I actually thought Joylen B would have been a good fit as a big in that game. Nicoliochich, not bad.

But Vucevich and Rudy Gober, their style of play isn't really conducive to being, like, hell of fun to watching an All-Star game. And it's okay. Like, I still think they deserve to be there. I just felt bad because, like, you're big, you're there. You have a certain skill set. It doesn't match the game that's, like, unfolding. And you're left kind of like, well, shit, I can't get off in this type of environment.

And I felt bad. Okay. Okay. So, no, you're not excluding anyone from. Nah, hell no. Like, look, man, Joel M.B is my MVP right now. I think Biggs deserve to be there. The game, and I thought it was great.

Like, I loved watching it. These cats shoot the ball. Logan. Like, did you see the way they were shooting the ball, bro? I did. It was funny because I was just like, damn. Stefan, like, for a second, I was like, Steph and Dame together on one team. Somehow we need to make this happen, right?

I was just like somehow, they're chucking from three-point range, man. Like, they are, they're buddy, buddy, man. I just was like, we need to see that happen. And also to see LeBron and Steph on the same team. And also more than anything to see Steph back in an all-star, weekend was great. Just to see that. Like, we were, I feel like we weren't able to see stuff in last year's All-Star game because he was injured. And it was just good to see that, man, what

excitement he brings to the game. You know, because one thing we're going to get to, I'm sure is the dunk contest and how it wasn't, how it wasn't good. By all accounts, it wasn't good. But I think part of that is, because we didn't really have any stars. We didn't have anybody to, like, really be invested in to watch that. Now, you take that to the three-point contest, we have a bona fide top five play. in the league, just killing in the three-point contest. That was really good to see that, to see someone win the All-Star weekend like that, I believe. Just to play really good in an All-Star game.

Didn't get the MVP, but to get an award like the three-point shooting competition. It's a fun thing to see this weekend. So I want to take it back to my original comment about kind of changing my opinion on whether the NBA should have done the All-Star. when I started to really shift the way I felt was when I saw Steph and a couple other players specifically and the emotion that they had and they were having a good time. I think Steph led to charge with that. Like you could see how happy he was to be there and how he was enjoying himself. And so that spoke volumes to me as a former player. Like if they're having this much fun and I'm sitting here with my family watching and enjoying it,

then it's probably the right thing to do. I'm with you and that you need stars to compete in some of these things to kind of drive interest in it. Steph, the three-point shootout was the best of the competitions for me. It was because, you know, you had Steph, but, you know, Mike Conley, you had bigger names across the board, you know, in terms of Jason Tatum and, you know, Donovan Mitchell and Jalen Brown. across the board you had bigger names. Like, even if Steph is not in the conversation, I still think it's a better product because you have bigger, bigger names, you know?

Yeah, for sure. I think that, and historically, over the last decade, last few years, the three-point contest has been, By and Lawrence, the event. It's the show. Especially with the rise of the three-point shot, it is the event now. And I never, I didn't, growing up,

I did not think that the three-point contest would overthink the duck contest. And it absolutely has. kind of honestly been three points, skills, then dunk contest. And maybe there was a couple years in between. You talk about the Zach Levine. Dunk contest was great. The other Zach Levine with Aaron Gordon was great.

And then you have like a couple in between with like a few Jason Richardson ones. But over the last few years, like it's been a right. The dunk kind has been all right. But it's more so of like no one wants to, no one of reverence. I wasn't like Dwight Howard wants to go into the dunk contest. And it's like, okay, well, then I don't want to watch this. I don't want to watch such an, I never heard of these players. I don't want to watch them play.

So it was what we're at. I missed the day where like, you know, your MJs and your, your, your, your, Dominiques and guys like that would get. I mean, I don't, I don't know that it ever goes back to that. So you just got to kind of, you got to wrap your mind around it. But I do think the league has to do. And maybe this year was a different set of circumstances because you were trying to, like, reduce the amount of people they were going to be, you know, in, in that bubble, so to speak,

down there. So you didn't want to have. But there, you can get a more, I have no problem with the three dunkers that were in it, none at all. But, but you can have a more comprehensive field. Do you know what I mean? Like, you can, you can have a few, you know what I mean? Like, and that, that helps drawn up, you know, more interest. The rules were super shitty like that. You know, maybe you were just trying to squeeze in in a half time. I'm not even going to like, bite my tongue or mince words with that. It was shitty. Like that, you know, like it was, Nope. It just had no There was no drama. There was no buildup.

Like it was like, no, we didn't get back to the game. Correct. Correct. So it didn't do them any favors. But they need, you can't just have three people out there, Logan. Yeah, I mean, I think that that's more as to do with the fact that they just like, oh, we need a dunk contest. Put it in the halftime. I think that's also what it was for the most part. I think next year, hopefully next year that they have, you know, the world is totally different and they're able to have a full All-Star weekend.

I think it's in Salt Lake City. It's going to be cold. But, yeah, I think it'll be, I think it can be better. But, you know, it has to be buying from the superstars. But it was overall, by the on-court product was really good. I mean, it was good. It was a good thing to see a lot of people happy. It was a lot of, it was a good thing to, you know, the only thing that was different was it was, it was played alongside Oprah's big time interview with Megan Merkel.

That was messy. But, yeah, I didn't see that. I do know that there was a sequence right before halftime where I think Dame caught a co-a-op, then maybe a couple plays took place. And then from an out-of-bounds play, Steph Curry backdored from the right wing and caught a pretty nice two-hand banger.

Like that's not an easy catch-and-dump. You know what I mean? And so and then came right back down on the other end and Steph threw a lob to CP3. You got three relatively small guards all catching lobs in the first half. And then the first half was- You young ins who can't jump.

You short dudes who can't jump, love them weak dunks, don't you guys love those little dunks. Short dudes who can't dunk, why? You're putting, you lumping me in that? Yeah, I see. What, was you a dunker? I wasn't a dunker in the league, bro, but I went 40. I gave you, I had 40 on the vert. I give you whatever kind of dunk you want.

Mm, just between the legs. Don't try me. We weren't doing, we weren't doing between the legs dunks when I came up. Nash, Nash, was not, I had never seen no Lows to Roger from Nash. That was not how I played. the NBA. But in college and in the CBA, that's what I did. And it speaks to when you get somewhere and you kind of figure out your role and, you know, it takes too much to go in there and try to dunk. I remember trying to dunk on Dekemeh Metumbo, one of my first practices with the Sixers,

coming straight out of the CBA, like, yo, I will crack on anybody. And he did not block it, but the foul that took place and me having to like pick myself up up the floor. and make sure that my bones weren't broken, I was like, oh, oh, no, no, no, no. Did he give you the finger afterwards? Did he do the no, no, no, after? I didn't get it because he didn't, he didn't, like, cleanly block the shot. It was just a lot of contact. Wait, did he do that in practice, too?

No. No, he wasn't a finger waiver in practice. But the point was, like, that's just not what I did. But don't be sleeping on my bounce, though. That's disrespectful. And a lot, I let you get away with a lot of loose rap, but we ain't going to do that. Oh, okay. All right.

All right. Okay, whatever. You can sit at your ass on notice. We ain't going to do that. I'm in my camera right now looking at you. I'm right here. I'm right here. You're talking real tough on the phone, nephew.

Wait, don't get me. You almost got me like whoever that was on Twitter the other day, bro. You almost had me. Yo, man. This spot is already off the real. Let's take a quick break, man. And let's talk about some stuff that has piqued my interest. In Minnesota, barf.

And we're back. This has been a wild show already, man. We're off the rails. But let's get back on track. So last week, the Athletic Post today's story on KG's relationship with the Timberwolves. Most notably, KG's relationship with Timberwolves owner Glenn Taylor, who he's long had like a simmering little beef wit. You know what I mean? Over the years, called him a few names.

I'll say that. called him a snake a few times. Let's paint this picture really quickly. So KG, face of the Timberwolves, that is unassailable, unequivocal, everything that you want to say, he is the Timberwolves, right? So, you know, has his Timberwolves career,

goes to the Boston Celtics, goes to the Brooklyn Nets, comes back to the Minnesota Timberwolves, I believe in 2015. And according to him, the plan was for him to, you know, groom Carl Anthony Towns, groom this young team, and then retire and then get either an ownership stake

or work towards owning the Timberwolves at some point in time in a group that featured Flip Saunders. Flip Saunders passes. KG says that the initial talks were then put off the table by Glenn Taylor. And then, ever since then, it's been a war of words between the two. And then recently, you know, I would say recently about in July of last year, KG says, you know, I'm back into bidding. I'm ready to bid because Glenn Taylor is about to sell the team, right? And in this story by the athletic, Glenn Taylor says that there won't never no bid.

And KG announces he's no longer in the bidding process. But when Taylor says there has been no bid whatsoever. he was never in a serious group there was nothing. I don't know who I believe in this, Raja. But I do know this. Over the years, the Timberwolves have not been

have not been great to KG, just in general. They just have not, they haven't even retired the man's jersey yet. Do, from your vantage point, do the wolves owe KG a stake in the franchise at the very least, at the most owning the franchise? Do they owe them that?

No. Do you owe to him to retire his jersey? Yep. Do you owe it to him to bring him back into the fold and try to mend fences as the best player ever in franchise history, have him around and have him involved in that? Yeah. But I don't know that anyone owns anyone else a piece of their business just for having been the best employee there. I don't I don't subscribe to that. Now, there's nothing wrong with that. Like if you chose to do that, like I think it would be a great look for Minnesota. if Glenn Taylor was to do that and to somehow get Kevin Garnett involved. Like, you know, you referenced the Lakers and magic in some capacity, right?

Like, I think that would be great. But the question is, do they owe it to him? And the answer to that for me is no. I can agree with that. I can't agree with that. Because, I mean, NBA and NBA franchises are, one, it's a business. And two, like, yo, Glenn can tell whoever he wants. Now, I don't know the backdoor conversations that they had.

That hasn't been, you know, fully publicized. It's basically he said, she said, this is what happened behind the scenes. For whatever reason, KG feels like there was a deal in place. Now, if there was a deal in place and there was an understanding in place, then I would feel KG, right? I feel him. It's different. But even then, like, unless it's in writing, you know this is being in business.

Like, it's been in writing and it don't mean nothing. Yes. The handshake deal over a scotch or bourbon, like that's, you know, because that does boil down to he says, she says, like, or he said he said. Like, you have to have that in writing. There's a contract in place, a deal. Anything short of that, and you're not owed anything. And that's unfortunate, but that's the way it is. How should teams treat their star players then? Because even with the ownership, beef, I don't believe that the wolves have treated KG well at all during. his time. So ownership aside, like, what is a good way to treat a star player who was a cornerstone player in your franchise history? First, I think it's important that a team, let's just for the sake of the argument, say that the star is difficult and there's like a contentious relationship with ownership or something like that when he's there. But he's able to do things in the franchise that no one else has ever done and he's the best player clearly in franchise history. I think

the franchise owes it to the player to separate the two once he's retired and there's been some time between the situation and the ability to maybe retire his jersey. So those have to be separate conversations though. Like I might not have loved said player while he was here, but, you know, he lived and breathed what we did. He was the face of the franchise. We got to the, you know, we did what we did. His jersey needs to be retired. That's fair. You have to be able to separate the emotion and celebrate him in whatever signage that you have in the arena that keeps a connection to the past with your franchise. And all of that's important. Now, if that owner is still in place and that player wants to be back around the franchise and those fences haven't been mended, that could be a

difficult thing, Logan. And I'm going to go back again and say, like, you don't owe them anything in that regard because, you know, it's your business. You can run it how you see fit. I don't think it's the prudent way to run your business. You want. links to pass success, best players in franchise history, to have relationships with the new guys, right, and to be around as a resource, not just to them, but to fans and so on and so forth. So I don't think it's great, but you could choose not to do that. I think, again, organizations need to understand that, like, the retiring of a jersey and the celebration of a player that did what they did for your franchise has to be separate

from, like, who that person was, you know, behind closed doors in argument. with you over contracts and so on and so forth. The biggest thing that we have to, you know, realizing this is it's not just about KG, it's not just about Glenn Taylor's. It's not about the Timberwells. It's a collective. And this sets precedent for future players

and who want to come there and who, what they think about that organization. You know, optics in general, from a player standpoint, you know, a player sees what Glenn Taylor is doing and his best player of all time, not getting treated, you know, right from a player standpoint, people see that, you know? That's why Kobe got like a big contract

when he clearly was injured and things like that. That's why Magic gets an ownership stake. That's why when Kevin Durant leaves your franchise in Golden State, you say no one else is going to wear his jersey number. It's just simple stuff like that, right? Just to show not just a player that is affecting, but showing future players like, yo, if I want to come to this franchise,

how will I be treated? You know what I mean? So they need to figure that out. I think teams sleep on that. It's a good point. Like, teams sleep on how important it is, you know, we talk about as players every time you go out on the court,

you're auditioning for a potential employer, right? And those employees, you know, being the other, whatever teams in the NBA. But it's important that franchises keep that in mind, too, because players are watching, right? And I would take it a step further, even in terms of, like, you know, And on our last pot, Darren talked about people not wanting to come to Utah, right?

Like, you know, I didn't really experience that. But once I had gotten because I didn't ask anyone to come play with me, right? I wasn't that kind of player. But the point is, I had been to Dallas. I then went to Phoenix and I was in other places. So when I went back to Utah, you know, I could see from some of the dating of what was going on behind closed doors that, like, in terms of like, you know, not really having food available to players after game. in a city where it's going to be impossible to get a meal once you leave there because everything shuts down and Salt Lake at a certain time. So your families are at the game and there's no food prep,

right? And you've got millions and millions and millions of dollars invested in said player. And he got to go to McDonald's and get a meal because there's nothing available to him. Like, you know, I would have these conversations with Kevin O'Connor. Like, hey, well, you think about getting, you know, like, I don't know, just get some catered so you can grab a plate on the way out. You know, stuff like that behind closed doors that weren't necessarily at that time meeting the standards of what was going on around the league. That speaks to players when you're trying to get them to come there

and you're not keeping up with the rest. And so it speaks to what you're talking about, right? Like if you're not going to be the team that's taking care of players, other guys are watching that. They understand that. Yeah, I remember when the Kings got bought, the Sacramento Kings got bought by Vivek

in his big ownership group. One of the first things they did, they were still in Arco Arena. And you remember how that, that, uh, you remember how that visiting locker room was in Arco Arena. Oh,

it was, it was tough. Um, but one of the, the things he did was before he got the new state, the new arena was he re, um, he renovated that new locker room in Arco Arena.

And the reason why he did it was, he said, one of the things that I was hearing was, he said, those are potential free agents. Those are free agents in that, then that, uh,

other locker room. That's right. And to take that a few years later in Golden State, when they have Chase Center, they have one of the best visitors' locker rooms in the league. You know, there's a whirlpool, you know, a pool in there, a hot, a hot pool, a cold tub. You know what I mean? There's a state of the art. It looks like, you know, old school home locker rooms. You know what I mean?

But that's the impression that you give when you, you know, you want free agents because that's their first introduction to. how you guys operate. 100%. You know, like, you know, the war, I'm always thinking on the Warriors because that's what I've seen for his hand. You know,

I have a practice facility in the arena, so even if an opposing player wants to get shots up and don't want to see fans, like boom, here, right here. Or want to get lift weights, boom, right here. You know what I mean? So that's, that's the standard that you're trying to set

when, you know, you hire an organization, especially when you're an organization that's trying to get a facelift, right? That's trying to, you know, you're seeing that in Phoenix. You're old stomping grounds right now, right? Where they're having this change and how people perceive them and how they perceive their organization. But it starts with taking care of your star player and star players, historically great players and Kevin Garnett.

At least just, you know, make the appearance that you support him because it's not about either one of you all. It's about how you want to keep building your business and how you're showing how you treat people who help build that business. you have created or have invested into. You're 100% correct. But we talk about, I say it all the time. Like, you know, there's a reason franchises, some of them are stuck where they are. It's not the players. It's not.

Like, the talent that's come through some of those organizations and have worn those uniforms is in some instances as good as other places. And they might not have had the mega star. Maybe they shouldn't have won a championship. But the reason they are stuck where they are. are as a franchise generally is a bigger problem than the players wearing the uniforms. Can you dig what I'm saying? Yeah, for sure. I mean, and also like ownership and front office don't necessarily got to like these great players, but they damn sure got to fake it. You know what I mean? Because

that's how you get more talent. You know, it don't matter how you felt behind the scenes, but at least front facing you should take care of your guys. So I hope that gets figured out, man. Me too. But again, I mean, I think, Logan, I want to say it again, if you want to be a hardheaded dude and cut off your nose despite your face. You don't technically by the letter of the law owe anyone anything. It's your business. You could run it, you can run it into shambles if you'd like, right? Like, we can both. You can. I mean, what organization are we talking about right now, Roger? No, I'm talking about like if you, if you choose to hold on to a grudge and not have Kevin Garnett as part of what's going on in Minnesota just because there's something going on,

like that's your right to do so. And it's a shame, though, because Soda has some pieces, man. Like Anthony Edwards is great. I really like watching him play. Carl Anthony Towns, he's a great player. I'm just pausing because it's like, man, you know, everything that he's gone through over the last years, it's like, it's heartbreaking. But they got some pieces there.

And just to have the story of them not being the up-and-coming team, but more so of how there's strife within ownership and the greatest player in franchise history is tough. man, especially when you're trying to build something right now. Yep, agreed. So, yeah, man, well, we'll take another quick break and we're going to have talk about a team that is near and dear to your heart, Roger Bell. And we are back.

Roger has his yellow hoodie on. You know, he's in his bag right now. We're here to talk about the Utah Jazz. Shout out Utah, shout out Walter, shout out Tony Jones. Shout out to all the affiliates. You know what I mean? Shout out to them. But they have been complaining about.

referee disrespect, and this is in your bag, Raja. This is your bag right here. You know what I mean? I see you getting riled up right now. You're ready to go. They had beef from last week when they, when Donovan Mitchell said they should have won the game against Philadelphia 76ers. This is the travesty. This is everything.

So, yeah, we're talking about the refs. And does Donovan Mitchell and Rudy O'Barre have a point in this instance? you know that I'm not afraid to take the bait when it comes to refs and whether or not I think. Like I will take that bait gladly. Yeah, refs make hell of mistakes. Not even for them. You take the bait, not even for them. You just got to get stuff off of your chest about the refs.

This has nothing to do with the players involved. But go ahead. It doesn't. But I will elaborate on why I think, you know, it is fair in their eyes. I just, you know, I know refting to be an imperfect sign. So I know refs make hell of mistakes. And I've voiced my opinion as to why it irks me sometimes. In this particular instance, as Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert, I think it's fair that you complain,

but I think you have to realize kind of who you are in the equation. And I mean no shade with this. Superstars are getting these calls, right? They're the ones that get the benefit of the doubt. And I can feel the frustration because you're the best team in the NBA right now, right? Like you have the best record in the NBA. So with that, you expect and you've been conditioned to think that you're going to get calls. But, like, I was in the front office with the Cleveland Cavaliers the year that Atlanta had the best record in the East, and they had four all-stars, but no superstars.

And when we faced them as, you know, LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers, we got the benefit of the doubt because we had LeBron James. Like, so you don't, do you know what I mean? The stars are what generate the calls, not necessarily the team's success. And so while it's certainly not fair to Donovan Mitchell and Rudy Gobert, you've got to understand. That's the way this game is played. Like just because you're a really good team, like you can roll your eyes and I get it. No, no, no, no. I'm on the side.

People ain't going to hear this, though. But it's facts. Like you haven't done enough yet to warrant getting the benefit of doubt unequivocally, do you know? I was going to just ask you about that because Utah Jazz are the best team in the league right now. Absolutely. Unequivocally. They are the best team in the last row basketball. association. However, they still new money. They still way new money. No one is, you know what I mean?

They haven't consistently been the top team in the league for, they haven't been this good since Carl Malone and John Stockton. They were winning 60 games back then. They haven't been this good, right? Sure. So what I mean by that is they still got some dues to pay, right? They still need to play, still have playoff playoff success to have, right? They still got to be, they still got to get to the finals, right? They still have to do, they have to finish the job. And in order to do that, they still have to pay their dues in a lot of ways, in my opinion. Um, what I will ask you, though, like, what does that balance with the refs, right? Because yeah, man, you could say the refs got me messed up. Da-da-da-da-da-da. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, there's, there's bad calls

every day, B, right? But how often before it gets, the message just gets diluted, right? Where this is like, okay, Donovan and Rudy and Dremont and Steve Kerr and everybody you want to call are just being like, they're just yelling at the refs. And then it just doesn't help them at the end of the day, right? Because these reps have feelings too, right? One way or another. Sometimes they'll be sympathetic to your calls and be like, bet, I messed up. I will give you a make of a call.

Very few instances of that. Okay, Rajah, we know that you're scorned right now. We get it. No, no, no, what I'm saying. Like, that happens. If you're not a star, that happens. way less frequent. But what I'm saying is, is like,

what is the balance in always, the balance in talking about refereeing versus just being like, okay, I'm a play through it. What is the balance that you have to have as an NBA player? There's no balance. There's no balance.

You can't win. You can't win by talking about the referees. It's a no-win situation. Now, there- Does it get in your head when you do talk about the-in-the-refs? No, I ain't nobody worried about them. No damn refs. Like, it's cathartic sometimes to get up there

and say your piece, right? Like me on Twitter this week. Like it was cathartic. Like I got it off my chest. It doesn't mean anything to anyone. The rest don't care that you're sitting up there talking about it. The NBA is going to levy. They're fine.

You've already calculated that as a player. You know when you go into that press conference. I don't give a shit if I can find $5,000 right now because I'm getting this off my chest. Is it going to change anything? No, but it's going to be cathartic. I want to get it off my chest. I'm going to say my piece and that's it. So you're saying you felt better after you sent those seven.

tweets. Absolutely. Okay. Absolutely. But now there are times, Logan, and I don't, we're in a playoff series as an organization, you can complain from the top, like from a head coach, you know, maybe even general manager reaching out to the league in regards to plays. That happens in the playoffs all the time. And you can see refs come out in the next game with a different appreciation for the type of play that you've complained about or that you've brought to their attention. There's a balance in that too, though, Roz. because you can't be like the Houston Rockins

and just do like a PowerPoint in the middle of the playoffs and try to get a game back. Like there's balance in there too, man. When you're talking about, you're talking about life, though. Like you can't overkill anything and expect the result that you want to do.

That's all I'm asking. That's why I'm asking if there's balance that you have to have as a player and organization. From an organizational standpoint, yeah, from a player standpoint when it's dealing with the media and calling out refs, there is no balance because it never is going to change

the outcome of a call for you. There's nothing that you complaining and getting a fine. There's no impact that it's going to have on the way your ref. Now, where you can make your hay as a player with refs is in the relationships that you have with them. Like if you can personally, you know, have conversations that don't, you know, get heated and you're able to keep your cool and you can approach them in a way where, you know, they're not automatically put on the defensive, you can gain some traction with them, you know, relationship-wise. But once you get get to a podium and say something about, you know, their inability to do the job or them costing you something. That's not changing your fortunes in the future. Did you, um, did you ever

get to a good place with Greg Willard after you called him out? Called Greg Willard out? Yeah. When, yeah, when you, um, I remember when it was a, uh, when you, when you, when you closed Ryan Kobe, you was like, you know, you got some stuff off your chest because he was elbow and you're, you, I'm pretty sure you said it by name. I can bring up the clip, but. I don't know if I, I don't know if I said him by a name. I know. There was no, there was no, like, refs didn't give you the benefit of the doubt because, so, you know, I mean,

I don't want to do this, but we're going to go. Refs don't, they're not really accountable to anyone other than their, their, you know, boss in terms of, you know, how many calls you get right versus how many you get wrong. Like, there's no real accountability. But you don't think there's been accountability in terms of like, of like the last two minute report. where they put a pool reporter in there

and they ask them a question about what did you think about this call? Like, why did you call this? You don't think there's accountability in that? Do you think there's, that's had any effect on, on, like, do you? I don't.

I mean, there's more accountability by definition than there would be if you didn't have the two minute report. But do you think it's made a difference in the way like some of these guys approach their job? I mean, it makes them a bit more.

I would say human nature would, I would say human nature. I would say human nature would make you a bit, more on edge if you have to talk about every bad call that you make and that there's a last two-minute report that is public after every game. What if you had to come out and defend the reason why you kick JJ Redick out of a game for passing a ball to you? Wouldn't there be more accountability then? What if you had to do that? What if you as the ref had to sit up there and explain why you kick JJ Reddick out of a game? And you were you were grilled with questions about that.

Like the same way LeBron James is grilled with questions as to why he deferred in 2004 on a shot that he should have, by the public's estimation, shot. Like, my point is, I know it'll never get like that, but in two- So you're saying, so you, yeah, your problem is that the refs are too protected in what they do. I don't even care. I don't care, but I'm just saying, like, there's nothing that you're really going to be able to do to change the way they conduct themselves or the business that they do because there is no one that they answer to other than themselves.

So, like, it's just not changing. So from a player's perspective, you can get mad. I got mad plenty of times. You can yell and scream to the rooftops, but it ain't changing anything. You just got to be willing to take your fine and keep it moving. Now, for the Utah Jazz, continue to win. Nah, dog, continue to win.

Continue to double down on you being the best team in the NBA. Donovan Mitchell, continue to take that next step into stardom, and you will start to get the benefit of the doubt with some of those whistles because that's the way it works. Are you okay with the disrespect that we're seeing to the Utah Jazz? Like during the All-Star draft where LeBron says he needs size and goes and picks a bonus over Gobert. And then goes like, well, don't nobody ever play with Utah Jazz on 2K. We'll never play them on.

I mean, fair, but like, relax. Fair, bra, come on. No. Look, you go with Sabonis. I came off the top and said that Rudy Gobert. out of place in that All-Star game, right? LeBron's not stupid. How many All-Star games does he played in?

He knows if you get yourself a big value on the defensive side of the ball, mostly center, that he's going to be pretty much null and void in a game that doesn't have any defense being played in it, right? So, like, I'm not mad that he doesn't pick Rudy Gober when he says he needs size. He needs size that can do other things because that game's not going to be played in the trenches. But the shade was real, though. Yeah. He could have just left it at that.

He could have. Now, Donovan should have probably, I make the argument, he should have been picked already. Like, I don't know why he was sitting there. But what he said was true. Like, most people outside of Utah weren't playing 2K with the jazz. Like, they just weren't. Okay. I remember my player on 2K got drafted by the jazz.

And I, you know, I play with the jazz then. Because your my player got drafted there, dog. You weren't. You weren't. Like, and I don't mean it. any shade. I don't mean no shade. Like, you, I have, this isn't a shady thing. Like, I'm just, did he have to throw the shade?

No. Right? He did not have to do that. But it was no reason. Was there truth in it, though? I mean, like, I'm trying to be fair to everybody. Was there truth in that? Yeah. Like, I'm not, I don't know that my kids play 2K. I don't think anyone's ever played with the jazz in this house. And it's not because they don't like the jazz. It's just for one reason or another, the jazz don't ring bells. You ain't ever just watch your kids are like, but I play it for the jazz. You're like, no, dad, you know what to play with jazz.

We don't do jazz. My kids don't even, my kids ain't worried about me in no damn video game. I just, you know, I think it speaks to a, they're not a, and you could correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure Utah Jazz fans will. It's a great brand, but it's, it's not a national, like, brand. Like, it's more of a, of regional, right? I'm going to say this, though.

Donovan Mitchell gets buckets and 2K. He gets buckets and 2K, is all I'm saying. Like, you could get a nice little, 6,000. Berger from Donovan Mitchell on the right night on 2K. I'm just saying it's a really good team. I'd play with the Jazz on 2K. I would. They got a good team right now.

You said I would. Did you? I have not gotten the new 2K, 2K 21. Anybody who's listening, don't do this. Don't do this. I have not. I haven't gotten to yet. I asked you a pointed question.

You said I would play with the jazz. I'm saying with this team. Have you played with the jazz? With this current roster? How old are you? 27. You're 27. years old. In your 27 years, I would imagine what? At least 20 of them playing video games,

maybe 18 of them. Have you ever played with the jazz? Just sat down and said, hey, I'm going to play with the jazz today. No, because I was a Lager fan and I hated jazz. But, but, oh, man, so look, again, I think we can do both. I hope we can do both. This is no shade at the jazz. Like, it's not. Like, I, I love my-sauce. Soss is so messy in the chat right now. She just put in all-caps. She put in all caps. Got him. But like, I mean, I don't know, man. You know what? I'm going to take that back.

You know where I play with the jazz with? NBA jams. Stockton to Malone. Two-player game. See? Oh, man. Yo, two-player game. Yeah, you couldn't mess with the Lakers two-man game, no on NBA Jam.

But it's cool. Who are they? Kobe and Shaq. What? No, no, no, no. Not at Kobe and Shaq. Shack and Penny. Really?

You won't get Shaq and Penny? No. All right. You're about it. Fact is. Fact is, dog. My point was, I don't have the new 2K right now. You know, 2K, what's up?

I don't have it right now. And I can't play with this roster, this year's roster. If it was this year's roster, I play with it. It's all I'm saying. It's all I'm saying. Okay. So maybe the point that maybe what I'm taking away from the conversation is, Stockton the Malone, old jazz, pre like, 2K video game type of stuff.

So their dopeness as a team would not have been able to be experienced online playing with them and beating people with them. And in between that, maybe they haven't necessarily risen to the level where, you know, they're the best team in the NBA and people want to play with them. Now, I think your points valid, though. Darren Williams, though, was nice on 2K. It was nice. I'm not saying Darren was, and I'm not saying their teams weren't.

But I'm just saying maybe they didn't rise to the level of national profile where people were like, I'm going to hop on the jazz and whoop your ass today. More so. More so. Brom was just trying to get a little on as all he was doing. He definitely was doing that. That's fair, too. that's all he was doing.

All right, man. Let's get to the buyout market right now. Blake Griffin on the Nets, initial thoughts. Eh. Eh. I mean, I like it. I like it. Like you're Brooklyn.

You need front court depth. You need front court defense. Well, in a perfect world, you need front court depth that is defense. But in an imperfect world where there are not a lot of candidates out there for you to scoop up. And Blake Griffin is just kind of sitting around looking. for a home. I think you're going to take the depth, Logan, and maybe you can continue to address front court defense, you know? But like, what are you going to do? Say no to Blake Griffin sitting around, like small ball five. You know, you don't need him every night to be, you know,

two-thirds of himself. You only, you're probably going to need him a handful of games to really have moments. So, you know, I like it. I don't know that it moves the needle a ton, but it's insurance and that's what you're looking for. Yeah, I don't know, man. And I get it. There's no really anybody else on the market right now. I was just like, it just, I just seen a lot of things on the time. I'm like, Blake is on, it's because of the name, but Blake is on the Brooklyn Nets. And it's like, oh, man, injuries have been,

not been good to this guy. You know what I mean? And isn't, you know, he's not as explosive as he once was. You know what I mean? And I think there's a lot of things that, uh, would have been better address if, you know, somebody else was on the table. You know what I mean?

but that's assuming someone else was on the table. And speaking of on the table, or potentially on the table, Andre Drummond, they're looking to, the calves are looking to trade him, but if they can't, they will buy him out

in a leading candidate if he gets bought out as a Los Angeles Lakers. Trouble, that would be tough. That would be trouble. That would be trouble, dog. Like, you give, I mean,

that's how they won last year, right? In today's era of small, and they did have to go small, but they were continually coming in there at times with double bigs on you, bro. They were double bigging you, like until you forced them to match down, right?

Listen, if they can get that, I don't know if they can necessarily go as small as they did last season, just because, like, if you put Trez at the five, he's just that defensively, he just doesn't have it. But I really like how deep this Lager seem, including Trez.

Like, Trez is a great guy off the bench for you, man. Really, really good, I really love that pickup. But in terms of defense, I would love to get drumming in the mix, man. That would be great to have him with Mark Gassal. Trouble. We'll see what happens with Anthony Davis.

But I just, I would be a great pickup. Let me do this real quick, just as I would go back to Blake Griffin, right? Because I think we both feel like our initial reaction was meh to Blake going to the Brooklyn Nets. Let me defend Blake first. second. Blake,

Blake is on a team right now with Jeremy Grant, Killian Hayes, Josh Jackson, Sadiq Bay, Dumboya, Isaiah Stewart,

Mason Plumley, Delon, Rodney, McGruder, Jolo, the list goes on and on of people that you'd be like, okay. So I say that to say

that his inability to really produce is because at least in some part to the fact that he is what you're trying to take away out there, Logan.

You put him on a team where he's the fourth or fifth option the matchup becomes much more favorable for him. Do you know what I'm saying? So like I do think in that role where you, ain't nobody looking to scout Blake Griffin on the scout and report with the Nets,

like I think there's some value there for them. That would just be my defense. That's fair. That's fair. Where he just has to, you know, get 10 points a game, maybe. That's it. You know, if that, you know, 10 and 5, he's fine. And as the opposition would be like, yeah, okay, fine, whatever.

But it's going to be huge, it'll be huge for Brooklyn as a, as, you know, theoretically a backup coming in being able to do that. Like, that's big minutes. That's, those are championship. You name me a team, have a guy come off the bench

in the championship series, like, that's getting production like that out of, you know, a backup five. They're going to take that all the time. Yeah, no. I feel that, man.

We'll see. I don't know, man. I think, we'll see what happens. Brooklyn is still, I mean, he doesn't change how I feel about Brooklyn at all. Like, they're still my pick to come out of the east.

So it doesn't matter. you know, we'll see what happens. But that has been another edition of the real ones. I am Logan Murdoch. That is Roger Bell. Also, man, happy International Women's Day. You know what I mean? Got my Badu shirt on right now.

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This is Media Mondays if you didn't know. And then we got Thursdays where we get some story times. You know, get some players. know what I mean? And then, you know, so we'll see you Thursday. And, um, yeah, check out everybody else. Check out our suits, R2C2 with who, Rosalie. Belayo, Belayo legend. You know it. Belio legend. C.C. Sabatio. You know the vibes. Go see all of our Ringer NBA slate group chat, uh, the mismatch, the answer. Go see, go listen to the ringer music show with Charles Holmes. Go see and listen to Black Girl Songbook with Danielle Smith, The Legend, Town Legend.

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