The Ringer NBA Show - Boris Diaw on Traversing the Globe, Why the Suns Fell Apart, Guarding LeBron James, and Much More | Real Ones

Episode Date: April 22, 2021

The man, the myth, the legend Boris Diaw joins Logan and Raja on a veritable odyssey through his interests and career, starting with his travels around the world on his catamaran and close calls with wildlife on safaris (0:27). Then they talk about the rise and fall of the Steve Nash–era Phoenix Suns (20:14), how and why Boris was traded with Raja to the Charlotte Bobcats (37:50), and his unceremonious buyout in Charlotte, which led to a championship-winning stint in San Antonio (55:30). Finally, they get into his time with the Spurs: playing with Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Kawhi Leonard (1:00:07), guarding LeBron James in the NBA Finals (1:11:41), and getting his ring in 2014 (1:15:52).  Hosts: Logan Murdock and Raja Bell Guest: Boris Diaw Associate Producer: Sasha Ashall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Tell us who the guest is, Roger. I'm thinking a lot about how I'm going to introduce this. So, first of all, from now on, when you hear, like, Boo Boo, you will forever associate. This is his name. He's known in circles as Bobo or Bubu, right? We call him Boo Boo. One of the most talented players I've ever played for it. And I don't say that.

It's not hyperbolic. Like, one of the most talented, gifted players I ever played with. And one of my best and most favorite teammates of all time. You never know when he's going to pop up. It might be on an Apple store on Lincoln Road. you never know where you're going to see him. Boris Diyal. Boris, Boo, boo, welcome, baby.

What's up? How you guys doing? Good, bro. Thanks for coming on with this, man. So where do I want to start, man? Like, I just want to, where are you right now? So I'm in Utah now. I've been back in Salt Lake City for like a couple days.

So, yeah, you catch me at the right time. I was in France for the last couple weeks and I was in Panama about three weeks ago. You were in Panama. So when I first hit you, I was like, look, we want to get boo on a pot. Like, boo, what are you doing? Can you hop on the pod? Do you remember what your response to me was, like right then at that moment? Well, I think I said, like, Thursday I can because I'm crossing the canal or something like that.

Yes, you're crossing the Panama Canal. Can you explain a little bit? Like, I just want to go here first, boys. Like, so three years ago now, right? Like, I'm on Lincoln Road, my youth basketball team. We're grabbing lunch. And I'm in the Apple store. And I see this, you know, kind of hulking figure, like not the same size as the normal people.

walking around. And then I'm like, damn, I think I fucking know him. And it's, it's Boris. So we sit down and Boris begins like to tell me like what he's been up to and I'm telling him what I'm up to. And you were like traversing the globe on your on your, what'd you call it a yacht? Like, what is it? It's a catamaran sailboat. Right. So you can say a sailboat. But a big, big sailboat. It's big enough that it's comfortable to go around. Yes. So, so how like, talk to me about that, bro. Like, is that like, like, you just always wanted a sailboat or you were like, look, I, I, I, yeah. So from when I was playing, I always wanted, I was like, okay, when I retire, I do want to travel a lot because, you know, the season being long, playing national team in the summertime and everything, you don't have much time. And I am a curious person. I like to go see, visit, discover places and different things, different type of food, different type of everything. So I was like, I want to travel when I stop. And so my reflection was that, you know, when you want to go and see many places, but you have time on your hand, because now you retire, you know, you don't have to take a plane and then quick. go there and stay for three days and leave,

like my as well doing on a boat. And so going around the world started, you know, that was the project that started a few years ago. Yeah, that's fire. I don't know if I can call you Boo Boo or Boba. I don't know if I can do that.

But, Laura, all right. So, Boo Boo, how does this work? I've read some interviews to where you go, do you go for six months to a place? How does it work where you figure out, do you have a home base? What the hell do you be doing?

What goes on? on. Yeah, not really. So the idea, what I say is like I'm trying to be on the boat six months out of the year, but it's never like six months in a row. So sometimes I go for a month and then I come back out and come back to France. Because I mean, I don't have a home base. The home base is the boat is the place I spend the most time out of the year. And I spent like a couple months in France. I spent a couple months in the U.S. So the one work that I kept is working as a gym for the French national team. But it's really like a summer thing, you know, like a, when we have it, or it's per period, you know, like sometime we have like two weeks where the team is going to get together in November and then a month in June, a month and a half in September.

So it depends when, but with that, that allows me to get my own schedule and to be able to travel. So now all the free time that I have, I try to go on the boat here and there. And I want to go around the world, but like by step. So I want to stay. Like I say, I have time on my hands. So I don't want to go and rush into a place. So I stay for like two years in the Caribbean. I stay for like six months to a year in the med.

And now the idea is to go stay like but two years in Polynesia. So give me an example really quickly. So say you're going to go see Ra Ra'ra, right? And you're in France. How do you plan this trip? What do you do? What's going? And then say you're planning to go like do the sun's reunion.

So say, okay, boom, you're doing, you're beating row. Should we, should we have a son's reunion? Should we have a 06, 07. We should. That's right there. That's right there. Oh, yeah. He's all the way coordinated.

The 2007. Oh, that's fire. That is fire. He's showing us, he's showing us the son's picture everybody signed it. Except Pat Burke. I don't know why. I don't know why Pat Burke signature is not on there. The only guy that didn't sign it.

Pat, we need that. We need to hold it. hold that down. But how does that work? If you're going to go see Ra Ra in Florida and then you're going to do the Sundry Union in Arizona, how do you plan this out? Well, then I won't go with the boat because it's like, you know, it's too far to go with the boat. So I do fly out of the boat. The boat pretty much, when you go around the world on the boat and you want to be in a nice tropical places, pretty much you stay, you know, in between the tropics, the south and Northropic, like close to the equator. And that's where you go. But you kind of stay there. But you kind of stay there.

But once you go one direction, you don't come back to the other because it takes too long. Like it would take me one month to go from Europe to the U.S. So it's like, you know, if I want to go see somebody for a couple days, I'm not doing that kind of trip. So where does the boat stay? Where does the boat? It just keeps going around the world. So my plan is doing. It's a fucking boat.

No, like he's in Utah right now. You can't take the boat to Utah. I did. I flew out of Panama. The boat was in Panama. I took a plane and then came to Utah. And then I'm going back to Panama in about a week. So, and then I keep going, you know, but the boat wait, wherever I leave the boat pretty much,

he stays in the area, wait for me to come back and then we keep going. But the tour is about 13 years. So wherever it is, you know, it just stay there until I go back on a boat. So, but I think it will take me about 13, but I don't know, maybe 15, 20, I don't know. Who knows? Hey, what, I mean, who really knows? What's your favorite place so far, Bo? Like, where is a spot that you're like,

if I get a chance to come back after this 13 or 15 years, I'm definitely coming back. Yeah. So I would say per places, like per general areas, in the Mediterranean, I love the Croatia, Croatian islands, very tiny islands, super cool. And then the Aeolian islands, it's like north of Sicily. And they have like volcanoes, like erupting.

So you can go hike and go see like some lava, Pudding out of the volcanoes, go around. And on sailing around those small, it's pretty much like a bunch of small volcanoes around, some are extinct and some are, you know, still alive and going. So that was really cool. And then in the Caribbean, I like when I went to the Virgin Islands, you know. Shout out. Shout out to the Virgin Islands.

Respect. Shout out Tim Duncan. I don't know about Roger, but shout out Tim Duncan. He said that he hits you when we were doing a pile with Timmy. he said that you just randomly saw Tim Duncan, just like you were in the Virgin Islands. Like, oh, I'm here. I'm on this.

What's up? What's up? Are you around? Yeah, almost, almost randomly because I know it's not in the Virgin Islands often, but I didn't think it would be there because you just go, you know, every night and then. And I just wanted to give him a shout out. I was like, hey, look, I'm in the Virgin Islands. If you, you know, you have a couple ideas where I should go, you know, which restaurants

and stuff like that. And he just replied to me. It was like, oh, I'm here too. But it was in St. Croix. I was in St. Thomas. So then it's not that far, so I can take the boat and then did a little trip and went and met him in San Croix. That's fantastic.

I love St. Croix. That was my favorite, actually, in the Virgin Islands. Did you dive the drop off of Cain Bay over there by St. Croix? Like, there's a huge ledge that drops off. I know you were a big scuba diver. Did you get to dive that? I don't know if that was the one, but yeah, I did do a few dives over there. in San Croix.

It was pretty nice. And I love Back Island. It's like a state park. Yeah. So we went with the boat. And it was cool because it was not as crowded as the rest of the Virgin Islands. So we were there, went to Buck Island. We're the only boat on there.

It's actually one of the favorite picture I took there was a drone is on Buck Island. That's what's up. How was it kicking it with Tim Duncan and Virgin Islands? That's his crib. And that's where he's from. I'm sure he's a legend there. Yeah, it is. But I mean, you know, I don't know if you've been there, but St. Croix, you know, it's not that big.

Yeah. Yeah. It was a legend, but it was not enough crowd to crowd him anyway. So, yeah, no, you just, you know, came on board. We had like a lunch afternoon place, swim around. So, yeah, just at a good time. I have so many questions I want to ask you, Boris. You talked about the national team. I'm trying to decide where I'm going with that.

Um, what do you, so Utah, right? Yeah. Not a lot of guys call Utah home, right? I think not a lot of guys keep a crib in Utah. Some do, but not a lot of players do. What, like, what part of Utah are you in? Don't give away your address or anything. Are you up in the mountains?

Like you up like Park Cityish? Or are you in Utah general? And what about that town spoke to you? Like, what? Yeah. No, I'm in North Salt Lake. Okay. So I decided, yeah, not to go to Park City.

But at first, when I got, you know, my house, when I came and play here, I played my last season here. And literally, you know, as soon as I got here, just fell in love with like the state, you know. You know, the city is cool and is quiet. So, but at the age I arrived in Salt Lake City, I was not the same dude when I was in Phoenix. So I wasn't looking for the same kind of excitement

when I was 25 and running in Phoenix. So then, you know, being cool and chill in Salt Lake was great. But, you know, more than a city, It's everything around. So all the mountains, because, you know, I start skiing a lot since I retired because we couldn't ski during our career. And I always knew that I wanted to go back to that. I skied a little bit when I was a kid. But now I really go.

I mean, I'm about to go after that, after that face time, not going straight to the slope. It's just we had 18 inch yesterday. So that's probably the last good skiing of the season. So all that. And then all the canyons, all the national parks are around. I mean, you know, you got Zatine. You got Yellowstone up there. You got Mohab, Harcys.

It's so beautiful. And then I know, like, a lot of guys, you know, played here for like five years and never went to any of this, you know, national park. Never went to go and explore. Sometimes because we don't have, you know, much time during the season. But if you, you know, come back off season and you get some time off, it's just a beautiful thing to do. So I really felt enough as a state.

It is. Cindy and I bring the ball. up there, well, pre-COVID, we were coming just about every year to go skiing because it is, you're right, it's gorgeous, didn't have the time to really explore it, but it's a beautiful place. Yeah, let me know when you're coming, man. I'll hit you. He might be there. Yeah, I might. I might. I might not.

But that's why I like this location, because if you're in Park City, you can just only ski in Park City. But if you're here, then you can drive. I'm 45 minutes away from all the ski resorts. So I can go to like seven or eight different ones. I just look at the weather report. Where's the best knowing? That's where I go. Boo,

where's your favorite place to travel, bro? Where's your favorite place on Earth to go? So apart from the boat and from what I was doing before, it's doing safari. I mean, you can see the animal prints and stuff like that. You know, that's probably my African roots from my dad's side from Senegal. And so I love going on safari. So I did eight safaris in a row when I was playing because we didn't have much time. And so for like eight years, I went every year.

Where would you go? South Africa is like a good, you know, to start because it's everything, it's easier. You know, I made it is. Everything is close. You got, you know, small planes take you to all these places. But then I think Tanzania was pretty cool. But my favorite was Botswana. Okay.

It has something called the Okavango Delta, which is like flooded. how you call it, like grasslands? Yeah. And it gets flooded in some season and then it gets dry sometime. And then you got all the in between. So it's pretty cool. You got all the animals, all the life. The predators also coming because of all the life.

And so it's just a great place to go. Any close calls on Safari? A few. A few. My wife will never forgive me for not. Like we had a safari lined up and she got, she got pregnant. And then there was, you know, we hadn't had to have the easiest time. when Dia was born out there in Phoenix, so we didn't go.

She's never let me live that down. But lightweight, I'm afraid to go on safari, though. Like, I don't love being around lions and tigers and shit. No, it's chill. It's pretty chill. You just said you had a close call, yeah. Well, we had a couple. The problem is when you go on foot sometimes.

So if you want to go see more stuff and go check, you know, check some stuff out, then you go on foot. Then it gets a little, you know, a little more tense. So, yeah, the couple close call, like. got was on foot. Like the hippopotamus is like actually the most dangerous one. What happened with the hippopotamus? Well, we went on foot because we wanted to go see the crocodile by the water. But we're going through this tall grass, which actually it was a bad idea. I don't know what the rancher was thinking. Sounds like a terrible idea. Yeah, going through tall grass

in the middle of the savannah. Not a great idea when you got all the lions and everything around. So what happened with the hippopotamus? Well, we just heard it coming through because that's what I said. The one thing you don't want to do is the hippo is going between him and the water, because water is a safe place. And he goes out to eat some grass and then goes back to the water. But if you're in between, it's just going to kill you to get back to the water. I mean, it's not going to eat you because, you know, it's a vegetarian. But they're like Rajah, you know.

But he will kill you anyway, like Rajah. It's not to eat you. Make a point. Well, please. To make a point. So, yeah, that was a pretty good for close call. What was another close call? You said there was a couple.

Give me one more close call. The other one was the buffalo. And buffalo is the one thing you don't want to see on foot. Because on foot, if you see a lion, usually it's fine. You stand your ground. Elephant as well. It's kind of okay. They don't already go for you.

But the buffalo, you never know because they're unpredictable. and if they feel threatened, they're going to attack you just as a like a defense mechanism. So if you're too close to them, that's where it's dangerous. And I was kind of the same. We weren't on foot and we were looking at, you know, tracks and stuff like that. And so we're going down a path and we see buffalo tracks. So we're like, okay, we don't want to follow them because we don't want to encounter them. So we took a different path and they went that way.

And then same. Another time where it was tall grass. So it was tall grass on our right side. And we're just walking along, chilling and looking and looking. the ranger is telling you about, oh, look at these plants and they're doing this, doing that. And then all of a sudden it stops. And so we all stop and we didn't see anything. And all of a sudden, we looked to our right.

And through the tall grass, you just could see the big head of a buffalo hanging out out of the grass looking at us. It was like laying down. And it was just looking at us like straight. But we were like only like 30 feet away. So that was very, very close. So. So the reggie was like, okay, let's just. stay together and then kind of back out because you don't want to spread out because if you spread out

that's when it's going to be scared because that's what like lions all the predators do they're going to spread out to attack you so you want to stay together to show that you're not a threat and kind of walk down and so we start walking back but we we took like three steps and all of a sudden he gets up the buffalo when he gets up run no not yet because if run is going to run after you so when he gets up, it was six other buffaloes around that. We did not see because they were laying down as well next to him. They all stand up. Now we got six buffaloes looking at us and not moving. And we start walking through like a tree. You know, we're like, okay, maybe we need to climb a tree or something. But I was with my mom. I was like, it's not going to be pretty if we have to hide somewhere.

And then all of a sudden, they just run, but in the other direction, good for us. Yeah, you're just, I think I'm going to stay in the truck. I think I'm just stay in the the thing. Rasa, Rarro, what do you think about this, man? No, this is typical, this is typical, like, Boris, though, like, in a good way, like way, way more curious and interested and, like, wanting to be on foot. Like, all of those, all of those rules, like, if you got to give me all of them rules that keep me safe, I don't want to do it.

I'm good. I'll be sitting in the truck, too. I'm with you, Logan. Hey, Boris, tell me, like, your mom is one of my favorite people of all time, right? and you just said that she's on safari. You had mentioned your dad and your roots to Africa, right? And Senegal, just give us a little background. Like, you know, in some places they pick a kid out early.

Like one of my buddies was a head strength and conditioning guy at Cleveland when I was there. And he was telling us what they did in Australia. The kids, they go around and they'd measure them. They'd check what they were predisposed to in their mind be good at, and they would steer kids towards that. You were like genetically engineered to be an. athlete. Like your stock is really good athletic stock. Tell us, tell us about like, definitely, yeah, I got good genes. I mean, you know, my mom was an international basketball player,

play, you know, for the national team and Olympics, World Cup and European Championship for years. So she was like, you know, definitely that's the reason why I got really into basketball. And they met at this sports institute in Paris where my dad was doing track and field and was doing high jump. So they both were like, um, uh, eye caliber athletes, uh, that met. So definitely, you know, got good genes on that part. Um, but at the same time, you know, my mom, the way she raised me, she didn't, you know, raised me to become a professional athlete or anything like that. She was like, hey, I just want you to have fun, uh, do whatever sports you want. She didn't even push me, you know, towards basketball or anything like that. That's why when I was a

kid, I tried a lot of different sports. Everybody plays soccer in France, obviously. Uh, but I did some judo. I did some fencing. I did some rugby. So handball, volleyball. I did all kind of sport. And my mom just wanted me to have fun. But, you know, I turned to basketball because I was, you know, really my passion and what I loved the most. Bag time. Time to pay the bills. We'll be back. There was always the thing on you where it was just like, man, he just had so many interests. And we're seeing this right now. Where did all these interests come from? You seem like a well-rounded person who loves to try. who loves to do all these things. Where did that innate curiosity come from?

I don't know, probably, you know, from the way I was, you know, brought up in Europe and seeing different things, different people, a melting pot of cultures. But yeah, it's always been there, you know, since I was a, since I was a kid, always just been being curious and, you know, on the court, off the court. And that's why I was able to play inside because at first, I mean, I was, I was more of a point guard, two guard growing up. But at the same time already, you know, when I was like 12, 13, 14 years old, I would listen and try to do whatever the big men were doing just because I was curious, you know, to what do you do on the post, how to play what the big men do, what the guards do,

what the point guards do, and always try to get everything. And so that's why when I grew up, I was able to play different positions as well. Who's your favorite player? Magic Johnson is the one that makes sense. Yeah, when I was growing up. So I, after my first two years cracking the NBA, I went to Spain to play for Talceramico, which was a club in Spain.

So we go to a tournament. I don't even remember where the tournament was, but we're playing a team called Pol. That was in Victoria. Was it? Okay. So we're playing this tournament. And there's this long, skinny, like, kid,

like handling the ball, like six, eight. and then there are these two wings, the Pietrus brothers. Mikhail played for a long time in the league. What's the older brother's name again? Florent. Floreen. Right.

They were cold. But Boris was like when he tells you he was on the ball, they were like this, this Scotty Pippen. And that's the way he was built in Europe, because that's what he did. He was on the ball. He was the facilitator. He made things happen.

You know, it just kind of, Hey, Boris, talk to me about, like, I know we got more interest in shit to talk about, but coming from Europe, having the ball in your hands like that, and then having to make a huge adjustment, like when you got to the league, like, with a style of play. And when did you realize, like, oh, they're not going to want me to do that here? I mean, it was kind of a process because when I got drafted, I got drafted as a swingman.

I was drafted as a two, two, three. And so when I got to Atlanta, that kind of, you know, they were asking me to do. So I was, I played a point when I was in Atlanta. I mean, I remember the same game. They made me play inside because, you know, we had injuries. and stuff. So I started as a five, do the jump ball, and then play the one in the same game. So I still had to do a different thing, but they were trying to figure things out. It's really when I got to Phoenix, you know, when they asked me to play inside. And so that's when,

and the same, you know, when I got traded, you know, there was not many minutes that was planned for me in that team in Phoenix. You know, the team was the best record. I was just going there as a three. But Amari got hurt. in preseason and did a surgery, micro fracture surgery on his knee and was out for the season. So all of a sudden, that's, you know, Mike D'Antonia was like, okay, so do you think you can play the four a little bit, you know, it was like, anyway, it was not going to play the two or three. Rajabelle was already taking all the minutes. Stop it.

Stop it. So, I'll play the four. To say, I probably could have taken his spot, but I just decided to do the four. Oh, like, but like, it's what I always do, you know, it was like, hey, I, I, I play whatever, tell me what you need, and I'll try, you know, to fill in the blanks. And so that's when I really start, you know, to play inside. And that's where we started that small ball, time of play. And it was a lot of fun.

That was a hell of fun. That was a hell of fun. And I would make the argument, and I've made it before. Like, Amari is a phenomenal player and could, and he was a bucket. Like, you just, it was such a mismatch. But it gave Steve a little bit of reprieve when you were playing those major minutes that year because you were someone else that could create plays for other people. Like, do you know what I mean? Like Steve, Steve created a lot of plays and Amari could score like

shit, but he didn't really create. But having you on the floor with Steve gave you two creators, two people that could initiate offense. Plus, I think what was the good thing is I could create for Steve, which was, you know, probably the best shooter of the old times, but, you know, harder for him to create his own shot. It was creating so much for everybody, but everybody was so focused on him that the help was coming and he was harder and he would take so much more energy for him to create for himself. Now I could create and, you know, Steve would be at the end of the chain and now, you know, making buckets like you used to, you know? Right. Rara. When did you know that Boris, the locker room story real quick, that you knew that Boris was just a different cat, man.

Like he was just, he was an eclectic dude. He wasn't, you know, let me get us, get the story time of Raj. I don't remember. I mean, I don't, I don't remember. I don't remember. man. I'm trying to think, man. I got so many Boris stories. They all can't come out, though. There's a vault. Let me say, all right, all right. You remember Lafer de Sack, Boris? The what? Was it Lafer de Sack was your clothing company that had-Fer Sack? The Fersack. The first sack. That's it. The first sack. Yeah. The first sack. How was in advance back then, man? He was. So, look, we're in the locker room. Like, and Boris comes in with, like, his suit bag, right? There's, like, the suit bag. And, you know,

He had, it's a French company. Yeah, right? Who was lace Boris, like with suits. These suits were so fucking small. They were tight. I was like, Boris, you can't wear that. Like, you can't wear that. Skinny suits.

They were skinny suits. But he was ahead of his time. But so Boris was never really afraid. You were never afraid. 10 years later, everybody's fucking wearing the skinny stuff. Back in a day, it was like the Michael Jordan suits, which is fucking wide as shit. And so when I arrived in the NBA, everybody, everybody was wearing that. And then I start wearing it.

You know, it's like fashion. You know, France is always in advance anyway. I had to, I have multiple tight suits and outboards, just FYI. But I did. Do you remember the time I had to throw away your shoes? You had a favorite pair of shoes. You remember? Remember I told you.

Was it in Presto? I said, if you wear them again, bro, I'm throwing them out. You don't remember that? I had to throw away a pair of boys to shoes. I remember you said it, but I remember you did it. It's possible. If you had to say, like, all right, we're going to have this reunion. Union, who would you be most excited to see because of their personality and shit like that?

The funniest guy? Yeah. That was Pat Burke. Pat Burke. You didn't sign a shit, Pat Burke. Sign Booboo's roster picture, please. It's behind in his office. So I say this.

I always talk about this with Roger. I grew up a Laker fan and there's teams now that I'm covering the league retroactively that I just am in love with and that I'm. I love. The Phoenix Suns as one of those teams. The specific era with you guys on the team, when did you guys knew you had something special, right? Because I remember watching you guys from the

opposite, like, damn, they're kicking the Lakers' ass right now. I just, I don't like this. What was, when did you guys feel like you guys had something special? So, when we started the season, I mean, obviously coming from a great record already, but when we won so

many games in a row, and, and the atmosphere was, you know, so cool and so fun. And we were not like, you know, so serious about it. And all the guys and just the camaraderie that was, you know, in that team, like we would go out, you know, for dinner before a game and the whole team would come. You know, out of 14 players, it would be like 11 or 12 players coming together. I don't know, you know, if any other team, you know, do that now anymore. You always have, you know, a group of teams, two, three, four, five.

But we had like, yeah, such a great camaraderie. And we were, you know, just winning games after games after games. I think we were setting out the record of like winning 30 games in a row. And then we lost two and then we won another 30. So it was it was pretty amazing, pretty special. But we just felt that, you know, as the season was was going. Logan, I can say this. It was the most fun time I've ever had around basketball, bro.

I can tell. I can tell. No, the Phoenix, because just Phoenix is a. town was kind of on fire, right? Like, because the suns were good and that's a different vibe. The Lakers were strong. And we were just, you know, to Boris's point, we weren't, it wasn't a grind for us. Like, it just felt like we were, you were excited to go to work.

Like, I was excited to see Boris, like, walk in two minutes before practice started with a fucking cappuccino. Like, I was excited to, you know, you were just excited to be there, dog. Yo, I'm reading up on you, dude. What did you think about shootarounds, man? because your shoot-around story seemed legendary. What was your process going into shoot-ar-rounds, bro? Shoot-ar-rounds, I mean, my thing is that you're not going to be a better shooter

because you're doing, you know, 10-minute shoot-around before a game. So if you go and practice on it and you get better, yes. But, yeah, shoot-around was not that, you know, useful I was feeling like at the time. No, what was good is when you go do the walk-through. You talk about the other team and everything like that. But what was your process? You got your cappuccino. Are you going to Starbucks anymore?

What are you doing before a shoot-around? What's the different vibe? No, we had the coffee in the locker room, so it was easy to get the locker room and get ready. But, yeah, I wouldn't spend, you know, too much extra time. I think that the coffee time was actually something that was a very important into the routine to go to the game. It was great, right? Like Raja, getting his snow cone in a lot in the locker room before the game. Oh, we got Raja stories.

Yeah, tell him what his Raja do. I don't know what to start. He always talks shit about shooting a capitino. They don't know about the snow cone. Yeah, because he's talking shit about me. I mean, last minute was a cappuccino. So before every game, before, you know, we get on the court, we usually do you same.

You know, you warm up, get ready, people doing their routine. And then I start going back in the locker room because the same. I thought, you know, I didn't need that much time anyway to get ready. But then as soon as I got to the locker room, I saw that Rajah was there every game as well. And so it was in the back of the locker room. Sometimes I don't know, reading a magazine or something like that. And then he put a snow cone.

So, you know, he used those, you know, those little paper cone and put the shaved ice. But then instead of putting the syrup, like the kids do, just put a little bit of red bull on it. And so he was drinking his red bull snow cone before the game. And then people are asking, you know, like, oh, why is Ryan? just so tense and fucking crazy in the court. I was like, yeah, drinking Red Bull at a snow cone. Oh.

Oh, so that's what happened with Kobe. You had the fucking Red Bull before the game. Yeah. Listen. Maybe it took two snow cone that day. What Boris missed and real talk, like I would get the, my coffee would be the first thing I did

when I got to the arena, right? Like, because I usually took a nap. So like when I got to the arena, like three hours or whatever it was prior, I get a coffee. That would just get me going to get like that warm up and get my sweat on and shit like that.

And then I got the snow cone Boris. So like I was, you were out. You were teed up. Double caffeine. I was off the charts. Yes, I was on top, man. All right. So what the fuck, Roger?

Are you still do that, dude? All of us wasn't talented like Boris, man. We had to, we had to manufacture some, you know, we had to get it right. Why are you so mad, Roger? Because I had fucking, I had red blow up. Exactly. So, okay, so you guys have the season. You guys played a Lakers.

first round, right? And Raja always talks about how you guys were probably two lax for the Lakers. I think you guys were a better team. I was surprised as a fan that you guys went down 3-1. I know Raza's point of view, which is you guys were two lax, you guys were chilling. Why did y'all go down 3-1 against the Lakers, Boris? I mean, yeah, probably for that reason. And like I say, you know, that was just a continuation of the whole season, you know, where we didn't think, you know, stuff too seriously. It was just like, you know, fun. We were just having fun, playing, having fun, and stuff like that. So we were not as, you know, focused and teed up on the stage, you know, didn't, didn't prepare, I think, you know, ourselves mentally for this kind of a battle.

And so, yeah, we got, you know, surprised and kicked in a buck. How was L.A. during that time, though, because you guys said you got, or did you guys in, like, Santa Monica or something or Marina Del right? Where were you? How was the, how was the, how was the, how was it for you, Boris? Boris, how is it for you? No, L.A. was nice. And we would have fun in L.A. for sure. It was nice and wholesome, huh? During the regular season, but during the playoff, we're a little more quiet, for sure.

You know, once you get into playoff, it's different. Like, I told this story, we had tricks on. And so I asked him if he remembered, like, our mindset. Do you remember where we normally stayed when we went to play the Lakers or the Clippers? Most nine out of ten times? So, I don't know, because it depends on the teams. We stay Marina Del Rey. We stayed in Marina Del Rey.

That's where the Suns mostly stayed. Other teams stay at the Wilshire or whatever. We were in Marina Del Rey. Do you remember where we stayed to play the Lakers in round one? In Santa Monica? We stayed at the lows in Santa Monica, right? So I always make the, like I always say, like, we were treating that. Like, it was different than, you know what I mean?

We were just hanging out, bro. Y'all had no respect for the Lakers, man. You had no respect for him. Dog, you remember, like, Andrei Kirolenko. You remember I was down in the lobby, me, Cindy, you, Andre Keralenko, Victor Kriapa came through. Like, we were just chilling, like, you know, it was. Our heads weren't in it.

It didn't come easy to us. We were kind of like, we lunched on those first couple games. That's why hard, too, you know, playing those playoffs at that time in those kind of team. When you're in Phoenix, when you're in L.A. And when the sun is out and it feels like it's summertime, it's hard to focus in for sure. It's true. Yeah. I mean, I would say this.

I covered the Warriors for the last few years of their dynasty. And they had a first round matchup against the Clippers. And that was very fun. It was very fun to be in L.A. in the springtime. It's beautiful. It's not quite summer yet, but it's there. So I can imagine that it was lit. It was lit.

What's your favorite? What's the favorite NBA city, Boris? Like, road trip. Road trip. We're looking at the schedule. We're sitting down. It's September. And we're like, yep, this is, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's going to be a good one. Where are we going? Yeah. Oklahoma City. No. Although, I got a great restaurant there.

Red, red restaurant, great steakhouse. Oh, that's right up the street from the media. Yes. Yes, it is a great steakhouse. The haunted hotel. The hotel is haunted over there. You never want to go to O'KC because of that. Yeah.

The scarven. So, yeah, scurvin is haunted for sure. We heard some weird stuff. Did you hear the scarven real quick before we get to the, let's, we're fucking going to it. Oh, no. Somebody going through the, the hallway. and we're supposed to get the whole floor or something. I think it was Didi.

I think it was team that heard it. It was like a baby crying in the room. But we're supposed to get the whole floor because it was like the playoffs. And we were like, we have it in the whole floor. So it was nobody. And I think they asked at the front desk. He's like, is there somebody in our room? It's like, no, there's nobody.

And they heard of baby crying. Yeah. Okay. So what's your favorite city? I don't know. I think usually we have a good time when we go to Miami. I remember having a great time going to Miami. It was like a French restaurant and a coconut grove that we used to go all the time.

So going to Miami was a fun stop. Miami, most of the time when you get in places, Logan, like it's, we've traveled. So let's say we played in Charlotte. You're going to get to Miami after everybody gets dressed and gets treatment. And you go to, you get to Miami at what, I don't know, 1.130. That's prime. Yeah, but most places, but you're shut down in most places. Miami was the place where like, all right, guys.

We'll see you tomorrow. We'll see everybody tomorrow. Hopefully you make sure to run. What's the most underrated city, though? Like the most of the people are like, we wouldn't expect it. Where did I have a good time? Salt Lake City.

Yeah, but even to go play, it's not like, you know, a fun place. They have good restaurants and like Valtors. Everybody, you know, every NBA team's going to Voughter. You have to. You know, best great Italian. But it's not like a city. Like, okay, we're going to have fun in that city, you know.

We had some fun times in the bay, Boris. Yeah, yeah, San Francisco. Yeah, I like San Francisco. It was nice. Yeah, you could go to, like, Socelito and. Would you know about Sausalito, Boris? Yeah, you go and take the car and you got to explore a little bit. Get out of the city and then go to Socelito.

It was a great sushi place, sushi place there in Soceloilito. I'm in the bay right now. I'm going to lock in with you on the sushi spot. It was Vladimir Radmanovich. I think that took me there. Oh, Vladie? And so, all right. I'm going to lock in with that one.

Okay, so we talk about this. We're still in Phoenix right now. So we talk about this, me and Rara, about, we know how good it was when it was good. What the fuck happened when it was bad, bro? Because this motherfucker is talking about how he took hook shots at practice, how he was just like, how he was whaling out. What's going on?

Well, the real story is I got traded because of Raja. That was a real story. So sorry. Okay. I guess there's prescription. We can talk about that. So, yeah, I mean, it was good. And then so Mike D'Antony left, you know, from one season to the next.

I went to New York. And so, you know, we're hearing, okay, now things are going to change. getting a new coach and we want to put some emphasis on the defensive and stuff like that we're like, okay, that's cool, you know. So pretty much you start camp

and we're like, okay, so it's cool, you know. I mean, everybody wants to win, you know, so we're all buying into the program. We want to do that. And so, you know, we put some defensive ideas. And then offensively, we thought, you know, maybe we can carry over them because, you know, you still have the assistant coach.

from the years previous and stuff like that. So in your mind, it's like, you've been the best offensive team for the past three years. You know, you don't want to start from Grand Zero. So you're just going to carry over. But that's not what happened. Pretty much we changed every single play from what we were doing before.

We're using Steve in a whole different way that he used, you know, to be used. You know, we are playing with Shaq, which is like, you know, also different. We got to play, you know, around him, play with him. but pretty much, you know, a whole philosophy and, you know, what people love the suns for back in the days, you know, the offensive-minded and the moving of the ball and everything. All of that pretty much stopped, you know, from like one day to the next, pretty much, you know, from the one end of the season to the next season. Everybody is like, okay, so now we got to go. I mean, we still, you know, try to go and buy into it and do all this stuff.

But offensively, you know, there's no movement. it's hard for everybody. Steve goes from MVP to not making All-Star. That's when you know that something is wrong. You know, like it's like I, that means we're not playing the right way, you know, that we're not doing. I, you can make a player not being as good as why he is, you know, by changing all the stuff. So, you know, I hear. And then obviously, you know, Raja was always, you know, is not, is not keeping quiet by this kind of stuff.

Roger's not keeping quiet. Roger wasn't just going along with the plan. Oh, man. So he's voicing his concerns and stuff like that, you know. Boris, Boris, real quick. Feel free to, like, tell any disparaging stories about Roger because he loves to do that shit to you. So go ahead.

Just do that. If you want to throw that on these stories, go ahead as he's. No, but it's, you know, it's going. So, Rajah, you know, getting into it a little bit with the coach. He's just out of it. He's not even locked in. Oh, yeah. He's trying some stuff that he never tried before.

But anyway, long story short, he's telling me, it's like, yeah. So, you know, a month before, maybe the trade and stuff like that, it's like, yeah. So I don't know. I think they're looking to trade me and stuff like that. I was like, oh, no, come on, man. That says bullshit. You know, we're going to get through this and stuff like that. And we keep going.

And me, I got also, you know, a little bit of fallout with the coach, you know, as far as like what is asking. You got so fucking energy in you too? You got so fucking energy in you too, worse? No, it's something happening. You know, I'm sometimes I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm an art head. And so I remember. Tell the story.

Tell the story. Of which one? The story of the three? Of shooting threes. There was a story in Minnesota. Do you remember that story? Is that the one I didn't want to shoot threes or what? It could be the same story.

It was the one where you would get all the way to the basket and then like you go ahead. You tell it. Tell it. Tell a story. Tell a story. So I don't know. It was like the game before, whatever. And so I don't know.

We're in the fourth quarter, maybe six minutes. needs to go, whatever. And so I get the ball wide open. I take a three and I miss. And then, I don't know. The coach goes off on me. It's like, yeah, don't shoot that kind of shot and stuff like. And then so we go and we talk about it after the game and stuff like that and practice.

And it was like, what do you mean? Like, I'm wide open. Like, how do you want me? It's not a bad shot. Like, I'm wide open. If they say, yeah, that's a bad shot. You know, there is like a time and place and stuff like that. And so for me, in my mind, it's like, okay, if you're going to telling me,

that's a bad shot, then I don't know what's a good chat and what's a bad shot. And so I cannot make the decision anymore because you're taking that away from me. Because for me, if I'm supposed, I'm a ground man supposed to be able to know what or make actually the decision, what's a good shot, what's a bad shot. So if you're going to telling me that, now I don't know what's a good chat, I don't know what's a bad chat anymore. So I'm not going to take a shot. Did you feel like your intelligence was insulted, Boris?

Exactly. Okay. So the next game, I didn't take one shot. And I was like wide open for layups and stuff like that. And so, yeah, I was a little bit of an asshole. It was the most passive, aggressive attempt. It was phenomenal. Someone who's wired like that himself.

It was a phenomenal thing to witness, like way more balls than I did. I'd argue with you. But like, Boris would literally during that game make every attempt. He was in his bag, dog, to get a quality look. he'd get into like his you know he had a great way of angling you to the basket like some of the best footwork on the post just angling you until he got his ass like under the rim and so he would do that and get right to the rim and almost shoot the shit and it was almost like he would look at at terry porter like yeah bitch and then kick it out like i know he didn't it just look like that right so like it was a phenomenal display like because you have like 10 assists that night or like something something stupid where you're just like something out of like 16 assist so i did not once you know just you know just just to make a point. And then after that, it was like, okay, never mind, you can shoot. So, yeah, it kind of worked a little bit.

But so, yeah, so then after that, we're going to L.A., which is, yeah, fun CD and stuff like that. I go see my friend Fabrice. We go for lunch. I don't take my phone. I leave my phone in my room. And I'm just going to lunch with my friend. And then I come back from lunch. And usually, Rajah is a slipper.

He's taking naps and stuff like that. And so I walked through the hallway. He's not giving a shit. I walked through the hallway and I see Rajah walking around. And I was like, hey, what's up? I was like, oh, Boris, you haven't heard? And I was like, no. What?

I don't have my phone. It was like, yeah. So I got traded. I was like, oh, no, man, fuck, that sucks, you know. Losing my friend and stuff. I was like, oh, shit, where are you going? He's like, yeah, I'm going to Charlotte. I was like, oh, sorry, man.

It was like, yeah, but I think you're part of the trade, too. You're coming with me. You're fucking coming with me. That's why I learned I was traded. I was like, what? It was like, yeah, maybe go check your phone. Sorrentia was really nice about it. It was like, hey, you got traded asshole.

It was like, I think you part of it. Maybe you go check it. And so, yeah. Misery loves company, bro. I'm like, boys, I got to go to Charlotte. But you're coming with me, dog. How did you feel when you got traded? Were you like?

Well, I mean, you know, it's never fun to be trading and stuff like that. But, you know, we're saying. It was like, yeah, shit, at least, you know, at least we're going together. You know, it's not as, you know, bad at being traded by yourself and you go to a new place by yourself. So we're like, okay, let's go. Try to find a flight. Go back to Phoenix. And then the next morning back to Charlotte.

And then it was like, okay, we try to make the best out of it. Did it make you feel a little bit better, Ra, Ron, that that Booboo was there with you? That he was just there to fucking, like, that of all the teammates to get trained. with, he was the one that you got traded with? Oh, yeah. Like, I don't, I didn't wish anyone, like, we had a great vibe. And I was getting a little sour, but I thought, you know, we should have been able to recapture that.

And, you know, they kind of wound up recapturing it after they went back to Alvin Gentry, right? So, yeah. I tend to think that if we would have stayed, it would have all been good. But so I didn't want Boris or anyone else to lose out on that opportunity because it was so fun there. But I'm going to keep it a buck. Like, when you get traded to the point Boris just said, you don't know anything where you're going, right?

And to be able to sit on the plane and see Boris sitting there, like when we're on Charlotte planes, like we sat together. Like it was comforting, bro, because, you know, not only was it a new situation, but we had some great teammates in Charlotte, but they weren't a great team yet. They were still trying to figure out where they were going, how they were going to, you know, ascend the ladder of the Eastern Conference. And so, you know, we were leaving a really good situation to come to something that wasn't established. So it was very cool to have somebody with you. Yeah, it was good. It was good to be, you know, two guys. And we were trying also to bring that to the team.

And I think that's why also they traded for us is bringing, you know, the winning culture that we had, you know, the past few years that we were in Phoenix and bringing that into Charlotte. So it was good. It's harder to do it by yourself. It's easier to get, you know, messages across when you, when you two guys, for sure. When I read up on your time in Charlotte, it feels like the, it feels like the referendum on your career where it seems like coach. coaches are just trying to get you to be a certain way. And you're like, bro, like, just let me be meat. Was that, was that, was that, how it was in Charlotte for you?

No, I depend on the coaches. So what always happened, my all career is like, wherever coach wanted me and drafted me or traded for me, I always was fine with it. Then that coach leaves, get fired, or whatever. And then a new coach comes in that didn't ask for me, pretty much, or didn't know how to use him or what to do with me. So that was the case when I was in Atlanta. First year I was with Terry Stutz. It was like European mentality and everything. Everything was fine.

My first year. And then Mike Woodson came in and I had no idea. And he told me, it was like, I don't know how to play you. Like he didn't know, what to do with me, my skills or the way I was playing. And so then it was the same in Phoenix with Terry Porter coming after Mike Danton. And then the same thing. When I got in Charlotte and it was Larry Brown, I had a great relationship with Larry Brown. You know, is the guy that wants.

wanted us, knew her to make us play. And it was great. You know, tried to change me. It was, you know, making me play as a point forward as well. And it was great. And then he left. And then Paul Silas came in. And then it was, you know, same thing again.

This guy was like, oh, yeah, I don't know what to do is this guy. You had to play him. And then just tried, yeah, make me into a different person. How frustrating is that for you, though? How frustrating is that for you to be on that end where it's like, bro, just understand me or at least try. Do you feel like they ever tried to get to know you or they would just be, oh, we don't know what to do with this. person. Yeah, I think it's more, you know, cultural and the way they, you know, approach basketball, different philosophies. You know, you got different coaches with different philosophies. Some players

match with certain coaches and not others. And for some of the players, it's all the way around. You know, they're going to match with this type of coach and not these ones. So, I mean, it's just like, it's not like bad luck or luck or whatever. It's, you never know, you're in a position at some point. And when the coach changed, it's like, you know, playing roulette. Like, you don't know what you're going to get. If you're going to get somebody that's going to match with you or not. Boris was in Charlotte. So I got traded.

I got traded to Golden State. I hurt my wrist. I couldn't play that year. So they flipped me for like Stephen Jackson. I think Vlad did Vlad come with me in that deal? Vladi left to go to Golden State with me, right? That makes sense. That makes sense.

It does. I think Vladi came with me in the deal. But it doesn't matter. Boris, we'd go back to Charlotte. right? And Boris was set up. Vladimir, by the way. Vladimani Ramanovich, yeah. Boris had a fly-ass crib, like that apartment.

You remember that apartment you had? It was kind of like, that was super dope. He was like co-owner and a little bar down in the, in the episode. What do they call it? The mecca's the epicenter. Yeah. And this mofo was going to and from practice on a segue. Are you serious?

How far does you live from the spot? Oh, like three blocks. Oh, okay. His big ass was segueing around town. I could go from my bedroom, get up off my bed, go on a Segway, and not touch the floor until I'm in my locker. So I could go through the city, through the elevator in my apartment. I would go down the streets. Everybody like, know me downtown because they see this huge guy.

I'm already 6'8. But on a Segway, I'm 8, 8.2. And then I would get to the arena, get into the elevator, and then go into the locker room. And inside the locker room, I could, you know, get down right next to the cooking. Do that every day you would just get the fuck up and get on the segue. Yeah. It's so close. Yeah.

I would never take the car. I just sounds like jealousy from you, Ra, right now. It just sounds like real jealousy right now. It worked out because like I was I was like Boris. Hey man, I want to go play. You know, I'm coming to town. I want to go play this golf course, man. Like I need a whip.

Boris was like, take mine. I don't use it. I'm like, okay. All right. All right. All right. Time to get to the baggage claim. We'll be right back.

Bro, can you tell me about the time you went on, for all. Star Weekend and you went to go do a short film with Sedric the Entertainer. Oh, nice. That's called real research, right? It's real research because I didn't know that. Yeah, so I wanted to, I wanted to, I was like starting producing. It's just like producer, like, you know, just putting money in like some small films and short films.

And then all of a sudden I was like, okay, man, I want to do my own short film, you know, try to see my creative side and try to do something, you know, know, fun. And so I was looking for different short film script. I couldn't find one that I liked. And so all of a sudden, I started to just write one. So I was like, I'm just going to write a short film. I mean, I don't know if he's that hard or whatnot. Like Boris, boy, time out, time out, time out, time out. When did you find the time to write? Like, explain it to me, right? Like, your normal day, like between shoot around and game time, you just put pen to paper in the plane. I didn't play. Got it. Because in the plane, we have so many

time on the plane. And so either you watch TV show or people play video games. We played poker in Phoenix. Yes. I always watched your ass. I went after that. We didn't play poker. No, you didn't. I think it was Tim. Tim was the one that lost the most, I think. Oh, it kept it.

Oh. Rager. Anyway, there's a different story, different story. Yeah. And so I had time. And so in the plane, I start writing script and stuff like that. And that's one I was playing in San Antonio. And so, yeah, All-Star Break.

I was like, that's the only time I got time actually to shoot it, unless I wait all the way until summertime. But I didn't want to wait until summertime. And so, yeah, got everything, got some friends helping me a lot, you know, getting everything ready and doing like casting and just a bunch of kids playing in it. But it was fun and it was hard at the same time because it was like first time directing.

I didn't really know what I was doing. He just said I'm going to direct or write a script. phenomenal. But it was a lot of fun. How Cedric on set? Yeah. And then I was able to talk to Cedric and it was great. You know, I just did like one day in L.A.

and, you know, obviously it was the best actor that we had in the whole thing. So it was, you know, so easy. Easy to direct. It was pretty much directing me, telling me what to do. But it was great. It was a lot of fun. And the short term is not. It's not funny.

It's called Easy Life. And it's not comic. It's not a comedy at all. It's just very serious and very serious subject. And so that's why I was thinking, like, you know, having Syric the entertainer doing something different than comedy, that's what I thought was interesting. And he did it really good, you know. What's it about?

That shows how good an actor is. Pretty much is a kid talking to his dad. So Cedric, the entertainer is the dad. And just acting up. And he's just like spoiled kid, you know. And then you see that around, you know, kids that are spoiled and stuff like that. But I feel like, you know, you've got to find the balance of having a kids. Obviously, you want to spoil them because they're your kids and you want them to have a good time and be good.

But at the same time, make them understand how lucky they are to having what they have. And so this kid is just acting up. And so his dad is telling him a story. It's like a storytelling of other kid, you know, in Africa. You know, like like beast of no nation. telling him a story of, but I haven't seen Bisota Nation at the time. And I was like, yeah, that's actually pretty close from what I'm doing. But I didn't see it until I was done doing mine.

And so telling him about kids, you know, over there are forced to go to war and stuff like that. And so showing him how lucky is where he is now. Can we see this on streaming services? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's called Easy Life? Yeah, you Google Boris Diaz, Easy Life. which actually might be a video of my life as well. I'm going to lock in.

But yeah, you can go check it out. I was thinking, my favorite Boris in reading so far has been, it wasn't even Phoenix Suns Boris. It's San Antonio Spurs Boris. It's probably my favorite version of what I've read on Boris Dio. And I remember when you had gotten traded to, or I don't know what the, you wound up in San Antonio. I don't know if he got traded or you got signed there.

No, I, I, when I was in. Did you get bought out? Charlotte? Yeah, yeah. Okay, so you got bought out, and I remember one of your first trips, the San Antonio's first trips, was in Sacramento where I was interning,

and they were just making fun. They were like, we're going to give, Boris is nowhere near ready to play right now. We're going to get him right to play. Just give us a couple months. We're going to give him right. Can you tell us the process of from the end of Charlotte getting bought out to your time,

your first couple of months in San Antonio? What was going on? And what was it like spiritually, from the end of Charlotte to go into San Antonio. I think, had you shut it down in Charlie, had you shut it down, Boris? Were you trying to get out of Charlotte? No.

Tell the truth. I had to shut it down, but for sure, like I was saying, you know, we had to fall out and stuff like that because you don't know how to use me and then decided not to play me at all. And so they haven't played me at all. What was the fallout?

What did I not want to play you? What did they do? What did they do? What did it happen? Well, yeah, probably voiced my concern, you know, on the way we're playing and what we're doing. You were influenced by Raja again. You just did the same. Yeah. Okay. Same. Every place I got traded was because of Raja. Because of me again. I'm not even there at the time. But I'll tell you. Look, can I, I want you tell the story, Boris. But, you know, Logan, they, you know, when you teach people to be, if you're, if you're voicing a genuine concern as a professional, like a coach, a coach may not necessarily agree with you. But you have to be able to have those conversations, at least. Like, you're not dealing with 17-year-olds in high school.

Boris, how old are you at that point? Probably, like, 30. It's a grown-ass man. Like, these are grown professional men that have made a lot of money that are all invested in the same thing. I always found that fascinating. And it's kind of what I told I mean. Like, people will tell you they want to hear what you got to say. Hey, voice your opinion.

Like, let everybody know. We want to know. They don't want to fucking know. That's what I learned. They don't want to know. Just shut the fuck up and keep it moving. All right. So you did not take Roder's advice.

you did not keep it moving. What happened in Charlotte? So, yeah, so all of a sudden, pretty much, I was just put on the bench and then they didn't play me at all. So actually it was like Paul Silas was coaching at the time. And so, yeah, we had fallout because, you know, I felt like we were not being, you know, coached enough. We had like a young team that needed to be coached and needed some pointers

during the games, stuff like that. And I felt like we didn't get that. And so. But at the same time, it's hard because you're like, you never know if the team really wants to win at that point because you got the lottery pick, you know, the draft and stuff like that. But as a player, you do what are winning, you do? What is this?

It's like, what years is this? Oh, no, we were losing a lot. We were like, we had nine wins for the whole season. Nine, nine wins, bro. Nine wins. That was after the lockout. So it was a shorter season. Okay.

That's why he didn't count as the worst record. ever because of the lockout. But it might have been the worst record ever. And so, yeah, we had nine wins, and it was, you know, all bad. And we're just like losing games. But, you know, losing games is one thing. But I just wanted us to, you know, at least try and stuff like that. So, yeah, I was just trying to be a good teammate.

So I would sit down behind the bench and just end up water to all the players and stuff like that. I was doing the job of the trainers and stuff. Do what? Are you a petty person? What do you mean? Like, Go ahead, Ross. Was that your past,

was that your past, aggressive way of saying, you're not going to let me play? I'll just be the water fucking boy. Is that what you did? Because I don't know this story. I feel like you're, I love the water boy.

Okay. And you wanted them to know that. You wanted them to know that. You were like, here, I'm going to hand this water out. Did you feel like your intelligence was insulted again? Did you feel like you guys are insulting my intelligence again?

I'm just going to pass out water because I don't know what else to do. No. I didn't know what else to do. And I was, you know, still being paid. So I wanted to help. You know, so I was just the highest paid water boy. Highest paid while the boy in the league, pretty much.

That's phenomenal. You know, still want to help and help the team help my teammates. So that's so great. So Boris and TP are like really, really, really good friends. Like they're, I mean, you guys came up in the club together, right? Like in. Yeah, in high school, yeah, when we were 16. Right.

Okay. So now let me tell a little quick story again. Let me go into my story time. I'm in, I'm in L. B. Beverly Wilshire, chilling. We're with Charlotte. Boris is like, hey man, come meet me up here in, I don't know, man. Like it's sunset area or something like that. I'm like, Boris, man, I'm chilling, I want to come out. He's like, nah, man, you need to come have dinner with me.

I'm like, okay. So I show up. It's Boris Diao, Eva Longoria, and like two of her girlfriends. You remember that? I had Singletary with me. I had a, what was the young man's name that got traded with us, man? He was from Virginia. Yeah. Yeah. And so, like, we had dinner. Like, and, you know, that was Tony's wife at the time. Boris was really cool with them. And I was like, holy shit, Boris, like, you really got me sitting at dinner here with, like, Eva Lingoria. And, and this is pretty cool.

That was Boris, just call me whenever you got something going on. Just hit me up, dog. That convinced you, hey, that convinced you maybe I should just go every time Boris says to dinner. Every time Boris calls, I'm showing up. I'm showing up. So that's their backstory. They're really, like, they're tight. That's family for Boris.

Tony Parker. Yeah, so that did help also, you know, when I got to San Antonio because... So you knew that you were going to get bought out? You were like, expensive water boy, I need to buy out. You knew you were going to San Antonio? Okay. Well, yeah, I had the choice at the time between San Antonio and Boston Celtics. At the time, Doc Rivers was the coach.

And so I had a call with both because pretty much I was going for minimum just for the playoffs because I went there, I signed in March. So just to last month of the season. And then the player. You were just trying to get another bag out of this, right? I was just trying to play. I mean, I didn't play for the past couple months. And, you know, I just wanted to, you know, find a team, be able to play, being able to help.

And so I wanted a team that makes a playoff because, you know, makes sense to go to a team for just three weeks left in a season. And so I had to make a choice between the Celtics and between the Spurs. And so, yeah, I talked to both. And then obviously, I talked to Tony. And then I knew the Spurs through Tony all these years, you know, whatever. doing the where they were playing and stuff like that. And so I end up, you know, going to San Antonio, which was better in the long run, obviously, because then Duck Rivers left Boston and it was all different.

But, yeah, going to San Antonio. So, yeah, no, it was an easy transition because of the way the style of basketball they were playing, the philosophy of Popovich. And it was just, you know, easy to play around all these great players. It's also usually, I mean, it's way easier to play in a good team, you know. You don't have as much pressure and what to do on the court. You let pressure to score that many points or to create that many plays. Everybody's around and you just play together and they make you look better as well.

Yeah. I remember hearing this story that you said at Tony Parker's Jersey retirement about how one of the three seminal moments for you with Tony was when a Christmas party in San Antonio. Pop's house where everyone's all together, they're drinking and stuff, and Pop goes, Tony, I need you to come in to watch film with us. I need you to go watch film and he's yelling at Tony during the fucking party, during all the wine is blowing. You're like, what the fuck? But I think the overall point that you saw was that this was a family in a way that you didn't really see in Charlotte and other these places. Why was that so important in San Antonio, that family atmosphere? Yeah, for sure.

I think that's why they created over the years, you know, with R.C. Buford, with, with pop. They really created that, that family atmosphere and that culture, you know, of winning, but of caring for each other. And so, yeah, when I saw that, actually, I was still playing in France. It was before I got to the NBA. I was just visiting Tony. And so that's why, you know, to me, it was, like, super impressive. Hey, did, like, so I don't really remember Boris. when you got to San Antonio. Was Kauai already kind of the focal point of their offense?

No, he was. It was a rookie. I think it was his rookie year. Perfect. So did you, could you tell right away? Like, was it, was there, were there things that he was doing in practice? There you said, hey, man, one day if he keeps working, or was that something like his evolution as a player just kind of took you by surprise or, you know what I mean?

I don't know what I'm trying to? I mean, both. It was already like good player. So, you know, I knew that he was going to, to. been doing some good things, but not to the level that I did, you know, after that I really took cover, you know, he was, you know, really working on his game and his craft. But at the time, it was already like solid defensively, you know, it was like, one of the guys like, okay, you know that he's going to have a long career and it's going to be tough because of that,

but didn't take that much responsibilities offensively yet. When I think about, I want to talk about Kauai at some point in this conversation. When you think, when you talk about the San Antonio Spurs, and I read on them and it's another team that I really, like I said before, really thought retroactively a fan of that era, it seems like San Antonio was just as lit as the Phoenix teams. Like you guys had so much fun together. Why did we not see that that much from the outside looking in as I feel like we could have seen from that team?

And you guys seem like a really, really, really fun bunch, whereas we got to see that from the Suns, you know, retroactively. We never really got to see that with the San Antonio Spurs. Why didn't we see that? And also why, how fun was it to be on that team? Yeah, it was a little bit different. So, you know, from what I was saying before. So we did add a great atmosphere.

And also on the court, like 100%. You know, we're all matching on the court, the way we're playing or passing the ball, the way we could anticipate which, whatever your teammates going to do. Like we knew each other basketball-wise really, really, really well. We also had a great camera degree outside the court, but not the same as we did in Phoenix. When I was saying Phoenix, we all go like 12 guys going, you know, to the same restaurants and stuff like that. Here, like there was no animosity.

Like we were a friend with everybody, but we didn't have like the same interests or exactly, you know, matching the same way. And it was a lot of guys that were like a little more introvert people, you know, that like, oh, yeah. It's not that because they didn't want to hang out with you. But a lot of guys like to be chill. What were the groups? What were the groups on that team? I mean, it was a few, but like they like some of the guys just like to do room service, you know. Okay.

Not because they don't like their teammates. It's because they just like to chill and do room service in our room. And so we're still like great friends. and it would come every night and then. So we had a group that would go all the time to like dinners and lunch with Paddymills, with Tiago Splitter, with Manuel Ginobili. We would always go dinner and lunch all the time because we didn't like to, you know, stand and stay in our rooms.

But then Tony would do mix, you know, it would come sometime, sometime we'll stay in his room. And Tim Duncan, same, you know, sometimes we would come with us and then sometimes it was like, I just want to chill, you know, his personality, you know, his kind of like that. So, yeah, it was, it was the same. Daddy Grid would come every now and then. Where would Kauai go? Sometimes we'll go with us. Well, Kauai would go sometime with Danny. Sometimes, you know, he came with us a couple of times.

And I think, you know, it was cheating a lot also during room service and staying quiet. I had a big game of, you know, I was playing this little game, trying to make him smile. What would you do to make Kauaii? What would you do? No, being silly saying something funny, but sometimes it would work and sometimes we'd be like... Was it an everyday game, Boris? Was this a-

Did you walk in every day and try to like, was that a game you play with him every day? Yeah. I mean, you know, every time you talk to him, you have tried. What would work and what would not work? What would work to make him small? Sometimes you just get a smirk, you know, and then it's already a victory.

What was the shit that you got him where you were like, I got your ass. I fucking got it. Yes. I don't. No, I don't know. I don't remember specifically what I would say. It was just like silly stuff every day. Hey, pop is, pop is well known for his Somalié talents. Like he's an officinado, right? And you two are well versed in the wine. First of all, do you have a, do you have a winery at your place in Bordeaux? Do you have a small winery? I think I, did you tell me that or no? Yeah, well, I got a brand. So I got a brand of a wine. I don't own the winery or anything like that. But I created we're the winery. I created my brand.

You got to send us some, man. We're just, yeah, we're just selling small locally. We have some here. Actually, I have Valtors. You can ask for it, a Valtors. Oh, Valtors. What's it called? What's it called?

Valtors is the first guy that bought my wine ever. It's called Bo. But, well, there you go. And Boris, I'm pretty sure he still owes me a case of Bordeaux. I'm pretty sure. but that's off of that's off air um so did you and did you and pop connect over wine like is that is he is he yeah you did yeah definitely you know from the so the first time when i went to that christmas i i saw is his wine cellar and i was like oh that's a dream wine cellar i won one like that one like that

one day uh and i just had one this year that's kind of matching what he had and i'm so happy but yeah when we were in san antonio you know they always had like a team dinner coaches dinner uh you know all kind of dinners. And then a pop will always, you know, pop up some wine. And so he always comes to me and then bring me a little glass of wine because, you know, I likes it. So he makes like a boy, just try that. That's really good.

How many bottles is the seller, Boris? Have you just had it done? How many bottles? In my cellar? Yeah, that. About $1,200, I think. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Okay. This is in Bordeaux or this is in Utah right now? That's in Bordeaux. In Utah, I got a small, like a, like more like a fridge cellar, but it's probably like I'll be in Bordeaux in a month. 11th, brother. Oh, yeah. You're welcome.

I'm coming. So what is our, a question that I've always said. The question I've always had, like, you know, you were somebody that was on the inside, and it's interesting how coaches kind of, like, shield us, and by meaning us, I mean, me being the media and the ops and all that stuff. We, they shield us. How was that from the inside, right? Like, did you guys like having that cocoon of just having, of not having us knowing

about how dope it was to be a San Antonio Spurr when it was time. Is you guys revel in that? What was that like? Yeah, I think they do a great job at that, you know, keeping us safe from, you know, this kind of atmosphere. I mean, you can see what, you know, media pressure do in teams like New York, you know, it's hard to live. And sometimes it's not good also, you know, for the team and to get good results.

So they definitely shield us from all the outside. So yeah, it was great. I mean, you know, it was good from a player standpoint. You know, we actually enjoy that. Well, what was it like you guys are one of the best teams, obviously one of the best teams of that era, but I do want to know your side of the Miami-San Antonio rivalry, right? Because we know this Miami side that's well documented.

They did have respect for you guys. But again, they didn't have the cocoon you guys had. What was it like playing up against them and playing against LeBron? because you were a guy that guarded LeBron and did a good job. He did a good job on LeBron. I learned everything from Raja. Yes.

What was it like that first series against them in 2012, 2013? What was that like? And then we'll go on from there. What was that first series like? It was great. It was a great battle, you know. It was playing like, you know, two style of basketball clashing pretty much, you know, the way they were playing, like you say, all the hype.

and you know, the quality of the players individually, you know, was way better than our team, you know. But the way we were playing together and the team playing was matching with what they were doing. And so it was, it was just, you know, very interesting. It was, it was a great time. We were like only a few seconds from winning that first championship in the 2013, you know, from Ray Allen shots. Yeah, Ray Allen shot. What Ray Allen's shot? What the fuck?

Because that series was a series where both of you guys were just blowing each other out in the last two games. It was really, really close. Would you think you had it in the bag game six? What was that like? Tell me about that. Everybody thought we had it. You know, we thought you had it. Even Miami thought we had it.

Yeah. So, I mean, yeah. Were you thinking about, I'm about to go turn up in Miami right after in like about two hours, I'm about to get lit? No, I mean, we don't think about that. I mean, you always, yeah, you keep. everything inside, but we know we were getting close

to close the series. But yeah, you know, one offensive rebound, you know, if we get the offensive rebound, the game is over, and then they get it and hit it in the last second. So, I mean, it was hard and it was stuff. But, yeah, one bad bounce

makes you lose the game at that time, but also we could have won the game, you know, plays before, like 10 plays before that. by just, you know, playing a different way. And so that fueled us for the next season after that. One of the things that I liked about your team is you guys would, you guys are always focused, but afterwards, you guys kind of always seem to keep things in perspective.

I remember when you guys lost against the Clippers the first round, right? That's a, it was a fucked up loss to have. But you guys have a team function where you guys are chilling on Hollywood Boulevard, right? It's, you guys are keeping things in perspective. How did you guys do that after you guys lose in Miami? You're still in Miami and you lose the way you guys lost. What was it like right after that game? What did you guys do?

How was the vibe? What was going on? Well, like we always do. You know, pop say, you know, win or lose, men's got to eat. So we went to a restaurant. And so we had like a team dinner where pretty much every player, you know, had to come even after losing. Because, you know, when you lose, obviously you don't want to see anybody and stuff like that. but, you know, just to be able to overcome that and get on a right track already, you know, for the next season.

And then to celebrate also a good season, you know, you lose that last game. It doesn't erase everything you did in the whole season. And so we all went, we all had dinner. I remember the name of the Italian restaurant. Then by the water in Miami by the epic. So anyway, we went there, we all had dinner over there. Was it good? Was it a great meal?

Yeah, well, it was great food, but obviously, I mean, everybody was kind of down and stuff like that and cheering each other up. And like, you know, it's sport and it's cruel and things happen. But, you know, life still goes on and we'll get another chance, you know, pretty much. That's the spirit. And so that's what we did the next season. focus for you guys going into that next season? Because you guys go in and you guys, and you guys beat the Miami Heat in five. That's why. The focus for the whole season the next year was nuts.

And it started like from a training camp. In training camp, Pop showed us that game six were around and make the last shot. And so we saw the, I don't even know if we saw the last shot, but we saw the whole second half. And so, and Pop and first put the emphasis on, pay attention to Jim. details and all the details. Like, yeah, one shot beat us, but like I was saying earlier, all the mistakes that we did during that, that second half could have been avoided. It was a lot of stupid mistakes.

It was a lot of details that wasn't done, you know, not sitting a screen properly, not boxing out, you know, even if it's 10 minutes to the end of the game, if we done that at that time and all these little details, we would have won the game. And so we use that to fuel. We use that game to fuel the whole season. The whole season we're thinking about this game. And so going into the finals, the same, yeah. So the mantra that season was pay attention to details.

Yes. Wow. They were the most, Raja, they were the most fucking in-tune, locked-in team I've ever seen. You guys systematically beat them every single game over than one. I did have a question. How fucking hot was it that first game when LeBron got cramps? How fucking hot was it in that arena, bro? Oh, when he was hot.

Yes. It was hot. San Antonio was so sick. You guys had fucking bats in the arena. You guys were sneaky sick in that in that fucking arena. No, no, no, no. Fuck that, Bobo. One time somebody told me they had a snake in a locker somewhere.

What the fuck? It was a snake in a visiting locker. And then there was like, oh, shit. The Boston Garner always has lore of like having shit done to other teams. You, you San Antonio. do that. It was hot for everybody. But for sure, like, to me it was hot, but we used to play hot and no AC because it was no

arena, not even one in France that have AC. And so we're playing in the summertime, it's just super hot because it's summer. And it's like 90 degrees. And you play in arena where it's 90. And so we just used to. So it was obviously not comfortable, but it was not that bad for us. But, you know, you got to drink some water, man, so you don't get no cramps. Got the hydrate, bro.

That arena is out. The sticks, too. It's out on, like, the rodeo grounds. It's like, it's out there. Yep. In Antonio. And you guys beat LeBron. You guys in LeBron's time in Miami.

How did that, how was the celebration after that? I mean, celebration was nuts. I mean, we were celebrating not just that night, but for a week. I felt like it was a week-long celebration, you know, going out every day, every night. It was just like being on the cloud for like a week. But then he came back down, you know, and then that's what I feel like. You know, when you win a championship like that, I mean, it's great when it happens. But then once it's over, you know, it's over.

It's like, you know, now I'm thinking about it. I'm like, okay, yeah, we win a championship. But where do you go now? Well, now, I just want to know, like in San Antonio, like no shade at San Antonio. I like San Antonio. I honestly don't know where to go either. I'd rather win the chip in Miami just because I know where I can go. Where the hell did you go after you beat that?

What did you do? No, the same night we just went to dinner and then we had like a long dinner with everybody and then all, you know, all the staff, all the coaching staff, all the players, all the families and everybody. So we just were just like hanging out mostly there. But then, yeah, you can go to any club. And then the old city was just like celebrating for like a month. So there is, there is places to go. There is clubs too often. Okay.

How the fuck does you guard LeBron, man? Like, how did you do that? You did a great job on him? I didn't do it on my own, first of all. You watched film with Roger Bell. Team effort. Yeah. I was thinking of close line, but I didn't do it.

I was like, that would be the last resort. It really is going off. If you want to take that Red Bull, you might have done it. Exactly. I didn't have it in me. I didn't have it in me. I didn't have it in me. No, but at the time, it was different.

You know, and people were asking me that also because it was watching the last finals. it was still going off and it was amazing in those finals. But I'm like, he's better now than he was back then. I don't think I could have guard him the same way now. How did you try to guard him? That he was back then. Because back then, his shot was not as reliable at it is now.

So pretty much it was like, pick your poison. And I was a taller and big. And so that's why I could guard him closer to the basket because I could match. I was maybe heavier in him as well. But you were quick. You watched from the outside of Scouter report, they don't think that you're this guy that's going to like, you know,

that's going to, they behave, known you, Boris. Deceptively quick. But, yeah, pretty much it was picking poison. And because I had a long reach and long arms, I would just, you know, back up a little bit, give him some space. All I wanted to do is not him going by me. So as long as it was shooting over me, then it was like, okay, what is percentage going to be, you know?

But nowadays, I feel like his shot is way more reliable, and you cannot do that anymore. Yeah, he's added a lot to his game. I was doing analyst work at the time. And I remember, like, saying that Boris is going to, his ability to guard him is a huge key for them. Because you spaced him, made him shoot contested, and he was big enough and physical enough around the rim to not give him easy looks. Like, dudes like me, I guarded LeBron, but he's just too big. He's going to finish over you at the rim. He's going to knock me off on my platform.

You did a great job on them in that series, though. It was critical to that. Hey, take me back to you touched on like you needed. It's not only you defending, like, what it was like when we tried to defend Kobe, right? Because, like, it was my assignment a lot, but, like, you had to have five sets of eyes locked in as a team. And some of those shots, they're on me a lot on SportsCenter, but some of them are on your ass too. Exactly. I know.

Are you saying you're overrated as a defender? I've always said that. Like, you're never, like, you just go out and do your best, bro. I think in his top ten, you know, they got his top ten of all time. And then he's top ten. I think he shot over my face twice. Well, you're right next to me. I'm right.

I'm right there. I'm in at least seven of them. So I. Yeah, exactly. I'm coming to help, but it doesn't help at all. But yeah, no, yeah. I mean, it's something that you got to do, you know, together. I got to, got to be able to,

funnel, you know, these kind of players. There is, there is those caliber players in the league, you don't stop them. You're just trying to disrupt their game a little bit. You try to get their percentage down, but you cannot stop somebody like that. So it's really, you know, funneling and then like, you know, pushing to the hand. Like maybe going right is going to shoot 65% and going left is going to shoot 61. So you want to push him left, you know, try to get this little 4%. So a lot of it was like that

But relying on Rajah was was was big No I say look I I talked to Logan You know we have conversations Darius Miles said it the other day But a lot of fans you know And rightfully so like that you're you're the villain When you're trying to stop their favorite player

But the point is you're never stopping them So like the point I was trying to make When you close line their favorite player too Rajas I mean that doesn't help But Tabor is like I really believe it Like all you're trying to do Is disrupt and make make it as tough as it can be for them,

run them off of some percentage points from their field goal percentage, keep them off the free throw line. If you do that, you give your team a chance to win because you ain't stopped, like good O, B's good D all the time. You can't stop those kind of players.

Yeah. Bobo, how was it like, what was it like playing against the 73 and 9 warriors? Because you guys were, people forget, you guys are probably one of the best regular season teams of all time that year. And you guys got some,

you guys were a tough team for them to play. play. What was that like playing against them in the regular season and then going to play them in the Western Conference Finals? Not Western Conference Finals. That was the next year. But what was it like playing against them in the regular season

your last year in San Antonio? I mean, they were an amazing team. The Arsenal and the thing that they could do on the court, like you cannot, yeah, same. It's a team that you don't stop. I know we're talking about player. But like individually and as

a team. They had so many, so many possibilities offensively that, you know, if you, you know, disrupt or try to stop this guy or this guy, you know, this Clay Thompson's going to, you know, half 35 on you or Durant or, you know, Curry. So we just try to do whatever we're doing all season, you know, playing defense, team defense playing together. But really, it was a team that was, you know, unstoppable at the time. Was that a dynasty? Y'all didn't really foresee, right? Because when I think you guys played them 2012, 2012, 2013, they were just a good team. And in the next year, they lose in the first round.

And all of a sudden, 14, 15, they're just, it's just a different level of basketball. I don't know if we've seen yet. You guys are the top dogs in the Western Conference. Were you guys expecting the Warriors to be that team that they were? Did you guys think, oh, we have two more years as a shot at this title? Yeah, I mean, you could see it. you saw, when you saw, you know, Durant, you know, being in a team in the way

it was playing, I think he was, when all of them were on their game, you could see that it was, you know, really, really hard to do something. Yeah. Well, I want to know real quick before you, I know you're trying to catch some snow dog. Like, talk to me about what you're doing with the French, with the French national team.

Like you said, you're general managing it. Like, give us some names of stuff in the pipeline that we might see on NBA courts that your general fan wouldn't know about yet uh you mean some players yeah some players yeah i mean there is some already that just got you know drafted uh so one kid in uh in o k c teo maledon is is doing really well uh and two kids in detroit you got killian as and uh secu du buya so uh but very young i mean they're all 19 years old uh and so you can see that they came very very, very young, you know, in the NBA.

And so it's going to take them, you know, a couple of years to adjust and to get to that level. But, you know, great talented players. Yeah, we got a really young guy who's like 16, 17 in France right now. Victor Wen Bahama was going to also, yeah, it's going to be top drafted. What is he? What's he do? It's a center. Well, it's a center because it's like 7-2, but you can.

you know, dribble between his legs, step back, shoot three. It's like, he's pretty amazing. And he's 16, 17 years old. Yeah, that's what I was. Okay. All right, man. Well, it's pretty much the same height as Gobert. But, but shoot.

But just completely different than Rudy, right? Like, different type of game for sure. Do we need to put some more respect on the French national team's legacy? Because I don't know if we do that. Do we need to stop? Well, what was the last team that beat, eliminate the U.S. in the last World Cup? I'm saying.

Just saying, bro. I'm saying. So, USA, you know, with him? No, I'm not going to say too much because we're playing a first game from the Olympics. You're about to get somebody's ass wood. Hey, does Lolo work with you? Lolo Florent? Does he work with the, does he?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lois is a CETA coach for a team here. Oh, tell him, I said, what's up, man. Yep. Oh, well, so we'll look good. And tell mom, dad, Paco, Martin. Tell everybody I said what's the team. God.

It's been a good time. Boris has the best family, bro. Real talk. The best. They're all funny. They are funny. Roger, you have not only been a legend before you got on this podcast from Rajat's selling all these stories, but you've gotten co-signs from Steve Kerr.

You've gotten co-signs from Tim Duncan on this podcast from a lot of different people on this podcast. And I just want to say you've lived up to every single expectation that we have had of this podcast. Thank you so much, Boris, for coming on. You are a friend of the show and you could come on any time. All right, I'll come back. I will come to you.

Like, we'll come to you in Bordeaux or the boat. Bordeaux. We'll do it from the boat. We'll do it from the boat. We'll do it from the boat. Let's go from the fucking boat. All right. Next one from the boat.

Boris D. Out. Thank you so much for coming on a row with podcasts. Got it. A little boat.