The Ringer NBA Show - Daryl Morey Resigns From the Rockets, Ty Lue Promoted at the Clippers, Plus: NBA Mailbag | The Mismatch

Episode Date: October 16, 2020

Verno and KOC get into the hiring of Ty Lue as head coach of the Clippers and Daryl Morey’s resignation from the Rockets (0:35). Then they dig into the ‘NBA Show’ mailbag to answer all your questions about head coach searches, offseason team building, the draft, and more (24:02).  Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to today's episode of The Mismatch. Today, we are going to be talking about Ty Lou getting hired in L.A. In addition to that, we'll get to all of the coaching news going on in the NBA and Daryl Morey's exit in Houston. And then, after that, we will get to this week's mailbag. Now, on to the show. Welcome to The Ringer NBA show. I'm Chris Vernon. Join him, he does every Friday from The Ringer.com.

It's Kevin O'Connor, A.K. Kevin O'Bomber, Kevin O'Connor. Kevin O'Camara, Kevin O'Cand, Kevin O'Brien. Vernon. What's going on, buddy? Well, we talked about the NBA season ending earlier this week. And then I guess there was some expectation that we might have news by Friday, but I don't know if we knew we'd have this much news. There's a lot going on.

First of which is Ty Lou, getting the Clippers job. He was on their bench. I think this was a big surprise because you and I talk about this in the weeks leading up. And I recall saying, if it's Ty Lou, why didn't you just give him the job? Why are you having this lag time between Doc Rivers going and getting the Philadelphia job? If he's the guy, he's already there. You know who that is. You know that's who you want to be the next coach.

Why are you just not hiring him? And so I think, I don't know, I thought it would be somebody else. You got to do your due diligence, Chris. I guess. You got to look around at every option available. You got to call Coach K. You got to call everybody who's out there and see who you might be available. And, you know, they did interview Jeff Van Gundy as well.

They talked to Sam Kassel as well. I mean, they had options out there. And ultimately, I think it's important no matter what it is that you're doing, you know, when it comes to a big decision in your life is, you know, think through some options. and ultimately for them landing on Ty Lou after the process, after going through the process, it's not a major surprise at this point with the rumblings the past week or so. And for them, you know, Tyler's a good coach. He's a good coach.

And it was reported today that he also, you know, has some respect from the players in the locker room. So that part is important with the accountability aspect. And I'm not like, you know, head over heels for the signing if I'm a Clippers fan because Tylo is very much from like the Doc Rivers tree of coaching. So there's some similarities there with style. But, you know, he's a good coach. And he's coached stars before to great success in Cleveland. Well, and when this whole thing went down with Doc Rivers,

one of the things that you mentioned was that this was a bomber deal. And so when you talk about the stars wanting him, you do wonder, did they go to Kauai? Did they go to Paul George? Did they go to the others? and they say, okay, here's who we're thinking about hiring or here's who we've talked to. What do you guys think? And then, of course, because they have been around the guy all the time and presumptively

they like the guy, they say hire Ty Lou. Because they'd be comfortable with him and they know what they're getting in Tai Liu, where if they hire somebody from outside of the Clippers organization, who knows what they're getting. And so I'm not surprised that players, you know, right? Like if that mattered a lot to them, I'm not surprised a player stood up for Ty Lou. Yeah, I mean, ultimately, I feel like with this move,

there's not a lot to talk about. Just being totally really. There's just not a lot of talk about because Tyloo comes from within the organization. He's not a shocking hire, you know, from the college ranks or anything like that. Tyloos been a coach before. We know he's a solid coach. And for the Clippers, a lot of it is going to come down to. what do they do with Montres Harrell, who's a free agent this summer?

Do they try to flip Lou Williams, who really struggled in the bubble, got attacked relentlessly on the defensive end of the floor? To me, they're another team. Like the Sixers, we talked about them when they hired Doc Rivers. To me, for the Clippers, it's more about what changes happened internally with the roster to the personnel. And then also with the leadership aspect. Did they find somebody in the locker room?

You know, in addition to Patrick Breveley, who's that voice, Does Kauai Leonard self-assess over the off-season? And it's like, you know what? I got to step up. This is my chance here to be a leader and be more than I've been throughout my career. Despite all my accomplishments, there's still more than I can do with my voice and the example that I set for others. Maybe there, maybe to me, to me, that's what's most important more so than the decision that they made at head coach. I think this is the question.

The question is if I'm the clipper's front office, I sit there and I say, okay, we blew through one lead to the Denver Nuggets. Would this have happened if Blank was our coach? And I get it that he was on that side line. But, you know, when you have somebody that is as commanding as Doc Rivers, I can understand if it wasn't, it's not Ty Lue's team. He is an assistant coach who probably respects the role of the head coach. And he's not going, that's not his team, right? And so what you hope The dream scenario is that Ty Lou is your Nick Nurse, which is we don't believe that Dwayne Casey got us over the hump, but Nick Nurse can't. He can, he was there and he can improve.

Now, in fairness, Nick Nurse had a lot better hand dealt to him the first year. The second year he really did. Kauai Leonard. Right. But the second year he really didn't and he outperformed, he outperformed that. You're right. But Doc Rivers did the year before they got Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. So it's like that's why again to me, it's like it's not about the coach.

It's about the team. It's about the players. It's about the decisions made by the front office with the roster personnel. Are you willing to give Montrose hell $15 or $16 million or you let him walk? Are you willing to chop around Lou Williams and change things up with your bench unit? And really, you know, set the coordinates differently for how you want to structure this team and maximize Kauai. PG. To me, I'm so much more interested in that, which we don't know yet, than I am about the decision at head coach. It's just, like, really the, really the way I totally feel about it.

I'm not that interested, like, in the decision there until we see the roster because he's a good coach. Like, there's really not a lot too. But you don't think he moves that, but this is what I'm sensing. You're trying to be nice about it. You don't think he moves the needle. I mean, I don't think, I'm not, I don't think like, you could get the best coach in basketball. get Nick Nurse and he might help, but you still need to make some roster changes. Like to me, like you could trade for Greg Popper. Look, if they traded for Greg Potovich, it would be an unbelievable story and it'll be like, this helps, whatever weird reunion with Kauai and Pop, but it would still be about what about

the roster? What do they do with Harold? What do they do with Lou Will? It would still be about that. You know what I mean? I understand. Is Ty Lou would upgrade over Doc Rivers? I mean, probably not.

No. I don't think so either. I mean, but upgrade is relative. I mean, is he an upgrade in a vacuum? He's a different voice. He's a different voice. Exactly. Exactly. You nailed it right there. He's a different voice and maybe that's all they need.

Maybe that is all they need because they certainly had the roster to do better than what they did. Sure. Daryl Morey, who is, I mean, one of the most successful general managers in NBA history and one of the most active general managers in NBA history. Huh? On Twitter, most active. Well, no, on Twitter, on Twitter, unfortunately to a fault, but also trade-wise, he has made more trades and more acquisitions and more moves than anybody in the league

over the last several years. Beyond that, he has filtered through all manner of big names in Houston. They have maintained a level of success. they have gone to the playoffs year after year after year. You know you can count on the Houston Rockets being there. The amount of success they have once they get there has wavered. He also has changed basketball, Kevin. There are those that resent him,

but he has changed the league significantly in his philosophy using Rio Grande Valley as almost a test. slab for a type of basketball shooting a billion threes and then bringing that to the NBA. And I don't think the league is better for him not being a part of it. In fact, I think it's significantly worse for him not being a part of it. And this was something that everybody within NBA circles saw coming once that tweet went out. In fact, honestly, once Tillman Fertita bought the Houston Rockets.

it was going to be a different deal, right? Because that was not the owner that Daryl came in under. Then you have compound that with the tweet that cost, according to Adam Silver, upwards of $400 million. And then you have the whole Russell Westbrook trade, which it's always been bandied about might not have been his decision. It wasn't. That was a James Hardin decision.

That was a hardened decision, period. Hardin didn't want to play with Chris Paul. He did want to play with Russell Westbro. and if you don't make that trade, then James Hardin wants to go. So Darrell had to make that deal. I'm just saying, Kevin, under any other circumstances, other than what has taken place over the course of the last calendar year, this is stunning news.

And instead, when that news came out today, you could have knocked me over with a feather. I mean, like, it just, I mean, I did not think Daryl was going to continue to be the Houston Rockets general manager. In fact, I think you and I referenced that just a few weeks ago on the show. Yeah, you know what? Like with Darrell, ever since he got hired in 0708, they've had the second highest win percentage in the league right behind the spurs.

They have built winning teams. They pushed the Warriors to the brink, went to a game seven against one of the greatest teams of all time. And if it weren't for Chris Ball, you know, hurting his hamstring, maybe they win that series and maybe they go all the way to the NBA finals and win it. They never, you know, reached the mountain top. but Darrell is somebody who I will always respect for building winning teams and innovating the game and pushing it forward.

And at a time when everybody was talking about, oh, the Warriors, like, our KD, should you wait them out, wait out this dynasty. Darrell and the Rockets were like, no way, we're going for it. And they did. They made the trade for Chris Paul, of course. They made the trade for Westbrook. They made all these other transactions, tried going with Smallball and everything else. They went forward and did everything that they.

he could. It just didn't work. But with Daryl, I hope, despite some of the stuff this past year, he's able to get an opportunity. I hope, you know, I think he would immediately go to the top of the list for any team that might have an opening for a guy to run their front office. It's just a matter of like Wode reported today. Is he going to want to go back or is he going to want to take a step back for a little bit of time and spend time with his family and maybe do some media? I don't know what Daryl's plans are. I would love for him to do stuff with the ringer or anywhere else. I think Daryl will be a media superstar. He would be awesome.

I think no matter what Daryl does, he always Daryl's a good guy and he always seems to find a way to enjoy what he's doing. I wish him luck with whatever he does moving forward. But for Houston, with Fertita there, they've had a coach willingly

leave within the past month and Mike Dantone. They're Daryl Mory, willingly leave just today. And then there's report that their preferences at head coach are John Lucas, who would come off, who was an assistant coach there or Jeff Van Gundy. I mean, full disclosure here for Tita is cheap. And John Lucas, or even Van Gundy for that matter, are probably two of the cheaper options on the market, specifically John Lucas. And John Lucas could be a great coach. And it was reported that Hardin likes him,

Westbrook likes him, and that's important. That's a big part of it. But an owner that was unwilling to go into the tax, in order that was unwilling to spend big money, and owner that has experienced, unfortunately, like many people across the country, but a billionaire owner has experienced some hardships in his own respective way this year is also seeming to maybe trim. And if I'm Daryl Mory, I'm thinking to myself,

like maybe now's the time to bounce and just spend some time with my family. Because if you look at Houston, we talked about this week's back, as great as they've been. again second best regular season record ever since more we got hired in 07 second best you look ahead hardin and westbrook can be free agents in 22 they have player options for the 2022 2022 2023 season if good things go sour if they hire the wrong coach or the team doesn't get better they they have you know they get swept early in a playoff series what happens does hardin

one out does russ want out do they just walk suddenly the houston situation could be going on a bad path. And for Mori, I'm sure if you were like the favorite, you wouldn't be leaving. There's probably an element of that in there with his decision to walk away right now where he doesn't feel like he can maximize this core. Now is the

time to bounce. Kevin, I'll tell you this. You know, I have not been a huge Rockets fan or very nice to the Rockets. I'm not a huge Harden fan. You are not. That being said, there is no team that could hire Darry that I

do not think that that would be an absolutely brilliant hire that I would believe he could turn into a playoff team in three years time. And I'm talking, who is the shittiest team? Just name it. I don't, I don't, I mean, obviously, huh? Pistons. I mean, like, Pistons. I mean, it was the NICT, right? Yeah, I mean, like a team, a team that doesn't really have anything right now. Yeah, the Knicks at least have some drafts. Okay, Charlotte. Charlotte is the team that, like, Charlotte. They're in a bad spot right now, right? That's all that's got PJ Washington. That would be mild.

They have the number three pick. They have PJ Washington. I understand. Okay. They're in a bad spot. Do we agree? Yeah, they are.

When your answer is they have BJ Washington. The 14th pick two years ago, not a great spot. They got the third pick. I'm not arguing who's in the worst position. There's a couple teams in bad. That finds. But if, Charlotte, Detroit, New York,

whatever, whatever it might be. Darrell could. Okay. Would it three years time, Charlotte would be a playoff team in the Easter conference and maybe a top five seat. That's how much I believe in him as a general manager. I believe that.

He's proven that he can find guys that others may be undervaluing, whether that's a James Hart and whether that's a PJ Tucker, whether it's even a Clint Capello who was a mid to late first round draft pick for that matter. I mean, he has found guys and, different ways. Trade free agency draft. Hey. And here's the thing that he doesn't get credit for. It is hard to stay good. Like, yeah, they've stayed good for a long time.

You can say, oh, well, he's got, that's because he's got James Harden. Well, bro, he traded for James Hardin. Right. And before that, he put together this team full of dogs with Kyle Lowry and Shane Battier and Ron Artec and that team. So, I mean, and he's, he's gone through Dwight Howard, he's going through Chris Paul, he's gone through Russell Westbrook. Like he's had all manner of different rosters there. And never once did he ever just bottom out to try to get back up. Like he, they have maintained a level of success year after year after year. And it's not, it's not I had Tim Duncan and I won for 15 years straight. He's had all kinds of different players and had a winning franchise.

The last year Rick Alleman coached in Houston 2010, 2011, just some of the names in that roster. Kyle Lowry, Gorin Dragich, Kevin Martin, Courtney Lee, Shane Badier, Luis Scola, Patrick Patterson, Jared Jeffries, Chuck Hayes, Jordan Hill, Brad Miller, Yalemang played 91 minutes that year's near the end. But they had some good players. They had some good players in Houston, even before they got Hardin. They had to flip some solid talent in order to get Hardin as well,

at least on paper, solid talent. But he landed Hardin, and ultimately that changes everything for you. But Hardin was a guy who was a sixth man in Oklahoma City. And I'm not quite sure that other teams may have seen what the Rockets did in elevating his usage and turning things up to 11 like they did with him. And he just kept getting better over time, too. last news note from the day is that Dave Yeager, former Memphis Grizzlies coach,

former Sacramento Kings coach, has been added to the staff in Philadelphia under Doc Rivers. And you know, I know Dave Yeager very well. I made my comments a couple of weeks ago when he was up for that Indiana job. He's a fantastic basketball coach. He has gotten into it with two different front offices for different reasons. But he is an outstanding.

basketball coach, who I watched every game the guy coach for many years. This is a great hire in Philadelphia, if you can get him as an assistant. And I thought it would have been a reasonable hire, possibly a very good hire for Kevin Pritchard in Indiana. I don't know what's going to happen with that Indiana job, but clearly Yeager and his agent knew we're not getting that job. and so they're taking this job in Philadelphia, but we wondered how Doc is going to do in Philly. I can say with confidence, in addition to Doc and his expertise, those are two of the best out-of-time-out guys there are in the world.

Both Doc Rivers and Dave Yeager. Dave Yeager, outside of Brad Stevens, is as good as I have ever seen. And those are moments where you watch a coach and other coaches. coaches laud him. And I have heard many other players laud how well coached and how well prepared Dave Yeager teams are. And so the roster is a different issue.

They ain't going to have a coaching problem in Philly. Between Doc Rivers and Dave Yager, if they don't, I promise you, if they do not live up to expectation, it's not going to be because they were poorly coached because they've got two really good coaches. that will, I think, really balance each other out.

I mean, Dave Yeager, under the best Grizzly seasons were Lionel Hollins was the head coach and his lead assistant was Dave Yeager. And I think this is very reminiscent of that. You have a coach that played in the league who commands respect from a locker room, who is a non-nance, no-nonsense guy that is able to confront, even your biggest star in the locker room and say you're killing us. And then you have who I think is a basketball savant in Yeager next to him. And so I'll say this,

they've effed up a lot of stuff in Philly. They haven't effed up this coaching bench because this is going to be dynamite. Yeah, I mean, we're seeing a handful of coaching staffs load up. We saw the Lakers do that with their all-star cast of assistance behind Frank Vogel. In addition to Ty Lou, Shams Tronnie reported today that Chauncey Billups and Larry Drew

will be joining Tyloo as assistants with the clippers. We saw the rumor and by the way, it's exciting to see Billups, get an opportunity as an assistant coach. I'm sure he'll be a head coach at some point someday. And then we saw the rumors with Steve Nash and Brooklyn, the possibility

of him hiring Phil Handy from the Lakers, who is a very well renowned player development assistant coach and as well as possibly Mike Dan Tony. If he doesn't land a head coaching position that he could join Steve Nash on the bench. So we're seeing a lot of coaches bolster their, you know, assistance because it's important. It's not just a one-man job. You mean an entire crew from the assistants on the front of the bench to the back of the

bench, to the guys in the video room. It's an entire operation to get teams prepared and ready to adapt in a playoff series and just, you know, get rolling over the course of the whole long, regular season, of course. You like this because I can update something that we've talked about many times on the show. You recall early in the playoffs, I told you Tony Allen had said to me, who still keeps up with Rondo about the whole not jumping that much on threes. He became a three-point shooter, Jason Kidd's on his bench, whatever. Tony talked to Rondo a couple of days ago, and you know who Rondo went over and above.

And this is like not talking to a reporter on the record. this is talking to his buddy. He raved about Handy. He said that's the guy. That's the guy, like, because T.A. asked Rondo, like, what happened here, right? Because he turned up, obviously, in the playoffs. And he said, everything this guy threw at me, I did. And he said, this guy, Phil Handy.

This guy, Phil Handy is unbelievable. And I'm like, yo, if Rondo is saying that, like, I don't know Phil Handy. the Phil Handy could walk in this room right now, and I wouldn't know who that is, right? I'm serious. You're in your bedroom. That would be kind of surprising. That would be weird, right?

That being said, I know this. If Rondo, who has been in the league for what, 13 to 15 years, I mean, he was going on. Why is Phil Handy here? Yeah, that's right. Get out of my room, Phil Handy. He was going. He went on and on about how great this guy is. And I was like, wow.

Because I think the expectation was that Jason Kidd is probably the guy that he would really talk up because we talked about how Rondo's kind of turned into Jason Kidd late career. But evidently, this Phil Handy, these players love him. They do. Players love Phil Handy. They love him wherever he's been. And, you know, we'll see what happens between Brooklyn and him staying possibly with the Lakers. What a career this guy's had. You know, he was in Cleveland.

And then he went to Toronto last year, won a title. then he went to LA won a title. God bless. I mean, hire Phil Handy, whoever you are, right? Exactly. This guy's bringing titles with them. All right. We said we were going to do a mailbag earlier in the week,

and we were deluged with all kinds of mailbag questions. We're going to take a quick break, and when we come back, we are going to get to said mailbag. All right. I said earlier in the week that we had announced a mailbag that we were going to do, and our listeners have sent in a ton of questions. So many. So many.

That have been put aside. And so look, let's say this off the back. We apologize if your question is not used. We are deeply appreciative. That does not mean it may not be used in a future mailbag. Because we did get a ton of these. Yeah.

Producer Sasha, she has the questions. And if your question isn't used, blame her. Okay, don't blame me. Okay. Okay, don't blame me, but I was, I have to say, I was very touched by all the messages. And I know that Kevin wrote a lot of them too. And we're just glad that you guys found the show so useful in quarantine. Everybody had such a good time with it.

Thank you. Thank you, everybody. So many heartfelt messages. First question from Mr. Rett Bauer. With your reporting, I assume he means U-K-O-C. With your reporting of Chris Finch being the frontrunner for the Pacers head coach position, do you think there's a chance the Pacers run it back with the two Biggs and see what Finch can do? Or do you just surrender the idea altogether, trade one of the bigs and give him pieces to work with that naturally fit better?

He also asked, what chance do you give Ola Depot of playing another game in a Pacer's jersey, which is quite a sad question? With Ola Depot, who knows? I mean, that remains to be seen. I support, you know, the reports that have been out there from Jared Weiss and Jay Michael that All Depot does have a wandering eye and he would look elsewhere. As for Chris Finch, we'll see what ends up happening. I've heard he's the frontrunner. There's still other guys, you know, that are contenders for that position.

But Finch is somebody who's had success with past situations and maximizing a big man as kind of the offensive coordinator of the systems he's helped run. And so for Indiana, I'd be excited above all else to see what can happen with somebody who would put Sabonis into positions to succeed with the ball in his hands, maybe elevating his playmaking responsibility more. And also, I mean, McMillan was a good coach, but I've always just been perplexed when you have Miles Turner pick and popping to the deep mid-range instead of the three.

Is that a comfort thing, kind of like Lamarcus Aldridge? Aldridge is somebody who's been reluctant to shoot threes instead of, and he prefers the deep twos. Is that the case with Turner? I don't think so. Turner's been shooting three since he was in high school. So I look forward to seeing whoever is hired if they're going to maximize those two bigs together

because I think it can work. It's just a lot of it is going to be about system moving forward. And Finch would be a good hire. A lot of people around the league like him. What's the deal with Oladipo? I do wonder if this is about the bubble thing and about him not wanting to particularly play. and then that story came out where it could cost him $3 million.

And so if this is just aggravation about that whole situation, because others from that. It's frustration with the way the injury was handled. It was a disagreement on injury with Indiana versus his own people. Yeah. And also, I think he does also want to win. Like, Ola Depot wants to win a championship. But, bro, they spent money on, they brought in Malcolm Brockton.

They went and spent money on Jeremy Lamb. They've got Demontes a bonus. I mean, I'm not saying, I know. is a really good team and maybe, you know, had Ola Depot been 100% healthy and had everything worked out, had Turner been healthy, sorry, had Saboanus been healthy, maybe they make a run instead of Miami, who knows? But for Indiana and for Ola Depot, I think it's a number of different things. And also, by the way, he trains and lives in Miami during the off-season. And they, they, they, their number one preference is, of course, Yannis out of the Kumpo, but so

so isn't Dallas's and Toronto's and Milwaukee's and everybody for that matter. But Ola Dibo does train and live in Miami during summers, off seasons, I should say, because it's not the summer anymore. The offseason is no longer the summer. All right. We started small market. Let's go big market, perhaps the biggest. What is the best player that you think will be available for the Lakers to acquire in this offseason to be a third star?

And relatedly, you know, we got a lot of different forms of basically the same question, which was, how can the Lakers improve their roster? You know, what are they going to do this off season to improve their roster? Tomas from Argentina asked the original question, but lots of people asked this question. I made a video this week. I'm going to plug that for the restart about the Lakers and how they can improve the roster moving forward. they'll likely have the non-taxpayer mid-level exception depending on what they pay some of their other pending free agents. But in all likelihood, they'll have some money to play around with around $9 or $10 million for that mid-level exception. And considering only five or six teams are going to have cap space, there's not going to be many bidders against them.

So whether it's a Danilo Galanari or whether it's somebody like a Joe Harris, even though I think he might be a little bit out of their price. range or whether it's some of the help around the edges like a moharkless for that matter i think think the lakers are going to be able to go out there and find something in free agency but beyond that they have the 28th pick in the draft this draft is deep with quality potential role players especially at the wing position they could use that and also kuzma as young as he is that they did decide to trade packaging that pick and kuzma together could maybe get you a quality player that can help now or maybe another young guy that a team wants to flip. So the Lakers do have a little bit of flexibility this offseason.

And the advantage that they have is that not a lot of other teams have the ability to say, we're immediately going to contend for a championship, come ring chase with us when those other teams can't offer a lot more money, considering the lack of a market this summer, this offseason, sorry. Okay. Let me think. How do I say this nicely? The question was, how do the Nix get a third star?

And I guess my first question would be is, Lakers. The Lakers. It wasn't third star. It was like third player. It was third star. It was. They wanted.

Well, I mean, in parentheses, it says maybe not third star, but their third best player. Right. Okay. But still, I think that a lot of Lakers fans were maybe under and also a lot of people around the Belagascphere slash media. sphere slash everyone. We're underwhelmed by like the third best player on the Lakers team. So I think that's where this question is coming from.

Yeah, you are. But if you're talking like star like Bradley Bale, I'm sorry, Bradley Bale's not being traded. I think it's important for NBA fans to remove that from their expectations for this off season. It's highly unlikely that Bradley Biel would be traded. They're going to try to see how things go with Wall and Biel. I would not expect a notable star to.

get moved this offseason for that matter, especially to a team like the Lakers with, they don't necessarily have the cap. They don't have the salaries to put into a deal for a guy making $25, $30 million. You would have to have somebody really good, take less money. Yeah. That's the answer. Like when you said Gallaudari or somebody like that, he has to make a lot less money. And just decide, I want to live in L.A.

I liked it when I was in L.A. I liked when I was playing with the Clippers. I would like to be there again. I'm willing to make less money in order to do that. Lou Williams makes less money than what he'd be making. I mean, guys do it. Guys do take less money to play in Los Angeles. They have done it in the past.

And so that is, if you're looking for, but in terms of like big star, and here's the big truth. And I'm that guy that didn't like the third best player. The truth is, you don't need it. They just won the damn title. without it. They don't need it. You don't need the third.

And, you know, as you mentioned, that roster, I think that's the worst. That roster is going to look around LeBron and AD. I don't think you have to worry about that roster getting better. That roster is going to get better. It's going to get better. And by the way, the one name we didn't mention that I got into the video, DeMarcus Cousins. And he did sign with the Lakers before he tore his ACL and, Look, bogeys had some serious injuries.

He did not look good when we last saw him with Golden State. But, you know, now two years removed from that major injury, it'll be over a full year from the ACL. If he could be 70% of what he was when we last saw him with New Orleans, when he was with AD and they were really good together, that's intriguing to me because you're talking about third stars. Maybe he's that guy in name, but not in terms of production, every night. Maybe some nights he brings it, other nights he doesn't, but he's always going to be

somebody who contributes in some ways possibly off that bench or next to 80 in the starting lineup for that matter. Who really knows? All I know is that the Lakers presented problems with their size as is with Javale McGee and Dwight Howard at center. Imagine if Boogie was able to give more, assuming they would bring him back, which I would expect to happen, considering he's been with the team the whole past year for that manner. I already imagined. I already imagined that my dreams were dashed. I won't forget that. That was a very dark week.

That was a dark week. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if DeMarcus cousins can be good again. We'll find out. I hope so. I'm rooting for boogie. Those are some sad injuries. All right.

So next one is from Mr. Max Johnson in Sydney, Australia. So many international questions. So many. He says, hey guys. We're huge all over the world, Sasha. Across the globe. International Worldwide.

If we ever track this back, these are like guys in Iowa. They're not really in Australia, but hey, we appreciate that you say you are. Oh, man. So he says, hey guys,

so I think it's fair to say that Luca Donchich is a top five or six guy in the NBA and could quite possibly have the brightest future in the NBA. My question to you is, can Dallas get it done with Christopps Porzengis as the number two guy.

And if not, which he believes is the case, who is the best second guy in the league to put next to Luca and what roster changes should be made in order to provide Luca and Dallas with the best chance of winning it all? Simple answer, Janus. Sure. Oh, boy.

I mean, that's obviously complicated. I think the answer is no to KP because of the health problems. You can't rely on him to be to your number two. Even if he is in terms of production when he's healthy, you can't assume he'll be healthy. You need to assume that there's a chance he's going to miss some time. And in that way, if I'm Dallas, you've got to find a true number two who you can rely on to be there with Luca.

You think that's just always going to be the case, though? Yeah. If it's not, if that's the only reason. With Chris Daps, you mean? Yes. Yes, I do. I always think injuries are going to be a problem for him. I thought about this the other day because you know who else people said this about?

And revisit this history is a hell of a thing. But this is absolutely true. They said it about Anthony Davis. It's just always going to be a thing. Just is. I'm talking the first four years of his career. Go look. Yeah, it's true.

You know what I mean? It guys always out for something. Always something wrong with them. This guy. KP, though, has been getting hurt even before he was in the NBA. when he was a teenager. And he has a seven weird seven foot three frame with, you know,

a thin waist and broad shoulders and a lot of the same things that you're, a lot of his injuries were far more major than 80s though. Okay. That's a big part of it as well. With KP, man, like I'm not going to lie. He's somebody, the year before he entered the draft.

So 2014, I had him ranked 10th on my board. He took his name out of the draft because he didn't feel like he was going to be a lottery prick for sure. went back the next year obviously goes to the next with the fourth pick i've loved this guy for a long time so this is coming from me like i love kp as a player but i i felt the way you feel right now uh you know what i'm not going to worry about some of the little injuries he's had to his legs i wasn't worried about it i'm saying we talked about this regarding anthony day i'm just saying that's the way i felt

and at this point after four years of a lot more major injuries adding up that's a long list of injuries that he's had, major injuries and nagging injuries. Where I'm just at the point, like, yeah, I still like him as a player. You'd be happy to have him on your team. He's somebody that you could use and be valuable in a series against the Lakers, you know, with his size against AD. But the fact is, is he always gets hurt. And he did again this year with the meniscus problem.

I can accept that. I can accept that. If he is healthy, he is good enough to be the second best guy. But that's why I view him, he's good enough. in terms of talent as the number two, but in terms of the reality of how you're building the roster with his lack of availability in the past, I view him in reality as the third player on your team. And that's unfortunate, but that's the situation that you have with somebody like him, which is why you're going to see Dallas go after Yanis. That's why you're going to see Dallas

go after Bradley Beal if things don't work out for the Wizards. It's why they're going to be looking out for that star whenever that time comes. Will they be able to get them? I don't know. I don't know if that's going to if that's in the cards for them but to me that's important for dallas and not only that though i do think it's important that over time you develop luka off the ball a little bit as well you can't i i don't think you can expect him to be the only guy even a d think about what a d does for lebron ad can create off the dribble he can bring the ball off the floor he can attack closeouts he can facilitate from the post a little bit even though he's on a great pass or he's fine.

Chris Staps, Porzingis is none of those things. KP is a finisher, period. Shoots from deep, he's a defensive rim protector for you, but he's not somebody who's going to create offense for you. And so he's not somebody who's going to alleviate the pressure off of Luca in a

deep playoff series when it's game six, game seven, and your legs are getting tired and need a break sometimes. 80 can give that for LeBron. Jared Dudley was just talking about that on the pod with Bill and Ryan this week, that LeBron directly said that to him, like sometimes I'm going to have to lean on you.

I'm not so sure Luca has that in KP because of KP's lack of shot creation ability. The other skills that he has are best suited when he's playing off of others. And that's when he can really shine. I'm still higher on Porzengis than you are. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. We'll see. We'll see.

What was that one playoff game where they just decided Luca is not going to kill us? And Porzingis just went all the way the hell off in the first half of one of those playoff games. And I'm like, my God, there's every once a while this guy reminds you of how crazy ridiculous he is. Why we called him the unicorn. I believe that was game three. Why we called him the unicorn. And it was like, jeez, there's nothing to match up with this guy.

I mean, I'm not taking anything away from KP here. Yeah, you are. Yeah, you kind of shit on him. You did. I mean, he's a great player. But he also doesn't say healthy and he's more of a finisher than he is a creator. That's my only point. I think he can be your second best guy and you be a dynamite team.

Yeah. You think third best. Yes, he's second best in terms of talent, but in terms of availability, he is not proven that you can be relied upon as your second best player. All right. That's fair. All right. Let's move into the draft.

Let's move into the draft. We have Mr. Tyler Schuster, Wolves fan, much beleaguered, I assume. I think the wolves should draft James Wiseman because our defense and rim protection is the biggest problem we have. Wiseman can make an impact off the ball without the all caps astronomical usage rates Edwards and Ball would most likely want right away. If the league is positionless, then let's draft another big who helps us with our biggest weakness and isn't a zero on the offensive end. What do you all think? I don't like it. I don't like the fit next to towns. No, I just don't like the fit next to towns. I think you

Wiseman is going to be Wiseman is going to be at his best within five feet of the basket right and I don't think on a team with Towns and I know Towns shoots a lot of threes but I don't think that Towns

is I don't think that high low like I just envision that and I don't think that James to me is not going to be he is going to be a guy that can block shots he's going to be a guy that can be a rim runner. Like we've talked about in the past, Kevin, I think like the ideal thing is being like a super Capella, right?

Like that kind of a guy. And, okay, let's say I put regular Capella in next to towns. Do you like the fit with Capella in towns? I don't. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what necessarily the ideal fit next to towns is. But you're spending an awful lot of money on a very high pick. Right. And I don't think that that position is necessarily essential. And I also think you need

somebody tougher next to towns. I would, if I'm them, I go get like Aaron Baines. I get somebody tough next to towns to do all that crap. I don't get the number one pick for Aaron Bance. No. I'm just kidding. But I'm saying that's the kind of guy. I get that kind of guy to go next to. I can get a role player. I don't need, I mean, look, if you're spending that high of a pick, this guy better be awesome. And the guy that next, that needs to play next to towns, that's not a star. That's a role player. You know what I mean? I want a role player at five when I've got a star at power forward. How many times have you seen, I mean, it's been a long, you've got to go back a long time for you to find a team that's got a star power forward and a

star at center. I guess if you want to say it worked with Horford and Millsap, but it's, and I know there are going to be other examples, but it's rare. I want, if I've got Howard and Anthony Davis. Well, you just actually, that is a little bit instructive. They used role players at center with Davis. And I don't think that that is irrational to think, okay, if I'm building with towns, I want somebody that can set screens, rebound. protect the rim. All right. Yeah.

And I'm using the freaking number three pick on that. We talked about this weeks back with the value of Biggs in today's league. We talked about, you know, Zubots and Harold and Tice and all these guys, you know, Robert Williams,

Grant Williams, Dwight Howard Javille McGee. We talked about all those guys, bam out of bio, a mid first round draft pick, lower value, not number one picks. We did talk about that and I'm 100% with you there.

And I also, don't think he's the ideal guy at the first pick for Minnesota. But I also don't think Edwards or Lamello ball are the ideal player. Lamello, some of the issues in terms of sharing the ball with the Angela Russell. In fact, we don't know how good of a shooter he is with Edwards. We don't know how good of a shooter he is. We don't know how good of a decision maker he is. He hasn't yet proven that he can be a consistent defender.

There's shaky options up top for Minnesota. with Wiseman, the fit, everything you said, I 100% agree with you. But I'm in truth. Wiseman, you know who he's perfect for? Perfect for the Warriors. He's perfect for the Warriors. Yes.

That's who he's the perfect fit for. Absolutely. Because he can be just a role guy. Yes. Yes, he can. But with Minnesota, it's not ideal, but I'm intrigued. Would I do it?

I don't think so. I'm doing everything in my power to trade down from that pick. and get more assets. But am I intrigued by the idea of if Wiseman pops and you're the team in the league that has two top bigs, Carl Anthony Towns who can do some freakish things from the perimeter with his ability to create off the dribble? There is more to Towns's game than we've seen.

I think we will see more from Carl Anthony Towns as the Minnesota Timberwolves get better. Am I intrigued by them having a rim runner and Wiseman who can also do a little bit off the dribble for you? if you bring Wiseman in for a workout and he shoots the heck out of it, I'm intrigued because you can really swap and play different ways with those two

bigs. Would I do it? I would trade down. That'd be my number one option, but I'm not sure who's trading up ahead of Golden State or Charlotte when there's still a lack of clarity with what they want. Let's act like in this draft that you're not going to be able to trade down. I take Anthony

Edwards. We don't have to do fit. Is Edwards another Wiggins though? Take the best player. Is he another Wiggins? I don't think he is. I don't think he's another Andrew Wiggins. I mean, I suppose you're asking me that because you think he is. I don't think he is, but I'm just asking, could he be?

I mean, he's 100 pounds bigger and he's got a lot more tenacity to me. Shaky jumper, shaky decision maker, inconsistent defender. Those are a lot of the same things people were talking about with Andrew Wiggins. I'm not sure Wiggins' this problem is his weight. It's his game. No. Andrew Wiggins' problem was also that he is a shrinking violet and he can disappear. Did you watch games?

You might watch games where Anthony Edwards wasn't fantastic, but did you watch games where you just, he just, you didn't even notice him? You didn't even notice Andrew Wiggins in the NCAA tournament. They got their ass beat by Johnny Dawkins' Stanford team, and it was like he wasn't even in the game. I remember that.

just he can just like not be a part of what of of of what's taking place on the court i mean at least edwards even if it wasn't good you at least felt his impact and so that's what i mean you could say the same thing about wiggins in college even despite that that stretch in the tournament he also had some tremendous defensive games throughout the season just like anthony edwards did but edwards also had stretches in which he just disappeared in the defensive end of the floor where the situations where he would run up the floor, you know, run hard after loose balls were just gone. And the consistency aspect, look,

you're talking to someone who has Edwards number two on his board. I really like him as a prospect. But I'm just saying I'm intrigued about the idea of going with two bigs. I'm just intrigued by it. Would I do it? I don't think so. My number one option is to trade down or out. But I'm intrigued and I think there's some logic to it.

If you're Minnesota and if you feel Wiseman has a chance to pop. And by the way, for Minnesota, there's an aspect here of they need to hit the pick. Whether Wiseman is a great player or the perfect fit or not, I feel pretty confident in saying that Wiseman is at least going to be a quality player with his athleticism and his length to be an impactful player on defense and with his rim running ability on offense. He has a foundation to be a quality rotation player. some of the other guys have a lot to work on to contribute to winning.

I would say from and I don't have massively strong opinion, certainly at this point, especially with the way that we didn't get to see conference tournaments. We didn't get to see the NCAA tournament. And so this is a different year, NBA draft wise and other years. But I will tell you that when I talk to NBA people, I mean, Edwards and Ball are pretty well at the top of, I don't know. That's true. Everybody that I have talked.

I'm saying of everybody I've talked to. I mean, in terms of like what they expect or their own personal boards, because personal boards is everywhere. It's all over the place. Oh, of course. Personal boards.

I'm saying in the end, those, I think if, I think there's a lot of people that if those aren't the top two picks, they will be surprised. I don't know. I've, I hear a lot of mixed stuff out there.

I think, I think what's indicative of the fact that people don't know is the fact, is the fact that everybody says, oh, it's going to be Lamello and Edwards and Wiseman in the top three. But everybody says, I don't have in my top five. I have Wiseman ranked 10th.

I have Lamello rank 9. I mean, it's everywhere with whoever you talk about. So why wouldn't that be the case with one, two, three? Why should we assume that that's going to be the top three for sure? There could be surprises this year. There could be surprises. I guess we'll see. We will see.

I'm excited. You know what? Nothing would surprise me, including seeing those three guys going to top three. I think that will be the top three is going to be the top three. We'll see. I will be surprised if somebody breaks into that top three. I'll tell you what.

One last thing on the draft. We, for the past six months, I feel like so little has changed in terms of like the so-called consensus, so-called trade rumors or teams that might love a guy. We haven't heard a peep about that. But I would expect over the next three to four weeks ahead of the draft, we're going to get that all really, really in a condensed amount of time. All the typical draft rumors we hear over the couple months between the combine and the draft itself. We're going to get that over the next couple weeks. Let me tell you this.

You know who's worked out in Memphis during all this stuff? Oddly. You know who's been here? R.J. Hampton. they tell me he is awesome I'm like okay I mean I don't I've just

the people that have worked out with him tell me that Hampton is awesome and I'm like okay I mean because I saw him I saw him briefly on that New Zealand team they came and played a preseason game with the Grizzlies

and you remember I told you I need to see this kid in four months because it looked like an 18 year old playing in his first game with adults you know I don't I don't know you could tell he's got some smooth stuff to him. But evidently, I guess after that time that he played over there, and then he has come back. And then he was originally going to go to Memphis to play for Penny Hardaway. And he came

here during the quarantine and worked out with Mike Miller who left the Memphis staff. And he, I guess they had developed a relationship prior to. So he had worked with Mike Miller and those guys. But they tell me, Hampton's awesome. I'm like, okay, because he's kind of lower on draft boards, right. He's kind of like back half of the lottery. Back half of the lottery. I have him 21 on my board. I want to have higher. I'm just having a, I'm having a hard time finding a place for him

higher this year with some of the other guys that I feel have more certainty. I'm just telling you what I heard. I mean, I haven't seen the kid either. But I don't know. Again, another one of those guys, people are all over the place with RJ Hampton too. I'm with you. He was a big recruit. He was a big recruit. He was. Clearly did not help himself

by not going to college. What do we got next, Sasha. So this one's from Kyle from New Jersey. He says, big fan of the show. Been listening since day one. Wow. Back then. Thank you, Kyle. Back then, Kevin was the king of blowing it up

and Chris hated the idea. But with the recent struggles of the Sixers, who were the prime example of the Blow It Up and Tank Method, and the success of the Grizzlies who traded away their best players and acquired John Morant, I was wondering if you guys have changed your opinions on blowing it up, or if

still feel the same way. Okay. Number one, and I'm glad this question came in, because now I get to clarify something. People bring this up to me every once in a while, and they'll say, yeah, well, I bet you like tanking now because you got John Morant. The Grizzlies did not get John Morant by tanking.

They got John Morant by absolute lightning strike luck. They won as much. as they possibly could with Avery Bradley and Yonis Valentunis and Dallon Wright and all these guys they had and they won 30-something games so that they could give their pick away to the Boston Celtics. And it wouldn't be as hurtful. So the lower they got, that would be the pick that Boston would get. They would just give that away. they could get on with rebuilding. Instead, while they were supposed to lose that pick and concede it to Boston,

the damn thing came up number two in the draft. It saved the franchise, literally. I don't know if they would have traded Mike Conley, if not. But they would have been so effed you have no idea. That's why they fired everybody. They fired everybody. They did tank. And guess what happens to tanking teams?

they end up with very few of the players left and everybody gets fired. The coach gets fired. The GM gets fired. Everybody gets fired, which happened. And then they got the number two pick in the draft. And now they're set up. They're set up. They're set up for the rest of like the next 10 years.

But that's just because they got lucky, not because they tank. They tanked and they got Jaron Jackson, the year, before, which is an outstanding player. Jaron ain't Jha. Jaws pure luck. And Jaws gonna be a superstar in the league for the next 15 years. And that was

after winning 30-something games. They were supposed to give that pick away. And then, now go look at their roster without Morant if they gave that pick to Boston and tell me if you think they're in a good spot. That would have taken, I don't know how long to build a good team. But I certainly, I'll never forget, the night they got the number two pick,

I walked into the other room and I told my wife, I said, our lives just changed. We just got the bailout of all bailouts because this team would have sucked. This team would have sucked for years, literally years. And who knows what they would have done with Conley? I really don't know. They had already traded Marcosaw, but the Marcosaw deal was a good deal. in an alternate universe somewhere you guys do give up that pick and you have a top pick this year and next year you're tanking again and getting kade cunningham and who knows like who knows

what the alternate universe looks like but i know it looks pretty good for memphis right now and the way they did it is awesome i mean they showed that you can continue trying to win and you know even though they only continued they know we got lucky they got lucky they made a shitty trade for Jeff Green years ago. I know, I know. Because that's the only reason they tried to win. They got lucky and whatever. You know, teams find different paths to winning.

We saw that with Toronto trading Demardo Rosen and getting Kauai Lattered because they remain competitive. We see it happen differently with, we saw the Lakers for years. They were losing. Then LeBron James comes. That's right. I mean, there's so many different ways and paths to winning a championship or just having playoff contenders every year.

My thought, we've talked a little bit about this over the course of the last. year I remember we've talked about it. You said I change on tanking. I don't think I've changed my view on tanking one bit. I've been this way ever since I've been a little kid and I used to tank for draft picks playing Madden. I've been this way ever since I first saw the 60s start the process. I think it's a method when the situation is right.

I think blowing it up is a method when the situation is right. I'm not sure there's a lot of situations. Yeah, but you have changed since they've effed with the odds. And rightfully so. change things. In terms of tanking, yes for damn sure. Now it's not worth it. Tanking is...

You might tank and the pelicans get the friggin' number one thing and they get Zion. And it's like, what the hell? Tanking is not as powerful of a method anymore, but I am still fully all in into the idea of blowing it up. If you're in a situation where you're lost

and there's nowhere to go for you, there's no path to championship contention, I am a full supporter of blowing it up before it's too late. And we may see that in the coming years. Right now, I don't think there's a team that I look at in the league where I'm like, yeah, they should blow it up. There was a lot a couple years ago with Paul George in Indiana. I felt that way with the Marcus Cousins in Sacramento. I felt that way with Jimmy Butler in Chicago, even though maybe should have felt otherwise in seeing him

perform in the finals. I still fully am all in with the idea of blowing it up. But there's just not a team right now that stands out to me that should be blowing up or candy. Let me give you a good one. And this is something that you have brought up in the past. And it's not obviously. a full blow up. But this, it absolutely falls into your, I think this will be a great example of the way you used to think versus how you would think now. I think our show three years ago, you would 100%, I think you even did write it, that they should break up the Lillard McCollum back court.

I don't necessarily don't feel that way. You don't? I just don't know what the trade is that makes sense. You know, like, that's the difference. Should, could they, doesn't make sense to trade CJ McCollum? Yeah, I think it does. But for who? I'm not sure what deal is out there that makes a heck of a lot of sense for Portland.

Because there's just not much out there. So to me, like, yes, you can say blow it up. But this was the situation with Memphis before Gasol and Conley were dealt. It was at the point where their value declined a bit where it was like, this isn't really blowing it up anymore. You're not maximizing a return. Oh, you can get big for McCollum, don't you think? I did. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, who? Like, you need to maximize Damien Lower, so it needs to be another, hey, how about this one, Kevin?

You, you could, you could, you think need Beal. Fill in the blank then. All right, fine, you can't get Beale. Yeah, but, but if Washington trades Beal, they're trying to rebuild. If Portland trades McCollum, they're looking for another quality player. There's a big difference. Yes, you could get a lot from a column if you're getting draft picks and young players. Portland doesn't want that. Portland wants to win now. and try to contend for a championship around Damien Lillard. It's hard to find a star for star trade or great player for great player trade out there that makes them better. That's all I'm saying. Like you could find draft picks. You can find young players. That's no problem.

But they shouldn't do that. Bring me in McCollum idea that makes sense. And I'll, I'd be 100% on board with trading him. Okay. But this is, I'm saying you used to think of it as you wouldn't sit there and go, okay,

If there's a good trade for McCollum, then I'll do it. You used to say, what the hell's the point? I mean, you can go back to read my, I don't want to argue about the way I felt. You can go back and read my article from that year. The NBA draft, NBA blow it up index. I lay it all out there. I would not say trade C.J. McCollum for young players. They have Damien Lillard on their roster.

They have a top 10 player. You got to try to win a championship when you have a top 10 to 15 player on your team. Unless that guy is in the last year of his deal. and you have no hope of adding anything to him. That's the scenario when you trade that player that I am fully still in support of. Right now, that is not a situation that has presented itself in the league.

I can't find a, they might need to blow up Lillard and McCollum column from Kevin O'Connor? Yeah, I have said they should consider trading McCollum. Okay. I said they should consider trading if they can get a significant return. I still stand by that,

But I would not trade but calling for, you know, just a young player or something like that unless it's like a really, really good player that can help you win with Dame. Can we end on something funner, more fun? My elementary school English teacher would get mad at me for saying fun. Not like I paid attention to her. Not like I paid attention to her. Oh, man. I don't even remember her name.

But pay attention to school, kids. You know, by the way, one of the note while we're thinking of another question, the blow it up index, Chris Ryan edited that article that year. And he's like, this is good. This could be something we do every year. The blow it up index 2.0, like the 20, like I did wrote that in 2017. We could do the 2018 edition. When 2018 came, I said to Chris, I'm not sure like there's enough to do this again. And I still don't feel that way now in 2020 that of another blow it up index makes sense.

because that year I went through all 30 teams said which teams should blow it up, which teams can't blow it up, which teams it's too late, which teams could. And I don't think we're in a spot right now in the NBA. Most teams know who they are and they understand who they are.

You know me and you were going to change spots. I actually text Chris Ryan last night and I said, I've got an idea. I want to do the blow it up index. And I said, Kevin doesn't want to do it anymore, but I would,

want to run around with the bomb. I said, Chris Ryan, I don't know if you will. I said, I don't know if you'll edit this. But if he's scared to blow up teams, I'll blow these bitches up. I don't care. And so I'm just going to start. What if we just switch spots? And then you're going to have to talk me.

You're like, Chris, why do you want to blow them up? I'm like, I don't care. I'm just blowing teams up. Who cares? What's a point? What's a point? Seriously, they suck anyway. If the Spurs trade,

Aldridge or they like over to Rosen, is that blowing it up? Because I don't consider that blowing it up. Aldridge is in his late mid-30s right now. Blowing what up? They didn't make playoffs. Exactly. They didn't make the playoffs. No, the whole idea is you got to find some playoffs.

Houston is the next team that I foresee in the future forecasts. We've talked, we just talked about this on the pod, you know, earlier a little bit, a couple of weeks ago. That if things don't go right with this next coach, with Hardin and Westbrook having the opportunity to enter free agency in 2022, maybe there are the next team that it's like, oh, got to get a major return for Hardin. That's where we could end up being in a couple years. But that's a ways away.

I think that's true. You think Daryl's a GM next year? I don't know. I don't know either. I don't know. All right. Well, we've got a lot of mailback questions still to get to, which we'll get to over the coming weeks on Friday episodes.

So keep sending those in. Give them the address. Yeah. Thank you so much everybody for the questions. There is so many good ones, but not enough time today, especially with all the news we got today. That took away mailbag time. But we'll do more for the mailbag next week.

If you want to submit questions for next Friday show, please email us at NBA Mailbag at gmail.com. Sasha and I will look through those and find some of the best ones and answer as many as we can next Friday. Thank you to producer, Sasha. As always, and thanks to all of you for listening to another episode of The Mismatch. And we will talk to you on Tuesday. Thank you.