The Ringer NBA Show - Does Ja Still Rule in Memphis? Plus, the NBA’s Most Underwhelming Teams So Far. | Real Ones

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

The Memphis Grizzlies and Ja Morant seem to be at a crossroads. The disgruntled star was suspended for a game recently following comments he made about the coaching staff and hasn't quite looked like the All-Star he’s been in the past. Logan Murdock and Howard Beck discuss the ongoing clash between Morant and the Grizzlies and what this might lead to. Plus, they touch on other teams who have been disappointing to start the season.Morant's recent comments about not enjoying basketball. Intro (0:00:00) Fan Duel ad break (1:14) Ja Morant's Future in Memphis. (2:16) The disastrous start to the New Orleans Pelicans' season (39:22) The up and down start to the Knicks’ season (40:15) Are the Hawks in trouble without Trae? (43:31) Were the expectations for the Mavericks set too high? (48:09) Mailbag (54:18) Hit the mailbag! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please check out rg-help.com to find out more, or listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Hosts: Logan Murdock and Howard BeckProducers: Victoria Valencia and Clifford AugustinAdditional Production Support: Ben Cruz and Conor Nevins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's good? We're Owens. You know who it is. Logan Murdoch, aka Logie Boo, not the two. We have a great show for you guys today. Me and Howard and Cliff. We talk about the scenario that's going on in Memphis with John Morant, which just has so many layers to it. Jeez, I would love to get into it right now, but we got to go do a show. So we had a fun time talking about that. That went into a Zion discussion. That went into all the underachieving teams. Maybe the Mavericks. Are they really underachieving?

I'm not sure because we kind of just knew who they were going to be. Maybe underachieving for the front office is a better thing to say. The Atlanta Hawks, what are they? Are they underachieving? Are they going to be okay? The Pelicans. We should just stop talking about the Pelicans. I think that they need to just get deregulated and go to the G League for right now.

Just to get back as an organization, figure their stuff out. What else do we talk about? We had a really fun show. Cliff was great. We put Howard on the spot a couple of times with our young millennial, Gen Z jargon. It was a really, really fun show. So tap in, ah, all the bleep.

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underachieved in a minute. And we have mailbag in another minute. But first, let's talk about the biggest news in the NBA right now. Mr. John Morant. Howard, let's just go through the timeline really quickly. He gets drafted number two overall in the 2019 draft. Has a great rookie season, wins rookie the year. Then has a, leads the next season, leads the Memphis Grizzly's to a playoff berth after a great plan showing, including beating the Golden State Warriors, surprisingly, beating Steph and Jremond. And then 2022,

Memphis is showing something, right? It gets them to the second round, loses to the Warriors, but it gets an extension. Things are looking up, right? We're thinking if this is like the, the reincarnation of the 2010s OKC team, where they're just incrementally becoming a contender. 2023 doesn't really work out so well.

Then off the court issues, STEM, right? He has the gun incident where the IG live incident gets suspended. Then a lawsuit where he may or may not have hit a young child that was in litigation for a while. Then he gets suspended. Then on the court issues, he doesn't get back to the past the first round for the rest of his career up until now. And then it seems like Howard that at a certain point Memphis is kind of souring on on job where they're making decisions that don't really align with what job wants, right? They sources told the athletic a few years ago that they got rid of an assistant that he likes, got rid of coach Jenkins, which was the coach that helped put him on. Then they get a new coach that is not running the offense that he likes to run.

and then we get what happens at the end of last week, which is also interesting because he says, we don't really get a real big reported piece about this. This is a lot of smoke and mirrors, but after the game, Jaws visibly upset, local media asks what happens. He says a lot of times ask the coaching staff, they don't want to play me.

And then he gets suspended one game, and then he comes back, loses again to Cade Cunningham, who looked great last night, who scored, I think, 19 in the fourth quarter, balled out. And they asked after the game, the local media, if he's having his joy, which seems like somebody that was in the Jimmy Butler scrum who asked the same question last year in Miami.

And Jha said the same answer. Jimmy said, which is no. And here we are right now where Jop Morant seemingly is on the end of his extension and doesn't seem like, at least if you read the tea leaves, Memphis doesn't seem too enthusiastic keeping him long term. And this was reported also on the ruins podcast, you know, that sometime last year during the live show

by the guy that I'm about to speak to, that, you know, maybe there's some tea leaves that I might get traded. So I'm saying all of this to say, it's time for your victory left, Howard, father fucking Beck. What do you have to say? No victory lapse. No victory lapse. I would just say, as I texted you yesterday, that, you know, the person in the league who I'd spoken to, who was the reason for my comment at that live show in February, obviously was on to something because what they had told me

at the time was that the offense that they had installed last season. So this goes back to way back to last season for sure in terms of like this, the, the, the, the. the simmering issues, that the offense was not exactly catering to Jha. And it was not something that Jha was particularly thrilled with. And so all the person had said before this thing blew up after I said it out loud was keep an eye on because I had asked about other possible star trades. Keep an eye on J. And, you know, that prompted Zach Climman, the Grizzlies GM to then issue a statement

that later that week after blew up on social media to say like, you know, other teams can fantasize all they want about trying to trade for Jod, but, you know, he's our guy. Famous last words. Flash forward to now. And that same GM, Zach Klyman is the one who just had to suspend Joss for a game for conduct detrimental to the team. And it's clear that Jaws not happy still with the offense

and with coach Tomas Isolo. And, you know, these situations don't generally just calm down on their own, Logan. We've seen a lot of these over the years. If the star player and the coach are not aligned, the team at some point has to pick sides. Suspending jaw game would seem to indicate at this point they are leaning toward the coach. They did fire Taylor Jenkins. That could be read a number of different ways last season.

But they've now put their, they've put their stock, their faith, their direction in Tomas Islow's hands. he's a rookie NBA head coach. But they clearly believe in him. And they knew what they were getting when they decided to promote him at the end of last season and then to keep him. Like they could have gone to Jha if they wanted to still operate in that old school way where you like check in with your franchise players. That's the coach you'd want.

Who would you want to play for? They're not doing that. And this offense does deemphasize all the high pick and roll stuff that Jah has thrived in. This is more of a pass read and roll. react kind of offense where Jah's not involved as much as he's used to being. Jah clearly wants to be the same high usage guy that he's been in his career and doesn't want to adapt to this. So I don't know if this has already reached ahead or if it's going to reach ahead soon, but if you're

watching Jah Morant's body language, if you're listening to things he's saying, if you're listening to how testy he's being with the local media who, you know, I don't feel like I've been particularly aggressive with him over the course of these years, but are simply trying to in New York here. It ain't. It ain't. And they're asking him just the basic questions right now. And even that's getting him set off. So I, Logan, to me, this feels like a situation that's reaching a boiling point. I don't know if that's tomorrow, next week, February, next summer. But I just, I do not think this is one we're going to see resolved anytime soon. I don't think John Morant, however long his career is, is going to finish it in Memphis.

I think that feels safe to say right now. I mean, absolutely. You see them. We forgot to mention that they traded away Desmond Bain, who was a friend of Jaws. They seem to be going into a direction with a lot of young guys that look really good on that roster, right? And Jaron Jackson, Jr. And it seems to be two parallel paths here where it's Jaws path out and it's Memphis's path forward. And let me give you some numbers.

You know this because you're goddamn genius, Howard. But 2021-22 season, which by and large is John Moran's signature season, put him in the MVP race, the Memphis Grizzlies were 20 and 5 without him. The 22, 23 season, the Grizzlies were 11 and 10 without him. The 24, 25 season, they're 18 and 14 without John Moran. the front office sees that and they see all of the antics and they see all of the off-court stuff and they see all of the things that make them say, huh, do we need him as much as we think we do? And then John Morant, on the other hand, who has been, I would say, Zibo's quite there at the top of, like, people that Memphisans love.

Mike Connolly, Tony, Tony Allen. Yeah, Tony Allen, all those guys. All of those guys are probably right there at the top. John Morant also has a real, real big spot in the hearts of Memphis, right? Despite everything that has happened, you go there. They love John Morant. There's John Moran jerseys. He's in the community.

They, despite the fact of what happened or may or not have happened at his home a few years ago, he still has a lot of love in Memphis, right? And he sees, yo, man, I am a pillar of the, this community and organization. I put it on the map on what I got us out of the, you know what's interesting. I deal with this a lot in the Bay Area, right?

When the music scene, close your ears if you don't want to hear this Howard because you know you might not understand, but Cliff and Victoria might understand this, right? For a long time, the Bay Area has been defined by Haifi and the Heifi era. And

the local artists now are trying to get out of that and create their own sound and say, hey, man, I want to be able to show that the bay has a lot of different types of sounds and different things to say. We're trying to get, he was cool, but we're trying to get out of that. I feel like John Morant is a symbol of getting out of the grit and grind era of Memphis sports, right, where that was great, but this is a whole different type of style of play. And I am the face of it. I'm ducking on fools. I'm going up and down. I'm showing a different side of Memphis and how we roll, right?

Even though I'm not front here, I am a native son, an adopted native son, and this is how we roll. So he sees that, and there's going to eventually be a class, right? And you saw the beginnings of that. And it's really unfortunate that it's gone to this point because it seemed like such a nice marriage, right, between these guys. I remember when he first came on the scene, and this was in the shadow of the backdrop of player empowerment movement, right?

Towards the end, right? Where we have John Morant, we have Luca Dajit's, and somebody we're going to talk about a little later, Zaire Williamson, where it's like, oh, man, if this thing works, these guys can be pillars in these organizations for the entirety of their careers. And I think it's just sad, right, when you see it come to this.

Because a guy of Jean Morant's superstar status and who he is in the Memphis community, it's sad that it's gone like this, but you could see both sides, Howard, of why this is probably going to end at some point. Because Memphis, no matter what they say, and this is something that we said last year or last season when this was going down,

when their GM came out and said, you could say what you want to say about the social media post, we're not trading job. You see somebody's words and then you see their actions. Memphis Grizzly's actions from the time that you reported that to even a little bit before, showed that they were a little tired of the Jai Moran experience. We're going to say the right things, but we're going to do the other things.

And Jaya is seeing that and it pisses him off. And this is where we are right now, this impasse, but it really looks like Memphis is working as if they are working for a future without John the next few seasons. They didn't extend him this summer, Logan. They extended Jaron Jackson Jr. Which I thought was kind of like, I don't, I don't. don't know. They gave them max. I'm like, but anyways. I know. I'm a little uncomfortable with it. But still, like he's, you know, this is just the way that works in the NBA. You know, your best players, even if you think they're not a max guy, you got to kind of max them and, and, you know, show them

the loyalty and the love. But like, they signed JJJ to a max extension. They did not sign Jha to an extension. And then Zach Climond on Media Day reiterated some of the kind of thoughts that I think he had said at the end of last season, which was basically like, you know, we got to, you know, get this thing back on track and, like, this is a big year for Jha and all these things. Like, it was very clearly, they're putting a lot of the onus on Jha to, to show them. And what Jaws shown them so far is being disengaged, sulking on the court, getting into a, you know, some sort of post game back and forth with the coach in which the coach kind of called him out. And then, you know, he says what he says to the media. He gets suspended. He comes back and I don't, like, there were moments last night.

where I thought he was a little bit more engaged. But like, there was some some just ridiculous defensive turns by him where he would just completely disengaged. And, you know, the usual assortment of bad threes that he just cannot make. And he just doesn't like the best of John, the reason he is so popular in Memphis in part was so, he was just so electrifying. Like, remember like the chase down block from a few years ago, like there's, you know, obviously all the attacking of the basket, now it just feels like he's driving into traffic and just getting stuffed and trying to like pull off impossible shots.

I don't know if he's lost a step. If it's just, you know, the beating that he takes, he's missed a ton of games due to injury. By the way, that's a big part of this too. And why Memphis is, I think, wise and right not to fully commit to him with an extension. Joss played in 313 out of a possible 481 games so far in his career. He's played in 65% of all games since he came to the league. The last three seasons, 65 out of 172. That's 38%. That's brutal. He's been suspended for 34 games total.

Eight games in spring of 2023 with the first gun incident. Another 25 games later to start the next season because of the second gun incident. and then the one suspension a couple days ago. Like, he's got two more years on his deal after this season at 42 and 45 million. I don't even know. I started to do the exercise. We can get into if you want. I started to get to look at this.

Like, if you were on to trade him, how many teams even would want or need John Moran at this point? At least one. You only need one. Like, that's the whole, that's the great NBA cliche. It only takes one, right? Whether that's giving somebody an outlandish contract, whether it's trading for a troubled player, it only takes one, right? By the way, I had an exchange with a coach in the league this morning. We were texting about John, and he says, what do you think happens?

And I said, it feels to me like they hit a breaking point. It's time for a trade. And he says, if they trade him, they're all getting fired. To which I said, if they keep him and they stay on the course they're on, they're all getting fired anyway, because this is a team going seemingly nowhere at the moment. Like they don't, you know, they took a step back intentionally by trading Desmond Bain. And they've got some good young players. This team drafts really well. But this is not a contender. This is not a high playoff team. This is just a team that's trying to find its way. If they keep losing, they're all going to get fired anyway. So, you know, I get the, if they trade them, they get fired because of the popularity and they need to put butts in seats.

But look around the league. There are 14 teams I eliminated right off the top who just don't need a point guard. And then there's a group of unlikely teams. Like Chicago's got Josh Giddy running the offense. Do they really want John Morant and the baggage that comes with him? Milwaukee just needs talent, period. But between having Janus running the offense and their cap situation, I don't think they're likely. Orlando, cap issues and fit issues. Boston cap issues and fit issues.

And he wouldn't make sense next to Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. When Tatum's back, Rockets need a point guard. But again, cap issues, fit issues. Minnesota, cap issues and fit issues. So those are the unlikely teams. There's 14 others that already have a point card. So at least nine teams maybe, maybe that would trade for Jai. You want to hear them?

All right, let's go. They better be the one that we're both thinking about. You can save that one for last. No, they're on the list. They're definitely on the list. All right, Miami is just always looking for talent. They think they can rehab anybody, right? They can fix anybody.

I can see Miami. Toronto doesn't feel right given who they've got right now, but Toronto's another team is just like, they're just like throwing stuff at the wall and trying to figure out what sticks. And they don't really have a strong direction, I don't think. I don't think they're likely, but I'll put them on the list. Washington and Brooklyn and Utah, three tanking teams that are just trying to find a direction. I think they'd all rather rebuild young and find somebody in the draft to build around than go get a mid, mid career veteran who was once a top 10 point guard and probably isn't anymore. So I don't think they're likely, but you've got to put the tanking teams in there. Portland and Phoenix, teams that have just recently taken massive steps backwards and are trying to figure it out.

But like, Jah next to book, eh, jaw in Portland. I think they'd rather just figure out if Scoot Henderson can run this thing. But like, you have to put them in the discussion. And then there's these two, one of which was the one you're alluding to, I'm sure. Sacramento and New Orleans. you were thinking kings right I was thinking kings I don't think kings will do anything I don't think the New Orleans pelicans would do it though

because they already have a problem with their own like they already got Zion but also but also they fucking traded away their first round pick right two phone Dumars is like literally do anything that's my man hard on Joe I love Joe

it's it's hard to see what's happened in New Orleans because Dumars is a great dude and I've known him a long time but like the pelicans You know what's crazy? We'll talk about the Pelicans later in the show, but like we try to give, there's people that try to give Del DuBarr's the benefit of the doubt,

and then the first move he makes is like literally could sink the franchise. It's hard, man. It's hard. So the Pelicans, it's really unlikely, right? Because Zion is enough of his own mess, and they've got their own challenges. And those guys, of course, drafted back to back, you know, both of them were supposed to be new faces of the league and all this stuff.

And it's just been a total disappointment for both. So no, the Pelicans, it's probably too much to ask them to take this on. They were just another team that, like, have a need at the position, have a need to just do something. But yeah, it's the Kings more than any of these teams I've listed, right? Like, no clear direction. Marriage made in something. It's just the bear. I don't know if it's made it.

It's definitely not made in heaven, but maybe marriage made in purgatory. But here's the thing, though, Logan, like I just listed like the nine teams that I think were at least possible, right? But even as I'm saying that, I'm caveating the hell out of it. most of them, right? Like, I don't think Toronto, Washington, Brooklyn, Portland, Phoenix, Utah. I don't think those are all teams. They're possible, but not likely. I think it's more like it's, and Pelicans are likely too. It really comes down to like the kings who will try anything and are just desperate to do anything and have big names. They're just, they're always starstruck. They'll do anything. They're like the Knicks were in the early 2000s. And then there's Miami because-

they got Russell Westbrook, and I don't know why they got him. I don't know why. I have no idea what. By the way, Russell Westbrook video tribute in Denver last night. Stop it. Please. I know the league doesn't like making new rules. Can we just have a rule that if you did, you need at least two years with a franchise to get a tribute video or if you were part of like a championship team in your one year, fine. Make an exception to the one year rule. Nobody should get a tribute video with one season, especially after that season when they said, you know what? That was okay, but we're moving in another direction now. And now you give them a tribute video? What do we do? I still don't know. why he declined that player option, bro. I still don't understand. But let's put it back to the

Kings, though. The Kings will literally do anything to be relevant. And by the Kings, I mean, Vivek Rodadee will literally do anything to get into a new cycle. Yeah. And Jha feels like a very king's move. I could see that one. And the only reason I could see Miami is, yeah, they moved on from Jimmy Butler. They're in this kind of, you know, mid, you know, mid tier zone where like, they're really good with Bam, Tyler Hero will come back. Like, they've got some good pieces, but they don't have that engine right now. And Jock could potentially be that. And again, the heat under Riley think they can fix anybody.

They will be the team that gets this guy that gets the best out of him. And to their credit, like Jimmy Butler had a bit of a checker reputation, not the same, but he had his own issues coming in. And they had a pretty nice run with him until they didn't. I mean, Terry Rozier, Dionne Waiters. They try. Hey, Dion Waiters had a Dion Waiters game because Go to State. Like, Hassan White Side.

Hassan White Side. Like, yo, man. You know, you over here trying to just say Diana Raw, say some of the Supremes too, okay? Give some of the album cuts as well, please. Come on, Beck. So I just, if the Grizzlies decide it's time to move on, having already parted with Desmond Bain, having already decided to take a step backward to try to go forward. And if it looks like there's a breaking point here, I don't know. I don't know where the out is exactly.

And I don't know how much you're getting back. That's the other thing. Even if you can find a landing spot for Jha and a trade, I just don't know how much you're getting back because his value is so degraded from where it was a couple of years ago when he was a rising star in this league. He's not, you know, he'll sell tickets. I don't know how many games he's winning you.

What the other thing is this, though, right? Like wherever he goes is going to want to get paid. And I think in this new hard cap, it's going to be harder for these reclamation projects or to justify these reclamation projects. If you're trying, you either got to go all in with your max players or you have to draft well and hope that they turn into a contender. It's just really, really hard in this new ecosystem to justify either that or you're going to start seeing the Jama Rants who do command these kind of salaries but don't have this

type of output have to take a significant pay cut. if it doesn't work out, right? Like, that's, that's really what it is going to be. And no matter where he goes, he's going to either have to take a pay cut or the team's going to have to just swallow it, just be like, hey, I guess we're paying you. And the Sacramento Kings are willing to do both. They're willing to sacrifice the salary and the pigs just to be relevant.

Yo, I think he's going to sack. I think I just taught myself with him go to the sack. It feels inevitable, doesn't it? Right. It just does, man. Like, anytime you have a battered star or a star, or a star that needs a, that needs, has a big contract that you need to take on and you don't know where he's going to be, Sacks probably your, your, your, your, your, they're, they're,

they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're repository for everybody else's bad contracts. They're the Raiders since I, since I was eight years old. You know, every, every, every league needs at least one franchise is just willing to take on anybody and be like the, the, the, the salary dispensary. You know, it's funny, bro, like, and we haven't shitted on the Kings in a while, but let's just do it really quickly before we get to clip. Everybody thought that, and I was in fact with this happen,

everybody thought when the Maloof brothers sold the team, this was a new lease on life, this was going to be a whole different regime, they're going to get a downtown arena. This is going to be great. This is going to be awesome. And this is the same old kings with a better arena. By the way, as a caveat, I think has the best arena in Northern California.

just say. I've said this. Great cookies there. Great cookies. A call from Raymond Ritter in any minute now. It's fine. I've told that to his face. And he just, you know, it wasn't, it was, it was crazy because our guy just loves to just promote everything.

And when you say something bad, it's like, ah, let me say something positive. So anyways, shout out to, shout out to Golden One Arena. I wish your team actually matched the energy of, uh, your arena. But how long do you think that this, okay, let's, I'm going to just throw this before we get to Cliff prediction time from Howard Beck. Do you, and I'm, you might get aggregated for this. So just, you know, choose your words wisely.

Do you think this, this impasse? Because you spoke about the Kings. I could see them totally like doing a deadline deal and just like talking themselves into this. Does this trade happen at the trade deadline or does it push to the, to the summer? do you think? Ordinarily, I would say, because in-season trades are hard, in-season trades with superstars on max deals, and again, I use a superstar term loosely in this case, stars on max deals, is hard to trade in season, especially. It's always easier in the summer when there's cap room to work with, and you can do multi-team trades, and it's just easier in June,

July. But it, Logan, it just feels like this thing is too tense. I don't see how this resolves. I don't like, Jaws demeanor last night in the game and especially in the locker room and the press, you know, gaggle afterward, he just seems like a guy who's had it with everything and everybody. And given his demeanor and just the way we've seen him operated over the last few years, I don't see how that just ends happily, how they just settle into, oh, they'll start winning some games and everything will be fine. Like, I don't see it. I'm looking at their upcoming schedule.

They got the rockets at home. home stand, very tough homestand. Then Dallas who's struggling, but then Oklahoma, and then road trip out here in New York at Boston, at Cleveland, at San Antonio. Like, they're just, this thing's going to get worse probably before it gets better in terms of the win-loss record, and that's only going to exacerbate everything. It's going to make him that much more pissed off that he doesn't have the offense that he wants.

So, yeah, I'm going to say he gets dealt by the trade deadline. Like, it feels that way. That's not so much a prediction as just like a gut. instinct. Like, I just don't, this feels untenable. This feels like it's reaching or fast approaching a breaking point. And so this is a rare case where I think it's more likely that he gets traded by the deadline than waiting for the offseason. Okay, so counterpoint to what you were saying earlier about, and I don't, like, I believe your sources when they tell you. And you could make an argument that city of Memphis could revolt against a John Moran trade. But just plain devil's

advocate here. If they do that and they lose and they just send a free fall right now, like, I think you can sell this trade to your community, bro. I think you can totally do it and be like, hey, this is the stats from where when Jaws out of the lineup versus in the lineup, and we are going to build a contender and a winner. That is our mission. I think you can buy yourself a few times for that. Like, I think this front office has proven that,

that they can build a suitable team and find diamonds in the rough. It just depends on what you get back too, right? Like a Jaws trade is, you know, the sting of it for the fans is mitigated. by what you get back. If it's a bunch of draft picks, they can be like, well, yay, I guess, but I'm not excited about draft picks until they become somebody.

So that's hard. And if it's, you know, you think about like potential Kings deals, like, I don't think Zach Levine is, is sating the Grizzlies fans. DeMarter Rosen. I don't, I don't think a subonous, uh, Jaron Jackson Jr. front court makes much sense,

especially when you've got, you know, eating all these guys with they ever get healthy. Um, so it's like, you know, I don't know, even if like you extract, you know, prized asset Kegan Murray, who they decided to extend at a massive number this summer. Like, I just don't, like, those things are not going to make Grizzlies fans happy. So it, but here's the thing.

That's the new NBA, oh, Howard. That's the new NBA, bro. You can't trade for other stars or other high contracts. I mean, you kind of have to, would have to be an expiring. You have to build towards a future if you're going to trade a guy like John Moran. Yeah, I just, you start with the names. Especially just new NBA. Yeah, but you start with the names that just throughout because of the fact you do have to

match salaries, right? So first you got to figure that out. And it's not like the Kings have like some hot young prospect you can try to pry loose, right? It's going to be difficult. But I also feel like this thing is untenable. And as I say, there's no good path here. You keep him, I don't think things are going to go real well and everybody's going to get fired anyway. You trade him, you know, as the coach who was texting with me this morning, said they're going to get fired.

But like, if you do it, you're doing it with the ownership's blessing, right? You're not trading him without their blessing in the first place. and then you're just hoping for the best. Hey, man. I have no pity for somebody that gets fired to the NBA. Check still clearing, you get to go to the beach. With that, no, let's take a quick break. We're going to get to Cliff, who's mad at me,

and then talk underachieving teams. And we are back talking underachieving teams and mailbagging a few. Cliff, what's going on, buddy? How's Philly right now? You cold, this break? What's going on? Hey, look, we got the battle at Eastern Conference Titans tonight,

Howard Beck wasn't as excited as I am as the Sixers face off against the Chicago Bulls. Jared McCain's return is likely tonight as well. Howard, how are we feeling about that matcher real quick? I'm going to be watching election returns tonight. Do you guys realize Election Day? It is. Go vote if you haven't voted. Go on. We used to be a proper league in the NBA with all the fucking jargon talking about, oh, man, you know, BLM, we're about people's rights. You know, we're going to take voting day off to all right. I texted. I texted this to Logan yesterday. You guys realized the last time the NBA had games.

We have six games tonight. The last time the NBA had games on election night was in 2021. Because in the wake of Black Lives Matter and everything else that went on in 2020, 21 and the Social Justice Coalition that the League formed, they said, we're going to take election day off and focus on our civic duty and we'll promote elections. We use arenas for elections as polling sites and all this. No games on Election Day in 2022, 23. or 24, but we have games tonight. I did reach out to the league because I was curious. Did you abandon

this policy? No. If anybody's wondering, the NBA remains firmly committed to elections and voting and democracy, apparently. The policy now is they've backed off a little. So they're not going to play games on election day during years of midterms or presidential elections. But if it's not midterms or presidential elections, they're going to do what they're doing today, which is have games. Put on that boat shirt. Put on that boat pregame warm up. I got one of those in the drawer. That's a nice workout shirt. But the league prefers, they're saying now to focus on the bigger elections. And it's like, listen, they have new TV partners. NBC slash Peacock has games tonight.

So I'm sure that played a role in this. Also, every time you take a day off, like where you have a game of zero or a day of zero games, that means somewhere else you got to make up for it with back to back. and teams hate back to backs. So anyway, the league is still firmly pro-democracy, I am told, reliably by league sources. Fist up, brother, fist up. My brother. Keep your third eye open. Yeah, we only need democracy in midterm and presidential years. The rest of those elections are going to admire.

Everybody go out and vote, by the way, before you watch the games tonight. Yeah, go on vote, go on vote. Anyways, let's get back to basketball. You didn't even get, actually you didn't give me a little take with the Sixers of Bulls yet. I need to hear some Howard something. He ain't got one.

No, listen, like, the Bulls have surprised me. The Sixers have not. Because as you guys know, I was on Sixers might actually be OK Island all summer long and through the preseason and you guys mocked me roundly and everybody might.

It's fine. Cliff was with you though. Clip was with you. Cliff was the Sixer fan. He wasn't even with it. He was like, man, don't get my hopes up just to like to have them.

fucking crushed again. Hey, look, man, I'm back on a wagon. I'm back on a wagon. Dude, oh, I got to tell you. So I went to a net Sixers on Sunday here in Brooklyn. And I'll leave him in a house. Oh, you find an H-Cope, dunk? I left before the game. You know my, you know my routine. I go in, I make the rounds. Shout on Sam Amy. I had to go talk to people. So I met a Sixer fan who's a filmmaker. I don't know if he'd want me to to name Drop, so I'll leave him out. But like, he had a T-shirt. There's somebody in Philly who makes these. Cliff, you may be aware of these. So it's a t-shirt that is basically, it's in Sixers colors and everything else. It's a close-up of a knee, like naming all the tendons in the

knee. I've seen that, yeah, no, I definitely seen that before, yeah. That's crazy. Sixer fans are warped, man. Like, you guys are scarred, deeply scarred. I'm excited. I know that, like, when the Sixers are doing good, when you guys actually bring up the Sixers in November. So shout out to. It really special. Shout out. Listen, M. B's coming along. He's looking better each game. Maxine and Edgecombe look awesome. Jared McCain, I think, is, as McCain making his debut tonight? He's making his debut tonight. So there we go.

Everything's looking up. Yeah, Tim Bontas reported the other night that McCain is making his debut tonight. Six or Chicago. Six, four in the east. Sixth seven, maybe. Here we go. Six seven. That should have been VJ's number six, seven.

Anyways, let's get to the first issue at hand here when it comes to teams that are underachieving besides the Memphis Grizzlies. We have Zion and the Pelicans. However, Howard already, noted that Zion really isn't the issue over there. However, he is on track for his lowest field group percentage in his career by a lot at 48%. But the Pelicans are also just kind of not good at all. Joe Dumars has set them back a little bit this offseason.

They are winless still. They have the worst point differential in the NBA. They have the worst net rating in the NBA. They don't have their pick next season. I mean, New Orleans. What do we got? I have a counterquestion that really quickly just to add on that for Howard, just to make his fucking head just explode on this of this TV.

Who would you rather trade for it if you had to pick Zion or Jop? Shit. Oh my God. It's almost like who do you want to place your fate in the hands of? Like, who? Um, man, I don't know. I don't have a ready answer for that. I could talk myself.

Back, I'll say this. Zion has a season that he played 70 games in. There is, there is that. John Moran has only played six, seven games in a season at most. I don't trust either one. How many? How many? How many?

Six seven. Six, seven. Okay. Stop it. Stop it, young ins with your six sevens. That, that thing has worn itself out so quickly, by the way. Like, as soon as people of my fucking generation are like making jokes about it or doing it to torture their kids, then it's already over. It's over.

on to something else, four or five. So what's your pick? Who would you pick? Oh. I wouldn't. I would opt out. I would quit and join a monastery. I think I would pick, I think I would pick, weirdly enough.

I think I'll pick Zion still. Really? Because I would lean jaw. Then the reason I would lean jaw. I would lean jaw just because of playmaking. And I know there's a point Zion in there somewhere. And then there's been moments where it's like you could do a lot with the ball in his hands. but I just playmaking and just the initiation of your offense is so important these days.

And Jah is not a modern point guard. He doesn't shoot threes well. But I think, I don't know. You know what? No, actually, forget it. I don't want a point guard who can't shoot threes and doesn't defend. Fine, I'll take a Zion. The reason why I'll take his eye on is because, like, you know, no matter.

Like, it's, you're getting shit or shit, right? Like, just in terms of all the baggage and everything that will be expected. but you can play Zion in a pick and roll. There's a lot more things you can do with them. But the most important thing is his contract. You can get up off him at any point, right? If you're taking on job, you have to probably commit to some sort of extension.

Like, that's probably what you're buying to. They're on the same deal, by the way. Their numbers are almost identical. They're both got this year plus two more left at similar numbers. But I agree, Logan. I think that if you're the next team to get Zion and he doesn't work out, you might still be able to move him one more time. Jaws next stop, if it goes badly, it's going to be really hard.

But look, you're taking your life in your hands at this point with either one. Hey, Utah. Utah. Go get Zion, man. Get him on some NBA young boy stuff. Just put him in a mansion, you know. Just tell him to chill out. Rehabilitate everything.

He'll average. He'll be all right and just win 35 games and the tape will still be on. But, you know, like, Utah. Right there. figure it out. We didn't talk anything about the Pelicans, by the way, which is probably a good thing, because I watched them the other night and, who, who. I don't even think there's anything really to say, right?

Like, there's certain teams where it's like, you analyze, like, all right, this is going wrong, that's going wrong, or this guy's been hurt. Like, the Pelicans, it's just, it's everything. It's everything. It's talent. It's even the arena. You're blaming this on Smoothie King now?

I like Smoothie King. Yeah, yeah. You can enjoy smoothie king smoothies. You don't have to be Louisiana to enjoy smoothie king smoothies. I was in Georgia had a great smoothie king smoothie. You know what I mean? There's one on the riverwalk way, way back in the day in San Antonio. I don't know if it's still there.

I think that was my first smoothie king. Yeah, it's solid. You always remember your first smoothie king. Anyways, next question, man. Sorry, let's not. We're just off the rails. I'm sorry. Let's get to Howard's backyard in the New York Knicks.

Now, the Knicks have started to season four and three. they're currently six in the Eastern Conference right now. 11th in that rating. You know, they did play the Bulls back, or not back to back, but they played them two times last week. They won one, split, and they have won their last two games. However, Logan views the Knicks as a disappointment so far. Howard, do you view it the same?

The Knicks are four and three. Do you know what they were through seven games last season, without looking it up? Four and three. Three and four. This is an improvement. This is an improvement. Oh, shit.

I mean, if there are disappointments, it's because they did come a little slow out of the gates and everybody thought that they and the Cavs were the two top teams in the East. They did give the Bulls their first loss for whatever that's worth. Man, it's a Mike Brown's installed a brand new offense. That's going to take time. I think there are some good signs, including the fact that McHale Bridges is doing a lot more initiating. So they are mixing things up a little, which I think was kind of the point of the exercise. But I think they're all just kind of adjusting Brown still figuring out his rotations. I don't feel like the Knicks are, if they're underwhelming, it's not by a lot.

Yeah, and I think that, like, largely their struggles are a bit out of Mike Brown's control. At least some of it are, right? Like, Carl Towns, who had a great game last night, it was balling, I'll beat against the Wizards. But, like, seems to be it. Asterisks. Okay, I'm just saying, it seemed like he got a swagger right.

It's like, you know, me and Cliff play football. It's like, we always use a call it the highlight tape game when you play against a trash team and you're just trying to get your highlights up to get recruited. That's more of like what this game was for him. But like the defense is about the same as it was last year, right? And that's a personnel thing, right?

Like when you have, when your best players don't play defense, it's hard to, it's similar to his, to Mike Brown's problem in Sacramento. Like you just did not have the personnel to play the type of defense that you want the offensive. They're like 17th in offense. Their bench is, is it great right now?

They got a lot of stuff to figure out. But they're playing everybody. Also, like, Josh Hart has, like, nerve problems in his hand or his wrist or something. Mitchell Robinson's only played two games because he's Mitchell Robinson who never plays. And the Knicks keep, like, obfuscating his injuries constantly left and right, despite the fact that we are now in an era where there are gambling scandals and the league is trying to get everybody to be more upfront and transparent with their injury reporting, and the Knicks are still doing Knicks things.

Go figure. Beck was trying to get that off because Beck texted me that and I was like, I know he's going to work this way into the pot. I mean, you put the Knicks on the agenda.

I didn't. Okay. I just said we should probably address the fact that the Knicks have been, like to the point where the New York Post had like, I think a back page or multiple back pages about like the fact that the Knicks

have been really vague about Mitchell Robinson's health this whole time. If you got the New York Post on your ass, this is, you know, shout to homie though, Stefan Bondi. He's tight.

He was good. Yes. He was nice at Summer League. Anyway, Cliff, that's all we got. It's all we got. Sorry, I thought we had more. That's all we got. Let's get down to Atlanta.

High Lanna, home of Big Veev. Rest and peace, follies. Anyways, the Atlanta Hawks, three and four on the season. Looks like they lost Tray Young for about a month here. They had a pretty good off season. Everybody was hype around the Hawks saying top four, top five, and east currently there are playing team.

Sitting at ninth in the Eastern Conference right now. Howard, how's it? Atlanta's outlook currently as the team will be well after star Trey Young for a little bit of period of time. What's the outlook for the Hawks? What should they do? How are the young guys playing? How do you think this will pan out for the Hawks?

I'm worried about them. Like Dyson Daniels is a great player, but I don't want him running my offense. And there were times, I think it was last night's game where I'm watching. And like, there was just way too much Dyson and Daniels dribbling the ball. They need Trey Young. and they're going to be without him for about a month here. I don't know where else. Like, they have guys who can initiate the offense, right?

They're guys who can handle the ball. You know, Daniels, Jalen Johnson, Reis-Shae a little bit. But they need a point guard. They really do. And they did have a great offseason picking up Nikkela, Alexander Walker and Forzingis. And I like the assortment of players. I think they needed some time to kind of resettle their identity after adding these guys. and Jalen Johnson coming back from injury.

Like, there was just an adjustment that was going to have to happen anyway, and now they lose Trey. And this was a big year for Trey Young. He's a free agent next summer. And a big year for the Hawks trying to figure out it, you know, as with the Grizzlies and Jha, like different situations. But like these are teams where you've got a clear franchise star, who you've had mixed results with,

and you're trying to get some clarity. And now you're without Trey for a month. And they're all, yeah, they were struggling anyway. I haven't looked at the schedule for them right off the back. here, but I don't think it's going to go well without him for the next month. And that puts a lot of pressure then on him to try to pull this out when he gets back. I just, I don't, I don't like the way this is looking for them right now. Yeah, I mean, similar to Memphis, it seems like a two-track plan right now for Atlanta, right? Especially when they got that Pelicans pick, which could be the

number one pick in the draft. Dude. Right. So say that becomes the number one picking a draft. And also, Trey has a player option next year, $48 million. So, like, if he, there's a world where he picks that up, right? And maybe he does get traded. Maybe he does get traded because of that as an expiring at some point. But, like, his time in Atlanta may not be over. That being said, this was, as you said, this was a season where the Hawks, they have a new front office who's doing, who did, had a really good offense. I mean, excuse me, a good off season.

Wow. But it seemed like when they were making these deals like, okay, we're going to go all in on Trey for one last year and then we'll see what happens, right? Because Porzingis is also on expiring as well, right? And so it's not the worst thing if they don't have a good season this year, right? Then they could be the Pelicans, you know? Have a bad year. And then shit not work out and not have any picks and not have any means to build. This seemed like, hey, we're going to put all our ships in on Trey one last.

time. He's been in trade rumors all these last few years. We'll see what happens. If it doesn't work out, it's all fair. I think ever since that trade, then draft night, that's kind of been the attitude. And so I think for this season, it will be underwhelming, but I don't think it's the worst thing in the world for it to be underwhelming if I'm an Atlanta Hawks fan. I think they'll be fine. I think I agree because of the fact that they've got some just really good young players. And I think like this is, it's not like this is an all or nothing season for them, but I think to the extent that you want to get clarity about whether this is the right set of players around Trey or whether Trey is the right hub for that set of players, like that part of it,

I think is really important. Because they're at a decision point where is, you know, are we continuing for the next, you know, four to five years with Trey Young on another contract? Or do we think it's time to move in another direction? And I think you want as many games as possible with this group as constructed, as reconstructed to figure that out. Sure. Atlanta's cool, though. Cliff, when you're going back to Atlanta, bro? You got the, you back on Pete Street soon?

One of the million and a half Pete Street streets? I will not be back in Atlanta any times. You know who will. Shout out VV. R.P. Follies. Anyways, let's get to this final disappointing team here. The Dallas Mavericks started the season out two and five. Cooper Flag averaging 13 and 6.

Obviously, Logan has noted he's played a lot of point guard, but DeAngel Russell's played a lot more point guard as well for the Dallas Mavericks. They're still struggling. They don't have Kyrie Irving. Anthony Davis looks like he's going to be missing a little bit of time here. I'm not sure when his return will likely be. However, the schedule is favorable in the next couple games. I believe they do have the Wizards coming up. I believe they do have a game versus the Pelicans who are only the other worst team in the Western Conference to them.

So Dallas early on struggles. Coup struggling a little bit. Anthony Davis has been hit with the injury bug right now. Kyrie, there's no timetable on his return right now. The Andrew Russell's running their point guard position, which is always a fun thing to watch. Logan, what's up with the Mazz, man? What are we doing here with the Dallas Mavericks?

I mean, we talk about Cooper Flag and the point guard situation, but you brought up somebody that really needs a little bit more blame for this season, and that is Anthony Davis, who came into camp, a little overweight, little out of shape, and seemingly out of nowhere, ha, ha, ha, got injured, right? So this was going, if they were going to manage the front office expectations and do what the front office Nico thought they were going to do, Anthony Davis, the crown jewel of the Luca Donsas trade for the Dallas Mavericks,

by the way, Nico Harris had said, oh, we're going to put our chips behind Anthony Davis because we want more defense. You would think that Anthony Davis would be a little bit more rejuvenated and ball out and cover a lot of the holes that the Mavericks seemingly have. That has not happened. And that is very disappointing. And I don't know where Anthony Davis kind of goes from this. He's definitely had an impasse in his career right now.

He's 32 years old, which is like Howard's age for Bigman. And that is tough. you add the fact that, you know, Cooper Flagg is struggling, and you have Clay Thompson, who a lot of people had expectations on Clay being really good for this team. And also he committed to the Mavericks. That was a total different iteration of what the current Mavericks are. But I think the Mavericks are highlighting a lot of his struggles that he had in his later years at Golden State that I think a lot of the league just kind of turned a blind eye to when he got that contract and it's it's just not good so what you should do if you're going to go all in on

cooper flag going on all in on cooper flag like it's it's november but that a perfect world he'd be playing point guard they'd be trash and they'd be trying to get another pick but because nico harrison and it's has just put together this weird roster of just like these vets that want to compete for a title and paired them with all these young guys, it's just a weird roster. They should just have a plan. Pick a direction. And that's, it's not, I don't think it's anybody on the, on the, on the, that's

playing on the team's fault. It's right there on the front office putting together a hodgepods of guys and saying, go win a championship and go, uh, be a contender because no one thought that they were going to be a contender other than any people in the business or people in the front office. certainly oh no i'll take that back and a few and a few ringer people no oh yeah i was going to say a few people on a certain network who uh were way out over their skis on this one and and proclaiming them a contender but there's no way that they were a contender if you look at that roster and like kairie being out and they're going to give cooper flag the responsibility of the offense so and then

anthony davis comes out of shape there was no way they were going to be a contender no kairie no point guard, unless you want to count DeAngelo Russell, who they're still bringing off the bench because they don't actually trust them enough to make him the starting point guard, apparently. Derek Lively's played only three games. Daniel Gaffert's played only one game. Clay is old. Anthony Davis is banged up. Like, what does anybody expect from this team? I don't even consider them a disappointment. I consider them exactly what I expected them to be or a little worse off because of the injuries because I didn't, you know, project all those guys were going to miss all those games. But it's a wonky roster and super front court heavy and super playmaking light. And

yeah, they need Kyrie back. Jason Kidd teased the other day. I don't think he meant it as a tease, but he said like he's not ruling out Kyrie by the end of this calendar year, which seems like a crazy thing to do to raise expectations when he a few weeks ago was saying he didn't want to put a timeline on it or raise expectations because people had seen Kyrie working out on the practice court. I mean, if Kyrie comes back sometime, let's just say he does return, maybe like early January or something, like, there's a salvageable season here. They could be pretty good. But the problem is when you come back from the ACL, you're like, you can come back in a year and sometimes a little less, but you may not be yourself for like a good 18 to 24 months,

usually. And so saying he's going to come back and be play savior is too much to put on Kyrie at his age with that injury. So, no, I just, I don't expect much out of them this season. They're not a disappointment. They just are what Nico Harrison constructed. Didn't Kyrie say that he was going to go on his own plane and like, just, I'm going to go on when I feel like it, no pressure? You mean like an airplane or like a plane of existence?

A plane of existence. You're not really locked them, bro. you're, Cliff, you know what I'm talking about. You're not locked in back, bro. You're not really one with yourself. Clearly, I'm not one with you because I have no idea what you're saying for about like 30% of the pod today. Six, seven. Y'all want to get to the belt back here.

Bill back's going to kick my ass. Let's get to Alexander Ketano's question here. Dear realist of ones, long-suffering Kings fan here who has two of doors. who has had to endure as if we didn't crush them enough who has had to endure a lot of insignificant amount of mockery about my team and its decision-making acumen or lack thereof having dug themselves into a hell that is being the fantasy team someone autodress based on five-year-old player rankings

is there an option beyond tearing it down to the studs that would give the kings a brighter future moving forward if not how few pennies on the dollar should they be willing to accept to get rid of all of their good but incongruent players Best wishes and thanks for all the inside, Alex. You want to take this from Howard? Holy shit. All right.

First of all, shout out to Alex. Great job with the fantasy team that someone builds on auto draft based on five-year-old player rankings. Phenomenal description of your Sacramento Kings. Also, great use of incongruent. So I think first things first, because nobody wants to tear down. And Alex, I think, said he does, he's, is there a way out of this that doesn't involve a tear down.

I think it, I don't see that there's any other way. I think like you just whatever you do don't double down on this bill. Don't keep throwing bad money after good, good money after bad, whatever the expression is. Like don't no more big names and big contracts. No job, no John Morant. The only real hope is to offload the big contracts or wait until they expire. So like Zach Levine's got a player option for 2026. So he's probably not off the book still 2027.

DeRosen's off in 2027 too. So you've got like one more season after this one before those guys are off. the books. And that's a combined like 75 million. So that's a lot. They could have significant cap room in 2027. So if you're looking for hope, I don't think it's coming soon, but 2027's two off seasons away. That's when your cap room arrives if you don't, you know, keep doubling down and screwing up the cap. They have most of their picks available to them. But I'd be gauging the market on everybody. I mean, I still think it's only a matter of time before De Mano Sabonis just says, what am I still doing here? This is not the team that that I

I helped revive along with Deerne Fox and Mike Brown and that whole crew. Like, I, you know, I wonder what his, his mindset is. But I'd be, I'd be gauging the market for Savonis. If there's a market out there for Levine, I don't know, but I would check. I would be looking around to see if anybody wants to Marr de Rosen. I would, I don't know why they believe that Kagan Murray is somehow representative of their present and future. He's, he's been okay.

But like, I know you drafted him and he's been a popular player. And it's fun when he shoots threes for everybody in the, in the, Arena to answer with Murray after they say Keegan. Keegan. But that's it. Like I just, there's, there are no intouchables on that roster. I would gauge the value on everybody. And yeah, I'd be, I'd be rebuilding.

Don't hold your breath. Just go back to the old, just go back to the old days where you just want to go watch the other team for a really good price. Can we bring back Arco Arena too? No, absolutely. No, hell no. No. No. Never mind. Alex, I sympathize with you. I sympathize me.

Anyways, let's get to the final bad bad question. Let's lighten the beam up over there in Sacramento there. All right, Jeremy Griggs, this is, or Jeremy Briggs, I'm sorry. This is Howard's favorite subject here, load management. With load management returning to the fold via Michael Mike Crime, is it time for the league to finally consider aggregate stats? It would eliminate the player participation requirement. Total stats for someone's 65 actual games played look underwhelming when average over 82 games

and help award discussions align the league with modern stats. I hope this email finds you and in the darkness bind you. Jeremy Briggs. That's fire. We got some good writers right into the mailbag. Is this another reference you didn't need to explain to me, Logan? I just thought it was cool. Probably.

That's cool. I don't know what I do with that. Wait, by the way, real quick, Cliff, I sent, we'll get to the question. I sent Howard the Caribou on the radar free stop. What did you think of it? It was fine. Yeah. All right.

The low management discussion, what do you think about the aggregate stats? It doesn't solve anything. Like, the league could decide on an official basis that the scoring title is based on total points instead of averages. That's what our listeners getting at here, right? Because then, in theory, you're incentivized to play more games to accrue more points because it's about your total

and not your average. More games, more points. points, cool. Same thing with the assist title, block title, everything else. I get that. But when it comes to awards, like the media votes on awards and the league can't tell us, base your award voting only on totals and not averages. Like we're still going to, we are all just trained since birth to use averages in the NBA. It's not like baseball or football where you can measure a season success for a quarterback or a wide receiver or a pitcher strikeout totals. Like you don't have, we don't do total yards, total strike us, we don't do total points.

Like the other leagues do, the NBA has always been about the averages. And I know that it does kind of feed into this idea that you play fewer games and you still look like the top score in the league because you average like 28 a game on 66 games. But you can't change the awards process. The vote, I mean, I mean, you can change anything you want. But like the awards voting is done by the media. We're probably still going to end up leaning on averages over totals.

And load management's not going away regardless. If this is proposed as a means to combat load management, load management is not because players don't want to play. Load management is because teams have invested a ton in sports science and medical staffs and training staffs and in their players that they want to keep healthy. The players, by and large, are not the ones deciding when to play and not to play. It's the teams.

And so I don't think that this fixes any part of that. Well said. Are you going to be back next week? I feel like I scared you off today. I feel like this was There's just no telling at this point That was another edition of real ones Thanks so much Cliff

Thanks so much VV Thanks so much to Howard motherfucking Beck I'm Logan Murdoch A.k.a. Logie Boone after 2 See us Friday And who knows will be here I know I'll be here I hope my homies will be here

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