The Ringer NBA Show - Ep. 41: 17 Years in the League With Mike Miller

Episode Date: November 8, 2016

The Ringer's Chris Vernon is joined by the Denver Nuggets' Mike Miller to discuss what it's like to be a veteran on a young team, joining LeBron James and the Heat (7:50), his days as a Cav (17:05), and his future in basketball (28:15). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Today, joining me as a former NBA rookie of the year. And NBA champion in now current Denver Nugget. He is Mike Miller. Hey, Mike. What's going on, brother? Thanks for coming in. So the Denver Nuggets, now this is a different stage in your career. You got a young, it's a fun team, right?

Young, fun team, and you are kind of the veteran on, said young fun team. It's a young fun team, and I am definitely the veteran. You know, for us, it's obviously it's a team full of talent, stock full of talent. It's going to be great to see the progression this year. If you watched the progression last year, it was great. That's what gives us the hopes and the expectations. of this season. So, you know, my job now is to be the glue and to keep the same moving.

All right. So in terms of guys coming to you, do they come to you for Sage Wisdom now? I don't know if it's wisdom that I'm giving in return. They're probably coming for wisdom. I don't know if it's wisdom I'm getting a return. But, you know, for me, it's, you know, when you have a lot of talent, I mean, we have, we really do have, you know, 12, 13 players that are really, really good. None of them being the alpha dog yet.

So, you know, it's, you know, when you're doing that as a coach, on the coaching side they have a lot of times is playing time and so I get a lot of you know I have to I have to make sure that we we monitor that and make sure the guys are all right and so that's my job right now and hopefully I'm doing a good job all right so you say you got a lot of young talent who's the one that's going to be great you've been around great players your whole career who's the one on this Nuggets team that's got a chance to be great I think there's a multiple guys I think when you have a lot of young talent there's there's guys that are really really good and it's hard to pick those guys but if I had my money on somebody right now it's it's it's it's it's a coli yokech i call him joker uh i think i see i see a lot of of the gissau brothers i think they really like pow and mark or he plays a lot like pow and mark he understands the game um you can put him i think what i really like about him on all 30 teams does the same exact thing and uh a lot like mark and in the fact that can control and dominate a game and his numbers are you know 13 10 and seven right and to me that's exciting i think that that's that's fun basketball to watch.

In fairness, though, Mike, both Gassau's have been first team all-NBA guys. You think this guy's got that kind of chance? Well, I mean... All-star, first-team, all-n-B-A type? Now, beat me, I like it. To me, I do. I think he has that ability

because where you look at where Mark and Powell are now, then you look at where they're at 20, 21 years old, right? It's the same thing. Powell was really, really good when rookie of the year at that time. Mark was just becoming himself. So it takes a process. Now, again, it's a high expectations. for anybody because Mark and Power

two of my favorite teammates. Right. Two of the best players I've ever played with. But I see a lot of them in there. Will he be there? A lot of things have to happen, right? All right, so I talked about you being the veteran on this team, and you've got to look around the NBA. We just saw the Ray Allen announcement last week, and we talked about it,

and it's almost weekly. One of your peers retires. How odd is that for you? It's odd. It's sad. You look around. All your buddies are gone? You look around and, you know, you're 36, about to turn 37 in the locker room.

And that's what makes me excited about playing tonight and seeing Vince play. All right, because Vince makes you feel young. Hey, Vince, thank you. But the way he's playing right now, he still makes me feel old. He's playing great. And, you know, I'm cheering for him. So, you know, we have a, there's, we don't get together and talk, but we have almost like a group. And whatever, if you're, if you're 35 and above, you're in a group and you're cheering for each other.

Who else is around? You know, we got Jamal Crawford's in that group. Is he the only one left from your draft class? He is. He is. So it's me and Jamal in our draft class, so we're dying. What year draft was that? That's like recognized it as a terrible draft, right? It really is.

That's why it was terrible. Oh, stop. It was 2000. No, but I mean, like that was historically, like a lot of guys didn't pan out, but you and Jamal are the ones, huh? Me and Jamal are still there 17 years later. Wow. That's it.

So, Jamal Crawford, Vince Carter. Andre Miller was gone, right? He's gone now. Dirk. Dirk. Dirk still playing. Who else is in this? Obviously, Kobe and Duncan left last year.

Yeah, KG retired. Yep. Ray Allen. Not many of us. That's it. And not many of us. Yeah, we're dying off. I'm sure there's some more, but it's not very many.

It's crazy. When you think back to that draft and that draft night, were you happy with where you got drafted? I was. You were. I mean, obviously, being a Florida gator and being able to go right down the road to Orlando. you know, it was, to me, it was an easy transition.

I mean, the transition for every kid from college to NBA is tough no matter what. Right. But if you can make, if there's small things that can make it easier, you have a better chance. And obviously, I got put in a unique situation because they were a team that just, you know, almost made the playoffs, had stockpile picks, but also had a bunch of cap space. So, you know, they go out and get Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill that summer. Right. I was able to play with those guys for three years, which was a lot of fun. I learned a lot.

So I was in a unique spot where I got to be. be able to be picked high, stay close to where I could play college basketball, and you have to be on a really good team. Did you look at it and think you went too low at the time? No, I mean, I think, you know, for me. Obviously, you're happy because it's hometown, but in terms of, like, the way it all played out, do you go, why did that guy go ahead of me? Why did that guy go ahead of me?

You know, you don't, when you're back there, though, you just never know. And I still almost cringe when I watch drafts these days, when you watch guys in green rooms, and you just want to get picked. He just want to get drafted and get out of there. You know, I still wonder why people want to be in there. But, you know, for me, I was just happy and excited to be fifth and be a part of the Orlando Magic at the time. Well, Kenyon Martin had a long career, right? Obviously, Jamal Cawber is he still around.

Turgilloo, manned out. Jamal McGlore made an all-star team, right? But they went Kenyon, Stro-Miles Swift, Darius Miles, Marcus Fizer, Mike Miller. That's right. That's right. You outlasted all of them, right? Last man, last man standing. Where did Jamal go?

He went eight. Yep, yep. All right, so he went eight. So you got two guys left. In terms of being on a team right now that's going to be fighting for a playoff spot versus is it hard to be on a team like that after you've been around championship caliber teams? It was very difficult after I left Cleveland. So Miami, Miami, then I came here, played Memphis. But we had those expectations.

And, you know, obviously go seven. against OKC for round one. And really whoever wins that series goes Western Conference Finals or can have a chance to win the finals. So we had the same expectations as the hardest one after Cleveland then was last year in Denver,

you know, when you're around all-star break and you're starting to figure out what the plans are. You know, I haven't been there for a while. That does make it tough. Coming in this year, you look at everything through different lenses. This is an exciting part for me.

It's a different challenge. It's not a challenge that I'm accustomed to, but it's a different challenge. on how can I help these young kids? What can I do? How do I bring it every day? That makes an impact. And to me, that's a challenge that I've welcomed.

And it's a reason I signed back there. What's different about something like those Miami days and being in that locker room? What's different about those type of locker room? Like a championship locker room. How is it different? A championship locker room outside of having awesome players. Yeah, outside of awesome players. I mean, everything is different because you're playing towards June and,

Like, you know, when you're on a young team like this, you're playing, oh my goodness, we've got to win tomorrow. It's a big game tonight. When you're playing the championship locker rooms, the culture is different. You're building, you're building for the playoffs. You're building for the finals. You're not worried. No, everything, everything you're doing is to piece and play in June and July. That's it.

And so that's, that's the difference. Now we're in a position where we're finding our rotations for tomorrow. We're finding our role. So coaches always got to tweak things, always got to do things. So that always, the locker room's always different because it's always someone happy, someone's sad where we were building for long term. Who was the talker in those locker rooms when it was tying to? I think Haslam's been like the elder statesman there. But is it, LeBron, is it Wade?

Is it Haslam? Who was the guy? And those, if you take me back to those key championship teams and it's time for a guy to start barking in the locker room or on the sidelines, who was it? That's what made that team special. though. I think obviously UD was the one, but at any given time, our team, our team was truly special. I don't think, I don't know, I mean, LeBron would say something, Dee Wade would say, it was basically, there was nothing was premeditated. It was all what was on the, on our mind. And, you know, it took us going through so many things to start seeing it. I mean, you, that first

year was almost like what we just talked about with a Denver Nuggets team or a young team. we were playing for the next game because we wanted to win. Once we won one, after we won a championship, made things so much easier because we understood that this is a long journey. And, you know, different guys stepped up at different moments and talked at different times. So what's it like because the Warriors are going through it now, right? Everybody's like, oh, they put together this super team.

It's got a chance to be one of the greatest teams ever, not unlike what happened in Miami. And then you come out the box and it's not super yet. What are they going through right now? It's, you know, one thing they've got to understand is you add a dynamic piece like KD and that everyone's roles and responsibilities are going to be different. And we throw around the word sacrifice a lot. But if you don't sacrifice, there's going to be sacrifices made.

It's one thing I always thought was comical in the times I was in Miami and nothing against media reporters, but they'd always ask, man, what's wrong with so-and-so? What's wrong with so-and-so? Why are you not scoring? listen at the end of the day we're only scoring 100 110 points a game there's only 70 to 85 shots at game at some point you know there there's going to be there's going to be sacrifices made I always tell people it's easy to make sacrifice if I told you right now that you know what sacrifice sit in this studio for the next six hours I guarantee you're going to get whatever job you want

you sit here and sacrifice but if I said you know what sitting here for six hours you might get the job right so it's the same thing when you sit in a lock when you're sitting in that your goal and stay right now They're telling you to sacrifice. They're telling you to say, you know, instead of averaging 22 this year average 16, and we'll have a chance to win. If everyone knew we were going to win, sacrifice is easy. It's, you know, the hardest thing is sacrifice is not knowing if you're going to win because you might play 82 games, go through the playoffs, get beat up by the media because

your numbers are down and not win a championship. But guess what? When you win that championship, man, he was great for us, wasn't he? Right. He really sacrificed. He did his job. That is the story of Chris Bosch, is it not? 100%.

That's one of the guys I'm talking about. Yeah. And Kay Love kind of went through it too in Cleveland. Oh, yeah. At the end of the day, someone's going to have to sacrifice. Someone's numbers are going to come down. They'd always said about our other guys in Miami. Why are you guys not averaging 12, 13 points?

Well, at the end of the day, he's going to have 20. He's going to have 30. He's going to have 18. All right, so you do the math. We're at 75, 80 points. That means there's eight of us are going to get three or four shots, which we were cool with. That was our sacrifice. We'll take that.

When were you cool with it, though? Did it take a while for you to be cool with it? Because on one end, you're thinking, I want to extend my career. And so it's no fun averaging five points or eight points or whatever you're going to average. On the other end, you know, is it really you have to win the title for it to come through? It goes to what you said. I mean, you're sacrificing for not knowing. And for me, it was worth that for me, knowing that we could win a championship.

Because obviously what happens is when you get the championships and now that we won, two of them, whatever, it did extend my career. Because now I'm a lot smarter, right? That's what people think. I still can't spell cat. But that's just the way it is, though. And that's right. You sacrifice for different things, but you truly do learn through those processes. Like, I see things now completely different than I ever saw anything before.

In what way? Just the difference in game and preparation and, you know, when things are going great and when things are going bad, they're not that great and they're not that bad. You know what I mean? So when you go through that, you understand that, hey, listen, you know, what you're sacrificing could result in this or couldn't. But you got to be willing to do it. And tell you those guys buy in a golden state to go back to your question until they buy in, it's going to be that way. And they're going to find it.

We were, I think, 10 and 11 or something like that. We had some not that bad, but we were crazy bad to start in Miami too. And you had everybody in the free world covering that team, right? You had literally websites dedicated to and a section of. of websites dedicated to covering, I mean, there was a thing called the heat index that employed a bunch of rioter, you know what I mean? And so it was every day. Did things ever blow up in the locker room? You know what? That was where we were pretty good. Yeah? Because at the end of, for us in that locker room, that was the only place we felt safe. It really, it really was,

because what you're talking about, the heat index, if we lost a game, the world was coming to end. God forbid we lose two in a row. You know, so our only safe haven, was in the locker room. It was where everyone had each other's backs, and that's what made that team special. There's no one ever turned against each other. What about when you go to Cleveland and you see this happening again, right? First of all, what is it like to be in LeBron's inner circle? And were you surprised that he went back to Cleveland?

I was a little bit. You were? I was a little bit surprised. But, you know, to me it's the same thing I would say to KD and all that is for me, I'm 17 years in the light. I see the light at the end. You know, I'm getting there, unfortunately. As sad as it is to say, I'm getting there.

You know, it goes by so fast. If you can't enjoy or if there's something you want to do, if going to Golden State or going to Cleveland is what you want to do, you have to do it. It has to be the game, like I said, when they're done, I was talking to Emmanuel Moody about this on the bench the other day. You know, he's going through some struggles, and I don't know.

I hope it was my. I talked, but he ended up going for 24 in the first half. Oh, you're really going to take credit for Moodye's 24 first quarter? I'm not because he was unbelievable, but it's the same thing I'm going to tell is that I'm at the end of it. And every time I look back, I remember a very small amount of the bad things. Really? I remember a lot of the good things.

And so what I was telling him was basically, hey, listen, when you're done with all this, what you're going through right now will pass. But what you'll remember is that 24 point quarter, you'll remember those good things. And so you have to enjoy this. You have to enjoy every part of it. You got to understand that it's a blessing to be here. We are, you know, it's not something that we even deserve. You know what I mean?

Like, this is just fun. So when he went back to Cleveland, if that's what he wanted, that's what his family wanted, man. Did he ask you? No, no. I wouldn't want him to, to be honest with you. Because I wouldn't want that on my shoulders. To me, I think that has to be a decision you make by yourself. Right.

So what do I not know about him? Because he's got to keep He does a good job But he has to in some ways Keep the world at arm's length Yeah I mean he he does It's really hard because you know what With the way of social media

Everything is now He's an unbelievable family man Probably the best team I'd ever had Really? You don't see that stuff? Nah He's just Why is he a great teammate?

He's giving I mean like he always wants you to be happy He understands you know Part of it I think is he's smart. He understands that he's going to need you. He's going to need guys in that locker room if he wants to do what he wants to do. And just he does everything for you and make sure that you're taking care of. Make sure he's just an unbelievable teammate. How did it work out with them in Cleveland? Because you go from Miami and it's like, okay, having to do this again,

putting together a super team, right? They've got, they've got Kyrie already there. He's this out amazing point guard. And now they've added Kevin Love and you talked about how everybody's kind of got to learn to sacrifice. And so going through it with them and see, after you had been in Miami and then seeing what they went through in Cleveland, which were the struggles and trying to figure it out and do they like each other and are they going to trade Kevin Love? They went through all of that to then eventually being able to win the title last year. Knowing those guys personally and just seeing that whole story and being there and what they

went through, how did that all get worked out? It was honestly, when I walked into Cleveland, it was like walking into a movie theater and seen the same movie for the second time. Like I saw the same movie. You had Kevin Love who had unbelievable numbers like Chris Bosch, who was going to have to sacrifice, didn't know it at the time, but me and James Jones and LeBron knew it.

Right. Right? We knew we were going to have to cross that bridge of him being frustrated. We knew we're going to have to cross that bridge of him being frustrated, but needing him at the big moments. So was it Bosch all over again?

You can see it. Going to a person like Kyrie and knowing he's talent is elite, probably about it, to me, has the best offensive package in the game of basketball. Knowing that he's going to go through some things like he's used to having this, this, and this, that's going to change a little bit. And then going, obviously, with LeBron, the rest of the guys buying in, right? So along with the coaching staff and everyone else that's new to the situation when things go bad, right? So you hear all the outside noise, but the outside noise really isn't what's going on in the inside. Like, we never hated each other.

That was everything. Like, that's what we always saw was comical. You know, the first time it happened in Miami, you'd be hearing this, you're like, man, he really hates him? And then you go on there and you think about it, like, man, he doesn't hate him. They're just making that up. So, you know, the second time when you're in Cleveland, you're hearing, oh, Kevin Love's getting me traded. Man, Kevin Love wasn't getting you traded. Right.

Kyrie wasn't going to be traded. We didn't hate each other. That's what you bring to that log. Hey, listen, guys, that's going to be said about you. You say that from the beginning. So then when it happens, they're like, man. Right. They said to, hey, they're going to want to trade Kevin Love about All-Star Break.

They're going to hate each other by 20 games in. We said that on day one. We told them that was going to happen. Right. So when they know that and it starts happening, they're like, okay. Right. So you can take it a lot easier. So it really was like walking into a movie theater and seeing the movie,

like going to see Shawshank Redemption. Like I could tell you what's going to happen. And that was weird to be a part of, but a lot of fun. Was it easier to get that one worked out than Miami? Oh, a lot easier. It was. Oh, yeah, a lot easier. Just because.

Because the guys are young. Yeah, well, not only, but we knew what was going to happen. In Miami, you didn't know what was going to happen. Yeah. Now, and you have to, in our defense, we had an ability to say, hey, listen, we did this and it worked. Right. If it didn't work in Miami, those guys would look at us like, oh, yeah, y'all tried that. Gotcha.

So we had the ability to go about, we had, you know, the ability that we worked, it worked, we won, and so they listened a little more. And that year, two years ago, getting ravaged by injury and LeBron really like doing the one-man show thing in the finals to try to get every. Everybody by. Yeah, it was the best performance has ever seen. But how depressing was that for the team? With love gone, with Kyrie. And like, it's like, all right, you figure it out.

Guys are starting to sacrifice. Got a playoff run. Feel like we got a shot at the title. And then it just kind of gets stripped away. That's what makes winning a championship so hard. Not only do you have to get lucky at sometimes, not only is it going to be, you know, going through some of the best teams in the league and then winning,

but you also had to fight the injury. You know, the one thing in Miami, where we got pretty lucky is we stayed pretty healthy. We had Chris Bosch missed about seven playoff games one year. We were able to keep it together for him. Dee Wade missed a couple. But other than that, you know, we

made it. We made it through pretty healthy and to make it through healthy in Cleveland and then get there and then make it out. You know, we actually made it through, and that's what made the LeBron's performance is so impressive. We actually made it through after round one, K. Love was out the rest of time.

And then Kyrie heard his knee against Atlanta in the Eastern Conference Finals and it was tough enough to play through it and then hurt it again game one in the finals. So injuries are part of it. That's what makes winning a championship at any level harder.

Why was Ty Loo so successful with that team and what's your perspective on what happened with Blatt? It's tough. I mean, it really is. Coaching a LeBron team is always difficult because the expectations are through the roof. you know and you know I don't know what happened there in the locker room because I wasn't there when the firing happened but he felt he lost the team and in this league coaching is about communication and having you guys and once you lose those guys is really really hard to win so I don't know exactly what happened there but that's what they felt in the front office and obviously went with T. Liu and T. Liu led him to a championship. All right. Why is T. Liu good? Again at this level it's communication with your players.

And I said the same thing. That's why I think FIS will do a good job here is your job as a coach right now is to be prepared, communicate well with your players, communicate what they want, whether it's right or wrong or what they want to hear it or not, making sure that they understand their roles and responsibilities, and then finally put them in the best position to succeed individually. That's what makes a great NBA coach. That's what makes a great NBA coach. And once you have that, once you have their ears, they're going to play hard for you, you're prepared,

you put a style on a system. The other thing, I think what really does a good job is when you coach the personnel and you don't coach a system. You know, here and, you know, when Fizz was in Miami, the team was completely different than this team he has here. He's got to start coaching this personnel. Right. You don't bring a system from Miami and say it's going to fit here. No, you put you get the personnel here. You coach that personnel and I think Fizz will do a good job with that.

We'll get right back to it with Mike Miller. But first I want to remind you about Bose before we go on. Today's sponsor is Bose and is the official sound of the NFL. Well, Bose gets players closer to their peak performance. It gets you closer to them. How? With powerful products like their quiet comfort, 35 wireless headphones. I have a pair of these myself.

It could confidently say these are Bose's best headphones yet. No noise, no wires, just your music and you. For more information, visit Bose.com. Okay, in terms of Spolstra and how he handled everything, and you saw him evolve in Miami. And obviously, he's having to go through it with a young team now, right? you're at both ends of the spectrum when you're Eric Spolstra. But Spolstra's role in those Miami championships and what kind of coach he really is?

I thought he was a great coach. He was organized. He's always prepared. I mean, anyone that comes under the Riley tree is going to come in, have an unbelievable practice program. I'm going to come in there and be efficient. Going to get things done.

Defensively, we were always going to be locked in. That was going to be our key. That's what made us special. But he just did a great job of doing those things. And you know what? He towards the end, he started making adjustments that were needed. Is there any coach that you did not get along with? I don't think so.

I think I got along with all of them. You know, and... Because you've had a million. I have. Even your college coaches in the NBA now, right? Billy Donovan's coached at Oklahoma City. That's right. It's crazy.

Your college coaches coached at Oklahoma City. That's right. You think you've gotten along with all of them? I have. You know, listen, you're going to have, as a player, you're going to have moments where you don't necessarily agree. But your job as a player is to march in line. Right. And so the sooner you allow yourself to be put in line and understand that, the better you're going to be.

Is there anybody that has cooked you the worst as far as defensively? Oh, man, I've been cooked a lot. Kobe was good. Is there a worst one? Like when you think back, like, God, that night, I could not stop him. Kobe was a problem a lot. Kobe was a problem a lot. You know what, T-Mack in practice was a problem.

LeBron in practice was a problem. There's a lot of, you're going to. You played with all these, like, all the fame players, right? That's right. You happen to guard him? Yeah, in practice, I guard him. I mean, that's the way it was. When you think back and you're sitting there with Emmanuel Moodyeer and you're talking to him about,

you're only going to remember the good times. is the one that you think of the most, the finals performance? Was it seven-threes, right? Yeah, yeah. Obviously, you know, it is the finals because for me, it's the reason I went there. I've told the story a thousand times. I had chances to take more money. When LeBron called, you know, it was, it was, I had a lot of individual success.

I was able to win rookie the year. I won six men a year. But I'd never really done anything in the playoffs. When we were in Memphis, and the reason I came back here because I wanted to do something in the playoffs here because the city is awesome and they want it, is I wanted to see what all that work I did my entire life, I wanted to see what I would do in big moments.

Would I step up and do it or would I choke? But I had to find out. That was the one thing. I could easily went there and missed all seven of them. But I wanted to know. I wanted to know what it would be like and how my body would react, how my mind would react, all those things.

And I was able to get those answers. and that was more than anything, the more exciting than almost winning the championship, I got those answers. What's crazy is you are, I don't know, the original is fair, but you see around the league a lot of guys on minutes restrictions

or getting DMPs or rest. I mean, you damn near sat out like two thirds of a season in order to be ready and available for the playoffs. When you see this trend now where teams are so much more, concerned with maintaining the health of their rosters than before.

And just what that was like for you to go through insane patience, right? Because you didn't even play for most of that season. Then you show up in the finals and knock down seven threes in a game and help your team win the championship. What do you think about the landscape of the NBA now? It's hard. You've got to be really sure about your team. If you're going to do that, you have to be sure that your team's going to be really good

because you know, you're sacrificing a lot to get there. You're sacrificing, you know, team playing together, getting, you know, rhythm together, winning games together, losing games together, knowing how they feel. You're sacrificing a lot because it's hard. It's hard to turn it on and off. This league is very hard to do that on. And so, you know, it's, I can understand it to a point because if I'm Cleveland right now and I have that team they have, they're winning the east. That's just happening. If they stay healthy, they are winning the east.

So now what are you playing for again? Are you playing for January, February, March? Are you playing for June, July? And so is it good for basketball? Probably not. But is it good for their situation, their organization, their chances to win a championship? Yes. But it's also a juggling act.

Tulu has a juggling act because they've got to be playing at a high level when the playoffs come around. How do you do that? How do you rest them and play at a high level? So that's where he has to be good. How many would you have been actually capable of play? I got to play at all. Because would you sit out like 50 games? Yeah, I could have played them all, but for them at that time, you know, we had so many guys.

It was about me being healthy at the right times. Right. And so I had that opportunity and made the most of it. Is this the last year for Mike Miller? I don't think so. I mean, I don't know yet. Well, you got like seven teams paying you now, right? How many checks do you get?

How many teams send you a check? Man, it was great seeing you, man. I'm so happy I got to go up here and see you. I really appreciate you taking time. me today. So we got one more year on your deal after this one more. And I still love it. I still enjoy being in there.

I still love being in a locker room. Travel's getting tough. Yeah. But it's, you know, to me it's, it's a blessing, man.

I get to wake up every day and play basketball. And like you said, I'm getting paid for it. I'm not going to wake up and read some players tribune, Mike Miller. No, my time is done, article.

First of all, I didn't have a good enough career to do a play. They'll ask you. I'll get you an article. players interviewed. Mike, thank you so much, man. Thank you, brother. I appreciate it. My man, Mike Miller from the Denver Nuggets. Thanks for listening to another edition of the NBA show.