The Ringer NBA Show - Ep. 62: The Thunder-Warriors "Rivalry," Embiid's Antics, and Shea Serrano Loses a Game to His Son

Episode Date: January 19, 2017

The Ringer's Chris Vernon and Shea Serrano discuss Russell Westbrook's stare during warm-ups (2:40), Zaza Pachulia's flagrant foul (4:55), the surging 76ers (11:19), five non-obvious guys whom Shea loves (15:10), and the 'White Men Can't Jump' reboot (29:45). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Today's episode is brought to you by the Ringer podcast network. With the NFL playoffs in full swing, make sure to check out the Ringer NFL show. Each week, The Ringer's Robert Mays, Kevin Clark and Danny Kelly break down everything you need to know about the NFL postseason. You can subscribe to The Ringer NFL show on iTunes by going to iTunes.com backslash the Ringer

or find it wherever you get podcasts. Welcome to the Ringer NBA show. I'm Chris Varned. Joining me today from The Ringer.com is Shay Serrano. What up, Shay? What up, Tommy? Late last night with this Thunder Warriors game going on, and you wrote for the website,

Is the Thunder Warriors even a rivalry anymore? Let's go through these. Well, first of all, your overall thoughts on what took place last night? I thought it was exactly what was going to happen. You have to just watch those games looking for the little tiny interactions that happen in between the beginning and end, you know what I'm saying? Okay, so before the game started,

if people wanted to know what Russell Westbrook would wear to the game because the last time he wore that photographer's outfit, really not a spectacular Russell Westbrook outfit last night. No, it wasn't super great. But, you know, I think that was the point. He made a point of Kevin Durant. This time I think he's going the opposite direction. Now I think he's doing the whole just not going to acknowledge

anything about anything ever again. And there you go. Well, that story comes out before the game. I loved the headline. It says Durant and Westbrook, quote, not on speaking terms. What do you make of the fact that they will not speak to each other? Fantastic. I really like when people in the NBA are mad at it.

It just makes things. Mostly because you're allowed to just inject it to meaning into like whatever you want. Like, for example, when he shows in the game, he was like shredded gene, oh, his relationship now. Like, you can just do whatever you want when people are mad at the other person. So I love it. It's great. I'm glad they're not friends. And then we got the one clip before that they kept showing over and over, where it's like him staring a hole through the back of Durant as he's warming up.

So at least the TV, they gave us a little something where it was like, all right, these guys really hate each other. And that cameraman got the money shot of Westbrook, staring him down from behind. All right, let's go through these one. The same is that picture of him staring at the MVP trophy. I love it. All right, let's go through these one by one. I'm a big fan of Westbrook staring at the guy.

That needs to be a thing, right? Just Westbrook staring at things. Yeah, that should be a TV, that's a 30-minute TV show on ABC. He's just staring at things in the background. At the very least, a Tumblr. Something. Yeah, just Westbrook staring at things.

Surely somebody that's listening to us can start that up, and we will give it our full support. All right, let's go to the questions that came out of last night. Are the Warriors Kevin Durant's team yet? Hmm. I mean, they do have the two-time MVP on that team, but do you think we're going to look up and think this is Durant's team? I, not in the near future, no.

It's becoming harder to his team, given that he's, prior this year, he's got higher points, higher rebound, higher PR, higher VIP, like his numbers are just better but I think philosophically his team until he either A just goes absolutely nuts in a playoffs

over like a two year period three year period like what LeBron did with the heat where it was like he still feels like Dwayne We've seen even though we know LeBron's a better player until like 2000 and what was it 12 maybe

when he just started going the apis ship against everybody and like okay you know what we were it's time to change it So I think something like that has happened. I mean, he's got to go nuclear or Steph has to leave. One of those two things has to happen. Zaza-Pichulia flooring Russell Westbrook last night before halftime.

And then you wrote about the canter basically non-response. I mean, I could believe it would be getting right now. Why is this man just standing over my wrestling and nobody doing anything? Somebody run up and hit this man, please. I mean, let's not fight, but you've got to shove him. There's no way if we flip that, knocks Steph Curry down and stands over him, and fucking David West doesn't come running off the bench and drop kick him.

You know what I'm saying? Somebody's got to do something there. Do you think that speaks to the way his teammates feel about him? Or do you think they're just wussies? No. No, I think that there's just nobody in that role in the game. He would have done something, I'm sure. He would have.

But by most account, those guys really liked him. I didn't want to see that. What does it say about Petulia? Oh, it says that he's fantastic. He knows exactly what his job is. He's going to do this job. That wasn't a surprise. If I had told you, hey, somebody last thing called him,

Robert Russell Westbrook and then I had a pretty good game then. Like, that's just how it does. The whole standing over him is the most ridiculous part of it, right? Because it was like it is as if to say this was not an accident. I totally meant to floor you. Yeah, it was great. It was the best moment of the whole game. All right.

You can never foresee a circumstance where the Thunder ever actually beat the Warriors. No. All right. You contemplated why Anthony Roberson never shoots the ball or really actually forget why he doesn't. You asked the question, is it possible he's not allowed to?

Yeah, not that I don't think he's allowed to. I don't know that he knows he's. about you. Like, I think he, I always feel so bad for him when he gets the ball. Like, last night, they threw the ball to him at the three-point line. And Draymond Green, they're cool. And then he just walked away. Like, he straight up just walked away from him. He was 15, 20 feet. And Roberson is just standing there waiting for somebody else to do something. And it was like, my heart was breaking for poor Roberson because he just won't shoot it. The other one I want to get to. I mean, I get it because he's not very good to shoot.

but it hurts my feeling. It doesn't hurt your feelings. The other thing from last night's game was the whole talking point thing with Westbrook and Duran. And who's going to give in first? So what do we think? Who is going to extend the Olive Branch? If Durantha Westbrook become on speaking terms again, it is because of who? He screwed up like he left.

You want to leave to another team. That's perfectly fine. But you can't tell your home and you're leaving over a text message. So he did that part wrong. So he's got to be the guy to reach out. The same as when you say something wrong to your... If that never... I think he would die before he talks to Kevin Durant again.

Yeah, that's what I was just about to ask you. Let's say that never takes place. Will Russell Westbrook go to his grave without speaking to him? He would gladly without talking to Durant. And he'll never acknowledge the fact that he never acknowledged him either. And it'll be great. what I hope is there's like some kind of reunion right like 20 years down the road there's some reunion or like they do this 100 best players ever 50 greatest players ever and they have to be around each other like they still haven't spoken in 20 years and then it's like it comes to a head where they have to do like a good old times uh you know interview with each other like that's that's gonna happen right oh you know you know what i'm really excited for the the All-Star game because they're going to be in there together.

I was playing in a basketball game maybe like two or three years ago, and there was a guy on the team who I just hated. I had never met him before, but after like 10 minutes, I decided I fucking hate this person so much. He just was a basketball player to have on your team, like this kind of guy. He wouldn't pass a ball. He was always done all this. He just would never, ever pass a ball. So I'm yelling at him during the game, like really getting into it.

And then finally, after like 20 minutes, he decides every time that he would pass it to me, rather than catch it, I would just move out of the way and it would go tumbling out of bounds. And I would never catch the ball if he threw it. I'm like, now, fuck you. I'm never going to touch the ball after you touch it. I hope that's something like that happens during the All-Star game. It was like swinging the ball around. And Durant throws it to Westbrook, and he's just like, nope. And I hope they just keep doing that over and over again.

I mean, he's so happy. So the All-Star game with Dorea... I forgot about that because that's inevitable. They're both going to be there, and they're both going to be on the court together. It will happen, yeah. I hope they both start. And you want Westbrook to just jump out of the way? Doreen's like just going to swing the ball around, and then he throws it to Westbrook,

and he just jumps out the way. No, I'm not touching that ball, and then just runs back on... Other big story last night, at least the ones that were getting passed around the most, were the surging 76ers and Joe L. M. Bid and... Did you see this where the whole Philly crowd was chanting, trust the process, and he was, like, waving his hands up like a wrestler? Yeah, it's fantastic watching this happen. I'm so happy for getting a little bit of fast.

There's nobody more fun than him going right now, right? Not a single person. Not a single person. Is there anybody? Can you fathom anybody else in the middle of two free throws, backing off of the line and then like doing the whole get up, get up, you know, like chant loud or like putting his hand up.

Is there anybody else in the league that would like put the cup their hand up to their ear like Hulk Hogan and then like, you know, try to rile up the crowd? I'm trying to think. Maybe like Draymond I can see doing that. Maybe I can see Draymond doing that. I think these two seven beaters doing it. It just feels happy and fun and free. That's what I feel.

feel freedom when I'm watching Joelle and get the ball in the low post with Draymond it just feels so I don't know that I could see him doing that. What about J.R. Smith? He's pretty goofy. Yeah, he is pretty goofy, but he's an NBA champion now. He's a little more He's changed since he got the ring. Well, he's been

injured, so we haven't gotten to see him. But I could if J.R. Smith did it, that would not be the most ridiculous thing I can imagine. It would not be ridiculous at all. all the all star all the all star voting is done and so that'll be announced rather soon in fact it's going to be announced tonight uh who do you want to see is there a i guess the biggest one most people think everybody knows who it's going to be in the western conference i think it's going to be kawai leon and uh and durant more than likely anthony davis and then you'll have westbrook and Harden or Curry if he wins the vote, depending upon those.

But it'll be between those three. In the Eastern Conference, it really seems like the second guard is the biggest thing up for debate. Like, it'll probably be Kyrie Irving and then whoever is next to him. Who do you want? You got like Wall, Lowry, DeRosen, Isaiah Thomas. Oh, out of those guys, I need Isaiah Thomas. I did, too.

I need him above everybody else in the all-star game. If you let him in there, he's walking away with All-Star MVP if he gets a chance. Him and Embed are the two guys, it seems like everybody wants to see. Yeah, it's great, man. They're so much fun, and they feel like they're not tainted yet. They're just out there bawling, and it's great to watch. All right, we'll get right back to it. First, a quick word from our sponsor.

Today's episode of The Ringer NBA show is brought to you by Dunkin' Donuts. your day with Dunkin' Donuts D.D. Perks on the Dunkin' Donuts mobile app. There's a bunch of benefits of DD Perks. The first being that you earn a free beverage just by enrolling. It also has on-the-go ordering so you can order ahead from your phone, speed past the line, in the store, and go. DD Perks members also enjoy special offers. You can even choose to pay right from your phone with the Duncan app.

D-D-Persks. Everyone deserves an upgrade. Download the Duncan app and enroll today. speeding past the line may not be possible at all locations. Visit ddperks.com for terms and conditions. All right, Shea Serrano, I asked you if you would come up with five non-obvious guys that you love in the NBA, or ones that got people that are listening might be surprised that you like. Who'd you come up with? This is a kind of surprise because he plays for this first.

Forgive me, Davis, just big and red hat. I wasn't paying any real attention to him until this game in December. When he got into a shoving match with like Michael Beasley or somebody like that, he got ejected. It was the first time anybody had been ejected on his first, and even Jackson did it like in 2012 or something like that. So I love this kid. I love anybody who gets ejected.

I don't know how great is at basketball, whatever. That's not important to me. I'm excited about him. So he's my first guy. Davis Bertrans from the San Antonio Spurs. He is playing, appears to be 9.8 minutes a game and is averaging three points a game. That's perfect.

That's a good one. I had no idea that you would like Davis Bertrand. I love him. Another one, Patrick Beverly, to watch. We get to go to Rocket Games because my buddy works for the Rockets. So he's like, you want these tickets. You want these relationships. But he's my favorite player to watch because he is.

He's like very clear in the league this year, which maybe isn't that far off and pinching and pulling and getting in the way. And he got a haircut. So give me Pat Bev. You know, it was a couple weeks ago I was watching when I said to somebody at a game, you know, there's sometimes with these guys, you feel like they're fake tough guys. And that if, you know, if shit really went down that they wouldn't be, you know, I mean, they're good talking on the court. But then somebody told me they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Beverly is the real deal. Like, he's from Chicago streets.

No, I'm serious. They were like, if something went down, you want him around. He's, like, legit from hardcore Chicago, and he's not to be trifled with. And I was like, really? Because he does kind of, you know, just kind of piss everybody off and then smile about it. And so you wonder, like, if somebody was going to throw hands, is he going to be around for? But I was told he's, like, legit, hardcore. Yeah, there's no there's no question about it in Houston.

I would not be surprised if Lubies in the parking lot of Luby's. I'm like, what up, Pat Bev? And he just was standing there holding like a baseball bat with a nail, like hammered through it, just like hanging out with that. I wouldn't be surprised he's just got a trunk full of baseball bats when nails hammered through them just because, like that's the kind of guy he is. And it's great. Those are my favorite kind of guys in the NBA, I think.

the guy that maybe he is the extension of like the spirit you need to do that list though sometimes right guys that you guys that you could see having a baseball bat with a nail through them yeah yeah yeah there's a whole there's a whole gang of him it's him david west and like two other guys probably all right davis bertrands patrick beverly guys that chaiseerrano likes uh that we wouldn't necessarily expect. Who else? This grasshopper. But this is the first year that he's gotten to play

like a decent amount of minutes on a decent team. I think over the last, he's finally playing more than 10 or 15 minutes a game. And he's been sort of showing out. There was like a year or two where you weren't sure if he was going to stick around. Everybody sort of knew his name from the Dunkin. He's got a, for like a good...

You like the Gerald Green story. He was in the D-League, for goodness sakes. I mean, he was a big-time pick, And then next thing you know, he's in the D-League playing on, I remember like one All-Star Week, I was flipping around, and NBA TV was running like, you know, D-League All-Star Weekend. I'm like, damn, man, there's Gerald Green. So he did, he fixed everything.

It took a little while, but he's got to, he's made a career for himself. Yeah, and obviously, you like the guys that sort of fight through it. So I'm rooting for him. So I've got Pat Bev, number four. I watched him last night, but I care about him deeply. I really, there was one year where he just destroyed the spurs. I think it was last year, a matter of fact. And I'd say destroyed in that he had like 17 points in one game.

And I was like, Andre Robeson scored in 17 points. It was like three points in a game. Since then, I've sort of been watching him and rooting for him. And I believe he's actually from San Antonio. I'm not mistaken. I feel like a dad when I'm watching him, and I want to see him do well. Is this what, is what upset? So this is what upset you last.

night. See, I didn't know you had any particular interest in Roberson, which I always, I always call him Anthony, which is the kid that used to play at Florida 100 years ago. But Andre Roberson, I didn't know that you had an interest in him. But then last night, that's why you were kind of pissed off that he wasn't ever shooting the ball. Yeah. And it was not even a pissed off thing. I was just bad for it. I was disappointed across for that. Davis Bertrands, Patrick Beverly, Gerald Green, Andre Roberson, and the fifth guy. that you like that we would not necessarily expect that you would like. I'm going to cheat here because he doesn't even playing the NBA

and a very specific thing. But over like the last three weeks, I've been on a very big 1988, as I watched the 1988 NBA finals a few weeks ago, and then ever since then I've just sort of been in love with him. He was fantastic. I knew he was good. But in 1988, I was seven years old, whatever.

I didn't start paying Finn until NBA to like middle. or he just wasn't what he was. And I've just been watching these old games. And, of course, you hear his name or you see him on TV and people are always easy to just, you take that into your system and it doesn't mean anything. But to actually watch him play in those games, that was a year when he put up 25 in the, of game six after it sprang to his ankle. Well, and the crazy thing is, right?

Because he, it almost feels like if Isaiah Thomas would have never played, if he would have never gotten into a job with basketball, everything about him would be different. I do think he would be felt, things would feel different about him if he didn't, like, you know, he had the sexual assault scandal and there was a sexual harassment thing that went on in New York, and he had the failure in New York management-wise, and then he like went and became a college coach. And I know he's on NBA TV and stuff now, but like it was like he was such a big deal off the court for so long. it's almost like it messed up the memory of him, right? Which was like this ridiculously awesome player.

Yeah, I think that's a big. Plus the other thing is right, he was awesome. He was kind of like the guy, the other guys hated because Jordan, like, remember, like stabbed, like made sure he wasn't on the dream team and all that shit? Right. Yeah, there's so many. I think maybe that's another part of the reason I like it

because you've got this one level of like, legendary figures like Jordan Bird and Magic. Like that's the top level of these guys. And Isaiah has never been able to get up there, even though he super desperately wanted to be included in all of that. But yeah, 1988, he was not 20. And they lost the finals, excuse me, they lost the finals that year.

And that game six, they were up three, two in the series, and he put up those 20-whatever. He just went nuts, like 40-something and double-digit-a-year. and it was an incredible game. And they lost by one. And then they lost in games. They lost. And then they came back in 89 and 90,

and they won those two years, but still 88. But, like, but... Well, and the crazy thing is, right, that you were saying, like, he's never really in that class with the other guys. Yet, unlike, say, like, Malone, Stockton, you wing, whoever. Like, he got his ring. Like, he won titles.

And, and, like, there's, like, a bone yard full of unbelievable players that, like, the reason they didn't win is because of Jordan. Well, like, they beat Jordan. Like, straight up. Yeah. They beat them. Yeah, the year they won, they beat. They went through, I think they went through, like, all three of them.

They eventually beat the Celtics. Another beat the leg is another big, a cool, crazy run. Here's the thing that I was thinking about, and maybe you'll have an answer for me. So they lost in 88, and then they won in 89 and night. Let me ask you two questions. You've been asking me, I've always got an end question. Here's first question for you. And he three-pits because he leapfrog up.

Isaiah gets three, and they come into three-peat. making them only like that third. If he had the chance, do you think Isaiah Thomas would swap his 88 title or his 89 title? And the only reason I'm asking those ones is because in 88 he got hurt. They played the Lakers again and Byron Scott was hurt. He didn't play the series at all. Magic Johnson pulled his hamstring in the beginning of game two.

You could argue they could have lost that year. If he could go back what you switched us to. On the first one, yes. you're in a totally different class if you get three in a row totally different class if you three-peded and I think two in a row

obviously puts you in rarefied air but it's been done right and doing it three years in a row is damn near impossible I mean you saw it with the you know we saw what happened with the heat you know and like you're just going to lose

it's umpore right like I mean even if you've got a totally awesome team we even saw with the Warriors last year. Shit, they won 73 games and lost, right? I mean, it's just super hard to do. So I do think, yes, if you win three, it would put you in a way different conversation. I don't, but I don't think you would trade 88 for 89

because don't you want to go back to back? I'd want to go back to back. At least because I do think that even, like that puts your team in a different, in a different conversation too, right? Like those bad boy pistons going back to back. Like, it's still pretty hard to do that. And winning two in a row, I think would be more important to me than winning, losing, winning.

He just seems sort of like a selfish person. So I thought maybe he would want that lure of winning that game six with a hurt ankle and going nuts. I don't, which has always been a little bit suspect. But don't you think, yeah. Yeah, but don't you think he still got the lore? I mean, hell, you're bringing it up on a fucking podcast in 2016. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah, I don't know how we got here.

No, it's 2017. And to your point about wouldn't you worry about the lore, you just named 1988 Isaiah Thomas as one of the five guys we would be surprised you're interested in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. All right, you got me. I think he did pretty good for himself. All right.

Speaking of 20 years ago, it might be longer than that, when one of the great basketball movies, White Men Can't Jump was made. There is a report, Shea, that White Men Can Jump is getting remade. Now, you do a lot on pop culture, movies, etc. This is like the intersection of everything, Shea Serrano. It really is. So I had to get your thought, like, I saw this and my immediate reaction was, no, dude, do not, don't mess with this movie.

Do not, do not mess with this movie. But I feel like you might have different ideas about how it could be good or no. Am I wrong about this? I think there's a natural recoil there. You hear that they're remaking that movie. And that's the, I think that's the number one. It's just perfect. All of the pieces are perfect.

Wesley's perfect, Woody's perfect. It's just all great. Everybody in that movie was exactly what they needed to be for it to be an iconic movie. So, yes, of course, you don't want to see them redo it. But I think you also kind of do want to see them redo it. Just to see how bad it's going to be, for one, I think it's going to be bad. But two, the person that's in charge, Kenya Barris, who's like overseeing everything. He's the guy who got everything.

That's the same guy who made the TV show Blackish. and I don't know if you watch Blagish or not, but it has turned itself into like one of the three or four best shows on TV right now. So I can't just automatically want to see it because he has proven. He might be able to pull it off. If somebody could do it, I trust him. I'm sad that Blake Griffin is involved. I think that he doesn't have yet.

I don't think he has the weight to straight to Kenya bear for it. You are. You're giving it a chance. I can't believe this. Yeah. And, you know, I did the same thing when they remade Kickboxer. I said, well, let's just hear him out. And it was fucking awful.

So the same thing is probably going to happen. It was really just, let's give it a try. Like, what's the harm really? Is there any movie that you would stay, like, that you would go to a war over that you are not remaking this? You're not doing it. Like, is there anything sacred to you? I don't think it's the thing about being sacred. I think if you've got a movie that you just really super love,

I love White Men Can't Jump. We're putting together a list of our favorite movies of all time. It's on my top three. So I love it. It is an unquestionably iconic movie for me. But I don't see the harm in it being remade because there are only two things that can happen if you remake something great like that.

Number one, it surprises you, It's actually good, and you can't believe that they've made it boosted up even higher. This will never be better than the original for all the guys involved with the original. And it's cool for me to be able to have that, like, oh, that validation that this movie actually was good. So I'm not super against it. I never watched the karate kid, like the one with Jaden Smith. Where are we at on that? Is good, terrible?

I don't know. Honestly, I don't know. Oh, man, it's good. It's good. It's surprisingly good. Oh, it is good. Okay, well, see, this is the example I was going to give. I've never watched it, right, because I loved Ralph Machio.

I had, you know, I acted like I lived in a dojo when I was a kid, whatever. And every time I see the karate kid on, I get excited, I flip it on, and it's that version. I'm like, oh, forget this. I get excited that it's going to be Ralph Machio thing, and then it's not. So that is the other pitfall of making a remake. Yeah, yeah, there is. The same thing happens with the Red Dawn. Yeah, you should watch it.

It's really good. They changed just enough of it for it to not feel like a rip-off. They gave, I mean, the kids are younger. You've got, you know, we've got Jaden versus Ralph. Like, it's just a cooler. It's a cool movie, man, and they did a good job. The weird part is that since the kids are so young, they're like middle school age, early middle school.

At the end, the sense of the main bad. kid tells him to break break his leg like oh shit you want him to break his sixth grade his leg like in this conversation like that was that was a heavy moment and you panicked a little bit you thought he was really going to break his leg but

it was good man you should check it out it felt a little more reasonable when it was high school kids yeah it was like okay cool like I can watch a 10th grader get beat up a little bit but you're watching the 6th grader get beat up and like this is

Maybe this wasn't... But overall, it's cool. Is there still a Miyagi? Is it a guy's named Miyagi or no? Oh, it's not a... They all have different names than that. Yeah, like, Jaden isn't Daniel, Daniel's son in it. Okay.

Jackie Chan plays a new Miyagi, yeah. And he's got a really cool storyline. Yeah, Jackie Chand does? And he's really good. His whole thing was his wife and his kids were killed in a car crash. And so the whole movie, they should. show him, like, working on this car, and he spends the whole year rebuilding this car and making it beautiful, and then on the anniversary of the car crash, he just breaks down and he

smashes it with like a sledgehammer or some shit like that, and then he spends the whole rest of the year rebuilding it again, and then he gets real drunk, and he smashes it on the anniversary, and, like, that's his life, and it's a really sad moment when it all comes together and you realize what's going on. That's the great storyline? Yeah, that's like, I mean, it was a serious movie in that moment. I think you were a little bit surprised that he's such a good actor because you're used to him like, you're used to seeing him use like a trash can as a weapon or something

in a movie. And then all of a sudden he's a fantastic, dramatic actor and you're just like bawling in a movie theater watching him break down. It's really surprising, man. Check it out. Go watch it. I'm going to watch it. I am.

I'm going to give it a chance. Next time I see it on it. I'm going to give it a chance based upon your recommendation. All right. So I'm terrified of the white men can't jump thing. Even though, by the way, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask you. You said white man can't jump would be in your top three. Was that just like a random hyperbolic statement or do you have like a top three?

My number one movie is blood in, blood out. It was a drama movie. Number two is a white man can jump. And then number three, I can sort of alternate between a few different movies, maybe blood sport. I really love the blood sport, and it was an important movie to me. But one and two, yeah, white mangan jump and blood in blood out. Give me those two movies. Is Blood and Blood Out on Netflix?

No, but it's on YouTube, the whole movie. It's a three-hour movie, but it's all on YouTube. Good grief. Three hours? three hours bro and it's worth it it's where your avatar i've seen them i well you know everybody has to say we're your avatar your twitter avatar and the amount of people that think that that's you on the twitter avatar is the most hysterical thing ever yeah it's it it always the only people who always know it's not me are other mexican people they're like oh me glow what's happening

and blah, blah, blah, because we know. That's like our version of the movie Bible is blood and blood out. But, yeah, white people, black people, aged people. They're super surprised when they see me in real life. Like, oh, shit, that's not you. You're not the guy from blood in blood out. I'm not the guy from blood in blood out, unfortunately. Last thing, you put up a story last weekend.

Speaking of dramatic moments, you put up a story on Twitter about your son defeating you. in basketball with a Pokemon ball. Now, there's, you have a goal, like one of these little goals that you put on the door, right? And then you've got... Yeah, that's right. And you say he dunked on you, he defeated you in said game, and then it kind of felt like you were blaming it on the ball. It's kind of like you were blaming it on the Pokemon ball

rather than maybe, you know, this was a moment. This was a moment where you got beat by your kid and you got to kind of own up to it. Yeah, I'm on my Russ of Westbrook shit right now. After the game, when they talked to him about Jaja hitting him, he's like, I'm going to get his ass back. That's what's up. Like, that's how I feel right now about this game. Yeah, we were playing. He asked if I wanted to play one-on-one.

So I have three kids of those three. He's maybe the most aggressive and, like, wanting to prove that he's the man of the house, I guess. So he's always, like, challenging me to shit. So he asked me if I wanted to play him one-on-one on one. their little basketball goal. They don't have a basketball for it. It's a plush Pokemon ball, a

polka ball, what it's called, turns out. But it's not just like a normal clutch ball. There's a weight in there. There's like a little beany bag so that it bounces when you throw it or something good like that. So you can't just shoot a normal shot. You have to like hold it in the exact right position. If you don't,

it just shoots off to the side. Like it curved on some knuckleball shit. So yeah, I was super surprised by that. And he was ready for it. He's throwing it three feet to the right and then it's curving around and splashing in, like magic. So I was like, when we started, whatever, I'm going to back him down. I'm going to dunk on him. I'm going to try to shoot these shots. But he got hot and he made a couple of shots in a row and so he tied the game up at seven and then he threw up these like two prayers and they both

went in back to back without me like able to block it. And now at this point it's seven, seven, and I don't want to lose. So I'm for real trying now. I'm like in a defensive stand in his bedroom with my forearm in his chest, like this sort of thing. And he just splashes two of them over me. And he's feeling himself at this point. His brother's watching up on the bunk bed.

And they're like talking shit to each other. Oh, that's my dog. So yeah, so he makes those two. And I go to get the rebound and the ball squirts out of my fingers because of that goofy weight. And he picks it up real fast. and I turn around to, like, oh, shit, he's got the ball. And by the time I turn around, he's already in the air. And it's, like, chest is in my face.

And he just dunks it on me. And we had to fight after that. Like, I was really ready to, I was like, no, this is, like, I'm trying to think up of a rule. Like, you didn't take it back. You didn't check, like, something, anything to save me. And there's nothing. And so, yeah. So I haven't talked to him since then.

That was a week ago. I haven't talked to him since then. The humiliation of this moment where you get defeated by your kid. Was this the first time you'd been defeated by your kid did anything? Didn't let him win, and he won. I was taking it easy in the beginning, but then by the end of the game, yeah, I wanted to win. And it was the first time I wasn't able to do it. And it was like this perfect confluence of circumstances where he just lucked his way into this victory.

I'll never give him credit for it ever. I'll never ever say that he just beat me straight up. But he did, so, yeah, it was the first time it happened for a rally. So let's say this afternoon, right? He comes home from school or whatever, and he's like, Dad, do you want to play basketball on the hoop? Yeah, I'm ready. I've been practicing every day that he goes to school.

I'm shooting like 80% now with the polka ball. I'm ready because I can't have him holding that over my head. I don't like it. I'm not. He's telling me to get him a juice. Daddy, get me a juice, and I just get up because he beat me. And I don't want it. So I'm ready.

I'm ready for round two. Is this one of the twins? Yeah, it's one of the twins. Okay, so does the other twin root for you or does he root for his brother? Oh, he very clearly roots for his brother. It's always them to against me. I've never had anybody on my team. Not even the little one, huh?

Not even the little one. I think the little one hates me more than the other two, which is crazy, because I'm like the nicest to him. But, no, I don't know. I'm alone in this house, Chris. It's not cool. Shea, good luck with your life. yeah thank you

thanks for coming on the NBA show all right I appreciate that my man so I'm going to do it for another NBA show we will talk to you tomorrow