The Ringer NBA Show - How Would You Draft an NBA All-Star Team for a Playoff Series? | The Answer

Episode Date: February 15, 2023

Kyle and Seerat examine the 2023 NBA All-Star selections and perform their own personal drafts with a hypothetical playoff run in mind. They dissect how the teams' on-court chemistries would mesh and pit their individual squads against each other. They end the pod by discussing 'Mad Men' and ranking the top Don Draper mistresses (50:16). Hosts: J. Kyle Mann and Seerat Sohi Associate Producer: Chris Sutton Production Supervision: Benjamin Cruz and Conor Nevins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What's popping, everybody? This is Logan Murdoch from Real On I have some big news to share. On Saturday, February 18th, the Ringer NBA show will be hitting the road for All-Star weekend for a live show in Salt Lake City. You heard that right. We are taping the pod in front of a live audience in Salt Lake next month and we want you to join us. Pull up on us at the stateroom in the heart of downtown Salt Lake. You can grab your tickets now at thestateroom.com. That's thestateroom. Doors open at 9 o'clock. Show is at 10. It's going to be a 21 and up event. come hang with the gang and chat midseason updates draft preview and even have a Q&A with us space is limited so grab your tickets while they last at the stateroom.com or click the link in the description of this show hope to see y'all in there folks basketball predictably understandably always eternally so freaking fantastic uh this is the answer my name is j Kyle man this is a show where we pontificate we uh what is it to play with our mustaches and ponder the greater mystery mystery of the sport. And I can't think of a better person, a saltier person, a person more in delusion about how good she is at basketball than the poet lawyer of Edmonton, Siritt's Sohi.

Siritt, it's good to see you. I'm ribbing you, but it is, it's a, it's a fine day to talk about some basketball. And how are you doing on this fine day? You know, Kyle, I thought you were going to come in with the mind games today. I thought you were going to try to be really nice to me. And I was prepared for that. What I wasn't prepared for was you just coming out, going for the jugular. Because that's usually just not your style. But I can understand it. We've had a few spicy back and forth.

And today we're actually, we're going to be competing. We're going into battle together. So I welcome the energy. I just hope that you're okay with getting it back, you know? Yeah, I think I behave myself most of the time. I think we've talked about this, rep, you know, The repartee thing. I do enjoy.

I grew up in a ribbing kind of family, I think. Not to tell me to tell you my life story or anything. That's not really relevant here. No, let's talk about your childhood. Oh, sure. Okay. So, anyway, no, I, no, I think unrelenting asshole was a phrase that got used a couple times over text.

And I just, I feel like we're in a great spot to debate and compete and build rosters. Today, what we're going to be doing is we're going to be, you know, a thing that they started doing with the All-Star game that I like. I don't know, you can chime in and say how you feel about this, but they've been doing the thing where they're doing playground style, basically, and picking the teams, going back and forth. So you kind of get an idea. There are the things that go into it. I mean, like, there's political stuff. I'm sure someone has gone through and, like, charted whether, like, LeBron picks clutch people or what. But in terms of, like, roster building, I don't think they go into it as, like, pure roster building. I'm going to

double back on that. I don't think they do. Do you, do you like this new one? way that they're doing in or how do you how do you feel about the playground style and the tweak that they made this year which is in person not over the broadcast i love it i absolutely love it i think just adding adding a little bit more drama to the situation is great uh i feel like they made it better every year because like at first they didn't do the picks and then they did it with a like tn t special with lebron and kd which was hilarious just katie's kd's facial expressions alone and just carried that whole thing uh the way that he just didn't want to play the game which with Chuck at all.

LeBron, just laughing because you could see that dynamic going on. It was great. And in person, it's going to be even better because, you know, we've all been in pickup situations

where you can end up being the last person picked. I've been the last person picked. And honestly, that's the reason that I'm standing here today. We're sitting here today. That's what pushed you into podcasting and writing was being picked last. Yeah, I wanted to prove them wrong.

Yeah. I depend on. the setting. I mean, like, no, I mean, I'm 100% like psychotic Kobe energy whenever that happens to me, even still. This happened to me the other day. I got picked last. I was like, you got to be fucking kidding me. And I was like just, I don't know, the people, the people that I play with at this one gym, they just all kind of start laughing because I kind of have this reputation of like, I just like, we'll talk to myself and be like, they did, they did X, Y, Z. And there's like, oh, God, here we go. I just, I don't know. I enjoy finder.

reasons to get riled. But if you were saying across the league, let's say we expanded this. Let's say we expanded this exercise of the players real recognizing real type thing. What player in the league would you trust the most to, I'm sure there's some obscure

answer like, what's his name that's working for the Hawks now, Landry Fields, who's doing perceivably a good job. Which player in the league would you trust to like pick a team, like build a roster? have a broader vision and do it.

Oh, that's a good question. Former players or current players? Current, current players. Current players. Okay. Oh, you know what? That's easy. I'm going to tie haliboran. Yeah, he seems like the most like thoughtful, conscious, like,

has his head about him. I mean, bright, obviously. Yeah, I think he's curious about how basketball works. Yeah, and plays it the right way. So he clearly understands, like, he likes the word that we, the forbidden word, spams good basketball just over and over again. Some might call that good habits, but I think he understands, he understands like the flow of basketball plays it right,

the right way. I've been spamming the gym lately. Yeah. Yeah. Good for you. Good for you. No. Is there another, I'd say other than Halliburton, I mean, I'm trying to think of another great example. Like, would you trust, do you think LeBron? You think LeBron would be a great because? I think we have seen LeBron try to build a team for the last few years and he thought that he could play with Russell Westbrook, he thought that surrounding himself with non-shooters was a good idea. So, no, I'm not necessarily going to pick LeBron.

As much as he is absolutely a basketball genius in this particular department. No, not really. I think I'd have to differentiate, though, because the huge factor here that can't be underestimated is, like, the hubris that comes with being a great NBA player, the assumption that you can make it work.

I think whenever, like, he's on a roster, his thinking is probably understandably clouded by like, okay, I've dragged, you know, some really rag-tag groups of guys to the finals. I don't know. I feel like that would be,

I feel like I would be more inclined to trust him if he were totally removed from the situation playing himself. That's a good point. Yeah. What about Draymond Green? In terms of just picking the team, I don't, I just feel like Draymond's interpersonal stuff would be really,

I would be like vying to like, bring my documentary crew around that experiment. It would be interesting. Do you think he would pull like an MJ and decide to not have Isaiah Thomas on the team, even though he should be on the team, just because he might have some sort of personal grudge? Is that what you're saying? I think Draymond runs so hot with so many people that he's probably used to having like really,

really intense incendiary relationship. So I don't know if that would matter or not. I mean, I'm sure he's petty. I'm sure he has pettiness in him. I think that would be a pretty safe assumption. But definitely, I don't know which players usually succeed at this. I mean, Jerry West has obviously has a long track record.

Right. But he might be someone who would consider the exception to the rule because he was such a successful player and a superstar. Yeah, I think that's probably true. Andreigodala would probably be good at it. He would. He would. So today, what we're going to be doing is Syriot and I are going to be picking the teams, basically. And I love this in-person dynamic. So what we're going to do is we're going to figure out who's going first, obviously.

But the premise here is we're not doing like a like a Rucker one-off all-star type thing. We're trying to build two teams that would play in a playoff series. And we're thinking, approaching it with our own philosophies, what would work? We're just going to kind of argue. And then we're going to submit it to the public when we're done to say which of us built the best playoff flexible roster. One of the other things here, too, is that we're not going to include, we made the tough decision. We're not going to include the injured players, the players that are out for extended periods right now. So right now, would you say, Zion's out, Steph is out, you want to include Katie in that as well, so those three players are off the board?

Yeah, players who aren't going to be in the All-Star game this weekend. Right. We wanted to be reflective of who's actually going to play. And we're also, correct me from wrong, but the idea is that these two teams would be playing each other. Yes, that is the idea in a playoff series. I was going to say, too, another thing here that a wild card would be that you can't, pick a coaching staff ahead of a player if you want. So Denver's coaching staff with Mike Malone and then Joe Mazzula with the Boston Celtics, you can pick those two coaching staffs. Not exactly like the kind that I would be motivated to be like this coaching staff would change everything. I don't know. I don't know how you feel about that. Do either one of those coaching staffs like blow your hair back like in a way? Why would I tell you that before the draft starts? I don't know. I'm just trying to like like. Like why would I pop? Why would I ever do? that. I was just trying to get you. You actually think I'm an idiot. Like, wow. I know we're just

going back and forth and everything. I thought I thought part of this was for the bit, but now I'm starting, you know what? I'm starting to say this little personally. I'm not trying to like pry or steal information. I was just trying to get you to maybe like pick up a jump drive that I left in the parking lot and plug it into your computer and then I'd steal all your information. I just, I was just curious to find that out. So let's figure out who, let's figure out who is going first. Let's say, Syrit, why don't you be, would you like to be heads

and I'll be tails? Is that fine with you? Sure. All right. Sure. Hornet leg, hit it. Do you guys ready? Yeah.

All right. Flip it over. I'm ready. I have tails. Okay, you got it. Your honor, your honor. All righty. So the first pick in this draft,

I am going to take Janus onto de Cumpo. The reason I'm going to take Janus on a de Coupo is because, and this is funny too, because. there's a sort of like it's different than like who you think is the best player. This is more of like who I would trust or who's playing the best in this moment. I don't know. It kind of feels separate from from the rewarding players in the All-Star sense. But, you know, if you talk about offensive engines in the NBA, he checks so many boxes. He's an offensive engine. He's super switchable. He provides incredible rim pressure. He's been in playoff series. He gives you

liability. I think Yana should be the first pick, and that's who I'm taking to anchor my team. Sirot, who are you taking next? That's a great pick. That's who I was considering taking him. Number one, I had a couple different guys on my board. Oh, you stopped just now. You were going to pick him first. You caught yourself. That was an admission. All right. So now I kind of have a rough idea of the landscape here. I had a few arguments against, but I'm going to save them for when we for when we actually do battle later on. But I was actually a little bit surprised. I thought you might take Joker. Yeah. Yeah, I had a feeling you might take Joker.

The two-way thing, yeah. Go ahead and make your next pick. Yeah, I'm curious to hear this. All right, I'm going to take Joel Embed with the number one pick. Joel Embed with, okay. Okay. All right, okay. Yeah.

You know what? I don't think Joel's gotten his flowers enough for the season that he's having. Just incredible across the board. He's picked it up defensively, too. It was like, you know, pretty much ever since the first few games this season, when he was dealing with an injury, he has been incredibly dominant. So I'm going to go with Joel. I think his playmaking has improved.

I think he'd be a great anchor. And I think he's hungry. You know, I only want dogs on my team. Yeah, got to have that dog in him. How much of a victim of circumstance, like negative, you know, injuries have kind of plagued him his entire career. Obviously, in the playoffs, it's been an issue. Do you think that we've kind of like, is it more like Joel has a hardened-esque kind of a thing

where Joel has failed to deliver? or do you think that the, to what extent do you think injuries have, like, prevented us from seeing, you know, the data that we would need to see to, like, properly give him his flowers in terms of, like, the landscape of the league. I think his career has been borderline tragic when it comes to injuries.

I mean, yeah. Especially last year. I think he was, like, pretty much at the top of his game when he got taken out last year. The Sixers look great. But I think, you know, I think people would make the argument that he's played with a lot of great teammates. But he's also been on the,

these Philly teams I've admired by so much drama all the time. And it feels like he's never really the reason for that drama. He is an incredibly straight up guy. I feel like he's very blunt. I don't think that him and Ben Simmons were ever really going to be a good long-term combination together. And now they have this team that I think could actually do it. And that's part of the reason that I took him to is that I've been impressed

with his ability to not only make plays, but to actually, you know, fit around Hardin. and when Maxie has been healthy, I know that's probably actually a podcast topic that we'll have later on this season, but he is, I think he's a guy who can actually just play around a lot of people and his in-between game is just unbelievable right now.

I think, like, you can go to him in the clutch in a way that you can't with most centers. So I just, I think it's been really unfair on him. He's improved every single year. He cares about the right things. He's a great two-way player. He just dominated Yokic, like,

a couple weeks ago in a game that I think, kind of like maybe flip the MVP race a little bit. So I don't know. Oh, you think so? I don't know. I think we didn't really see the effects of it, but I think it should have had some sort of an impact. The head-to-head thing is hard for me whenever it comes to like, I don't know,

like deciding awards, deciding. Some players just are, you know, have a certain style that hits them and it, like, affects them a different way. But this is sort of a, I guess this is a little different just because it's sort of a supremacy conversation whenever you're talking i mean those two guys are talking are like jockeying for the top of the mountain basically um in terms of the position um in terms of like joel's playoff flexibility i mean do you think uh let's say hypothetically is yonis guarding joel mbd do you think that like in terms of like defensive flexibility are they on the same level or what do you

what do you think between yonis and in a playoff i think yonis definitely has more defensive ability. He can guard one through five in a way that Joelle, I think, if you, I mean, Joel can basically guard one through five, but if you put the quickest point guard on him, he's going to have a little bit of trouble. I do think, though, he's so positionally sound at this point, though, that he'll probably come from the back and block them. But it's not like Janus, who is like, you're not even going to get into the pain. You know what I mean? But I think, I think Joel's rim protection, his drop defense is better than Janus's, though. And I think that he's just, you know, he might, I don't know, like, I feel like pick and roll, they're almost a wash.

How do you, how do you feel about their pick and roll defense? They're just so different. Yeah, they handle it differently. Yeah, there's sort of the, we talk about this, to bring it back, like, we talk about this in the draft whenever you're trying to project what got the ways that guys are going to play. And there's only really, this is like, this is a pretty rare species of big, I feel like, that can like do both, you know, that can, like, do both, you know, that can. that can solidly be like a switchable pick and roll defender and hold up fine and also play some drop and also do and can also like hard hedge they can also be disruptive and cover a lot of ground i just think yonis is probably healthy a d isn't it would be in the conversation too he's

not in this in this pool mowably will probably get there i think that he's destined to get there um it's kind of that garnet body i just think that they're they're a little bit different i'm i'm curious to see who you're going to pick to sort of support that to give you them some more flexibility. I hope that you make a bad pick because I want to win. My next pick is, might surprise you a little bit. I'm going to take LeBron. I'm taking LeBron at number three. Interesting. The ultimate litigator. I always say this, the ultimate playoff series litigator. I think that we've seen, we're seeing LeBron in his 38th year on this planet still be really productive. I don't think there's a better thinker in the game right now. I think that he's still going to give you a lot of

versatility. I think that Janus's mobility and his ability to like switch and cover ground can allow LeBron to be a little bit more of a free safety thinker. I think that he can and then be a facilitator on the other end. You talk about like the Luca, let's just start from this premise. Let's just say like the the the Janus, the AD LeBron pick and roll combo. You imagine that with Janus. You're getting similar lob threat. Like I already have presented you with a problem that you're going to have to solve, in my opinion. So like similar lob threat, more passing, more open floor speed.

I think you get the two best transition players probably of all time on the same team. Sir, I feel like you're up against it already. I think you got a big problem here. I think I've already kind of set the chess board where you're going to have to address these two dudes with your other picks. I don't want to give you anxiety, but who's your next pick? How are you going to address this? I mean, LeBron, does he need to be argued for in a playoff series? I just think he's a huge ace for me on this front.

That's interesting. I think that's a bold pick at number two in 2023. But I respect it. I see what you're going for here. I'm going to get weird. and I'm not going to get off of my original strategy. I'm going to take Yokic here. Really? Okay.

Yeah, we're playing incredibly big. Yes, I'm going to play them together. There's no reason that they can't play together other than that they play the same position. Embedd provides so much rim protection. They can both space the floor. Yokh is the best passer in the game, and he has never had a target like Embedd,

Mbid's just going to be eating. And they don't necessarily have to play and operate in the same spots on the court. Like, I, me personally, I love what I'm doing so far. Do I need to make the case for Yokic? Or can we just, can we just keep it moving? I think you can do, I mean, I think that people want to hear what's going on in your

heavy quotes, brilliant basketball mine. I'm just kidding. I can't, I can't give the bit going too much. No, I mean, I'm sure people would like to know why, but honestly, is it kind of a joke to say, like, hey, let's, let's express why Yokch would be at the, top. You talk about like needing to be proven. These guys are kind of sides of a coin here. Like I feel like the last, these two guys both as contemporaries, the last thing that they need to do is like get over the hump, as we talked about last week. They need, they need to get

that last gym on the infinity gauntlet to like to, and that's to go all the way to go. Hunger, baby. Hunger. No, but really. So one of the reasons that I picked Yokic is we've talked about this before, right? Like we talked about this in the, the caliber. Tyler Hiro episode about the efficiency of movement and moving the ball and being able to combine different sort of combinations on the floor. Now, I think if you're looking at a super team situation, which these, like inevitably these teams both are, right? You need to find someone who can be the glue, who can get off the ball quickly, who can be efficient in small bursts of time. I think Yokic is just the ultimate connector in that regard. He's going to find everybody on the

court. He's not going to care how many times he shoots, but he's never going to be be a liability because you can never actually leave him open anyone on the court. And if you need a bucket, he'll go get you a bucket. Yeah. You guys, I mean, you're probably going to punish us on the glass. I mean, you're going to run a little horns action with Yokic and, uh, and B, is that what you're thinking schematically? Is that, is that the first play out of the time, like off the tip for you? I mean, you're going to just kind of kill me with, well, I don't want you to, I don't want you to, I don't you to, you know, and I know you won't, but, uh, I'm just, I'm interested schematically where you're going to go from here. But yeah, I mean, Yokich.

Little high-low action, a little, you know, last year's, last year's Cleveland Cavaliers. Yeah. Larry Marking into Mobley type of stuff, but basically on steroids. Yeah, I was watching, the other day I just randomly was looking back over like tangoms throughout history for something that I'm working on right now. And I was watching, I just, people forget about like the Tim Duncan, David Robinson combo. It was a different era.

I mean, it's a different time. But just watching those two play high-low together was very satisfying from a basketball, all dorky standpoint. My next pick, I'm going to punish you again with switchability and shooting in this case. This guy has defensively taken a leap, I feel like. I think in terms of his paint finishing, I think in terms of his passing. I think he has just leveled up year after year, tough shot making, great size. Jason Tatum is the guy that I'm taking next.

I think that he would work perfectly off of these two guys, I think because he can attack the rim. So I've got three passers. I've got a guy who is a tough shot maker. I feel pretty good about this pick. I'm not going to act like Jason Tatum is my favorite player. I feel like you probably expected me to take Luca right there. But I think that he's going to be set up to play to his strengths in a way that would be really tough to reckon with, in my opinion.

I actually, I was going to take Tatum with the next pick. Okay, okay. Makes sense. Yeah, I went back and forth a lot between him and Luca. but I think just the incredible all-around season he's having the elite defense, the hunger once again, dogs only on this team.

Just, you know, situationally incredibly clutch. And I also, I worry a little bit about Luca on the defensive end. That was my question. You're going to go match up hunting. Yeah, that was your issue too.

Why would, you know, if Luca is, I think in our player rankings, Tatum is ahead of Luca. Yeah, what is our, why neither of us?

Luca with Yolkits and Embede would be pretty interesting. I don't know how that would. I'm sure it would work, but I don't know. I keep thinking about movement. Little digression. Did you watch Kyrie and Luca yet? Have you watched them at all? A little bit, yeah.

A little bit. Any like immediate kind of hot takeaways from that? I think we need at least 10 more games to see what happens. Yeah, yeah. But that was also on that note, one of my concerns, though, is just like, am I if I'm trying to construct a team of superstars, how much do I want like the guy who's breaking usage records on on my team right now? That's yeah.

I think like kind of like, say something schematic kind of pliability. How how willing are they to play different styles I do think makes a big difference? And that's something about Tatum Janus LeBron. I think you're extremely flexible. And also I'm going to be just punishing you with free throws like with my rim pressure. That's another thing. I'm going to be getting to the line a lot. Granted, you guys, you have two pretty good.

I mean, like, I have, I have like, you're just, yeah, exactly. Yeah, you have two, you're going to hit me too. It's going to be a sloggy game, I bet, you know. A lot of trips to the line, a lot of stoppages, a lot of chances to go get a drink, go get some popcorn, a little bit of a lot. It's interesting. Right now, your team is built to run, and my team is built for a half-court game. So a lot of it is actually going to be about who can dictate the flow.

I think my team is pretty half-court as well. I think that we would do pretty well. I mean, it's a team that has transition sort of capability. If I had Janice and LeBron on the same team, I would definitely avoid playing in transition. I'm not avoiding it. Honestly, you should consider doing this for a living. Oh, give me a fucking break. I don't think, no, I don't think that's a joke.

It's a compartment. It's a compartment of what I'm trying to do here. This team's going to be so disruptive. I've got two crazy anticipating players. I got room protection. We're going to get out and run. Hey, Yokic, hey, Embed, you don't feel like running tonight? Okay, we're going to have one game, I think, at least at home, where it's going to get loud.

We're going to be getting up and down. There's going to be frustration. Maybe Yokach and Embed start chipping, chirping back and forth at each other. I see us snowballing on your team in a way that would stress sort of the social dynamic. And I think that's an issue for you. I'm not worried about the social dynamic on a Yokich and Bede team. I think they're both pretty self-accountable guys. I'm just saying I could see a little I could see a little chirp and I could see a little bickering kind of festering up.

Yeah, you know, I just I think frustration here is is the fulcrum of some great things. You know, I'm not saying they won't get mad. They're gamers. Frustration is often the fulcrum of great things. You heard that quotable. We need to get one of those making a quote things for for that one. What's your six picks? I'm just trying to go viral. Yeah, typical. So, I mean, you honestly, you've kind of put me in a tough spot here because.

I know. I'm good at this. Oh, yeah. Luca is the obvious talent move here, right? He fits with a half-court style that I'm playing so far, but we're just going to get a little too slow. We're going to get a little too plotting. I feel like there are going to be some mismatch issues that I don't really necessarily want to deal with.

So I'm going to take a second to think about it. And I'll talk it out with you a little bit here. Your choices are going to change my choices, because you're talking yourself out of Luca is putting me in an interesting position here. So this is, yeah. Yeah, no, I'm surprised. I do have to,

I do have to consider the fact that if I don't take Luca, you are going to take Luca. That's definitely, that's definitely an issue. I am, I am quite, I'm very much letting that simmer at this moment. Your double big pick really, that was really, you came out of the gate with a, with a curveball that I didn't expect. I didn't expect you to take the two. I still feel pretty good about it.

You know, I think your team right now, I mean, other than, other than Yanis, I'm pretty, I'm concerned about your room protection here. And I don't like, and frankly, I don't think there's a lot of combinations in the league that could be able to handle both those guys. You know, I'm just going to jump in here and say I'm really surprised that John Morant still hasn't been drafted by either one of you guys. What's your hesitation from taking John Morant top five if you're building a playoff team? What would be your answer to that? My hesitation at this level right now with the guys that are still on the board is inexperience, usage, and just his inability to space the floor. Do you think that there are some sort of caveat walls that he still is going to have to level up and figure out as he gets older, basically? Is that kind of your thinking?

Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. Now, I might bite the bullet and pick Luca. Okay. The other guy that I'm mulling in this spot, which might feel a little bit weird, is Donovan Mitchell. Okay. Just because of the season he's had so far, I think he's put it all together in a way that really works for the playoffs. He's become a three-level score. He's shooting 68% at the rim, 50% mid-range shooting. He's just found a level of mastery in balancing and smarts and strategizing and the ability to play on and off the ball that I think really bodes well in the postseason.

he's just he's an impossible pull-up guy off the pick and roll I think like a yokech and a yokech and uh and donovan pick-and-roll is pretty impossible same with mbid I think it pretty much probably mimics what a hardened pick-and-roll looks like outside of the playmaking aspect of it yeah but I also think having joker on my team allows me to take some chances on on the defensive end too so you know guy like siacum guy like jacca guy like jose Bailen Brown, guys I might be considering earlier than I would in a normal circumstance. Is this all gamesmanship and you're not really considering them or is that like, you know, I'm just, I don't know. That's up to you to decide, really, you know. All right. Who's you picking? All right. You know what? I'm going with Luca. All right. Okay. She circled all the way back. I think. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, the fluidity of your team. I would say molasses would be a name. I would think. You guys, you guys are going to be, you're going to grind it in the half course.

for sure. I mean, this is... No one's going to guard us in the half court. No one's going to be able to do it. Yeah. It's going to be possible. It's going to be punishing. But skilled, I mean, you're big. You're sitting there at like 7 foot 2, 7 foot, 6, 8. So both of our lineups are trending towards size.

And Josh is one of the best rebounding forwards in the game as well. About playmaking. It would be fun. Well, you know what? I sat there anxiously as you described what you might do. because my next pick is Donovan Mitchell for reasons that make a lot of sense. Continuing with the speed and versatility thing. So now I have four pick and roll ball handlers on my team.

Now, they are in varying sort of like groups. You know, Janus is looking to get downhill. LeBron, same kind of thing. I've got mid-range. I've got, but I really, really need a movement shooter here because we need to have more wrinkles. You know, as I often say, you know, human beings typically like to have, Boyd wrinkles in basketball. We want to add them.

So in this one, we have a movement shooter. We have a pull-up shooter. He can stretch the floor out to, he's one of the most prolific deep shooters in the game, out to like range out to 28 feet. He's kind of taken up the Dame Lillard. I don't know if he's young enough really to say that he's like that taking something. It's not a generational thing. Anyway, I think that he's going to make us even more dynamic in a way that's going to be tough to guard.

So I'm taking Donovan Mitchell with my pick. Okay. I obviously like that. Yeah. I think that's a great pick. Yeah. I'm not trying to play games here. I'm not trying to get you to relax.

It's genuinely. It's a compliment. So far, you have not like thrown me off my plan at all. Like I, my plan is intact completely. So I'm not going to tell you what it is. But so so far it's going to script for me. Yeah. So who's your next pick?

Happy for you. Happy for you, man. Thanks. So, okay. Now I'm getting the position where this is, this is where I really like having Joker because I think I can just do things

that are difficult for other teams to do. Now, this is a guy that I wouldn't necessarily pick on his own team. I have a lot of issues with this guy the way he plays on his own team, even though they're a contender and they went to the finals last year. I just think that he can, he stops the ball

a lot. I think he just don't love his playmaking sometimes. But I think Jalen Brown on this team. Okay. Oh, my God. He would just wreck. Yeah. He would just wreck. You could just shoot him out of a cannon off of like dribble handoffs.

He's going to hit three. You desperately needed to. I think you needed to pick the most switchable person left on the board. And I was looking down through here. Other than like Drew, I mean, you could have like just zagged and gone the total other way and just been like we got to get the best defensive like perimeter player on the board. That would be that would have been my only other thought for you if I was trying to fix your disaster of a roster. Fix my disaster. Which I'm going to.

You will rule the day. I think our offensive rating is going to be like 140 in this series. It'll probably be over in four or five games, I think. Oh, you think so? Yeah, I think you guys are going to be really winded too. I don't know. I'm just kind of feeling pretty good about our ability. And this is just five-on-five.

I just, I feel like I have three most unguarded half-court players in the game right now. True, true. I mean, I mean, you have that, but I mean, I'm worried about their flow and their cohesion. I think it could work. It could work. Yeah, I mean, I definitely worry about flowing cohesion on a team that has Nicolio-Yokish on it, for sure. He's one person, though. I mean, we'll, you only need one.

That's like what we've learned from the Denver Nuggets this whole time. Are you going to have Luca cutting? Are you going to just have him spotting up? The comment I was going to make about the Kyrie Luca thing was like, it was hilarious to me to watch Kyrie just play with all that frenetic energy. And then when he kicked the ball to Luca, it was just like, ooh, it felt like in a video game where you could like Max Payne where you could like hit bullet time. Like that's what it seemed like. I mean, I have to say it's better than them, you know, not passing to each other. We'll take that error.

It's good. What is it game two? All right. My next pick, speaking of, I might surprise you with this one. I'm going to take Kyrie Irving. I know that like, I'm going to take Kyrie Irving. I just won. No, you didn't.

You didn't. Defensively, we are a fucking rock solid. I think in this setting. Kyrie Mitchell back court for sure. Yeah, I do. I think that Mitchell is fine. He's going to hold up. fine. And then I've got three guys. I've got the switchability I need. I think we're good.

I think our ball pressure will be good in this situation. I think LeBron, he'll motivate Mitchell to play good on ball defense. I think offensively, this team would really, really flow. I've got shot makers at three spots, and I've got crazy rim pressure. I've got foul generation. I added it up. We would average about 27 fouls per game. I think that's conservative. I think that this team against your team would be generating a whole lot of... Yeah, I think Embedd-Yokic and Donchich would have you cleared right there. Pretty easy. We haven't even gotten into Brown yet.

Are you ready for my next pick? Yeah, I'm ready. Go ahead. Hit me with it. Okay. I'm going to take Siakum. Okay. Okay. Obviously, need some positional versatility. He can guard one through five. I think he'd play incredibly well off of Yokic and Embed. He's a great cutter.

He's great on his own, too. He can play with anybody. He's not going to bitch about minutes. He's not going to bitch about anything, unlike the guy that you took. And, you know, he just gives me a good balance, you know. I think he's a good playmaker too. So, yeah, I really, I really like the way things are shaping up for me. I think I've got, I think I've got a lot of spacing.

There's no one on my team that you necessarily want to leave open. See, Ackham is probably your best option. And he's not a great option because he's still a good shooter. And he's going to just move off the ball if you go off of him. So I don't know. I think you're in a tough, I think you're in a tough spot here, honestly. I disagree. I'm going to start building my bench.

Now, it's an infinite kind of wormhole where we could start talking about the combos if you go past. Probably the first five is the way to look at this so that we don't get some sort of like dissonant headache here. But just thinking about what I want to bring in, if I wanted to bring in like a change of pace player,

I am going to pick. John Morant is my next pick. I think that if we're talking about a change of pace, continuing with the speed thing, I think that this guy would get in the paint at will against your roster. John Morant, most exciting player at the game, we know that he's got big balls. We know that he loves a big stage, a big moment. John Morant's my pick.

Okay. I'm going to go with Bamatabio in this spot. That's a good pick. He spells Embed perfectly off the bench. They play very similar styles. If I find that anybody on my team is in foul trouble, if the Yoke experiment with Embed does take a turn. for the worst and I can put him on I can put him up there I would even toy with putting

Embed Yokic and bam on the floor at the same time and seeing how you how you work with that just to get confused me for a few minutes what's that just to confuse me for a few minutes I would I would be reeling I'd just be that you'd probably get 10 to 12 points just off of me being like what the fuck like that line up on the floor yeah I think we'd be before we recovered I think you'd be able to steal some some offense through that what would your what would your recovery strategy you do there? I feel pretty good about my lineup still. I don't know. I mean, I think we'd probably go change of pace like we talked about. I'd probably maybe throw Moran in there instead of Kyrie, get down. I don't know. I think we'd be fine. I'm not super worried about that. I'd be more worried

about you guys generating offense with that group movement. It would be a little bit of a, it'd be a little bit of a crowded elevator, I think. My next pick, we're talking about we added some change of pace. I'm going to add some more rim protection, and I'm going to pick Jaron Jackson Jr. here. So he's going to be my first guy off the bench of the bigs to spell Janus. I think that would counter your BAM auto bio move pretty well. I think I had some spacing there.

I feel pretty good about it. Nice. I actually, I was going back and forth between him and BAM at this spot. Yeah. And I ultimately landed on BAM because, well, Well, Jaron's going to be your first big off the bench and he's going to be your first big right back on it if you know what I'm saying. Well, I'm not worried about that. He can come in and play aggressively. I'm not worried. You know, we got some, we have some depth. We have some flexibility here. And I'm not, he can be himself with with lesser repercussions, I think, in this situation. Fair point. Fair point. So I'm going to enjoy getting the most efficient shot in basketball off of him a couple times before I send him off to the bench there. All right. So. Oh, I think this is a good time to also just, let's just check in on who is left.

Left on the board, Lowry Markinen, Anthony Edwards, DeMarre Dozen, DeRan Fox, Tyrese Halliburton, Paul George, Drew Holiday, Shea, Julius Randall, Jerry & Jackson is off the board. Dame Lillard is also left, and DeMontas Sabonis. Thank you, Kyle. At this spot, I am going to take one of our favorites, the player of this. podcast, essentially, who could also be the player coach? Ty Halliburton. For reasons similar

to Nicola Yokic, I think he'd be a great six man running, running this unit, incredibly smart player. He is one of the best passers in the game. He will find three-point shooters. He'll find you at the rim. He's just, not only is a great passer,

he's an efficient passer. We're just going to be, this team in general, I think we're just going to be wrecking the analytics game here. Daryl Mordy would pick this team. It's a good, I feel like if Siakum would be starting by like December if he was on this team in my opinion

on your team just because I think that he would give them the sort of looseness and movement that they would need and a good passer like you said and I think open threes would be huge for you, just my opinion. My next pick, Shea Gildes Alexander is going to be my next pick. Shea, I think, would fit

perfectly with this group. I think you could even I mean, LeBron's not as inclined to play five. I just think you could slide JJ, J, J, which is a more laboring way to say his name, Triple J to the five, and then we could bring him in at the one. I just think our, this is going to be like an incredible downhill pressure team, and I think you're going to struggle to guard us. So, Shea is my next pitch. She is a good pick. Not going to give you much in the way of spacing, but that's okay. It's also a little bit unproven, but, you know, I like him off the bench. I like him off the bench for you. We have enough proven on this team. We're good. I'm not,

I'm not hanging up on, this isn't, can Shea drag a team to a playoff win? You know, this is a playoff series win. He's, he's in good company. Okay.

All right. All right. I also, you know, to give you a little bit there too, just like when you look at what Shea is doing on the Thunder, which is a team that doesn't really have a lot of spacing outside of, you know,

basically Josh Giddy. I'm pretty excited for what Shea does on your team, honestly. Yeah. Well, thanks. I appreciate that. You're welcome. Who you got next?

With the next pick, I am taking between a few guys here, but I think the guy I should take is Paul George. I thought about Paul George, give you another big ball handler, give you another, you know, he gives you one of the better, still an incredible shotmaker, spot up player size. I think he gives you lineup flexibility. I don't know. I like the Paul George bit.

Based on what I have, obviously I didn't plan. for this bizarre team that I have here in front of me. Past the first five, that plan went all according to plan. I think I'm going to get a little more perimeter size here. So my next pick, actually strike that. I think I'm going to go with some defense here, and I'm going to take Drew Holiday next because I think that I'm a big believer in defensive. I think the more cards you hold in terms of, like,

defensive versatility in a playoff series, the more potent you are. And so I'm going to take Drew with my next pick. It's a good pick. You add some perimeter defense there. You're pretty good. You're doing pretty well on the perimeter defense front, actually. So we still got Dame on the board. That's pretty easy.

Okay. Big game, Dame, rolled back into form since his injury. We're good. Isolation score off the bench, movement shooter. Yeah, I think he might breathe a side of relief if he was playing with this team. You got dribble handoff guys. You got, I don't think he'd enjoy more spacing than he's used to having. I think Dame would do really well on this team.

My next pick is DeMontas Sabonis. I'm going to pick the second best elbow passing player in basketball. I think it's going to open up a world of things for us to do with our downhill guards and our shooters. I think DeMontas Sabonis would be an awesome counter, stylistic counter for this. I got a lot of good passing bigs. You do too, but I think Subonis would be awesome here. Sabonis gives me that moment when David Lee came into. like game, I think game six of the NBA, or game five or six of the NBA finals in 2015 after

not playing at all for the Warriors. And like everybody in Cleveland was really, really confused. And it actually just worked cheerily because of that. Yes. Change of pace, man. That's what it's all about. I think he'd be awesome. Who you got next? All right. I'm going to take between Edwards and Fox. That's a pretty interesting one. I really like how Edwards has played in the last last few months. I think for the dog factor, I'm going to go with Edwards. I just think he wants to kill everybody. He looked good last night. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And he's, you know, I think kind of similar to the SGA thing where I worry less about the inexperience on a team like this. I think his pick and roll game would just be awesome. And obviously, this is a team that is going to be very pick and roll heavy. Yeah. That's a factor unique to this exercise, though, that we're like lightning the burden of

their actual team scenarios here. So remaining on the board here is Lowry Mark and it. and DeMarre de Rosen and Deere and Fox. So this is just sort of like stocking stuffer at the end. You've opened your presence. It's like, oh, hey, look, I got a shaming kit as an extra thing. That's more of a man thing there. My next pick, I've got shooting.

I've got a little bit of everything. I think I'm going to go ahead and just add some of this is just like, who's your least favorite. I'm going to say DeMarre de Rosen here. I get a little more shot making in size. Obviously, we know he's grown as a pick and roll player over the years. I think DeMarre would fit well with this group. Okay.

I'm going to go with marketing here. I just like the number of ways that he can score. I think he'd great on and off the ball. If I want to throw him on a lineup with Yokic and beat, I think they'd play really well together. I think he'd work well with Donchage. I think he'd work well with Halliburton. I really like the Halliburton-Marcine pairing off the bench, actually.

Those two could create a lot of quick, efficient points together. I'm going to go with those guys. Yeah, that would be a fun dynamic, a big improvement. And this feels like sort of a race for, like, who is going to get, you know, at the end of the pickup thing. And the last thing, the worst fate that you can have in like a pickup scenario, as they say, and then you guys can have. You know, if that sentence comes before your name, that's a low place where you're just like, who gets stuck with this person. I feel like that's going to be Julius Randall. We're just kind of whittling our way down to that moment.

So my next pick is going to be. going to guard you to death and I'm going to take Deeran Fox. I'm going to have the fastest team in NBA history. So that means that if I haven't made a mistake here, that means that you were going to have Julius Randall. I wish it was a mistake. Poor Julius Randall. Oh, man. Poor Julius Randall. He's not getting off this bench. Yeah, I'm going to avoid seeing him in Salt Lake City so we don't get punched. So to recap, my team, Janus, LeBron, Tatum, Mitchell, Kyrie, John, Jom, Grant, Jaron Jackson, Shea, Drew Holiday, DeMontas, Abonis, DeRosen, and Neerrin Fox.

And Searitt, Embed, Yokic, Luca, Jalen Brown, Pascal, Bam, Halliburton, Paul George, Dame, Antman, Lowry Markin, and Julius Randall. So we'll submit, I'll tweet out a screenshot of this so that people can vote. I personally think that we're just going to, like, fucking wear you guys out. I really think that this is going to be, I think we have... I don't know, honest, honest assessment, which team has more just categorized? Which team has more shooting, do you think, between the two? If we're looking at this down through here. It's probably you.

Honestly, you probably have an edge on me. You got Halliburton, you got spot up movement. Jalen Brown's improved a lot as a shooting as a shooter. Dame Lillard, obviously, Ant Man's growing into a shotmaker, Lowry. For me. Yeah, I don't, yeah. Bab is kind of my only non-shooter. That's true.

But I don't think any, I mean, I think I'm doing okay. I mean, Tatum, Mitchell, Kyrie. Yeah, you got me pretty handily. I just think that we're going to be, I think we have enough. Like, I just feel like we're going to get to the line. We're going to get downhill. We're going to be, I think. But which team you think is more likely to stop the other one, though, if you're just

looking, if you're looking at the adjustments that can be made in a series. I like my malleability off the bench. I think I added some guys that if you guys really do start getting to going in transition, I can put a stop to that with, well, I've got, I've got, I've got Siakum, who's one of the better transition defenders in the league starting. But, you know, I think with BAM, I think with Edwards even, I think with PG, I think I've got some good stuff to try to hold you off there. And obviously, Janus is just going to Janus at this point. LeBron is still a wrecking ball in transition, but his rim numbers have dropped off and he's a 32% shooter this year.

You've got two kind of, you've got two guys that, like, I'm not necessarily worried about doubling off of in your starting lineup. and you know with and you also you do make up with it but the thing that I'm worried about is one of the guys that you make up with Kyrie Irving who I just think you know the LeBron Kyrie Irving thing we've seen how it played out long term I think Yanis would absolutely like I don't know how Janis is going to play with Kyrie I think he could play with him fine I think I think in doses we could see Kyrie behave I think well you're only going to get Kyrie in doses that's that's the thing yeah it's true it's a nice luxury uh Yeah, I never really thought about that, how that lines up with sort of his personality. I think the Kyrie Yannis pick and roll would be fine. I think Handoffs would be fine. I think Kyrie can spot up fine. I like my shot creation. Yeah, there is an interesting sort of stylistic thing that runs throughout here.

Anyway, you got some ball-stopping issues outside of LeBron in that starting lineup, too. Speak for yourself. I think we got some fluid stuff. SDA will get off the ball. I think Drew will get off the ball. So bonus is- Your starting lineup. some good guys in your, it's actually kind of surprising to me for a guy who loves playmaking so

much. I feel like you don't have a lot of playmakers on this team. Did I divert from like, so that that's a good question. Did you go into this thinking you had an idea of like what my preference was and what I would pick? Like, because for me, it's a different, it's a difference between what I like to watch. I love to watch the Lucas and the Yokic's like the ball movement guys. But I grew up, I think we've talked about this. I grew up an offense person. Like I, I love to score. I didn't get interested in defense until I was a lot older. But your team for me would be like it's a hearthead kind of thing for me. Like I would I would enjoy watching your team play, but I feel like the head part of me is like the defensive part, which is kind of what made me. So I did

surprise you basically. That's what you're saying. A little bit, yeah. Yeah, I just I assume that we would think about a lot of things a similar way, actually. So I feel like we generally do that for the most part. My team is actually, it ended up being a little bit more half-court oriented than I thought it would be, but I feel pretty good about having basically like top five guys in isolation scoring and post-up efficiency too. So I feel pretty good about that. I've surrounded them with good shooters.

I've surrounded them with good defensive insurance. And I think I think Yokic and Donchich definitely need that. I think looking at my starting lineup, I would probably. end up staggering a lot more than I thought I would originally play some of those guys. You know, you want to give, you want to give Yokic and Bied and Donchich each. They're kind of individual time to cook. And you play Donchich and Yokic, you know, at different times. And you don't necessarily have to worry too much about the defensive issues either.

Yeah. I think, speaking on who was not on the board, I think Durant and Curry and Zion specifically were like three of the most interesting guys that you could omit. because if you added, if you added like Steph to your team, it would just take on a completely different vibe. Like you would just add all this pressure and spacing. And similar things with like Durant and Zion too. I just think those were two really interesting,

two of the best shot makers, like ever to live. They can play in like literally any style. Do you get into the All-Star game? Is that typically when you were growing, you started watching basketball in like what, 2016, 2017? Did you Did you I mean have you been like a

An all-star game kind of fan How excited do you get about it? Sir it? I'm not I don't care for it Honestly Yeah Not not bad Sorry

No it was it was one of my favorite events Like my It was a yearly VHS record event for me Like and I would rewatch it over and over again Oh yeah yeah yeah I watched the 90s to 98 All-Star Games. Yeah, I had a place in the floor in our living room where I sat.

My mom would get mad at me. She'd be like, sit somewhere else because I would get the rug. I sat there so much that I got there. There was like a spot you could see. Of course, I probably wasn't a very clean kid. But no. Was it in the year sitting too close to TV days? Sure.

Yeah, of course, I needed glasses and I didn't realize that until I got a little, like in my teenage years. But no, I think I watched the 98 All-Star game conservatively a hundred times. I mean, I've seen it so, so, so many times. That was when, you know, Jordan and Kobe kind of were going at it. But good times. I thought it was funny. One of the things that we were talking about before the show was I was teasing you about being like the Mad Men meme champion as I was ranting to you about something on Instagram,

which led me to something that I wish we could discuss at length and in depth. But the Don Draper mistress draft. Yeah, we were just talking about who is the best. for Don Draper. I don't know. I kind of came away thinking that we're both kind of Fay Miller people, right? Who is your number one pick

in the Don Draper mistress draft? I like Fay. I think she's a little bit too much of a fixer for Don. I think Don needs a little bit more space. He needs a little bit more freedom in order to just, you know, I think he's somebody who needs to decompress every once in a while, right?

Like, he is going to disappear. He's going to go to California. and I feel like Faye's just going to ask too many questions about that. I feel like she definitely has the emotional intelligence to understand him, but I feel like the moment that he started being honest with her, she started being like, oh, well, you can do this, this and this, which is great. But I think that someone like Rachel has a little bit more sensitivity about what it is that he actually feels.

She's a controller too. I think they have more interesting conversations. I think that he would be engaged. by her depth and surprised by the things that she says in a way that he wouldn't necessarily be with Faye. And I also think that Faye, you know, Don is like your classic avoidant, right? Faye was so committed to him that I think he was immediately just out. He got scared.

Like, it would be one of those things with Rachel where I don't think he would ever really know how Rachel felt about him. Like, you know, she's not somebody he could like manipulate like Betty. into like thinking that he was a perfect guy and wanting to stay with him. She saw him. And I think that deep down internally, that's something that he really needed. But at the same time, she's someone who would keep it interesting enough that he would, he would stay.

He would stay just because he would know that he doesn't ever fully have her. You know what I mean? That's interesting. But you also think that you were talking about being a fixer. I feel like Rachel Minkin was like a pretty controlling, you know, hard ass. Like I don't think she would put up with the shit. I feel like that would be a problem for him. You thought she was controlling?

No, I mean, I think if they got into a relationship, I just think that she would, she would, like, put a hard line on his bullshit, like, almost immediately. But you think the unattainability was, like, really, I don't love how quickly we got into this. I don't know. We don't have time to do this today. We don't.

We don't. I was going to say, but quickly, yeah, Susan Farrell would be my next big. Yeah, but, anyway, our Dondry. Wait, who is she again? That's the school teacher. Oh, God. Fuck no No

Oh my god She was like she was more She had more like Arrested development than Betty did in terms of like acting like a child That's true That's true And she's she was like probably more committed to to Don than Than Faye even was anyway

Oh she was like a she was like a wounded bird In the words of Albie White Lotus like she'd totally be Albi's type You're just kicking my ass with like relationship emotional intelligence now This is like this is like she's watching I'm not dropped that I was built for it. Yeah, Sir, it's like, no, this wouldn't work for like X, Y, Z. And I'm like, uh, no, yeah, I'll, I'll,

early season, Midge would be interesting, but I think Midge would end up leaving him because he would be too controlling. Sure, yeah, Midge, I don't think Midge counts anyway. I think she was, she was sort of, uh, she was, she was an outlet for Don. I don't know that she was necessarily someone that he ever actually considered. Not that they aren't all, but. It was a fantasy. It was so clearly a fantasy in that situation, whereas in some of them,

he convinced himself in a way that it was real. How many times have you seen Medman? I couldn't possibly tell you. It's same. It's one of those annual, like, it's one of the things that I, like, annually get the temptation to rewatch, and I'm just like, I have to watch something else. I can't watch the show again. I find it, like, there's something, I don't know if this is good for the pot or not,

but there is something, like, depressing about the show to me, specifically when I was, like, working in advertising where I was just like, is this what it's going to be? Like, is that you just kind of just toil from, level to level and client to client. Yeah, I think it's an inherently depressing show, actually, like, because of, because of the advertising aspect of it, where you're like, you're, it's generally, I feel like it attracts people who are creative, but then, like, get attached to, like, the safe route that they know

is not going to actually be fulfilling to them, but is good enough that it doesn't actually force them to make a change in their lives. That's essentially kind of what the show is about. One thing I've always had a qualm with, though, is, like, the idea that, like, the show was trying to tell you that people don't change. It's like, no, it's a show about people who don't change. Just an important distinction, in my opinion. Second surprise of the pod, neither of you guys talked about Sylvia, Linda Cardinelli. Like, that might have been my favorite mistress. She's like the John Morant to this list, I would say. How is Linda Cardalini's, how is Sylvia Rosen, like, John Morant, Chris? Could you enlighten us on that? I'm curious.

Well, here's the thing, man. Freaks and Geeks to me is one of the best shows ever. Hell yeah. Anytime that Linda Cardinelli shows up, I'm like, oh, I'm with it. So you love her enough not to say her name correctly, though. Linda Cardellini, right? Is that right? Am I wrong about that? Well, I'm looking at it right now. It's Cardinelli.

Is it my wrong? That's why I've always said it. I could be wrong. I love it. I correct people. I think that would be a pretty strong Don Draper tactic right there to, like, say her name incorrectly over and over again as a way of throwing her off her game. Yeah.

Meg and I say that's what the money's for to each other all the time. That's one of our referents. Yeah, I don't really count Bobby Barrett. That was more of a, I don't know, that was like a hate fling. And then I think, but I think we got them all. Yeah. It was. The Barrett one was interesting, though.

I think that was like his attempt at trying to nail down the professional and the romantic at the same time and kind of fall into the fantasy of that, which Fay was in, I think, a more sustainable way. But Bobby and Don knew they were having it. fair and they knew it was temporary. There was never any guys of, yeah, there was never any guys. She says it to him like in the beginning of one of the scenes. And she like to go home and be good and be, yeah, anyway. It's a very good show. It's a very good show.

Yeah. That's such a good line. Before we go, I got a shout out one, another line. And this is why Don would stay. Like, just Rachel saying, you know, the Greeks say, the Greeks have two definitions for utopia. One is a good place and the other is a place that cannot be. Like, Dawn would just spend a. And like I think he spends like the next 24 hours thinking about that and then coming up with the best commercial he's ever come up with.

Totally. Totally. There's some incredible scenes in that show. I do think there's an interesting parallel between. And this happens on a lot of shows though where like there's instead of like a big bad where in like Sopranos, like there'd be some cameo character that apparently had existed in the universe forever. And we just never heard about them or saw him like Feetelman or or what Ralph Sivorelli or whatever it is. And then, but for Dawn, every season, it was the, it was the mistresses. Anyway, love Madman, love Madman.

So we'll tweet out our rosters and you give us feedback on how you think that that would play out. Reminder that this weekend, I don't know if there's any tickets left, check and see you, but we're going to be doing a live show at the State Room in Salt Lake City downtown. So that's going to be on Saturday, February the 18th, and that's going to be at 9 p.m. So come out and see us, say hey. And, Syred, it was good to see you. good to talk roster philosophy with you and all other things. We will be back. We're going to be having an off week next week and then the week after that we will be back. By the way, for everyone

who's voting, just remember that while Kyle doesn't hold a grudge, I do. She is fearsome. She is fearsomely petty and yes, vicious. Yeah. Do not be on the other side of Sirius. Wrath. Yeah. Free Kyle. All right. This has been the answer. We'll see you guys later.