The Ringer NBA Show - LeBron Defends Bronny—and Are the Warriors Just Scratching the Surface? | Real Ones

Episode Date: March 8, 2025

On this Friday edition of ‘Real Ones,’ Logan and Raja open the pod by discussing LeBron's confrontation with Stephen A. Smith after the Lakers defeated the Knicks in OT on Thursday night (1:07). Was LeBron in the wrong for walking up to Stephen A. in defense of Bronny? The confrontation overshadowed what was a great basketball game. Has the Knicks’ offense been exposed to being Brunson or bust (15:28)? Logan and Raja then play a game in which they explore what they're seeing from specific teams and whether those teams are peaking too early (31:46). How do Steph and Jimmy balance their coexistence on the court, as it has been helping them win? The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hit the mailbag! [e-mail] Hosts: Logan Murdock, Howard Beck, and Raja Bell Producer/Audio: Clifford Augustin Video Producer: Victoria Valencia Additional Production Support: Keith Fujimoto Social: Keith Fujimoto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello there, friends of the program. It's Tate Frazier, and it's officially that special time of the year where we go on a March through Madness Together for the 85th edition of the NCAA tournament. What makes March so special, you ask? Well, it's the unknown. It's the fact that this is basically Survivor on a basketball court on CBS without Jeff Probes. And no matter how much you prepare, you can not predict this kind of chaos. And that is what we will be covering on this podcast, one shining podcast, all the madness,

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Roger Bell there. Friday vibes. I'm going to talk about peeking down the stretch today and which teams are doing the right things down the stretch. But first, this came down. I just saw the video earlier. I'm not sure if Roger saw the video. but I do have a question for you, Rajah.

And it's more of just an education. I'm not sure if you saw the Stephen A, LeBron James Exchange, that is going viral. Okay, okay. That is going viral this morning. And it has to deal with LeBron confronting Stephen A court side and in Cliff's words, crashing out, as the kids would say, on Stephen A. And it's alleged like that it's based on comments that Stephen A has said on first take. I don't really watch first take like that.

But he's basically been going in on Brani. And the question that I have, because I think this is a very nuanced thing to talk about, right? On one hand, Stephen A has been talking about how basically stuff that has just been out there that other people have speculated about that Brony is in the lead because of his father. and, you know, all the storylines that come with that. My question to you, though, Rajah is, like, Brani is not just LeBron's son. In this case, he is a basketball player and a professional basketball player that is subject to scrutiny of all kinds, right?

Just not only in this media landscape, but in media landscapes for decades before him. How do we talk about this? I don't even know how to talk about this situation because on one, hand, Brani is LeBron's teammate, but he's also his son. And Brani is inherently going to be talked about for the rest of time because of that. I just don't know how we tread these waters, right? Like, LeBron can't go after everybody that's saying the exact same thing. And I just don't know how we go through this. I just want to talk this out because I have no idea how we do this. Yeah, I don't know either. I,

saw the comments and so then I went I went back and I kind of looked up some of the the Stephen A. Smith comments on Brani and LeBron and I actually did watch the first take segment today just to kind of see how he was going to address that. You know, ultimately I think Stephen A was right when he went on this morning and said that the person that was talking to him last night was not the NBA goat potentially. This was a dad. This was someone that was in his feelings and feeling very protective about a child. And for those of us who have children, you know you can get that way.

Like none of us are above that, like when you feel like they're threatened. Having said that, I don't believe that Stephen A, from what I could find on record, from him having said, I don't know that he crossed any lines. He was just kind of stating facts. And they never really went after Brony in terms of the human being, what he could potentially be as a player one day, given the opportunity and the time. It was more along the lines of LeBron put him in the crosshairs of scrutiny and media scrutiny because of things that he did. And if I'm, if I'm I'm being honest, what I took away from it, like, after I distilled it all and watched it again, was, I think that probably hit LeBron kind of in the spot of truth, you know, where he upon reflecting was like,

look, yeah, I wanted this for Bronte. Like, it's all, it's all there the comments that were made, the about drafting him and about him being better than some people in the NBA right now and just his, you know, like, you put him in the position to where he is on an NBA team and you two are living the dream. And nobody begrudged you that. I was on here saying it was a beautiful moment. Like, that was really cool to watch. Having said that, he's an NBA player. And when you're an NBA player, I've, I've said this a million times as others have. Like, you sign up for a certain amount of scrutiny, for a certain amount of living in this fishbow and just, you know, sometimes because of your level of fame and inability to maneuver around and do the things that ordinary

people get to do because of your celebrity. And so I don't think you can have your cake and eat it too if you're LeBron. Like you got what you wanted. Your son's playing in the NBA. I having kids and being in front offices when we as a staff were evaluating players, you're always going to like so, okay, so let me. When I sat in the front office and I didn't know this, someone asked me the question and it was really kind of rhetorical. They were just trying to, you know, give me the information. They asked, what is the number one coming out of the womb, a percent increaseer of someone being a pro athlete? Like when they're little guys, before you can even tell anything, like what would give one kid a leg up on another kid?

And it's if your mom or your dad was a professional athlete. Like that's a factual thing. You have a leg up already. And so I can understand someone taking a swing at MJ's kid or a LeBron's kid or any other professional athlete's kid, given apples to apples comparison. Right? Because you're saying, hey, man, I'm going to roll the dice on somebody who's been raised in that, who's got someone that showed him the way, you know, all the things that go along with that. But in a lot of instance, the argument was like you weren't comparing Brani at the time as an apples to apples to other players that might have been warranting that type of drive. position. And I think if you look through the numbers and the and you know the the the the time at

Southern Cal and stuff like that, I don't believe a Stephen A to be wrong on that. I'm also not mad that he's in the NBA and LeBron was able to kind of dictate that. But then you don't get to turn around and say you can't talk about the situation. I don't I don't think you're allowed to do both. I think this is this has to be an interesting time for LeBron James just all the way through, right? because this is a guy that has so much power. I don't think that there's been a player in NBA history that has had as much power as he has had, right? To get the Lakers, not to just put him to draft Brody as like just some two-way player, right? Or just pick him up as a free agent to draft him and give him a fully guaranteed deal, right?

After all of the other things that LeBron has like been able to do to get his son, the opportunity. that he has because like let's make no mistake like there's a lot of opportunities that lebron that brawny has gotten because of lebron james i mean that's just an equivocal fact but you're talking about how lebron is getting pushback guys like lebron ain't used to getting pushback on on anything right just for the the immense power that they hold so i got to think that it is something that is jarring for him that he that he is going through and also like let's give respect to the fact that he's that he's that this is pretty unprecedented, right? Like, no one knows how to deal with,

there's, no one knows how to deal with this because it's never happened before. Like, we could talk about Ken Griffey Jr. and Ken Griffey, Sr., but like, King Griffey Jr. was that dude coming into the major leagues. It's, it's, it wasn't that Ken Griffey, senior was like, yo, get my son. Nah, King Griffey Jr. was going to be a top pick.

This was, this is a little bit different. And I think LeBron is now going through just a, like a, a jarring thing. Like the first time he's gotten, like he's gotten criticism, but this is a bit different. This is something that hits home in a different way. And I got to think this is something that I don't know if he wasn't expecting, but he's going about it like he wasn't expecting this, which is very interesting.

It's very, it's very interesting, Logan, because, you know, as parents, you know, we live our life. Like, let's say me, for instance, I lived my life. life and got to live my dream, right? And I did that for more time than I ever thought I'd have an opportunity to do it for. And then my kids come around and I'm living vicariously through them, watching them try to live their dreams. And again, sometimes that hits you harder and you're even more proud and you're even more excited and you're even more nervous for them than you were when you were doing it. And I say that to say that LeBron's only seen the NBA through King James spectrums.

Like he's only seen it through those goggles, right? The treatment that comes along with that, you know, the things that you're privy to. And that's his reality. Well, now he's getting a dose living through his son at the same time, like simultaneously is wild. But like you're also watching your son live a very different reality of an NBA life. A very, I mean, but you can't even say journeyman at this point, right? Because the jury's out.

Like the jury's out. I don't say that to be disrespectful, but like, he's so early in his career that you don't really know if he's a journeyman or not. We're so in the case of like he's going to G. League games, right? Like, he's still finding his own path. He's not like, he's treated like a star because of his dad, but he's not going through that. He's at the bench. Yeah, but the criticism, the debate as to whether or not you should be on a roster. Like those are things reserved for the me's of the world. Like LeBron never lived that. And having to live it as you're through your child vicarious. as he's going through it is a really wild dynamic. And it's really interesting. And like I said before, sometimes what that child's living and what they're going through hits you harder than what you have going on in your own world.

Same exact thing could have happened to you and you might have been able to let it roll off your back like a water off a duck. Yeah. But it happens to your kid and, you know, you go into Papa Bear mode. You know, so like it's very, very interesting. I would just say again, and LeBron's smart enough to know this.

You're absolutely right. He's used to getting his way, not mad at him for that. Like when you have the type of leverage and you're the type of human being and player that he's been, like you have the right to be dictated circumstances most of the time, ain't nobody mad at you for that. But in this one, when you put him in the NBA and you get him in the NBA, and let's be clear, you got him in the NBA, right? Like, can we agree to that?

We can agree. I don't think this is really debatable, is it? once he's there that's that it's open season for conversation on on on what he's doing statistically what he's doing you know in terms of of a production as it relates to his peers and other people that would have been drafted in that class or in that area of a draft and and I don't think you can shield him from that at that point that once you've gotten there this is the holy grill we've gotten to this elite fraternity um kudos kudos

kudos to the whole game plan but now once he's there They are, it's open, you know, like people are allowed to say what they say. Yeah. It's because it's going to, the other part that's going to be wild to see is when LeBron is no longer in the league, right? Because you can't fight them battles on the court like that, bro. It's going to be a lot different when it's just Brody. We also don't know how long Bronny's going to be in the league, right? Like, we have no idea.

It's not promised. So the life of a player drafted. What number was Bronte drafted? 55th. The life of that. player without the name Brony James, all right, is very, very, very precarious as it relates to, like, being in the NBA. That shit is touch and go at best, you know? And so, that's why you see, when you see dudes make it out of the second round, they're like perpetually scared. Like,

LeBron, like, like, Draymond Green is perpetually scared of somebody taking his job. And he's Draymond. Yeah. And he's Draymond, right? Like, that's that outlier. Like the regular 54th pick is, is, you never heard of them. You never heard of him, dude. The G exists, but like back in my day, that was, that was, you probably bounce around in the CBA a bit. You'd be playing in the I, IBL a little bit. Like, you might catch on for a while.

Like, your life was when you say journeyman, like not a journeyman as, as an NBA player, like a true journeyman of a pro basketball player. Might pop off Europe a little bit. Yeah, man. Yeah. And so, you know, I don't know. what ultimately Bronny becomes. Like I too hope that he develops into a really good player given the opportunity.

You know, I was in the camp of people that thought it was a bit of a miss that you said, you know, when they weren't going to let him play in the G League games and stuff like that, because I think the development is key for him and getting on the floor and playing. And I hope it works. I hope he turns into a player. But like make no mistake, that pick, generally speaking, is someone picked in that area. The hit or miss ratio is. It isn't great.

I just think that like, I just, and I know it's not going to happen, but like, Verbrani, I just wish the lights went off a little bit for him. You know what I'm saying? Like, in a good way. Like, I wish that, like, he could kind of find his own way. And because, like, every good or bad thing is like on the top of my fucking Instagram feed. Right. But see, that's what, that's what, that's what, I think that's what Stephen A was trying to say.

Yeah. When he had, when he had that, you know, on his show whenever he was doing it and stuff like that, It wasn't a jab at Brani. It was more like, hey, because of LeBron, just being your dad, there's already so much, like, attention that's brought to it. And then when you kind of, you know, maneuver it around and work it and move a couple pieces, like those lights just get brighter and brighter and brighter. And again, I'm going to say, I think that was fair to point out.

Yeah. Let's talk about the game itself because I thought one of the great games this season, Nick's Lakers last night. Yeah. Wow. And I wanted to come into this discussion yesterday. I kind of like figured like, let's talk about, you know, what it's like to, during a stretch run and what it's like to be peaking at the right time or like not peeking at the wrong time.

And I thought this game was really a great microcosm of that because you have two teams that are that are going in two different directions. I mean, geez, pour one out for Jalen Brunson because that was tough. But you see the Knicks who played really hard last night, wanted to win a game on national television, against a top team in the league. They're not 0-10 against top three teams in the league after the last night's loss. And then you have the Lakers who seem to be ascending, right?

and it seemed to be finding themselves. My question to you is, I want you to get into the psyche of both types of teams. What are they looking, what are you trying to do as a Knicks team at this point like to get above water? And as the Lakers, how are you trying to

sustain this type of momentum? I mean, that's a good question. We waxing poetic on Friday, Rock. We locked in. That's a really big question. If you're the Lakers, I think the approach that I would be taking if I were them was we've won in a lot of different ways.

Like last night, I didn't think they were awesome defensively throughout the course of the game, but they locked in and really locked down when they needed to. And they just kept at it. Like it was one of those kind of playoff type games where you just keep at it, you just keep at it, you just keep at it, down 10 with like six minutes to go. And because you stayed with it, you got just that little crease of time when Jalen Brunson was off the floor. You caused some turnovers, bad possessions, and hit a couple shots. And now we're in the game.

Like, I think if I'm them, I'm saying, hey, man, we are relatively new together. And we are finding out something new about ourselves, like almost every game. And I'm excited about what this could look like if we just kind of make sure that we know defense is our calling card. And offensively, you know, I think they're exploring a lot more the the way that offense looks now. Luca has the ball. This is what I was talking about a couple weeks ago. Luca has it. He starts it. He gets it off of it. He gets it back. Right. Like he's he was kind of dictating what happens there and people are playing off of him. I think, you know, finding out how that works at its peak is important. You know how it works when LeBron has the ball.

and he's the driving engine of it. But like we want to be like this, this duality of an offensive team when we get into the playoffs. So like we can look like the one where Luca is the engine and we can look like the one where LeBron is the engine and just continue to explore those things. So I guess I'm saying a lot to say,

if we hang our head on this defense, and we know that's got to be our calling card because we don't have that margin for error. And we're excited about what we could potentially continue to build into offensively and finding different ways to win games. games. And so although it's late in the season and a lot of people are hitting like the dog days of it, for them they shouldn't be because this is like a rejuvenation. You've seen it in

LeBron. Like there should be a level of rejuvenation there of just energy and and spirit and excitement that kind of fuels them down the stretch, right? Like you probably see them getting better and peeking down the stretch. As far as the Knicks go, you know, I think it's, this is a tough one. But last night was a last night was who they are, right? Like in that they were scrapping and competing and, and controlling the game for most of it. Like they had a nice little buffer for most of the game. They kept the game grimy.

You saw Josh Hart all over the boards doing what he did. Like they don't have nearly enough outside of Brunson and Cat people that really can make the plays. You know what I mean? And so the Lakers did a good job on Cat last night. and he wasn't like he didn't have a big night. And what happened to the Knicks was they were, they were right there until that six minute mark in the fourth.

They were, it was closed for the most part. The Lakers had to have the run that they had when Brunson was off the court that last time to get back into the game. If they don't have that run, they're out of the game. And he went off the fucking court and nobody else could get a bucket. It wasn't even that no one could get a bucket.

It was that no one could get his teammates in a position to get a bucket or get a for themselves. And you had some loose possessions. The Lakers were back in the game. And that's the Knicks to me, right? Like, there's a lot of good. Like, I really like them. Kat solved a lot of that when Kat's playing well and they're playing off of each other.

But if any one of them is kind of taken out of the game for whatever reason, the other ones, you can't sit. And then you're talking about like the defensive woes that Brunson does have what he is on the floor, right? same with cat, right? Like, you have to mitigate that in a playoff series. Well, you do, but they weren't. I mean, like, they did a good job defensively last night.

Like, they weren't really exposed, but you're 100% right. In a playoff series, you would have to factor that in. But I thought they did good last night. I did, especially defending the three point line, too. I think they, I don't know the last part, but I think down the stretch, they held the, they were holding the Lakers to, like, sub 30% from the three. I mean, they were like one for 15 for a minute, and then, you know, like, Dalton Connect hits a couple.

Vincent hits a few. Open up. LeBron hit two big ones. Yeah. What do you, so in a perfect world, what do you want to see out of A team? Now we're talking about just in a general sense, what are you trying to look for around this time of the season when you're heading into the playoffs? Health. Health and good minute distribution so that I can, if I'm healthy already, I can make sure we stay healthy.

principles that we shouldn't still be having to have the same conversations as the staff when we get into meetings. Like by now, we know what we're doing for almost all situations. We've seen them enough where there's enough of a sample size, having played said teams. I mean, there might be one-offs if we're playing a Western Conference team and we're in the Eastern Conference that we don't see a lot. But generally speaking, you know, there are going to be mistakes made. but I just want to be able to see consistently that we're doing the right thing

and we understand what we're trying to do. I want to be healthy going into the playoffs. I want to get people as much rest as I can get them and still find way to win games. You know, and then for whatever it's worth, and this is the psyche of the team, I want to know guys are fresh mentally. I want to do what I can, you know, as a staff to not just keep them fresh physically, but keep them fresh mentally. Does that mean like player outings and stuff?

Does that mean like games? Could be. Like, shoot around. High jinks. Yeah, I think that depends on the makeup of your team, like who you have, the age of the roster, like what guys like to do together and stuff like that. Like, I've told the story before about, you know, going out to, like, L.A. with, with, when I was with the calves and I was supposed to have something going on

and Griffin company. And we were like, you know, let's scrap that. We're going to just take them bowling today. Like, you know, we got a lot going on. Like, stuff's heavy. What was that? And with the calves, when was that? This would have been, I mean, it was a year.

before we went was at 15 and we were out in l.A um we were talking about this like when brown was in Miami at that time was he in Miami or was he with the team no he was with the team he was with the team because I remember going out like we took him bowling um you know I remember going out we took him bowling I was the only person on the road trip from the from the front office staffs we took him bowling we did that um you know uh Kevin love was in a little bit of a funk so I had to call Kev and be like, hey man, you got, you know, that's kind of like, it was like home base for him. I think LA had, he played at UCLA and stuff like that. And so he wasn't at the hotel. So I had to call him and get him to meet us over there because, you know, I thought that was really important that he'd be

at something like that. Like, because that's where, you know, that's where like, this isn't about basketball now. We're going to hang out. Guys get a little competitive like that, that type of guy gets competitive about anything. So when you take him into another arena like that and they start talking shit about bowling and they're laughing and they're having fun. You don't get the same level of guarded like protection of turf that you do when you're in an NBA locker room. So like, you know, organically people get to see each other in a different light just for the competitor that they are. You know what I mean? So like, like I recall Kev Love and then we went about our business for the rest of the day. And I remember going out to dinner. And when I came back,

forget what hotel we were at, but it had a little courtyard. And the courtyard had like a big like, I don't know, a 20 or 30 person table out there. This was like 11 something when I was walking back. The team, not everybody, but there's probably about 12, 10, 12, maybe 8 to 12 guys sitting down there with a couple bottles of wine, just drinking wine together and hanging out, right? And that's important. Like that, now that wasn't this late in the season, I don't think.

But like something that keeps them if they're not connected at this point or if it's getting heavy if you feel the mood in the locker room, you know, just getting old because we are deep into a season. You just want to try to keep them fresh. What, whatever that looks like to you. I think you guys want to like a, if I remember that season correctly, you guys were shredding water throughout the season, right? Like it was like you guys were hovering around 500 for most of that season. And they went on a run. Like I think you guys won 50-something games. Yeah, that sparked the run. I mean, it wasn't the bowling outing and stuff. like that to spark the run, but that trip sparked the run.

Yeah, yeah. I think you got, didn't you guys play like Phoenix or some, I don't know. I advise Phoenix that trip or something. Did we beat the Clippers or the Lakers that night? It's so long ago, dog. But like we, that trip sparked, it sparked a run. It sparked a run that, you know, it kind of ties into what you're saying, right? Like, you want to be coming down the stretch.

You want to be playing good basketball. You want to be locked in. You want to be fresh. You want to be loving each other. you want to remind yourself what this was at the start of the season. Everybody goes to training camp. Vives are high when you get back to training camp. We all know what type of teams think they can win the championship when you get in a locker room.

Like I've been on teams where you were like, yeah, we can win one. And I've been on teams where you already know, we're not winning a fucking championship. So, you know, you got to remind yourself, you know, late in the season, man, what were those vibes like when we were in training camp, doll? You remember that? The energy was high. We were excited. staff. Yeah, yeah.

I remember, where we go to break, I remember this, this is giving me memories of like my prep career. And I don't know, I don't talk a lot about my prep career, but I remember when we, my junior year of high school, like, we were going, it's like, we were trying to, like, win state. Like, that was, like, our whole big thing, right? One of the biggest games that we wanted, that we had to win that year was against Pittsburgh High School.

And we had all, it was like a, you know, one of those early, like, non-league games where, Like, you got to have them. And we had all gotten sick as a team, right? So, like, this is around Monday where we're all kind of sick. Coach is just, like, telling us, yo, chug, this with emergency, bro. You're going to be good. So instead of practicing all week, we kind of just, like, chilled and, like, watched film, but, like, and talked shit to each other and just kind of did more cerebral things.

But that was the first time. It was like we were reintroducing ourselves to ourselves. You know what I'm saying? And we wound up kicking Pittsburgh. And it was like the biggest win of the season. And usually those games like you get really procrastated. Like we don't if there was if it was every any other weekend we didn't practice that week, I think we only did a walk through all week.

We would have been like, fuck, man. We're not prepared. We came in probably the most locked in we'd ever come in to the game. And I think it was like in a different way like how you guys were just reintroducing yourselves to yourselves like, oh, this is a team and we like these guys. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

100% and now that you now that I'm kind of like in this time machine and I'm thinking about the teams the good teams I was on later in the season we like so when you go to training camp like you're doing a lot of stuff together like every night you're probably well we were at this time like I don't know what today's NBA player does necessarily like but we'd be we'd be going out to dinner together like everybody's excited you know you got practice in the morning so you're in early but like you're you're hanging out and then you get into the season and you know everybody's got their their goals that they came into but you both from a team perspective and an individual perspective. And sometimes those can preoccupy you a little bit. You got stuff going on. But I always felt like late in the season, like this time of year, the better teams I was on, we started doing things together again on road trips a bit. Like we were going out to dinner a little bit more. You know, we were going out for drinks, you know, like just to go out and like in bigger

little groups and stuff like that. We were doing things to just stay connected and reconnect. And I don't even know if it was planned. I mean, I certainly wasn't the one plan in it, but it just kind of worked out like that, where we'd just be out like trying to have a good time, especially, you know, we don't have a game the next day. Like, and we're in a city. We're going to go out, try to have a good time and, and eat a meal together and laugh

and talk some shit just to just to be bonded, man, just to be bonded and remember that the end of the day, this should be fun. Sometimes the best strategy is vibes. And on that note, real talk. We're going to take a break. You can cash in on balling out with Fanduil America's number one sportsbook because every Friday night, the ringer is teaming up with Fanduil to give all customers 30% profit boost when you pick a player to score more than 30 points.

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you're going to tell me what they need to do and what they shouldn't do during the stretch run. Okay. Let's elaborate a little bit. What do you mean what they should do, like in terms of? I was going to let you just figure it out after I asked you the question. Oh, so you're just going to lob real vague, big, like, okay. You're, what do you want, okay, here we go.

What do you want to see from these teams and are they peaking too early? Is that okay. Is that work? Yep. Yep. I like that. I mean, I thought you could have did it the other way, but I'll give you, I'll give you some help. I thought you couldn't get it.

Maybe I'd do it the other way anyway. All right, probably. All right. We already talked about the Lakers. So let's talk about the Cavaliers. They are the best offense since All-Star break, 8-0. They're in the rosal zone of top 10. and offensive and defensive efficiency all season.

What do you want to see from this team? And are they peaking too early? No, well, first, I don't think they're peeking too early. I think, you know, this is who they are. I think obviously the addition of DeAndre Hunter has been huge for them. What do I want to see them do? Just don't fall asleep at the wheel. Continue to do what you do.

Continue to explore what you look like. Like with DeAndre Hunter, I don't think it's a mystery. Like he's been great. But like you can, it's not unlike the Lucas situation with the Lakers. Like, you know, you don't know what that fully looks like in this, in this much time. You understand what I'm saying, Logan? So not anything that would take you out of whack as an offense. You're not going to change who you are like with your DNA as a team or anything.

But like, he gives you another interesting matchup defensively out there and offensively for that matter. So I do not believe they're peeking too early. I firmly believe that this is who they are. If I had to say anything, figure out how to not get down early to Boston because that's not what happened the last time where you guys had to come back the way you did. I don't think that's a sustainable model. But just don't fall asleep at the wheel. I think the other thing that I would want to ask is you referenced Luca and you reference

DeAndre Hunter situation, right? When you're including a new guy into the bolt, how many of like, how many of those games do you need where you're grinding it out and you're figuring shit out where it's not as easy as it's supposed to be? How many of those games do you need down the stretch? If you're Cleveland, Lakers, or any of these teams I'm not to name with new addition. With new addition. Five? I mean, you want a handful of last night's games if you're the Lakers.

You don't need 15 or 20 games like that. I mean, you give yourself five, seven games where like these. are like tough physical possession by possession down the stretch type of games. Then we know what we're cooking with going into more of a playoff atmosphere, you know? So maybe seven to 10. Logan, like we're talking about how many games left. What are we sitting? Six to do right now for the Cavs.

So, I mean, you got 20 games left. I think it's unrealistic for half of your games to be like that. So I'd say like the seven games where we got to really grind it out. we got to really be sound principle-wise. We got to figure out who's going to have this ball late in the games and how we're going to act off of that. And then we got to win at possession by possession down the stretch, which is going to be like a playoff situation.

I think seven of those suffice. You're ready to come back to the Bay, Rock? You're ready to get on playing? Man, it's sunny outside, 70 degrees. Let's go back to SFO. Let's talk about the Golden State Warriors. What do you want to see from them? And are they, I mean, are they peaking too early?

are they right on time. No, no, no. Look, look, I'm going to say the same thing about all of these teams that had a major makeover at the trade deadline. Can't be peeking. I don't think you're peaking too early. Like you are just scratching the surface of who you can be. Now, you could make an argument that there's this honeymoon phase and that would be,

you know, contradictory to what I'm saying. But I don't believe that to be the case. Let me clarify, because I said you would get a honeymoon stage with Jimmy Butler, right? But I think that would last a while. Like I don't think that's just like a couple week thing. I think the honeymoon phase could be a season or two. Like do you know what I mean? Until, until shit, if he's locked in, it might be longer than that.

But I think the way they play, the style that they play is very sustainable. I think they do have to continue to figure out. What I would say to them is they have to continue to figure out in the games that we were just referencing, those seven like contested grind it out get a win they have to continue to figure out the ratio of stuff to to jimmy offensively right and and and really identify what jimmy does i would i would be giving real doses of offense to jimmy butler in situations so i figure out exactly how i need to use him like i'm dialed into who he is what he wants to do what we can can do to get him where he wants to be in tough situations so that when I need to pull that out

in the playoffs because the game plan was to stop Steph, we've got that figured out. We're not learning that on the fly, right? 20 games is more than enough time to do that. But I think they're fine. Like, I do not think they're peaking too early. I think the way that they're going to use Jimmy Butler, or the way they have used Jimmy Butler, effectively is they have put him in the middle of the key and let him go to work there. And they've also done it on the non-steff minutes. They stagger him and Steph now. And that has done wonders. I got some stats here. He's producing, Jimmy Butler is producing 0.210 winshares per 48 minutes with Golden State. The only other players that are doing that is Yokidh Shay and Janus Adedekumba. That's where he is at right now and the

impact that he is making at. this point. And but the, the thing that I think that is going to could hinder the warriors is if Jimmy doesn't stay healthy. Because you see when they played against Charlotte and he didn't play, they were a totally different team. Like they can still get offense, but their defense is so bad when Jimmy's not on the floor and Jimmy's not dictating things, right? And a bigger thing is, I think the warriors are also like, there's a lot of guys on the warriors that are just kind of playing, playing for their employment next season. You know what I'm saying?

Like there's a lot of guys like Draymond, for instance. Well, like there was a chance he was going to get traded in the, over this break. And if he doesn't, if things go bad, there's a chance he could get traded in the summertime, right? Like if this all goes bad, this team can still look very different. And I think a lot of people recognize that and are playing accordingly. You know what I'm saying?

I think you have a little more incentive there as well. Great motivator. Great motivator. You know what's crazy, man? Because that's elite company you just referenced with him with the with the 2.1 winchairs. I don't even know what the fuck that means. I really don't. I really don't even know what it means.

Like, I'm sorry. Can I be real? Can I be real? Yeah. I usually, I just wanted to get into my stats bag. But honestly, like, I just want to say that they're good. And I don't like, I can say that without stats, right? Because I know, I like the stats.

I just don't know what it means. I don't fucking know, bro. Like, in some ways, contributing to winning, bro. I could have just told you that he's been contributing to winning in the same way that, like, Janus and Jay are. But damn, bro. Like, I just tried to do. No, no, no, I was appreciative of the stat. I was actually going to say something about it when you dropped the stat on me.

Like, okay, we all here doing the research. We're doing the research. That's an indictment on my own ignorance. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what that. What is the win share? I don't know what that means.

How do you quantify that? I really, I should do some homework. I was not bad at math. I don't think I was, uh, not that bright, but I was like your trigonometry. Was your trigonometry good? You're, you're, or you're more of an algebra row guy. What? I'm 40, I'm 48 years old, dude.

I, I'm struggling with, I'm struggling with seventh grade math when Zen brings it home right now. You over here like, you get the readers are on when, for no reason when the, when the, uh, when when the math comes out, huh? I was good. I was good with them for a while. And then I don't even get started on. I'm very scared about when the math homework conversation is going to come on in the Murdoch Alson. I'm really scared.

I got two syllables for you. Two ter. Oh, fun. Let's get back to it. The Boston Celtics. What do you want to see from this team? What are they peaking too early? No, no, no, no, no.

They are. No, no, no. They don't have packed defensively since, since the All-Star break, five and two. They did have that loss to Cleveland after After what the hell See I was going to roast them but never mind after They lost to Cleveland Yeah yeah

They did they fumbled Did they deserve the benefit of the doubt that we continue to give them like Because I steal them on the fence of like Yo if they play against each other to playoff series I'm choosing Boston But like is that teetering for you or like Are they just in the weeds or figuring it out? Okay I'm taking Boston

Now Cleveland has I think closed that gap, but I'm taking, I'm taking, Boston, I'm taking the team that's done it before. I'm taking the team with the proven entities on that stage over and over again. You know, they fumbled the bag against Cleveland and then turned around and half the roster was out and Peyton Pritchard and, and, and Derek White both had 40. Hey, man. Hey, real quick, real quick. How wild is that?

I want to just give flowers to Peyton Pritchard. We haven't done that. I don't think ever on this podcast. But he used to just be the guy that would just hit the annoying-ass threes at the end of quarters, right? And then everybody in Boston would tell you, you know, look out for Peyton Pritchard.

Look out for Praden Pritchard. I think one of the funniest rumors I'd ever heard was, you know, Peyton Pritchard, if this doesn't work out, you know, he might want out of Boston. This was like three years ago. And I'm like, okay.

But now he's like a legitimate dude. He's all right balling his ass off. I mean, you saw him in the last year in the playoffs making big shots, but he's, like, carried that over, and he's kicking ass this year. Just want to give space to that. Well, no, absolutely. I think he's a, I mean, that's a testament to, like, him as a player. And the fortitude.

Yeah, but, but, and you got to give a lot of, like, you got to give a whole lot of, you know, a whole lot of praise to the Celtics player development, you know, in a way that we used to for, for San Antonio for so long. Like, Boston's doing a tremendous job there, not just in the skill set, but like Missoula and the confidence that he instills in guys to just go out there and play and let that thing fly and shoot it again. I don't like I don't care. I believe in you. Dan Tonyesque, huh? Yeah, 100%. Like somebody that frees you up to not worry about the mistake

because they have the confidence in you and you know that's that that you can play through some of those is huge. I also I also think he falls into a category of like, you know, not every NBA player is as good as him. But like you'd be surprised what. Some dudes can do, you know, that you don't think are great given the opportunity to do it. And so when you look at their roster, right, like not to make this a whole Peyton Pritchard thing, and you go down the roster of, you know, Tatum, Brown, Drew Holiday, Chris Stapps, Al Horford, Derek White, Peyton Pritcher to give you 40. We're getting, like, I'm sorry, I don't know their whole, I'm not going to get into their whole roster.

But those are all dudes in a series. I'm not even talking about defensively, which they've been known to be, like, versatile and highly disruptive when they want to be. But, like, offensively, that's a lot of weaponry. And so I just think they've played this season the way a champion typically plays a season, which is, like, we're not really tripping off of being the number one seed. We're not chasing any records or anything like that. Like, we're just going to kind of pace ourselves, pace ourselves, pace ourselves, and we know that we can at the end of this. And so, like, we'll just start picking it up. We'll start picking it up as we get down into the last month of the season.

Just, I just can't wait to see, like, Boston just become a fucking bully because they have that in them. Just, you know what I mean? Just like, and they're going to start doing it. You're going to start seeing it in the first round and as the playoffs go on. I'm excited to see Boston. Do you know how long it's been? I'm going to keep it a real. Do you know how long it's been since on a Saturday I built my day around a NBA basketball game?

Shut the fuck out. What are you talking about? What? Oh, Lakers Celtics. No, no, I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't, okay.

No, I mean, like, I just don't. I mean, I got too much stuff going on, right? Like, so like, I will tape a game. I am, no, Roger. Come back and watch it. But like, I have built my day around, like, I will be at home to watch that shit live. It's going to be a fucking movie. It's going to be a fucking movie.

Where is that? What time is that game? That's in Boston. Oh, 530. Oh, I'm definitely going to be watching that at the, um, at the Chasey Center. Definitely going to be watching that. That's, that was, it was funny because, like, the other week, who was playing? It was, it was Warriors, it was Warriors, uh, it was Warriors, uh, it was Warriors.

And it was the same night as like, uh, Mavs, Lakers. Literally no one was watching the Warriors game. No one in the stands. No one in the press row. There were just, hell of just, just phones and, and iPads. Just what's going to be happening. up tomorrow night at J-Sater. Two more teams for you, buddy.

The Denver Nuggets. We don't really, like, it is, like, we see Yokin's highlights, but then you look at their fucking, you look at what they've been doing, and it's like, yuck, right? Like, you see what they've been doing since the All-Star break. Very average team. Have the same problems that they've always had, no bench, relying heavily on Yokic. I know there's somebody that's going to be in our mentions from Diver. Like, what are you talking about?

This happened. This happened. this is an analytic thing. What about the wind shares? But no, like, I haven't seen. I don't know, man. I never get a good read on the Denver Nuggets. But, like, Yonk is great.

And, you know, that's cool. And I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what I would, I mean, you're not developing a bench. You're not developing depth this late in the season. Like, you've, you know, you are. Yeah, you either have it there or you don't. So, like, I can't tell you find that.

Um, they're not. a great defensive team. And forgive me if this isn't like, maybe try to find something down the stretch defensively that, that you can kind of disrupt and hang your hat on a little bit and just throw a wrinkle at people because, I mean, they're not a, they're not a, they're just below middle of the pack defensively.

So like, it would be something like that. You are who you are. You know what? You know what I tell them? Here's, here's your hope if you're Denver. that Yokic and Murray just find that magic that they find in a playoff sometimes. Yeah. I mean, that is your hope, if you're Denver, is that they find that magic that they can,

that no matter what you do to them defensively, they're playing off of each other, and there's no real right answer, and they've got you in this blender, and that Michael Porter Jr. is making shots. But the flip side of that is they get into a long playoff series. They win a playoff series, and they ask you tired. at the second round and they lose off of that, right? Like,

fucking didn't. I'm sorry, guys. Sorry all my people in a row. Yeah, that didn't, that wasn't super like, that's super enthusiastic about that. I'm sorry, buddy. I mean, I mean,

like, you are who you are. I mean, that's, fuck, what's fucking you want me to do? I'm sorry. Not sorry, but shit. Speaking of, sorry, not sorry,

shit, Milwaukee Bucks, who are, you know, finding something at the, uh, as we go to the backstretch of the season, I just,

there's just too many things for me with, and I'm sorry that I asked you the question and I answered it before you can answer. Go ahead do your thing. I just think with the Milwaukee Bucks, like, you're gonna, it's a hard time for me. It's, it's,

I'm hard pressed, and I know we had Austin on the pod, and he's a friend of the pod and all these things. He's just, just the cast of characters right now that are on this team are who they are. And until they prove who they, that they aren't who they are,

I'm kind of just going to just trust the process here, right? You got Doc Rivers who has had struggles in the postseason while everything that also said was valid. They're just going to have to prove that they can do it. But I just don't believe in them at this point, right? You have Doc Rivers as a coach. You have Janice, who's great, but is probably underachieve in terms of championships. And you have Dame, who's aging.

You have an aging roster. Are they peeking too early? you want to see from them, Roger? No, I don't, I don't know that they're peaking too early. I think they're another team that's just kind of, you know, doing what they do. They kind of under, yeah, they just kind of understand that as long as they keep themselves in a decent position, what ultimately matters is what they do in the playoffs. I'm just looking at the Eastern conference real quick as I go through this. Right now, who they have Indiana? Yeah, I don't, listen, I actually like Milwaukee. I think they're a matchup team.

though. I think, you know, depending on who they get, the speed of the game and so on and so forth, I think that kind of would, would in a way for them more so than other teams kind of dictate what I thought they could do in that series, if that makes sense. But I like them. They're, they're an interesting team. I don't know what they need to do. Forgive me. I think they just keep playing ball. Like, you're pretty good offensively. You're pretty good defensively. I think you're sitting at, like, 12 and 10. You're okay. I think they are, team that just not unlike Boston, there's nothing to prove in the regular season. You want to be playing good, solid basketball. Keep figuring out all of these teams. Again, I'm saying the same

shit over and over again, right? The Kyle Kuzma piece, you know, keep figuring out, you know, the minute delegation and how he fits into that. And then when you get into the playoffs, be ready to hit your stride. Like, be ready to be ready to go. Be ready to turn into Damien Lillard from a few years ago and peak Janus. And that's what that's got to be, right? Like, you know, I sit here and go over fucking X's and O's like the pick and roll. I watched them the other night. That looked fine.

I mean, Janus was, Janus was great. Brooke looked really good. Like, I can't point to anything strategically. I think for them as another team with some age on them and having been in those battles, a lot of guys who have been in the playoffs, like let's just get there. Let's get there healthy and let's be ready to go. Yeah. This wasn't on a list, but I want to shout this team on it. I think they deserve to be. Detroit Basketball! The Pistons who are now the sixth seed. And I think me and Clifford talked about this earlier, bro.

Legitimate shot to, if they stay in this in this seed, legitimate shot to beat the Knicks in a playoff series. and that Detroit likes loves more than beating the shit out of New York and I think that would be a really fun series what do you want to see from them I think they're peaking at the right time yeah I think I think

I would agree with that in terms of peeking what I'd like to see from them is just to enjoy that ride enjoy the ride this is this is well maybe people in Detroit were expecting I don't know how many of us before the season started

would have thought that they could get out of the first round. But I agree with you in terms of that matchup with the Knicks. I think I don't know that I'd pick them, but I wouldn't be surprised. I would. I'm not scary like you, man. If we did the playoff preview today, especially after Jalen Brunson, I would just be like, yeah, I'm picking the piston. Yeah, well, I mean, if Jalen Brunson's out.

But, like, I don't think Jalen brunson's out for the playoffs. Like, he rolled the shit out of his ankle, but he's going to be fine. You know what Cliff said? You know what Cliff said? I text the Cliff, and I'd be forgetting that, like, y'all are on the East Coast. I'd just be texting and shit during games. I texted Cliff. I was like, yo, this fucking Lakers Knicks series.

Nick's game is nuts. Cliff responds like early in the morning. I wake up to a text from Cliff saying until Jalen's, uh, Jalen Brunson's ankle fell off. That shit was hilarious to wake up to. Yeah. That's a tough. When you come down with nothing protecting your ankle ligament from the full weight of your

body and the force of it coming back to the ground, like usually your other foot is on the ground and you step on someone's foot and roll. it like that's certain amount of of of pressure but when you come down out of the air and roll it like that well that thing was ugly but he'll be he'll be he'll be he'll be right bro jalen did you see him down the stretch bro he was fucking he was hitting some incredible fucking shots dog that dude is so old man he's he's he's a magician yeah he's a magician um he's he yeah he what he does he's a magician bro but but but again i was watching it and i got the sense not that i want to go back to detroit but like i was watching that again and you know i'm watching that

watching the bigger and I'm sorry. Like I always, like I wasn't huge. So when I say this, like I'm, I'm indicting myself too. Like that bigger body 6, 7, 6, 8 like wing slash PG, a la Luca and LeBron. Like what they're able to do over the top

just with passing and stuff like that, it's, it looks so much easier than when jail. It's like a quarterback. It's like a six, six quarterback versus like a, like a Drew Brees, who's great. But like, it's just different than a Russell Wilson versus a Tom Brady.

Just because you can see over the line. Maybe. You know, it's interesting. I've heard a lot of them tell me, like, my buddy Danny Cannell I worked with was 6'5. He told me he never saw over a line. He was like, you're looking through windows in the line. He was like, I could, he's like, my linemen were 6-7 with helmets on.

I couldn't see over him, which was interesting. I just, I've never played it, so I don't know. But I just took away like, jail. I wish I wish you could have seen NFL raw, but go ahead. Sorry. Jalen's just, I mean, his looks so much tougher, which makes it even more impressive because of the size and stuff like that. But let me get back to Detroit. What I would really like to see them do is, and I don't know where their psyche is as a team.

I'm not around them. But now it's real. Like for most of this season, we're overachieving. We're having fun. Like we're playing ball. Like this is dope. And now you need to get like greedy. Now you got to lock in and get greedy and realize that you, you, you're going to lock in and get greedy and realize that you,

you could mess around and get a playoff series. And then who knows what happens, right? So like that now is time for that, for that magical ride, so to speak. And the vibes that are that to morph into like, hey man, let's get greedyy and let's go out there and get us one. And then we'll let the chips fall where they may and have a little mental shift in that, right? Kind of like Indiana last year. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, like it was ride. We were the darlings. Everybody was all cool. And to some degree when you're in a locker room like that, that in and of itself is the achievement. Mm-hmm. But like I'd like to see them like, hey, man. You know, it's like the same thing as when teams sometimes are chasing like the record.

Once they get the record, that was the achievement. And now you have that letdown. Yeah. Like I want to see them like refocus, get greedy. Hey, that shit was cool. But we knew we were going to do this the whole time. We're going in there to get a series. Yeah.

Kind of you want to see that. of the Rockets as well, but they're kind of, they're turning downward. We'll see what happens. All right. It's Friday, so you know what that means. Non-sponsored, real one of the week, which means it's all about the vibes. And Raja has to pick a real one of the week. I'm going to take his real one.

I'm going first. It is one, Russell Westbrook. I don't know if you saw this clip, this clip of Russell this week. But a guy came from Korea. I believe to go see him and this was like he was like a Russ stand it was like his fourth or fifth time

going to go see see Russ right and the nuggets did like a like I guess the nuggets I won a game and Russ got the the podium

or got the post game interview and they shouted the fan out Russ went over to the fan signed his jersey gave him a hug and was like thank you bro and it was really cool to see that we got Russ stands

out here, right? Like, that's just dope. Like, I felt like even during the peak of Russ's career, there was just such a gap, but there were a lot of Russ stands. There was a lot of Russ like non-stands. I mean, I know where you stand on the situation, but there was a real gap. It's really

good to see people get celebrated out here and also Russell Westbrook returning in favor. So shout out Russell Westbrook. Real one of the week. A great real one. Let me just say this. I'll say this again. And so we're clear. I'm not necessarily talking about today's Russ or even the last yesterday's Russ.

Three years, Russ. You've gone through a lot, buddy. No, I'm not talking about that. But hear what I'm saying. That mofo that was prime Russ, if you come at me, if you're in there are a lot of y'all, if you come at me with he wasn't that good, don't talk to me about no goddamn basketball. Don't talk to me about basketball. If you come at me telling me that that prime Russ and what that dude was out there

doing was not no to ride no fucking a you j you've lost all credibility with me at the Starbucks after the game no beat it beat it you've I see you um let me go with my my real one I'm gonna give co real ones I'm gonna give co real ones first first one is gonna be LeBron James um it's a multifaceted real one for having the the type of like season that he's having at 40 years old and doing shit that like I don't think we've ever seen or will ever see again from an NBA player at this at this stage of his career. Like unreal, remarkable stuff for being able to, for being able to morph as quickly as he has into an off the ball player with, with, with, uh, Luca.

Like last night he was off the ball a lot and has just figured it out like in a way that I didn't, I didn't know that he would. I give him a lot of credit for that. Um, and then lastly, this is going to sound contradictory, but you got to hear what I'm saying for running up on Stephen A. Smith last night. That's dad raw though. That's dad raw. Because that's your C, bro. And whether right, right or wrong.

When you out here about to fuck nuance. You about to get on, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. No, right. Right or wrong. When you feel like your kid has been threatened, you pop, you pop into that mode. And I think whether I agree with him being right or wrong for that reason, it was certainly real. So I give him real one of the reason. Sometimes you got to pop up a show. Show brothers, right? For sure. Now,

you got to do that. I do want to give a shout out. This was going to hit home, hit close to home for you and Mom Dukes. I'm going to get a shout out to real one of the week to one, Howie Roseman, general manager of the Philadelphia Eagles. He resigned,

like when no one else would even think about paying Sequant Barkley, and we all saw the, when we all saw the damn. We have Cliff in the chat. saying less fucking go. Yeah. Well, we all saw the giants in that debacle and the owners being like, hey, man, are we going to resign him?

He's our favorite, you know, he's our fan's favorite player. And at their GM, I don't remember his name was like, ah, nobody's going to give him that. And then the Eagles popped out. Why we're not getting hard knocks this year, which is fucking weak, which is weak. But, like, how he just said, look, man, this is culturally how we do things in Philly and they just rewarded the dude. Like, they just, they just blessed Sequin again. And Zach Bonn, I think, is that, is that how you say his name?

Bown, is it bond? Cliff, come on the pod really quickly. Cliff, but I just, yeah, before you go, Cliff, I just, why that's real one is because, like, culturally, like, you are, you are representing and letting people know what's important to you, right? It's, well, it is dollars and cents and it's a hard cap league, like, they represent what you want your franchise to represent and you want a championship and you're rewarding them for that. And I think that's dope.

Man, it's how we season. You already know what we're doing. Flygo's Flaggo, birds. Sequin got his bag. Jalen Hurst got his bag last year. AJ Brown got his bag. We got a bunch of young guys on their first contracts. They're all going to get their bag.

Zagbong, three years coming back. Defensive player of the year. Finalist definitely got his bag well worth it. Look, man, we just do things right in Philly. Well, the football team does at least. The Eagles, the Eagles do. The football team does at least. The basketball team, I'm not too sure.

I'm not too sure what's going on with that. But yeah, on the football side of things, bro, we're good over here, man. We try to run it back, trying to run it back. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Shout out to the real one. Shout out to the Eagles. Shout out to Philly Special podcast, huh?

Philly Special. Let's fucking go. Let's go. I don't want to say Joan because I probably will say it fucked up. So, you know, I ain't trying to like it. Wait, say that again? No, what? Hey, listen.

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of the fucking Augustine. I have to go work out and get my ass kicked at the gym. I will see you guys on Tuesday. I all the shit. Bye.