The Ringer NBA Show - NBA Offseason Winners and Losers, and Listener Mailbag! | Real Ones

Episode Date: August 9, 2021

The whole team is here on the ‘Real Ones’ season finale! Executive producer TD tells us all why he’s so mad (0:25), then Logan and Raja answer questions from The Ringer’s NBA offseason survey (2:30). Finally, chief meme officer and certified big shot Jomi Adeniran opens the listener mailbag (27:30). ‘Real Ones’ will return in a few weeks, but in the meantime, please enjoy all the other NBA offseason and summer league coverage on the Ringer NBA Show feed and ‘The Mismatch’. Hosts: Logan Murdock and Raja Bell Guest: Jomi Adeniran Associate Producer: Sasha Ashall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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He oversees the podcasts, which are our moneymaker here at the Ringer. Roger, I just don't, I just don't know why is he mad, Roger? Do you get a gauge on why he's mad, Roger? Let's listen to why he's mad, Roger. Let's listen. Yo, Logan, Rara, Sasha Mac, it's T.D. From the Ringer. And I'm going to tell you why I'm mad.

I'm mad because the NBA this offseason is not giving us that exciting player movement content that we deserve. Just look back at the last five years, right? Yet Kevin Durant, 2016, heading to the Warriors. 2017, Kyrie leaves the calves. CB3 heads to Houston. 2018, LeBron shows up in La La Land. 2019, Kuwait and Paul George team up with the Clippers. Anthony Davis also heads to the Lakers.

2020. Drew Holiday, which, you know, not an all-N-B-A-level talent. He's an All-Star. He is an NBA champion now and also an Olympian. Also, James Hardin, two weeks after the season started, he found his way over to Brooklyn. Now, 2021 so far, we got Lonza Ball, we have Kyle Lowry on the move. We have DeMarie de Morrow Rosen. Shout out to all of them. Shout out to the Bulls making moves. But that's not exciting. That's not what's going to make us, you know, tape an emergency podcast. It's not what's going to get this NBA. NBA Twitter streets popping. We need Bradley Bill to figure out what he's doing.

The Sixes. What's up of Ben Simmons and that trade? The Warriors, you're ever going to make a move? What's happening? Dame Lillard. What are you doing? It's Dame Tom. Time to make a move.

And that's why I'm mad. This NBA offseason is yet to deliver. And y'all need to step up. And now, Real Ones up next. What's popping? Real ones? Logan Murdoch here. Raja Bell.

Raja. We're about to go on hiatus, bro. This is our last show for a minute. This is our last, how do you feel right now? It's like, you know, a year and some change in the real ones was popping, bro. You feeling good? How are you doing?

First of all, first of all, I'm not trying to get all sentimental, okay? Because I'm not, you ain't going to have me on here tearing up, okay? Because we're about to go on hiatus and anniversary. I ain't doing that. But I will say this. Okay, I'm feeling kind of good this morning. You know where I was last night? Where was you?

Oh, where were you last night? You know where I was last night? Where was you at the Hard Rock Casino Hotel, watching Dave Chappelle, bro. Not only Dave Chappelle, but what's the brother's name, Dantel? I think it's Don't tell something. He was Ashley Lattery. Donnell Rawlins.

Donnell Rawlins. hilarious. Jeff Ross, is that his name? The boy that does all the roasts? Jeff Ross. Yeah, hilarious. And they all killed it. And so...

What's the process of getting this for you? Because I have a similar story because I've been in one of them's Secret Shepel shows. What was it like? How did you get the tickets? Tell me the process and getting in. What happened? What do you mean?

I wanted a ticket? Did you just, did you find, like, was it like a secret, like link or something that you found? It was like, oh, Chappelle, oh, no. You want to know? My mom, she's 70. She was like, Dave Chappelle's coming in town. We got to go. I'm like, okay.

I'm like, let's do it. Your mom's is. That's all the cool, bro. I would have never known Chappelle was in town. And then she hit me. So we showed up. But you had to get, I had to go over there at like 2 p.m. yesterday and get a rapid COVID test. If you passed the COVID test, you had to wait for your results.

If you got a blue ban, you were eligible to come back tonight. or last night for the event. It was supposed to be masks. It's supposed to be mask mandatory. Let's just say that was not enforced once you pass security. But good times were had. How long did you stay? Like, when did you get there?

How long did he go for? What did they go for? So, let's see. Nine o'clock, the show was supposed to start. We got there probably about eight because I wanted to hit a slot machine or two, like I haven't been out in a minute, so I was going to hit slots. Not much like live, no craps tables or anything. So I was going to hit the slots.

Nine, I think we got out of there about 12-ish. So it was probably a three-hour-hour-hour-shel. Oh, okay, cool, cool. How long does Chappelle go for? About an hour, hour and a half or so? Yeah, I would say, no, yeah, he probably went for about an hour, 45 minutes to an hour. Okay, he's a little volume. Right.

Oh, he's got it, buddy. He was going in. Dude, there was no cell, so you had to put yourselves in these little, like, pouches. And they got locked. Of course, yeah. So one asshole had his cell out, and, you know, it got hung up for that. And then there was a little fight on the other side. Like, you know, so there were a few breaks in the action, but overall, smooth show was a good time.

Remember one time I went to a Chappelle. It was a secret. It was a secret show. It was just one of those things like, it was like 2013, 2012, where they just, you get a link. If you get it in five minutes, you just get in, right? Like, it's one of those things. So me and the homie, you got two tickets. And we went to the show and it was standing room only and you're good.

You're good. They're not going to use that. but no I went to the stand it was standing only show in San Francisco and um there were two shows we got the last show which was dope because it was just him talking and I remember I was like it was like 20 maybe 1920 and I got to the front because I'm like yo I got to see Chappelle so I got to the front and I forgot that you shouldn't go to the front of a show any comedy show it's not something you should do because you're probably going to get roasted right so I there's a lot of stuff that he said and roasted me. It was funny. But the thing that I can tell you is that I remember is when he was asking me, he was like, hey, yo, you, you hoop? Do you hoop?

And I'm like, no, why would you think I hoop? And he says, motherfucker, you're 712. And everybody died laughing, including all my pond, is that he just like, we just had a conversation. It was a great moment. That was the most, like, PG thing I can say that he said to me. but it was an honor to get roasted by Chappelle. It was a fucking honor.

So like Chappelle, he always does a great show. He didn't even have a set. He just talked for three hours and it was great. He smoked like 87 cigarettes. Yeah, he smoked a lot of cigarettes last night too. And there are worse things to be roasted for than your height, bro. So like consider yourself lucky to be roasted by Chappelle and something, you know, as as flattering probably as your height. Can I touch on another subject real quick?

I don't know if you're a gambler. And since we probably are like light on material. right now. Can I just, can I just do what I do? Can I just go? Let's go. Go ahead. I don't gamble much, but I was, like I said, I have been at the house in a while, and I'm out. So it happens to be at the casino. I'm going to throw some money in these slot machines, right? So I find a machine that I like and I'm on it for a while. I go up, I go down. I, you know, I'm doing my thing. And at one point, I've got to get up because my sister is like nine machines down. Now mind you, I still have money in the machine, right? So I get up

and I just go over like halfway between like four and a half machines down to say something to when I go back and sit down. By the time I, by the time I turn back around to go back to the machine, there's a dude standing looking at my machine. And I'm like, my guy, I have, there's still money in that machine, man. So I sat down, continue playing for another like 40 minutes, right? With my family standing there watching me play these slots. Are you hitting? You hitting 40 minutes? You hit him? I'm vassal.

I'm up and down, up and down. Ultimately, I lost. But here's what pissed me off. This dude was only playing the machine in my estimation because I was playing the machine. And he wanted to piggyback off of me.

So what he did was he got a machine like three machines away, kind of perpendicular to mine, put his feet up and just eyeballed the shit out of the machine the whole time. My family didn't believe me. I'm like, my man, he is lurking. He's a lurker right now. He is waiting for me to get up from this machine. He's going to try to hit it.

Logan, 40 minutes go by. As soon as I get up to walk out, by the time I get up and turn the corner, dude has gotten up, cashed out of his machine, and he's now sitting at my machine. How do he do? I couldn't sit. If he had hit that shit and I was in his presence,

I would have, like, wanted to fight him. So I left. But like, if you're going to lurk, it's your right to lurk, but have a little decency about the lurking, right? Like, you don't have to run my nose. Is this got a etiquette, man? Come on, Larry David.

I need Larry David on this shit. For all my partner is in Summer League in Vegas right now, y'all take notes. This is, this is Summer League etiquettes, okay? If you guys are going to be gambling, you know, at the Rere or wherever to fuck you guys do that, there's some etiquette here, okay?

It'll be lurking. All right, man, don't lurk, dude. Don't fucking lurk, bro. All right, man. I like the segue, though. Summer League, we're in it. We're in Summer League, man. We're going to talk to Jomey a bit and a bit about Summer League.

He's really excited. about the Lakers Summer League team. I mean, there we go. All right. Jaylen Green's out here, balling in the summer league. It's been good. But listen,

there's a lot of other podcasts that you guys can go to there, man. I'm sure the mismatch and everybody else has it. Let's go into our bag, Roger. We're going to go to our summer bag,

which is free agency. And, all right, so we just put out something, put out a survey. The winners and losers of the 2021 NBA offseason so far, the ringer staff put this together.

And I'm going to, like we always, do bring the questions on the real ones. That's what we're going to do. I participated and a few other writers participated. So we're just going to run down these questions with me and Raj and we're going to figure it out. So, Raja, first question for you. Biggest winner of the offseason so far and your estimation. Who is your biggest free agency winner? Oh, man. Oh, I did it. I did it. I saw your face and I fucking did it. Go ahead. That would be the Los Angeles Lakers for me, man. It's a no-brainer. Ken, I'm not going to make this what I always make this.

Wait, you remember the scene? What was the scene, man? Oh, it was half baked. I'm back on my Chapoche. Where my man says, like, I'm not going to flip out. I'm not going to do what everybody thinks I'm going to do and flip out. Like, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to turn this into the Russell Westbrook.

Like, I'm not going to do that. But I still don't understand how all the, about all the hate. They are the winners in free agency, not just with the Russ signing, but all the pieces. And I get it. They're old and all that. but ain't no 22-year-olds out here carrying teams the championships point-blank period. So the Lakerson, man.

I put the, listen, I was, I was a little scared because I wrote on this, I was a little scared to even write this. To the point where I said on my question, I said, hear me out. I said, it's the Lakers who won this. Hear me out, hear me out, hear me out. So, but they, really,

they sign their best young player, Talid Horton Tucker, They got him for a good deal. They got rid of their most inconsistent player, Kyle Kuzma, right? And they didn't have to, so far, they didn't have to pay Dennis Schroeder. They haven't had to pay him a ridiculous amount. They also got Kendrick Nunn, Malik Monk, okay, for some solid deals. Yeah.

And then they got Trevallelho, Anthony, and Trevor Reza, who, by the way, I know they're old. I do know they're old, but were very solid in their roles last year and were what they needed to do. I'll take Carmelo Anthony in a limited role in the postseason. Fuck, yes, I will. And Dwight? And Dwight Howard? You got Dwight Howard back on a small contract? Yes. Who was a better, who we saw in the playoffs was a better backup to AD than Andre Drummond was. I mean, let's just be real. For the role that he needed to be, Lakers are the winners of this. I don't even think it's like really that close. And I really said, I ended this, Roger. You're going to laugh because I was like, I wasn't as confident as you were in this.

And this is how I ended it. I said, I could be tripping, but I don't think I am. Holl at me in April. Oh, you would. I'm not sure. I'm not. I'm not tripping. It was the Lakers, okay?

It was a fucking Lakers, bro. Let's fucking do it. That's it. That's it. That's it. I mean, I mean, just for, just for shits and giggles. Well, who were people arguing, Logan? Just so, like, who were people arguing had a better free agency than the Lakers?

Let's go. look. Jimmy Butler had a good offseason. That's fair. Got a bag. That's fair. The Bulls, listen, I love Syrit. Syriot's one of my favorite people on Earth. Siris Sohey. However, I'm not saying the Bulls won free agency by any stretch.

I'm not going to say that. Like, DeMarter Rosen got the bag, but like, I don't Demard Rosen, Lanzo. Who is, who else? I mean, I like it. I like it. I like it, but that doesn't make them a contender. Like, that doesn't, they got Caruso. on a sign and trade. Like, I mean, we're good.

We're good. I mean, there are levels of this shit, right? Like, that's nice. I like it. That's fine, but I don't think, I wouldn't say that they're the biggest winners of free agency by, by any means. I would not say that. I guess the Miami Heat too, but like the,

the Lakers have made themselves a contender again, bro. Like, they retooled Lakers. It's not even a question. But let's do it. Okay. So second question of the day. Who was the biggest loser of the off season, Raja?

the biggest loser of the offseason. See, that's, I typically just think team, but when you said, you know, I guess it could be a player as well, right? The Celtics? The Celtics? The Celtics are good. I mean, the Sixers?

I don't know. And I'm just talking about teams that needed to make a play for something. I know there's one, and I didn't put this one, and you're scared to say it. Pelicans, man. The pal, yeah.

The Pels? I don't know. These are deeper questions. I need a little bit more time with these questions, man. But like, give me, give me your case for the Pels. The Pellons is you need to like, you need to just make moves because of Zion's talent and his, his, you need to make moves that are going to put him in the best position to, one, develop into, two, develop into a championship roster around him because he has that level of potential.

He didn't really do that. in this one. It just didn't. It just didn't work out. That's fair. And this is in no defense. I'm not defending anyone. So this is his talent. Griff, hold on, hold on. I want to say, Griff, by all accounts, I'll fuck with you. You know what I mean? Like, Roger says you're a great person. Everybody says you're great dude and everybody says you're good at what you. I'm just saying this one, man. Because Griff, you know, we know Griff's friend of the show. Just didn't think it was a, I didn't think it was a good thing. But that's not even my pick. I didn't even pick that. I'm just throwing some shit out. No, no, no, I can dig it. I'm just, I'm just, I'm just kind of

I don't thinking out loud here about the talent that is Zion and not maybe. I've never, I've not spoken to Griff about that, maybe not even realizing that you don't understand what that talent is and what to put around it to make it a winning talent. Because talent is one thing, but a winning talent is a whole other thing. And getting the recipe right around it to help it win with such a unique talent. I mean, maybe that's what's going. I don't know. I don't know.

I haven't spoken to Griff about it. That's interesting. The biggest loser in this to me, it's not a team, it's not a player. It is an overall ideal. The biggest loser here is tampering. And the fact that we have to fucking look at this.

And for context, the league is looking into deals with, Lonzo Ball going to the Bulls and Kyle Lowry going to the heat, as if these deals were agreed upon before the moratorium, the moratorium. I got that. And if that was the case, short answer is,

duh, it was agreed to before the memorial. Duh, it was. We knew this. The morning of the memoratorium, before it was even going to happen, we got a woe-suite saying, hey, man, Kyle Lowry, the front run was to get Kyle Lauer

is probably the Miami Heat, wink, wink. Same with Lanzo. Chicago has interest in Lanzo Ball, wink, wink. Bro, there's tampering that happens

all the time in the NBA. And without, tampering, you can make a great argument has been great for the league.

If the tampering didn't happen, we wouldn't get the big three Miami Heat. Tampering didn't happen. We wouldn't get Kevin Durant on the Warriors.

Okay? If tampering didn't happen, we wouldn't have gotten um, LeBron's second go around in Cleveland. Let's just be real. All right? If tampering didn't happen,

you wouldn't have gotten me to the suns. I mean, you know, if you want to explain yourself. No, I'm not. I'm not. It's funny, I just threw myself in there with like legendary players that you just. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, this shit happens, Rajat, plenty of times beforehand.

And so it's a good thing for the league, bro. Let's stop acting like this shit doesn't work. And like I feel like the league picks and chooses when it wants to investigate this shit and when it wants to just give a slap on the wrist. Because that's essentially all it is. Why are we kidding ourselves? This happens all the time. It's going to continue to happen because everybody has cell phones and everybody has people

that want to get put on on a backdoor deal or anybody that want. This just inherently, this is a dirty game. So it is what it is. Free market, man, tampering. I like that. I like that. And yes, tampering isn't going anywhere. You know what?

How ingrained is tampering in the league? I mean, that's part of the fabric of the league. Like, it's woven into it. there. It's not going anywhere. It wouldn't be a league without tampering. There wouldn't be. Well, there would be, but you would have to stop players from communicating to not ever have tampering, right? This is impossible.

Which is, come on, man. What are we talking about? Their league will not be able to do anything about Lonzo Ball and, and Kyle Lowry. I mean, if they do, it's a really slippery slope that you're, that you're starting to try to walk on. I've told you the story. I knew I want, I knew I wanted. to go to Phoenix. I forget what year it was, like 05, 06. They were having a great season, Joe Johnson and all of those dudes. And I knew from conversations I had with friends on that team that they were interested in

me coming there and they were gauging my interest in coming there and then letting me know that there was interest from their side for me to come there. And we just had to ride that season out my last year in Utah. So like we, that happens all the time. I told the story before about when I was in Golden State, like rehabbing my wrist injury and not playing because the Warriors were really bad and there wasn't much season left. That's strange.

But no, I was also not healthy and I didn't want to whatever little stock I had. I didn't want to go out there and look bad on a bad team. That didn't make any sense for me. But my agent already knew what teams were going to be interested in me. And I told you, I've used all those warm-up sessions. No, this is why tampering, like, just on a basic level, and you're going to understand is, Roger, the reason why tampering is never going to go away,

say, Roger, you got an agent, right? Your agent also represents players on other teams and is in regular communications with other teams for other players. You mean to tell me on a phone call, if they're talking to, who else does your agent represent at the time? Manu Genobli, Lual Dang. All right, so they said they wanted to get you. to, they wanted to get you to the spurs something, right?

Like, say they just was like, you were like, I want to go to the spurs. Bro, you mean to tell me on a conversation when your agent is having with R.C. Buford or anybody about Manu, there's not going to slip in, hey, so, uh, Ra's is, you know, interesting. Bro, like, what are we doing? Like, what are we talking about? Okay. It's this is happening.

You know what, you know what you guys could do? Like, if you were GMs or agents or whatever and you don't want to be in this situation over and over again, stop giving Woge the fucking bombs. I have no beef with lunch. Just shut, shut up. How about that? You know people can't shut up in the NBA.

They can't, they can't, they can't, they, there's, it's not even possible, bro. I'm not even putting the F on it.

I'm not putting the F on it because that's how much I want to emphasize it, right? Because I feel like if I put the F, that's just me being who I am. Shut up. Yes.

I'm just like, yo, bro, Roger, you walk into an arena, people are begging to give you information. They're just like, just like,

whenever you go into an arena, they're just like, Yo, yo, did you hear what happened? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Somebody's just about to get traded right now. Like, dude. Yeah. Shut up.

Anyway, shut the fuck up. Just shut. I don't know about you, but I was shut the fuck. All right, all right. Next question. What's the best move of this free agency period? You can mull that over. I can tell you mine.

Yeah. It's like Kyle Lauer to, I just, I know the general answer is Kevin Durant, and they locked up the best player in the league. league for four years. That's been in the general consensus. I just like Lowry on the Miami Heat. I just going to love watching the Miami Heat go to the second round of the playoffs and lose and just losing seven games. I'm just going to love this. I love watching the Miami Heat play. I just, I love watching them play and I'm going to be curious to see Kyle Lowry go on the, on the Miami Heat. Who is the, what's the best move and the most savvy move for you,

right? That way, you stole my thunder there. Just tell the people that you're a Miami Heat fan, Like, you be saying all this stuff like you're not, and you are. You stole my thunder, bro. I don't hate on the heat, man. I don't love the heat. But, I mean, it's great. It's a better place to be when the heat are playing well. So I'm good with that.

The heat I'd imagine how you feel about the heat is how I'd imagine I felt about the Warriors, right? Where, like, they're not your team necessarily, but you're from the crib. That's what they're from the crib still. So, like, it's a funner environment when they're good. Absolutely. I think that. anyone who would have gotten Kyle Lowry, I would have said this about. You know, if you were, if you were missing that lead starting PG, like the Sons

wouldn't fit into that category because Chris Paul firmly holds that down. Like John Morant's team, do you understand what I'm saying? Like teams that have that would not be in the mix for that nod if they had gotten, if they had gotten Kyle Lowry. But anyone, and so it happens to be the heat, I just believe in Kyle Lowry as a player like that as a person like that and as a cultural kind of leader like that, you know. And for an organization that prides itself on the heatway and the culture that they establish, bringing in a leader and a piece that just ties it all together that echoes kind

of those same things that Jimmy Butler talks about and Pat Riley and Bam out of bio. I just think it's a win, win, win. And I think he's going to be really big for the heat. But I think he would have been big for wherever he went. Yes, 100%. Last question, Roger. Who is the title contended? This is like the second week in a row

we did like two early title contenders. Who's a title winner at this very moment right now? The title winner? Who's winning the title? This is a more interesting question than it's been in the past because I, Brooklyn is going to be there.

The question is the title favorite? Fuck that. That's not, that's too, that's too soft. We're going to say who's the, who's the title? Who's winning the title? Who's winning the title? Brooklyn is going to be there. Milwaukee is going to be there.

The Lakers are. are going to be there. Who's winning the title? After that, I don't know that I can unequivocally like put a stamp on someone else being there. Sorry, Suns fans. Who is winning the title? You name three teams.

I asked you for one. Who's winning the title, Rock? This is a process. I'm going through my process. Trust this process. Let's see. I am going to go with the, hey, look,

when in doubt, don't bet against LeBron. I'm going with LeBron and the Lakers. Lakers are going to Oh, shit. Lakers are going to get Steve? You're going to get Steve?

Steve, I love you, bro. Hey, haven't spoke to you in a while. You're out in my yorka. Looks like you living your best life dog. Oh, hey, I miss you, homie. I'll go with the Lakers. You know what that sounded like? When he said that, it was like with 50 sit

drove off an entourage when he drove of a turtle. I'm going to Lakers. All right, man. You know what? I said the Nets, so I'm going to just go with the Nets. I'm going to go to Nets. But I hope that it's a Lakers Nets series because I'm trying to listen,

Rewans on the road, hashtag Rulins on the world if we can get this back. Let's go to L.A. and Brooklyn, bro. Fuck it. Let's just go to L.A. and Brooklyn, dog. And can I just give a shout out to your boy real quick? Kevin Durant?

Can I give a light shout out to Kevin Durant? Like, with all the Yonis talk, with all the Yonis talk and deservingly, right? Deservingly. He just like, I think he lives in that space of, of, like, you got me,

You got me fucked up. Like he just lives in that space. Like, bro, you got me fucked up. Can I say one thing, though? Like, if you were to say, obviously, when we go down in history, the biggest winner of this year is obviously honest, right? He won the title. He won the title. One MVP.

He got Milwaukee a chip. But we could all, like, Kevin in this year can always say, motherfucker, I drop 50 on you. And I went out swinging dog. Like, I was like, we, we're not what the fuck shit. I still got you. you had a better team player. And then I went to the Olympics and I dragged the team USA.

I put it on my back and we won and we won the gold medal. Like all on an 85% repaired Achilles. Yeah. It's like, take that. Also, if he wins a title, bro,

like that'll be tight. If Kevin won a title after base after all this, it would be, he would be Teflon. You can't say shit about him. And he was sauced up on the team bust, which was like my favorite little video. yo, that shit was funny to me.

Listen, bro, drug, Kevin is fucking hilarious. That shit was funny to me. That shit was funny to me. Hey, Kevin, Kevin, Kevin, hold your beer in, no, bro. We saw the clip after you won the title and you spit the beer out in the locker as a party foul. You can't do that.

It's a party foul. Let's relax. But he wasn't his bag on that one. KD. That was, you know, I'm already excited about next season, though. I'm really excited about this fall and how we're going to, it's going to be fun. It's going to be fun, ma'am. So now we are going to, you know, finale right here.

We're going to bring Jomey in after this quick break. We're going to answer your questions. Hear your voicemails. Let's get to that up next. And we are back live 1-15. It's time for your mailbags. We have our CMO, Jomey, in the building. He has a very nice background. He's ready to roll. Jomey, how you doing it is? I'm doing great. You know, Austin Reeves and Matt McClung are my new heroes. So, you know, they're like if Michael, Jordan, and Scotty Pipman, but better. So I'm just living my best life right now, you feel me?

Jummy, Jummy, Jummy. Did you leave your Coofy in California? Because I feel like you did. Nah, what you mean? Look, I'm just thinking about the future of the league and where we're ascending to. And I haven't seen a performance that good. Summer League, NBA finals, Olympics in a long time. Wow.

So really, I'm just happy to be. here. I literally had to just look Austin Reeves up. Like I had to see who I did. I had to I just looked at young man up. Good for you, Austin. Shout out to you, bro. That's Lakers. That's Lakers Summer League game winning. Put back

Austin Reeves to you, sir. The last person to get this much love which THT and THT just got paid. So, you know, I mean, you see it. You see the vision. Okay. Well, Jomey's a star right now and he has to get out of here at some point. So, Jomey, it's question time. You've just ascended

to a superstar status. You don't know what us no more. He put a time limit on it. Like, we'll have a hard out. Listen, my people, you know what I'm saying? I got a schedule. I got, I got jobs. Do you feel me? So let's get this thing cracking. All right. Our first question comes from Jacob Rice.

He actually asked three questions. The Sports Center account tweeted after the Knicks signed Fornier and Kemba that their new starting lineup looks scary. So I've got three questions. one, since one has a lineup with no superstar been considered scary. Two, where do you think this team finishes

in a newly reloaded east? And three, when will New Yorkers finally stop wasting their time photoshopping superstars onto Nick's jerseys? Roger, go ahead. I have some takes. You go ahead, though. All right, I got to take this home.

It's three questions. That's a lot. Let's see. It's a good point about the no superstars in a lineup and it looking scary. but I think that speaks more to expectation level, right? Like, as a Knicks fan more than it does, you know, like that's where the Knicks are trying to pull themselves out of the depths of, like at least having solid, solid players burgeoning on, on all-star appearances is good.

And so that you've kind of, your expectation level has changed. So I would address that one as such. In the Eastern Conference, I think, you know, I think they were they were the last year. Would they wind up going into the playoffs as? Would they, Logan, I'm forgive me if I'm wrong. Five, five, it was four or five seat. I don't, I would say lower than that at the Eastern Conference. Yeah, I would say they don't have home court and they get in one of the lower four

playoffs seats. Maybe I think they're probably better than playing, but somewhere around there. I'm going to keep it above. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I have some takes, Roger. Roger, I think that, and I was a part of this, I had my, my Tims, I had my 40 acres in a mule hat. I had on like some Spike Lee Knicks collab last, last spring or last summer, whatever you want to call it. I get why the, I was a fan for like 40 minutes. I get why the

propaganda, I get the propaganda machine in New York. Okay. That's why it's called scary. Now, they weren't as specific as to what, why it would be scary. Is it going to be scary because they might take regress, that they might be a lottery team, that it might be scary bad, or are they going to the finals? The Sports Center Twitter page didn't, weren't specific. And now I think was the, you know, conspiracy low here was just saying that that just might be to cover their asses, right? It could be scary. It could be a scary time.

So the Sports Center page wasn't wrong. I don't think it was wrong. They just said scary, right? We don't know what that means right now. Now, where they finish in a reloaded east? probably like nine or eight you know I think they had a good run they had everything kind of went into their

they had a good run last year I don't I just I don't know I just don't see it with this team I don't I don't know maybe playing or play in right now third question which you missed Raja I have to answer that one when will New Yorkers finally stop wasting their time photoshopping superstars on a Knicks jersey honestly for all parties involved

I hope it's never because that is a entertaining. That's why I go. That's why I go on New York, New York, and fucking listen to John Just Scrippsky, because I'm locked in, okay? I get why you would want to do that. I get why. John Jusripsky. That's a ringer podcast called New York, New York. Okay, you should check it out. But all I'm saying is never get rid of the Photoshop, ever. Actually, make more Photoshopps. Rogers so far removed from the league, Photoshop his ass into a Knicks Jersey, okay?

All right. Photoshop everybody in every jersey possible. We need this. We need the propaganda machine. I have no problem with any of these questions. And those are my answers. What's the next question? Next question comes from Isaiah Cohen.

As this younger era of superstars gets ushered in, Janus, Luca, Tatum, Zion, Devin Booker, John Morant. Do you believe anybody from this younger era will win more than two championships? Oh, yeah. guess, Janus. Janus might go back to back this year.

You might fuck around and go back to back this year. So, yeah, that's the easy one. And then, let me see. If I had to do with another guess, you know what I'm going to say, man? I'm just going to go out on a limb. Devin Booker. I'm going to be real with you.

Devin Booker. This was in the thing, right? Yeah. Over Luca? Over Tatum? Over Zion? This wasn't a Luke? Go back off.

Go back off of that shit. He's been closer than any of him, bro. Jomey, don't do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go back, yeah, yeah. Don't get moved. Interesting. Thank you.

I just have my back. Thank you, Roger. Thank you, Roger has your back. Roger did have a interesting take. Luca, but Luca has not, like, are you, are you confident in what Dallas, the team that Dallas has put around him? Uh, no, well, no, but I'm confident in Lucas.

It's going to be a better team next year. It's going to be better next year. The sons are the, or the Mavericks? The sons, but if I had to, If I really had to think about it. That's one title potentially. You never know. No.

You never know. No, but I think Luca, you saw it at the Olympics. You can see it in his game. That's a dude who can carry you. That's fine. Just willfully. He can carry you to a chip. That's fine.

I don't know if Devin Booker is that guy. But Devin Booker has the better team. And also Luca reminds me. Yeah. But Luca reminds me of like his time when LeBron was there for the first like four years of his career where he was just ball and beating the pistons and doing all these things. but his team wasn't good. So he was only to a point.

David Booker has a better team. David Booker. I think could. I would also. Can I find those next year? Go ahead. Might I jump in? Luca is way more dance on the ball and isocentric than LeBron was early.

LeBron was downhill fast, like athletically beating you and then collapsing defenses and kicking it out. Luca does a lot of, Luca is almost Alan Iverson-ish, where he's just brilliant with the ball in his hands. like, I mean, he has more assistant AI, but like it's a lot of possession standing and waiting, right? For Luca to win chips, Luca's going to have to take that step, though, where he trusts other people and maybe gives up a little bit of that to get the supplementation he needs, man. And maybe he needs better players and that's on the Mavericks. But I, that's kind of the way I see it. He's phenomenal. But like, it's hard when you're on the ball as much as you are to get the best out of other people sometimes.

Rob, you got to answer the question of who is the guys you think are going to win this? I mean, Janice already got one in the bag. Yes. What he could have been talking about. There's a world where he goes back to back this year. I mean, and not for nothing. With the rest of them, there are so many factors that play into whether or not they get the opportunity. Team being first and foremost, you know what I mean, like what that organization does and how competent they are.

Like, it's not all on one of those star players. They can all be brilliant. And some of them are never going to sniff a chip. That's just the reality of it. All right. Here's a better question real quick. Who do you think is not going to win a title out of these people? That's a tough one.

I'm a goal of one. And I'm just saying this. I don't think Zion's going to win a title in New Orleans. Oh, yeah, that's the pick. That's the pick. Zion. And it's not Zion's fault. I don't know if Zion is going to be able to do it.

Yeah, like I said, there's a lot that goes into that. I will not participate in any way. I will not throw any shade of David Griffin and Company in New Orleans. Don't ask me to participate. I will not do it. All right. So I answer the question to say somebody else. then.

John Morant. Okay. All right. There we go. And not because he's not good enough, but I don't know that Memphis, I don't see Memphis doing that. So maybe it's the same answer you just gave. John Morant, but not in Memphis, maybe. And it's not Jaws fault.

It's not Jaws fault. Not Jaws fault. No, sir. I'm going to change my answer to Jason Tatum because I don't want to see anything good for the Boston Celtics. That's fair point. That's a fair point. That's a fair point. Okay.

For sure. For sure. Yeah. All right. Next question from Zach. When you get traded to a new team. What's it like day one in the new locker room? Do you go around shaking hands like,

Hi, I'm Raja. Do you know everyone in the league? What if you had previous friction with a guy who you're now teammates with? Do you say something to iron and out? How do you fill out how vocal to be? Wait, hold on. I think we just found a new co-host for real ones

because that was an excellent question. I'm going to leave now and Zach will now co-host. Can you, let's get Zach's information and we can just like to sign the paperwork right now. Good question, Zach. Sack, well done. How do you go? I mean, it's no different than, I mean, your first day in school or your first day in a new workplace, you just go in there and be yourself.

I mean, except you had a Boris D.L. on a segue like, hi, Roger. Hey, buddy. Hey, thank you. Thank you. But no, I mean, you're not. I mean, obviously you're in there and you don't want to be standoffish or anything. So you're open. You know, you can go around and say what's up to people.

provided, you know, they look like they're open to it. But beef with someone on a team, I think that goes away pretty quick. Once, you know, NBA guys are pretty good about, about, like Kobe and I, for example, like we have beef. But we squashed that pretty quickly. And given the opportunity to work together, I think we were both up for it. Because you realize, you know, in some cases that that dude you had beef with can maybe help you get where you're trying to go as a competitor as a team.

So that goes away pretty quick. You know what's hell funny, Rajah? Athletes are hell of funny because y'all can, like, dab each other up, hug each other and hate each other. That's the only place where on the court, I mean, on the court. Like if somebody, if you hate somebody but they're good at their job, or you give them a good assist or something in a heat at a moment, they're getting a high five. Even if you had beef with them. Like, it's funny how that works. And then you can go back after the game and not fuck with them.

Perfect example, J.T. Snow and Barry Bonds during the Giants from, hating. other. But would just be like, you know, would, would dabby after a home run, you know, fist pound. It's just, it's wild how athletes work. Yeah, it's a little, but baseball's a little different than basketball, though, because you're so, you know, you're broken out in the positions. Like, you know, it's basketball, it's, it's 12 a year or 13 of you in the same place all the time for whatever you got going on. You know what I mean? So it's, it's hard to really hate a dude. I've been on teams where guys didn't love each other, but, um, you've got to deal with each other, though.

Yeah, you got to be in each other's face. Like you, you're, you're, you're there. You're in the locker room. You're in the training room and you're in the same place at the same time. But basically, dog, you go in there and you're just, hey, man, I'm happy to be here, happy to be a part of what's going on. Like, and then you be yourself, right? So that everyone can get accustomed. You want them to get accustomed to who you are. Don't fake that shit.

Be who you are. So they figure out how to work with you and work around you. Word. Okay. For sure. All right, man. That was good job, Zach. Yeah, well done, Zach.

Our final question comes from Alan Goodman. I had a question about what separates a good basketball talent from an NBA prospect. There are a lot of good players in high school and college. As an example, my brother and I used to play with this talented young man and his uncle the dentist over a couple summers in Philly. He ended up going to play for Boston, U and then FI International. He had a really good college career. Next thing I knew, I was watching him guard Kobe in the finals. How do guys like this separate themselves from the large pool of talent to make it into the NBA?

A. Ah, Alan, your friend. Alan. Alan Goodman. Thanks for listening, bro. And not for nothing.

I hit Uncle Chuck, like real quick. Uncle Chuck is a boss, by the way. Hit him real quick to make sure that I remembered Alan Goodman. And I do remember. I do remember Alan Goodman.

Alan Goodman's mother used to work for Dr. Bridges, I believe. So Alan Goodman, yes, we know who you are, bro. To the question, there's a lot that goes into that. Luck is, I'm not going to front.

Luck is a huge part of any Hooper who's right on that borderline of getting into the NBA. Luck is a huge part of that. Persistence, maybe even bordering on ignorance about who you are and what you're capable of doing

is really important too, right? Like you firmly have to have your feet planted in the area of, no, I'm an NBA player, I can do this shit. No matter how many people tell you otherwise, which happened a lot to me, right? You just got to be willingly ignorant. Ah, fuck that. I can do it. And so the last thing I would say, and I say this a lot, is understanding what's important to people

when you go in for a job interview. It's not unlike any other job interview. Typically, when you're trying to make the MBA out of my lane, you're not being interviewed to be the CEO of a company or to be the top salesman on a company. company. You're being interviewed to come in in the mailroom. So if you go into that interview, telling them how great of a salesperson you are and what you can do to raise the stock of the company, they've already tuned you out. They're not interviewing you for that shit. They want to know how quickly you can sort the mail. Can you get that shit to people's desks? Like, can we handle all the things that need to be handled in the position you're interviewing from? A lot of dudes

get that wrong when they're trying out for NBA teams or they're in camps. They fuck that up. They car before the horse they think is all about getting these buckets and triple crossovers and double stepbacks and most teams are not looking for that. Watch Summer League. Summer League is littered with dudes who are going to make rosters that may not be popping and shining in Summer League.

They may not be having 25 a game. You think they're going to make the team. GMs don't. Perfect example. Your guy Wantsisano Anderson. Word. Yeah. Word. You got to get it right. You got to get it right. You got to interview for the job. You know,

You got to know what job they're interviewing you for is the best way to put that. I have a question, though, Roger, when you guys were hooping, did they know like you were just, were you just another dude at this rec center? Or did they know that she was about to, like, be destined for something? Because I can't imagine playing in a rec league with somebody. And you know when you're in a rec league, you think that you're just as good as everybody else. And I can't imagine just hooping with somebody, right? And they're good for like, and you in your mind and your ego, they're good for a rec league. But then you go two weeks later or however long, and they're guarding Kobe in the finals.

you're like, damn, he was actually really good. I can't imagine that. I mean, I think this is bigger picture. I talk about this all the time is the lack of awareness by your, I don't even want to say your average hooper, but by like the lack of awareness from the best player in whatever gym slash park you play at is astonishing. Because that guy thinks he could go to the NBA and get buckets.

He cannot. He will not. It's bugged out. bro. I remember I played a, I mean, I played football in high school. I played quarterback. And, you know, I thought I had a nice little arm on me, right? I thought I was, you know, I thought I could do something with it, right? I started three years. I thought I could do something. So fast forward six years later from graduating, I go cover a Seahawks, um, a Seahawks Niners game in Seattle. And I'm on the field before the game and things like that. And I see Russell Wilson warming up. And he's just warming up. He's just, he's just, he's just, he's just, Like, you know, he's fucking, like, barely throwing, like, flicking his wrist. And the shit is like the, it would, if I would have thrown that, would have been the best throw of my life. And he's just like, shh, shh, shh. Doesn't even trip.

Zoot. Zoot. Not even putting any, like, his back leg into it. Not even fucking right. He's just soop, soo, soup, soup. And then, like, I also saw, I was, I'm, for a story I'm working on, I'm in actually in the East Coast. I was at, I went to Baltimore Ravens practice. And I saw Lamar Jackson practice.

for the first time this season in training camp. Just the stuff that he was just like fucking around doing in drills. I'm like, dog, you're one of the best to do this shit, if not the best in the business. And I see why. And you're just fucking around and shaking the shit out of bags. And I'm like, damn, this is the greatest thing I've seen. And then I see him throw a pass. And I'm like, oh, okay, this is why he's Lamar Jackson.

So it's just sick to see this shit up close. Yeah, it happens in every sport. Like golf, you know, you go out there and you think you hate you don't know what a pro golf. looks like. Like, you don't know what that shit. Until you stand on a range or the pro golfer and watch him hit the same baby draw 20 times in a row and then switch it to hit like a stinging fade 20 times. Like, you just don't understand what being a pro is. I saw fucking, I was had the honor of walking the green one time with Steph,

Steph Curry and Phil Mickelson. Like, Steph was trying really hard. Phil was just talking shit like, ha, ha, ha, ha. And just getting, like driving a fucking ball 400 yards like it was nothing. Like, oh, whatever. It's sick. Now, I will say this, though. My BU teammates would tell the story all the time.

Like, when I got to campus, now I don't remember a young 17-year-old Rajah on campus, but they said that I always said that I would play in the NBA. And, like, I don't remember that, but they said that's the way I came on campus talking. Now, not, again, you got to be a little ignorant because I'm not, I'm at Boston University, bro. That's like low division.

That's a low mid-major division one. But that's where my mind was at. And they tell you tell that story. So I mean, you know, you just got to have some luck, some ignorance, and then you got to understand who you are. I remember Eddie Murphy has a story where he was, I think it was, uh, Roddy Dangerfield, the comedian, he met him in a, like, he met him twice. So there was one time where he was like, hey, um, I guess he met him in a bathroom, but he was like, yo, man, Dangerfield was like, yo, man, you can't be doing, uh, you know,

you kept doing your comedy like this with all this, this, uh, you know, you kept doing your comedy like this with all this this this uh this cursing and all this stuff and what are you doing in the subject thing you do and then he saw him again a few years later and it's eddie fucking murphy like this is like after saturday live after trading places and coming to america and he goes to who knew so all in the same right don't fucking listen to nobody if you're putting into work you straight like if you're putting in the work it doesn't matter man absolutely all right hey i think we got a we got a we got a voicemail here from ashish yo what's up logan and roger This is Ashish.

I'm from Kathmandu Nepal. I love basketball. This is a two-bar question. First question, what's your favorite basketball? Or both of you, what's your favorite basketball movie or movie about basketball? Second question is, what's your favorite NBA player performance in a movie? All right, thanks. Peace.

All right, man. Axel, my favorite basketball movie and my favorite NBA player performance in a movie. My favorite basketball movie is he got a game. and just from just the like the public enemy in it the soundtrack Spike Lee is my favorite director and you know

Ray Allen did a great job I will say though my favorite performance in a movie is probably from my man's from it above the rim when Leon played it above the rim because just the stuff that he was going through on the sidelines

motherfuckers had guns and they were pulling them out just to hate. That's just an environment where it's just, it's hard enough to do that in the NBA finals, but I would take it a step further. You're playing for your life. That was the greatest stakes that you can go through. So I'm going with Leon's character and above the rim.

Wait, was that, all right, wait. So I need some clarity because that's one of mine too, but is it my favorite NBA players performance in a movie, or is my favorite character in a basketball movie? Oh, okay. I could just, let me just do both. I'll do both. I'll do both.

I'll do both. All right there. All right. So Leon right there. And I think favorite basketball performance in a movie. I'm going to just go with Ray Allen because, I mean, he just kicked Denzel's ass. He just kicked his ass and a one-on-one was good. Also, I mean, I know he technically wasn't in the NBA, but Morris Chestnut was a really good player and a really good complimentary piece to bow wow, Calvin Cambridge for Los Angeles Knights. And he adopted him. And he adopted him, bro. That's a great teammate. It's a fucking great teammate. So, you know, Morris, and he was technically an NBA player. So, you know, yeah, those are my answer. I'm going to need a, I'm going to need a little latitude with this question.

I can't, I cannot go one movie. I can't do it. There are too many loving basketball. Yeah, you know, obviously, you know, blue chips. Shack did his thing on that. Shaq did his thing. So did his thing. There's a, there are a lot of them.

It's hard for me, right? I even, I even like Hoosiers. Like, I know a lot of people probably don't like Hoosiers, but I really enjoy that movie. That's a movie that when it's on, you know, I'll watch it. Jomey isn't the only one with his Coofy off today, but, you know, go ahead. No, I just like the movie. I got it.

Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, bro. I'm just keeping it on it. Teen Wolf, bro. White Man can't jump. Like, those are all basketball movies. Hey, oh, man. Hey, oh, man. Bobby Hope did his thing, bro.

Bobby Hope got the team on his back. he's an idiot. Bobby Ho is an idiot in that movie, bro. But like, you know, if you're going to tell me if I want to go to the game or if I want to be with Rosie Perez for the rest of my life,

I'm going to go in Rosie Perez, bro. Fuck the bad. Fuck Street. Billy Hill. It's clear. Billy was tripping, bro. He was tripping. So it would have to be probably

Ray Allen or Shaq as my favorite, as my favorite basketball players playing roles in movies. Yeah. And I'm with you. I'm with you on Leon. No. Because Leon, not only were they on the sideline act and reckless, they were letting those boys, like, they were.

Pulling out a strap at the end of the game. Yeah, yeah, Leon was, Leon was the man. Underrated NBA player performance in a movie Darius Miles in the perfect score with Chris Evans and Scarlett Johansson. Oh, yes, sir. Word. That was an album cut. That was an album cut. He just came through with it.

That was a target bonus. D. Real ones, no. Roones. No, all right, man. Let's get to you know what, man. Let's do this right. We got Jomey here.

Let's go to Rowan of the week. Let's just do a fucking rowing of the week before we get out of here. I really appreciate. Time out. Time out. Time out. Uncle Drew? I see.

See? No, wait, wait, wait. Space Jam 1. We were disrespecting Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan put the world on his back. I think from character perspectives, though, like, like, Reggie Miller's character in Uncle Drew. that's how I know you got kids, bro. I wasn't even like kids.

They were really out there. They weren't just playing themselves. Can you dig what I'm saying? It wasn't like these dudes were actually, there was some comedy involved in that. You wasn't outside, though, Roger. I know you wasn't outside for this, Jomey. Thunderstruck?

Was people outside for Thunderstruck? Was it outside for Thunderstruck? Nobody was outside for Thunderstruck. It's really curious. Nobody mentioned Space Jam, too, a new legacy. That's really interesting. I'm just, I'm sorry. Don Chito was amazing in that movie.

I'm going to say that. John Chito just, he knew what the... Wiley Coyote was the MVP. Don Chito knew what the, the, the, the, the, he knew what the movie was. He knew what the assignment was, and he didn't care, and he just said, I'm just going to just do it. I'm just going to milk it. So, Don't she was a boss. Well, I mean, he's a great actor, but that checks cash, you know what I'm saying?

That check is cash. He do the job that he did do, and he's going to be fine. Yes, you see it. Don't be all right. Let's get to, let's get to real one of the week, man. I'm going to do a two-parter as we as we go on a hiatus. We'll be back at some point.

So my first real one is the real ones. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Thank you guys for always holding us down. Can we get a clap? Can we get some hand claps? Can we get a flex bomb? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

All right, so the real ones. And then I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with Team USA. Both of them. But more specifically, yo, I didn't think the men's were going to pull it out. I didn't think the men's, I knew the women were going to pull it out. We and Rajah already talked about this. We already knew Asia and Diana, and we already knew that suit.

We knew that they were going to pull it out. That was not even a question. The men, I did not, I didn't think they had it in them. I thought it was a bronze gold, a bronze medal, not a gold medal. So shout out to ruin of the week, man, Team USA. Who you got? Jemmy, who you got? You can go with Roger Lasz.

Jummi, who you got? I'm going to shout out my sister. she just graduated with her JD you know she's a lawyer you know what I'm saying she took the bar you know finished law school all during this panoramic

so I just want to shout her out you know what I'm saying shout out to you Bala you know I just be getting these tweets off you know but you're a lawyer so you know congrats that's why you're the real one of the week so you're going to have to get you out some shit at some point I already know because you're going to tweet some wild shit

she's going to have to get shit um Raja who is a real one of Word. Real one of the week for me is going to be the, uh, 2021 Hall of Fame class that just went into the hall and came for the NFL. Payton Manning and company and one of my all-time favorites, Immacqually's finest, edger and E.J. James. I know Edgson. Also add one of that,

uh, add one of that Charles Woodson, Raiders love for sure, no, for sure, for sure. But E.J goes way back, man. I told you my dad used to work in University of Miami. And so E.J. was one of his pool playing partners and would always be in the office. And so I've known him since we were both young, man. And he's, as we all have come a long way, bro. So to see him get into the hall was pretty dope. So that shout out real ones, class of 2021 NFL Hall of Fame. Yes, sir, man. We will see you guys at some point. Hopefully we'll see. You know, Roger might leave us. You know, Jomey may never come back. And I don't know, man, but we'll see you guys when we see, man.

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