The Ringer NBA Show - Rasheed Wallace on Jalen Brunson’s Ascension, Another Disappointing Bucks Season, and How Jokic Advanced the Big Man | Real Ones

Episode Date: May 3, 2024

Logan and Raja are joined by four-time NBA All-Star and cohost of ‘The Sheed & Tyler Show’ Rasheed Wallace to discuss Jalen Brunson’s burgeoning superstardom and the 76ers falling short once again (1:11). Next, they talk about how the Milwaukee Bucks fell apart late in the season and their next steps after another early exit in the postseason (23:03). Along the way, the former NBA champion explains how he developed his playing style, his thoughts on Nikola Jokic, and why the Timberwolves are a formidable threat to Denver (39:43). Later, they unpack the “narrative” around why the Los Angeles Clippers superteam isn’t working (52:31). Finally, the guys close with their Real Ones of the Week (61:10). Email us questions for Mailbag Monday! [e-mail] The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit www.rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available. Hosts: Logan Murdock and Raja Bell Guest: Rasheed Wallace Producer: Jonathan Kermah Production Assistant: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Roger, we got a great guest in the building. Teetering on front of the show vibes here. He is a champion. he got jokes and he is a fan of the bum-ass Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs

we got Rashid Wallace in the building that's good Sheed yes it was good

Jim man we're chilling bro we're gonna talk a little Nick Sixers gonna talk a little you know bucks pacers fallout

and then get to preview some series going for it but first let's get to Nick Sixers. Game six, I think we're seeing

a bit of a where we're watching a star being born right in front of our eyes, and that is Jalen Brunson, who had 4112 last night, average 41

and 10 assists, shooting damn near 50% from the field. It's so interesting. I'm going to start with sheet on this one. When you're trying to figure out what a star player is, in this league, right? When you're trying to see, you know, trying to guess and see where you're, where who's going to be who and who's going to be him and who's going to be them.

Right. The Jalen Brunson has kind of slipped through the cracks. What does it like to see a guy who has had playoff success, but is coming into his own in a different way, right? Like, it's coming in his own in a different way on the biggest stage. What does it like to see and what have you seen from him in this postseason? It's actually great to see him doing so well. because I know his dad,

me and his dad was teammates out in Portland for a couple years and, you know, I remember Jake being a big-haired little boy running around in a locker room. And then now he's a big-haired little boy running out here and school 40-something points in the league. You know what I'm saying? So it's definitely good to see him doing very well, man,

even though he does play for the Knicks, but I'm going to hold that against him. But he's definitely, as you said, coming to his own. And I think we've seen two people in this series, not just Jay Brunson, but, you know, as me and Bond's, nicknamed him O'Dongue too.

Maxie, Tyrese Maxie, nicknamed him Old Dog because he'd be out there killing just as much. And both of those guys are definitely putting their stamp with their game in this NBA right now. I want to ask him a question, Logan, real quick,

because I was sitting back trying to figure out a name from when I played or when you play Sheed that would have been like Jaylen where we all knew he was good. I mean, the pedigree was there, obviously Pops, and was played at Villanova and all of the success there. But like somebody who was in the league that none of us really saw it coming like that.

Like you knew they were good, but you didn't know it was going to be like super stardom, 40 a night in the playoff type of situation. Do you, is there a name that comes to mind when, like from when we played that someone would fit that same bill? Because I couldn't call it. Man, I don't know. That's a great question. I would have to think about that. Think about the rosters from back in the day when we were playing.

Yeah, I was sitting there. I mean, most cats you kind of knew. Like, you were like, yeah, all right, well, the traits are there, the physical traits, or he did it in college like that. Like, I honestly missed on Jaylen Brunson as this level player. Just, I guess that's what I was trying to get at. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think, no, nobody expecting to be this level. Like, I knew and I wished him well.

You know what I'm saying? Just coming into the league and hoping that he does well, you know, continue his success that he had from Villanova. But, no, I'm happy for him. He, man, he's. showing out on his own, yo. He's showing out making, making himself a household name now. When you talk about this pop sheet,

what was this pops like in Portland when you talk about pedigree? Because we always talk about how, um, on this podcast, just when the kid of a NBA player or an athlete in general just has that leg up, right?

Where they just, just by proxy of just seeing everything, right? We've had Steph on the show and he's talked about just, you know, learning, you know, under his pops and, you know, I cover Clay Thompson. The same deal.

right, where you just, like, have the innate instinct of what this life is. Like, what was Jalen Brunson's dad like that would illustrate what Jalen Brunson is down? Just that toughness, that tenacity. You know, Rick, his dad, he was a good defender. You know what I'm saying? Rick, you wasn't just going, you know, push him over or move him out the way. No, he played with attitude. He was a good defender.

And I would say the difference in their game is, is Rick is a better point guard. Like, not saying that Jalen's not a good point guard, but Rick was a better point guard coming down, you know, making sure everything was set up, setting you up if you was cooking. But, you know, Jalen, he's more of a scoring point guard. Now, his dad could shoot,

but I think Jalen is a little better shooter, but like I said, his dad's a better defender. And he tried to install that in him, you know, just watching little clips and stuff from when he was working Jalen out when he was a young boy, you see the tenacity and he's like, no, all right, you did good with that. When that looked good, we're going to do it again.

And then we're going to do it again after that. And, you know, I think that anger fueled him. And now he's here in the league. And that's the attitude that he plays with. Like, yo, can't nobody stop me. And that's the attitude you're supposed to play with. I think that's interesting, Logan, because Rick, first of all, I mean, growing up, there were two teams.

Like, Georgetown was my all-time favorite. second and a close second was the temple owls right so like i um you know i used to watch rick rick was a prototypical point guard in terms of what they did back then which was a table setting floor general set the table i think it's interesting uh when fathers have kids that kind of follow that next generation a kid we look at them because i do it with my boy and we say okay this is what if in a perfect world i could have been a better version of myself i would do And I think you see that with Rick saying like the games changed. PGs are scoring the ball now.

Like we're going to have to wire you to not just be a facilitator. They don't really exist in that way anymore. So, you know, here's how we're going to build you essentially, right? And like, and that's what you come up with. And I'm, you know, like I'm in the backyard tinkering with my son the same way. Like my thing was I would have loved to have been able to play on the ball. And I never could. So we're going to build you to be able to do that.

if everything goes correctly. And I'm just fascinated, you know, to watch, because Rick was a hell of a player, but a different generation of PG. Yeah, fact, no, like you said, he was the one who came down and set the table to make sure that everybody's in their rights about, all, come on, let's run this play, let's go.

You know, and if you're cooking, he's going to find you in the right way. But yeah, but Rick always had that tenacity with him, though. You know, that's when I first met him when he was going to Temple. At that time, I was still in high school. But that's when I had first met him, you know, through Aaron and Eddie. So he was always cool with me ever since then, you know, because me personally, I like, I like bigger or taller players.

Like, I like tall, big point guard, you know what I'm saying? Because for me, on the defensive side, shit, you know what I'm saying? If you got a six-five point guard, well, I ain't got to help too much because the other cats is like about, you know, 5-11, 6-even. So I'm good. I can stay with my man. But, no, Rick was definitely a good defender. I fuck with it. when you're when you talk about like a scoring guard versus a a a a a past first guard

um or someone that is is is is is more likely to facilitate what's the difference in playing with that sheet and r like where you're like i always thought just even watching you know when i was a kid i'd be like yo man if chris paul x y z was just like this is you know dumb fan talking 05 but like you know chris paul would just you know can you just you just shoot that three a little bit more. Like, he would just be so much more deadly, right? Or, like, I used to think that about when I would watch Nash, right? Like, because he was such a great shooter.

And I'm sure Nash would tell you that as well, based on conversations that I've had with Roger. But, like, what is it like when your point guard is just as aggressive as you are, she, or, you know, or is more aggressive for, you know, a guy like Raja, maybe that helps him get even more open looks? What is that like, what is the difference like for those two types of players? It works in both ways. One way is, okay, you do have that scoring point where, all let's take AI, Frank.

Like, we all knew he was a scoring machine, you know, as little as he is, that boy going put that ball in that bucket. So it's like, okay, you know he's averaging, let's say averaging 30, 25 or 30. Everybody's going to be paying attention to him. But then that's when it's time for, okay, like, all right, boom, he got 30 or whatever. Our focus is on him, he's number one. on the scouting report, focused on him.

So then that third dude, that second dude, you know, they're going to get their buckets even easier a little bit because now you're talking about cutting. You know what I'm saying?

Cutting back door, cutting in front of the man. Now we're talking about some post-ups. If they want to try to double team him coming off the pick and roll, you got that quick dump down

to that big or whoever set the pick for you. It helps in a lot of ways. But then I think the one smaller way that it hurts is everybody know that that cat going to take the last shot.

So as a teammate of someone like that, I got to make sure that I get him open or put him in that right position because he's our leading score. So I got to be in that right position, you know, no matter what the screen or hitting him with a good pass, like a good timing pass coming off of the screen or some shit,

it's a difference. And both of them are, we see them a lot in this league now. Mainly more, you see a lot more score and point guards. They think that's the thing to do, you know, do the one-on-one drills and all that. But, you know, that old school point guard coming down,

setting the table, he's going to make up for that scoring in other ways, either with dimes, he could be a good defender. He could be a good off-ball defender. You know what I'm saying? It's all types of fashions you can think about with that. So I'm like, with me, go with the point guard who, you know what I'm saying, going to facilitate that. Your team knows this already.

Like if you're the man on the squad and I'm on the left block and Roger's going to right wing and you drive right, you're going to draw so much attention that as soon as you kick it to Roger, he's going to have a dead eye dig wide open shot in the corner four to three. Boom. You know what I'm saying? He's just going to draw it now. If you're playing with that point guard who's not known to be a score, what's going to happen? That defender is going to stay home on Roger and Mountain Town got a 10 at the defensive scheme. you're going to force that dude to take that shot, even though he don't want to. You know, that's interesting, right?

Like, Steve talks about it a lot. And I think all of this, like, there are a few things. Like, everyone's got shit that they ideally like characteristic-wise and whatever it is, right? So I like point guards that see the game. And I think point guards sometimes, it's less about your size and it's more about how you're looking at the game. Like, what you think your role is to the team, right? And so I think a lot of our PGs today, I would call most of them combo guys. Because they see the game to score.

And there's nothing wrong with that because I do believe that a PG, when he can score and is a threat, to Sheed's point, we'll open up the rest of the floor. Like, that's why the greats were so good because they could score the ball too, right? So then now we got to honor that. And that springs you for the ability to facilitate and stuff like that. But at the root, I think that PG has to understand what his job is. Like, it is in some regards to manage the team, albeit pace of the game. Like, no when we want to get up and go. No one we need to value the ball and try to, you know, get a quality shot in a possession,

not just maybe race down for the ninth time in a row and shoot a quick three. And our lead is dwindling. It is to get she going, to get Logan going if he looks like he's having a slow night. You know, Rajin got a jump shot in three quarters. He looks like he's checking out. Let me get him an easy one. Like, there's more to it. than just scoring the ball.

And, you know, the nuances and the art of that, I think sometimes can get lost when it's just bucket, bucket, bucket, bucket, bucket. You know what I mean? Because now you got guys out there looking like dingleberry's just standing out there while that point guard is, you know, all the dribbles. And, you know, he's step back and going up and under, shooting with three dudes on. It's like, yeah, I'm over there eating popcorn. I'm chilling.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I said to what I said about Chris Paul, Steve Nash, but like as a Laker fan, I would see growing up, like, when they needed to, that 20 and 10 would be 41 and 16 if need be, you know? Like, they did have that in their back. Let's get back to the, let's get back to the other side of the Nick Sixers series, the fallout in Philadelphia. You know, I know that she is a Philly boy.

I won't say the other thing because I'm from the West Coast. and we can't say that. But what is a fallout in Philly like after a series like this, right? Where Embed, I'm looking at the stats. Thank you, Third Ikeye for the stats. But Embed's shooting 23% from the field and 11% from three point range in the fourth quarter during the playoffs, right? Like, that's not great. You know, Maxi, after a 45 point or 40 plus point amazing performance in Madison Square Garden,

has 17 and 5, but it doesn't shoot great from the field. And now you're relying on Buddy Heald to, you know, be your top score. And me and Roger talk about this all the time where, you know, you don't want those guys to consistently be your leading score in a game like that.

Shee, if I was the number one score and y'all were playing Phoenix in the finals, if I led us in scoring, you guys feel pretty fucking good about that. Like, that's the bottom line, right? Like, if a role dude is having to, yeah, you feel good about that. Anyway, can go on.

I remember, I remember Mason Plumley one time. I think it was Mason. It was one of the Plumleys who played for Portland Trailblazers. And he went off. I think it was game four against the Warriors and the conference finals or something. And I remember that halftime he was going off. And then the Warriors were like at the end of the game like, shit, we take that any day of a week. And Dame Lillers on the team, we'll take that shit any day at a week.

Like, it's fine. It's fucking plumb. It's a different kind of like 20 or 30 if somebody else hits it. You know what I'm saying? Like we were talking about this earlier on the show earlier this week. We was like, you know, would it be better to hit the three or get the old school three with the A and one? You know, and it was all about the presence in that game. You know what I'm saying?

Like he was saying with the Plumley kid, yeah, he's a good kid. But, you know, he had that one game. It's like, all right, yeah, we're going to let him get it long. the main, you know, the first two options ain't getting it. That third or four option, hey, yeah, we're going to let him get it. He's going he going to go in and score whatever because, one,

we don't look at him as a factor. Two, yeah, he can have 20 or 30, but it's still going to be an L. You know what I'm saying? And three, it's like, look, when you're sitting there, you got to come up with some type of resolution to be in that third option, like, look, all right, they're digging

the shit out the first dude. And then, you know, my big man, he might be the second option. Like, shit, He can't throw a beach ball in the ocean standing on the beach. So, all right, now I got to be me. So, and that's the mindset that you have like, oh, yeah, I'll let him score 30 all day because this 30 is insignificant. You know, if Dane give you 30, you like, damn. Because he's getting to the free throw line, right? He's put, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's controlling the game.

Free throw and it'll be more tipping like a quiet number, you know, it wouldn't be an explosive number that he has at the end of the game. to that point back going into Philly, they're in a precarious situation because I just don't know what they do to I don't know what they do to make the roster better in this sense, right? Because there's Paul George rumors out there

and then we're seeing what Paul George is doing and we'll get to that in the next segment, but we're seeing what Paul George is doing in the biggest moments, right? Like you already have a ceiling with what he can do, in my opinion, right? Where do you absorb that in there where Maxi's already ascending, right?

or he's about to ascend into another level. Do you try to get extra firepower? Do you double down on this core, which has kind of gotten you to a ceiling as well, right? I know Embedd was hurt this season. But what do you... You got your Phillies hat on,

but I need you to put your GM hat on. What do you do, Sheed, when... This summer, if you're in Philadelphia, you got all this cap space, but, like, you see the field right now. I don't know what a deal is. Do you go get Kevin Durant? I don't know.

Like, what is something that you do to improve this roster? Me personally, well, we got a good shooter in Buddy Hill. He didn't get a chance to show that this series because he didn't play much. You know, obviously for any reason it was, Nick Nurse didn't trust any. But, you know, he's a good outside shooter. So I think we can keep him. I think, honestly, truth be told what we really need,

we really need a good backup center slash power forward. You know what I'm saying? Somebody who can come in there hold the fort down. We're not asking you to go out here and get 20 and 30 and ask me to put up 15 shots. You know what I'm saying? Your job is to maintain the lead or extended. We can't lose the lead with you out of there. So in B, we all know he's number one option when he in there. So if I got an, it can even work to the point where you got the two big in there together going old school, you know, high low. Or when in B, you know, he had a good

run. Let's say he played like nine, 10 minutes straight, diving on the floor, all that shit. All right, he needs the rest. Now the guy that I got coming in, you know, he got to be able to grabbed me a couple boards, a block or two, setting stream. I'm not looking for them to be that main score, but we need a good backup center and I think we need like a gritty or like a dirty

swing man. You know, we need a dirty wing player who get down and dirty and, you know, who pulling their shorts up and giving me all of that. Smack into floor and shit. Does that even play even exist in the league, though? I don't even know that player exists. Roger, that don't even, that player does exist.

They weaned them out. They got us up out of there, man. Man, they damn sure did. They was costing them money. They got us out of there. Yeah, that's interesting, man. Like, I would agree with what she's saying, especially about having something behind and be that is trustworthy.

Like, yeah, like, look, and maybe not even, you know, not even offensively, dog, but when we bring you in this game, I mean, you're going to gobble up all of these boards. You're going to be around that rim, and it's a presence. So they better be shooting threes, which also goes to his point about, You know, if we can contest those and you clean them up, our leads should be safe. Buy this man some time to sit on the bench because, you know, the history of wearing him out is there.

Like, we got a sample size of that now. So I think that's critical, like, just to protect Joel. Maybe a Bobby Portis? Oh, work. No. No, you don't like Bobby? No, I like Bobby. But I don't think Bobby would fit our scheme because, you know,

we got a lot of young boys who like to get up and down. You know, Bobby's a vet now. You know what I'm saying? he got his chis. He, you know, he on that downside of his career. You know, we need guys who are even killed or still on that rise, you know, not necessarily a name player, somebody who can make a name for themselves. I was just going to say it's just interesting, just how we team build, right?

Where we always look, if something's bad, we're just like, oh, let's go get a star player when I think, like, to you guys' point, it might be better just to approve around the margins because this is a 60-win team if they're full and their hole, right? Like, they were on that trajectory this season. I like what Ubrae did in that series. You know, I think, I think, great point on the buddy healed. Like, that's, I mean, you can never have enough doers that just shoot the skin off the ball.

Like, if we can figure out how to get them to do that. Yeah, like, come on now. We got to come on now. The Paul George is interesting to me, though, because Maxi, I think, is still on his essential. Like, if you're talking about a window, right? The question for me is whether Maxie getting to where he ultimately is going to go, which is like stardom, whether that time frame marries up with the window that is open to win the chip with Joel. And so if you say, yo, he's firmly stepping into that next year and we ain't got to worry about it.

Okay, back. But if you're like, yo, we think that's two, three years out. Like having a guy like Paul George who can get some buckets, he doesn't have to carry. We'll let the young buck carry it with Joelle. But if they can't, like, that's a bona fide dude who we can give the ball to. Maybe not consistent enough to be the championship breadwinner on his own team. But would you put him with those two, like, you know, he's a two-way guy too. To run the world.

Yeah. Yeah. So, like, it's an interesting, it's an interesting thought. Like, I don't know what they'd have to do to the rest of the roster. But a piece like that would make sense to me. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, it would. And it's definitely he's a known player.

swing player. We know he can put the ball in a bucket. Yeah, PG could do it, but the thing is, shit, what he want for? You know, is it going to be the continuation of his deal now with the trade, or is he going to be a free agent with it coming over to it? You know what I'm trying? It's all on what he's wanting with those books can provide. He's talking about Max, too. Like, see, that changes.

Yeah, Max changed. I'm not mad at him, but he's going to get that in Philly. Yeah, yeah. Get your bread. But, like, yeah, you get stuck with one of those Bradley bills at the end of the day. I don't know, man. The Clippers giving out money. You might need to stay in LA, bro.

They gave Kauai that big-ass deal. And he ain't played one game. He played, what, one game in this postseason? Right. That's crazy. They're going to give it back to PG. Let's take off your Philly GM hat and put your Milwaukee GM hat on right now. I don't think Philly is nearly the shit show of what Milwaukee is right now.

where you have Janice, who is this, it's weird to think about it right now, but he's about to turn to this aging superstar in a couple of years, right? Like he's, he's on the, it's weird to even fathom that right now,

but he is now in that win now, um, aging superstar role. And he put all this equity into getting this, getting a coach and then the coach gets fired. And then he tries to get this trade for dame. That doesn't work. they both get injured.

Then Doc is somehow here. I'm of the mind to like, this just isn't working. It is what it is. You need to blow it up, but they're not, I don't think they're going to do that. Either one of you guys want to answer is,

what the hell do we do in Milwaukee? What the hell is going on out there? It's karma. That's what that is. It's instant karma. You know, that's the basketball guy. You know,

that was some shady shit, in my opinion, that either Glenn did or, you know, the Milwaukee higher up. because if I'm mentoring someone and I'm telling you, like, yo, yeah, he's a good young coach, you know, he got some good plays. He's good with the X's and O's.

You know, he's younger. So the kid, he can relate to the, you know, more of the younger kids, this and that. And then, boom, he gets the job. He's doing great. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he got Yonis. You know, Dame in there now. You know, you're doing great.

You're at, what, 30 and 13? And then all of a sudden, it started to be bad water. two days later. Now, AG fired. Just nasty business. Just nasty business in general. And then you bring in Glenn and who was supposed to be my mentor

and helped me get the job. You brought him in to be called. It's karma. That's why they ain't been able to do good. And this and that, you know, you got to look at the overall picture. That ain't how you do people. And they did, they did AG wrong with that, man.

They did Adrian Griffin wrong with that. In my opinion, to bring in your mentor after he helped you get the job. Yeah, that's a look. I mean, that is, that is shady. I didn't really know the backstory with, with Doc being, being part of the reason A.G.

was there in the mentor relationship. I always thought that it was a bad, I thought it was a bad fit for A.G. And, and the bucks, she, just because of the pressures that were going to be for a first time, dude, like, I thought it was a lot to give them, for your first time in the seat,

to be like, yo, win this shit now, we were firing you. Like that's a lot, that's a lot of pressure with all of the shit that was going on around the organization with Dame coming in. Like that's a lot of turbulence for a young dude trying to put his feet in the ground and cement them. And I just, I felt, I felt for him in that regard. I always say this. And Logan, you can attest to this as a franchise, like, whatever franchise it is. And I often will get on here when you ask me, Logan, what do you do? And forgive me, listener, when for the times that I'm like, yeah, I don't know, man. man, because the reality is you need a fucking roadmap.

You need to give me clear directions of where we're going. How do you see us getting there and what the plan is? I'm a plan, dude. Like, get me the plan. Show me how this next step is getting us closer to the plan. They're sitting over there on the whiteboard. If those moves ain't syncing up with that whiteboard, I got to tell you I don't know where you go from now.

And that's a fucked up place to be as a franchise. Yep. So they've been operating in that space since. In my opinion, since, you know, that last playoff run, the rumors around Bud, what is the plan? The plan is to listen, well, at least up to this point, is to listen to what Yannis thinks, right? And me and Roger talk about this all the time where there has to be a balance there, right? There has to be a balance between front office and what the player wants, right? Because you get to this situation where Rianus goes hard for AG, which puts him in a precarious situation.

And then during, you see that he might not be the coach that you may have wanted. And then you get into the situation when you're in the in season tournament and Doc is there. And then you got Bucks officials talking to Doc right as your, right as this mentorship role is going on. And then they're talking about, what, do you want to be coach, which undercuts any trust that the current coach in has with the current group. And then you put, not only do you put AG in a difficult spot, you fire him and you know, know this she, you noticed, Rajah. Implementing a coach after the trade deadline and right after

in the midst of All-Star break will never work. You can't do that. It doesn't work. Especially after a training camp, nasty business all the way around. It just was gross. I don't care if it was Phil Jackson. You know what I'm saying? You're right. You know, when you do that after deadlines and all of that,

yo, yeah, it don't make no sense. And I think it's something else that went on that just not getting out in the public, you know, because It just seems fishy, man. Like, who does that? You know what I'm saying? Like, where they do that shit at?

It's like, oh, yeah. Oh, Roger, my man. You know, no, no, I'm helping them get this job, you know, this job, this gig coaching, da-da-da-da-da-da. And then two, three weeks later, oh, yeah, Roger, no, they just made me the coach. You want to stay on the staff? Like, you're like, I'm like, what?

Like, what the fuck? Like, what's going on? Like, when y'all do this? Right. And that's bad business for the, front office, man. Like, I didn't hear the cats, you know, where back in our days, the GMs, they would get your opinion, not necessarily saying that's the move we're going to make.

Like, okay, if you're the man on the team and captain on the team, like, yo, what you think about bringing in, you know, Mookie Blilak? What you think about that? Oh, you're like, oh, yeah, Mooka good player or Mooka bad player, however that person felt. And then, you know, that GM slash owner is going to take that into effect, a opposing to leaving all the trade shit to the player. Like, to me, that's too much power.

Absolutely. Like, you're not giving it, the GM is not doing his job. You know, you're asking a player like, man, who you need, who you want over here that's going to get us to the next level? Oh, man, give me Jim, Jim Isley and give me Mike Harrison. And you're like, all right, but these motherfuckers ain't shit on the other team. But I'm saying give me them because they're my homeless. You know what I'm saying?

We talked in the summertime. It's like, man, I'm going to try to get. you over there with me, oh yeah, we can play. Oh, yeah, we can be together. No, that's too much power for the player. And with them, again, yeah, I'm going to ask Janus, because he is my star. He is my franchise.

But that don't mean I'm going to make the fucking move that he's saying, especially when it don't make no sense. How about this? Janus, you are, or any player, I'm not going to say, Janice, any player, you are excellent at playing basketball. You have committed your life to this. You work, you have congratulations.

You are paid exorbitant sums of money to go out here and put that ball in the hole and you do that phenomenally. Guess what I've worked my entire life to do as a GM. Evaluate and team build. So I'll be damned if I get this motherfucking job and I am not doing it the way I see fit to do it. Ain't there's no way. There's no way. So now to Sheid's point, I am certainly collaborative in this. Sheed is my best player.

I don't want to do anything that Sheed is absolutely opposed to. Like, we'd have to have some real conversations. And on the flip side, his input is value. Like, we're in this together. But we're not going to be held hostage for something Sheed wants to do. Because when I get fired, I don't get to tell the owner, no, that was Sheed's idea. That shit wasn't my idea. Ain't nobody trying to hear that.

You know what I mean? And so to some degree, and this is wild, we're in a, a day in an age, like when we came up, there weren't negotiations with your parents. Like, it was what your dad said, man. Like, that's what it is. And you played your role. Okay, pops, keep it moving. Like, we're in a generation, GM's included, of negotiating with children.

I see them at the malls and in the water parks where Johnny is spazzing out and mom and dad are standing there negotiating with this little joker. And so, look, I harkened for the day a little bit. bit. I'm going to be get off my lawn kind of guy where look, hey man, she, trust me, dog. I got this, man. I got a staff of people in there on the computers grinding, breaking down numbers, evaluating. We've flown

all across the globe to do all these evaluations, man. Trust me. We got this. I'm going to run it by you. And you want to get your homie that you party with at Summer League. We're not doing that. We're not doing that. That's what they want. That's what they want. Yeah. Can't do that. And then

like you said, yo, I spent my whole career, you being in this gym position or preparing myself to be a GM, the same way you was in a gym working on your jump shot, working on your handle and post moves or whatever. Like you said, I got this. And the thing about it, some GMs take offense to that shit. Like, if they think that the players want to,

as they say, if they want the mental patient to run the asylum, like some GMs take offense to that. Like, man, the fuck out of here. You just go play bad word about going down there on the floor. I got what's going on up here in the office. You know, everybody won't be nice with delivering that. That's true.

Did you ever go in a GM and be like, yo, I need this, this, this, isn't it, this to happen? Or like, how was the relationship with your, when you were the guy, when you were the guy, like, what was, what was that? When I was the guy out there in Portland, my GM was Bob Witsitt. Man, he just so happened also to be the GM of the Seattle Seahawks. Because Paul Allen owned both teams. And, um, got it. No, Bob, Bob was cool. And again, he never claimed to know that he know it all and this and that.

You know, he made like one or two shaky moves in my career there. But other than that, he was pretty solid. You know, he would tell Cass were coming there, at least talk to Cass like, yo, you know, I'm going to get rid of you, this or that. How do you feel about this or that? Because I actually sat down. And this was before he left. And there was talks about, I was shit about there about me being traded and all that.

But this is before he left. and sat down with him and the owner. I was like, no, I don't want to go, but it seems that y'all going in a different direction, y'all want to go younger. Yo, I can't do this all over again. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

To be that good vet and tutelish teacher to all the young boys, and now here it is we in year 14 or 15 of my career. Now I'm dogged out, never had a chance to make the playoffs because I'm always sitting here working with the young guys and getting caught up in that mix. but with the whole way of it like man you just got a bottom line yeah just go out there and play

if you just play you ain't going to worry about what the fuck is going on in the front office because you're going to win and I got shit to worry about myself I got to worry about how to stop Dame Lilith tonight well I got to worry about how to stop Brian tonight like damn I got more shit to worry about than yo hey man

if you come tell your agent to hit my agent and we both calling them like no this ain't no fucking AAU. That's the problem now. Everybody want to be buddy-buddy ball. You know what I'm saying? Nobody wants to compete.

The spirit of competition is very, very low in the NBA night. You speak in Rogers' language. You're speaking his language. Here, let me wrap up. Let me wrap up the bucks thing if you allow me to real quick. Here's the deal. And it gets lost. It gets lost in NBA franchises.

It gets lost. So I know it's lost on the fans. The Milwaukee Bucks, the New York. Nick's, the Phoenix sons, they're a team. Right? And when we say that, you think of just the players on the court. And that it doesn't encompass the entire team. They are a part of the team.

The front office, the scouts, everyone is on that team, and we all have our roles to play, just like the players on the court have roles to play. Allow each other to do those jobs and trust each other. Like the best teams talk about trust in communication. That extends throughout the entire team, not just the 11, 12 guys on the floor. So give each other space, trust each other to do their jobs, communicate that shit well,

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Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook. VanDuel.com. What's up, Real Ones? It's your boy, Joe Me. back with another edition of Packwatch. And, you know, when I got into this job, I knew some of the days weren't going to be great.

So it's with great sadness in my heart, but I'm sure great joy in your heart. But I now have to pack up the Los Angeles Lakers. I'm not going to be mad. I'll be very clear. Don't put in the newspaper that I was mad. I'm not mad. You know what?

Actually, let the paper know I was mad. I mean, come on. Loses to the same team again? Oh, don't tell me, they didn't get swept. They won game four, man. Forget game four, dog. You know what? Jamal Murray, if,

Jamal Murray, I, you know, I, I see, I can't even get the words out. Ugh! He really show up and he ball. I mean, he's a, look, let's be very cool. He's a great NBA player. He's legitimately a finisher. Like, man, when he played a Lakers boy, who, who, whoa! It's different.

And, you know, There's only one person. It's only one name that I feel is responsible. Dervyn Hound! When I catch you! When I catch you! Listen, it's not that the Lakers, we're never going to beat the Nuggets, right? Talent, differential is different.

Let's just be factual, actual. What I can get upset, though, about, is the fact that they were playing Denver in the first place. Why are you starting camera? Redish and Torian Prince for over half the season. Look, TP had his moments, even in the postseason over the year. I get it. But they were basically undefeated every time he played under 26 minutes.

Every single time they lost maybe like one game when he played under 26 minutes. And he started over half the year. You don't, you understand what I'm saying? They had Cam Reddish. Cam Reddish has been coasting. off that Anthony Edwards video for so long. It's nuts. Okay?

So, you know, this is really like a Lagos pack watch, but I'm sure either by the time you're hearing this or whatever, he's been fired. So you know what? I'm going to say it right now. Even he has been fired because we'll be one day, Good rid and starving.

We won't miss you. Thank you guys. I love you. Bye. Let's talk about a, let's talk about a competent organization at this point. Let's talk about the Denver Nuggets. And one of the questions that I was thinking about,

like, what kind of questions I want to ask you? You know, and one of the questions I want to ask you about is, Nicole Yokic. I want to ask you about him as a player, right? Because, you know, he's the guy that watched you. He's the guy that watched, you know, the skilled big man of the previous generation, you know? Like, you guy, I feel like you, Weber is also in this mix of the guys that

I may be overreach and just thinking this, but like the guys that watch Magic Johnson, right? The guys that or watch Michael Jordan, the guys that were big men, but were like, no, I'm not just going to get my ass down on the block. Y'all did that,

but you guys were also skilled big men who can, you know, shoot the 15-footer. I don't know how much you shot the three. You shot it a lot late in your career, but like Nicola Yogis is watching that. Why did, where did you get the, the notion of like, I'm not going to be in the mold of, you know, the 80s big.

I'm not going to be Kareem. I'm going to be some mix of magic in, you know, a little bit of a guard play, but also can post. And where did you get that from? And where do you have you seen that evolve with a guy like Nicola Yolich? Well, for me, I got it from two people. I got one, Cliff Robinson, Uncle Cliffie. And the second one was myself. And I said that because I didn't start playing the three until it was,

I would say one year was like halfway through my tenure in Portland. And the coach wanted to start, Sabonis, Brian Grant, who at the time was like a leading rebounder in the league. BG. And he wanted to start me at the three. So, you know, I'm not with all shooting the threes and shit like that. And because I felt with me being a big, of course, mathematics, you go with a higher percentage shot.

So I'm out there, you know, and I wouldn't shoot it. I would just pass it up or, you know, try to go to the hole. And then the coach was like, no, go ahead and shoot that because it's going to help us open up the floor. So I was like, fuck it. And then I'm like, all right, so I got the feeling I'm pretty good about it. But then when we played the Lakers and I'm playing the three and I had to guard Glenn Rice, she. I thought, hey, that might have been like my worst defensive performance. Each time that we played the Lakers that I had to play the three,

guarding him, because I'm not used to it. You know, like, Ross, you know how you come off the screen. You're almost looking like a defensive end getting around that screen and stay with that manner. Man, I'm running through all that shit. Like, I ain't built for that. But from that time, it was Uncle Cliff was like playing against the Lakers. I'm sitting there.

I got ice pack on my knee. I got my left foot in the ice bucket. And my elbows got ice pack. And I'm just sitting in my locker like this. And then, you know, why? Because that night, Sabonis got in the foul trouble. So it was a mixing matchup thing where everybody had the Garstack. He's just kicking.

It's a young shack. He's just kicking that. So we like, that's Peak Shack too, right? That's 99, 2000. What's that like? What's his day? KG said it was like, Garbage. the wall.

Like, who was guarding shack like? Yeah. Moving, bro. He was a huge individual, man. 7-2, about 335, 40 pounds. And it wasn't like it was a fat 330 pounds. You know what I'm saying? Like, he was in shape.

But that's what always made it hard for us out there in Portland was his big ass. Yeah. But now to see Nicola Yokens, what's it like for you to see that? because I'm sure, like, you know, he's a guy that is, that has seen, he's taking the baton, right? But he's just like a unicorn in that way. What does it like to see the evolution of the big? I mean, that's good to see the evolution of the big, especially since when Golden State won it and they had the whole formula with small ball and everybody was like a year or two later,

everybody was like, oh, the big man is obsolete in the NBA now. No more bigs, this and that, da-da-da-da-da, all guards. Well, with Joker coming, I'm glad that Denver won it last year. because they're going old school. And see, people don't like to look at it or think about it. Joker and Aaron Gordon, what they're doing? They're doing high-low all day. Joker goes to the hole.

And if someone's playing good defense on him and, you know, he throws it up, here come Aaron Gordon out of nowhere. Boom. Aaron Gordon at the high-post, Joker cuts to the basket. Yo, we got high-low. Bringing that whole big-man mystique back. But with Joker, he's taking it, he took it to another level for the way he puts it on the floor.

I like his court vision. I guess you could call him a young Arvita Sabonis. Because Sabonis, from what I heard, Soviet Union Sabonis. Yeah. Subonis was that real deal from what I heard with him, you know, being in his younger years. We caught older Sabonis in the NBA when he first came home.

You call it like the older Shaq Sabonis. Right, right. You know, if it would, now I always said this too. If it would have been a young Sabonis going against Shaugh, that would have been a hell of a fucking matchup, yo. But Joker, I would have to say he's this erasabonis. He could pass well. His only downfalls is defense.

And, you know, a lot of people depend on their offense to be their defense. If I'm consistently going at you, going at, you know, one, I got to be the man on a team to do that because the ball is always coming to me. So if I'm going that, you're going that, you're going on offense, I ain't got to work on my defense as much. That's, I guess, some of the thought process. But me personally, if I need a bucket, I'm going right at Joker. Reason being, all he's going to do is reach or somehow, some way he's going to file me because he's not known to be a good defender. He's not known to be a shot block.

You know what I'm saying? So he definitely advanced the big man with his gameplay overall, you know, to be out there on the floor, to be seven foot, seven one, you bringing a ball up. And, you know, you're setting the table for guys and all that. He's definitely advancing the position. And so they're playing against the Timberwolves. The Nuggets are playing against the Timberwolves. And I know young Aunt Edwards is just pulling at the OG's heartstrings.

I just know it. I know it. I haven't talked to even talk to Roger about this even since his last game against Phoenix. Sorry about your Phoenix, son, sir. We knew it was coming. But when you have, how formidable are the, I think the Timberwolves are more formidable against the nuggets that people think because they do have the two bigs down low

and they have a guy like, to your point, Sheed, where they have a guy like like Ann Edwards who can attack, attack, attack, attack against a guy like Yokic. How do you see that, both of you guys, how do you see that series playing out this weekend? I think Minnesota is in a good spot against Denver.

I'm not sitting here telling you, I predict them to beat them necessarily, but I do think they are very capable of it. with the size, length, and versatility they have defensively, that's how Denver gets you. Denver gets you by like consistently wearing you out offensively. Like they just consistently wear on you offensively. And so I think personnel wise and skill wise,

like Minnesota is going to be sitting there like, yeah, we match up really well. Like we don't necessarily have to be in all of these wild coverages to try to combat what you're doing. That's where Denver really gets you. because they get you in miscommunications. And before you know it, somebody's backdoor and joker didn't fucking dined them.

Or like, you miscommunicated the switch. And there's Michael Porter Jr. sitting on another three. I'm just standing there waiting to get backdoor cutted. Right. I don't think Minnesota has to do all of that. So I think they're positioned well in that regard. As far as Aunt Edwards goes, that's a fucking problem.

It's no other way to put that. It's bottom line. Bottom line. There are a lot of dudes who can scrolls, scored the ball, right? There are a lot of dudes that can get after you. And I don't know how to do this justice. It's either a look in their eye.

It's either a way that they carry themselves, or it's the combination of those two when they get a certain individual, like, in their scope. And that dude, when he gets you in his scope, oh, it's, hey, bro, not a lot of people get down like that. Like, that shit is, you can feel it. I get a little chills watching them on TV sometimes, because I'm like, yo, that my fucking is out for blood.

Did you see the dunk Monday night where he fucking, we talked about it, didn't we? The dunk where he dunked on, yeah, where he dunked on, on, uh, KD and, and Bill and Bill. We broke that shit down, like from the athleticism alone, but the mentality, which was like, you got to understand, Logan, when you're on that left wing, she knows this. I'm on that left wing. Like, I give you the tween, tween to get you to shift to the middle, right? I know damn well I ain't trying to go middle. Like, I'm just tat tat to see if I can get you to come to the, just to the,

to the middle slightly so I can get by that right leg. Right? Yeah. He didn't even achieve that shit. But while all this is happening, I see who's low man weak side. Now, NBA's different than high school and college. Like, he can't be loaded to the ball or his defensive three seconds. So, you know, I see KD outside the paint on the right wing.

I know that's his fucking rotation. So all of this is going through this young as mine is he, tat, tap. And he's like, made the decision. Listen, I'm, forgive me my language right now. but this is how excited I'm getting. My boy took off. When he went by that, man, the decision was made. I'm putting him in the cup.

Yeah. Like, he either going to have to meet me at the, at the, at the, at the house, whatever. We're going. Yeah. That shit, that'll get your chills, bro, on the back of your neck. Like, okay. Yo, it was, it's crazy because, like,

it's one of those guys where he loves to send a message, like, in that way, right? Like, I see, in that dunk, I saw Kobe in that dunk. I saw some MJ and that. dunk. I saw some Larry Johnson in that dunk, right? Like, I saw, I saw a lot of things in that dunk. But I do see he is a guy that loves to send a message. Shee, if he goes in there and just bongs on, on Yokic, just one time down the floor, like, what does that do? What is that going to do for the series and for the Timberwolves? Like, what is that going to do for the entire series? What, like, if he goes in and sends a message? I think, I think Minnesota matches up with Denver

the best out of any West Coast team. For the simple fact of their size, you know, you got two seven footers now. You know, with Gobert, what, 7-3 and then cat like 7-Even, 7-1? So I got two seven-footers now to try to go at the Joker.

We know, and again, Joker's biggest defense is going to be going right at them every time because he know he's getting the ball. But, no, that's going to be a great fucking matchup across the board, yo. Yeah, Minnesota, I think, out of any team in the West, has the best opportunity to beat Denver now because they got good veteran guard play with Mike Conley.

You know what I'm saying? Then, of course, Ant Man told a different subject. We're going to keep him out because, you know, we all know he's the shit. But, you know, Kat, you don't have to step up on both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively to keep Joker off the board. And the same thing with Rudy Gobert. You know, and Rudy's the perfect one we were talking about with the last segment.

He's a good center to where I'm not expecting Rudy to go in there and have 25 and 30 being 7.3. But I am expecting Rudy to have at least minimum eight boards and minimum three blocks at least. You know what I'm saying? You change in shop,

that's what's going to make that difference in this series. I don't think it's going to be for Denver. I don't think it's going to be as many little layups and, you know, little putbacks as they always did. because now Minnesota has their advantage in the size department.

Yeah. With the Lakers, it was just Anthony Davis. It was literally just Anthony Davis with the size. And then now, you know, Knives Reed, you know, he did his thing, you know, with six man and like you got to take that to effect too. That's going to be a good matchup because we know KCP hangs his hat on defense. You know, even though he can score, he could hit him some threes, but KCP put his hat on defense and that's going to be a good matchup between them two who's going to outlast who on

defense i can't wait for this series though it's going to be amazing i don't think we're going to i wanted it before before we get out of here i got two more things for you when we i want to talk about real quick because i don't think we're going to see this team again um at least on the on the real ones podcast schedule but the the la clippers which has just been just a a shit show i'm really just i'm really tired of the clippers if they win then i guess i got a if they win a night then i I guess I got to switch up, but I don't think they're going to win it. I'm sick and tired of every summer. Roger knows this.

Every summer they have the narrative that, oh, man, they're the deepest team. They're going to be the team to watch. They're the Sleeper Championship team. And then when the season is on the line, you see six of 25 from your top dudes from James Hardin and Paul George. I know, but it's shaping up to be a very disappointing Clippers season. Right? When you see this sheet and when you see this, Ra, what part of the game is this? Why are we seeing this from this thing?

What should the Clippers do if they lose tonight against Dallas? Where are we at on the Clippers at this stage? The staff record label and motherfucking crew. They need a big. You know, you got three players out there who's ball dominant. Paul George, Honeyburn, Hardin, and Kawhi when he's dominant. What's his day? What's his day?

Honey bun hard. Yeah, y'all know why I'm calling that. Anytime you give a man a bag full of cash and honey buns, granted, inside joke or not, you, that's kind of suspect. You calling me sweet, dog? You know what I'm saying? Like, what the hell?

You call me, I'm a sweet-ass dude or something. But all three of them are ball dominant, though. So for them to be effective, they got to have that ball in their hand, at least 85, 90% of the time. And to me, that just doesn't work with them because if I'm ball dominant now, with other dudes ball dominant, well, I'm on the wing, especially if I ain't the number one option, I'm on the way. And I'm just standing there in the corner, you know, assed out.

But I think the clippers, they definitely need some low post scoring, some inside scoring, because, you know, you have your wing players, you got your guard. You know, you got Kauai, you got PG, you got Hardin. You got Russ. You got your wings in your guards. They ain't got no big men. So whoever they match up against that has just even a seven-footer,

it's going to be hard for them. Another instance of trying to get a superstar instead of rounding out your roster to what you're supposed to. They are small. I would say two things for them, and I'll keep it quick. One, stars in this league,

no matter what they say when they go to join other stars, deep down, don't love the role change of being the guy who's got to stand there and watch. I don't give a shit what they tell you in interviews. So if you're winning, that feeling that you have a like, damn, dog, I got to stand over here and watch. That's not what I'm used to doing. That's easier, like, buried because you're winning.

But when you're not winning, that thing is creeping up to the surface at all times for dudes who are used to being ball dominant and now can't be because they got to play with somebody else who was like that. That's number one. Number two, the theme, and I would plaster it all around our, practice facilities and whatnot for the Clippers, no matter if they win or lose is reliability. Like that would be my slogan. Reliability. I need reliability. I need it from, I need it from Kauai.

Listen, dog, I need to know that we can rely on you to be a champion for the Clippers to be available to the Clippers. I rely on a lot of fronts, reliable. And then as far as gameplay goes, like, you know, like we need James Hardin and and Paul George to be reliable. we can't be in situations. It does not work if Norman Powell or Vakazuobots or whoever have to be the breadwinners for us offensively. That's not. We don't pay them to do that. Yeah.

Ain't going to work. Like at some point, at some point, you got to say, hey, dog, like, I'm sitting in a locker. Like, whatever I made during my career, I'm looking at like Steve or tricks or Amari. Like, motherfucker, do you get paid to do that? Like, I love you. But, like, they don't pay me. to, like, they pay you to win the games. I just help.

Oh, mammas. Oh, mama. Shit. Roger made a great point, though, like, with the superstar aspect, but, like, how did you, in Detroit, how did, how did you put your mind up to be like, I am going to take on this role of, because you weren't the guy. Like, that wasn't your team. You're going into a situation where it's not your team.

And you were able to adjust to that, like, mentally and what was that journey like? What was that like for you going into Detroit and figure that out? It was easy. And I say that for the simple fact of, with me being in Portland, I just didn't want to beat a man. You know what I'm saying? I felt as though like five was greater than one when it comes to numbers. So one dude is not going to beat you. Five can, but one dude can.

So that's the mentality that I've always grew up with, even coming from high school. So when I went to Detroit, got traded to Detroit. And it was like, all right, you're going in there. you got to have that mental like, okay, I'm with Rick, I'm with Chauncey, Cajon, Finn, got Lindsay Hunter. Guys in that locker room were on other teams, they could have been the man. You know what I'm saying? But I think it was almost kind of sort of like a Carolina thing, you know what I'm saying?

And what I mean by that is when Dean Smith was recruiting all these Burger Boy, All-American, everybody on their team was the man. But when you went to North Carolina, yo, you're going to take a back seat to being a man. It's going to be humble and it's going to go with seniority. So getting to Detroit, yeah, Chauncey was the man. Rick was the man.

You know, Tay was the only one who was already there. You know, Ben was the man, especially on defense. You know what I'm saying? So my thing to them was like, yo, I'm not trying to come in here. I'm not trying to change your game. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to come in and be where I'm needed, help where I'm needed. You know what I'm saying?

They didn't need me to come in there and be that powerful to try to average 30. No, they just needed a good, solid low-post scoring and low-post defender. All right, bet, what? All the pressure ain't on me to lead us in scoring every night? What? I got, I'm playing out there with four other dudes, and that's starting five who could do that? I'm like, oh, man, we're crazy. You know, and it's the mentality of it, though.

like I didn't care if I, but it came off the bench, you know, because I'm like this. All right, coming off the bench. Now I'm in that six-man role and that you just said, that's a different mentality. So I'm already looking at the game. So now I can go in there and see where I'm needed. But with the whole, it was just a look, this y'all team, I'm just here. I'm glad to be here. You know what I'm saying?

I'm coming in because y'all was already here for training camp. Y'all got that bond already. I have to find that bond with y'all. And it was just a matter of just sitting back and, you know, everything fell in order. And, you know, it was cohesiveness not only on the court, but also court. You know, I found that Detroit team to be just as big family-orientated as that Portland team I just left. So, and that made us bond stronger. That made you fight for your brother more, fight for your dog more, you know what I'm saying?

What is it like seeing Detroit right now? I know you guys are the OGs now. Do you guys go on the group chat and just like express utter disqualness? disappointment in the team? Like, how do you feel right now in the organization? Yeah, we still in a group chat. It's tough, of course, but it's on ownership with

that one, man. In my opinion, they get a new owner, they get a basketball owner because, you know, a lot of these owners out here, they only buy these teams, and I'm not just talking basketball, they only buy these teams to be part of the BBC. I'm a new member of the BBC, and that's like the

initiation, I got to buy a sports team. To me, in my opinion, the owner of the pisses down. He isn't a sports dude. Yeah, he likes basketball as far as watching, but you don't know the ends and outs of basketball or how to build that winning team as that owner. That's why they call

him for his head now. And then they're after every game in Detroit where it wasn't a sellout. They call him sell the team. Sell the team. You know, you hear in them chance a lot. I mean, yeah, it hurts to see that

once great organization just fall by the wayside that fast. It's tough. Sorry for that, dog. Let's get to what? It's Thursday, or it's Friday, excuse me. So that means it's time for real one of the week. I will start it off, and then Sheed and Rajah can give their real one of the week.

I'm going to go with Kendrick Lamar for bringing hip hop back, maybe put my backpack back on. That euphoria joint was incredible. He was amazing. It was amazing. It made me bring the feeling. back, bro. It was great. I don't know how Drake's going to recover from this. It's going to be interesting. The West is back. We ain't fucking around. You know how we do. You know how we doing beef? We don't

fuck around on the coast. So I'm going to go with Kendrick Lamar with Euphoria. Oh, and he had a new joy this morning too. But yeah, he's on Drake's ass and I'm loving it. So that is my rule of the week, Mr. Kijikramar. Yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's for an audience of one. It's, it's for an audience of one. It's for Drake. The euphoria was for the streets and talking shit. This one's for Drake. It's an audience of one. So there's a little entendre, but it's not going to give you the feeling of euphoria.

But it's just for, it's not for us. It's for him. So that's all I'm going to say on that one. That's my run of the week. Kendrick Lamar. Roger, who is your real one of the week? Yeah, my real one of the week. I'm going to go with the New York Knicks fans.

Sorry, she. New York Knicks fan base, Jalen Brunson, the Knicks in general. It's been a long time. I know they've been close. I know everybody felt like they fumbled the bag, and they did to some degree at home the other night. But they figured it out and they got out of that first round.

And honestly, I mean, we didn't talk to match up, but I could see a scenario where they keep playing. So congratulations. Real one of the week. The Knicks, Jalen Brunson, and a fan base. Congrats. Let's get it. Timberland's in the sky.

My real one of the week is actually two of them. I got to tip my hat to Tyrese Maxie, aka O'Daw, and Joel Embed. You know, and I say that they put the city on their back. You know, it was a roller coaster season up and down, and, you know, they gave us life. And now hopefully we can, we know what they can do. Hopefully the front office that the Sixers can add to that to try to get past this first round because the Knicks are a good team, but I don't see championship caliber in them this year.

So, and I, to be honest, I didn't see it with us this year. But I'm glad that the guys fought for the city, and the city had their back, you know what I'm saying? We've been having Joel back since day one, and no matter how many knee surgeries and back injuries and bad feet and all that shit, you know, he still got the Philly fans captivated. So I would say in Tyrese Maxie, I mean, old dog, it ain't too much to say about him.

We all see him coming into himself and starting to make himself a household name. And so I took my hat to them. They're my real ones of the week to represent the crib. And, you know, we're going to get him next time now. All right, man. I've made a decision. Rashid Wallace is a friend of the show. Okay?

We're going to come back anytime. He's here. No doubt. Anytime, doll. You know that. I fuck with y'all. It's good. It's good. Oh, before, let me, let me plug. You could catch, you could catch Rashid Wallace. Sheed and Tyler, Tyler I am, Twitter legend. You could catch him. I think that

was it Monday? Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. Live at 5. The Sheed and Tyler show. Presented by Underdog Fantasy. So check them out. Check us out on Mondays and Fridays on the Ringer NBA feed. For future reference, you just let the guys plug it themselves, Logan, and then you ain't got to worry about, like, what you just fumbled on. I just want them to, like, see that I fuck with him. That's what I was just trying to do. I just wanted to see that I wasn't a no. All right.

And you fucked up my plug on us just by fucking around. So anyways, real ones on Mondays and Fridays, all right? Jesus. All right, I'll talk to you guys soon on Monday. Roger fucked it all up. But this all I'll talk to y'all show. Ah, all the shit. Bye.

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