The Ringer NBA Show - The 2026 Take-a-Thon, Part 2 | Real Ones

Episode Date: February 14, 2026

Logan, Howard, and The Ringer’s own Tyler Parker conclude their two-part conversation with more left-field takes on the most-talked-about players in the NBA. Jomi Adineron then analyzes his favorite takes from each participant and crowns the winner of Take-a-Thon 2026.(0:00:00) Intro (3:33) LeBron James  (10:08) Chet Holmgren (12:06) Nikola Jokic  (16:51) Kawhi Leonard  (19:22) Devin Booker  (21:25) Victor Wembanyama  (28:36) Jalen Brunson  (32:21) Jalen Duren  (34:00) Denny Avdija (34:59) Steph Curry (44:06) Donovan Mitchell  (47:34) Alperen Şengün  (50:33) Shai Gilgeous-Alexander  (56:50)  Jomi announces Take-a-Thon winner Hosts: Logan Murdock and Howard BeckGuests: Tyler Parker and Jomi AdeniranProducers: Logan Murdock, Conor Nevins, Victoria Valencia, Ben Cruz, and John RichterVideo Producers: Victoria Valencia, Sarah Reddy, and Donald LoBiancoAudio Producer: Chris SuttonGraphics and Show Art: John RichterProduction Supervision: Ben Cruz and Conor NevinsAdditional Production Support: John Richter, T. Cruz, Nick Kosut, and Hannah Leikin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello again, Logan Murdoch here live from Spotify Studios here in Los Angeles, here for part two of our first ever take-a-thon where we finally crown a champion for the best take, the take champion given to us by Jomeo Dineran. It was a very, very fun show. A lot of surprising. I'm very surprised by the champion here. I think it's a bit of malpractice, but we get into all of that next. Victoria by the theme music.

What's popping? Real ones. Logan Murdoch here. For part two of our take-a-thon, sorry. I'm a little bit distracted by the distinguished panel. Myself, Tyler Parker, and Howard Beck is here. The Battle Ready Back. Battle-ready back.

At least I think it is... Hey! Are we doing a podcast? We're doing a podcast. I heard it was going to get a little intense here. Tyler's come with some flaming hot takes. Yeah. As a Game of Thrones fan, I thought, like,

If you're going to take on a dragon with Flaming Hot Takes, you got to have the armor here. My neck is never going to be the same. My hand may never be the same. Listen, when you're broadcasting from the house of our studio, you've got to be all in. Absolutely. This is fantastic. I'm taking this home. Hell yeah.

We are here for part two, like I said, of the Takeathon. Let's regroup with some of the rules here. We have each been tasked to analyze a group of players on the separate All-Star teams, team stars, team stripes, and team worlds, each pick will be heavily scrutinized by our resident take expert, Jomey Idinaran, who is in the building with us. Hello, Jomey. Going on, guys. Are we happy to be here. Go home. All right. So you are, Jomey, you are tasked to give the Take Champion Award at the end of this. Based on your preference, good takes, whatever takes that are on your preference that you like, dislike, and you're going to award us. This is a very prestigious

award, first sort of award we've ever had. Are you ready to do this? What is your formula? How should we cozy up to the guest of honor? And how many bonus points do I get for wearing a night's helmet? I mean, the night's helmet was pretty clutch. You do love to

see that, Howard, you know, doing the yes and. I just want to be completely honest with you guys. I'm taking this extremely seriously. Okay. Okay. There's literally nothing in the world that means more to me right now than making sure that I get this right. Because that's what the people want.

Let's do it. This is Netflix ready. This is big time. All right. What we're not going to do is come out here and pretend. Like, this is not the All-Star game of 2024, you know, where they just out there playing around. This is All-Star game of 2020. We're taking charges.

We're locking in. Let's go. Let's do it. Let's go. And if I win, the charity of my choice gets a million dollars, right? Well, so here's the thing, though. If we're basing this off the 2020? Well, here's the thing, though.

Logan, Howard, you know, me and Tyler go. way back. That's true. We're Miller High Life for us. You know what I mean? So like that's my guy. You guys. I'm trying to be, I'm trying to be objective, but me and Tyler got, you know, we got a long-standing thing going on. So, wow. A couple highlights coming your way no matter what. I mean. I love you, man. Okay. All right. All right. We'll see Jemey at the end of the show to get the awards.

But without further ado, let's get back into the action. Take a look at the screen. LeBron James. Oh, wow. Okay. There we go. We got Clutch Jomey in the house. So let's All right, let's talk about LeBron for the first player of the time. Okay, I have a lot of things we can go with LeBron. But LeBron is finally at a place where he cannot bend the narrative to his will anymore for a number of reasons, right? The Luca trade, the way the media apparatus is kind of set up now and it's not set up in his favor as it was maybe in the mid-2010s. and I feel like he's going to need to pivot

for the final twilight of his career and I wonder how he's going to be able to manage doing that. I guess it depends on whether or not these next couple months are the end of his career. I don't think it will be. You don't think it will be. I don't think it will be. Our opinion is not necessarily shared

by others who we might have seen in the building last night when we were attending the Laker game. There are others who are monitor this situation closely who think that this may well be the end. I don't get that sense. That would be one of the most confounding things in NBA history for him to go out in this way. I think one of the most public front-facing superstars we've ever seen, and that includes Jordan, someone who any camera he wants to be in front of,

he wants to control his own narrative based on in front of the camera, on Twitter, any social media being in every single conversation. like it's almost like Drake of him to be in every single type of conversation and be of the algorithm. Smiling through it all. For him to just vanish without a trace would be pretty odd. I mean, I think even if he did stop, and I'm not saying that's what I think is going to happen. I think even if he did retire, I don't think this guy's vanishing without a trace anyway. This guy's going to either immediately go into some sort of media role.

He's going to do a podcast, right? Well, he'll keep doing the pod or he'll, I mean, he, he, we, He's made no, you know, secrets about wanting to be an owner in the league and stuff like that. But what is your take that he's going to go somewhere else in play? Well, he's never going to have the control that he once did. And a lot of that has to do, well, one, the Luca trade that just that upended a lot of his plans. This is the first time he's not at the top of the totem pole. Yeah.

And also, he, you know, him going to the Lakers, he kind of, it was the first time in his career we ever met his match in terms of leverage. because with all the other teams, he could impose his will on the organization. With a team like the Lakers, you can't do that. You were just one of... Well, he could until they got Luca. Well, no. Like, he could, in theory, within the front office, perhaps,

but amongst the fan base, he's just another great player to come into the fold, right? Like, oh, yeah, we've had Magic Johnson, who got his five rings. How many have you got us? That's the... This is the only time he's ever had to deal with that. So you combine that with the Luca trade,

which, I mean, I think something that we don't really talk about is Luca, for years, the Lakers have been overwhelmingly influenced by Clutch in the front office. And Luca, who was who was rep by W&E, completely upends that power with it that they have within that framework of the front office. So not only is LeBron upended, but his team is upended in the way they move throughout the building. Now they have to share. And I'm just going to, I'm wondering how that's going to play over the next four months to a year. Because if he goes to the Cavs now, like he's not going to have, still not have the same power.

He's still going to be lurching onto another power source where he doesn't have the influence that he once had. And I'm just fascinated to see how he and his team deals with that. Yeah. And I think, I do think that LeBron has a, sense of the moment, right? Always. That's been one of his superpowers, I think.

In a very healthy way right now. I wrote, you know, a couple months ago when he was coming back that he needed to emulate late stage Kareem where Kareem decided it's time to pass the torch to magic or allow it to be passed. Like Kareem didn't decide as much as Riley did. But there was the moment. It's now his show. LeBron is not forced it at all.

LeBron's playing off when Austin Reeves is playing. He's even playing off Austin. He's giving up the ball early. LeBron's playing his role as a super high level. level co-star now, which is a really weird phrase to attach to a guy who is one of the greatest of all the time. He has done that willingly. And so if he can do that on the court, why can't he do that in terms of everything else that goes around that? I don't know how that looks. I like a lot of people think he's probably done in terms of the Lakers after this season. I don't think that that

marriage is going to continue. They really need to be all in on how to build around Luca now, whether that's with simple things like the salary cap, right? You can't tie. up a lot of money in a soon to be 42-year-old if you're trying to rebuild around Luca for the next five years. So there's a practical reality here. And if that means LeBron lands with the Cleveland Cavaliers again or goes to gold stage, but I think that's even about, even the fact that we're having this conversation, that's a byproduct of that of how monumental that trade was, right? Because it was the first time in the history of LeBrondom that he has been surprised and not in control of his destiny.

And I think now all of a sudden, it's been a struggle for him to be a number two or be anything other than a number one. And it seems like now he's like, it feels like a betrayal for him or to him. And now he's thinking about going to other teams where the play here in my view is probably just stay in LA. You're going to get the best farewell. if you just do what Kareem did, which was, oh, okay, this dude magic. What Kareem did in the 80s was one of the most selfless acts that a player of Kareem's

caliber has ever done. And this was a chance for LeBron to do that. And it seems like just the fact that we're here shows that he hasn't done it to the effect that maybe he could have done to get everything that he wants, which is the glory and the farewell tour and to be at the to be at the stature that he believes and honestly should be. So it's going to be fascinating

to see what his next year is going to look like. Who was the next player in the list? Chet Holmgren? Yeah, Tyler had to have this one. And thank you so much. I think Chet needs to bleach his hair and shave his beard into a mustache and get 10 to

15 visible tattoos. I think that Chet should look like Ryan Gosling in place beyond the pines. I thought you were going for like Birdman. No, no, I think well, I mean, you know,

I don't think he needs to get just absolutely wild. I don't think we need to get like, you know, up under the beard, you know what I mean? But like, I think,

I think Chet needs to embrace his inner sleaze a little bit and start to peacock some. I don't think that's not happening. I don't think that's happening. I don't think that's a lot of people in it. This isn't about what's happening. This isn't about what's happening.

You need to be like Joe Borough or something. I'm a man with a job. dream, yes. He's going to be M&M. Sure. If he wants to shave his head, that's fine. I do think he runs the risk of looking a little bit like a penis if he does that. But I think that, but I, but I, but I, I support, I support whatever he wants to do. I do think that he, I really do feel Ryan Gosling and Place Beyond the Pines plus a stash. I think that he, I think the game goes up a level. I, you know, like, I really do. And he, I mean, he's already. You think if that happens, he's going to actually just start talking shit to Wemby again?

Even though the Wimby thing, I think Wembe cares a lot more about the rivalry than he wants. He's trying to antagonize Chet into a robbery. Which he doesn't give up. That's a better player in the so-called rivalry. It's usually the other guy who's like. But Chet doesn't care about that. What's the weird thing? Chet's got the hardware, baby.

He's got rings. Okay. All right. A ring. I have no. Do you have a rebuttal to the penis transformation that he is suggested? I mean, listen, I've only been a, you know, standing member of this podcast. for the last two and a half years.

Can I just assume that that was the first invocation of the word penis on this podcast? Yeah, I hope so. I think so. Congratulations. All right. Let's forget that ever happened. Next player.

Yokic. Howard. Nicola Yokic. Awesome player. Isn't he awesome? Awesome. He's awesome. I'm going to stipulate one thing before I say the thing,

which is that I am not a count the rings with multiple Z's person. Kobe didn't convert you for all those years that you covered him. I figured that was like an osmosis sort of situation. It seems like with every every person that has covered Kobe has like gotten the propaganda of Kobe. And it's like, oh, it's like Stephen A is a great example of like, you need to do this. If you're going to win, you need this many range. I will admit that there's a certain amount of like internalizing of like Kobe's, it wasn't the mama mentality because he was not the mamba during the years I covered him. For sure.

game later. But like the insane work ethic, the obsessiveness and everything, you, like, you can't walk away from that without now judging every other fucking player for the rest of history through that lens. And I admit I sometimes do. It's an unfair standard. You want all these guys in like pajama pants after they have a bad game and stuff and, uh, shooting with them. I want them all getting up at three in the morning to, uh, to go get up some shots and lift weights and stuff, you know, maybe go to bed at six, uh, wake up again at 6.05 and then do the whole thing over the game. Yeah, but they're not doing that. They're playing the game. You got to get on the sticks.

I hate to say it. I hate to say it. Nicoliochich needs another ring. For what, though? So he's got three MVPs and a finals MVP, and if he retired tomorrow, we would already regard him as one of the all-time greats. But his talent level and the things he does on the court

and just every amazing sequence from him, his incredible court vision, all of this, his scoring. Like, we're always going to remember him as a passer first because he's so great. But he's a dominant scorer. And he's done it in a way that, like, no other player, like, he's one of one. And doesn't give a fuck, but I give a fuck. And I think that what's going to happen is, like, 30 years from now, if he never wins another one,

people are going to be like, you know, grandpa, you keep telling me about, like, you know, this guy who did all this and then whatever. And I'm looking at stats, whatever, like, how come he only won one? Like, we do this sometimes, right? And I'll just put this out, point this out. So he's in the three MVP club. There's only, you know, so everybody who's got at least three MVP's, Kareem six championship rings Jordan six rings, Bill Russell, 11 rings, LeBron, four rings,

wilt two, Magic Five, Bird, three, and then Moses who has just the one. But Yolkich is better than Moses. Sorry. Like, you're in this group of three-time and up MVP's. He could get a fourth, you could get a fifth, for all I know. But we're going to, it's going to happen. Whether I like it or not, when it's all said and done, he ends up with five MVP's, but only, only one championship. It's going to be like...

I think it depends, man. Like, I don't... It's funny because you were the first, like, national pundit or a pundit, whatever, national voice that is really, like, kind of actually had this criticism of Yolkish. It's not a criticism. Not a criticism, but like... It's an observation. An observation and a mandate.

I think it's a criticism of the way that people think about these things. Not a criticism of Yokicich. But what I'm saying, though, is... Yokic is largely skated past this. It's just been like, for whatever it is, no, but for whatever it is, it's just been like, oh, we're just in all of the stat lines. And like, he's had series where it's like, oh, my God, like the Oklahoma City series where Denver's completely undermanned and we're like, how the fuck are they even in this series, right? Until game 70 was unbelievable. Right. And so, but he, even with the game 70 he has, he doesn't get the criticism when he does do wrong.

There's this weird, like very, very polarized. Yonis doesn't get it either. I think he perks it on himself as much. I don't think he gets the, even of the Rings culture, he doesn't get it based on his talent. We have Yokic zealots who think he should have won like five, six straight MVPs. And then we have Yokic Datters who think he's already won too many MbPs.

Those people exist. It includes a lot of like former players with podcasts. He takes a lot of shots. I don't mean basketball shots. He takes a lot of blows. Like there is still, I think, a skepticism of him. that I don't think is warranted. There's a zealotry that also...

I think it's a jealousy thing, too, as well. Yeah. And he's done... Also, because he's just done it differently, right? He's not dominant like Michael was. He's not even dominant like Kevin Durant. And he also didn't come into the league with expectations. The second round pick.

Yeah. So I think people... And he just looks the way he looks and he plays the way he plays. But it's all incredibly effective. So I think to put all those people to rest and to shut them up, he just needs the extra hardware to go behind. You know the dirty little secret is? They're never going to shut up.

I know, especially the ones with the podcast. Next, next player. Kauai Leonard, I was going back and forth on this one. I was going to, I was going to say, and just trying to take a cop out and just say he's the scariest player in the league going into the backstretch of the season. But I want to have like a really, you know, formative conversation about Kauai Leonard.

I think that he's the most confound. This isn't the take, but he is the most confounding. superstar of the modern era and that teams have just and it speaks to his ability when he's on the floor have just backed up the bank brink's truck and gave given him full

commitments and I don't think I don't think it's necessarily warranted that wouldn't be warranted for other players based on the injury history and the ability and I do wonder when it's all said and done in an era where

ownership in the league is doing everything they can to take money out of players' pockets. I do wonder if he is going to be an avatar for owners in future collective bargaining agreements to be like, this is why we can't pay them guaranteed money because we can't either trust them to stay healthy on the floor or we don't want to get bullied into situations like this. I'm not saying that he bullied the clippers. The clippers did this by their own volition. But it's been, I don't think that a team, especially the Clippers, has gotten the bang for the buck that they have paid Kauai. And I wonder if that's going to be used against players for future generations.

I don't have any intel on this, but it's just a fear that I have going forward over the next few bargaining agreements. I mean, he's not the first player to make Max money and not be able to stay healthy. Yeah, it's true. He might be the first to have also gotten like a bunch of different side deals that are going to take down the entire organization. but you know um shout out uncle dennis what's going on also not completely i mean you know and also not completely his fault he's a capitalist just like everybody else in this business i thought your kawai take was going to be like he's the foremost player environmentalist of our time you know i think his attitude towards the environment is aspirational you know i think it's something that we should all

strive for you i don't know i don't have anything else i was stretching for kawai i think you're I think you're missing the force for the trees on that one. Really good. Really good, Jemmy. Next one. Devin Booker, Tyler. All right. The all black book twos with the white swoosh,

that's the best signature shoe going right now. That's the best iteration of a player signature shoe. He wore them last night. Today's February 11th. Last night, February 10th against the match. I think it was a fragment collab. Was it the fragment collab? Maybe so.

But I think this is the best. I'm a minimalist when it comes to my sneakers. I don't need a lot of loud, bright colors, really. I'm a fan of black, and I think this is the best player shoe on the market. Howard, sit this one out, buddy. You don't have to tell me to sit out a conversation that I have absolutely no clue about. I think that he has the best sig since Kyrie. And I was going to say since Kobe, but I think, like, in terms of,

In terms of, it's a throwback? I don't love Kyrie's as much as... The kids love Kyrie's, the kids love LaMello's. But here's what I love about. The Jaws, kids love. You see a lot of kids in Jaws. What I love about books signature line is this is a throwback to when you can wear basketball shoes with everything.

Yes. And he like, I love how he warms up like a normal person, right, with the normal fit of like the cutoff sweats and like a tank top and a beanie. I think he should wear, I think the NBA should. institute some kind of rule that allows Booker to wear a beanie during games. He's a secondary take. I feel strong. He's going to wear a Nike drive-it,

Beanie? I think he should. I've been liking the Beanie look for him since he got pissed off at those people for doubling them in that pickup game years ago. I really think that they should start to let players incorporate beanies into the mix. You know, hey, we need to wear, hey, put Isaiah Stewart in a beanie, okay? Would Book in a Beanie? Who's an all-beenie team?

Just foot of all in Beanie's. You know Tyler Heroes were in a beanie. It's going to be a Prada Beanie. He's going to rock a Prada Bini. All right. I know Howard has no take on this. He's wearing all birds. So, the next one,

Victor Wimbonyama, Howard, motherfucking Beck. Wemby. We just saw him. This is a great take. We just saw him last night. He was fucking awesome. He was playing. What do you have?

Like 25 in the first quarter? It was like 29. He had 35 in like three minutes. We were like, oh, shit. Is he going to go for 70? But they were blowing him out by like 30 going in. If only the Lakers hadn't fielded a G-league team. He might have had more incentive to keep playing.

That's what I was going to say, no LeBron, no Luca, no Reeves, right? Yeah. Okay. Well, he was, it was a mouse in the house with him and a fellow by the name of Kobe. That was number 18. No, I saw the, the Bufkin boys were pumped last night. Get some Bufkin minutes. I appreciated that.

How would you take? Victor Wembenyama is the next face and arms and legs and everything else of the NBA. Can we just say he's the best player in the league yet or no? Next year. We'll just say that next year. I'm going to hold off on going to that point because of... This is the take-a-thon. No, no, no, no.

It's going to be fun to watch the Yokic zealots have to reckon with Wimby on the come-up here because both players speak to the same demo of writer and fan. Remember the Clayton Bigsby skit on Chappelle's show where the guys, Neil Brennan's head exploded in the meeting? That's what's going to happen with the Yolid Zelots next year. So people hate this face of the NBA thing. It's not a real thing. But like ever since we had Michael,

who was able to be not just the best player in the game, the most dominant player, the most winning player, but was also the most charismatic, the most compelling, the most popular. You think Wimby's charismatic? Yeah, he's going to get there. Wimby? I'm going to get there.

You think he's like cool and interesting? I think that's the hottest take of it. Oh my God, okay. I mean, he's a great player. I don't think he's like, man, I want to go hang out with that guy. I do. You want to go hang out with Wimby?

Fuck yeah. Okay. Why wouldn't I? He's going to kick my ass in chess, but like he's going to tell me about like Buddhist monks and like meditation. Oh, oh, I forgot. I forgot. We had Oklahoma City Thunder fan here. I think Wimbi Niam is amazing and definitely will probably be the best player in the league next year.

I do think people get a little, uh, little too jazzed up about him sometimes. But I don't know what the funniest thing was. Playing chess doesn't make a person interesting. You know what the funniest thing was? It doesn't. to the draft. They were talking a Brian Wenthorse,

who I love, we all love on here. But they were, the biggest thing that they were talking about was like, you know, his favorite artist

is Keith Herring. I was like, I mean, the most mainstream. The most basic. Like, come on. He's like,

he was like 19 at the time. All he told me is that he likes going in Unique Club. Listen, here's the thing. I still think he's interesting more. I think you're just hating because you're O.G.

I still think he's like really interesting. And I do think that he is a guy that is going, to take the baton, like, where we didn't know if, you know, how Steph was the guy that was the league pass guy when he's cooking, you have to watch it with your own eyes. I think he is that guy. Oh, I agree with that. When in press conferences, we were in there yesterday, he has like some bites where you're like, oh, oh, that's how you feel? I like that. It's a throwback. And I don't know, man, maybe, you know,

I'm too, I might be too old now to kick it with Wimby and like it might be boring for me, but I'm sure people want to kick it with Wimby. I think if you, if you're want to hang out with somebody who's constantly talking about how hard they work, that sounds pretty exhausting to me. At every opportunity, every down moment in the conversation, they're like, man, P.S., I work so hard. For the end of their appeal beyond the hard force, right? Have the casual fans in.

Yeah. Michael pulled in everybody, right? Stefan McDonnell in everything. Kobe at his best. And it's not because just because you're dominant. Shea is awesome. Shea's dumb. We'll get to him later.

Yokech is awesome. He's dumb. We've got a lot of players who are dominant. But to be a face of the NBA as somebody who is an ambassador of it and who was in the casual fan of everything, you have to not just be dominant and spectacular, fun to watch, and yes, charismatic, whether that's court charisma or whether that's personality.

And you have to want it. And Wemby seems to really be comfortable with this. He enjoys this. He enjoys the media back of course. He enjoys going to Washington Square Park or wherever it was, play chess in the rain. He's really, he's really, comfortable with himself.

And he's also just this incredible, like he's an alien for a reason, right? Yeah. He just confounds the imagination. He's fascinating to watch. And yes, I do think he has a certain kind of charisma. It's not the same as like a Steph or a Michael or whatever. But it's his own kind of, he's got his own weird vibe.

It's a little intellectual. But I think it's fun and it's interesting. And he embrace it. I don't think you're selling Tyler. I think he's got on court charisma. I think he's exciting as hell to watch. And I think he does stuff. else can do. And in that way, like, yes, like, he's, he's, he's catnip for fans, right?

Like, it's, you can't, you can't not take your eyes off of him. And I totally agree with you that whenever he's, like, running hot, it's, it is like, Steph in the old days where it's like, you got to go watch and see, is he taking a one-footed floater three-pointer? Like, he does wild, wild stuff. I don't think he's like an exciting hang or someone that I want to to hear like. You don't think he's going to Atlantic City before a night and four-game? player I most want to have a beer with. I just said he's going to be the next base of the NBA. I don't think he, I'm not like watching him off the court in his interviews or

something and thinking like, man, what an incredible personality. Listen, of all the, of all the players that we've evaluated in the course of this series, he's not the one that you decided you needed to like full body tattoo and put and spike his hair up and bleach his hair. Like, so. Well, no, that's, that has nothing to do with Chet's charisma. That's just, that's my own. That's, that's what I believe.

So you're saying. I'm just saying. I believe that's best for me. I mean, that's really selfish about my part. He's more of an aunt guy. He wants to, anytime and is on. I like Am. Ant is a, yeah, we should have probably made that take.

Ant is probably the most interesting. I think he, you could, there's a case you can make that he's more interesting. I think it might be where Wimby's kind of like it's more manufactured interest where it's like, he does this. Isn't this interesting? I kind of want to go into Ant's world because it's kind of wild. Like, you know how you wanted to go into Jordan's world? Because it's like, oh, sure. Maybe there's something there.

Yeah, I kind of, just like, let me spend. a day in maybe I'm talking to my editors and people who are listening let me go spend a day with Aunt Edward

and see how it works out um who's next I think you're I think he's like the face of the league conversation is sometimes exhausting to me

and I kind of don't even care about it but I agree that it's definitely him like it has to be yeah but that's also like it's also

the face of the league thing has also nothing to do with personality has to do with like who is the most corporately viable and who is the most who you can sell to eight-year-olds. And, you know, it's like the Disneyland.

It's like five different things and you need to be able to check every box. And I think he does. And I think some of the other guys who at least maybe are dominant players or are fun to watch, don't check the other boxes. It's a difference between Michael Jordan and Alan Ivers to the consumer, whatever that means. Who's the next player? Runson. Okay, I tried, let's see what we got here.

Top five small guard of all time is in the conversation. I think he might be. Oh, yeah. Where's our cutoff for small? I said 6-2 and below. Hmm. So all time. Isaiah's number one with the mix of championships in game.

It's Chris Paul. No, Alan Iverson over Chris Paul. For sure. Just individually. That's vibes. I agree with you on a vibes. Chris Brown. Who I want to go hang out with?

That would I love to hang on. You try to go to TJ Fridays later? I would love to go to DJ Friday. Go. No, that's probably Chris fall over. It's so polarized. Who else? Did you put Jalen Brunson right up in there?

Who am I missing? Nate Archibald. Who am I missing? Isaiah Thomas, Boston Celtic? He had a good run, but, you know. Are you defending a Celtic right now? I'm just saying, that's crazy. That's crazy.

That is crazy. There's not a lot of small guards success. But I did not end my take. But I did not, my take is a. over. I don't think it'll be enough for the next to win the title. The fact of his ability. I think there's a ceiling. Sorry, Ben. I know you're going to watch all of this. Sorry, buddy. I don't think it's good. I think that his ability is only going to get them to a certain point.

And I don't know if there's a pivot there for the next. But I will say this. Mike Dan Tony always just tell Roger Bell, sometimes you're not going to win a championship. You just tell us a son, sometimes you're not going to win a championship. But if you can win a lot of games and have a lot of of fun. It's a good season. I think there's going to be a lot of that for the mix with jail and Brussels. No disagreement. And it's not because of like, I'm not, I don't know that I subscribe to the idea like, oh, a team built around a player of this stature can never win because of X, Y, Z. You have the right players around him. And especially in today's NBA, there are ways to account for that. I don't know if the Knicks have the apparatus in place to be able to do that.

I just don't, I just don't know that they've got that. Now, look, as long as teams can put Kat and him in picking roles, I think you have a problem in terms of playoff defense. Brunson is miraculous offensively and is... They're playing three on five in the playoffs. God bless Mitchell Robinson.

He's doing yeoman's work down there. I can't do this. Brunson is one of the league leaders in how did he get that off and it went in? You know what I mean? Like it... And I think Brunson in the playoffs is a special experience. Like, when games get into a grind and you have to be able to just go get stuff one-on-one,

I think he is a very, very fun watch. I know that fans of teams that have played against him will be like he's flailing and flopping all over the place. But just as someone who has not been one of those people, I think he's a blast to watch operate in these big steak big kids. Yo, how he ended that series against Detroit was a sight to be hold. Amazing. That was incredible. Just you got the whole experience.

He's like if, never mind, I'm not going to say that. Next question. Next player. I love a lefty too. I wish I was lefty. I wish I was so bad. I was talking to a friend earlier.

She was a lefty back in the, a couple days ago. And she was talking about just how hard it is to be a lefty because you got to bump arms with other people. It's hard to eat. You know, it's like, yeah. I was like, you know what? I'll take that on.

for a day. Let's see how it goes, a day for the option of the rest of our life to be elected. Anyway, that leads us to Jalen Duren. So these are the best shoulders in the league now. And I don't think it's close. There's Dwight Howard's shoulders. Also, I think these are the best shoulders this century. I think they're better than Dwight's. Wow.

Should we have the jersey that Dwight had? Remember Dwight had the extra smearment joint? And it was just like right here. I was like, how did you, I don't even know they made that cut. I'm not sure the public could handle him in a Smedium. I really think that like, it's going to get steamy in Little Seasons. If he's doing that, like, you know, don't get me wrong. Like, give the people what they want, Jalen, for sure, ghost medium.

But if you don't want to subject yourself to that kind of, you know, those ogles, you know, you're a person. You know, you're not just a body. But, no, I don't think we've seen shoulders like this since young David Robbins. Ooh. I think that these are. Like, this is a galactic-sized. He's for show to dude with the weights that is in the mirror just doing shoulder shrugs for like an hour and a half. Yeah.

Just as a warm up for the workout. Yeah. Yeah. I felt bad for most for most of the abate the other day. Here's other thing. You saw Moose didn't actually want to fight. Well, no. You can see during that he didn't actually want to fight.

And a lot of that is probably because he saw those shoulders. But he had to try to do something because he got moose in the fucking face. He saw those shoulders and he felt, you know. But no, a big, big Duren fan, a throwback big, who is the perfect kind of center to pair with K right now. And yeah, I'm a huge fan. And yeah, man, just keep doing those shrugs, you know. Great take. Next player.

Howard. I don't have much on Deniopje. He's had a phenomenal season. By default almost, not by default. He's earned this. He is ready to be the Blazer standard bearer taking the. torch from Dame Lillard, who is now taking his retirement. How about this?

I got another take for you. How about this? Sorry to take your take, but I have a take. How about he proves that the Wizards aren't as smart as they think they are? Well, that is baked into this for sure. And great reminder, too. I think we talked about this a couple months back on the show. But, yeah, like, the Wizards just gave him away.

Just gave him away. A rebuilding team gave away a really turns out good young player who can do. Who actually had moments on the Wizards. If you were, like, really in the depths of league pass and you were. last half season with them, you could start to see what was coming, and that's when they... He's always been a good time in transition. Like, the guy loves to get downhill and can really do some damage. And get to the free throw line.

For a team that waited way too long to decide to move off of first to CJ and then Dame himself, and then they finally decided, okay, we're playing the lottery, and they come away with Scoot, who's been really banged up. I still think Scoot's got a lot of promise. I'm still on Scoot Island. Shaden Sharp, all these guys. And it turns out it's the guy that they stole from the Wizards, who's actually now the hub of their franchise and doing a fantastic job.

Before we get to the next player, I always get reminded of me and you at Summer League, which was like I think that was the beginning of our love affair. Yeah, absolutely. But we really were going hard on scoot. It didn't. It didn't really work out. I think I said there's a force of nature element with Scoot. And, you know, we haven't seen that come to fruition.

That might have been big as talking. I'm on the beaches. He's been hurt. I'm on the beaches of Scoot Island with you, too. It's raining, though. It's raining. It's raining, but you know what? Sometimes that feels good.

Sometimes you get in the water and it's an experience. Yeah. Okay. All right. It's the next player. Steph Curry. Okay. That's me.

I'm in L.A. right now. And if I say this, I don't know if I'm going to be able to get back home to SFO, but I'm going to say it anyway. I think, and it's not his fault. It's really not his fault. But I think, I don't know if we're going to see Steph in the playoffs. Ooh. And it has nothing to do with him.

It has everything to do with the malpractice in Golden State's front office. office over the last few years. And it is so disappointing what they have done or not done, actually. And I think he can only do so much. He has the running knee right now, which is a usage injury. And it's kind of like the sciatica zone where you're like, oh, this is because you're old and you have a lot of miles on you. And he is the number one option on that team. And he just deserves better, man. He's the number one option on that team. And he's getting run into the ground and is getting played like it's 2016. And I think the writing is on the wall.

I think there's on one side, everything can go right with Porzingis and maybe they get 47 wins with everything going right. But also there can be everything going wrong, which is probably the more feasible, the more believable thing going into next season. I think it's going to be tough in the Bay Area. And, you know, it's funny. I always go back to, and this is my second take. of Steph Curry.

I think he's the next dirk. I think he's the modern day Dirk Novinsky. And the fact that he, the malpractice around the front office around him during his later years really robbed him of a chance to getting to a place where he needs to be. And it's very, it's very poetic that,

you know, those two careers. Because I remember I did a big profile called Curry Comic Collected on the ringer. You guys can go check that out. I interviewed Step twice for that. The second time, the first time was the day that Dirk and Vinci got his jersey, his statue in his jersey retire in Dallas. I interviewed him in. And then a couple of- Great statue.

Great statue. And then the day after I talked to the phone with him about that, he was just so excited about seeing that and taking pictures and wanting to be that for the warriors. And it was kind of like, it felt like the kiss of death. They won a championship that year. but ever since then the warriors have done just falling over themselves

there's been other there's other things the Draymond punch has obviously been it was a big catalyst to them not being able to repeat but just the it's crazy

but it's pretty great it's just the writing is on the wall Steph deserves better I don't know I don't think he's going to get better and I don't think

that we're going to see the lawyers in the postings the same way so you say he's the modern Dirk Do you think that he's going to stay with the one franchise for his whole career? You think he's going to... I think he's going to stay. He absolutely is.

I mean, you know, I had the story with stuff, you know, a couple weeks ago. I went and sat down with him for a while to talk about... We'd be talking to Steph on real ones. Also a real one's guest. Go check out the real ones interviewed stuff. Sorry. The premise of that story was about, you know, what does it mean to go out on your own terms? And what do you want for the end stages of your career, realizing that nobody gets to go out on top?

No one gets to go out the way that Michael. did in 1998, and of course, he didn't really go out because he came back and then was a wizard, which is still weird. Steph's not going to do that. He is going to be like Durkin that he's going to, he values the one franchise thing so much so that he was never, he's never going to force his way. He's never going to, like, that's not happening. Yes, he could still be a really viable piece before this recent injury.

He could go somewhere and potentially make a finals run more easily than he could with Golden State. But I don't think the Dirk comparison and the Mavericks comparison is really, apt in that. Dirk got to two finals, spread whatever five years apart, won the one championship. And as soon as he won the one championship, Mark Cuban pulled the plug, made a bad bet,

and they never got back to again. Steph's been to what, six finals, one four? I mean, more so the back, I'm not talking about like their totality. I mean, I'll talk about specifically the back end of their careers. But Dirk had like seven years of that, basically, post-championship.

Steph's last championship was just, three and a half years ago. It's going to be four in, it'll be four in June. But what about by the end? If he doesn't make the playoffs for like, say, he plays three more years, it basically be around the same time period, right? We don't know how much longer he's going to play

and we don't know what else they might do in the meantime. But also, I will just say, like, while not every bet has hit, like, it's not like the Warriors, we've been just standing idly by. They went out and got Jimmy Butler, who was still a top 20, whatever player at the time that they got him.

Now, he just got hurt a few weeks back. Steph is now hurt. Like, things are looking. looking a little bleak because of the age and injury thing catching up with them. But I don't think they've like stood bad. They have made some really bad organizational decisions, standing by the young guys too long, insisting on using all those picks in the first place. Like there were a lot of mistakes made along the way.

There's no question. But I don't think like the crimes against Steph by the Warriors brain trust are at the level of what we've seen with, whether it's dirt or some others, where the franchise just never did enough for them. Steph's fine. I'm not worried about that. I do think they'll make another playoffs. Like as long as this knee thing is not as serious.

But it's going to be recurring though. That seems like an injury that's going to be recurring. We'll see. And it did recur this season, right? Like, he's been dealing with that for a while. And it also speaks to the fact that like if he's a number one, I think this injury is a reminder that of the, just the years he has left and how old he was,

man. Like, that's a lot of, the style of play that he has and him being a number one doing that, there's going to be these little knick-knack injuries. And you're, I don't think that we can just guarantee him just stamping into going into the postseason anymore, simply off of just his injury. And like, the rest of the, this roster was flawed before the trade deadline. It is definitely flawed post-trade deadline. So you're going into a season next year where you're not going to have Jimmy Butler for

until what, at least January. who knows what they do with Porzingis, like what kind of contract they have, but he has this like mysterious illness. And these are not just like, that's weird. Right. And there's,

and there's always so healthy. Right, exactly. And then like you have all these unproven guys that are around, these young guys that haven't really proven anything like, that's Spatsman. Spence or Slander over here. That other teams don't want. And then he just doesn't believe in Gis Santos the way we do.

And then like, And your only alternative is trading all of your picks for Janus. Right? Well, I mean, not the worst option, frankly. Yeah, but then you won't be able to, you know, you won't be able to build your team. I don't know, man. First of all, I don't think they're going to get Janus, right? Like, I think we're all in a group.

I think, I don't know. I think me and you are. I don't know. I don't know why the bucks would accept whatever the warriors can offer them. That trade package seems like, I think the term is dog shit. Like, I don't, I don't know why. So, okay, they don't get yonis, right? You mean you expect Steph with the runners knee and all that stuff at his,

at his capacity, be the only one without any help to lead them back to a postseason next year. I just, I don't see it at this present moment. It would have been good if like during this, during the time as Steph was aging, if they could have gotten some young blood in there that could have helped them offensively and sort of bridge the gap between these two, like between like an early, sort of a younger timeline and an older timeline. If they could have gotten somebody. So wait, there's more than one?

How many timelines are there? At this point, maybe three. I just saw another timeline. Because Pat Spencer's immortal. We know he's around forever, right? And then you have Steph, Steph and Draymond are here in the middle. What?

Moving on. I saw, no, where we go? This has to be on the record. I saw on Twitter. I don't know who I could. Somebody tweeted it on my timeline that said that Pat Spencer is a Jeremy Lynn of Tech Bros. that's really good

it's fucking great it's great it's a great joke next player Donovan Mitchell Logan okay I think he's starting to get into late stage Damila Lillard territory in that

he's he has a couple of more years of being the absolute guy before and this is a very happy take by the way before like are we gonna

like does he need to team up with somebody to like actually get there This is very half-baked because my other side of mind is like The East is like not great right now Yeah But he absolutely could make a run in this type of East But then they just traded for James Hardin

And it's like two guys that haven't really Done well at the highest of heights when they're meeting So I don't know But I think that like he has a couple more years of being the guy Before we start asking questions like Should he go somewhere else to get help? And be a number two And be a number two

because I think he's a great prototypical. If he's the second best player on the team, he's been unbelievable this year. Yeah. No, I think there's, he has that kind of career arc, right? Where perennial,

all-star, perennial, either all-N-B-B-A or all-MBA discussion, really fun player. Great. Can go out and drop 40 on a given night. And I think,

you know, he has like the right mentality and that right, that aura around him, right? Like, I have confident. in him the way he carries himself. I have confidence

he's going to get me there even when he doesn't, right? He has that kind of, and he has had some playoff flameouts, but I think he's been banged up at the wrong time in Cleveland in particular. The Jazz had no help around him. Like, when your second star is a defensive specialist, Rudy Gobert, and you've got nobody else to leave the offense.

He was in the building, so you knew that Rudy Gober slander was down to happen. Rudy Gober, as soon as I heard, Damien Liller, my ears perked up. I was like, what's what we're doing? If we got Damian Liller takes, please. Are we disrespecting Damian Lillers? Are you disrespecting? I don't think you're disrespecting him enough.

Oh, my God. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. No, we don't got to get into it. We can talk off one. One of the things I've always sort of found odd about Donovan Mitchell is early in his jazz tenure, he was a great playoff player. And really met the moment.

And they won some series that people did not have the, them winning beforehand largely because he just would take over. Yeah. And yeah, there's been these, there's been flameouts now. But I think, I think it's at least as much about the failings of building around him in Utah and Cleveland than it is about him. And also like, Darius Garland being banged up at the wrong time. And like, they're, like, Cleveland just like, it's just a big injury mess for the last two years.

I think it also just speaks on what type of talent, luck, and, you know, front office work that is required to win titles. Sure. Like, there are only, you could count on two hands how many players that were just sheer because they walk in the door, they're a title. You're a title for 10. And so it's not a knock on Donovan Mitchell by any means that he's not one of those 10 players of all time. I just think that, you know, it might be his turn coming up soon. Sure. If he's going to get, want to get what he wants, he's probably going to have to team up with someone else. That's the take. nothing bad. I was kind of scared of that. I was kind of scared of that. I was like, yeah, it's nice. Pretty good.

Next, next player. Oh, goodness. Shangoon. Has the long, stretched torso and short, thick legs of a polar bear, I think. When I watch Shingoon, I feel, especially when his, because he's a guy that wears longer shorts, they go down, they go down to the knees. And, yeah, there's just something. very Arctic about him to me.

But yeah, I mean, he's... Would you like to see him just slide on some ice into a pool of freezing cold water? Sometimes he's slides on the floor belly first and looks up at the ref. I mean, he's a player who's prone to that. But I mean, obviously, like, a great player, he gets... Great shoulders in that picture, too, by the way. But more like wilted shoulders. No, no, not wilt shoulders.

Like Bill Walton shoulders where they just kind of like just go up for that reason. Yeah, kind of skit. Yeah, a little... They've got little peaks... They could stab you in the eye. Right. Yeah. No, I mean, I, like, Shingoon, he, some people have said that he is, you know, showing a little bit more defensively.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I do think that the people that are saying that can often overstate it. I think his, I think his coach has said as much. Eames has had some problems with his defense this year. He's been vocal about that. That's the one, that's my only real knock on him. I think he is a bit of a whiner, unfortunately. I think he's got a little Luca in that way.

But as offensive engines go, and when he gets on a hot streak, he's difficult to slow down. I think he is the ultimate pickup player. Like, if I'm just running, if I'm wearing fours at the Berkeley Y, you know, I just need a shangoon on my team, right? Like, I just need somebody that's going to hit a drop step.

That's going to, you know, was kind of like this. I mean, you know, he didn't really age well as a person. But remember, um, in his canter, like where he would just get weird,

just like, I think it's fair to say he did not age well as a person. Definitely not age well. But, but just, I'm talking about specifically the game. Yeah,

I know, I, you know, where he would just like, like, oh, I like, oh,

he got into that way. I think he's, I think he's, I think shangoon is smoother, though. Yeah. Well, I mean,

I think Shingoon's, you know, so much better than canter. Absolutely. Cantor had some nice stuff, some nice low post moves around the basket and stuff like that. Shingun's, you know,

Eon's better than him as a passer, as a rebounder. There was a game. As a dribbler. There was a game against the Lakers. Remember the Rockas were just vibes for that season and a half where he played against the Lakers and like he got Braun on a switch and he just fucking destroyed Bronham to switch with an end one.

And even Brown was like, stupid cat. He's strong, man. But yeah, That's my main take was that. He does, for some reason, anytime I watch him, I start thinking about polar bears. Fair.

No. Next. There we go. SGA, Howard. He kind of quarterback this. I mean, not quarterback. He kind of said your take already. There was a little bit of a preview of this in a previous take.

I feel like I might need to shove my chair just a little bit further back from our resident Oklahoma City guy here. I'll be okay. I'm like this. I'm just going to. I'm going to readjust a little bit. I made me, the helmet is at the ready here if I need the, the knight's helmet. Don't be afraid.

I'm a sweetheart. Shea's awesome. I voted for him for MVP as the vast majority of us did last year. No disrespect to him at all. And in fact, I think he's another guy who I often think, like, people are weirdly negative about him. Like the detractors are a little bit over the top. I once made the mistake of clicking on one Instagram video, one reel that was like,

you know, a foul merchant. bullshit, whatever, for the next 24 hours, all I got, and they were all different accounts. There are, like, an infinite number of, like, Shea Slander accounts. And if you just click one of them, the algorithm just fucking shoves you nothing but Shea... You know what that is? That's just the algorithm. It's a cottage. It's a cottage injury of losers, Howard. That's what it is. Yeah. You know my favorite Shay joke, though? Shout out Miles Brown or Twitter, M.D. Brown. He called him Essence Hardin.

That was a great joke. That was a great one. Sorry. That was a great joke. I have no notes for that joke. I can't. There's nothing you can know about it. Sometimes you've got to just take the losses. I'm not anti-shea at all. I want to be very, very clear.

He is a mystery box as a superstar. He is the least knowable superstar of his era. Is he the front ocean of the NBA? He's interesting because we don't know anything about it. I kind of love that. I like it too. If you want to start that rumor, that'd be great. And as a result of this, he is to play off of my earlier Wemby take.

He's the least likely to. be the face of the NBA, not because he's Canadian, not because he's playing in Oklahoma City, because he doesn't want it really. And what I say, I don't think he cares about it at all. He doesn't. So again, I have all these boxes. I think you have to check to be like the, this mythological title we've bestowed, right, of face. You have to be dominant. He's dominant. Fun to watch is an important part of this. And that's a mixed bag because, right, there's a lot of people we love to watch him. There's an artistry to his game. But then there's all these other people who hate the foul draw.

right. So he's polarizing that regard. Charismatic, like in a certain way, like he's, he's great in commercials, but he doesn't really give much of himself. And he is, he's very limited. He's very limited with the media by design. And so we really don't know him at all. Like you can make fun of like Wembe and Chess and, you know, Tibetan monks and everything else. But the fact is like we do at least know a little bit about his thought process. his personality and his intellectual exploration. What do we know about Shea at all? I think he is the most modern superstar that we have, to be honest, right?

He is the Pinterest All-Star. The kids love him. The Pinterest All-Star? Is that modern Pinterest? Is Pinterest still a thing? No, the kids are on Pinterest. I don't know. You don't have a book.

You're not on Pinterest? Maybe that's on TikTok. Show me over the top. I love that. But anyway, I do think he is the most, I think he's the most. I think he's the most modern star in that regard because he is the most Gen Z superstar. Gen Z don't care about like if you say,

you just have to say one sound bite and it'll just go everywhere on reels. It'll go on anything, right? I think we are missing the plot here. It's, I think that Shea is, for a certain generation, is the guy, right? And for the reasons why we just, all the things that maybe, you know, turn the

older generation off about him is what like the kids love about him right it's just like the aura the

the mink at all star weekend right like and I do think like I've interviewed like he's the first guy to wear a mink yeah shout out magic

and shout out Clyde but I think that like from a style perspective and from an aura's perspective I think that like he is the guy and I think that you know he's interesting

because he does have that barrier. I think the Frank Ocean comparison is apt in this regard. You don't hear shit from Frank. Yeah. But every time I go on some sort of social media, there's like, oh, Frank Ocean, dude? Oh, shit.

Frank Ocean playlist. They put out an album in fucking 10 years. Sure. Right? Has it been that long? It has been that long. That's crazy. Nine years, Blonde.

Anyways, I'm just saying, to bring it back to Jay. It's fine. It's his choice to decide how to, design his career and his public profile and everything else. And it also is not necessarily unique, right? Because who are the other guys who are constantly at the top of the MVP discussion, who we know almost nothing about.

Yokic and Luka, not exactly the most giving of themselves either publicly. But we do know, like, Yokic has shown a lot more of his personality, I think, over the years. We know all about his horses. Luca very clipped. I can't remember the last interesting thing Luca said. And I still think, is SGA more interesting? to look at it. I mean, to me, yes, but I can't be trusted.

I mean, like, you know, yeah. The, I, the, I, the, I don't think SGA, like, cares to be understood by anybody, but, like, the people that are immediately around him. I think that his life is ball, close, family, not in that order. I think it's, you know, family, ball, close. But, like, it, it, I don't think that he, has any interest in like trying to let people in or anything like that.

And, you know, it, I think, like, I'm cool with that because that's him. I don't think he's being anything other than himself. You know what I mean? So it's like, it's, uh, this is an observation, not a critique. No, I hear you. I'm with you. I didn't take it. I didn't think it didn't sound like it.

So I can leave the night's helmet on the floor. Yeah. Oh, you'll be okay. Okay. All right. Thanks player. Oh, that is it, ladies and gentlemen. Okay, all right.

So, you know, it's the time of the show that we're really all waiting for. We get to announce the take champion for 2026 for the first ever take-a-thon. Okay, Jomey, what's good on, on, buddy? How we've been feeling? So, you know, I put everything through the computer. We're doing it old school BCS style. Is there an algorithm? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Not AI, not AI. Guys, we're anti-AI over here. But we did the math and Tyler, you had the most quantity of hilarious takes, right? Ant Needs More Gear, Chet Slim Shady, right? Polar Bear Shangoon and my personal favorite, Wemby just kind of sucks, which he's also French. I think we're not like discussing that enough in his like... Discussing that he's French enough. Every press conference they cut the English last night, the Spurs cut off.

Any questions in English. They said at the end of his press conference, towards the end, they said no more English when we're running out of time. Let's talk to the French people. Let's talk to the French. I think we know that he's French. It's a lot of that. I think that plays a part in how he's viewed. Logan, I loved the Steph won't one another chip.

I mean, I know you did. That means a lot to me. You did bring the facts, which I appreciate, but I got to give it to HBZ. Woo. Wow. I got to give it to Howard. Yokich needs more chips. And here's why.

Because you could make the argument that the NBA has never been as deep as it is right now. Right? There's a lot of talent spread across the entire league. And it's hard to when. We have had a repeat champion since those warriors in the mid-2010s. But if you got three MVPs, if you, that guy that everybody's talking about, you got to have more than one. If you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, if you're, Dokic, and we put you in conversations with Hakeem and Shaq and. Kareem, all these great centers.

Wait, Jomey's of rings culture? Wow. That's crazy. Count them. Okay. All right. I'm just saying, it's different. It'd be another thing. Like, we don't have these conversations about Janus, right? He's got two MVPs and a defensive player of the year. Do you know what I mean?

When you reach that upper echelon, we're talking like top, you know, 20, top 15, maybe even top 10. You can't just sit there. We only have one ring on your finger. This is not really how it goes. So ultimately, Howard, you had the best take. Thank you. Congrats.

Congratulations. No problem. One of the great honors of my career. Okay. Thank you very much. Let's get him a certificate and he'll put it in his wall.

Yeah. If you guys are subscribed to the Patreon, you can listen to my dame tape. We don't do that over here. That's behind the paywall. That's behind the pay. All right. All right.

All right, man. This was fun, man. Our first ever take-a-thon. See you guys next year, huh? Yeah. All right, man. That has been another edition of real ones. We will see you guys next week.

I believe we got some more content from us three. I am Logan Murdoch. That is Howard motherfucking Beck. That's Tyler Parker. I don't know where we roll. Ah, all the shits. Bye. Dam is just Trey Young with better PR. Hey, calm the fuck down. Wait, wait, wait. I believe that. I believe that with every five of my game.

You'd say that when the cameras go off. We still recording, right? We still go. Soft shit, Joe. I'll say it right now. Soft shit, you know what we need to do? Hey, first of all, fuck off. you were on the no-fly list of the bay. No more Vatrice for you. I don't care, brother.

No more Vatrice you. If you, in second. I'm tired of the lion. I'm tired of the line, man. And second, hey, put some credits at the end of this and add that fucking take. Add that take. We spent all this time being like, oh, no, we feel sorry for Dame.

It's his fault. It's his fault. You had a pocket, bro. The Achilles, we can't control the kiddies. That's that, you know what I'm saying? You're out of fucking pocket. I don't, all right. Legitimately embarrassing career.

Bye. We'll talk about it. I'm serious. Brother, if you swapped him as Steph, Steph might have one or two in Portland. The only way he'd win one is if KDK. That's it. That's it.

One of the worst stars we've ever seen.