The Ringer NBA Show - The Bucks Turn the Tables on the Celtics and the Grizzlies Can’t Cash in on Draymond Green’s Ejection in Game 1. Plus, Utah Jazz Pack Watch. | Real Ones

Episode Date: May 3, 2022

Logan and Raja hop on this evening to talk about how Memphis fumbled its opportunity to take Game 1 of the Warriors-Grizzlies series with Draymond ejected (3:10), the Phoenix Suns’ resurgence against the Mavericks with Devin Booker’s return (13:00), how Joel Embiid’s injury could derail the 76ers’ Finals hopes (26:40), and how the tables have turned on the Celtics with the Bucks using their size to foil every attempt around the basket (31:50). Then they preview Game 2 of Warriors-Grizzlies (42:05) and Jomi puts the Utah Jazz on Pack Watch for hopefully the final time (53:20). Hosts: Logan Murdock and Raja Bell Guest: Jomi Adeniran Producer: Sasha Ashall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Logan Murdoch, Roger Bell, Real ones after dark. How do you say it, Ra? How you say it? Yeah. It's late, man. Bro, are you good, dog? Is it Roger after dark, but Roger on that dark, bro? Are you good?

How you doing, man? Oh, a little of both, man. I'm well. The family's passing around this damn, like, I don't know, upper respiratory thing, man. Not COVID. We got tested and all of that. But, you know, I got one in preschool and one in elementary. So it's hard to avoid shit like that. But, yeah, we're doing well, bro, aside from that. You locked in. Your weekend was all right other than that. How was your weekend? Weekend was good, bro. Weekend was good. Just, you know, doing what we do. Watching games in the gym with kids. Generally just, you know, consuming. with basketball this time of year, Logan, yourself? I went to, it's prom season,

as you know. You got some you got some teenagers over there. I went to go see my little my little cousin see him off to prom. And it was, I felt old and also like this is pretty cool. It was good to see it. It was

different to see it from this point of view, being a little older. And, you know, going back to see, it was just very fun. It was very hilarious because when we was at this intersection in Richmond, like this was like a neighborhood and stuff like that, we were, they blocked all the kids blocked off the street so the parents could take pictures.

And there was this one car that was just trying to get to their house, had the blinker on and everything. But the whole family made that car wait until it was time. and to the point where one of the OG Mamas was saying prayer in the middle of the street just to praying for these kids to go on to the prom and stuff. So it took an extra 10 minutes. I really felt for that lady in that car. I just want to say that.

I'll feel for you. And I just really wanted to use this platform to say that. Man, wherever you are, that was an unfortunate. Wrong place, wrong time situation. They're bad. Yeah. So we are talking to you after that. we're talking to you on Monday evening.

Roger Bell is just, I don't know what's going on with you, Roger. I have no idea, but let's get to the shit. I got to get the tussing. I need some tussing. You got to get the tussing, but I've been waiting to talk to you because, first of all, sir,

you didn't text me back. I know you were in the gym, but I had to get your, I hitch you asking about what you thought about with Jremond in the Memphis Grizzlies series game one, Memphis Grizzlies Golden State Warriors Series game one.

Draymond goes for a re-I don't know. He doesn't go for a rebound. He grabs Brandon Clark's jersey. And just we're going to leave this to Roger to just set me straight, but I'm just saying you what happened. He grabs Brandon Clark's jersey, glides him to the ground because he carries him before he gets to the ground. Just gives a little love tap glide to the ground.

And then, sorry, did I say that wrong? What did I say? Roger, go ahead. What did I do? You're looking at me crazy. I'm not trying to interrupt you. I would like to hear, I would like you to finish. So he grabs his jersey, grabs his jersey.

Looks like he's about to throw Brandon Clark into the ground. And then then holds him as he's at the ground and then gets called. I thought it was going to be a flagrant one. And then they called a flagrant chew and ejected him. And is that the sequence of events that you saw, Roger? I'm sorry. You were looking at me crazy. Did I say it right or do I need to say it a different way?

Yeah. Some of the descriptive words that you used, I felt were inaccurate. Like, glided him to the ground. It's definitely not what happened. Like, I don't even know how you would glide. I don't know how you glide someone, but Dremont didn't glide anyone. Sound like my editor right now. Yeah.

Dremont violently grabbed someone by the front of their shirt and yanked him down. Once Dramon, yes. Yeah, yanked him down. Once Dremont realized what he had done, he then quickly, got into a space where a lot of us get to, you were like, oh, oh, I messed up. And so, yeah, I'm going to try to hold him up at this point. Yes, he did. It's a flagrant one minimum. I could understand why refs might look at that on any given night throughout the course of 82.

And at their worst moment, say flagrant two, because of Draymond's track record, it could be a dangerous play if he doesn't hold him up and he hits his face on the ground. I get it. But none of that happened and it's not the course of 82. This is a first round series.

I mean a second round series. I'm sorry, first game of a second round series. I don't think it was egregious enough to warrant the ejection. I took exception to that. I do understand kind of where they were coming from though. Like that that's a play that doesn't look dangerous

because nothing happened. But if he were to not be able to get his hands down or something like that could wind up being very dangerous. I still didn't think it warranted the ejection. Is this an isolated incident from what you've been describing as, what do we say, subpar refereeship during this, refereeing during this postseason, or is this an isolated incident? Because I felt like it could have gone either way.

I wasn't surprised that they gave him a flangret to. I was expecting a flagrant one because, you know, I think it wasn't that bad because he didn't get hurt. And two, he is an important guy on that team. and normally I feel like those guys get a little bit more rope if that makes sense

just from referees in general I feel like Draymond is in the pantheonic guys that some nah he doesn't get the benefit at all let me not go that way but he is one of those important guys who's like oh give him a flagrant one he gets he he will learn his lesson from that but I say I let to say I did not expect a flagrant

two I didn't I didn't expect him to get ejected but does this go into your theory of what the referees have been over the postseason? You know, for the most part, I think they've allowed a level of physicality across the board that they don't ordinarily allow in regular season games. I've touched on this at the beginning when we were talking about Kevin Durant and what the Celtics were kind of allowed to do to him through the first game or two of that series. And I think they've been consistent with allowing more physicality. You saw Luca tonight, you know, complaining throughout the game about calls that he probably ordinarily get. So I'm okay with the consistency, Logan.

Again, I don't understand why it can't be consistent. Like the regular season can't match the postseason. I understand why it has changed then. But they've been consistent throughout the regular season, allowing to be more physical. I didn't have a beef, you know, with the way they ultimately ref that game. I just, you don't want the outcome of that game. to hinge on a 50-50 call like that. And I say 50-50 in terms of ejectible offense, right?

Like clearly a flagrant foul. Like just grab the shirt, pull them down. But, you know, like the NBA, I think, I don't, I'm not reinventing the wheel when I say this. Like the NBA is kind of a softer league overall than it was 15 years ago in terms of what you're allowed to do. What is a flagrant? You even see guys now,

It's a pet peeve of mine. See, flagrants cost you extra money. When you get a flagrant foul, it costs you money. So selling a foul is one thing. That's gamesmanship. We're trying to get the benefit of getting in the bonus. And maybe you pick up your third or fourth foul. It makes you have to sit on the bench.

But you see players now lobbying for flagrants when they haven't been flagrantly offended, right? And that's taking money out of people's pockets. So I would be really upset. And I don't love to watch players get like a, a random kind of hand across the face, the shit didn't hurt you at all. And you're grabbing your face acting like you lost an eye, lobbying for a flagrant foul.

Like, that's the league that we watch now. And so, you know, I'm not surprised that he got kicked out, but you don't want a game to be decided by that. Not that type of play. Especially that early in the game, man. Like, that was, that was a tough. And I want to talk about the series a little later, but it was, it was just a tough call.

And if they weren't a veteran, if the Warriors weren't a veteran team, the way they are. That can derail a lot of things. They did pull it out in the end, but man, you go on, it's a lot of stuff gone on the line when you eject someone in the postseason, I guess is all that I'm saying. So I was very surprised that they were quick to eject him

like that. You're absolutely right, though, right? In a playoff series like that, you're the road team. You're hoping to get one of those first two games. In a lot of instances, you'll have one shot at it. If that was your shot and it wound up being the Golden State pulled it out, but if that

had slipped through your fingers and it was your one shot that flipped the series on its head and you lost out on it because of that ejection. In a lot of instances, there's not another chance for you to get that back. Like, now you're behind the eight ball. You've lost the opportunity. That was your one opportunity to get a road game. And so you're right. Like that was an early ejection.

And I would just say again, I think the NBA, I don't have the answer. I'm not smart enough. I'm not pretending to be. They've got to do something with this whole flagrant one, flagrant two. There have been way too many ejections this year that I don't believe. were Flakrant 2s. I've gone over and over and on the pod. Some of them, you know, even though I don't love them are still going to fall in the Flagrant 2 ejectionable category, but some of them aren't. And we've got to do a better job of sorting through those.

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since the last time we've been here, Rajah. Devin Booker is back, which I thought was going to be a... I thought it was a bit premature. But he comes in, scores 13. Chris Paul, perfect from the field. before we get into this Mavs, this Mavs Sun series, I do want to talk about,

did you see the end of the end of that series between the Sons and the Pelicans? Just like real ones all around. Oh yeah, for sure. When you talk about Willie Green, what he's done, I really like what the Pelicans are doing, but then when you see a guy like Chris Paul

go pervert from the field, and there was a lot of questions, I think, coming into this, right? Where, you know, can he win without, can he win with Booker? and can the sun sustain? I think he showed a lot. And I think the sons are back,

ball in terms of purpose. I think they're back in the fold, especially after this win against the Mavericks. Yeah, I thought Phoenix, and I did get people sliding into my DMs and stuff about me saying Phoenix was going to lose game five. I always had them winning that series. I just thought it would play out a little different.

Wait, wait, wait, are you walking back comments right now, sir? Are you, are you falling to public pressure? Nope, not at all. thought Phoenix would lose game five, and then I thought they would close out six and seven. I just saw it playing out a little differently. But at the time, I didn't know when Devin Booker was coming back. And so tonight watching them play, like, Chris Paul was brilliant. I don't ever worry about Chris Paul. The only thing I worry about is whether he's healthy or not and whether that injury bug's going to pop up and bite him at the wrong time, right? And I think that's,

you know, to player at that point in his career, I think that's fair. I don't, I'm not, you know, saying he's going to get hurt or anything, but that's always a concern, right? I was going to worry about the Sun's moving forward. If Devin Booker came back and looked marginalized, like he wasn't, you know, he was just back. See, there are decrees of being back, right? We could come back just to provide a body and provide you, you know, 70% of what I have as a player.

And in that space, I was worried about the Suns because, you know, each round, you get more and more, you know, deep into the playoffs. You're facing better and better teams. But tonight when I watched Evan Booker come out of the Gates, he looks like himself he was on fire he had energy he was moving well it didn't look like you know

it looked like he had taken a step from from the last game of the of the norland series and if he's going to be that devon booker then the sons are right back in the mix as a favorite to win a championship now whether that plays itself out or not I think you know we'll have to see moving forward but they're a favorite for sure

I think it was just you know and I've been on the I picked the sons to win the title. And when book went down, I remember being in the arena, and it was just a, just a silence. It was just like a funeral or something like that. You know, and there was a sense that, I don't know from the team,

but just around the arena, it was like, oh, man, you know, he's out three weeks. That could really hinder us for the rest of the postseason. And honestly, it was, I thought that that might be a blow to their chances. Just in general, I just thought it was, you know, with the way that, you know, New Orleans was playing, how much confidence that they had. But right now, especially after this win against Dallas, I'm really affirmed in just how good they are. And if, knock on wood, hopefully book stays healthy.

Their Air Force are so deep. They're such a great team. And I think they're putting together at the right time. And they have that mix of youth and also, you know, guys that have been there. You know, I see, like, I just juxtapose Chris Paul with the McHale Bridges, right? And they're both, you know, Michael Bridges is a young guy who really steps up in a game five. When Roger talks against him, against his team and said they're going to lose. He comes and just kills.

I really am impressed by this team, Ron. I really think he'll be good. No, they're a really good team, Logan. And McHell Bridges, like, he's relatively young in terms of NBA years, but he's a, he's a season basketball player. He's played in some huge moments in college basketball. He's not afraid of a moment. There's not a moment that's going to take him, you know, by surprise and have him kind of starstruck because he's in it. The sons are just a terrible matchup for Dallas, in my opinion.

I mean, they're going to give a lot of people fits, but, you know, Dallas, they have so many people standing around watching Dallas, that is. and it's so heavy Luca having to create a play. And, you know, that ball doesn't start moving. Luca's on it for like eight, nine, ten seconds. And then it starts moving, right? And I think that plays right into the hands of the sons who have all this length and all these ranging defenders, a bunch of different bodies they can throw at Luca. You had at any given time at least two defenders committed in some capacity, one on him

and one like shadowing him, right? And then, you know, there were other times where there were three sets of eyes kind of locked in on him, right? You could tell. And they just scramble out of that and run you off of your shots. And, you know, they don't necessarily believe that Dallas has enough playmakers. And they don't outside of Luca to kind of beat them like that. And so, you know, I don't see this as being, I don't know what the series will wind up, but they'll kind of roll the maps, I think. But it gets really interesting when you pull that next straw, when you have teams that

kind of look like you in terms of having a lot of talent across the board, having versatility, having more ball movement, not predicated on one guy, just being on the ball at all times. So you can't just lock in and have that game plan. That's what it starts to get interested in fun. Well, it's funny. You talk about how with Dallas and how, you know,

we know this, they're not a one-man show, but they, every player is centered around Lucasorbit. And we talked about this earlier in the year with sharks. but how much for, I want to stay with the Sons really quickly, how much was last series a byproduct of just matchups that just, that the Pelicans just matched up really, really well with them?

Is that one of the reasons why they just struggled? Or what do you think it was more than that for them, that they just had to get into, just work their way into the postseason? No, I think the Pelicans were a tough, a tough card to draw for the Sons. I'm sure the Sons didn't feel like they played their best basketball. But, you know, the Pelicans did some things in terms of having length, having a guy who could, you know, get buckets in Brandon Ingram, but also, you know, also a guy, you know, who could, who could break you down off the, off the dribble and, and, and, uh, C.J. McCollum and get his own buckets and just create. And they have, you know, they have pieces that don't allow you to play the way you can play against Dallas, right? Like, where you can just lock.

game. And so, you know, yeah, they posed a different challenge to the Sons. Again, I would imagine I'm not with the Sons organization in any capacity, but I would imagine they don't think they played their best basketball. And that may be true. But I also think the Pelicans were a better stylistic matchup to give them problems than Dallas is. Since we're talking about Dallas, I want to bring in our producer. Sasha, Mack, can you please come on really quickly? Because Sasha says that we owe our listeners an apology. And that's what she said. That's something that she said. And I want to bring her on to set us straight. Honestly, I forgot what we said. I think that, but it was in the lost file somewhere in the real ones archives. Apparently,

we said some disparaging things about, or we were wrong about Dallas in some capacity. I don't think so. I don't, I don't know, but I don't think so. But Sasha Max is going to come in here and set us straight. And she's going to make us explain ourselves, apparently. I'm going to let you know exactly what you did. So basically what happened is that Dallas beat the jazz. I can't remember what game it was, but it was early. And it was like a great game from Maxi Claibah. And I was like, oh, I got on.

I was like, oh, we should talk about it. We should talk about it. It was so fun. I was because I was rooting for Dallas, obviously, as all sane-minded people were. And I came to you guys. I was like, what a great game. Like, we should talk about it. And then you guys talked about it.

But it was like only the jazz. You only talked about it. You don't even, literally, I don't even think you said the word mavericks. It was like maybe you said it in the first sentence to introduce that you were going to talk about the jazz. You talked about the jazz. And then at the ad break, I said, you guys didn't even talk about the Mavericks. You guys talked about the Mavericks. So we came back from the ad, Logan and Raja talked about the Maverick, talked about the Mavericks, in quotes, for about two minutes, two and a half minutes.

maybe. Okay. And it was so weak. There was no heart in it. Literally no heart. And it was basically just Rajah saying, but they're not going to do it. There's no way.

And you guys are just lucky that I cut it out. Because I did cut it out, but I'm happy to play that segment right now. Wow. Before heard segment about the Dallas Mavericks from two weeks ago. Wow. So I'm going to tee that up right now. Enjoy.

So, you know, and, you know, even with the jazz, I am tired of talking about the jazz. We should talk about the Mavericks, man. If they, you talked about how Luca with that calf injury is really tough to, it's, it's tough. And I know firsthand from C&KD get it and, you know, what that can lead to. If you come back a little too fast, that it'll, like, we know the worst case scenario of all this. are the mat what what position are the mavericks in right now they play they are is this a means to win in do the mad do the jazz just end up winning just for like what ends up happening what is the mads are dead i don't mean any disrespect but i told you i'm not going to come on here

and bullshit you tonight it's 12 not tonight you know look it's great that they could come out and jalen brunson you know for a second round draft pick i know his daddy i know pops from way back you know, to be to be in a contract year, to be holding it down in a way that he's holding it down. Like, I am all for that. It's a great story. They just don't have legs. They're not going to beat the jazz.

They're not beating the jazz. As much as we could say the jazz aren't a contender to, to win the title. Like, I don't have them in that conversation. They are beating Dallas. Word. I know I said they were not going to win. Yeah, Roger is like, yeah, but no, they're just not going to do it.

There's no way. It was literally, it was literally like just like, oh, no, no. It was literally was like, you guys were like, why are we talking about this? Oh, my God. And so that's what happened. Fair. Wow. So that's what I'm saying.

So I, last week, when they actually, they went up with three to and I was like, I'm sorry, you guys, come on. Like, there was a lot of like, oh, you know, hand waving on this. I promise you when you texted me this. And then literally two days ago when they beat, yeah. When you put it in the chat, I had no. idea what you were talking about. Roger, did you have any idea what she was talking? I didn't even remember this.

I remember saying it. And I'm going to double down. I mean, I'm not. How are you going to double down? Well, I am because what I'm going to do is take this opportunity to not talk about the damn mavericks and talk about the jazz. Oh my God. Okay.

Fine. That's fine. Because who in their right mind, right, would have thought minus Luca Dachich, right, on a team where we can admit that every. single thing they do revolves around Luca Dutch, who would have thought that the jazz would have fumbled the

bag as gloriously bad that even makes sense as they did? That was an epic failure as a team and as an organization. I mean no disrespect to the jazz. I'm proud that I play for the jazz. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I do not.

I'm proud that I played for the jazz. I love Utah, but that was some absolute bullshit. And I said it and I meant it. set it with my chest. There was no way that the Mavs were going to beat them. And I didn't mean any disrespect to the Mavs. You're just minus one of the best players on the planet.

How are you going to fucking beat the Jazz? You had a calf injury that he's actually nursing right now. You saw him limping in game one against the Sons with the same calf injury that he was hurting. Roger, one leg. Forget. He's playing on one leg. You know what? This is just thank you, Sasha Mac for just you

helping us do a side. No, no, she did a great job as she always does. What she did was give us another opportunity to just say that the jazz have just been not good, not an embarrassment. That was not good. That was not good. That was not good. It was not good. And good for you, Dallas, and good for you, Maxie Kleepa, and good for you, Jalen Brunson.

And good for y'all. No bullshit. Good for you. I just didn't see that one coming. Hoof. You know what I didn't see coming, Roger? I didn't see coming that Joelle and Bede would be out for the first two games of this series against the heat. I didn't see that coming with the orbital bone.

Elbow right in the face, Raja. Pascal Seaccombe elbow has put him out at least for the first two games. Now, there's reports from Woj that he will be back or is planning to come back for games three and four, which puts a lot on the back of James Harden. and Tobias Harris and Maxie and all those guys. And the first game of this series against the heat didn't look too good. You know, they took a brief, the Sixers took a brief halftime lead. And then it was all heat from there.

Raja, you are a Dade County representative. You're not a heat fan, but you got your ears to the streets down there. What's the pulse down there in Miami as Joelle Embed is hurt? And, you know, the Heat have a big opportunity right here. Miami Heat fans are feeling really, really good about themselves right now, as they should be. They're sitting in a really nice seat right now. The circumstances that this series are going to provide plenty of rest. It's going to allow them to come into the next series.

fresh and ready to go because without Joel Embed, I don't want to say what I said about the jazz and the Mavericks. I'm not going to do that. So what I will say is it is going to be very, very, very difficult for the 76ers to challenge Miami in a way that's going to push them. I don't know when Joel M.B. is coming back. He's going to put the mask on when he clears concussion protocol. But tonight, Tobias Harris was fantastic.

He was really good. 11 and 18 from the field 27 points. He played great. And in the first half, Maxie wasn't bad and James Hardin wasn't bad. But at the end of the day, you muster 92 points.

The heat, you muster 92 points. James Hardin, if he can't beat the James Hardin from Houston in Joel Embed's absence, they don't stand a chance. Yeah. Not a chance. Now, you throw Joel and B.

back in there. we can have another discussion, Logan. But I'm going to say this one definitively. If Joel NB. doesn't play in this series, there is no chance that the 76ers win the series. You're going to stand on that? What's your chess?

All right. So I do want to talk about just how the injury affects a lot of different things, right? First of all, I think that if Joel is even playing, it's still a tall task. because we're not just talking about the concussion that you're coming from. We're not just talking about the orbital bone that you just broke. Talking about that ligament in the thumb, sir. Also, as a big man, you're getting, as a big man of Joellen Beat Stature,

you're going to get beat up, especially Miami don't play. You got Bam out of Bio. You got all these guys, and they're very tough, hard-nosed physical team. And you're going to have them come back into that environment. the end of, I think it was the end of last pod, we gave the Sixers a warning shot. I think you gave the Sixers a little warning shot. We didn't go in too much because at that time,

they were in the thralls of a series against the Raptors when we thought, you know, it should have been, we should, they should have just took care of the Raptors right then and there. Are you ready to do more than a warning shot on this episode? Are we going to wait one more week, sir? In terms of, uh, in terms of the Sixers. Is it, is it, is it,

Are they on notice yet? Are they, in your eyes? Are they ready for a razzarant? They're on notice. And it's, you know, but the thing is, they have a built-in excuse. You know, Joel Embed, Joyal and Bid missing even two games in this series is going to put you behind the eight ball. It comes back in the third game.

I'm with you, Logan. I'm probably, you know, compromised in multiple areas of health. Like, he's just not going to be himself. And the heat are really good. He had playing really good basketball right now. They're defending. They're swarming. I mean, there was a play in a night where them cats had, I don't know,

maybe five offensive rebounds. They got five threes on one possession, and they were just bullying like the energy was coming through the screen. They're a tough draw. So, yeah, the Sixers are squarely on alert. So the Heat are your conference finals pick. And, you know, I want to throw that into previews because if they do win, they're going to face the winner of this.

next series that we're going to preview for game two, which is Bucks Celtics. I'm trying with the transitions here, Roger. You're not even, you're not even woke. I'm trying with these transitions. No, I know. It was dope. I want to talk about that. I want to talk about that series. Let's talk about us. Let's dig in. Let's dig in about Buck Celtics and then give a prediction after that. What was the biggest thing you saw from that game? Because we're coming off the the series against the Celtics and and nets where that was over pretty quickly, right? And, you know, we're thinking about the Celtics as title contenders.

We are, we're penciling them in. Are they going to go to the, are they going to go to the finals? It's, it's there. They're a deep team. The bucks are hobbled. No Middleton. And Janus just goes in and just gets a triple double. What did you think about that game one of your first initial thoughts, Rob?

My first initial thoughts was, it ain't no fun when the rabbit guy. the gun. And I say that because in the Brooklyn series, the Celtics were bigger. They were more physical. They were bullying Brooklyn or like moving them off of their spot over and over and over again. Assaulting the rim. Just challenging everything Kevin Durant, Kyrie and company did. Just, you know, swarming.

And last night when I watched that game, or yesterday, afternoon. I don't know how many open layups the Celtics got at the rim. And I flashed back to the Brooklyn when they were just on top of the rim left and right. Everything was challenged. How many times did Boston lift somebody up out of their stance go to the rim and then were walled up by another defender? People were closing out left and right. But I tried to explain it. Like if you would allow me to get into my nerddom for one second. Get in your bag. Get in your bag, bro. You know, when you're playing a sport, especially a fine motor sport like basketball when it's time to put the ball, like this small ball and this tiny ring and it's way over there and I've got

to handle it with all of this dexterity and stuff like that. It's really important that you stay on your rhythm. You play at your pace, right? Because we've all got this inner clock, right? And if we're on pace and we're on schedule and things are moving at a speed where we can make decisions and stuff like that, then we're fine. And the greatest players on the planet can get sped up to a degree and still be functioning at that pace, right? As a defender, my job against a great offensive player would be to try to get you to play at a faster pace than you want to play, to get you sped up, to be in your space, to have you just off rhythm. And I felt like Milwaukee did that. It's what Boston did to Kevin Durant, and it's what Milwaukee was doing to the Celtics last night,

speeding them up over and over again, making them play and shoot shots out of rhythm. You saw the air ball that Jason Tatum shot last night, the three? Yes, yeah. Where he shot a clear over the rim to the other side of the backboard. Jason Tatum's a great player. But when you're doing that, you're getting sped up. Like, they're under underneath you and they're moving your process at a faster pace than you can handle. And so now you're just fried a little bit.

And that's what Milwaukee did to them. And they bullied them. You brought up Jason Tatum. And what I think about Jason Tatum when I came into that, when I watched that game one, it was a reminder that yet Jason Tatum is a really great basketball player, really great. He's not quite in the tier yet. He's not quite in the upper tier just yet. Not there just yet.

And I think we got reminded of that in the first game, right? where, or at least he's going to have to prove more that he's in that. He's not there yet. He has to prove more, right? Because this could be a long series. But from what I saw, didn't shoot the ball particularly well, getting pushed off of his spots. It still seemed like that Milwaukee is the champs. And you're going to have to go through the champs.

And if you want to get to the finals, it's not going to be a cakewalk. And honestly, it really showed me. Every team, I think it showed me like how bad in hindsight that Brooklyn team was, right? Like they just, is that, does that make sense, right? Where you're just like, where we were thinking about Brooklyn is like, as long as they get their pieces involved, they might go for a run. No, it's not going to happen. That was a bad basketball team that they played in the first round. They got a great matchup.

Now you've got to come to the biggest front court in the league. It shows how small your front court is. and you're going to have to play. Now you're going to have to play. And I just, it's, it's always hard when the home team loses that first game. That's just, that's a tough thing to come back from. And that's the difference between, oh, this is the seven game series and maybe a four or five game series, in my opinion. It puts a lot of pressure.

It puts a lot of pressure on you as the home team to have to get that second win. You know, when Chris Middleton goes out, I mean, they get even, they get even bigger. You're talking 610, 611, 7, 1. Yeah. You know, and your two guards are dogs. Drew Holiday and West Matthews. West Matthews is not the player that he was once was. But he's still a dog.

Like he's still up. He's still underneath you. He's still physical. He's still moving you off of your spot. And so it becomes really, really hard to score. Balls at 89 damn points last night. That's the score from like 2001. And I'm going to tell you when you played.

Yeah, exactly. It was 101 to 89. Janus didn't play great. Like I hear everybody on TV today, you know, we're singing Janus's praise. Like, Janus was all right. Janus wasn't great. He wasn't.

I felt like Al Horford did a really good job on him. What's the other, Williams? I thought they did really good job on Janus. I mean, Janus is just the best player on the planet right now. So he figures it out, right? He gets other people involved.

He boards the hell. out of it. He never stops coming at you. But I think he can play better. He'll make a lot of those shots that he missed. The same way Boston fans are saying, all, Jason Tatum won't struggle like that and Jalen Brown won't struggle like that. I don't believe Janus will continually struggle

like that. So it could get dicey real quick. I think, because I saw the bucks a couple months ago, you know, that's when they were getting that gas and I think that Brooke Lopez was just coming back. I saw a team,

you know, where it was funny because Milwaukee's record per se did it match up with how dominant their ceiling could be at times. And you start to see during the postseason, oh, this is why, you know, the Bucks got that gas during the season is because they are built for these moments. They are, they have a front court. Brooke Lopez is such a great piece for them. And they, all these players, it's a team where everyone knows their role. And not to say that Boston doesn't, but you get an extra pep in your stuff

when you win a title. You know, there's always that bit of knowledge and all that, that, that, you could just see that the bucks were, it was just another day at the office for them in game one.

And if they can be that dominant while not being that good efficiently, then it's kind of scary for Boston. Yeah, I mean, This could, the shots that I saw Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown make the scary part about that if you're Bucks fans are, while I'm saying they were on top of the rim and they were getting easy baskets, they made a ton of tough buckets against Brooklyn, too. Now, you were shooting those over maybe 6-6-65 Bruce Brown. And that shot again, when I'm talking about speeding your process up, you have more time to get it off against a 6-5 Bruce Brown.

fading away than you do against a 610 Bobby Portis in your face. It changes the speed. So I'm not telling you they're going to make those at the same clip, but they can make tough bucket. So if they get high, you know, this series, you know, it could be interesting. Like it's going to have to, I'm going to feel my way through it the first couple of games just like they will. When you win a championship, we talked about the bucks and my concerns for them not being great defensively or as good defensively this year as they had been last year. Obviously, Brooke wasn't in the lineup for a lot of this year, and that had something to do with it. But typically, when you win a championship, and I had seen it with LeBron and I saw it with other people who had won multiple championship,

you then do become able to kind of tap in to that switch, like, or the ability to flip the switch. So you don't have to be great all the way through the regular season and be playing up into a crescendo at the end of the season. Because you can kind of, you know what it takes. You've been there, you did that. and so you can kind of cruise, cruise, cruise, and then flip that switch, and we're ready to go into playoffs. And again, the bucks,

because now they have their personnel back, but I also think, to your point, because of the experience and having that title under their belt, they know what it takes. They're flipping that switch. Bob, let's go. We're ready to rock.

With that being said, what's your prediction for game two? Yeah, that's a tough one. I think Yonis is going to be better. Scoring-wise, I don't know that he triple doubles. I'm going to take the bucks. I think you, I knew you were going there.

You were hedging, but I knew you were, I'm going to pick the Celtics. I don't have any reason why. I just hope that they win it. I hope that they win game two. You're probably right. I mean, the law average of say they win it. I don't, I just, if they get pushed, okay, if they, you remember what I said about Kevin Durant in the last series, right?

What's that? If he was going to get bullied around and pushed around and the rest, we're going to let that happen, it's going to be a long series. If the Celtics don't figure out how to match that physicality, they're going to get moved around all series. It's going to be quick work. Yeah, man. It was all good just a week ago.

But I'm going to go. Let's transition to Warriors Grizzlies. Now, the biggest takeaway I got from game one was, I think it was affirmation that I just think that the Grizzlies are a year away. You know? I watched that game. Golden State made a ton of mistakes, a ton of mistakes, did not play a good game by any stretch,

had one of their best players get ejected early. And Memphis could never capitalize on it, man. They could never just pull away. And they played a bit erratic at times. They played a lot of that was on adrenaline. I felt like they, at the end of the day, is they got the outcome that they deserved. Rob.

I just think that they were really juiced up because they always, they had beaten the Warriors. They had won the season series against the Warriors. They were always, they always wanted to play against the Warriors, and it showed. And they seemed a little bit too excited, Rob. They had to win that game.

Yeah. They had to win that. You had to get that game, and you let it slip through your fingers. Clay Thompson misses two free throws. with seconds left. And how do you not capitalize on that, dude? I mean, just, yes, how do we not?

Like, the amount of things that went wrong for Golden State to present the opportunity for you to walk out of there, what a win game one, and you not being able to do that, that's got to be haunting you right now. John Moran's been really inconsistent this playoffs. Like, he's, even in the games where he's closed really well, and, like, you know, there were a lot of those in the Minnesota series where he was not good through three quarters,

and then he'd spurt in the fourth and they'd figure out a way to win it. And I don't know, I want to be careful the way I say this because I don't mean to take anything away from Memphis and how good they are, but I think at least 50% of that speaks to Minnesota's inability

and them not being ready to close. They're being years away from being able to be a viable playoff entity, right? Does that make sense? So as much of them fumbling the bag as Minnesota going and taking the bag from Memphis. So, you know, I still think there's life there. I still think it's a tougher matchup for Golden State, obviously,

like with the personnel style of play. I think they'll win game two, Memphis, that is. But I don't know that I don't know that I could pick Memphis at this point. I would, they were one of my favorite teams, but after watching them through a series and a game, I don't know that I could pick them to be golden state right now. It was funny. And some of the pre, some of the prepot texts.

And also a lot of the group chats that I was in, it was, you could, the conversation basically was, no, man, Minnesota could have won that series in five. If they just do like four things, if they do four things, they're going to win, they win that series. And, like, this is the difference that I see from Memphis. among the other top teams in the Western Conference. Like, if the Warriors play like that against Phoenix, first game with the series, they're getting blown out. It's not even a question. If all those sequence of events happen,

they're getting blown out. Why? Because Phoenix has been there before. They play a little slower. They don't play, you know, it was a lot of those things where a lot of the mistakes that the Grizzlies made because they're just playing too fast. And not even in the way,

because I know that they're strong suit, but you get what I'm saying? It wasn't under control. You get what I'm saying, Rock, and you did what I'm saying on that one? Yeah, what you're describing is what makes them dangerous at times,

is not, them not really fully having a grasp of the situation. Like, that can be dangerous when you're playing free and loose, but there are times where you've got to understand the situation and the gravity of it and take care of the ball and do what, you know, like that's what you're describing.

You're playing a little too loose, a little too free. A little too free. And, and it starts with, you know, Jaws just a just a fireball of energy

and you play off for that, you know. And also this is Memphis's time to shine, man. Like, I really love seeing in the front road, Zbo there, money bag, yo, yo, yo, Goddy out there. Jaws dad, talking shit. I love that. But it just, it seemed like a team that just,

is just feeling this out real quick, you know? This is the first time where they had been a top, a top three seed. And they're just, they're figuring it out. right now. I think we're seeing the growing pains of Memphis. I don't, and this goes some reason why I called them fake, and I know I got a lot of stuff. Hello, Verno, hello, Chris Verno. I know. I know. He listens to the show. He kind of jeeched me on Twitter because

I said they were fake. But the reason why I said they were fake is just because of reasons like this. It just feels like they're not just, they're just not ready yet. And they have to go through those growing pains right now. Yeah, I mean, every, I think that's fair. You know, you come to a season and you have these goals set out for your team, right? And most teams say, yeah, we want to win a championship, right? And then realistically, you know, there's there's a more, you know, pressing goal, if you will, right? And I think Memphis, while they wanted to win a championship, I think being a great regular season team this year was the next step in their evolution, like in their own minds, right? Like, we're going to be, we're going to be best team

in the league, second best team in the league, whatever we can be. Like, that's our quest this year. we want to win a championship. But real talk, the next step in their progression was just being this gangster-ass regular season team. And so I'm not saying that they can't, but I'm saying sometimes when that happens and those are where the priorities are, you know, you kind of just exhale a little tiny bit. And now you're in the playoffs and, you know, you almost got beat by Minnesota. And now you got Golden State with all of their weapons and all of this experience and a great coach. These are daunting tasks to have to overcome if you're not razor sharp. And so I think you are right.

I think they may be a year away from it. It's funny because the warriors are just giving Jha every jump shot. They're just like here. They don't even run out to him. He hit his first two-three's last game. And then from there it was just bricks and bricks and bricks. But it's funny because it just seems like the evolution of like, yo, that means Jaws are going to get in the gym all summer.

And hopefully it'll get that. three-point or right. I wanted to ask you something because I was watching the game and I've been watching the last few, you know, I've been watching the Grizzlies. They've been one of our teams that we just love that, you know, the real ones just love to watch. I love watching the Grizzlies and specifically Jha.

But I kept thinking, hmm, this dude feels like, I don't know from a cultural standpoint. And I know he gets a lot of comparisons. It was like a little Alan Iverson there. Like throwing his body into the defense when he gets into the lane. Now, Jaws a lot of,

lot more athletic than Chuck was, but I do see that. I remember your series, Ra, and 01, that Milwaukee series, when Iverson was just going into the land. I think he bruised his tailbone that series or something like that. And I couldn't help but thinking, man, Jaws really beating up his body right now. Just all these nixon. Like how do you get from, first of all to see what you think about the comparison. And two, how does he keep his body intact when he's just so much athleticism

and he is so prone to running into folks and running into things? I mean, I could see the Allen Ivers in comparison, stature and, you know, quickness, athleticism. I think Chuck was probably a better score of the ball, you know,

just overall score of the ball than JAA. Like I think Jaws phenomenal around the rim finishing and stuff. that but Chuck you know Chuck was just a pure he was a pure score like he put that thing in the cup you know what I mean like that was but that's not to take anything away from Jai I just think like Chuck was probably a little bit better score Jai's better you know uh leper and stuff like that I it's always a tough thing to predict because you know Chuck did take a lot of punishment but he he withstood it for a long time it just doesn't you don't transition into that next

phase as gracefully when you're a smaller player and you take that much punishment because those hits start to take a toll almost like a running back that's got a high usage rate you know like you're running you might be great for a good stretch and then the miles catch up and so you know i think job does need to explore you know rounding out the jump shot and getting himself a a more well-rounded arsenal from the floor so that he can alleviate some of the banging that he's got to take. His style is always going to be to throw his body into people and to get in there and mix it up. I'm not saying not to do that. And I'm not saying that he doesn't have a great offensive game.

But everyone evolves. Like you saw Kobe after a while realize, hey man, I, you know, I'm not 23 anymore. I can't just be on top of the rim with all of these seven foot, 275-pound dudes beating the hell out of me. So let me become more of a jump shooter. evolved. LeBron evolved. They all do. And so I think, you know, if a smaller player that relies on getting to the rim,

that takes its toll more than it does on a 6-6-225-pound dude. Yeah. I just wish there was a, for these super duper athletic dudes, man. Like, you know, you first saw it with D.Ros and you saw it with, and now you're seeing the Russell Westbrooks. Now you're seeing an evolution with Jha.

I just wish there was like, you know, for athletics, for athletic quarterbacks, there's like the slide. I wish there was like a basketball version of a slide, right, where you can just get in and get out. I don't know, man. I hope that he figures that out. But overall point is it does feel like this is a feeling out series for the Grizzlies.

And I think ultimately, I think the Warriors are going to win just on smarts, not necessarily because they're more athletic or, you know, necessarily better from top to bottom. I think that they just have, they've been there before. And I think they're going to, they're going to learn the grizzlies a lesson real quick just because of just the same experience. And that's cool because I think the, I said this in the beginning of the postseason. I think the grisies are going to be a title contender for years to come,

but it's something to stay here. So with that being said, I think the grizzlies win game too. Yeah, I do too. I think it's another one of those series, though. I think it's another one of those series like the Minnesota Grizzly series. series where, you know, they're going to be on the other end of this one, but it's going to be an entertaining series. I think it's going to have some games and some nail biting and some pushing you to the limits, but I think Golden State ultimately wins it. But I'll take Memphis in game, too. Yeah, man, it's going to be fun. So, Rajah, I was just very disgusted last week when, you know, when Luca and Spencer Dinwiddie and Finney Smith just went up in there in the Salt Lake City and just, just took that serious. I was pretty upset with the jazz.

It's a staff record label and a crew. It's unfortunate, man. You know, I just can't express it enough. And, you know, we don't know what's going to happen with the, there's going to be an interesting offseason there. You know, there's rumors that, you know, even though he has a year left on his deal, Quinn Snyder, you know, might be going elsewhere.

It might be new coaching change. You know, there's the looming. I don't know if it's a decision, Roger, but it's definitely something that they got to figure out, which is the Gobert Mitchell situation. And, yeah, man, but I say all that to say, to say, Roger, it's time for Packwatch, buddy. And I just want to say real quick

before we get to Packwatch with Jemey. Jomey isn't here right now, so we have to do a recording to him. I don't know. Is Jomey? Do we got a call out, Jemmy? Maybe we could just give him a little warning shot. He didn't want to, you know,

he's getting a little Hollywood. He sent in a video message, He sent one in. Hey, fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me, Joe, me. That's all I'm going to say.

He said he's seeing Dr. Strange. And I think it's very strange that he just would, you know, say on the timeline that he's going to be on Pac-Watch. And he said he's going to be on Real On One's. But he's like kind on Real On One's. Whatever. Let's just see what he has to say about the Utah Jazz who are on Pac-Watch. Hey, fellas.

Sorry, I could not record with you. in real time, but I had to let the people know. We are free of the jazz agenda. We beat the Utah Jazz allegations. We are free. Listen, listen, every year we have to hear about the jazz and how, oh, the Jazz are here. Oh, do you see their wings on offense?

And Rudy Gobert locking down the paint and their warp and their stats and the defensive rating and got out of this and that and this and that and every single year were left embarrassed, bamboozled, shocked for that some reason the jazz aren't NBA finals contenders. Look at those guys, man. We've been saying this for years.

They are the definition of fraudulent. The dictionary definition, all right? Up 3-1 in 2020. L. Come back against the Clippers. Up 25 in game 6. And Terrence Mann turns into Prime MJ. And now this year, the Dallas Mavericks, who, for sure.

Let's be clear, had the better record, right? but Luca missed half that series. Half the series, man. On baseball, Luca played on one leg, and they lost. Rudy Gobert looks like he doesn't know how to play basketball on the offensive end for whatever reason. He looks like an eighth grader who just picked up a ball for the first time. And listen, it really hurts me to say this.

it really does but I am so sick and tired of mountain time Monte Ellis man like what are we doing here with these guys they don't work together okay something needs to happen

Quinn Snyder's my boy but they got to figure some mouse out because we are sick the fans the people listening everybody outside of Salt Lake City Utah is sick and tired of that team man, they're done. They are who we thought they were.

They are exactly who we thought they were. Fraudulent. And hopefully, I'm begging, I'm pleading, I'm asking the gods above cons to everybody that we have seen the last of this team. Because if I have to come into the 2022, 2023 season, and hear the same garbage that I've been hearing for the last

four years. I'm going to be sick. I'm going to be sick. It's time to say goodbye to this jazz team and officially not just put them on Pac-Watch for this playoffs. Put this jazz team on Pac-Watch

forever. This iteration of the jazz team is done. Done. Goodbye. Sayonara. Adios. See you in the next life. I am done. I am disgusted. I am disgruntled.

And frankly, I'm disappointed that we keep having to hear about this team. And I just hope that this is the final pack watch on this irradiation of the jazz. Thank you. I yield my time to the chair. Damn, man. Listen. That was incredible. If there are any Salt Lake listeners out there, I co-signed with me.

None of that except. Yeah. Except you fumbled the bag. You should, you should, a localist Dallas Mavericks team for half of that series, you fumbled the bag. Like, like we could call a spade a spade and secondly, I'm with Jomey. That this, this roster as currently constructed does not need to be back in Utah next year. It's time for change. I'm still regruving, man, because that was a lot.

A lot. It was a lot. It was a lot going on. I'm not, I mean, he kind of just said everything that needed to be said. But he let it off. Like, there's no if ands or buts about that. He was, he let that thing off. Honestly, I'm not even mad that he's not here right now because that was incredible.

I know it was one take. He did that in one take. It was one take. Wow. Let's go to a little segment we like to call Room of the Week, shall we? Rworn of the week is a segment that we do weekly where we just shout out a person, entity,

an organization that won the week. I'm still figuring out my real one of the week because I'm in shock. I might give it to Jemey just off the incredible display. But, um, Solda, thought,

Roger, do you have a real one of the week, sir? Uh, let's see, a real one of the week. Um, yeah, I'm going to give a real one of the week to someone I watched play yesterday.

Um, and I was sitting there. It wasn't the star of the game, although had huge plays in the game. I think very helpful in the endeavor being in the Celtics. Came into the league like was a laughing stock at times in college basketball, even though he was super talented. He's from Florida. He played at a great basketball institution at Duke, but just became this kind of side show thing with the anger management issues and kind of some of the

silly things he was doing on the court. And people were really worried about what his pro career was going to do. And I watched him yesterday. And he's turned into it. a nice pro. Grayson Allen. And I always cheer for a dude. I always cheer for a dude to get a second chance to kind of shake, you know, the label that's been placed on him and, and,

and, and, you know, succeed. And, and Grayson Allen is a tough, a tough basketball player. Now,

sometimes he crosses the line. Some of the stuff is just, yo, like, you know, sometimes you got to stand up for what you, for who you are on the court. And in terms of what he is now is he's an integral part of a great team in the

Milwaukee Bucks. And he's provided. in huge plays in an effort for them to win a championship. So he's going to be my real one. Grayson out. That's what's what up, man. You know what? I think I alluded to it to the beginning of the show.

I'm going to give it to, I'm going to do a three, a three prong, I'm real one of the week. It's going to do a three one. Let's go, right. Let's fucking do it. I'm going to give my real one of the week to Monty Williams to Willie Green and to Chris Paul. Because I saw what I saw at the end of that.

that series was class personified, right? You see guys that have all come up together. You see a guy in Willie Green who is really making a mark for his, on his coaching career, you know, pretty early in his coaching career. And then at the end, you see the visual of him, you know, hugging the guy that gave him the shot in Monty Williams. Monty Williams, who has, I forgot where I was reading it, but Monty Williams is a guy that, you know, has been through a lot, you know, in his life. And that's been well documented, real one off of just overcoming that alone.

But one of the things that I saw, I forgot where I read it, but Monty is a really good example of a guy that is very self-aware and that will change. But I was reading a story about how when he was in New Orleans, he would, you know, he had to learn to kind of let go a bit what his play, what his coaching style and things like that. And, you know, give the players more ownership, paraphrasing, but that's what I read. They give more ownership of their roles and stuff. And he's done that with Phoenix. And he's one of the, become one of the best coaches in the league in his second time around. really respected dudes. So Monty Williams

and then also Chris Paul, man, who has been a guy that obviously one of the best point guards to ever play the game. But injuries have kind of eroded his postseason success. And, you know, he really wants it this year and it was really cool to see him

on that stage, you know, do something. So my three, my three ruin of the weeks, it was Monty Williams, Chris Paul, and Willie Green for that visual. It was a very ruin at a weak moment. That's been another edition of Real Ones. Thank you, Jemmy, for an eloquent pack watch. I hope you're enjoying Dr. Strange, buddy.

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