The Ringer NBA Show - The Cavs’ Historic Start and Breaking Down Another Anthony Edwards Poster | Real Ones

Episode Date: January 10, 2025

Logan and Raja start by talking about the Cavs’ historic start to this season and whether they should aim for the best regular-season record ever (9:40). Then they talk about another crazy Anthony Edwards dunk, and Raja talks about defending dunkers (23:02). After that Logan talks about his piece for The Ringer about LiAngelo Ball’s hit song, which leads to a discussion about hip-hop and music in general in the NBA (34:12). They wrap up with their Real Ones of the week (47:27). ‘Real Ones’ will be live at All-Star Weekend in San Francisco! Get your tickets here. Hosts: Logan Murdock and Raja Bell Producer: Isaiah Blakely Additional Production Supervision: Ben Cruz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, y'all. Sirot Sohi from The Ringer here, and I wanted to let you guys know about a new show that I'm hosting. The Ringer WNBA show. We're going to be talking about all the biggest personalities, breaking down and analyzing the latest happenings that make the W so fascinating, featuring some of the best guests and experts from around the league. Tap in with us on the brand new Ringer WNBA show feed on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. What's good?

It's Logan Redock from Real Ones. Before we get to the show, I just want to send Conduble. and show love to everybody that's been affected by the fires in Los Angeles County in Southern California as a whole. I've just seen all the images have been heartbreaking. I just wanted to shout out some organizations that you can donate to to help people that are actually on the ground, the American Red Cross, the California Fire Foundation, the Canine Rescue Club, the YMCA Korea Town Locations. And also I've been seeing a lot of GoFundMe's for a lot of different people, that have been displaced.

So if you see someone that you're in love, that you love, tapping with them on that. There are a lot of people within the ringer that are in LA that are affected by it and beyond. And there's another place for, if you are on X, you can go to Los Angeles underscore scan. They give you updates on everything that is happening throughout the region.

Again, just want to send love and condolences to everyone that's affected by the fires. And we are with you and praying for you. And hopefully you are safe and getting the help that you need. Now, let's get to the show. It's popping. Real ones. Logan Burdock here, Roger Bell there.

Whoa. Man, I hit that on the bench last night at a high school game. The kids were like, what? Bro. What are you doing, coach? Hey, man. Let me live. Here's another thing.

I'm sorry. We're going to talk about Labello or Leangelo, the ball brother, with the slap in the second in the second segment, but I would like to say, like, this is the first time that we're gonna talk about calves, we're gonna talk about stuff, and then we're gonna talk about the song. But one thing that I will like to say,

I'll give a little preview of the second segment, which is I know I'm starting to get to an older age because I'm over here like, man, kids don't know about hot boys, kids don't know about the old school. This is really what all it is, it's the rim off of the old school. What do you mean? Y'all went outside for Juvie.

All right? Yeah, I've been that. You're just, yeah, I'm a generation. You're a couple generations. You're a couple generations before. I just want to also say, Roger retweeted the link for the live show, so I think that means he's going.

I think. I think as a better chance that it was Tuesday. My travel may or may not be booked. I mean, I really don't know. But I have given confirmation on flights. I've accepted terms. Oh, God. When do you get in?

You want to tell people when you get in? No, I know. I don't know. No, no, okay. All right. Well, yeah, can you tell me offline. Maybe we can go hang. I don't know.

Yeah, I'll let you. I'll let you know. Let me know. I will be in before the show. I will be leaving after the show. Let me know. Whoa. We're completely off the rails here.

Why not? Why not? What else was I going to say? There was other stuff I wanted to catch up on before we get to the show. Whoa. Yeah. Ty Bell had 25. 13 and 5 a couple nights ago in a big win for Matterlakes basketball in case you were wondering

shout out to him yo what is what's going on with him catch me up on the on the the bell brothers please uh of which you can share to the yeah to the listening to all yeah zen's birthday today zenn's birthday today so shout out zen turned at 13 who's really the heartbeat of the bells like who's really the like the one that gives all the energy and has the djs and he he brings the vibes he's the original vibes curator the force is strong in that one and you'd appreciate this just because he's he was the baby of the babies you know we had our we had our daughter afterwards but like we thought we were done at three and he was the baby of the baby so to see that joker turn 13 uh it's pretty crazy it's pretty crazy how time flies um what's up shug tie is having a um a really nice season

his team is taking some lumps because they're led by hey he's a freshman and then his back court made as a sophomore they've been missing their their senior big all season he's only played one game. But he's having a nice year. It's been a good developmental year, man, learning on the fly. Stuff like that. Diaz chilling, bro. Rehabing coming out of his boot next week.

I went on Twitter like once during the break, and I just saw your ass at a hospital. What the fuck is going on? Crazy. What happened? Yeah, he got, he was really blessed, though, man. He got drop hip tackled. And so he kind of got folded back over his right. leg and then another delineman came and landed on top of him so I put all that weight so so he wound

up having ankle surgery but there it was it was a tight rope ankle surgery which is which isn't the craziest thing in the world to have to have there weren't any fractures there weren't any dislocations nothing like that so you know he's literally just kind of getting mobility back and and and uh getting out of the boot going to get his foot strong and his calf and his Achilles moving again and then he's he's off and rolling. Okay, man. That's cool. I'm really, I'm really happy for all the little homies, man. I appreciate that. I hope the listener enjoyed the update. The update for sure. Speaking of updates, because Ben Cruz is on the call, and I know it will kill me if I don't say this, that tickets for our live show for All-Star Weekend are now on sale. The link is in

my bio and all of my bios on Twitter, Blue Sky, threads and Instagram. Go, you know, I feel like I'm obligated to say, tickets are going fast. Make sure you go. It's at the punchline, February 15th. Make sure you go. Because you can see Raja roasting the shit out of me in the flesh, which is, you know, will be a sight to behold.

Wow. It's going to be crazy. What's our setup? What's our setup going to be, though? Do we know, like, what we're, you know, hold on real quick. You have a mic? Ben Cruz, do you have a mic?

We have the guy right here to tell us. Ben Cruz, you got a mic. Come on the show real quick. Come on the show real quick. What's our setup? What's our setup? We got a pod to do so we got only like maybe three minutes to talk about this but like what's our setup? What we got?

What's up? The setup is only the best for real ones. That's what I was told. The terms that Roger was talking about at the beginning were private jet. Yeah, yeah, a little PJ action. That's why I have to pick him up and he's making me dress up in a show fur outfit

which I thought was a little extreme but we're doing that. In terms of the set up. High standards. Yeah, yeah. And then only the best, once we get to the punchline. You know, 4K cameras. I'm holding everyone's mic. I only have two hands. There's three you guys. But I'm figure, I'll figure it out. But it's good. That's it. It's going to be at the end of it, the end of the show, when we look back on punchline history, it's going to be Dave Chappelle, real ones live. Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's fine. I guess my question would be like how fresh does a 50-year-old have to get ward?

robe wise. Like, am I going to be visible from the waist down? Does my shoe game need to be on point? I'm going to be on a stool. Just wear the low top ones you wear the fucking zip up hoodie you wear the skinny jeans. You wear, dog. Wear a variation of that. Hey, what are we doing? It's all I wear. It's all I wear. You go to Rogers Plaza right now. It's like one of those cartoons where they go in the closet and it's like 17th versions of the same thing. Just pick the freshest version of that. No, no, it's not true. Because I do have a lot of variations of the ones low. It's all I wear. I feel like doctors, right, but with Jordan one low.

That's right. A very similar type of gene and sweatshirt are different colors, though. Okay. All right. Well, you know what? You might need to wear a jacket over that because you might get cold, because it's going to be just middle of February. Say less.

You know what I mean? But like, hey, wear your variation, you know? You got, you got, or you can go back to the 2000s of wear like your long-ass fucking, What are the Jay-Z shirts that they used to wear with the... I might hop up in the attic and grab, like, one of my old, like, one of those old Mitchell and Ness jerseys. What's your... What was your hottest, Lichol and Ness jersey that you had?

Oh, man. The hottest one that AI was like, what the hell is that? I need that. And he came up with it tomorrow. What was that one? It's been so long, man. I had a tough Archie Manning jersey. Yeah, that was one of my faves.

I had, man, I don't remember it's been so long. I had a lot of football. Some basketball, but a lot of football jersey. Okay. I just picked up a Jets Ronnie Lott. Oh, tough. Yeah, it's tough. Anyways, eventually we'll talk.

We're going to talk about basketball, which is now, speaking of great shows, the best show in the NBA right now is a Cleveland Cavaliers. Oh, God. You seem wrong with that. from practicing in the mirror for sure um at this point they are 33 and four and they are on pace i know this because i checked um dan gilbert's twitter they are on pace to win 73 games this season um this is very historic start and i know we probably talked about this on real ones while i wasn't here but i really don't care but we're going to talk about the Cleveland cavaliers at this

point in time in their respective season. The 2015-16 Warriors were 35 and two. The Bulls were 34 and 3. And my question to you right now, because I watched, I watched the game Wednesday, and I watched a little bit of their game last night against Toronto. I thought the last night's game against Toronto, weirdly, was more impressive. And it's not because I'm anti, but it was because they were down second out of a back-to-back after a big, big, big win against the Thunder. You always think a journal one is going to go down. But then they just, they eke out a win.

I think one of the most important things to do throughout the season, especially if you're on a chase like this, is getting more of the wins against Toronto than the games against the games that you're up for against the Thunder. So I thought that was a little bit more impressive. Darius Garland had 40. My question of you, though, When you're trying to go approach history,

and we've seen this go a couple different ways. We obviously saw the 96 Bulls go for the 72 and 10, go for the record, and then win a title. You also saw the Warriors in 2016, go for the record and go all out for the record and ran out of gas in the finals. When you're going against history, and I'm putting you on the staff right now

with your old guys with Kobe, with Dan, with everybody in Cleveland, what are you suggesting they do? Or do you go for history or do you say, hey, man, whatever happens happens? What are you doing right now? It feels like their owner is on the former, but where are you at? Yeah, that's an owner's job, though, right? Like, that's, you know, I wouldn't expect an owner to really be on much other than that

when you have a chance to make history. I want to go back real quick and just you talked about last night being more impressive. I didn't see the game last night. Like I was, I had to coach a high school game and I was watching the Penn State Notre Dame game. But it would be more impressive. And those are much tougher sometimes Ws than the thunder coming to your place. And even though that's a measuring stick game and they're a better team on paper and whatnot, like it's hard on that back to back for every reason you talked about the emotions, you know,

the, you know, maybe the missing pieces, what have you. like that's a much tougher win. Those are the gritty ones. Those are the ones that test your medal. You know, anybody can get up for a good team and pop them. But can you bounce back and find a way to gut out a tough one that you probably should have won, but you find yourself down in it. Those are the championship medal testing games.

So I would agree with you there. If I was in the building, Logan, I think some of it depends on the makeup of my team. You know, like you get a really good feel for the people that are in that locker room when you're around them all the time and how they're wired mentally. But I think I would be less worried about chasing history and more focused on playing our best version of basketball and continuing to develop in that sense.

I think teams that get caught chasing numbers, you know, sometimes get their priorities mixed up. You know, they might get to certain places and because they've hit a benchmark, just let down in a way that stops them from achieving the ultimate goal, which is to win a championship. So not knowing those guys in the locker room,

not having any finger on the pulse of it, I think I would say, hey, man, that's great. And if it's a fruit of the labor of trying to play our best basketball, then we'll take that. But, you know, the efforts are going to be to play the best version of Cavs basketball

and be the best version of ourselves health-wise, scheme-wise, so on and so forth, rolling into the playoffs. I think the most important part of this, at least this iteration of the team. And I think that we've seen this historically with the other groups that have been etched into this history. Like the Warriors, they were coming off a championship

in 14-15. But if you go look back at that championship, and I know Ben Cruz is on the line and he's going to get sad when I say this. There were a lot of people that were doubting the validity of that title, right? Spurs had gotten kicked out of the, or eliminated from the playoffs early, and that was a really, really good Spurs team.

There was a lot of injuries just at the perfect time, including the Cavs team that you were a part of in 1415, right? So there was a lot of, there was a lot of, you got me messed up in that team's veins going into that 15-16 season, right? Same with the Bulls when in 95-96, when you talk about that 94-95 team, Jordan comes back, but they lose to the Orlando Magic, right? And it was a big chip on everyone's shoulders, Mike saying people didn't think that he could come back to form. You even go back further than this before me and you were born with the Lakers in 72, right? The year before that and the years before that, they were losing the Boston Celtics.

and they wanted to get a big win or win at a high clip. They had something to prove. I see that similar thing with this team, this Cavaliers bunch, where you got a guy like Donovan Mitchell, who we've talked about on this program, being a guy that, yeah, he scores, but does he lift his team up on a consistent enough basis when at the most important times, right?

We always talk about, I think you're seeing the other side of this. in Phoenix with a Devin Booker, right? Where not all scoring is created equal. We always have that argument here. And that's one thing with Donovan Mitchell. And then you have Kenny Atkinson, who has had success, but has one of the biggest moments, right? There's a lot of questions going into this

that they feel like they need to answer. I do like that, though, Roger, that they do have this chip on their shoulder. But I do think there's that tactfully, tactfully, you know how I'm a word, tactically. to whatever the hell. Tactically? Yeah, tactically, right? Thank you. You know, we need some continuity here.

But whatever the net word is, they need to get their shit together because the bosses of the world are still lingering, right? There's still good teams that can beat them on a given night. But I do like the fact that they do have that built-in ship on their shoulder because that's historically is what gets these historic-type teams through these historic-type seasons. Yeah, 100%.

I mean, having a chip on your shoulder is always a plus when you have the other things in place, which is the talent, the scheme, so on and so forth, right? And if you have a good team and they have a chip on her shoulder, that's a great situation to be in. I think, you know, you have to find the balance with the team that hasn't won a championship, like since LeBron left. you just have to, you have to guard against that chip being anything other than winning a championship. If the chip is, again, record related, I do find that teams that when they're after that can take their eyes off the ultimate prize sometimes and just have a subconscious letdown if you get to that point that doesn't allow you to be hitting your stride in the playoffs.

So the chip I love, the chip has to be focused. like this can't be a record-based thing this can't be a best regular season you know win total type of deal this has to be a championship chip you know like the championship is the cure-all for all of these chips and disrespect or perceive slights to to set individuals so from the let's go talk really quickly about the team the makeup of the team like there's so much depth on this roster obviously right with their bench but also just how they're one of those rare teams that can play in any type of style, right? And they can, you know, Evan Mobley's been great. Jared Allen has been great. And then you have the two guards in Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell. What is going to be needed? They do have depth, but that takes you, I would say, it can carry you,

but also you still need stars to win a title. How much can their depth carry them, say, through the Darius Garland game where he's missing everything, right? Or the dud of a game that's, you know, inevitable from Donovan Mitchell, not because he's bad, but that's just what the playoffs. That's what comes with the playoffs. Do you see like an Evan Mobley game? Do you see a Jared Allen game, not just like in a support role,

but hey, maybe they need to get you a game, as like, as the immortal Kendrick Perkins would say. How do you see that this depth being sustainable come playoff time? I mean, we've seen a, we've seen a difference in this team. We've seen the same team in previous years, but like, this is obviously a different setup here. Yeah, I mean, I think, I think, yeah, I trust it. I mean, I, you know, I don't know that their supporting cast is, is like, throw them the ball and watch them cook, go, go win us a game type of supporting cast necessarily. But their style of play isn't that.

So as long as you keep your style of play. true to who you've been all year, if one of those, you know, more prioritized offensive players doesn't have a great game, I do think you can have guys like Alan and Mowbly or, you know, Max Drews could chip in off the bench and Karas Lever. Like you have guys that can point produce, right?

But like, you have to stay, you know, you have to stay true to who you've been all year. Like they're, they're, so to answer your question, I do trust it, Logan, even in a space where, like, I think your question was, like, do I trust, you know, some of that supporting cast to go off and get you a game? Well, I, they don't really play that style with those guys. So, like, they could point produce their way to helping you get the game. You just got to stay within what you do. You have to play that way, you know?

Yeah, I, I, well, so I go back and forth and seeing, like, because I, that's why, like, I haven't, I haven't given them the fool. I got shit for it last, last pod from a lot of people within my group chats. Oh, man, you don't like the girls? What are talking? That's not what I said. I don't know how they're going to be when the chips are down. But that's why, like, I am curious to see how they go up against Boston. Like, that's what we need.

That's what the streets need to set the world order is to see these two teams play against each other on a big stage in the Eastern Conference. But that's one of the things that, like, does give me pause, right? because there are players on Boston that can legitimately, other than their two guys, give you a game, right? And we'll see what happens with that. One last thing on the Caps, because I know you know this really, I know you know this very intimately. How important is them, at least the city for the city or for this team to win at a high level to get from up under the shadow of LeBron James? if that's even possible.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think it's important. Cleveland's a great sports town, like great sports fans. I really don't know. I'm not there. I don't know how much of a shadow, LeBron. I mean, clearly he casts a big shadow and he's from the area and what he did for the organization.

But, like, I don't know that it's like a shadow that people feel the pressure to get out from under right now. Maybe within the organization. But I don't know that there's, The streets are talking about that necessarily, if that makes sense. You know, for the people in the building that were there, the cobies of the world, I don't know what other remaining staff is around ownership. I think it's a really big deal, right?

Like you want to prove that, you know, while, yeah, LeBron was a huge component of that and Kyrie and whoever else, like we do have the ability without them to be the best in the world at what we do, right? And that's putting teams together and managing them and giving them the support that they need to to win championships. And so, yeah, I'm sure those people would really like to do that,

maybe for those reasons. But I really don't know that people in Cleveland are walking around feeling like the Cavs still have the LeBron shadow kind of hanging over them. We'll see what happens. I love this team. Save a quick break. And then we're going to talk about some more stuff.

And we are back. Just showed Raja, the fucking crazy dunk from Anthony Edwards. What do you, can you give me, what would you have done defensively on that? Are you, what do you got out of the way? I would have moved. At what point do you, do you like just say,

fuck it, because you're a defensive player, right? At what point do you be like, I don't want no parts of this? Because you pride yourself on locking someone down. So like, are you- When he turns that, when he turns that corner, and when he turns the corner, his shoulders are kind of square to me if I'm under the rim, when he turns the corner on that left wing.

As soon as he starts to rotate that left shoulder towards me, then I know he's about to take that gather and get up in the air. Like at that point, you've got to make a real decision. And so, you know, like, if you're going to be a really good defender and be in help side, you need to be outside that paint so that you have an opportunity to, I want to see that again. Do you mind? Do you mind? I'm not going to watch it with you.

Hold on. Let's see. Let's replay that. Let me take it back. All right, let's see. Yo, this. How do I get to the Penn State football press conference?

Wait, no, I just watched it. I'm sorry. Here it goes. Here it goes. So you see Isaac just doesn't even like, he doesn't even look for it. Is it Isaac's fault? Whose fault is this on this on this right here?

I mean, you can't do anything, but like, who's fault is? No, it's nobody's fault. It's headband, uh, low, low man weak side is general rule of thumb. and what he did was like he kind of no he's peeking back he did the right thing he just didn't get over he he kind of chased his man through to the weak side um and while he was doing that he had his head on a swivel he was he was seeing ball and man he did not chase his man to the opposite

corner weak side but once he decided to come over ants already corner turned you have to sprint to the block get outside the paint and try to take that charge on him that's the only that's the only right but you can't take no they're not giving you no charge as you saw in the and Kobe when Kobe dunked on Nash that was a clear charge that they were not giving you. Yeah, but only because you're so, if you're obnoxiously high, where, like I'm talking about taking a charge

where he's not getting to the rim to get the dunk. Got it. Because he's already. He's getting the next spot already. He's done. It's over. You're not getting there. Yeah, right where he takes off is about the block, right? Like that's the, he's taken off from outside the paint,

two feet just above the block. And this defender is, it's basically like on the, on the restricted circle. That's too low. You're going to get dunked on. So your only hope is to catch him right where he's taken off and try to take that charge out there. Okay, one last question on this. I have another question adjacent to this, but one last question. So I'm looking at Isaac right here, Jonathan Isaac.

And I know what I would have did in pickup, obviously. But like he can't leave Nas Muhammad, right? Like he's like in a no man's land. but like he's the one that I feel like could come from behind and block it. No, he ain't blocking that. You're not even, like, he shouldn't even try. So he's fine right here.

He could, he could, uh, that's happening too fast. Like he's not going to get, his angle's already gone. Like Jonathan Isaac's angle is, is, now they could have made a mistake on that, on that Zoom action. And I don't know what the call is that they have in place, what they were supposed to execute defensively. But, uh, you had two,

you had two options is that we, side defender there. You either get feet outside the paint and try to take the charge or because you're so far, you know, it makes him make a secondary move. Now he can't take off and dunk on you. Yeah. Or just get out of the way. God damn. Or block it

if you're like a legitimate, don't stand there and do that. Yeah. I'm definitely number 34, Window Carter, just like, oh, shit, that's crazy. Yeah. Oh, man. That's crazy. He put him in the hole. One was, so, okay, before we get to, you know, what everyone's

waiting for it. One is the, like, the best, the time, the statute of limitations are over. The time that sticks out in your head of when you said, no, I'm good. Fuck this. It's cool. Don't worry about it. Y'all got it. When I said that in regards it, maybe either getting dunked on or just letting somebody go by you. Oh, like what, like mid play, you're saying? Like when do you make that determination? When you made it's like a business decision? Do you remember a play where you just was like, you know what? Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, that's a hard one, man. Like most of the time I would get over there and try to take a charge, but there

been a few where you just know, sometimes you can see the look in somebody's eye. Like, we all know who's got the silly bounce and it doesn't make sense to get in there late. Sometimes there's just a look in somebody's eye where you're like, yeah, you don't want, I mean, I'm really, I'm not feeling like that tonight. So I'm not going to try to get over there and get in a poster real quick. Okay, now this is a, like, this is a real follow up for like all the real ones out there. They would want to know. So, like, how much of that decision is predicated on, I got the bag already and I'm secure with my life.

Everything is cool versus, like, I'm on a minimum and I need to make an impression. Oh, yeah, no. I mean, minimum, you have no choice. Like, minimum, you're over there sacrificing the body, you know, let their chips fall where they may. He's either going to make this dump. Like, like, Sixers, Rajah would have tried to do something, right? But like maybe like maybe jazz. No, not that person in jazz, Roger.

But like Phoenix Sun's project would have probably made a bit more likely to make a business. Allow me to rant real quick. Allow me to rant. Let's do it. Like this is perfect. You got you got me right where you wanted me to go today. Here you go. Generally speaking, I'm not letting you try to dunk on me.

I am fouling the shit out of you. I'm fouling you. And today's basketball culture is like he's dirty. Dirty. like what a listen you didn't launch your ass up in the air

trying to dunk the basketball on me I have the right to foul you now I'm not trying to like I'm not trying to tackle you out of the air or like cut your legs out

from under you and flip you or anything like that but if I go up and try to get that ball knowing that if I don't get that ball I'm fouling you on the arm

in a way that you can't get that up there or we're both coming down without conceiving. that bucket, I don't think that's, I don't think that's dirty. So that's what I would have probably done. Like, I'm late, hey, my boy, like, hey, now if you go through me, you go through me.

Like some people got a head of steam built up and they're so strong and so athletic that you're just gonna get me, but like, I'm going up there to foul your ass. Counterpoint, we did call you guys dirty when you did that shit. The difference is, Roger, is y'all didn't care. Y'all didn't care about what we thought

when you did it. Y'all would just still, you know, foul. Well, it's not, but it's, it's not dirty. Like, dirty would, dirty would suggest that, like, someone is owed the right to go in there and, and dunk on someone uncontested. Like, a foul is, a foul is not dirty.

It's just like, yo, man, I've chosen to make you go to the free throw line and make free throws. Now, if you try to flip someone, like, that's dirty. If you're putting your, this bothers me a little bit. There's not much that bothers me, but like, whenever someone puts their foot under someone else's foot, I get linked to that as if that was one of my things. I never did that shit to anybody ever. I thought Jalen Rose did that. I've had it done to me.

I was the one that. I thought that was the one. They put you in the category? Is that what you get in your? No, I get lumped into that category all the time. But I've never, not one time ever done that to anyone ever. I've had it done to me multiple times. I had to check Kevin Durant.

I've told that story because I wasn't sure. that he didn't do that to me on purpose in Seattle. Like, I ran up on it. Like, yo, man, you better fucking tell me. He was like, no, I just got big ass feet. Yeah. And that was cool. He was a baby.

But like, the point is, that's not dirty if you go over there and say, I'm not letting you dunk on me. And you've put yourself up in the air trying to make a highlight real of me. My fucker, we both coming down. I got to see this one more time because I think, let me see. Did Brett even try to like, did he just, he just went up. Conceded getting dunked on. Wait, hold on, bro. This is what pisses me off about this.

And I say this is someone who might have done this, Anthony Edwards is coming my way. But I'm not an NBA player. What pisses me off is that he did the jump and then ducked as he jumped. Look at it. It's a silly thing. Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, you didn't try to take the charge or blocked the shot.

You just jumped and ducked. Bro, you're not helping anyone. But I'm coming over. Hey, Roger, it then got called for a foul. If you got called for a foul, Oh, for that. You might as well just fuck them up, right? It's worthless.

Like, there's a worthless, that's a worthless attempt. No disrespect to, to, to, to the player. But, like, you have a couple, you can try to take that charge if you can get there early enough. Right. You can make the business decision to get out of the way if you're of. You can try to strip, too. You could try to strip, too, no? No, you ain't going to strip there because not coming from that angle because he's already got his left shoulder turned to you, which is really hard.

when you're in that position, like as someone who dunked on a lot of people in college, my favorite as a right-hander was to come at you with my left shoulder, get off a two feet, I could deliver the bump to your chest, especially if I get up before you, because as you jump and my shoulder hits your chest, it actually propels me a little bit higher.

And it grounds you, right? Because when those forces meet, your upwards force carries me a little higher, and, like, that propels you back down. So it's a recipe to get dumped on coming over there late when someone's got that left shoulder pointed at you, the ball in their right hand had extended away from you, and they're kind of leaning,

especially if they put that forearm out. Like, if you get that forearm out on someone, you can really push off of them. But that's why you don't, like, you come over there to bow his ass or get out of the way. Yeah, it's fine. But just don't, but don't jump duck and dip dodge and dip, you know, just don't do that.

The seven D's a dodge ball. Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge. Was that a foreshadow? Patches over with a hand. Oh, man. By the way, severance is coming out next week, right? Isn't that? I don't know.

Have you watched Severance yet? My wife and I just started. All right. It's fucking trippy. I just finished it. That's like, it's fucking wild. Anyways, Chalotally affiliates,

I'll just say that. Speaking of affiliates, Raja, Leangelo Ball has a record out. That, how does it go? How'd it go?

I don't know. Don't do that. Come on, man. Come on. That's tacky. Dude. You're too good for that. Don't do that.

If you would have asked you right now, if you would ask you right now, Logan, how does Bonnie the trunk go? I would be like, get out the more. I would have did that for you, bro, but you over here, Kat. But that's in my era. That's in my era. You're trying to set me up.

You're trying to get me to come on hearing sound. I don't know, you know I don't know the words all the way because I said it before the fucking pod and you corrected me. So you're trying to set me up to do it again, and then you're going to call me washed and do that little rhetoric shit you do. I don't appreciate that. And I'm telling you you're better than that. Okay.

So, first of all, I wrote this on the ringer.com. Everybody go check it out where the title is, I admit it. Leangelo Ball Tweaker is a certified banger. And I chronicle my time of fighting it, the fact that it's a banger. And also just succumbing to the fact that it's a banger. Roger is playing the song. All right, hit it go. Go, go.

Go get it. Hit it. Hit it, rock. That's the only part I know. Almost smirms on that corner. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa.

So I, so I, my, uh, first, so I, my relationship with this song starts with our guy, Cliff Augustine was a producer at the ringer, right? Who was like, yo, if you heard the tweaker song, right? I'm like, I heard it, but like, I mean, I didn't hear it, but like I had heard about it, right? Sure. And so he plays it. And I'm like, I mean, that's just, that's just some hot boy shit, right?

Like, whatever. Ryan listened to it. Stop. Stop it. No, stop. Then I go, feel me, I go get my hair cut. Shout out to Pook by the lake. I went to go get my haircut. And I went to go, you feel me, get ready for the game. And then they played it. Shout out D. Sharp at Chase Center. They played it during steps warm up. Well, before that, I listened to it in the car on the way to Chase. And I must, and you know when like you hear son it's so infectious, that's all you play on the way to someplace. That's all I play. It's like 20 minute drive, played it all the time. Then I got to the parking lot, played it 10 more times. At an obscene level. Shout out to my sound system for surviving that. And then I go out to Chase Center and D-Shart's playing it during Steph's warm-up. And like, I'm supposed to be, you know, trying to be a professional.

You know how that goes. So I'm trying to like chill. But then I just the shoulder bop just like. Yeah, got you. And then I do the side to side. like, ooh, right? Yep. And then I'm like, okay, this shit is a banker, right?

And then I just can't stop listening. Then I just accepted it. Roger, what was your journey listening to this? What was your journey? What was your journey? Let's see. Had seen it on socials a couple of times, I think it was the Lions. So the Lions locker room after they won a game, like they were doing that, you know,

the cameras in there and somebody said, throw that mellow on or something like that. Or the Jello, throw that Jello on. and I had no idea with that man I was like okay like whatever so then um it was a few nights later maybe the Bulls locker room there was like a viral clip of the Bull's locker room

like getting kind of turned to it and I was still like all right that's like a like a trendy song I guess like I don't know I didn't know the affiliation between um brothers there Lonzo and Jello I guess so then so then the next day I'm in the kitchen

cooking and like everybody's kind of hanging in the kitchen when I'm cooking and uh and Zen comes in and he says he hits the line like um a whirp and that corner whoa and i was like i was like what is that he was like bro everybody in middle school my whole middle school saying it i'm like saying what he hit it again and his big brothers are going to whoa they were like yo that's that shit that new jello i was like jello jello who They're like the jello ball. I said, man, stop playing with me, boy. So then they put it on and I heard it.

Were you like, heard it on or were you being like, like dad and like I ain't trying to hear that. I said to say real hip hop. No, I always go into that mode with them. That's first, I mean, that's default, right? That's bullshit. Like, whatever. So yesterday. By the way, what's real hip hop to you?

Like, what is your like, is it like 93 to like 2006 or some shit? Like what is like, what is the line? Yeah. I mean, I don't know where. I draw the line as far as it's stopping. But like, I can appreciate some of today's stuff. Like, I'll bang out with them in the car with some of their stuff. Like, I don't, I don't all the way hate it.

But I always got it just for, just for like shits and giggles. I always take the approach. I'm all that's some bullshit, man. Little, little whatever I make up names. Yeah, I make up names for the little rappers. They think it's funny. So, but here's what I did, though. Yesterday I'm sitting in a car.

I took Dia to rehab. I'm sitting in a car. Mine of my business. Just, you know, we got a few, calls to make. I said, man, let me hear this shit. Let me tap in the Spotify and see what this shit's about. Turned it on.

And I found myself like Logan Murdoch sitting in there like just bumping a little bit to it. And that was my journey. And so then I'm at the game last night. Again, sitting there watching a basketball game with what the kid next to me. And I'm, it wasn't the greatest game. So I'm, I'm singing it. And the kid next to me is like,

Ha! He said, coach, what are you doing? What are you talking about? Let me live, man. Am I smirp in that cona? Whoa, watch out. That was my journey. That was my journey with the, what's it called again?

Were you a hot boys? It's called Squeaker. Yeah, I like hot boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, it's like one of those, man. I'm like what? Like, I just was surprised to just like, I guess I'm surprised about how big it is,

but I'm also not surprised. This is like the 12th most string song in the world. Can we do this? Like, this is going to be, I don't know how, I mean, people don't care about him anymore. But like, the man, the man did all right with his sons. Can we say that? He did all right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, he did all right. Like two of them, two out of the three of them Jones was in the league. He got all three to college, or all three had two of the three to college. One is now the leading boat getter, you know. Shout out of Papa Ball. Yeah, real talk. And that's, is that the number one song? Is it the number one song in the country right now?

I don't know. Pretty much. Like, I mean, you can't literally escape it. Like, it's like. I mean, if whole middle schools in West and Florida are singing it, it's pretty big. We haven't had a viral hit like this since, like, not like us. It's like on that level. Like, it's funny because, I mean, I can tell the song is big based on, like, my Spotify

algorithm, right? Like, if it's like, if I'm getting in my backpack, Roger Bell's shit, right? and like real, real underground that I'm going to hear other underground stuff, right? I remember when I first heard this, it was paired in an algorithm and I'm getting real inside baseball here, but Tweaker was paired in an algorithm

with like other underground songs. And then a day later, it's paired with like squabble up with Kendrick Lamar. You know what I'm saying? We're here. Like we're here. You know what I mean? So now, like, which is a way better transition

than the song, the songs that I was listening to after Tweaker, on Tuesday, for instance, right? So, like, it's just been, it's been great. Shout out to them, you know, like, that's what's stuff. Like, I'm really happy. One thing I do have to ask you, though, what do we think overall, Roger? Because this is one of the things that I was thinking about while I was reading my,

or writing my piece that you can read on the ringer.com is just the symmetry between hoops and hip-hop. And I feel like we've come a long way now where back in your day, everybody thought the shit was corn. Like, everybody thought, like, no matter if he was good or not, they thought that any hooper that was a rapper was corn, right? Like, no matter how good it was,

because I was listed as some old shack and some of the shit tracks, like, some of the shit still, like, it can't stop the range on with Biggie, like, still, it's pretty good. The Fushnikins? Yeah, I know I got skills. You know what I mean?

That still holds up. But, like, I remember when AI was on the team, and you was you was on the team and like he was jewels and like scared everybody have to death right so like where do you think we've how was that by the way for you guys how was that like that whole like david started over here like nah it's not happening um i don't really i don't was i don't know if i was with him at that point um trying to think i don't really i don't here's what here's what here's what i'll say to that a lot of dudes a lot of dudes a lot of dudes way more dudes than you think, Logan, are musically inclined in the NBA, like guys that have real talent, like,

um, you know, either, either DJing or singing or, or, or, or, or, or, guys are, you know, just kind of talented. Like I, Carlos Arroyo, I played with at, at FIU, played for the Miami heat and the Pistons and the Utah jazz, like a, uh, Puerto Rico Hoops Legend is like a big regatone star. Like, he can really, and we all knew that he could perform. and had lyrical and performance talents way back then. Alan Iverson had real talents. AKA H. Wells. Yeah.

No, Shaq, Grant Hill. Like, I mean, more people than you think, real musical talents. But I think today, because, like, back then to some degree, there was no real platform to get your shit out unless you were basically signed to a label and they were putting you out there, right? Like, I mean, they were mixtapes, but those were only, you know, like, I mean, I had my fair share. Like, you could get your shit out there. there, but there weren't as many vehicles to get your stuff out as there are today.

Right? Is you wrap? No, I've never, never, never dabbled or dabbled. I mean, I might be in the car with the boys and they think I'm like, they think I wash. I might, I might drop a like a freestyle on them sometimes just to let them know. Stop. I'm real talk.

This has been done. Not, not. Let me find out you got a high 16 when you come to the bay. No, I'm not good. I'm not good like that. I'll pick you up in the airport myself and just drop a freestyle. Like, yo, what's not even? But at times, at times I can be witty enough to, to impress them in the car.

But because you can get so much content and stuff out, I think, I think that, I think that people have, it's not, you're not always hearing just the best shit. Do you know what I mean? Like you can hear a variance of thing. You can hear a good. stuff you can hear bad stuff you can hear everything in between that so I think much more is accepted if that makes sense that makes sense like when you're only hearing really good shit if you hear something that's not like super hot you're like now I'm

out I don't want to hear that versus like if you're hearing the whole rainbow of different things good bad and everywhere in between you might be more inclined to listen to something that's not like a certified banger because it's better than the other shit you were listening to yeah I'm just I'm just happy for Jella you know I'm happy And that is a certified banger, so I didn't mean to throw no, no, no, no, I'm happy for him because, like, you know, I can't imagine just being a middle child and one that didn't make it. Now he got like, he got the certified banger and he's right there with his other brothers. Like, yo, no, I'm here. I'm the biggest star right now. They're taking turns. And also, it was a real family vibe with this whole thing, right? Like, I think Lonzo made the cover art, you know, mellows over here. Like, y'all, I'm playing in the locker room after we beat up on Roger's sons, which is, geez. Shut out, bro. Jeez.

Jeez. Slow me down, you came on here talking real reckless today, but I thought the third time I had to add. All right now. We're back. Okay, my fuck, I'm coming out to the bay. I'll be out there in a month.

Allegedly, we'll see. I won't believe it. Like in Vegas, I did not believe you were in Vegas until I saw you in the flesh. I had no idea. He doesn't exist. He doesn't exist.

I don't think anybody believe we do each other until that happened. I don't even think that happened. I don't know. Did we talk basketball on this shit at all? That's an hour. We did. We did.

We did talk about basketball. We talked about getting dunked on. And we talked about Hoopers and hip hop. All right. It's Friday. We're back. It's time for Rear One of the Week. I know that Howard motherfucking Beck,

motherfucking forgot to do this segment. He told me he was like, I just forgot to do Rowan of the Week. We're bringing it back for 2025. Rewon of the Week. He became a viral sensation a couple weeks ago, but I wanted to make sure that I gave him his props. Dr. Bradley, in his first game, I believe, had 30 points, eight rebounds, and zero assists.

And he became a viral sensation. No doubt. He throwing that thing up, man. Keep shooting a shot. All right? Shout to Arkansas. Shout to be legit of the Mortal Wars. That's how I found out of Arkansas, Roger,

where he said on a song, city to city where he says, I got a shell in Pine Bluff, Arkansas. And then I was like, where's Pine Bluff Arkansas? I looked on a map. I was like five years old. And it was my shot at. Right, right where Pine Bluff is. Raja had to redo his Rewan the week.

I'm not going to tell anybody who his original real one of the week is because he's giving me that look. But just no, he just fucked that protocol by doing his new Rewan of the week. So now we're doing a Rewan of the week in post that Isaiah now has to do because fucking Raja doesn't. know how to pick a real. You want to know why we're redoing? Why? Because I wanted to fucking redo it. Just

so we're fucking clear. Listener. Shit. My real one of the week. Why do we get bad for no reason on this podcast? Why do we just blow up for no reason? Shit. Here's my real one of the week. It's the fuck.

It's going to be Carson Beck. Because that boy just committed to the hurricanes, dog. That's right. And while we're not, you know, my son's not necessarily, he didn't choose Miami. I've been to cane for a long time. And I'm always rocking with the canes, you know, having the best chance to win a natty. Carson Beck, he's injured right now, but he's going to do big things following Cam Ward at University of Miami.

So University of Miami and Carson Beck, I guess, co-real ones today. You're a little, you're a little fake right now. I'm not going to, I'm going to tell you why you're fake offline, but. Why is that? I'm going to just say it, but if you want to cut it, you'll just say you cut it. I asked you the other week or during the time, I was like, yo, bro, because my writers were in the hunt for the top three pick in the draft. And I said, who do you pick?

Shador Sanders or Cam Ward. What did you say? I don't remember. You said, you said, Shador Sanders. Okay. What the, why the fuck am I faith? You shouting out Cam Ward right now? Cam Ward just had a great season at University of Miami.

I mean, that, that is, that is the team that I pulled for my whole life. You said he wasn't, and you went against him. You said he wasn't shit that you're going to go with the guy from C. That's, that's factually incorrect. Nobody said anyone wasn't shit. Oh, you didn't say that part, but you said, I know that. But you went against him. I said, I might take, I said, I take your door.

Like, what's wrong with that? Something about loyalty here. That's faith, boy, you barking at the wrong tree today. I know this. I know this. Carson Beck will be down there at Coral Gables. I know that. I say this, though.

I watched the U part two during, like, my leave or whatever. I was like, this is what getting Rogers blood boil it right now. He's fucking locked. I was locked in on your behalf. The U part two was good. It wasn't like the U part one, though. But that was the one you lived through, though, was the U part one. That's where you were like.

I bridged them. I bridged them like that. Like the early, early U part one, I wasn't in yet. Like when Schnellenberger took over, like I wasn't, I wasn't there yet. By, by the next, by Jimmy Johnson. And then, like, then I started, I was like, like, like Michael Irvin, right? That's like the peak of like that shit, right? Yeah, but before me.

Michael Irvin was before me. So like those teams, you know, I wasn't around those teams. Like I wasn't like a diehard fan yet of those teams. So like I got in on like, I mean, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, Gino Toretta, it was Horace Copeland, it was Lamar Thomas, it was Jesse Armstead, Kevin, William, it was those type of teams, Stephen McGuire. Warren Sapp was on those teams too, right? Sap was just after that, like those were my teams. And then I took it all the way through

to you, part two. Okay, there you go. Man, I wish. Man, I was like Caldurkey was like good, but they don't know about sports. Unfortunately, um, okay. Y'all just got a five-star recruit, five-star quarterback recruit, flipped, flipped from Cal to Oregon, signed with Oregon, went to the Rose Bowl, then flipped back to Cal after Mendoza went to Indiana. So just in case you wanted some recruiting. That's what's up. I mean, I wouldn't say y'all because, like, the only closest part that you could say y'all

for me and Cal is like that Marshaun year. All right. It was that one. But, like, I was a big USC fan because, like, Reggie Bush had that. Reggie Bush had that same effect on me that you had at the University of Miami. That's what that was for me. Cal wasn't shit. Okay.

Before we get out of here, though, like a real important thing, man. Just like shout out to all the real ones in L.A. Our hearts are with you. It's so scary, man. Like, I'm, I was, I was, I'm in California. Obviously not in, in, in, in, in, and down in L.A., but like a lot of our, a lot of our coworkers are down there, you know. Just make sure you guys are safe.

Fires are no joke out here. And it's just been really scary. to see all the images, but I hope everybody listening is safe or on their way to safety. Our hearts are with you. Shout to all the L.A. Ruins, man. Like, for real talk. No doubt. And we will see you guys on Tuesday.

Rerwinsmailbag at gmail.com. Real onesmail bag at gmail.com. Real ones mailbag at gmail.com. We will be answering all your questions on Tuesday with Howard motherfucking Beck. We will see you on Tuesday. Rajesh jani. That means we need to go. Talk to you soon.

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