The Ringer NBA Show - The Celtics are the 2024 NBA Champions | Real Ones

Episode Date: June 18, 2024

Logan, Raja, and Howard are back with reactions to the Celtics’ series-clinching Game 5 victory last night (02:00). The guys discuss what Jaylen Brown winning finals MVP means for Brown and the Celtics as a whole (12:00). Then, they look at where the Mavericks can go from here (44:00). Later, producer Kerm joins as the guys answer your mailbag questions (53:00). Email us your questions at [e-mail] Hosts: Logan Murdock, Raja Bell, and Howard Beck Guest: Jomi Adeniran Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Real ones. Logan Murdoch here. Roger Bell there. Howard Beckett to motherfucking cut. I knew this is going to be a special episode. I know this is going to be a special episode. You know why?

You know why? Because Raja hit the chat pre-pod asking for the link six minutes before we even got into the Zoom call. Yeah. Ready to go. You giddy, bro?

Are you ready to go? Are you ready to roll? Yeah, listen. I mean, yeah. What are, was there was a basketball game yesterday? I can't tell by what you're wearing right now. Actually, before we get to the, before we get to the festivities, before we get to talking about the Celtics 18th banner that they just, that they're about to put up in TD Garden, much to Kerm's chagrin. Let's give a, let's give a early, early, early real one of the week to our guy.

Diabelle, who has committed officially to the University of Texas, prompting Raja to, actually he came into the Zoom call with one outfit, then just left and then put on the Texas football shirt and the Texas football hat. That's the championship that we really care about right now. Roger, what are your feelings going into this? How are you doing, bro? Let's go to that first. I'd like to thank everybody that made this possible.

We're excited, man. We're excited, man. We're excited. It's been a process, man. It's been cool to watch my son kind of go through it and develop as a young man and, you know, develop relationships with great people in this business. And I do want to say that, man, because there were a lot of places he didn't choose to go to that were very tough places to say no to that he had incredible relationships with. And as a family, I put it out. We thank them.

He could only choose one, but, you know, there were a lot of places did a great job with him. And we're really appreciative of the way they handled it with him. But Texas was the move for him and the family. We are fired up. All gas, no brakes, hook them. The whole nine, though, we're ready to go. Man, that's so special. That's so heavy.

That's awesome. I might actually have to watch college football for the first time in like 40 years. Come on back, Howard. Let's go. I'm trying to, look, man, I looked at the, I don't care that we're getting off tangents on the championship episode. Y'all will be fine. I was looking up.

I was looking up early games for UT, see if they're going to come to the West Coast. See what's up? So we'll see what's up. I'm about to ask Roger for tickets if they're on the Western Hemisphere. Let's go. So it's all swag, Raj. We'll represent.

No doubt, man. We'll be back out of July. I'll get you all tightened up with the bookstore. We got it. Let's lock in. Anyway, so another championship happened last night. The Boston Celtics got their 18th championship and franchise history. Howard Beck is fresh off a plane from Bean Town to do this

podcast back in New York City. It was, the game was pretty irrelevant. I think the Celtics, the Game 5, we pretty much knew that the Celtics were going to take it, you know, midway through the second quarter. I know there was a bit of angst, I guess from the local contingency there, but I was watching it from the West Coast. I was like, no, this is done. There's no way that the Celtics are giving this up. But it was, it was, I'm curious to get your opinion, Howard, because from 3,000 miles away, it looked like such a relief from everyone involved, right? Jason Tatum couldn't even get a complete sentence out because he was overcome with emotion

for everything that has gone or hasn't gone his way over the last six, seven years. And in the totality of it, it was a beautiful thing to see. what is the biggest sights and sounds that come to your mind being on the ground there, Howard? How did you, what was the vibe like in Boston? How did everybody feel? Were there tears? We'll get to your story on Luca and the rest of the Mavericks in a second. But what was the vibe like in the immediate aftermath of this championship from the Celtics?

So I was assigned to the MAVs so that meant I was not really around the Celtics last night. Our buddy Michael Pina, our colleague for the Ringer, was covering all the Celtics stuff. So this was not much of a scene night for me because, and it's funny too, because like, I do enjoy it. It's fine. Like, you know, every, every finals, your, your assignments a little bit different. Your focus is a little bit different. I always love the scene. Like, I love the kind of the aftermath hallways and champagne stained rugs and tears and people hugging family members.

And a couple years ago, you know, Draymond carrying his kids out, you know, down the hallway, just like the whole, his whole family was like, you know, just, just. sheer bliss. Like, I love those moments because it's the human moments that make sports meaningful in the first place. And so I caught glimpses as I could last night. But my assignment was the Mavericks. And so I was spending a lot of time in a very dour, not very full visiting press conference room where there were only about a dozen of us in there to ask questions of Jason Kidd, Luca, Kyrie and PJ Washington as they came through.

But you, like, you hear it and you feel it, right? And even like, we have these makeshift work rooms. Not to bore people with the details of back of house BS at the finals. But we have these makeshift workrooms that are really just like staging areas under the stands. And so you cannot help but hear and see everything because everybody's coming through with their families and their entourages. And there's a lot of whoops and just hollering. And it's just you feel it. And so it was like it's always like this cool party vibe.

And then when you finally leave the arena, which for me was somewhere between two, 30 and 3 in the morning after filing. You know, the revelry has started to die down in the streets, but there's still a lot going on. And on my way out of the arena, my buddy, your own whitesman from Fox Sports and I went to go split a car back to the hotel. And as we're waiting for it, I see Wick Grosbeck, the Celtics majority owner, like posing with,

I don't know if it was the Larry O'Brien trophy or like a replica or whatever, but some fans had stopped him. He was on his way to some, like, one of those little limo shuttle type deals. and he's just, it's 233 in the morning. He's like posing with fans for photographs out on, on Causeway Street in Boston. I'm like, that feels dicey after the reports of like damage and stuff and, you know, the usual craziness that ensues after titles.

But that's it. I don't have a lot of it. I got to see some clips. I literally am fresh off the plane, so I haven't had that much time today to like go scroll through. But I saw clips of like, you know, Tatum getting really emotional. And I'll just say again, like, yeah, it's a game that involves all kinds of things and X's and O's and schematics and we drill down on all this stuff.

But man, it's about people at the end of the day. And it's about, you know, in this case, reaching your dreams. And finally having that moment manifest after years of them bumping up against this wall. And so to see Tatum break down, to see Al Horford finally rewarded after his long and storied career in this league at age 38 to get a title, Jalen Brown, all of them. Like, it's just cool. It's cool. And then you see the flip side too, of course, just the, you know, the despair or the

disappointment on the part of the Mavericks, but a young team that you know is going to be here again. Let's start with Tatum, who 31 points, 11 assist, eight rebounds in the clincher. It was an ugly clincher, by the way. Like, you could tell, I think it was even on the broadcast that we're talking about just how tired these guys were, right? Like, it just seemed like this, even though it was a five-game season. series just brought a lot of emotion out of these guys.

But the biggest sheer emotion, it'd feel like the biggest weight that came off of the proverbial shoulders of a player on the Celtics was Jason Tatum. We'll get to Jalen Brown in a second. But let's talk about the Jay who got the interview after the game and got his moments, who seemed to be reveling in this and kind of figuring his way through his emotion. in real time more than we normally see in championship clinchers. Roger, what do you think that this title means for a guy like Jason Tatum who is very young? I think he's only 26 years old, but who has gone through the ebbs and flows of a player generations above his time.

What did you think? And what was your favorite part about Tatum winning this title? I mean, I imagine that there is a kind of euphoric sense of accomplishment and relief and all of that that you're feeling at the moment. But typically with things like that, it doesn't really sink in for you until there's a little bit of time in between it. You could sit back and process what just happened, or at least for me in a lot of instances like that. it takes a little while, maybe a week or so from now. He's just sitting somewhere on a beach, somewhere having a drink.

It'll really sink in for him in that way. And the first one's the hardest, usually. Like getting that first one, getting that monkey off your back, getting the validation that comes with that, not just from outside, but the inner piece that comes with the accomplishment. Sometimes, you know, the confidence itself, the belief that, yeah, man, I can do this.

Like, you know, there's always a seed of doubt with everybody. Now, some have more than others, but there's always a little bit. And so, like, you know, I talked about Jalen Brown getting to this place of kind of contentment, like, with himself and understanding who he is and this place where the outside noise doesn't matter anymore because he's, you know, firm in who he is. And I think a championship just adds to that, not just for him, but for Jason Tatum too, right? like we give him so much shit for for being as good as he is and just not having gotten over the hump yet and even when his team is getting over the hump and he's not the alpha quote unquote because he's not scoring the most or doing that we still give him shit and so it'll be naive to think that those players don't hear that even if they're not scrolling

through mentions or tapping in every blog or podcasts like they hear it they're not you know they're not immune to that, man. They're walking around these streets. And so I'm just happy for him. I think it takes him to another level. It unlocks another level for him. Like you can really go back now and say, hey, what do, what do, you know, what do I want to be better at?

You know, it's not necessarily a need. It's not necessarily a need anymore, if that makes sense. Not a need. We're good enough. We just want it. We're coming back whole. And so I don't really need to be better. What do I want to be better at?

And like that unlocks another level of stardom, dude. When you're operating on that, like we can win the chip. We know it. We did it. You all saw us do it. I know I can do it. Now I get to focus on what I want to be better at. I mean, you could start leveling up, you know, in multiples, if that's the case.

I want to get into the MVP voting really quickly. And this question goes to Howard, where it seemed like a coming of age of both players. And this series was so interesting because it started off as, you know, Tatum not shooting the ball very well. And, you know, Jalen kind of taking that offensive responsibility. And then we get to a game where, you know, in the beginning, you look at, you know, our podcasts and the shows that I've been on, the shows if you've been on Howard and the shows that, you know, Raj's have been on, at least we thought that it was a clear cut finals MVP for Brown. and then we get this game, this game five performers from Tatum, and he seemed to kind of come on at the end.

And I'm looking at the voting right now, and I feel like Tatum, it was, the voting was closer than we thought it was going to be. And you can make the case for poor Tatum just coming out. How do you, what does this finals MVP do for Brown in this sense, right? where it feels like a vindication for all the years that he has, you know, been through a lot of stuff with the Celtics and, you know, coming off the bench and playing through these championships teams feel like he doesn't get the respect that he deserves. What did you think that this finals MVP did for his psyche or him as a player and how we look at him in league wide? Real quick on the vote, like, I'm not surprised it was as close as it was because by the time we got to last night and Tatum,

is the one who's putting the finishing touches on this. Tatum is having this just outstanding clincher of a game. And, you know, listen, there's, I don't want to say this as prisoner of the moment or recency bias kind of thing, but as you're seeing that unfold, and you need the knockout blow, right? And we've been waiting all series for Tatum to have a signature moment or a signature game. And it was kind of a slog for him, right? Even the game, well, I can't shoot, but I'm going to have 12 assists because the shots are just

not falling. And he still defended his butt off and rebounded and. that everything else that he needed to do to win. And, you know, like, doubt was put into some people's minds when the Mavericks blew them out in game four. And you think, oh, what if, what if they come to Boston and steal one? And now all the pressures on Boston. So for Tatum to start throwing haymakers, you know, and putting up the kind of complete game that he did in game five, it's a short series, guys.

So, like, I understand, like, Brown had all the momentum. But, and I didn't vote last night. I was not, you know, the NBA, I voted some years. The way the NBA does this in part is, as they choose those 11 voters, they're trying to get a mix, but they're also looking at people who covered every single game, which I did not. I was happy to not be part of this last time. I don't know. I don't know where I would have fallen myself. And if you asked me today, who should have gotten it?

Was Jalen the right winner? I don't know. I'm still not sure. And I even was like, look at a composite stats before we got online. And it's a hell of a lot closer than I think people. probably believed based on all of the early momentum for Jalen Brown and his early production. It's really, really close statistically. Tatum actually led them in scoring, I think, three out of the five games. Of course, one of those was a shitty game for that nobody scored much in

from the Boston side. It's a coin flip. The fact that it is a coin flip to your question, Logan, is in and of itself fascinating because I don't think it's in an indictment of Tatum. It's a It's a sign of how far Jalen Brown has come that he's winning it and that to me it was a really, really close call. Jalen Brown was always the clear number two. But he's also the one who because of just age and contract, you know, weirdness in the NBA, he was the first guy to get the $300 million contract that sets a new NBA record, which will continue to be broken over and over and over again because that's the way the league works.

But at the time he signed it, people are going like, a $300 million robin? A $300 million number two? Yeah, he's really great. But like, you're not going to build a team around Jaylen Brown, are you? I mean, the Jaylen Brown we just saw in this postseason and in these finals, I'm not saying they should build around like, let's stop that. They have a great one-two punch.

Those guys should stay together forever, I hope. But I think Jaylen Brown's done a lot to enhance his reputation as a guy who can carry a team, does not have to be regarded or relegated to a number two role. I mean, it felt like he was the number. It doesn't matter the number he was. It felt like he was the heart and soul of his group throughout the postseason. I'm not mad at the finals MVP pick at all. And it felt like, and I don't want to get too deep into this because I feel like, this is just a very cliche talking point.

But I was glad that he, it felt like they were trying to, I guess Jalen Brown was trying to just calm the world. It feels like they're in this stage of like, there's no beef between us. There's no beef between we're actually best friends. And you kind of saw that bear out throughout this postseason where, no, it's like, oh, they are cool. They are good. And I felt like that was something, a point of contention that, like, that was always some

level of tension. And I'm glad that Jalen, one of the first people he shouted out was his co-star. Like, they are actually, they are at the same plane. And I'm glad the Celtics knew it. Roz, I'm really glad that the world is starting to see this now. Yeah, it's cool because they both, I mean, they both are equally deserving, right, of the flowers that they get for bringing this championship. Like, they're very interesting in that you could, you could make a case for either one of them,

for me, being able to have a team built around them. But I could, like, if you asked me to take the other side of the argument, like, they need each other. Do you know what I mean? And so then maybe not, because I think the uniqueness is that they're just great, they're a great one A and one B in a way that you don't normally see. There's usually a clear delineation. There's a A and a B, a Batman and a Robin, what have you.

But these dudes are just like that close together, different for sure, but impactful, nonetheless, in their own right. And, you know, I do think it's, I think it's just an interest in team building experience when you talk about taking guys that have this type of upside in drafts. close together and how they have to learn to grow, like how they have to trust what you're selling, which is ultimately this is going to be great and will win championships. If you'll sacrifice a little bit of the personal agenda early or maybe even a little bit of the upside and growth early and just continue to trust us, not get jealous, keep it wee over me, we're going to take care of you and pay you. trust in our actions more than the words that you hear,

like all of those kind of cliche type things. And then it has, it is produced, right? Because it's a very easy thing. You see it all the time. You get two people in similar windows that are young and they're not ready to handle,

quote unquote, winning and what it takes to do that. And you've got to get rid of one of them because they can't coexist in your ecosystem. It happens all the time. And these dudes have navigated it, pretty seamlessly because like we talk a lot of shit

but they've never yeah nah do you know what I mean those any windows it feels like something that every time it's been brought up it hasn't been brought up between them two

it's always been brought up between us right like can they coexist and can they can't a team pay them it's completely a media driven thing and if there were things going on

look you guys know how this works I don't have to tell you you cover it if there was beef you know you'd know eventually like now if the sample size was small enough it might have got it might not get out that way but when people have been together that long and there's real beef i mean it's hard to keep that in-house right and so i just think it's been a pretty cool thing to watch i you know and so i was really happy for him i just said that on the last pod like for a lot of reasons a lot of people um

but those two and and it'll be interesting now to see how they settle into the off season the conversations about, okay, well, we got it done, and look at this window. Like, that's going to be a cool thing. I'd love to be a part of one. Hey, send your boy an invite.

I don't know either one of you guys, but let me come have a glass of wine and listen to the conversation. You have ingratiated yourself weirdly into the Boston, like, ecosystem. You've been like, you weirdly said like,

we, like you, are you, what the fuck? Are you on their payroll? Lightway? Because like, last, last, not we, but last episode,

you got a little, like when I did my little apology, you got in your bag and was like, yeah, motherfucker, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, are you? But I didn't apologize. I do apologize. Right. I know you got Boston ties. I know you do have Boston ties.

I wasn't realizing that this was like, you know, no, no, it's not like that. Celtics raw is here. I didn't know that that was alive. I came up as a Lakers, a Lakers fan. I had the, I had the old purple white and yellow. We didn't know this. Breaking news. Breaking news, Kerm.

You're a Laker fan? I didn't know this. In those 80s, in those 80s, like I was in a Laker, like, you got to remember, like, I grew up in the Virgin Islands. So, we didn't get every game, you know, like when the TV, like, so, you know, we were getting finals games. And it was Lakers, usually, right? Yeah. And so, I mean, I went with the Lakers. So I don't hate on Boston, but, man, I can appreciate that, man.

And, you know, I, seeing it from the side that I've seen it from as a player, having young kids that are players. and knowing what outside noise can do to, to like, adjacent Tatum and Jalen Brown tandem and how that could start to affect them. Like, for example, like the Dallas Cowboys and how all of that shit gets really noisy when you start listening to the outside

and the people in your camp and the people in Howard camp. Or a big-time program like University of Texas, you know? Or that, yeah. But I mean, it's just cool to see them keep ranks closed, keep it tight, keep the agenda first. I like that. I appreciate it.

I'll just add one other quick thing, Roger, because I agree with all that. But also, the reason some of this has happened in the first place is, I mean, there's a bunch of reasons. You know, there's contractual reasons. There's, hey, they've been together a long time. It hasn't worked. Should we break them up reasons? That's more speculative by us, whatever. There's some manufactured debate by a certain network that's tried to pit them against each other that I think when we say the media, we don't really mean the media. we mean the network that manufacturers debate. So let's not, and we don't have to implicate ourselves in some of this, frankly.

But there's also the fact that like... Howard's in his bag. I'm trying to be nice. There's also the fact that Tatum, as Logan and I discussed last week, like Tatum is not fulfilling our, our, the media and fans, idealized, you know,

mold of the superstar NBA player, who puts a team on his back and wills them to wins and takes over a game. It feels like it's been bestowed on him every time. It feels like this has been bestowed on him. So Tateham can put up numbers. The dude is really talented. But he's not built in that mold of the guy who just says, fuck it, it's mine.

Let's just do this. I'm going to go drop 35 tonight because that's what we need. He's not necessarily built that way and that's fine. They win a lot of games. They just won a championship. They've been to the finals twice and three years. But what's interesting about it is, is because he is not our prototypical alpha.

And let's face it, like Steph was the prototypical alpha either, but Steph was a guy you knew could just explode, right? We love, we love like these extreme. And even with Steph, we didn't fully give it up to him until the 2022 finals of being like the guy

that could solely lead it. So. Exactly. So because Tatum is not LeBron or Michael or Kobe or Durant even or whoever, people start to look at him. skew. Maybe he's not a top five guy. Maybe he's not in the MVP race. But the thing with the Celtics is, and you guys have heard me use that ensemble term to the point where you're probably getting

tired of me saying it. I'm creating my own fucking cliche at this point. But like the Celtics are a classic ensemble. And Tatum and Brown, if they're not co-equals, they're getting damn close to it. And so what's awesome about this team in a lot of ways is that it's not, you know, Yokic and then a bunch of a constellation around him. Or Stefan. George Clooney in fucking oceans. It doesn't work without both. You got to have both Clooney and Pitt. But I think that that's great.

It's like we, the more different models of team that win a championship or that force us to reassess how we understand the game and pecking orders and alphas and all this bullshit, the more that we have to be challenged by that, the better. And I think Tatum and Brown are the ones who just kind of proved it to us. Like, guys, you can all sit there and manufacture as many debates as you want.

On one night it's going to be me and the other night's going to be him and it's going to take both of us to actually win a title. And they just did it. And it was so damn close that the vote was what it was. And it's so damn close that I'm sitting here the next day. And I still can't tell you that one of the other would have been the right answer for MVP. That's cool. For sure. Roger, when did this series, when was it changed in your eyes?

What was the big tech? When did the Celtics win this series in your eyes? I mean, there were a few points. I really, honestly, this is going to sound corny. And I'll expand and give you some more. But like, I think game one, I thought game one when they came out and they had the energy. They had the life in their legs.

they were showing you that they were committed to picking Luka up full court. They picked him up full court all series. Like they had him last night in the back court. They're setting screens for the man in the back court. I think that that night just demonstrated all to Dallas. Oh, shit, this is going to be a long series. Coupled with the fact that Kyrie was going to really struggle

and you saw that and he wound up struggling throughout the series. But the real answer, I think, you know, is the real answer is, game three, right? When you put the nail, when you're up 2-0, or let's say when you're down 2-0 and you go home, you have to hold serve. You have to get that game 3. You know, not just for the math of it, but for the psychological, like it's 2-1.

Like, it just plays out different. And this is going to sound stupid, but I'm going to say it anyway. You win game 2. I mean, you win game 3 and lose game 4. It's 3-1, just as if you had lost game 3 and 1 game 4. but fuck I think it feels different. It definitely does. You know, like you've literally been in that series like,

right? Where you, I think you got what in 06, it's down to the finals obviously, but it's still right here. In 06, you guys won game one, I think.

You guys won game one. And the Lakers won three straight. And then you guys were coming back to Phoenix, right? Like you, that's, that one that you get early in the series really counts. No, the one early in the series counts.

And so like that's the real answer. But if I'm telling you, just from my perspective, I thought it was game one. I said, oh, we got a problem. They're going to have a problem. Well, and by the way, if Porzingis doesn't get hurt, this thing might have been an actual sweep instead of a gentleman sweep. I believe that.

I mean, it's no disrespect to the Mavericks. I think that they had one killer game in them, and maybe they would have taken Game 4 regardless, but this thing was going to be a much steeper climb if poor Zingis is healthy the whole way. Yeah, it was the most. Mavericks, it seemed like the whole series were they had to play a perfect game even to be within striking distance. There was such a gap in talent and just overall team ability, right? Like, there was, there's a lot to be said. I mean, we talk about this just even in the, the player empowerment

era, whatever you want to call it. But these, I would say it's when, you know, all these superstars move teams, we forget just how much. or how important continuity is, right? And there was so much continuity with Boston on top of the fact that they're historically great and we can get into the numbers. But you can- Are you trying to say continuity?

What I say? What I say? What I say? What? Continuity, yes. Continuity, brother, it is continuity. Is it not continuity? It's not, did I get that?

Howard? I know Howard knows. Howard knows. Howard knows. What is it, Howard's being nice right now? What is it? Is it? Continuity? He knows.

Who's right? Kerm's right. I'm pretty sure it's continuity, but this has been years, Kerm, this has been years now, man. Like,

clearly you've got more moxie than me. I've been listening to this for years. I've never said it worth. You know what that means? You know what that means? First of all, fuck y'all. Second of all,

it means that Raja's not true of a friend as I thought he was because this has been almost there for fucking years. That's hell of fake, Russia. That's crazy.

But listen, in fairness, in fairness, you made, I mean, you say it with, such conviction that I started to question whether I was wrong. It's not continuity?

There's no, that's not a word? I actually had a word. It's just not the way you pronounce. No, brother, it is not. Listen, can I tell you something real quick? Real talk. Hey guys, I didn't graduate college. I'm sorry. My bad. I didn't know that. I didn't, I'm sorry. I apologize. Go ahead. If this brother out here is listening, I forget his name. This was years ago

on Twitter. But he mentioned that in a, in a, in like a little thing he shot to me on Twitter. And I'm, he said And you said, and not say, And you still didn't say shit You still didn't say shit By the way, your zippers down too

Oh, Jesus Christ Yeah You got shit in your teeth Yeah, you got some broccoli between your teeth Damn, it took It took our second producer to do this, Roger Well, like, I mean The Lowe was on my side

They just wanted to see me fucking crash it burn You say it's so smooth though, bro Like, you know what I mean? That's like if you act like you belong Say it like we're good Keep it moving contuity. What did you say? Continuity. How you say it, Howard?

Continuity. No, but how do you, what's the difference between the two? Keep all this thing, by the way. What do you mean what's the difference? No, like in sentences. It clearly sounds different, bro. What are we doing? It difference is how you say it in sentences.

It's continuity is a word, right? Or is it not a word? Yeah, no, the way you're using it. Like, you're using the word in the right context. You're just pronouncing it. Continuity is not a word. No, it is continuity. All right.

Pronunciation right. Pronunciation wrong. All right. I can live with that. I can live with that. That's fine. What I can't live with is my fucking co-host, who I look to as a big brother.

I apologize. This motherfucker just left me out to stray. Even what other people were calling me out, he didn't even call us, call us low home. Be like, low, low, check this out. All right. All right, listen. Come on, teammate.

If it was, that's fair. That's fair. And I'm going to take all these bullets. Like, I can't. There's nothing to hide behind. If it were a word that you use like every couple of pods, I probably would have. But it's a rare drop of continuity. So then, like, I just let it ride.

So sad right now. I forgot my point. But, you know, we're here. You're talking about Boston's continuity. Like, that's what you were talking about. The continuity of the Boston Celtics really range true in this series. There was a sight to be. behold and I'm really glad for them.

All right. Howard, on this, because I'm not even, I'm just so fucking steamed at Raja at this point. I don't like the cut of his jib right now, so I'm just going to go to you, Howard. So anyways, I don't like the cut of the gym, motherfucker. Anyways. It's a, it's jib, actually.

No, it was just. We gotta cancel this five, man. This might be the last episode of Rivalins. This is insane. It's probably the last one. The old one's been canceled. What's up, guys? It's me,

Joe me, back within the pack watch. And it's time for Dallas get packed up. And this is a tough one. This is a tough one. Guys, not a lie.

I'm currently driving in the rain right now because that means it's how this one to chip Dallas how could you let this happen to me lucca you had one job one job yet they're going by you like a turnstile okay it's like a saloon door just swinging back and forth anybody's able to get to the basket okay and kairi oh my goodness karee i haven't seen someone so bad in boston since the british in 1776 okay this you had a red coat type performance out there just diabolical behavior

I am distraught I am in despair and frankly I'm disgusted something's got 18 chips now ice it's tough yeah I'm just gonna put this this tape back in and

keep keep driving the train this is a real pain Dallas I can't believe you do this to me man this hurts fuck so what I was gonna ask was how much, like, there is a lot of continuity with this team going into next season, right? They've shown that they've been great.

How much pressure is all this Celtics to, does this championship bring more pressure or less pressure to the Celtics as they go forward with this group? Like, what is the future of this group in the immediacy? I don't even know what words the fucking say now, but how does this group look going? long term. Are you confident to this group boy long term for the next few years? How do you feel, Howard? We're so fucking off the rails. We are.

You've got to mailbag yet. If people can only see like a broad's like side eye looks just at, yeah. That alone is knocking us off the air. No, listen. There's a weird thing. Like, okay, we now have what, six straight different champions?

Yeah. So this is the longest stretch since the 70s where it just changes every year. And I'm going to say that because of that, I'm not sure anyone has pressure to repeat in the way they once did, right? We are so far now removed from teams repeating, teams three peeting, teams, you know, the Warriors dynasty, like, all right, they notched one more a couple years ago, but they were a dynasty even before they got that one. and we're just in a space now where the parity in this league, the volatility in this league, the pressures created by this new CBA to have to shed salary. Like, it's a hypothetical that came up. I can't remember who was talking to last night.

Are the nuggets in the finals last night instead of the Mavericks, if they just could have found a way to keep Bruce Brown and Jeff Green? I don't know. maybe not anyway. Maybe they still get knocked out. But, you know, it's hard to sustain and to repeat and to keep a core together because the rules are designed to tear you apart. And when we talk about the Celtics, I know it sucks to have to go straight to like, well,

the salary cap and the second apron and all this bullshit. But you know what? Salary cap and second apron. Like they've got two guys who are making massive max deals in Tatum and Brown. And yes, once they sign the new media rights deal. salary cap will go up, luxury tax go up, aprons will go up, all that shit. But two guys making $300-something million. And then Derek White, Drew Holiday, Porzingis, we'll see how long Horford sticks around.

These guys all have to get paid to various degrees and are all really important. And the beauty of what the Celtics have done, what Brad Stevens has done in building on the backbone of what Danny Aange created, was to take a team that already had some great high-end talent, the two J, J, and find just the perfect dudes to put around them. But those guys are really, really high-level role players. And if there's one thing we're learning in this new NBA, it's that you can afford maybe the two max guys, but it's almost impossible to afford a third max guy.

And it's also really, really hard to have two max guys, plus a bunch of really super high-level role players who may not be making the max, but are making pretty close to it. And so, unfortunately, I don't know how long of a lifespan this group as constructed will have, unless guys start taking discounts, but now we're getting way out.

But next year, like, I mean, I haven't seen, we haven't got through free agency yet, but like if you were to tell me that I can get this group one more year at least, they're already my favor to win the title next year. I mean, they're, like, they shown how great they can be. Now, obviously there's the matchups, but that come out west in the finals.

But, you know, you see, looking at the Eastern Conference landscape, You see the Sixers with Embed, who's really good, but does it seem to be great in the biggest moments, right? And obviously it has to do sometimes do with injuries, but then you're talking about the Sixers, maybe adding Paul George, another guy that has not done really great in high pressure situations. Then you look at the Milwaukee Bucks, and we saw what they were this season now. Granted, Dame Willard said that he wasn't in shape for most of the season, which was very curious. He said that the Doc Rivers on Bill's Pod a couple days ago. He said that two Doc Rivers and Doc Rivers shared that on Bill's Pod.

And so maybe that they're better. Miami is getting old. Like I just don't, I could see them having an easy path back to this point. Now, we'll see what happens how Indiana matures, how some of the younger teams mature. But Roger, like, this team seems to be right back in the mix to be in the finals at worst and at best a back-to-back title champion. On paper, for sure, but we do that with, you know, you do that with everybody who wins a championship, right? Like, they're going to pencil them in as the number one favorite going in the next year.

You know, this team is unique because they will be able to keep some of those pieces for at least this year. But I would just say, like, that East, you were just talking about it, there are a few animals out there in terms of teams that are a piece away from, like, I'm still taking Boston because they're a competitive death. Who scares you if you're Boston next year? Who scares you? Well, I don't, if I'm Boston, I don't know that anyone, like, scares me. Like, I'm telling you, I take Boston.

I just watch them do it, the depth, they're well-rounded, they defend. Like, they have a lot of things going for them. I would just say that teams like Milwaukee, like, and the piece could be a player or a coach, right? Like, they're just a piece away from getting scary. I would put Philly in that mix. I would put, I'd put the Knicks in that mix in terms of, you know, like, if they got, that piece that unlocked it, they could be a problem, right? So I think there are a few teams around the East that are in that situation that,

you know, if in a few months we have this conversation again, you know, you might be singing a different tune like, oh, oh, we got, we have competition in the East again. Yeah, I don't, I mean, listen, a year ago at this time, we were saying the Nuggets are going to become a dynasty. Like, we're always prisoners of the moment. So today. What's that? so did they.

I mean, you know me. I pumped the brakes on that one immediately, but like we do this every time. As soon as somebody wins a championship, we immediately say like, oh, I don't see who's beating them next year because partially we're prisoners of the moment and partially because there's a lot of offseason

that hasn't happened yet, and we have no idea what these teams are going to look like in October. So we make these snap judgments. And look, Philly might get Paul George. They might get Paul George and a bunch of other stuff. Or maybe they end up with Annanobi. Who knows?

And I know then we'll say, well, M. B's got to stay healthy. All right. I'm not even going to get into like the hypotheticals. But like a healthy Mbid, Maxi, Paul George with good players around them would be pretty fucking scary. A reconstituted Bucks team, if they can get a little bit younger. And if Dame was banged up or just not in good enough shape as Doc alluded to, you know, the Bucks with another full season and now with Doc from day one and healthy guys.

Training camp. But Janus and Janus was hurt. Like a healthy Bucks team with Janus, Dame, you know, Brooklyn's Middleton, the whole, like, that should, that should scare anybody. They're still really potent. There's, I think there's still really dangerous. And then you go out west where the Thunder are only going to keep getting better and have plenty of moves they can make if Sam Presti wants to ever spend all those draft picks and make a trade. The nuggets haven't gone anywhere. And I think we'll find ways to improve around the edges.

The Timberwolves are going to be great. And the Mavericks, I think, we'll find a way to maybe add one more piece. Like, there's, there's going to be plenty of competition. I'm not saying the Celtics can't repeat or won't repeat. I am saying that we're having this discussion in a vacuum where we don't really know what all these teams that are already pretty damn good might do in the next couple months. No Lakers on that list. Sorry, Kerm.

But let's talk to about the Mavericks before we get to a motherfucking mailbag. You wrote a really good piece. overnight, man, I feel for you, Howard, because I do know those, those pieces after finals games after the finals clinchers are fucking brutal. I remember two years ago we were right in that same Boston hallway, just chugging, just churning. I don't know if I said the right word again, but, you know, we were doing the damn thing. Hey, listen, it's hard to play like that when your second gets in every shot you shoot, bro.

Just let me coach you for a second. And give me a timeout. Just let it go, bro. Just let it. I don't hurt it right now, dog. I don't hurt it. Anyway, you're like Kyrie at TD Garden. Oh, hey.

Hey, man. I did better than Kyrie and TD Garden. As you have. So anyways. Now, but just talk about the Mavericks in general, right? Because on the one hand, it's like, are they going to get back to this point? But then you see Luca and you pair him with the all-time greats, right? Like he's 25, I think you guys know better.

He's in his mid-20s. And Jordan didn't get his till 28. I think LeBron didn't get his till 27. There's a maturation process that comes here and you learn through these different things. Is this the right team, though, around him? We ask this question every single time. Is this the right team around him that's going to be there when he does get back? to sniff this mountain top.

Roger has thoughts. I'm going to go to Roger first. What do you think? Sorry. I was going with Howard, but I'm sorry. Roger just, let's see what,

Roger's got. No, it clearly, look, I said it the last time we were on the pot and I would double down. Like, he has to mature. But everyone had to mature at some point when they came into the league and it was an evolution process

until they became, you know, what they needed to represent for their team to win a championship. He is like a lot of players, all of the greats in that way. I would just say that there are some bones of a good team around him, but there are some things that they're going to need. They have to have, you know, better.

Is this 07-caves vibes to you, though, Ra? And I'll extend that to Howard as well, where LeBron, no, where you just go, it was a better team. Oh, no, no, no, no, yeah. Oh, seven. Yeah. This seems way better than that. I mean, Kyrie is the second fiddle to Luca is way better than anybody.

LeBron had a round of in 07. Sure. Sure, I would second that. Carrey was better than Boobie Gibson? Boobie was playing well, but yes. They just need, they're going to have to like make some moves. They're going to have to go back to the draw. What moves do you want to see with Toronto?

I don't know. I haven't done any, like, I haven't done any digging into their cap situation or who's at wearing a deal. I don't know. They need to get better on the wing. They need to get better out there on the wing is where I would start. I think I can make an argument for a really good backup PG. You know, there are things that I think that they could use

that will help get him over the hump. What did this performance from Luca tell you about him in this finals, Howard? I'm kind of torn on the Luca issue right now with regard to the finals specifically because we have, I think we've all got whiplash. Like for those of us who do not engage in the daily debate, I have whiplash from listening to the daily debate because Luca got pretty well shredded for his defense and lack of composure and his, you know, just constant ref baiting or complaining and everything after game three.

And it was all deserved. But then the snapback was Luke is taking too much blame. Look at his teammates. And like, they got this far for re. Luca didn't just carry them all the way to the finals. Like, Kyrie was really good for most of the season and the playoffs, but not the finals. You know, Gafford, lively, Washington, Derek Jones, Jr., like, everybody, like, it looked at for a while like a pretty well-calibrated cast. Like, not the most potent, not the most talented, not the best collection of two-way players.

But obviously damn good enough to knock off three higher seeds, including the top seat in the West. they didn't get there by accident and then he'd get there just because of Luca. Luca's obviously the reason. Like everything revolves around him and the guy is freaking amazing. So I just think all these things are true. They do need a better supporting cast, but Luca does have to evolve. He does have to grow up.

He does have to mature. He does have to probably get himself in better shape so that he can become at least a competent defender. Because we've seen at times when he dedicates himself to it, he can do it. And everybody told me, toward the tail end of the season, a lot of their growth as a team defensively from going from like a bottom 10 to a top 10 defense wasn't just Gafford in Washington arriving. It was Luca and Kyrie finally applying themselves. But that still kind of comes and goes for Luca. And if you want to be a consistent top five player or an MVP can in this league, and granted, there have been

MVPs in this league who were not exactly dedicated to defense. Hello, James Hardin. But it certainly helps. If you want to be an all-time great- James Hardin, by the way, who has now played the most NBA NBA postseason games without a title. After Al Horford got his that crown goes to Hardin.

But that's a heavier burden for Hardin because, you know, Al Horford's never been anybody's number one, two or three. I was trying to get a shot off.

It's fine. It's fine. I was just trying to get a little little tidbit off. No, it's interesting. No, but it's more interesting because of that,

because Hardin is a number one and the burden for that is higher. I don't know. Anyway, yeah, Luca needs to evolve and the Mavs

need to probably make some moves. The good news for them is even if they are a little hamstrung because they're outpicks and everything else. I mean, lively was a rookie. Bro. And look damn good. And Gafford of Washington are only 25. And Lucas 25.

And Kyrie's 32, but that's not old in today's NBA. And he can still obviously get a lot done, except in Boston. And they've got hopes for some of those young guys. Like, we haven't seen much from OMAX yet. And some of these guys, you know, they'll go out. know, they'll work on their game over the summer. We'll see what they look like in October. But I think the Mavericks have all the reason the world for optimism

and to think they can be right back in the mix in the West. But, man, it's going to be brutal again because Minnesota, Oklahoma, Denver, at minimum, aren't going anywhere. What did you think of, what does this series say about Kyrie, Raj? I don't know that it necessarily says anything about Kyrie other than there's some real there's some real things there are

with him and Boston like there's some juju emotion yeah I don't know I don't know what it is could have been coincidental but it seems it seems real other than that I mean Kyrie played great this year Kyrie played great in the playoffs

Kyrie was as good as number two as you've seen next to Kyrie I think I mean Jalen Jalen Brunson had a great playoff run next to Luca what was that three years ago maybe but but I mean two years two years ago but I thought I thought Karee was great and I know he didn't have a great finals and he did not play well in Boston and I'm not apologizing for him it's the fact um but what it I don't think it said anything to me about

kairri like Kairri's still a fantastic player and I think he he and luka are on the start of a journey I think it's up to the Mavs and I should have given them credit you know I rarely do this but in fairness they may have things over there on on the bench that is maturing in the way that they'd like to see it mature and progressing that might fill the voids that I'm talking about. If that's the case, then, hey, even better. But if not, then you've got to go out and find it. Final thoughts from you, Rajah, on the growth of Joe Missoula, please.

Hey, I've said this, and I will, and I will keep saying this. Hopping into head coaching, I say it every time a player that didn't sit on a bench for a while gets the job. Hopping into the head coach seat is a very, very, very difficult thing to do without real experience. And I know Joe had been behind the bench and he was a very good young coach. It's still a big transition when you're not prepared for it. And the way that went down with EMA, I don't think anyone was prepared for that. And so you saw him take a job and have to kind of learn on the fly in certain situations. I mean, he was ready, but maybe not all the way polished in every situation that you need to be polished in to ultimately win a championship, right?

Like, that team was still great. But when you're talking about winning a championship, like, you had to be buttoned up in all areas. And his path to that over the course of a year, like, you know, what he was able to learn and get better at, not just in terms of his execution, on the court and late game and strategically. But I mean, even in front of a mic when he's talking about his team and he's talking about their willingness to put ego aside and guys just want to play for each other and all of that. Like I've seen a lot of growth in him.

And so apologies again. I mean, not really. Like I called it a spade was a spade when it was happening. But he has to get a lot of credit. Like he's done an excellent job. Well said. Kigotty Kerm out of the motherfucking cup. once more. What's going on? How you doing? You said, you said, quote, in the group chat yesterday,

we might not have a producer because you're about to drink bleach. How's that going for you? What? What? It's an accurate statement. Didn't drink the bleach. I'm here. A lot of my friends from Massachusetts sent me some pretty mean text yesterday. I'm real depressed. So just letting y'all know now, you're not getting any accents today, and you can blame my homies from Massachusetts. Oh, God. If there's an accent you want to take on, I'm confident you will do it. How about a Boston accent? No accents.

None, not even a definitely not a Boston. That's crazy. What's your L.A. accent like? You got L.A. accent? Not a good point. I'm not doing that. Nope. Nope, I got to go outside after this, man.

I'm not doing that. Pork the court. No, hey, I'm cutting that. I'm cutting that. No, you're not. You're not. You're not. You're not.

All right, all right. First question is from Connor. who's actually from Ireland. No accident today. Sorry, man. Blame the Celtics. Connor's going to be disappointed. Yep.

You know you want to try. Come on, dog. It really sucks. I'm not even doing it. Nope. Nope. We're all going to be sad today. If I'm sad, everyone's sad.

Hey, Rowan's. We know you guys can all talk the game, but what we really want to know is who can play the game. So my question is, if you were drafting teams for a game of 5-on-5 among Ringer's staff, after Rasha obviously goes first because, I mean, dude was in the NBA. Who gets drafted second through 10 and this ringer pick up 5 on 5.5? Logan, have you ever played against any of our colleagues?

No, I'm going strictly off just judging. I'm just going to judge. I don't know if I'll pick up number two. Do I have to do it in order? Yeah, it's officially a draft. Okay. You know, I need a body. So I think I would take Rissillo.

I would take Rissillo is like, as my number two. He's your Oakley. He's my Oakley for sure. He lifts a lot of weights. He was like bigger than Raja somehow when we met, when we all met up. I'm going to Rissillo number two.

I think I need a point guard. I think I might go with Kerm Rondo because I see some clips of Kerm Rondo on the pick and roll. Him and Ricillo. I'm nice with the no looks. You know what I'm saying? I think I might put, I think I might put Van as my stretch four. What's that?

How many of you, Mark? You're overlooking an obvious one here because we do have one more former player in the ringer universe here. Buck, Austin Rivers, obviously, Austin Rivers, but I'm still picking Kerm over Austin Rivers. I got picked up to my stats sheet, man. Two-time real one of the week, drafted over Austin Rivers. I'm really him, man. Like six and then seven. I think I might put Syrit in there to Searot hoop.

I don't know her game at all, but like I know she hooped, so I would have to do that. You know a sneaker? I might put Rob Mahoney in there, bro. He's like six, five. Like, he's pretty good. Rob's got some size. Rob's got some size. What's that? Is that eight?

What about? I need two more. Jomey. He's going to be my Mateen Cleaves. He played basketball in high school, though, so he might be good. But right now he's one of a team cleaves. Number 10 I don't know if he got a game

I'm not You know what he's in the ring of universe I'm gonna go with Ben Simmons I'm going with Bill's son I'm not doing Bill he washed He hella washed He's trashed I've seen his jumper

But I'm gonna go with Bill's son Is my number 10 There you go Sounds like a brownie pick to me But you know No he's good Let me not get fired today Let me not get fired today

Hold on the first time I met Ben though He was this duel was doing like he was he's he's he's hell of smart so he was doing like uh they were asking him to do like dunks from like i was i was at bill's house and they were asking me van and bill were asking ben to do dunks from certain dunk competitions and he had like crazy athleticism and he did like the jason ridgerson dunk from from um through the oh two yeah it was off a trampoline but it was really impressive so i'm gonna go over

No, he wasn't doing all that. He would be in the league. He would be fucking playing Ty Bell in AAU right now. Okay. But he was good. I'm going to go a bin. We have to do all the list? You got a little show of all this.

No, I don't even. He don't know. He don't know. He don't even know nobody. So, okay. I don't get the advice to Bill's house. Because you don't never, for instance, you probably, honestly, you probably do. You just don't ever want to fucking leave Florida.

That's true. That's true. I supposedly have an email with the ringer. I think. If anything goes there, it's not. Okay. Now, how we know what Rajah has a response to our email? Or our text, for some reason.

This is actually good. For any of the people in my life that might listen to this, it's very good for them to hear because they think it's personal and it's not. It's just, no, it's not. It's just not good on those. It's two texts. It's three texts. It's link question mark.

It is a two. tweet of his amazing son or it's did you get to record? All right. Next question is from, I'm sorry if I mess up your name, your name, dog. Amadal, A-M-A-D-O-U. I'm sorry, bro. Amadu. Amadu.

We'll go to Amadu. You know what, I'm a do. Good morning, guys. Amadu. I'm from Ottawa, Canada. Can we? Can we?

Can we? Can't leave him alone. Leave this man alone. Go back to Armaddu, man. What you were going to do? He's a Spurs fan. He says, great job on the podcast, guys.

While we're messing up his name, I have a question or annoyed feeling. Now that the Celtics won the chip, that narrative is no longer there. that the Celtics, they're never going to win again. Could the next petty narrative be Jason Tatum winning a finals MVP? I get the fact we need narratives in the MVP, but we do always have to look for nonsense, right? Thanks.

I'm going to have Howard answer this question. Get at it, Howard. Yeah, it's on you, Howard. I don't think it's a Tatum one. Like, there's definitely like some, like, we need a new team or person to pick on for not having met expectations. think it's a Tatum thing. This isn't Steph Curry not getting... Embed might be the next one, bro.

M. B's a good candidate. That's a good call. It can't be... It can't be Tate. Like, dude just won a championship. And I don't care if he won the final's MVP or not. And I didn't care if Steph won or not. And I thought the whole, like, you know,

fucking eight year long, whatever, how when stuff could ever win... Harding's just not fun anymore either. Like, Harding could be one, but he's just not... It's not even like a thing anymore because he doesn't care. He's post-prime. He's like, he's now riding on other guys' teams. It's not about... him anymore. So no. M.B. is a good one because it's, it's, you know, the guy's been MVP and he's a

perennial MVP candidate and he's been second in MVP, what, a couple times. And he's got to stay healthy and he's gone through a couple different co-stars and he hasn't performed in the post. Like, yeah, M.B is probably top of the list of the, you know, who's got to get, you know, who, who, you know, who needs to break through. Is that petty enough for you, Kerm? I guess it works. It works. I see that. Me,

Bursley, I'm leaving this series with something. I'm sticking with this Jason Tatum stuff. I don't care. No finals MVP for Tatum? That's crazy.

I thought that was their guy. I thought that's their leader. I'm going to get these jokes off for the next year. This is kind of fake weight recruit Tatum to the Lakers at some point. That's literally all this is happening right now. Yeah. I mean, if he was on the Lakers,

we'd be our finals MVP. That's crazy. That's wild. Um, last question, even though it's kind of not a question, it was just a very fun email. Uh, coming from Jacob from Austin. He says, after watching the brilliantly accurate new show about the Clippers, I've decided to create, create my own pitch for the ringer's first ever docu series, covering the rise of the real ones podcast dynasty.

Wow. I'm pleased to announce the final candidate selected to betray our beloved real ones, Raja Logan, Howard, motherfucking Beck, and Kerm. Without further ado, Here's your official cast. Okay. Howard M.F. Beck will be played by Glenn Howardton from Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Everybody do a Google shirt real quick because I need the facial reactions here.

Let's all get the Googles out. Oh, God. This is on YouTube. I think he's a little too snarky, though, to be Howard. Not too snarky. I'm just going to say he's way too good looking to be me. Oh. It's a good actor.

Okay. I don't know him at all. I've never seen it. I don't think I've seen anything with it. Yeah, what did I see him in recently, man? He was in a, damn, he was in a movie, I think. He played, what was the one about the phone company, man, with the, what's it, Blackberry. He was good in Blackberry.

Okay. Yeah. Well, sure. The show. And then Rajah will be played by Shabar and Boer. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. He will. Yes, the hell. Where's the fucking will? Logan will be played by Jaden Smith. That's fire.

And of course, I'll be played by Winston Duke. Great big. What's in Duke? What's the dude? Wynneux is like... Dude is like... He's three feet tall than you, Kerm. Yeah, yeah.

We don't need to talk about that, bro. Like, with this show, they'll think I'm six-five. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? You know what I see a vision. I do have a thing. I see the vision. I do have the all respect to the person that Howard would be portrayed by.

I do have one slight adjustment. I think he should be prayed by. Ben Stiller, in front of the show. He should be, that should definitely be a Howard back. I think he would do a great job. He would do a great job. Dude, true, true story, like 15 years ago, my college friends were sitting around doing the,

who would play us in the movie of us, and they cast Stiller as me. So apologies to Ben Stiller. Ben. Apologies to bed for having to be cast as me. Ben, tap in. Tap in. Let's get the financing.

Let's get it done. shout out to that question I still don't I still don't believe that I still don't believe that I still don't believe that that's crazy no that's crazy

I don't believe that come up stop stop he is he is that's the homie if Ben Stiller

if you're a real fan in the show you should email us at real ones mailbag Gmail.com Hey Bill Tab in

email dot com tap in the show by the great great piece on the ringer today oral history of Of the making of Dodgeball with Stiller

prominently prominently featured and interviewed, yeah, so go check that out. Tap in. Yeah. Wow.

If I quoted that, would you know that movie, Logan? If I quoted dodge ball, would you know that? You can dodge a ball, motherfucker. You have to dodge.

I don't know what you're dodging in a couple fucking minutes, but you're going to be dodging something in a second, man. I can dogged dip, dive, and dot.

That's a, Also, that's a wild movie that AIDS wild. It's fucking crazy. Is that it, Kerm? You want to do a bonus one? Yep. Or is that it? Go check it out.

We're going to end it there. We're going to end it there. All right. Real onesmailbag at gmail.com. Real onesmail back at gmail.com. Real onesmail back at gmail.com. I just want to say the Shamar Moore, Roger Bell character is crazy. Chill out, bro.

I'm on your side. I am on your side. This is not what it's supposed to be. I'm on your side. Anyways, this is officially off the real. pod. We're going to build this continuality. And we're going to see you guys on Friday.

Attap in all the shit. Nobody makes me bleed my own blood.