The Ringer NBA Show - The NBA’s Orlando Health Guidelines, the 2009 Memphis Draft, and More Mailbag | The Mismatch

Episode Date: June 19, 2020

We run through some of the details of the NBA’s 100-page booklet of health guidelines for when the league returns in Orlando (2:00), before revisiting the Memphis Grizzlies' choice to taken Hasheem Thabeet second overall in 2009 (22:36). Then we answer your questions about which rookies are in the best and worst situations, which teams have the brightest decades ahead of them, and which two teams from NBA history we’d want to watch face off (35:40). Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Ringer podcast network. I'm Liz Kelly. Make sure to subscribe to the ringer's YouTube channel to watch the newest episode of Slow Newsday with Kevin Clark featuring NFL MVP Lamar Jackson. And an anticipation of the NBA's return in late July, NBA desktop with Jason Concepcion is back to posting weekly episodes. Also up on our YouTube channel are the best clips taken from this week's Bill Simmons podcast, rewatchables, and higher learning with Rachel Lindsay and Van Lathen. You can find all these videos at YouTube.com slash The Ringer. Welcome to The Ringer NBA show. I'm Chris Vernon and joining me as he does every Friday from the Ringer.com is Kevin O'Connor, aka Kevin O'Bomber, aka Kevin O'Connor, A.Keverna, A.Keverna, A.Keverna, A.Keverna, Kovoste, Kavanaugh, Kevin O'Brien. Verno, from home today. How are you doing? We are from home. So, earlier this week on Tuesday, we had a long discussion about everything that had taken place over the weekend and most importantly, the Players Association call with Kyrie Irving having a big voice in that. And we kind of talked it out and about what could happen with the NBA. We both expected that they will end up playing. But it was

rather unbelievable to me that we have this whole long discussion. And then by Wednesday, you have Kendrick Perkins, Matt Barnes, a couple other former players that have the spot light on them. They have microphones in their faces. Say what they have to say about Kyrie Irving. And then the protocols come out. It's a 113 page document and it's like, and here's what it's going to be like in Orlando. And here's what the players are going to be able to do. And here's the entertainment they're going to have. And here's the hotels they're staying in. And so within like 24 hours. It was like, okay, there was that little blip on the radar about Kyrie Irving and Avery Bradley and what they were talking about and players maybe not wanting to show up.

Okay, here's all the plans, everybody. And we move straight into that. And now it, it appears like business as usual. And they're going to, the NBA is going to resume at the end of July. And you also did have the Dwight Howard statement this week saying that we never meant that all players should sit out. It was just about, you know, jump starting a discussion about what to do with the stage for the players that do decide to actually go to Orlando and play. And,

you know, I mean, like, that's what we talked about Tuesday as well, like how it's a good thing that that conversation is getting started. And, but as you said, though,

like, ever since that document came out, it does seem alike. A lot of the conversation is about, like, well, what's this proximity alarm some players can choose to wear? What's this wearable ring that they can wear that could tell like if they have a high temperature and might be at risk of having COVID-19 in a couple days?

And so it's been all about like, wait, why are Disney cast members not being tested every single day when they come in? Why don't they have to quarantine? That's something players have concerns about. I mean, there's still like concern within the PA of like, why wait until after the first round for families to come? This is an important time to be together because of the virus, because of all the social things happening. around the world right now, especially in the United States. And the fact that with these strict protocols and with the amount of things there are to do in Disney, it's something that I've heard from multiple conversations that Disney looks like if it's not

less risky, it's at least comparably risky to be there. It's all about, you know, right now, like if you're at your hometown and you're going to the grocery store where not in every state masks are required out in public. spaces. If you're, you know, doing things in your home city, your hometown, you're probably more at risk than you might be on the NBA campus where you're getting tested every day or food is being cooked for you and being delivered to your room and all the benefits that the NBA has planned in their health and safety protocol. So for players, it's the type of thing where like, well, maybe I want my family to be here early just to be with them and because it's a little bit

safer. There's no question. And I mean, I don't know what it's like with you. And it's, And as we've talked about over the last couple of weeks, it's a little bit different. But there's no question in my life. It would be safer for me to be a Disney World under strict protocols. I mean, I've still been going. Obviously, I do a show every day. And so I'm here to there. And then I stop at the gas station.

And I stop at the grocery store. And I stop where, I mean, I am, I am in contact with a lot of people that I don't know whether they, they've got it or not. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're certainly not, they're, they're not under some strict protocol every single day. And so I do think that there is a, there's a very persuasive argument to me, just coming from my perspective, that if you go down to Disney World and you're under all of these guidelines and everybody within the quote bubble is under these guidelines, I will only say that I personally would feel much safer under those conditions than I do in my own. Of course. And it's the type of thing for me. It's like when I saw this and I read through it last night and the night before that when it came out, I was like, I'd feel comfortable going here.

If invited as a media member for some period of time, I'm like, I would feel comfortable going. and it really has confirmed everything, you know, I've tried to report the last couple months ever since the league was shut down. I mean, I remember back in March, I reported this, like, there was a chance like the NBA could like, you know, at Disney shut down a movie theater and players could go that day. That's pretty much in here. Like with golf courses, you know, with the types of activities they're going to have for players, that there's potential opportunities for after hours at the park that areas of the park could be open up. and it's cool to see these things that were just rumors back in March coming to life now in June. Never mind, like with the safety protocols and the frequency of testing for everybody that's there and the amount of things that are going to be implemented to help make it as safe of a place as possible.

I read it and I'm like, I'd feel good. I read it and thought to myself, I'd feel good about my mom coming. And it's like, it's not like she can, but I just thought about it in that way. like if I could bring her, would I want her to come? The answer is yes. I would. And right now, you know, there's, the NFL doesn't have a plan yet. You know, MLB is not even back yet without a health and safety protocol plan.

Can we take it a quick time out? They can go to hell. Seriously. MLB, yeah. It'll be, yeah. It's a joke. I don't know if you grew up a baseball fan, but some of our listeners may know. Baseball was the first sport I loved for what's worth.

Me too. Some of my listeners may know, some may not. My son is 10 years old. I took him to the NLCS last year. They ended up losing. I'm a Cardinals fan. They ended up losing where I went on Stubhub. I bought us tickets right by the field.

They end up getting shut down by Max Scherzer. But he's sitting there wearing a Paul Goldschmidt jersey. He's all raring to go. It's like here's the moment, right, that you like, oh my God, they're one step away from the World Series and in the end they got beat but like we drove all the way home

and we're talking about what an experience we had, right? Because we're just part of that. And then, you know, I'm saying this as a father. I mean, they could go to hell, seriously. Like the fact that they can't, they could have done,

and I know Bobby's big part of our baseball coverage at the ringer, they could have had this whole stage to themselves, everything. It's an easier sport to play, especially given COVID-19. And they could have played up the America's pastime thing. Generations of people that sports fans that they had lost, they could have gotten them back. And it's one of those times where I do think that yet there's going to be the infighting, though it never feels super adversarial when it comes to the NBA. There's going to be like, you know, negotiating back and forth. But it's, it's a lot.

not like everybody ends up hating each other to where they can't look for the greater good. And okay, here's your concerns, here's our concerns. How do we fix this? And then you have baseball who like, it just, it turns into a shit show every time. And as a father with a 10 year old son who was about to get into baseball, he don't even care. He don't even care. And if I tried to explain it, there's no good way to explain why they're not playing

right now, right? A bunch of greedy billionaires. That's what it is. It's sad. A bunch of greedy billionaires who don't love baseball. It's been that way since we were kids, though, Kev. Seriously. Yep.

I resent them so much, especially just I'm at that very moment where it was like about to break through and I'm like, you know what? He's going to really like this. And they ruin it. They ruin it, right? And look, he's an NBA fan first. But that was certainly something that he's, love doing. We had experienced together, and I resent that so much. And the other thing,

so they end up hating each other because it always feels like they go to the bargaining table and the owners are like, you know, the players are like, give us and just follow me here. The players go, we want $10 million. And the owners say, okay, we'll give you $10. And that's the moment where the players go, well, F you. You know what I mean? It's like, they're so far that they end up insulting each other over every offer that each other makes, the NFL, as you mentioned, look, they let their former players have brain damage. And then the NBA, it feels like a partnership, as it were. And so the concerns can get worked out. It's a 51-49 split for the players and the retired players. And it has very much been a collaboration since March 12th,

when the league got shut down and creating and shaping protocols. I mean, for the NBA, like from a health and safety standpoint, not having family there would be choice number one. But players naturally would want family there. So you come to an agreement. And what they came to is that rosters with 17 players can have 17 hotel rooms in which that each player essentially has one hotel where they can bring family. I mean, it's obviously introducing more people, introduces some more

risk. But the fact is that for everybody that arrives at the Disney campus, you quarantine. NBA players have to quarantine and be tested twice over a 36 to 48 hour period. For family members who arrive after the first round, they are told to quarantine at their home in their home city for, I believe it's 48 to 72 hours, something like that, before leaving for Disney World. And then after arriving, they have to quarantine for seven days. these are the types of protocols that there was questions that the NBA would actually implement over the past couple weeks, the past couple months. There was a conversation about it, but there's no certainty of what those days would look like,

what the testing procedures would look like. And everything that has been outlined in this document is the type of thing that every health expert I've talked to, and the stories that I've reported over the last couple months, has asked for. it is clear that the NBA in putting together this protocol has been very thorough in talking to the world's health experts and assembling something that can work. There's challenges, obviously. That goes about saying it's a virus that we don't totally understand here. But what the NBA has done to me is quite impressive. And like, the only way I can put it is something that I would feel comfortable going to.

It's something I would feel comfortable bringing my mom to. And like she's the person I'm trying to protect the most out of anybody. and you know and it's the type of thing where if she can come like I'd feel good about it did you read the whole thing I didn't read every word but I read I read a lot of it really yeah yeah I mean I have nothing better to do it's also my job you read the whole I could never have made it through the whole thing I didn't read the whole I didn't read the every word dude like there's certain parts of it that were repetitive like there's certain parts where they talk about like the the wearables for example yeah

know, the first mention of that is similar to the fourth mention of it. I understand. So some of it, like, you can skip as you go throughout. You did clip notes. Yeah, yeah. But I was also curious about, like, some of the media stuff that was in there, too, about, like, what it would look like for media. Yeah.

Some people, you know, it's kind of, it's, it's interesting. Like, there's, like, they have different. I'll explain it like this. Let me, let me find it in the document. So somebody told me, somebody told me that if, like, you go as a media, I can't speak to this, you can't. They told me that if you go and you're like going to be in the bubble

as a, like people are going to be able to swoop in and go and basically be in the upper deck, you know, way far away from everybody. But that if you go as a media member and are going to be in the bubble, it cost a fortune.

Oh yeah. I mean, they don't put a dollar, a dollar mark on here, but it, I've heard like, essentially for the whole ride, tens of thousands. Yeah. So no, I mean, like, there's going to be like, because of hotel costs and everything else that goes with it.

There's going to be five guys to do it. Woe, shams, and five guys. I don't know. I have no idea. Yeah, I know. I don't know. I mean, like, that's a big commitment. And also one thing that hasn't been determined yet from a media standpoint.

And like, I don't want to like harp on media problems here. That's not really that interesting for anybody who's listening. But from a league perspective, it was interesting to me to see, like, what categories people would be put into, who can interact with whom. Tier 1, you have players, coaches, health and performance staff, equipment managers, and attendants, and referees. Those people have no face-to-face interaction with anybody else. Oh, wow.

So, like, except for when necessary, such as, like, maybe team security or team front-office staff who fall into tier 2. And so, like, tier 2 includes them, as I just mentioned, PR staff, social content, staff, league staff, basketball ops, facility, security, ESPN arena staff, court side staff, player guests, so family will be in that group, MBPA, film crews, media, and certain individuals involved in social activities or amenities approved by the NBA barbers, etc. So you have it split up like that, but then you also have tier three and like these are the Disney people, you know, vendors, medical service people.

and they get even less access to tier one and tier two and tier four. Like you do have those media members that you mentioned that could be sitting up in the bleachers, that those are the people who reside off campus. If like there's a local Orlando Magic Writer or somebody who lives in Orlando, such as Keith Smith from Yahoo, who was the first one to write about the idea of the NBA playing at Disney, Keith Smith could theoretically live off campus as he does on his home and drive to Disney World whenever he wants to.

Or you could have Bobby Marks who lives in Florida, I could drive however long it takes him to get there for, you know, one day, a day trip, and that's it. Or get a hotel nearby, and they don't have to go under their testing every day. The reason, the one that this is more significant for is, because I have wondered this, beat writers for teams, they will simply go and cover their series, right? and they will be off site and they will have to, you know, be upstairs.

And frankly, the media interactions are all going to be, you know, Zoom. I think they're all Zoom based, right? Everything is, nothing is personal like face to face. There was a separate document that leaked out. I believe it was Shams, Shrania, who tweeted this out. I'm sorry if it was somebody else, but I'm pretty sure Shams tweeted this that said, it's like for players pregame it would be zoom meetings with media post game there would be podium for you know the media members that are there so you i don't know if they're behind like

glass or plastic or whatever but you will get like it's like you know white house press room you know you get trump like you know the separation from the media you know social distance seating inside the room and whatnot but then everybody else like open locker room will be Zoom meetings. So for like NBA fans, when you're thinking about the, the basketball specific, you know, content you're going to get over the coming months when basketball returns, a lot of it is going to be Zoom style. And that'll be interesting to see how that works, how players like it as well. And, but like for the league, though, it does sound like, again, over the recent days, I think this was after we recorded Tuesday, that it became apparent that like, as was rumored, the league, the league is, league is going to support player initiatives here. And it's still unclear how that aspect is going to take shape. That's still part of the conversation that's taken place behind closed doors. I'm talking to talk to a handful of people who say they don't expect there to be a clear plan for the social side of things in terms of, you know, fighting against racial inequality and police brutality

and everything else. Until people are at Orlando, it's kind of hard to talk about these things on the phone. people are in different time zones and everything. There's all these logistical issues. But when everybody's there in one place, the expectation is as players will get together as best they can with all the physical distancing guidelines that are in there and come up with a concrete plan of how to do this thing and how to best utilize this platform to,

like Avery Bradley said earlier in the week, the ESPN, not just make it about wearing t-shirts, not just to make it about social media posts, but pushing for ways that make for actionable change. And that's what the players in the league and everybody else has to figure out. And I hope they're able to get owners looped in. It's important to get billionaire white owners looped into this too. It can't just be on the players here.

I mean, that it's ridiculous to think that it should just be a player's thing. Owners should be involved here too. It just takes one to get the ball rolling here. It takes one to commit to this. The league will too. But owners need to as well. Of course.

It can't just be like Adam Silver making a financial commitment and, you know, having hashtag Black Lives Matter on the baseline. It can't just be that. I don't think. You got to have people that can swing, you know, that can use their power and their money. I think they will. Like I said, billionaire owners. I think, I hope so.

I hope so. But like I, it hasn't happened yet. Hasn't not happened yet. So, I mean, you have Mark Cuban talking about it, you know, and you have the king's owner. So Mavs kings, like they've touched on it, I believe. I believe King's owner was out there protesting as was Cuban. I'm probably overthinking somebody, but not many. It's far less than like, you know, far less than 10 of the 30 owners.

And then they're going to have to reach out and see what Kyrie's league's doing too. And so maybe they can work in unison. you know for Kyrie yeah I saw that I saw that but like his own league with Kai with Kyrie um I hope what he finds is that like he has eight teams that aren't playing right now and he's about to have uh six more that are going to get eliminated before mid August I hope he looks at it like I can get eight teams to start now I can get another six to start in mid August and then You add more after that and more after that that can do stuff away from this Disney campus

in the real world, everywhere else in the country. I hope that's what he focuses on right now in terms of gathering people that can do good outside of this Disney bubble, so-called bubble. I think that's a better idea, too, than starting your own league. I mean, what was you like, I mean, come on,

we got to be able to laugh about something. I mean, When I saw that If LeBron No, I was serious right here If LeBron and Katie And Hardin and Kauai are like I'm going to join Kyrie's league

Are you going to watch that league Or are you going to watch like You know The leftovers in the NBA Let me give you a little Number one I know it would never work I'm speaking theoretically Chris

Okay theoretically theoretically Theoretically Lebron is never joining Kyrie's league There's no way No he ain't following him to subway

much less into a new lead all right let's be careful here let me just all right yeah we read all the protocols that I just proposed because it's not going to happen because of the LeVron aspect but you know the fact is is that like for Kyrie

I understand the sentiment but it's goofy and it's not going to happen there's other ways to use your time and your power real quickly before we get to our mailbag this week. I do want to talk about, I was driving home from work today, and I was listening to our buddy Zach Lo

and our boss, Bill Simmons, did a podcast on the 2009 redraftables. And of course, I had great interest in this because at the time, a radio host in Memphis, I was right in the middle of all of this. The Grizzlies had the number two pick in the draft. I hosted, a lottery party at, it was a Buffalo Wild Wings in Memphis.

The place is absolutely slammed the night that they get the number two pick. Now, in retrospect, like, oh, and this isn't in retrospect, at the time, there was one player everybody knew was going number one, and that was Blake Griffin. That was a sure thing, okay? And Blake Griffin had actually just played in the NCAA tournament in Memphis. Like, that was where the, I believe it was the lead eight game. Sweet 16, the lead eight. That's where it was.

He was there. Johnny Flynn was there. North Carolina was there with their amazing team. It was a pretty great pod that year. And so I had just seen Blake Griffin in person. I saw him when he's playing for Oklahoma. I saw him hit his head on the side of the backboard for an alley-U. And I was like, this is like the most athletic 6-10 guy I've ever seen to my life.

It was freaky. And so then they get the number two pick. I ran a campaign in Memphis for months. And I had the GM of the team, Chris Wallace, on every week. No the beat. It doesn't matter who you take. No the beat. I went to all the workouts.

So keep in mind, Tyreek Evans had just played 30-something games in Memphis for John Cal Perry. In the last game of the season, they play against Missouri. and he has like 30 something points. They end up getting beat by DeMarie Carroll and Missouri, but he has 30 something points. So everybody's got a high opinion of Tyreek at the time. And he just played in the town. Stefan Curry is obviously, I mean, he's hot, man,

because he's just set the tournament on fire and he's fun and everything. They did not want to come to Memphis, and they would not work out for the Grizzlies at all. all. This is part of the reason when we end up getting into the tanking argument that I'm so against it because I think it hurts you in so many different ways, including something as simple as this, right? They don't want to play for a losing franchise that's not committed to winning. And so somebody like Del Curry and Steph Curry get together, they say, well, I'm working out there.

James Hardin, I went to his workout and he either tanked it or had one of the worst workouts I've ever seen in my life. And a lot of guys tanked it over the years because they didn't want to get drafted by the team. Um, and then there was like the Rubio thing that was hanging out there. But the beat thing always comes up and it's like, why did they take the beat? And, and they got A pluses from a lot of people the next day on their draft grade. Okay. So there's a lot of revisionist history on this. I hated him. Absolutely hated him. And I thought he was a bust. And they already had Mark Assault. Um, so. So I fought and fought and fought against this.

But make no mistake about this. And I will tell you with authority because Michael Hysley, God rest his soul, the former owner of the Grizzlies, I did know. Chris Wallace was not the guy that was going to stand up on a desk and say, we're not doing something, right? Because he just wanted to keep his job. I can say unequivocally. And you could probably find it if you Googled it. If you Googled Jerry West and Hashimtha B. I bet you could find it somewhere because there were articles written about it.

And Michael Heisley told me when I hammered him over it to his face, he said, Who do you think knows talent better than anyone? And I was like, I know who you think does. And he said, Jerry West, he was still, Jerry had left. He was still listening to Jerry. There is, I can tell you unequivocally, they took him because Jerry West told Michael Heisley that the beat was going to be a big time deal. Now, and Jerry's missed on big guys.

Obviously, he's known for his greatest hits, right? He loved, love, love Festus Azele. I remember once upon a time. But he told Heisly that the beat is the picket too. And nobody was going to stand up to the owner at that time. And so that's how that ended up happening. And there's no two ways about it. If you want, and look, I kick.

Chris Wallace around a ton. But Chris Wallace, his crime is he wasn't going to stand up on a table and say, don't do that, don't do that, don't do that. You know, the owner does, and I've learned over the years, the owner does what the owner wants to do, okay? And if you want to stand up to it, it might be your ass. And then the beat, obviously, was an unmitigated disaster, easily one of the worst picks in the history of the NBA.

draft. I have a quote here from you, Chris. Oh, quote. Tonight was absurd for this franchise to exercise the number two pick on Hashim the beat will go down as a critical error for a franchise that cannot afford to make one. You use the number two

pick on a guy that will compete for the center position with Markersoll. They won 24 freaking games. Tonight was an embarrassment. There is no spinning this. They had a chance to inspire people and be aggressive in building a real team call for tickets

888 busts wow Chris you were on fire that night June 25th 2009 you posted that on Chris Vernon.org spot dot com Kevin I was so mad I was so mad typing real hard

on the keys right hey I like that last line you know because their big thing they promote to get tickets it's 888 hoop so I changed it to 888 bust I'm proud of that. That's good.

That's good. Oh, yeah. And so now keep in mind, keep in mind, every week, every Wednesday, Chris Wallace was on the show with me, and I begged him to not take him every week. How about this? I still might have the audio somewhere. The day after the draft, the beat, DeMare-Core. Carol and Sam Young, all three come into studio with me, all three.

And I told the beat to his face, I begged them not to take you. I just, I said, I can't, I said, wow, really. I said, I can't fake it now. Like, Kashim, I'm going to be honest with you. I beg them not to take you. And there is nothing more than I would love for you to prove me wrong. but it is what it is like it's all going to be there on the internet

you're going to see it and he looked at me and he goes you're you're entitled to your opinion and I'm like oh my god we are dead we are dead

dead like Sam Young would have jumped across the table and punched me in the face same with DeMare Carol he was like you're entitled to your opinion they probably felt the same like you're really going to let this guy say that to you I know

not push back at all. I mean, he's the sweetest guy in the world. Of course. I mean, but he just. I mean, I don't want to say too nice

because there's a difference between the way you are on the court. The stage can activate something within you then you are off the court. However, I mean, there is such a thing as like for the center position

as tough as it is to being too nice. It's very possible. But anyways. By the way, I just have to say this. You saying that to his face is one. one of the reasons why I like you and why so many people like you.

You're honest. You can't help but just say how you feel. Well, Kevin. But like, well, you can't. Well, yeah, sure. I had an afternoon radio show. You could go back. I had people, we had a contest.

People created memes. Like I remember one of them was a, uh, uh, Slaw Dog Millionaire. And people redid like the movie poster for Slumdog Millionaire and put the beat on there. There was like, we had all these like memes and everything. Like I, I mean, look. I did see one on your blog that's like just say no to the beat. Like it was just like a nice looking advertising on Chris Wallace's face on there and Hashim's face on there.

It's like, wow. I mean, but like you, you easily could have and many people would do this. The next day they would be like, ah, we're so excited to have you. So excited. I couldn't get away from it. Even if it was. Yeah. I mean, the fact, that's what I'm saying, though.

Like you didn't. And that's why, like, whether someone agrees with you or disagrees with you, they got to know, like, you're just saying how you feel, like it or not. No, that's a true story, though. And it was crazy because, like, I mean, they, it was just a, it was a damn debacle. Really. True. I mean. From the, from the second you saw him, it was just, oh, I couldn't believe it. I just couldn't believe it. And, and then. obviously when I told him that and he was like you know you're entitled to your opinion I was like oh shit we are dead we're dead I don't understand this um but anyways yeah as I'm listening to that obviously I have like severe what they call PTSD or whatever when it comes to the 2009 draft I mean it's that traumatic, right? And so I'm listening to them discuss it and how absurd it was at the time and whatever else. And it was, truly. But like how that all took place. Sometimes,

whoever your owner trusts and listens to is who's going to get taken. Mm-hmm. You know? Yeah. End of story. And maybe Jerry West sabotaged them. Who knows? He might have. He might have. Yeah, I mean, that would be like a galaxy brain level maneuver to do that. Unbelievable. But like it's it's the type of thing where like with that draft, it also did show this is really to your point about the value of high picks. You mentioned like, you know, drafting a bust. This is a year it couldn't happen. And yet like you guys did still manage to find some success just a couple years later.

That's right. Despite that massive mistake. The Grizzlies that year do stand as an example of like how things can just turn on. That's it. It can just happen pretty quickly. And it's just about finding those right guys, however you find them. It's about like guys popping out of nowhere like Mark a soul becoming the player that he did. Mike Conley, despite how slow his development was, eventually figuring it out.

Well, and they covered it up. They covered it up. So they traded. So how about this? This is a crazy thing that happened. the guy that will have a statue out in front first above everybody will be Zach Randolph okay he's the most beloved

and he was the best player on those playoff teams okay the number one pick was the Clippers guess who the Clippers have Zach Randolph they're going to take Blake Griffin number one they trade Zach Randolph

to the Grizzly for literally nothing, Kevin. It was Quentin Richardson's expiring contract. And so the best player in Grizzly's history was because they got the number two pick in the draft. It's the craziest. I mean, you never know how this stuff's going to work out. You really don't.

For sure. But I was listening to that whole thing. And the Curry thing, but there were a couple of people within the Grizzlies that really loved Curry. Nobody loved Rubio because everybody believed Dan Fagan that he would not come. He would not come. And then there were Tyreek fans,

but, you know, it all sucks. I even listening to him back, I was like, oh, I lived this and it was a disaster. All right, let's get to the mailbag.

We got some good ones this week, Bobby. Yeah, so I'll just follow up on, on you talking about that low post with Bill. Eric writes in and asks, in Thursday's low post podcast, Bill Simmons mentions that Ricky Rubio was put on the worst team possible to start his career,

and that if things turned out differently, we might have a different and better Rubio today. I feel like every year there are guys thrown into great or horrible situations to maximize or minimize their talents, which guys from this last draft class are in the best and worst situations with their current teams.

Okay, this is easy for me, Kev. It's immediately. So, I like Zion, I love J.A. I also was high on R.J. Barrett. RJ is by far in the worst situation of those three. As was I. Yes.

By far. RJ, that is a... You're talking about the top guys. Oh, God. Imagine. They've lost their management and their coach. And they have, the roster itself isn't built with spacing to create the room for a guy who's a down, the downhill attacking player to get to the rim. There's no, there's no question.

He is in a much worse situation. than his peers. So that would stand out. Honestly, the top two picks are in amazing positions. Both Zion and Jha have both gone into great situations because of the young talent that can grow and surround them. Like, A, they are both counted on to be good, but they've also got good and young supporting cast.

They're set up great. You know who's in a perfect position? Who's that? but has failed to reach the levels that he should. Cam Reddish with the Atlanta Hawks. That's right. Cam, if you're looking at him, he has a point guard that creates everything at a really high level already.

He's on a team that plays with spacing, simplifies the game for him to do spot-up threes, attack closeouts, just make smart passes and grind on defense. Those far the offense hasn't clicked for him. The defense, he is like way better than people talk about because he's just a rookie. He's been good on that end. But on the offensive end of the floor, he had the horrific start of the season where he could not shoot the ball at all. And last month and a half or so of the year, he started to get better. And I do wonder if maybe he's just one of those guys that was a slow starter.

This could just be a blip, you know, a high for him. But he's in a perfect situation to develop, even if it has been rocky so far to start his career. And for this Hawks team, obviously we're not going to see them until like December. but as a guy who really liked camera artist in the draft, I still can't help but look at his situation there and think he's in the perfect situation to grow, even though it's been tough so far. The other one that jumped out to me immediately

when you asked the question, Bobby, was Hero. Tyler Hero's in a perfect situation. Perfect situation, right? Winning team. Just shoot and play hard. And he can be what he is, right? He's on a winning team, and he can do what he does.

He's one of those guys that if you, if you counted on him to be, you know, your leading scorer. Like, you're asking a guy to do too much and maybe he ends up, you know, maybe he does end up averaging a bunch of points, but they lose a million games. He gets to walk into a role that he's just going to keep getting better and better at. And he's already good at it. I mean, he's had a very good rookie year, very good. And he's going to be a hell of a shooter for a long time.

He's even kind of in the right city, you know? Yeah, like, kind of pissed his vibe where he's like, It's just in a kind of loud and flashy, but like still kind of, you know. That Barrett one is easier than hell, though. I mean, that is just not. That's just, I wouldn't wish that upon anyone. What, Joe, it just took place with them. Turning over coaches, turning over management, that's all just a bad deal.

And the guy is right, honestly, and they are right. I think Bill is 100% right about Rubio. It's a totally different career. Same, how about this? That same year? And everybody shits on them and he's remembered as a bust. But they took Johnny Flynn. Johnny Flynn had a fantastic rookie year.

And he had like a career altering hip injury that ruined him forever. But he walks in. He's playing in the triangle. He's a pick and roll guard. He's now playing in the triangle for Kurt Rambis and the team sucks. The system sucked. It was bad for him. And then he got a horrible,

horrible injury. That might have all turned out different for both of those guys, honestly, if they were somewhere else. Can I ask you guys a question about Cam Reddish and how you evaluate a guy like Cam Reddish and what is holding him back? Because to me, he has kind of Ben McLemore syndrome where everything that you see about him would lead you to believe that he would be a productive offensive player. His shot looks really good.

He has all the tools athletically. He has everything that you would need to be kind of like a spot up shooter or a 3-and-D guy. when you're evaluating a guy like that, Kevin with your draft guide and Chris when you're talking about someone that the Grizzlies might be interested in, how do you parse through what's real and what's fake with someone like that who is so aesthetically skilled and talented? I'm just telling you, on him, I mean, hell, I'll say it. What do I give? Why do I care? I was out, I was told that he came in during the NCAA tournament.

You go back and look at this. There's the second game. the second game they played, he sat out. Nobody an hour before the game even knew he was hurt. And he came in and he said, I can't go. And I said, to hell with him. Off the board. I'm not kidding.

Off the board. I'll tell you what. I've heard the same. I don't know if it's true, but I've heard the same from multiple people that I've talked to at the time when that happened and then the months afterwards leading up to the draft. And that is something that in my evaluation, it's hard to weigh intel in terms of how it's going to matter for a guy's development.

Like, Cam Reddish is, like, there's a great video of him with Zion and RJ Barrett when they were in high school, all committed to Duke. And Cam Renish barely says anything. He's just quiet, chuckles in the background. When he talks, he doesn't say much. He's just quiet. it. And you could look at that one of two ways. It could be like the Thabit type of way where like this guy just doesn't have it at all. Just there's nothing there in terms of work ethic or drive or will to just like kill on the court. Or you could look at it like, yeah, Cam Reddish is willing to be in the background.

And but he's still a pretty good player. And that's sort of the way I fell on with Cam Reddish in that like he had he's already a good defender in the NBA. check there. I feel good about that and projecting his defense. Offensively, I just looked at the flashes and I'm like, you know what? He right now is only going to be 20 years old as a rookie. The shot over time with like strength and conditioning and development, like I feel it's going to be at least good. And like at six, eight, six nine, a guy who can handle him like, he's at least going to be passable on offense like in terms of hitting spot up threes and make an okay place for you. And so I looked at it, the quietness and kind of like maybe the part you're touching on that we've both heard about with like him being maybe overcautious about injury or whatever. I don't know what the deal is exactly.

But like even if he's somebody who stays in the background sometime, that can be important in a winning context with the star players who are handling all the responsibility. I would tell you the same people that told me. That's really where I fell with Kim. The same people that told me that told me they just don't think he loves, loves basketball. Like some guys love basketball But how many Like I feel that's tough though Cause like I'm with you when like

You want a guy that loves basketball I'm gonna tell you this You want you if you if you hire someone who Who who loves to clean Like you know That person's happier in their job And it's gonna do a better job As when they're cleaning

That guy like it's true for anything But like who knows that Duke program well Told me Roll with Zion and roll with RJ Yeah but like yeah Of course over Zion or RJ. He reminds me so much.

You don't have to love basketball to be good at basketball, though. I had a guy. There's tons of guys. There's tons of guys who have been in the league. To end up fulfilling your potential. I don't want to say any names like here, but like I talked to a player recently who's like, there's just a ton of guys in this league who don't love basketball. I'm saying.

In passing about. There's nobody in passing about a. Nobody great doesn't love basketball. No, nobody great. You're right. Oh, yes, you're right. But I wasn't. I wasn't.

Yeah. Okay. We're on the same page then. Okay, you know who we remind you? Nobody great doesn't love basketball, but with Cam, like, I wasn't drafting him to be great. I'm drafting Cam Radish because I feel good about him being a good role player. And because of the flashes, maybe it clicks for him. Because with some guys, it's so freaking random, like with who becomes stars.

There is. With Cam, I'm like, he's shown enough flashes that I'm going to, I think he's going to be solid. Maybe he'll be great. Maybe he's not. I'm not drafting him to be great. And that's why with the personality aspects, I guess I turn down the, level of importance forward in my mind. That's fair.

And we'll see. There is a, there's a term for this. The first team I ever covered had a player, Stroh Miles Swift. Strow Miles Swift could have been one of the greatest players in NBA history, right? Like athleticism, shot everything, right? And they called it strotential, right? If you had strotential. And Cam Reddish reminds me of that.

Like you look at the guy and you go, you. you see Rudy Gay, you see Jeff Green, you see Stroh Miles Swift, you see Cam Reddish. Like, and these guys, God, if they had that, if you could somehow put Jimmy Butler's tenacity into them, God, their athletic gifts are just unbelievable. But something's not there that makes them unbelievable, you know? And so they forever frustrate you. And it's the type of thing where like maybe Cam Rudish is that next Jeff Green type where Jeff Green's been in the league for 11 years, came back from open heart surgery and is still played for multiple teams since then.

But you still watch Jeff Green and it's like, man, he could be so much better than he is. And maybe Cam will always be that guy because he's going to have games where he shines. I think Cam will be better than Jeff Green because Jeff Green's inconsistent on defense. Cam's already been steady as a rookie. but like he could be that next Jeff Green that is exactly the guy you're talking about and allow me to say this. I've had a bunch of these guys that are like that

Rudy Gay, Jeff Green, Stroh Miles, all these guys. Guess what they all are. They're all awesome guys. You know what I mean? Like they're all the kind of guys that like if you went up and talked to him, you'd love these guys. They're all good guys. And so there's part of the you know, the tradeoff, right?

some of these guys that are the most tenacious, guess what? They're raging dickheads to deal with. You know what I mean? And so it's like, I'm almost willing to forgive sometimes your lack of tenacity when I know you're such a good guy. I wish you wanted to rip somebody's face off, but I kind of get that you're a nice guy. And that's why you don't, you know, like you're not wired that way. Yeah, it's the type of thing where, like, you'd drop. rather him be a nice guy and be a killer on the court.

Because there's both of them, too. There's those guys that exist as well. For sure. That's the number one player personality you look for. That's a good question, though. All right. What you got, Bobby? Yeah, it is.

Okay. All right, it's time for Kevin pronunciation corner. This comes from Sam. Oh, goodness. Hey, guys, love the show. I hate to harp on Kevin's pronunciations, but I notice he pronounces the words minimum and maximum as a minimum and maximum. The reason this is especially interesting

is the syllable he is mispronouncing is supposed to be mum, which is exactly the way he pronounces mom. So it's pretty fascinating that he says mum when he's not supposed to, but avoids it when he is supposed to say it. Anyway, I hope Kevin knows that the focus on his odd

pronunciations are all in good fun and love. All right, Kevin, let's hear it. Let's do a little fill in the blank here, Kevin. All right. So if you are drafted in the second round, you might get the rookie blank. Minim. Minim. That's the way I say the word. Minim. And I realize now, minimum. I realize now, maximum. Yeah. I realize now, I think sometimes I say maximum, but I don't know. Maybe I always say minimum. But minimum. Minimum? I think I always say

maximum and minimum. Maximum and mininum. I put an end in there. And so this advice from Sam, and I believe there are a few others that offered this wonderful, just perfect advice. I'm going to, from moving forward, try to think, as you mentioned, minimum, minimum, minimum.

No, maximum. Do like me, Kevin? Minimum. Stand up for yourself. Maximum. No, no, because. Darryle Morey. You've been doing it for 15 years.

And you realize it. I am just realizing that. So I'm not going to, I'm going to go for change here, I have corrected myself with other words, such as advantageous. I used to say advantageous. Ryan's Dorf.

Well, yeah, Ryan's door. Risenorff. Yeah, Ryzenorf, exactly. I will, now I just. You should go for, join me. Join me, Chris. Go with Moore. There are only the two.

It's Darryl Morey and Pat Kinnaten. I'm going to keep saying those the same way forever. Pat Kinnat. Pat Knottenot. Yeah. Yeah.

That's great. Just upset people. What's next, Bobby? Okay, this next question comes from Jamie. Well, enjoying dinner with friends one evening at a restaurant in the French quarter in Memphis, I noticed a po-boy sandwich called the Verno. There's no French corner. Come on.

That's in New Orleans. That's what it says. All right. When the delightful bartender who was serving us came to take our order, I asked, is this named after Chris Vernon? The bartender replied, why, yes, it is. Would you like to hear the story? and proceeded to tell our table a story of why Chris Vernon has a sandwich named after him.

Would Chris care to share on the pod why he has a delicious New Orleans-style sandwich named after him? I do. So one of my good friends is one of the best chefs in America. His name is Kelly English, and he has two restaurants in Memphis. And one of them is called the second line, which is 100% New Orleans-style. When he opened that restaurant, he was putting together all the same. sandwiches and the I am a Dallas Cowboys fan. He is a New Orleans Saints fan.

And the Saints played the Cowboys and he came on the show I was doing at the time and said, okay, if the Cowboys win, I will name a sandwich after you. If they don't, you have to say, you have to say who that going into every single break of your show. just for one show yeah for on Monday said all right um I regret to tell you

the saints kicked the shit out of the cowboys I had to go on the air and do the hoodat thing I lived up to my end of the bed and he called in and said I'm naming the sandwich

after you anyway thus the but thus the verno which is it's a it's one of the best sandwiches in America I'll put it up against it

It's it is a po-boy sandwich. He gets the bread overnighted from New Orleans every day as to make it authentic po-boys. And it is brazed chicken thigh and Swiss with like lettuce, tomato and mayonnaise, I believe. And then he's got the sides. But, I mean, you could look him up. His name's Kelly English. He's one of the best chefs in America. And I could not be more honored to have a to have a sandwich at his place.

Where can we get the sandwich, Chris? It's at the second line, but actually because, this is kind of sad. I'll go into this. So he has been affected like everybody else by everything that has happened over the course of the last couple of months. He owns another restaurant, which is an amazing deli, Fino's. He has the best high class restaurant in town called Restaurant Iris. He has the second line, which is.

like a New Orleans style, more casual place, right? He is ending up, after all this is said and done, he's going to combine those two. Then he owns another deli, which has been a Memphis staple for 100 years, called Fino's, and he moved the Verno over to Fino's last week, actually. So Fino's would be the place

if you ever come through Memphis to go to, to try it. But I couldn't be more proud. Yeah, I do have a sandwich named after me. Sure enough. That's awesome. That's career goals right there. It really is. I know.

Kevin, if you get a sandwich named after you in L.A., Kev, it's got to be called the mum or something. The minimum. Yeah, yeah. The minimum. Served it spoon by H. Spoon by H.

That's the number one spot. That's the first place I'm going to order from whenever I'm back in L.A. Or if it's like you can go back, then maybe I'll go there. Okay, let's power through two or three more and then get out of here. Okay, so this one comes from Gabe. with NBA players expressing concerns over a continued season overshadowing protests, I was wondering if the players have enough

leverage to require NBA owners, partners, and sponsors to donate a certain percentage of their revenue to organizations fighting systemic racism. Do you think players would be much more comfortable resuming the season if all parties that stand to profit from finishing the season are collectively, quote, not with the

systemic racism and the bullshit in the words of Kyrie Irving? It's a good question. Yeah, okay, so this is easy for me. A, yes, they have the power. B, I believe it will end up happening. I think you will see the NBA has never shown a reluctance to partner with its players. And in fact, they have, I think in many cases, and we've discussed the other sports earlier.

I think that they want to. And I think that when they explained, if, you know, Kevin was talking about reading the document, I don't think there's any mistake that it's one of the first things mentioned. We are basically, I'm paraphrasing, we are on your side. We want to use our platform also for the things that you want our platform to be used for. And so I think they do want, I think they've gone out of their way and they've shown they've gone out of their way for the players to have a level of comfortability with that. and I think that you will see big donations,

and I think you will see the NBA get very involved. I don't think that this is one of those where, hey, all right, we got them to show up and we can finish our season, so now you're off on your own. I think the NBA is very serious about getting involved in this, and I trust Adam Silver and that leadership and the teams. I will tell you the NBA organizations are, as far as I know, they're all shut down tomorrow. The same way, or Friday, as it were, as we record this on a Thursday night for Juneteenth.

And so I think that you are going to see plans come together and teams doing things within their own locales, but also using this platform that they're going to have when they return to basketball to, to get the message out that the players care deeply about getting out. You mentioned in passing there that the NBA on the first page mentions that they're going to back and push for these social causes. 100% true right there on page one. Quote, a central goal of our season restart will be to utilize the NBA's platform to bring attention and sustained action to issues of social injustice, including combating systematic racism, systemic racism, expanding educational and economic. I'm like your two opportunities across the black community, enacting meaningful police and

criminal justice reform and promoting greater civic engagement. It goes on after that. But it's right there on page one. Page one. That's a big part of the NBA's mission. And if it's Adam Silver and the league offices plan to do that, owners are going to have to join in there too. There's just no way you can't.

I mean, it's something that it could be really powerful when basketball comes back. And I do think the players have the leverage. answer your question, because the league's there with them, as is a whole lot of people across the world. Okay, two more guys. This one's from Nolan. If you each had to pick three teams with the brightest futures for the 2020s decades, who are you choosing? Here we go, Nolan trying to set Kevin up for another bright future sons 2.0. Pelicans, grizzlies. Yep, number one and two, no doubt about it. And I would say, he's like 22 he's like 23 isn't he even though even though the contract's coming out i was just

read it the other yes i think he's the kind of guy that will i think he's more like dirk i could see yonis stay in and playing over a decade there but what if it's only four more years then he leaves and then the back end of the decade they don't call it like if we're talking the whole decade then that's a shitty future yeah well i mean it's got it's good but then it's got to but maybe they win a championship during that time too. How does that count versus like 10 years of like becoming a good team? I don't know. Like Memphis and Memphis and New Orleans having two great rookies on their rookie deals, the first year of the rookie deals, they're easy in there. That third team's not clear. It's

really not. Dallas. People and people say, you know, oh, well, those guys. Those guys will leave, but usually get somebody for eight years. I mean, you really got to F it up, which New Orleans did with Davis. But who hasn't, who is awesome that's only played their rookie contract somewhere? Like Porzing is forced his way out. That's the only one I can think of.

Is there anybody else? I mean, like to where, to where he went, I mean, as Bobby mentioned right there, Dallas, Dallas is the team. Yep. Uh, likely third.

Um, with Porzengis, you have the injury concerns. And if he gets hurt, like he has the massive contract that's taken up space. But ultimately, like, you're probably going with Dallas considering Luke is already a top five or six player in the NBA in just the second season. But I think there's a few teams

that you might put in that conversation only because the poor Zingis X factor but that X factor is also what makes them so appealing too, obviously. But you could see, you could see like Janus is the best player that I would

think, this is actually a good question. We've never discussed. the best player that we think is going to be on their team in five years. I would bet him obviously over LeBron. I'd bet him over Hardin. I'd bet him over. Who else are we considering the best Kauai? I'd bet him over Kauai.

Like, it's probably Davis. Katie at 100% too. But yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm with you. I'd bet on Yannis. Amongst those that are very, very highly ranked players in the league, I think he's probably the most likely of those to be on his team in five years. I can't project out 10 years.

So if you're talking about bright future, like I'm talking about the next five, six years. Everything changes so rapidly as we know. There's so much roster turnover. It's almost hard to predict like the back end of the decade. You can only look at mostly just the guys who are on deals right now or are near signing an extension. and you know, I would think we would, we agree Memphis and New Orleans 100%. That third team, Dallas would be my choice, even though you could argue teams like Milwaukee, you know, could belong in that conversation too.

Or some teams that have young players still on rookie deals or new deals like Sixers or Celtics, teams like that too. I just say them because usually players want to leave because they don't win. That is not going to be the case with the honest. They win like hell. I mean like they're they are winning big you know I understand if Anthony Davis wants out he's you know been in the playoffs once it's ridiculous and by the way one other team that could be in there that we didn't mention yet the Golden State Warriors if they hit on their pick this year regardless of where it lands in the lottery and if that guy looks has the makings of being a good

player or a great player it doesn't matter if that guy looks good a quality young rookie you factor in there they're going to be a contending team the next couple of years still with Steph and Clay and Traymond and then they have other guys coming after that that are young they belong in that conversation. Just gotta get rid of Wiggins. All right, Bobby, what's the last one?

Okay, this is a creative question from Trey that we've had on the dock for a while here but haven't gotten around to. So we'll close on it today. If you could put any two teams from NBA history against each other, which would they be and who do you think would win? Some team from the 60s,

the 60 Celtics versus, you know, the 16 warriors. I mean, let's just see it. Let's see these vastly different eras of basketball. And just watch it happen. Maybe it's a slaughter against the 60 Celtics team. But what if, like, Bill Russell actually does way better than you'd expect, despite the decades of separation? It would just be fascinating to actually put a really, really old team

against a contemporary superstar team that on paper would just white. the floor. I would go farther up and I would say the, the teams that, those 80s teams, I mean, I had an awareness of those. The first teams I really had an awareness of,

like the Showtime Lakers, Larry Bird Celtics, like those, those, those kind of teams versus modern teams. Because I think there is a real argument. That would be more competitive for sure. That's what I mean.

I think there, I watch those 60s, videos and I say, look, I don't think that they should be, I think there are certainly players that could transcend era. I also think that you should be gauged upon how you played versus your era. I also think that Bob Cousie dribbling around with one hand is outrageous compared. I mean, come on. Let's get serious. Okay. The players are better now. But I don't know if they're and there's so much more athletic. But are they? than Magic and Kareem and Michael Cooper and Byron Scott and, you know, Showtime flying up and down the court.

James Worthy, you're going to tell me that he couldn't, like, I mean, let's get serious now. Yeah. Like Showtime Lakers versus one of those Warriors teams or somebody like that, that is what I would love to see. Because I think there's a break in the eras where it did change. to where I feel like there's not, I think it's totally possible that there's not a massive difference between the athleticism of guys in those mid-80s teams

versus guys now. Whereas when I look back at the 60s, come on, are you kidding me? Yeah, you know, I'm right there. I'm right there with you. And I think the biggest difference now between those 80s players you're mentioning and the players today is simply style.

Yeah. The game has evolved. It is more analytics based than that, you know, naturally would give these teams an advantage. Like if you're plugging the 80s Celtics or 80s Lakers into a game against the Warriors teams or, you know, the calves with LeBron, you know, heat with LeBron, whoever it might be, they're going to see all these three porters and be like, what the heck is going on? What are you doing? And then Mikhail's going to be, you know, single covered on the post. because he has no shooters the past two.

And it's the type of thing where it would just be fascinating to see the strategic differences and how it would work with those two drastically different types of teams playing. The closest thing we have to it today is the Spurs, you know, feeding Lamarcus Aldridge as much as they do. That's the closest thing we get. But even then the Spurs would have led the NBA in the 80s and the 90s or even just 10 years ago in 3-point percentage rate. and it's a big difference

with style not with athleticism and even with some guys in the 60s like you watch that video of Bill Russell jumping over a guy from foot inside the free throw line and you know it's an incredible layup and just how fast he was going up and down the floor of the athleticism

he could play today I don't know if he'd be like an all time great player but he could play today but the other four but the other four but style doesn't the other four guys wouldn't Bill Russell Bill Russell individually would but like

almost everybody else on the court wouldn't The other four guys look like me and you. Yeah. Didn't need to shoot threes then, so I would have been, I would have been okay. You guys are missing the easy answer. The lowest hanging possible fruit here is either 93 bulls versus 13 heat or 96 bulls versus 2016 calves. Like that, because that, then you settle the LeBron Jordan debate if they get to play each other.

Yeah. Does one game settle a debate? Oh, I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's one. game. Maybe it's the best of seven series. This isn't the game of zones battle in the LeBron and one of the last episodes.

I feel like I know who would win that. They did that really well. I just watched the last day. That's come on. I know who wins that. We'll see. I mean, there's one guy there every time. Who's LeBron's teammates on those teams compared to Jordans? But that's a different discussion for a different thing. I don't know. You tell me.

I mean, I saw Luke Longley in the game. Do you see Luke Longley put for the cabs? You saw Birdman in 2013, though. Birdman. Yeah, Birdman. Yeah, it's a bird man. All right. Thanks, Bobby.

Hey, thanks, Bobby. As always, thanks, Kim. Oh, we're done. Oh, that's it. We're done. Oh, I'm not talking to you anymore. I'm done with you. Okay.

All right. No more questions. You know what we got to do soon, Chris? We got to do like an Instagram live to answer extra questions. All right. That's what we got to do sometime. All right. That's what we'd be cool.

Let's schedule that. We'll do that sometime. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll schedule it out. Bobby, thanks as always. Kevin, I will talk to you on Tuesday. Everybody have a wonderful and safe weekend, and we will talk to you on Tuesday.