The Ringer NBA Show - Would Austin Ever Coach in the NBA? Plus, the Warriors’ Future and All-NBA Team Reactions | Off Guard

Episode Date: May 12, 2023

Austin and Pausha are back to discuss JJ Redick’s head coach interview with the Raptors, the workload that it takes to be a coach, and if Austin would ever consider being a coach or executive (10:35). Then, they talk about Philly and Boston’s title chances, a potential Warriors’ break up, and the importance of depth in the playoffs (29:11). Later, they react to the All-NBA and All-Defensive teams, how it impacts Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown’s possible contract extensions, and why these selections shouldn’t have any financial impact for players (48:04). Hosts: Austin Rivers and Pausha Haghighi Producer: Ben Cruz and Eduardo Ocampo Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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So you don't miss an episode. We'll talk to you then. What's up, everybody? Welcome to another episode of Offguard. I'm your host, Tasha, and I am sitting inside Austin's office right now. There's an insane mural behind him. It's really cool, actually.

Yeah, yeah. It's a little me. It's a little, you know, it's a lot. Tell me about this. I got it as a gift for my birthday. So it was one of those things that was obviously for my fiance. She did this which was a surprise to me. It was extremely special.

She kind of went through my journey of where I've been. Obviously I've been to Denver, Minnesota since then, but, you know, just kind of the gist of my journey in the NBA. So I don't know. I like it. It is a lot. You kind of come to office. No. Six U's on the wall.

But it's really cool. I fuck with it. I don't think I could ever be the guy that has like a picture of me like around. But that's why you're you and I'm me, right? Like, I don't think I can pull that off. Well, it's not like I wouldn't get this made. No, it's a good idea. Imagine me, like, asking someone to paint pictures of myself to put up in the house.

What would you think is one of the people that have themselves on the background of their phone, but just themselves, like a regular pick, do you have that? Are you your own background? No, my kids are. But have you ever done that before? I feel like it wouldn't be that big of basketball. I've done a photo. I've done a photo of myself.

You know, and when I was young and, like, super tacky. Like if I went out somewhere. Yeah, I don't think it's that. I'm not trashing anyone that does it. I actually envy people like that. I am not the person I could do that. Sunday, I went to the F1 race in Miami, by the way. And it was.

How was it? Like the coolest thing. I'm a huge F1 fan, and it was insane. No, I'm going to stop you there. When you say you're a huge Formula One fan. Are we Netflix Formula One fan? Or are we Formula One fan before Netflix show? because I'm almost positive before that Netflix show,

you know not a goddamn thing about Formula One. You caught me. Can I ask why everyone keeps saying it? It's the huge part for me, because that's what everyone does. It's funny. I'm just a huge Formula One fan. I'm like, brother. I think when you're, you know, you start getting a little older.

I thought we always talk about you being old. But whenever you get a little older, it's cool to get into new things. Because, you know, for most of your life, you're into the same stuff. Like, I've always loved basketball, just like you and things like that. When you find something new, it's like this whole new world that you're uncovering. So the Netflix show did bring me Formula One. And then you obviously do your own deep dive and you watch the races. But seeing the cars in person, they just go so fast and what goes into it and the crowd that's there and the excitement.

It was really cool for sure. I am jealous that you got to go to that. I also, too, am a huge promo. No, no, I followed Formula One very, very, very loosely. I cannot call myself a fan. And then the Netflix show, yeah, it did. It opened my eyes to the whole sport. You got to know the athletes a little bit more.

You got to have a little bit more higher respect for the job. Just understand that it's not just them getting into the car, the speeds that they go at the training, how cut the business is, the drama behind it, the politics, you kind of fall in love with it. I know the show dramatizes it a lot and they make it a little bit more, whatever. But still, it's very entertaining.

Netflix does a good job with that, as well as they do with full swing, the golf. They're doing the same series with golfers, which is really interesting too. You've been watching that? I've watched the golf one, yeah. Yeah, there's a, I haven't seen that one. There's a tennis one.

It's called Breakpoint. Oh, I didn't know it. I actually do. I'm a tennis fan before the Netflix. You are a huge tennis fan. That's legitimate. I know that. Always been a tennis fan.

I know that to be true about you. You definitely love your tennis. Yeah, so that one's really cool, too. I got to check out the golf one. Why wouldn't they do? Can they do it an NBA one? They have it with NFL. It's hard knocks.

Yeah. The NBA doesn't have anything. Remember, like, remember the Summer League show that they used to have, But it was so, like, they just really were on the sidelines. Like, actually, they had the association with your dad. They had the Celtics one year. Oh, they did. You're right.

That was really cool. Yeah. Yeah. But it wasn't in modern day time, like technology. It wasn't like a Netflix thing. No, no. Now they know how to dramatize everything. Streaming.

They make it more like of a show. Like, they did it. If they pick a good team in the NBA each year or how they're doing it with these guys, just kind of following the players more so. Right. Taking like, you know, the season, this is the 20 players we have. It just. It's just tough because you'd want to see, like, for example, like a team with, you know, either LeBron and stuff.

I don't know how much LeBron would be in the documentary because you're such a brand now. But I think they're so fans of that. I guarantee you, I guarantee you LeBron James and Steph Curry have watched either the Formula One or a full swing or the breaking point. No, for sure. Oh, so you think they would definitely want to do it. And they definitely seen Hard Knocks. Yeah. They've definitely watched Hard Knocks because LeBron's like an, you know, emphatic football fan, right?

For sure. So I would imagine, I can't speak for Steph. I can't speak for either of them. neither one but i i i would say that they'd probably be into doing it yeah that would that would be really cool i'm 100% watch that yeah and the NBA needs to do something like that we need to put that together we should probably try to do that that would be awesome that what about uh i wanted to ask you so jared vanderbilt he got caught putting taking back clothes that he wore to a game have you seen that no i have not i guess some guy i guess that owns a clothing store

someone called him out basically saying he took pictures for this game a playoff game and then he return it the next day. Yeah. Have you ever done that? Absolutely fucking not. So you're saying that's like, a lot of people are coming, getting his back saying,

that's because a lot of people are coming to the side of him being frugal with his money probably. Understanding the stuff that he wears is extremely loud. So it's something that you can only wear once. He's not wearing a white tea and jeans,

guys. The guy's coming with a fur, a fur vest on and leather pants in a bucket hat made out of whatever, man. You know, that's his style. He does his thing. A lot of them are pieces that are so unique that I don't really think it's that crazy

for him to take him back. If he was wearing like a normal, like, you know, if he dressed more like myself or a Jeff Green, a Michael Connolly, a Devon Bucker, guys who do a little bit more cleaner and like that type style versus like the more, I don't know, he's like more like pop stars, rock star-ish, you know, has his own vibe.

A lot of those things aren't really pieces. You know what I mean? Right. Like, are you supposed to keep the butt, the fur coat of the fur hat or the fur jacket? Are you going to wear it again? It's like, I think, I think, I think it would be. I think argument would be, so as a, as a, you know, obviously, a normal person. Have I ever taken anything back?

Absolutely. I think what people would assume is that Jared Vanderbilt would just eat that cost and just keep it. You don't want to get money back. That's where I think you, what you just alluded to in terms of people having us back, That's what people have his back. I don't totally have his back. I think he's more relatable that way. Him wearing a nice outfit and bringing it back the following day

makes him extremely relatable to your average person who maybe has done this before, women who go out there and buy a pretty dress and leave the tag on and buy. This is a normal thing that people do. If you don't want to eat the cost and want to enjoy the outfit for a night, that's fine. Listen, it's no different than half of these 90% of these rappers

who have music shoot videos and videos that they shoot and they borrow ice and watches. I think I have Cusma recently I don't know if it's true or not but he had like a Tiffany Paddock Philippe which is like a $3 million watch and then I heard that he said he had borrowed it

I don't know if that's true it might be his watch he can afford it but I'm just saying I didn't have $3 million watch he like borrowed it in war and people were like some people were like on the fence about it but it's like it's not a big deal he just borrowed a fire watch for the day it's like maybe he doesn't want to spend

$3 million on a watch I think the same thing at a lower level with when it pertains to Jared and his clothes Maybe he didn't want to eat, you know, he probably, probably was a $10,000 outfit he had on. He probably doesn't want to pay that. Yeah, maybe, or there's another side to it where what if he told either his girl, I don't know if he has a girl, one of his boys, he's like, I don't really even like it. And they're like, you know what? I'll take it back for you.

Don't worry about it. As a favor, they did it. And then they got called out too. Like, what if it wasn't even him, like. Well, there's no way he's taking back his girl's outfits. That was his clothes. No, no. What I mean is like they did it for him as a favor.

Like, oh, you didn't like that. I'll just take it back for you. And then they took it back. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That could be true. Yeah. But I feel like this has this been a consistent thing or just a one-time thing? No, it's the one-time thing.

Oh, man, come on, bro. There's so many times I've worn it. Then in that case, yes, I have done this. I have done this. Have I worn something out and been like, you know what? I really don't really like this. Right. This is something I don't want to spend this one.

And took it back? Absolutely. You don't have to eat it just because you can afford it. Okay. So you are getting his back. I am. When you first said that, I thought, like, that's kind of tacky. on some like faking fraudulent shit.

Like, yo, this is what I wear. These are the watches I wear. If you're like borrowing, I think guys like that are super tacky. I think guys that fake to do something that they can. I think it's tacky to me. That's my opinion. This doesn't seem like that. This seems more like something like, I'm not really fucking with this fit.

I'm going to bring it back. What if, yeah. And also, I would not want to shop at the place he got it from now. Like, that guy calling people out. I'd be like a little weird about shopping there now. Oh, is a person that worked at the store? I think so I'm not 100% sure. Oh, that's tacky.

I just definitely wanted to bring it up to you to see if you are taking anything back. I have a pair of pants right now that I want to take back. I think it's okay to take clothes back. I think when it comes to clothes back, I think it's okay to take anything back. If you don't like it and if you're able to return something after enjoying it for a certain amount of time, and if it costs a lot or cost whatever it is, that's different for everybody, whatever your price is. If you want to return it, you can return it. I don't think it's a problem.

I don't like the guys who do it consistently and are pretending to be something they're not. Yeah. That's tacky and corning. Which guys do, by the way. Yeah. But if this is just like a one-time thing, and if some clothes or something like that, like, bro, yeah, that's people need a stop trip. That's funny, though.

That's funny. Someone called him out of that. Yeah, he was just getting caught out. That's tough go for him on Twitter. But I saw that your ex-teamate is in the running for the Raptors, had coaching job, J.J. Reddick. What were your thoughts on that when you saw that? It's insane. And it got in a good way?

Yeah, I think it's great. Yeah. Sorry, insane when I made a portrait. No, insane is could be both. I guess you agree. It's a controversial one due to... Well, it reminds me with Steve Nash, and people say he's never coached before.

Yeah, that's what this would remind you of. But that doesn't make the decision wrong. JJ could end up being an amazing head coach. You know, he does have a great mind for the game. He's well-spoken. He's a guy that people have publicly heard talk basketball for the past, however many years he's been retired, what's been three-four?

and he's done a great job with it. So I think people are so familiar with him saying good stuff that they're like, man, this guy knows basketball, he knows what he's talking about. He played it at the highest level. He was a great college player, great NBA player, good NBA player. Because great, great was great's like, very solid. I'm a great player in hindsight. I'm one of the best players in the world.

I'm in the NBA. I'm not a great NBA player. Okay. I'm a good NBA player. I'm a good role player. That's me. You know what I'm saying? Great would have to be like what you know kish is great.

Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I don't want to say, I don't want people thinking I'm being disrespectful here, but there are, there is levels at every level. Um, good career, well spoken. He knows the game.

With how young the NBA is, he's still out of touch with, with these guys. So the age really is in an issue. I also like young coach hires. Some of these guys are crushing it in the NBA. Oh, the guy will, is it will Hardy from. Yeah, because there's also a factor of being relatable still. So even though he is out of touch and turn. of like he's 30 bro what is he almost 37 36 38 jay jay's got to be 38 okay so if he's 37 38

whatever he's just old enough to where most of the team in today's NBA is going to be in their mid 20s he's already had a touch in terms of like it being weird him coaching cares that he played with like the darman ham situation with abroad yeah um but a toronto is a very young team so you wouldn't have that issue it's not like the sons are trying to hire j jratt it's an up-and-coming team they're clearly trying to rebuild their whole thing what they got going on. Also, like teams doing something out of the box, right? Something completely different. Yeah.

Why do we have to keep circulating? It's the same guys. It's the same guys who I feel. And I don't even want to get on that, but I've already seen a couple guys' names that have like, could possibly get jobs places. And it's like kind of, I don't want to say, it's just like they've gotten three or four already that have been worked out.

What makes you think they're capable of doing it this one? I don't understand that. I would much rather have someone like JJ get a shot at it. There's young coaches crushing it. in football, college basketball, the NBA, you've seen it all over. Some of the greatest teams in the NBA right now are being coached in sports in general between football and basketball by young coaches. Joe Missoula is younger than a helper.

Who's the guy for the Rams? Oh, yeah. Shawme Bay. Yeah, there you go. There's tons of young. Stut, absolute stuff. Yeah, there's tons of young, bright, like, coaches, guys in the NBA, guys in football, guys right out of the sport.

And I understand Sean McVeyn and playing the NFL. You say young coach still. There's a lot of good young hires. I have no problem with JJ. I think it's, I hope this is a trend to where we don't have to keep recycling the same 20 coaches 40 times. You know what I mean? Like there are,

and I'm saying there are some coaches that like are dessert. Like Mark Jackson is an excellent coach has proven that I'm sure it would love an offer somewhere else. Probably is deserving of one. Definitely is deserving of one. You know, the Stan Van Gunnies, the Jeff Van Gunnies. These guys are all incredible coaches. So their name should always be like in that circulation of coaches. But there are some guys I have seen recently that I just like, it kind of blows my mind.

But the flip side of that being, there's guys out there that have been assistance for years, worked the way up the ladder, and they're seeing this and they're like they're basically saying. And that's the other side. Yeah. And that's the other side of this is guys who have paid their dues, a Sam Casale. Yeah. Sam Casale is definitely a guy who I know from experience could be a head coach. He's, there's a reason why my, my father takes him everywhere he goes.

You know what I mean? And he's one of the head assistant guys there. It's because, you know, Sam has an impact on culture. He's an impact on basketball. He's great with player relations. He knows the game. He played the game at the high level. He was an all-star.

His won championships. Sam's pedigree and work pedigree lines up with him being a head coach. And he's done it. He's done the rat race of the assistant coaching gig for a long time. And he won a title with the Rockets as a rookie. He's seen it all. He's seen in everything. To a title with the Celtics.

Right. As a vet. I mean, he's been through everything. The full circle of life in NBA. Everything. All start with the Clippers, played with Ray and the Bucks, took his playoff teams in Minnesota with KG, big ticket. This guy's had some of the best teammates you could possibly have.

He definitely is head coach material, man. So you could understand, and again, he hasn't said anything out loud or publicly, but I'm just saying on a slight, like, you could understand someone like that could be frustrated with someone like JJ who's been out of, basketball now for three or four years. Right.

And just is getting opportunities like that. Yeah. It goes 50-50. I personally, I'm happy for JJ. I think it's great that young guys are getting looks. I want more young coaches in the NBA. You know, I don't think it should be a young thing or an old thing or an experienced thing or lack of experience thing.

I think it should be who's going to do the best job thing. Right. Every organization is a different fit. It's a, every organization has different players, different set up. Like we said, Steve Nash could have been a good fit somewhere else. And not with that. Listen, everyone thought, and this is, we all can say this, Jason Kidd with the Bucks, people thought, you know what,

this is it might be his thing, blah, blah, blah, blah. He goes to Dallas. And then after the conference finals last year, everybody was singing his praises. Culture setter. Culture setter. You know, Jason Kidd is going to bring the best out of Luka. You know what I mean?

So that's, narratives always change with that stuff. But I truly believe about Coach Bud. His narrative changed from, he went from, couldn't coach, won the title to, genius losing now fired the whole arc of him it's crazy yeah that that is a one of those things where you know you feel for just because literally a couple years ago you're on top of the world right um the best record in the NBA this year but mostly all year best record in the NBA well I don't agree with the the budfire so that's just I mean that that's why it sounds ridiculous that I don't

think anybody agreed to the butfire yeah did he make a couple mistakes that we saw in the playoffs The no timeout call was huge. Maybe a couple other reads, a couple of the drops, the Jimmy Butler Lobb play, how no one tall was. That was crazy. How no one tall was at the rim is beyond me. But mistakes happen. Nonetheless, but it's proven over the past, however many years, been a head coach, even Atlanta, they had star. I mean, they had some unbelievable teams in Atlanta that he built.

He's a Popovich product. I don't think you should have been fired. really don't. They had the best wreck in the NBA this year and they lost. Yannis missed a couple games. Wasn't healthy. That's what everyone's going to forget is that Yonis missed half the series. Chris, Chris, bro, like honestly, even though he was, that's not the Chris that they had a couple years ago. Right. Like, he wasn't even his full self yet. He really wasn't. Go watch the games. Like, Chris was a shell of himself. That was not Chris Middleton the finals years they run. This guy's given 20 pieces every night, 25 pieces every night. He still wasn't even physically or like where he

wanted to be in terms of health. And then their best player wasn't healthy. He missed two and a half games. He missed two and a half games with the goddamn playoffs that might have an impact on you losing first round. So it's just like, and then Jimmy's playing out of his mind. But everything that could have went wrong in that series went wrong. There's always a scapegoat, unfortunately in the NBA,

and a lot of times it usually ends up being the coaches. You know, usually don't blame the guy who's making $30, $40, $50 million, this or that. And they can't blame it in this case because it's honest and he's arguably the best player in the NBA. And he was hurt. So Bud has to be that guy that they blamed. I just think they should have just ate it and came back next year.

Maybe they get some new personality. around a couple new acquisitions in terms of, you know, complimentary players to Janus and Drew. You still have that nucleus there. You got the Brooks there. Chris is healthier next year. Has a whole summer of rehabbing and getting his body actually right towards full self. And then you go get some better role players, man.

Some other, some other better role players. That's what you do. You already have the nucleus. It makes you question and wonder how close Janus was with Bud. Because if they were close. They have to run it by Janus. It has to be run by him. There's no way you fire Bud without.

talking to Yannis first. Absolutely. So that's like the question there. So that's interesting. So my next question is, are you surprised that JJ even interviewed for the job? Because he's doing so well on TV and he just got into the, he's becoming bigger on his piano as of late. I think you do it just to make sure you let everybody know you, you have that interest. It's like when they offered Chauncey that job first when he just got out of basketball and he was doing broadcasting. I think it might have been Cleveland. Cleveland, yeah. And this is before they had everything going. I'm sure in hindsight now, you probably would have took that job considering what they are become. But at the time, he's just like, no, but he did the interview and then he backed

off. You know what I mean? It's, you kind of, you, people know that you're, you're, I'm interested. I'll stick my, I'll stick my foot in here. I won't swim, but I'll dabble. I'll, I'll, I'll check the temp. And then now, now that people know he's interested, next summer, the summer after, he's going to have more years of building this media platform. He'll get even more, he'll probably get a couple more offers. But the, the media thing is, is, is going to be interesting with JJ because longevity-wise, he makes money more

around the media if he keeps doing what he's doing now with ESPN and being on the next. I think he does do an amazing job. He would end up

getting an ESPN show or something along that way. And his podcast would just continue to develop and get so big that he'd probably get a huge Spotify

or something on a big network, a big deal. He'd probably make a lot of money doing media. A lot of guys make more money after basketball and the lifestyle. I'm going to ask you this morning.

The lifestyle is easier? 100%. You focus on the interviews, you focus on the coverage. When you're the coach, you are the coverage. It's just,

I've lived with the coach. That shit is no joke, bro. People really don't understand on the outside. Players have it even easier. As hard as our jobs are and how much time and pressure or whatever,

whatever, go into it, there's a lot there. I do believe coaches have a lot more. They have to get, we get to the gym, we got to work out, I'll paint you a picture. Practice day.

My workout's at 11. get there at 930, 10, eat some breakfast. I'm not a big treatment guy unless I have something wrong. It's a flaw in me. I just don't get on the tables a lot. I should. But I just try to stay out of there. It's like a weird thing I have.

As you get older, maybe hang around there a little more. A lot of it with me is I'm superstitious in ways. I feel like the more you're in the training room, the more you've got to be in there. I've always felt that way. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong, but I stay in that room and I'm usually never in that room. So that's how I am.

Any of these, regardless, I come an hour or whatever before my workout. I do my workout. We have practice after you ice up, maybe it gets him shot you out of there. It's like a three and a half hour window, man. In and out. That's workday. Coaches are there at like 8 a.m. And leave at like 637.

They're working like 10 hour days, right? All week. As soon as the game's over, we're napping on the plane, passed out, listening to music, might be watching our. our edits, just our edits, your personal edits. The coach has to watch the goddamn fool game. They'll probably watch it again to start editing it up stuff. Again, you have people in the video coordinator doing all this stuff for you,

but you have to run through it. Make sure the assistants are all doing their job. But it's stressful, man. You also are the one drawn up the plays. You're the one that's got to get along with the players. Impossible task. Half of them hate you or don't hate you, but they don't like you because nobody can play enough.

Everybody wants more minutes. Of course. And everybody wants to make it most money. No coach is 100% of proof. Nobody. It's impossible. Even the greatest coaches in the world, I can go find five players in that team that can't stand them because they don't play enough because there's always going to be five or six guys that don't play enough. That's on every team. So you're constantly trying to please guys who make more money than you to buy into this. Bro, the coaching thing is so hard. People don't understand it. They don't understand. And your younger brother Spencer is on the coaching staff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He is a Philly. And he's busting his ass out there. Works his ass. He's a player development. So he's, he's a younger brother Spencer's. He's a player development. So he's, he's, he's a younger brother. He's. He's, he's, he's working out these guys getting there. I mean, he gets home and he's exhausted by the end of the day. It's just, it's not a game.

It's a lot of time and a lot of hours. I think, again, I can't speak for JJ. I don't know if I see him doing it. Not that he can't. I think he could be a talented young head coach. But I know how he is with his kids. And a move to Toronto would be very difficult, you know. I think they're stationed in New York or something like that.

And the time and hours in stress spent, And every coach I know goes from black hair to white hair. Quick, man. It's like Obama. The Obama picture. Obama presidency pick, man. It's an Obama presidency pick, right? They had one of Quinn Snyder before and after the gym.

He got the job with the jazz, yeah. And it's just like, it's stress, man. Yeah. It's just stress. Your dad's voice when he did TV for T&T before. Verse now? First now. It's crazy.

Just thinking, people have, I'm not even being biased. My dad is definitely, I would put my pops, definitely to be one of the best coaches in the NBA. I think most people would acknowledge that. And his name is constant. them for whatever reason thrown in fire rumors. But now he's like the great, they win this series. He's going to be one of the greatest coaches again.

You know what I mean? That's how the narratives change so quickly with coaches. It's exhausting. Again, we just talked about it with Bud. It's no joke, man. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. It's interesting.

Well, then the next question for you is when the sun is set on your career, whenever that is, are you going to be wanting to get into the front office, coaching? It sounds like you're already not too into the coaching. No, no, no, no. I'm into the coaching. I'm just letting people know what it is, man. I just don't think it's like the good news is my kids are already two, three,

two and four. But if we have another one, well, you know, it'll be around this range. By the time I retire, hopefully, in the next five, six years, which is a goal or playing of mine, obviously, God willing. And your oldest one knows your, he already knows what's going on. Yeah, he knows. He knows what. He knows what.

He knows what. He's only four. Yeah. So by that time, you know, they're 8, 10, 11, you know, I don't know. I can't even speak on it. Yeah, I would be into coaching. Absolutely. I love the game. I love being in the front lines. I'm so passionate about it. I'm doing the coaches program this summer at Disney. USA Top 100 camp. I'm going to be one of the coaches. Oh, that's awesome. Which is super dope because I have three of my own players for my AU program there. So that'll be really cool. But I'm also into the front office side, man. I like putting puzzles together. I like putting pieces together. I've already been on the front lines for so long. It would be nice in another sense to like, be around my family more and like kind of just take a step back and like get your heart out of it a little bit just just try to be the peacemaker you know the guy doing other stuff you know so I don't know but that side's also they they say it's not as just you know rewarding man you know you end up yeah I don't want to view players as numbers or assets and I don't want to ever get to that point but I don't know I don't know maybe you should watch the movie money ball and see how they be yeah right right right they are literally numbers yeah money ball's insane I love that movie but yeah I don't know I'm into both I would do

A lot of coaches do both. Steve Kerr did both. My father did both. Stan Van Gundy did both. I think Tibados did both at a time. They were both like president of basketball again. They tried to do both. But still, like, everyone has interest in it.

I think if you're a true fan of the game and like just in a position where you want to not have as much power, but be in a position where you actually can make choices or your choices are actually reflected within the team, you're open to both. I would love to be a head coach one day or a front office guy. I've been around the game since I was born. And I've been around the NBA since I was five or six, but I've seen everything as well, know things, seeing things. And more importantly, have experienced organizations top to bottom, good and bad to know what not to do and what to do in a situation where if I were in the front office, I think I'd be an asset in terms of just trying to get at the right direction and run like a top chair program. So, yeah, I have interest in both.

That'd be dope. You mentioned your AAU team. Some of your players are going to be in the top 100 camp. I saw your point card the other day working out. McKell Brown, am I saying his name right? Yep, yeah. Really, really good basketball. Yeah, he's talented.

I just want to give him a shot out. You got a great point card heading your program over there. Yeah, Mikel is a, he's, he's skilled, man, super skilled. Still growing to, still growing into his body. I'm excited to go see those guys tomorrow. In Dallas, there's a big Adidas tournament tomorrow, so I get to go check these guys out. But yeah, they just say he keeps getting better and better and better. I haven't even, I've got to chop it up with him on the phone a couple times.

This is just, you know, catching up. But it'll be excited to actually really get to meet them on a different level tomorrow and get to support and interact with them. And this summer, they'll be around in Orlando, we'll be in gyms working out. You know, so hopefully he's one of the, you know, the next ones to come out, out the city, man. That's awesome. Let's get into the playoffs. We were talking about your, you know, your dad's series against the Celtics. They have an opportunity to close that out tonight.

What are your thoughts there? That huge game winner by James Hardin two games ago. The overtime game, it was at game four. And now we have, so that was game four. Yeah, that was game four. Now game five, they blew them out in Boston. Were you surprised by that? Yeah, it was.

The Celtics have always had the features number. Yeah, and not only that, it was at home. Right. So like the last place, especially in that place, is a Madhouse, right? It was really surprising how flat the energy was with the Celtics. Yeah. It just seemed like they couldn't really, well, they couldn't make a shot for one. But yeah, man, Philly just came out and really blew them out from start to finish.

They had to control in the game for the most part. And now they're in a situation where they actually, they have to go home, you know, go in the road, win in Philly. Is that tonight? Yeah. Yeah, they got to go win in Philly and then go back home. They got to win two. If you're the Celtics, man, I mean, first stop, do you see a lot? Do you see the contracts that Jason Tatum and Brown?

That was the next thing I was going to get into. The all-M-D-A selection. Well, before we get into that, before we get into that, then let's, let's, I would love to talk about this Philly situation because I truly believe, whoever wins this Philly Boston series will win the whole thing. Wow. That's a crazy. That's a, that's a statement. It is a statement. I believe that.

I do think they'll definitely be favored against the heat of the mix. Yes. Even though I keep, we keep kind of the heat out. I'm not trying to kind of heat out. I'm definitely impressed as everyone is what the heat's been able to do. Their first run opponent was versus the heats, bucks. Yeah, with the honest, with no, what you said, not a healthy middleton and half a yonnes.

Yeah, happy honest. They won that series. Playing the Knicks, they go against, they lose. Again, they lose versus Boston or Philly. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So then you're talking about they go to the finals.

Who would they play? The only team in the West that's like in terms of like death chart that actually can like probably beat them is proud or making us. I think the Lakers are pretty deep. The Lakers are fighting out every game. They brought out Lonnie Walker. We'll get into that. Yeah, that was crazy. You realize how deep they are.

That guy wasn't playing. And they look like they're just rolling right now. Yeah. They really do. We'll see what happens with that series. But I think Philly and Boston on the two best teams left. I mean, before the playoffs started, everybody said the best teams in the league were the three top teams in the east. Milwaukee, Boston and Philly.

They've been the best three teams all season long. So it's not like a crazy thing to say whoever wins the Boston Philly Series wins. But I truly do believe whoever wins. If Philly wins tonight, I think it's on them to lose the rest of the way. What would your thoughts be on a Yokeachin-Bee finals? It would be incredible. Yeah. It would be incredible.

Is that the best possible finals left for you as a basketball fan? As a basketball fan, the best possible finals left would probably be Boston, Los Angeles. Yeah. To see Tatum and Jalen Brown playing in like the Staples Center and Braun and in the TD? Just seeing the green and the yellow against each other again. The history there, the two most winningest franchises, you know, you had the Kobe, Paul, Pierce. Everybody would remember this, get emotional about it. You know, you have all these legends at the game.

Everyone would be at these games. I mean, these games would be just popping, bro. I mean, big time games. That's an epic regular season game too where LeBron didn't call foul. For LeBron. Celtics Lakers Finals again with LeBron James in there. And you got Tatum and that whole team. That's the best possible scenario in terms of like popcorn ready.

Entertainment is Boston Lakers, right? Basketball nerd. Basketball nerd is Yoko Jury. Yeah. To have the MVP versus the former MVP and the guy that those two are really the one in the race this year playing in the finals, that's, that's as good as it gets. That'd be as good as it gets. which I think is very possible. It looks like, yeah.

Where the Nuggets are playing too out there. But the Lakers are, man, they're looking good, man. LeBron and AD are hitting stride. Adi's got to be healthy. That's like the, obviously, he's got to be healthy and he's got to play good. He's got to dominate, matter of fact. Because the Warriors aren't going away. The Warriors are going to come trying to win game six.

If the Warriors win the next game, it's a rap. It's a rap. All the pressure is in game study. It's a rap. It's a rap. And then stuff could come back and say that I came back 3-1 on Lebron. on LeBron and you make a lot of it. That would be amazing.

Yeah, that we get the whole. The Lakers are so tricky how deep they are. They have, they almost have, they're almost like a team, one of those college football teams with two quarterbacks with D'Angelo Russell and Dennis Schroeder, the way they both, whoever's kind of going off that game will finish the game. They finish the game. Whoever plays well through the first three quarters.

Yeah. Between Schroeder and Delo finishes the game. And it's usually on, depending upon. Delos shot making ability. If he's hitting shots at game and his turnover ability. If he's not turning the ball over and if he's hitting shots, which he's a very capable score and shooter, big time score and shooter actually.

And he's making good decisions. He finished his game. On the flip side of Schroeder is causing problems with his defensive pressure and he's having good energy. And if he's making the right play, he's just in terms of him attack. He's not a shooter or anything like that. But he could attack the basket. He's extreme quickness causing havoc, then he finishes the game. It's whoever's doing their strengths the most they did, they roll with. You know what I mean?

And unless they got to play offense, defense. But they have players, though. Every time Rui Hatchamore subs in, I'm always like, man, they have him too. Like, they have a lot of players. They do. They got Reeves. He's cooled off a little bit in the playoffs. They stop calling all those fucking fouls where he like does that thing.

But he's been, he's been playing his ass off like the whole, the whole playoffs. What kind of contract do you think he'll get? I mean, he's going to make more than 10, 11. He'll make more $12, $13 million a year. Yeah. You know, I think he makes, I think he gets like a four years, four years 40, four years 40. And that number, by the way, is open to going up as if they keep winning. That's the thing.

If they went, dude, this guy has one more big game. You have one more big game tomorrow night or in game seven or one big game in the finals. That number jumps to 60, 70. Seriously. He could get it. He could get a four-year, $52 million deal. I think he's already earned. I think he'll get a 50-something million-dollar deal.

I think he gets four years like 50-something. He'll probably make 12, 13, 14 million dollars a year. If he wants to take a discount to stay with Los Angeles, that's all the thing. Maybe it gets like a, yeah, four years, whatever. You know, I make 10 to 12 to stay with Los Angeles probably. You know what I mean? But yeah, you go to the finals and win as a Laker and you're a key piece, a role player. Then, yeah, we're talking.

That number goes up like 60, 70, 80. Who fucking knows at that point. I mean, especially with the Lakers. I mean, they're going to boost you, man. You know? I don't know. My favorite attribute of his. would be his competitive aggressiveness.

He doesn't back down. He just attacks. He just attacks. He's not the most, he's not the greatest shooter. His moves are very like, he's kind of like, I don't want to say goofy or like stiff, but he's not like fluid with his handle. He doesn't, he does have a good handle though. He's very underrated.

He is crafty. He is crafty. But he's not the craziest most athletic guy. He just aggressive. He just like attacks. As soon as he gets a rebound, a guy's fucking pushing. He's going right after you. He don't care who's in front of.

He's attacking. He's looking to score. That's a quality of a lot of players don't play with. And he plays on the biggest stage in basketball. He's playing for the Lakers next to LeBron James in the playoffs. And he's aggressive every time he touches the ball. I'm a huge fan of that. So I like his game personally, yeah.

On the flip side, if the Warriors lose, let's say they lose the next game, it's a blowout in Los Angeles. Are you breaking up the team as far as Draymond on, maybe Clay? If you lose versus the Lakers, am I breaking up a team? And I don't even know what moves they can make. Yeah, I don't even know what moves they can make either. The Dremont is the Dremont situation.

You have the Dremont situation. Well, there's a lot of, there's a lot of, yeah, I was about to say there's a lot of situation. You have the Jordan Pool factor. They could extend Clay. The Dramon Green Factor. And you had that was about the last thing I was going to say. You had the clay extension. So they got a lot of question marks that are going to have to be answered.

I don't really know what direction you go in. It's hard to turn your back on something that's been such a success in a dynasty. Even this year, if they lost, they still went to the second round. That's the worst year they've had. want to blow it up because they went to the second round. That means you're still not far off. You're a round away from the conference finals. And they made the playoffs for two years and they won the title. So in their minds,

they're probably thinking... They've been through everything. Yeah, yeah. Just why don't we keep what we have, see if maybe we can... I don't know. They've got a lot of assets they can move to or guys that they want to develop. You've got pool. I just don't know what's going on with the pool stuff. And they're keeping it under wraps. I don't know what's going on. Does he get along with Dremont? You see videos of him

not dapping up Dremont and the huddle, things like that. the man got punched in the face before, you know, the season started. The whole world saw it. There's no way that that just cools off. Winning can cool that off. If they win the title, forget about it, it's whatever. But it has to be something there.

I can't imagine they're both on the team next year. One of them has to go. Yeah. Probably, yeah. Are they still your favorites to win the whole thing? Last week, that's what you told me. I have to stick with it. I can't back out now.

Yeah. Going down 3-1 hurt me. though. I say their favorites and they immediately go down 3-1. They're down 3-2. Like we said, though, the pressure is completely all the last 2nd. With the Sun's Nugget series, it just came out that Aiton's going to miss the next game. They might be better. Jock Landau? We're bringing up Bismack Beyond.

I think you also experiment a little, Katie at the 5 and like double team yoke, make someone else beat you. Yeah. Listen, Denver is unbeatable. I don't want to say unbeatable. They're hard to beat. when Jamal and Yokh are both able to thrive together. When Jamal plays well,

but doesn't play so much to point where he's like shooting a lot and like taking away from Yokic, when he plays well where he's like just natural flow of the game, scoring, being aggressive, good decision making, you know, when he's around that like 25 to 28, even 30 maybe range, and then you've got Yokuj around the same range, that's when they're really good. And when Michael Porter Jr. has 12, 13, 14,

Colwell Pope has 10, 11, 12, Aaron Gordon has 14 15. We're just talking about a well-balanced team. That's why they had the best wreck in the league this year, though. They were well-balanced. Then in the playoffs, sometimes they've been too much of the extremes. It's been too much Yokic. The night they lost.

Yogesh had 57, 13, 40. It's too much Yokage. You know? The nights they've won is when Jamal's cooking, Yolch is cooking, A.G.S. They come at you in waves. They got multiple guys having good games. That's why role players are so important.

And that's why the best teams in the league have always A, had superstars, but they've been superstars surrounded by good roleplay. You need good role play. And they have it. They have really good role players. They're not deep, but they have a really good seven, eight guys. And they need a couple of them to play a well along Yokic, especially Jamal. I think if they do that, they win.

Regardless whether Aiton plays doesn't play, they'll be fine. And the only reason I said Phoenix might be better without Aiden is because maybe they could play faster and play at a speed where they're running and gunning located at the five. But I don't know. Are you selling your eight in stock? Do you think, are you kind of off him? I don't mind it. I don't like to sell stock on someone if one place hasn't worked out.

Yeah. He's playing well enough to get $130 million out of contract. He was brilliant in that run that they had to the finals a couple years ago. He was great. When he's played a lot, he's played well. He has good touch. Can finish with his left or right. Defends really well.

One of the only guys in the league that actually can semi-defend Yokich. I don't want to say can guard him because Yokuch is giving him 50 pieces. but he can guard just as damn well as any other center in the league. So you got a good defensive big who's skilled and has touch with both hands. He's locked in with, what, three or four more years on his contract. I think he could be a valuable asset to a lot of teams. I like Aiton. I think sometimes a change of scenery can do a man a change of heart.

And you can, like, learn from, I'm sure he's going to look back in Phoenix. I don't know the ends and outs. I've only heard things. It obviously looks weird there. You want to talk about like Jordan Pool, Draymond. Yeah. I don't know what the dynamic is with Aiden in that team. In Monty.

Yeah. With any of them. Right. I've seen video clips of Aiden with Devin, Ait, this guy, Aiden with this guy, like, those guys trying to talk to him and him turn his head or him like him being a moat. I don't know what's there. Maybe it's just dramatized on TV. Maybe there's nothing going on. I don't fucking know.

I just know I'm not one of those guys that's like people like killing Aiden right now. And like Aiden's a really good player. Maybe just might be in a different situation. You know, because clearly I don't know what he's doing over there. but he had you know yeah no we always talk about especially on this pod how NBA players are so good and it's all about opportunity and if the right guy off a bench gets the opportunity they could shine what's the difference between tell me why a guy guys on phoenix for example they don't obviously phoenix doesn't seem deep at all in the playoffs the top two guys have to go for 70 for them to have a

chance of winning then you have a team like the heat where you know Tyler hero's out and then guys like Gabe vincent and Caleb martin step up and those are those are you guys like the heat you know role players are just thriving and they step up because NBA players are so talented like we always talk about. But then for the Sons, for example, it just feels like they're basically the top two guys and everyone else has. What's the difference? The difference is he had better players. Gabe Vincent's playing like 2002 Mike Bibi out there sometimes. It's nuts. The guy doesn't miss a shot. He's crazy. Solid. But Gay Vincent can play though. Yeah. That's the difference. That's no knock against the sons play. Sons have good role players, but like the Sons are where they are because Devin

is played out of his mind. I don't want to say out of his mind because he's a really good player, but he's played unbelievable, and Kevin's played great. I don't want to say his best, because Kevin could be better, but Kevin's played amazing, man. He's only been Phoenix for a short time. For him to be thriving like the way he is, he's, he's really like, he's unbelievable. So you got those two really like doing carry, heavy lifting, and then you've gotten some solid role play. A couple games, a couple games, Josh Kogi's played well. A couple games, Josh, he's played well this hustle. Shammit had a big game the other night.

You had like five, six, threes and a half or in the game or some shit like that. So they've had good role play. It hasn't been consistent. But they're heavily dependent upon two guys. It's also a style of play system. That's what I think. I think it's them going ISO. The sons just go ISO all the time.

That's the thing. That's a thing, too. That's a great point. Katie and Devon are great, but their game is also a lot of ISO. A lot of shots. A lot of us through them. But Jimmy's just like a junkyard dog, man. You just throw them out there.

He'll get buckets. He'll call. the ball when he needs to. He goes out there and just hustles. So those guys all have a green light and just go play basketball. Also, the expectations with Phoenix are high. They were like championship or bust, especially when they got KD. So like everything's through them and there's a, it's a little, I'm going to say pressure, but there's a lot there. Miami? Yeah. Nobody expected them to do anything. They barely got into the playoffs. They lost their first playing. They lost the first playing game like we did. Got in on a whim. Tyler gets hurt. No one expects anything. There's a lot. They

They're going to get to Milwaukee. People thought that, no one even tuned into that series, by the way. I don't think a person... I'd be on NBA TV instead of... Nobody watched that series because nobody thought it was going anywhere. And then Jimmy, you know,

proved everybody, myself, you, everybody wrong and played his ass off. And their role players played great. Again, Middleton wasn't himself in Yonah Smith's two and a half games that about did it. But Miami still had to play extremely well and they did that.

I think it's just a different setup, a different opportunity. Like you said, NBA is very opportunity-based. It's all opportunity based. There's only 0.001% of guys can go to any team and just be the superstars. The Kevin Durants, the Damian Lillards, the Yonkages, the Donkages, John Morant, Jason Tatum, the list goes on, right? But there's like 20, 25 guys that can go to any team and they'd be whoever they want.

So you think there's always, that's a question I always, I've definitely wanted to ask you. How many superstars are in NBA? Superstars? Yeah, what do you classify the superstar? Superstar is a guy who's been an All-Star more than like six or seven times. If you've made the All-Star game two, three times you're not a fucking superstar. That means he's an All-Star.

He's made it a couple times. A superstar is a guy who's like made the All-Star game like six or seven times or is a guy that even if he's only made it two or three times, you already know this guy is that way, a Donkage. Yeah. Lug of Donkish is a superstar. Jason Tatum is a superstar. Is Donovan Mitchell a superstar?

No. He recently, he got announced that he made second. team all NBA. Shea made it over him. She made first team. You agree with that? I know you're a big Shay fan. Yeah, I think Shay's better than Donovan. I love Donovan Mitchell. I think Donovan Mitchell got games. He's a monster. I think Shay's better though. But Shea's not a superstar. But he's not a superstar. He's headed there. He's headed there, though. He's headed that way. Donovan's close, by the way. Donovan's close. He had a crazy year. Donovan Mitchell had an insane. The guys that said, we're looking at, we're Luca Donkage and Jason Tatum. Yeah.

I was thinking I was trying to get you caught up on maybe some fringe guys, see what you would No, there are. There's guys that are- Obviously, Damien Allard, superstar. David-Li-Luhrin is a superstar. Yeah. Kyrie Irvin is a superstar. Kyrie Irving is a superstar.

I think so, yeah. Okay. Again, you have all that stuff that comes with Kai and all this stuff, whatever, whatever, but, like, yeah, if you got like a clean-headed, clear-headed, I meant, clear-headed, totally dedicated to his craft, all-in, teammate, Kyrie Irvin, Kyrieu's a best point in the NBA, or one of them. He was him or Steph, in my opinion. All right, let's take a break when we get back.

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in West Virginia. So the Celtics, now that Jalen Brown and Jason Tate have made all NBA teams, they are faced with a dilemma of Jalen Brown being eligible for an extension that's five years worth $295 million. And these numbers are going to eventually sound normal, right? Yeah. I remember when people started getting $150 million deal, I was like, holy shit. And now that sounds, yeah, that sounds fun. Shout out to Mike Conlin. Yeah, Mike Conlin got that first 150 million and we were like, holy, molly's going to, he owns Memphis. He could literally buy the city of Memphis. And now 150 million, it's, yeah, you hear it all the time. So this number will eventually sound normal. Yeah. What do you think about Jalen Brown? That's, do you automatically, if you're the Celtics, do you commit, do you sign it? Do you commit to that?

Well, he's a free agent. he's eligible for this extension. Oh. And also Jason Tative next summer is eligible for a five-year, $318 million extension. Well, here's the thing. As long as you have those two guys with role player on them, good role players, you automatically are in the contention of a championship for the next four or five years. Right. So you can look at it that way.

You know, it's a half a billion dollar investment, but more. it's actually like a 600 yeah plus some just do it all the roll you know marcus smart makes 15 18 Derek white makes 15 17 yeah Malcolm robin these guys are all the books these guys are all paid man you know i mean like all three of their good role players are getting paid robert williams i think makes 11 like these guys get bred right so grant williams probably going to make around 10 11 12 i don't know if he'll be with the south think spina yeah but no it probably won't be they can't everybody you can't so they'd be over the cap anyway right i don't know i don't know i think if teams You lose tomorrow?

You lose tomorrow. I don't know if they do that extension right away. They were talking about training them early in the year because maybe they didn't want to do it. But, okay, so teams are going to be throwing this kind of out of here. I would pay him. Yeah, Jalen Brown's a stud, bro. For sure.

I'm a huge Jailorow fan. I like him on both sides of the basketball. He defends. He scores. He's aggressive. He's athletic. I think he is an all. He wasn't an all-star.

He's an all-team player. He's a big-time player. And the difference between him and Tatum is not as big as, like, what people like. And again, I know people love Tatum, like the superstar world, superstar were, and we don't put Jalen Brown in that. But like, I'm putting Tatum here. Like, Brown's like, especially in the playoffs. The playoffs are even.

Yeah. And the playoffs, historically, the playoffs, they're just about even. Who was better than the finals last year? Jaylon Brown was better in the finals last year. We all know that. I don't think he's a better player than Jason. But then on one side, like, you could argue, Jalen does defend better than him.

That is a whole side of the basketball game. People forget, you know, the object of the game is to put the ball in the basket. But it's also to stop somebody from putting in the basket. Having something that's good on the other side of the ball and good on the other side, both sides, is something to talk about. And I say that because he's a much better defender than Tatum. But on offense, Tatum isn't a much better offensive player than Jaylon.

He's better than him. He's better than him because he has more in his bag, especially if you need like a late game three to stepbacks, closing games. I like Tatum better. But it's not like this humongous gap. You know what I mean? Like Jaylon Brown is a real deal, bro. I think if teams are going to be,

spending this kind of money on their best players. And these two guys have proven, they went to the finals. They got under the conference finals in the bubble. You know, this year, they're on the second round. I don't know what's going to happen. They're proven that it works. Them two work together. So why wouldn't you pay your main guys out?

Yeah, if I'm going to take care of anybody, I'd take care of the two guys that got us to these. Yeah, it's a good point. Maybe you do it. Right. I mean, Tatum's a no-brainer. Jalen's a no-brainer, too, for anybody else. It's just a matter if the Celtics want to tie up that much money between two guys.

but I've seen it happen before. It's just a lot of money. We have the same situation going on in Minnesota. Yeah. There's a half a million tied up between Rudy and Carl. Yeah. Just about. Does that affect the on court stuff?

Like all this money talk and everything, contracts? I don't know. I mean, I've never heard Rudy or Carl really talk about money. Neither are money even the type of guy to talk about money or care about money, which is the ironic thing. So no.

really think it does. Especially those guys. Okay, so they make $2995. The other one makes $300. Tatum's coming off of $140, $130, Brown's coming off of $1. They each make $30, $40 million anyway right now. These guys aren't going from like $4 million

rookie deals to $300. They're already making $40. So now it's just going to go from like $40 to $65. You know what I'm saying? Like these guys are already too much money, so much money. So I don't think they even care about that.

They're making millions off to court. We're talking about like superstar players. like usually those guys don't even bring up the money because it's just so obvious you already know it like do you know what I'm saying for sure I know what is on the planet like Yolkid how does it feel it have to it like what do you expect is max playing these guys getting paid bro it's supposed to be and the main thing I'm trying to say is that this type of money is going to be very normal yeah it's still that we're just talking doesn't feel right for me yeah 300 15 million it sounds insane it's not like baseball but baseball signs those over 14

that is that yeah it did it over a long time that's what people don't understand everybody So Arod was doing the 10 years, 300 million? Yeah, bro. We're doing four years, three hundred, five years, 300 million. It's half. Yeah, it's half the time and same money. Right. Do you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. If you, Tateum could sign two of these and get the same baseball player, you know, you get 600 million. He's going to get 600 and seven hundred million over the next eight years. Over the next, over the next eight to ten years, Jason Tadam will make around $700 million. It's not counting the hundred and 70, 80, whatever the fuck he's got right now. The 200 he's already got.

He'll end up after the end of his career around like 900 million, Devin 2. Both of those guys will be just under a billion in career artists. So imagine a guy like your teammate Anthony Edwards who's just coming up on all this money? He's seeing this right now? Anthony,

at the end of Anthony Edwards' career, if he continues to do the things he's supposed to do with his talent, how good that guy is, Anthony Edwards should make around a billion dollars in the NBA. That's insane. It is insane. Yeah.

Yeah. If you're a young player, you get into the NBA, I would just be thrilled hearing these numbers. There's no hating going on, right? You can't. I mean, especially the guys that are getting them are usually the best players anyway. Like, no, no one, if A. If A.m. Got five years, 300 million, there's no way a person in our locker room would hate on him. Yeah.

It's impossible. We watch him every night. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, the guy deserves to get paid. You know what I mean? That's the way the NBA is headed. That's the direction it's headed. This money is all, first off, we're all overpaid.

We all get paid a shit ton of money. But the reason why we're all. we're not overpaid is because the amount of money the owners make and how much they're making off of what we're doing each night. This is a multi-billion dollar sport. Every owner, every billionaire in the world wants to own an NBA team. The list as long as Shaq's arms, bro. Every billion in the old, look at the numbers. Michael Jordan bought the Charlotte Hornets for 200 and something million. People are like, whoa, it's a lot of money. He could sell it right now for $3 million, $3 billion. I mean, Phoenix just went for a whole. Look at the Phoenix guy made. This is, this is what

business of basketball. It's blossoming. It's getting bigger and bigger and bigger. We already in Asia are the biggest. In America, we're on our way. And in Europe, soccer's always going to be dominant. But basketball has grown tremendously. Some of the best players in the NBA now are foreign. And it's only getting more and more. There's more foreign players going to be NBA every year. Pretty soon. We had a foreign guy on our pod last week. We had a foreign guy in our pod. And we're just talking about the NBA race was all the top three. We're all foreign players. Mbied, Yolkage, and Joel are all guys, I mean, and Janus are all foreign players. So, I mean, this, you know, yeah, I, I, I, I,

I don't want to pick this year and the NBA draft will be. Be a foreign basketball player, Victor. Yeah. So it's, it's exciting. It's, you know, it's exciting to see the game in the brand expanding. The worst thing is when you see some of these former players hate on guys like us, like younger guys make the money that we made. I hope that when 10, 20 years from now, the guys that I grew up with,

don't do the same to this class that's coming up. That means we did our job. job. We did what we had to do to help the evolution of basketball. So it went that way. They wouldn't be getting what they did. The game wouldn't have grown if we didn't do our job. The guys like LeBron, all these guys that paid away, Anthony Edwards, Stephen Curry's, the list goes on. All of us in the NBA. Again, those are superstars, but even the role players like myself, everybody that's been a part of the brand of basketball has helped grow the brand. And it's great for basketball. It's great for sports. And I'm excited for these young guys coming up in the next 10,

15, 20 years to all make a billion dollars, man. That would be really cool, you know? And that would have bothered you at all? No, bro. And it should. No, it would not bother me at all. I'd never pocket watch anybody. If I want money, I'll figure out a way to go get it. And if I can't get it, then I'll be blessed with what I have been able to get. And I say that as a man who comes from privilege, so I understand it's kind of naive of me to say this. But I've never been a guy. There's players in the NBA right now. I could name you 70. I can name you 100 players right now that make more money than the NBA that I know I'm better than. I know it. I never complain about it. I used to when I was young. I used to pocket watch. How does this guy get paid this?

How did that shit is just bullshit, bro. You end up, you end up like getting to a point in your life where you get mature enough to understand like, bro, if you want something you changed a lot since that yeah, I knew that Austin. I know this Austin. Yeah, I'm not. You're a whole different. I never talk about that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When someone says like, yeah, that guy gets paid that. I'm like, yo, good for that guy, man. That ain't got nothing to do with me, bro. Like, I got to figure out my own damn life. I found that out in one of our earlier pause, we talked about Lou Dorrit making 90 million. And I thought you were going to be like, what the hell? And you were like, man, Shout out to Lou Door.

Yeah. No, not, for real. Shout out to Lou Door, bro. Like, bro, I was like, oh, shit. Go get your money, man. I, I, that hate and shit, man, usually ends up, like, reflecting me in a negative way. It doesn't. It's never done anything positive for me.

It's only made me bitter or more frustrated about stuff. Do you think having kids is maybe changed you too? That could be another thing, too. I think so. Life is just bigger. I think so. I think so. I think so.

And then I also think there's, like, a part of me that's just, like, over the years, you end up just, like, realizing how grateful you are, like, just how lucky I've been able to be coming from where I coming from and then being able to make it to the league and have good health, have a good job, have good kids. Like, bro, I'm not complaining, man. I'm happy with where I'm at. Besides the fact that I honestly believe I have greater things ahead of me even after basketball in the media world.

I really do. I think that's the right attitude. Is that you're 30 years old? Yeah, bro. And your life is not even close to being halfway. No, that's what I'm just like, if these guys are getting more money, I'll be a part of it. Let me go be in the front office or a coach or in the media world.

Those guys are getting more money too. inflation's got everything up. Stephen A. Smith and these guys are making $20 million deals. Charles Barkley signed a $100 million deal. Tom Brady signed a two. And again, I know these guys are superstars, but everyone's moving in that direction. All guys in media are making this type of money. Podcasting is the reason why people are doing it.

The ones who can do it well, they're making big money. If you want money, go get it, bro. Like me hating on another player that I think I'm better in because that shit's weird, bro. I used to do that. A lot of players still do. But that shit never does you any good, man. What do you think about, we mentioned NBA owners. What do you think about Matt Ashbya, getting into it with Yokic?

I thought it's hilarious. I know Matt Well. He's a personal friend. One of the, probably the only owner in the NBA I could call a personal friend. I mean, I love Steve Balmer. Ahrod, Arod maybe be one. But like in terms of a guy I've actually hung out with, like, friend. Have you hung out of Aeron?

No. That's why I said, hanging out, Matt Ishby is the only guy I could have ever actually, like, hung out with. This is well before he was an owner of a team. I never knew he was going to be an owner of a basketball team. So seeing that was comedy, did I just do like a whole like weird like I know him type thing? There's nothing wrong with that. I don't know. That felt really like I feel like about you all the time.

What are you talking about? You're not to say you know that issue. It's not anything there. No, I know. It's just like it felt after I said it, I was like, am I that guy? Did I just turn into that guy that's like, no, I know him personally. He's, he's my God. He's my son's godfather.

I don't want to be that guy. You know, whatever, man. I know him a little bit. Fuck it. All right. I met him a couple times. Had some conversation with him. Right.

So to see him get into it with my former teammate was funny. Who was in the wrong? Are they both in the wrong? They both were the wrong. Matt shouldn't have held on to the fucking ball. Yon, if basketball is asking for the ball, give him the ball back. You don't play basketball. You don't play in the NBA.

Get the damn ball back. You're there to be a fan, which you are. Yokin shouldn't have put hands on him and pushed him. But Matt again, pressed upon him. Yokich probably just should have grabbed the ball. Did Yokchch knew who he was? No, I doubt it. Yeah.

But, yeah, Matt should have let go the ball. You're not in the game. But maybe because he's an owner, maybe not. Because I've seen Matt at plenty of games. He ain't never held the ball. Now he's an owner. I think maybe he's his first. It's his first thing to the playoffs.

Yeah, I think he's excited. I think he's trying to get in on it and he's with the sun. So he helps the ball. You know, I fuck with it. It's something like Mark Cuban might do some shit like that. You try to grab the ball for Mark. Mark might be like. I mean, Steve Baumar goes nuts.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it might be on some shit like that. which I fuck with. But at the same time, it's like, yo, it's like, you're not,

you're not a player. Give the ball up. So they both were in the wrong, right. I don't think it's that big of a deal either. The only reason it was news is because who it was. If that was a fucking,

Bruce Brown, uh, got into it with, the hot dog guy and pushed him. I don't think it would have been viral. Yeah. It would have been just something they breached over.

Yeah, it would have just like funny and people would have moved past it. This became like a thing because it was Matt Ishfia who just bought the sons already having an on-court incident with the most one of the most popular players in the world.

So it was, it was something small. It looked like they playfully played it off the next game when he handed on the ball. I thought it was hilarious by Yogy. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good form. John Moran did not make an all-N-v-A team. Do you think that's fair? I can't say I followed him enough this year to know if that's fair or not.

So I don't know what it was numbers. Obviously, the off-court stuff played a huge part in it. So that's kind of what I want to know. Yeah, I didn't, I can't, I don't know his number. and his stuff off the court this year probably played an impact because it does with everything else. So you would be naive to assume that it didn't. It always has anywhere else.

The guys that made it over him, obviously. Yeah, yeah. Why only say this? Say the guys the name. Okay. So obviously Luca, Steph Curry made it over him. Shea. We got Jalen Brown.

De Aaron Fox is the one that made it over him. And I think he had a better season than him. Deer & Fox played well, extremely well for what the Kings did. Deer & Fox should have absolutely been on an all-N-B-A team. No problem. I don't have a problem in that list. How about Luca making first team and didn't make the play? I don't like that.

But I do think Luca's like a first-team player, though. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if that makes sense. I think their success this year in his overall play, I don't think it was first-team. But like if I had to make a first-time... I think that's four first-team all-MBAs in a row. I think if I had to make a first-team all-MBAs in terms of like... If I had to start a franchise with a point guard, I'd go to Luca.

Not a player, though. If you had to start a franchise with a player, you're going to Yonis. Yes, I'd probably go with Yonis. But a point guard is Luca. And Lucas is close behind Yonis. I think he's so talented, man. Yeah. I think he's so good.

You can't go wrong with any of these games. I don't know, man. I don't really give them. The first team, the defensive team was a joke. The all defensive team stuff was ridiculous. You're a guy who's gay to make, big Daniels. It bothers the shit out of me. Yeah.

That's, that's, it's insane. It's insane. Not only is it insane, it's actually wrong. Like, they're wrong. They're wrong. First off, he's the top two or three defender in the NBA perimeter. And it's not even, it's not even up for debate. It's not up for debate.

Anybody who knows basketball, who watches basketball, would say the same exact thing. I'm not even saying this because he's my teammate. Jamie McDaniels is literally one of the best defenders in the NBA. So first team, okay, maybe I get it. Not anything? Bro, did you look at the list of the guys that they have on the defensive team? Have him not even fucking play defense. Our favorite topic on the pod, Dylan Brooks made first team all defense.

Dylan Brooks plays his ass off. He plays hard and he's a good role player. I know he's gotten a lot of negative attention over the past month. We talk about him every pod. It's inevitable. We're talking about him now. Do I think he's a better defender than Jada McDaniels? Are you out of your fucking mind?

No, I thought for sure. He guards one through four. He's six, bro. You should see the shit he does that some of the best players in the league. I'll take him totally out their game. Totally out their game. Man, give me a break.

What the fuck is making? Who's, who's, who's, who's, who's? O.G made it over him. Derek White, he's a guard. Derek White can defend his ass off. I like Raymond Green. I mean, so Dylan Brooks made the second team. Evan Mowgli on the first team.

Brooke Lopez. Alex Crusoe made first team. I like Alex Crusoe, man. Alex Crusoe, man. Alex Cruz is not a better defender than Jenny McDaniels. Drew Halliday, obviously. Drew Holley's going to be up there. Alex Caruso is not a better defender than Jada McDaniels.

And it's not even, there's not a person, there's not a coach in the NBA. There's not a coach in the NBA that would disagree with me. Who votes for that? That's media, right? Okay, there you go. Period. The voting is. I like, again, this is not a slight, this is not a dig of Caruso.

So I don't even want this sound bite taken off. I like Caruso. I think he's a good role player. He's proven that for years. I actually think he's a good defender, too. Caruso can slide them feet. Good defender. Is he better than Jayne McDaniels?

Absolutely not. And it doesn't even have to do with almost Caruso. He just doesn't have the God-given ability Jada McDaniels has. Jay to McDaniels is 6-10 with like a, I don't even know what his winged span is. It's got to be seven foot. He is an absolute nightmare on defense.

Absolute nightmare. I've seen him take the most dominant players in the NBA just totally out of their game. Too many of them. Like he's like a consistently, they call him seatbelt, Jaden seatbelt McDaniels, strapped up. It's a, so for him to not get on a defensive team, they got it wrong. I'm not surprised. They usually do.

But the good news is he's young and he's going to have a lot of. Yeah, I know. It's so bullshit. The guys that they made it over them is just ridiculous. And again, those guys can defend. Crusoe can defend. Delano Brooks can defend. Those guys are, they're not better than Jayne McDaniels on defense.

I said it here and I've said it again. They're not better than Dana McDaniels in defense. And every coach or scout me. NBA that watches players would tell you that. So this is why the media thing is that all defensive teams don't mean shit to me. And the fact that that's what triggers contracts is a joke. I don't like that either. So now guys are getting paid off contracts that are being voted by the media?

These guys aren't. Yeah. These guys have certain money and control how much money got. It's just ridiculous. I don't like that either. I don't. And I love the media. I'm a part of it.

This is us. We're media. Maybe one day we'll have a vote. I don't even know how that works. I think Perkins and those guys got votes. So yeah, we definitely will have a vote. That's the plan pretty soon one day. I will.

So maybe we'll help balance it out from whatever the fuck's going on. Janieman Daniels not getting on a defensive team tells you right then and there what's wrong with the system. Period. So whatever, man. That actually just ruined my day. Yeah, got you really mad. Sorry about that. Last thing I'm going to bring up to you, this is what we're going to do.

I want you to close your eyes and tell me who is going to win the championship. as of right now. Every week I'll ask you because your answer might change. But right now, you have to put all your net worth on this team's going to win. Who would it be? Who do you see winning it? If I have to put all my net worth on one team winning the championship? Holy shit.

What if you really had to do that? It doesn't matter who you are, putting anybody out there putting all of your pennies in a one jar. Yeah. I'm going. Just to give you a reminder, earlier this pod, you said whoever wants the Celtics Six or series is going to win it all. I know that. I'm choosing between those two. Okay. Even though I was on here weeks ago saying the Warriors were going to win it all.

Right. Which, by the way, I'm not kind of, I'm not at all. They still could. They're not in a memorable account. Yeah, they're only down three. The Lakers are going to have to do everything to take people. People come back from 3-1. 3-0 is what people don't come back from.

But now it's 3-2. They win one more. It's game 7 at home. It's very possible for them to do. The Warriors could easily win that series. They could easily not, though. Regardless, I'm going Philly. It doesn't even have anything to do with my Pops either.

Would you go to the parade? No. Yeah, maybe. It's family. I'm not going to be on the goddamn blimp or whatever. I'm not going to be. I think it's airborne. I think they're on the car.

I'm not going to be on the tour bus or whatever they are. I'm not going to be in the bus just popping champagne. You're not going to be in the crowd either. You've got to be somewhere. There's a family. Yeah, I'll be on the family wagon. I'll be in the back just sitting there. I'm not going to have a cigar in my mouth celebrating like I did something.

I can tell you that. What do you mean hang out with your pops? I would be a huge moment. For him? My dad won the NBA championship? I would be next to him. Maybe a cigar. Oh, I wouldn't, listen, how happy I would be that he won, I'd be ecstatic.

No, no, obviously, you know what I'm saying? In terms of me being there at the parade, like jumping up and down, not that ecstatic. Oh, no, no, I don't expect you to jump up and down, but I think you'll. No, man, I'd be in the back wagon, just doing a prom queen wave to anybody that, as, as we rode by. I'm not, I'm not shirt off with Henny in my hand, like, walking around. I don't know why I'm painting polar opposites extremes. I'm asking if you're going to attend. You're basically saying you're not going to be the J.R. Smith of this.

J.R. Smith played. J.R. Smith played and hit shots and got defensive stops. And he deserves it. You can go crazy. That's fine. If Philadelphia wins, they got nothing to do with Austin Rivers. And I understand I'm his son. But you'll be.

Because I play in the league as well, and I know these guys, especially the guys he's going to be winning with James and PJ and all these dudes. I wouldn't want to go to that after party. Yeah, I said you would want to? I would want to go to James is hosting. Yeah, James is hosting, I'll go, yeah, for sure. I saw a James boy, Zoe actually, after the F1 thing. Remember you know Zoh? Shout out to Zoe.

Zos global these days. Oh, yeah, yeah. Him and T.P. Troy. He was with Travis Scott. I was just like. No, he's tied in. He was doing their, dude.

They were doing their fun. They're tied in. Yeah, it was a quick, hey, what's up? And I got out of their way. James is doing a good job with that, man. He's putting his guys in positions, and then his guys are doing well themselves. Zoe, Troy, whatever. Yeah, he's doing his thing.

What's the biggest turnaround this year with the Sixers? Is it James playing well? Is it PJ Tucker? Is it his presence? It's James. It's James. Joel being an MVP, but he's always, he's kind of been on that level. Yeah, it's James and Jewel thriving together.

Yeah. Just both of them thriving. That's been the key. That's simple, man. I do firmly believe whoever wins the Boston's Philly Series wins the whole thing. I have a feeling that I can't even give you a predicament in the West, by the way. A prediction. Predicament is nuts.

Predicuments. Well, now we're going to predictant. I can't give you a prediction. I couldn't even tell you. I swear right now, it's still a coin flip Warriors, Lakers, and they were up 31. It's a coin flip. Yeah, the Warriors Lakers 3-1, people were still like, I don't know. I think the Warriors are still, because you just don't care.

But that's two game seven. Pretend they pass them. They get past the Lakers. Two seven games series in a row. That's, they're going to eventually. And then they're going to run into a Denver team. Because I think Denver wins that series. But again, Phoenix could win.

Phoenix has two guys. If they go crazy, you don't know what's going to happen. Regardless, I don't think any of these teams beat Boston or Philly. So, yeah, I'm going to go Philly. And that's just me strictly off of what I'm seeing right now. That has nothing to do with Doc. It's got nothing to do with Papa. Notice I didn't say Daddy there.

Yeah. Your daddy comments still lives on. You can say Papa's okay, but not Daddy. Papa is so many, someone who goes, yo, where's Papa at? People like he's out back. If I came home and I said,

yo, where's daddy? Papa? People would look at me like, what the hell is wrong with that man. I heard pops. Papa? Papa even is even better. Papa is even like more older. Like, that could be your grandpa.

Like, where Papa at? Nobody hears Papa and thinks anything sexual. We're daddy by a grown man or any, over the age of 14 or 15 or 16, it starts to get a little, there's a little different, there's a little different meaning to that word. Right. Do you think your daddy, if he wins the title this year? Yeah, see, that's there a chance?

Sounds insane. That sounds so crazy, bro. Do you think there's a chance he rise off in the sunset? No. I think he lives in, my- He has to go golf. I would love for my dad to win a championship this year and retire and ride off in the subset and golf. I'm telling you it's impossible.

He's obsessed with this. I think you're kind of that way too. You're obsessed. Yeah, I don't know if I know anything else. I don't know if I want to know anything else. And neither does he. I always ask him like, do you want to get in? He goes, let me stop you there.

He goes, if I'm happy doing what I'm doing now, and I like exactly what I'm doing now, why the fuck would I ever change it? He'll never stop. He won't stop coaching until someone pushes that door closed for him. Or until he has to do it, like what they want to do it,

but he does it on his own, like something where he's like 75. five years old and he's like, how old's Popovich? Popovich is old. He's like 70 something, right? In this year, this year with the Spurs,

I had to have set them back a little bit too. That was a rough one for the Spurs this year. I don't think so. I think he got actually, I think this year, I think this is a little break. I think this is a little break. He has no expectations.

They were supposed to be one of the worst teams in the league. Are you saying Popovich was a load managing? A coach load managing? I think they had a little coach load manager in the past couple years. I think Pop is now in a position

after a year and a year. year after like gearing up every game, every film is excrued, you're yelling, Genoblee and Tony in championship, like that's stressful. Right now, what they got cooking down there in San Antonio? There's no stress. There's no stress for him. He goes to work every day with a smile. Let's get the most out of these young guys.

Let's see which ones we like. You know, Kelvin looks good. Okay, okay, this guy's been a surprise. Let's draft this. They're having fun over there. They're about, and guess what they might get. They might end up getting that next Tim Duncan. You know what's crazy?

don't. I just can't even imagine these other guys that are in the draft. I don't know how familiar with the draft. Like, I think it's Wemby or bust for them. I don't, I think they need another superstar. Well, I like Scoot. I like Scoot. I like Scoot's pretty talented. They don't, they don't have a point guard either. I mean, they do, but, you know, man, fellow dukey. No, I said, I like him. I like him, but I'm saying like a superstar point guard. No, for sure. Yeah, you could, you can, yeah, they'd probably go Brandon Miller. I like Jones as a backup. I think he's a good guard, too. The Spurs guard. I like him. His brother, as of right now, is a starting point guard.

Tyos Jones is a starting point guard in the NBA. That's why their record's better when it's him instead of job. I think he's great. He's a really good point. He's a really good point. He should. He should throw a ratio for four straights and things or something. He deserves a starting point guard spot somewhere.

Yeah. I think he would thrive. I think you put Tyos Jones on a team, a decent team. He gives you 15 a night, up points. They don't give you eight to 10 assists. Low turnover. Solid. Solid.

Solid. Solid. Solid. Solid. Solid. No drama. Professional. Everyone likes him.

Everyone plays well with him, most importantly. It's a winner. Tice Jones is a starting point in the league. And I like his brother, too. He's younger. So he still, remember, Tyos Jones for the longest time was a backup until he got to where he's at now.

So, you know, maybe his brother's on the same path. But yeah, I think they get Victor. And then, you know, that's like his new Tim Duncan. I know they have two different games, but that's like his new prodigé. I mean, that guy, you see what they did together. I don't think he has stress right now. But yeah, my dad coaches until that time.

I think he coaches till 70s. No, no problem. God willing, you know, health and everything. I think my dad coaches as long as is tell us health an issue. I'm serious. Would you ever, if you wanted to get into the coaching, would you join one of his staffs or do your own thing? I would probably want to do my own thing just because I've already done the whole collab.

It went well. It was a good collab. It was incredible. Yeah, I didn't do the collab. There's only a negative connotation behind it because it's never been done before and it's never been seen. Yeah. And there's never been an opportunity even for privilege or nepotism in sports. So to even see the opportunity there.

Yeah, collab was crazy. It's like Travis Scott and Drake in the studio. Yeah, yeah, no bullshit. Yeah, that's the only reason is negative connotation behind it. It hadn't been seen. The fact that there was an opportunity for even a possible nepotism to slide in of a guy doing favors, even though that's not what it was. I was a lottery pick. That's why I've been in the league seven years after that.

That's the only time it's happened. And people who don't really know basketball don't really get to understand that. Doing it after again coaching, now you're like circling back. Now you're busting at you turn. I don't know. I mean, I'm already too far down the street, man. At this point, you put your foot on the pedal and you keep going the opposite direction. You know what I'm saying?

See at Thanksgiving. Yeah, I'll see at Thanksgiving. There's no way I'm busting to you. And then I know it's back there. I had good times. We both did. Let's just move on, bro. What about Brani and LeBron playing together?

That's going to be a whole different kind of collab. Do you know what's interesting about the Brony? And you know what is interesting about that is how much positivity it has right now and how much it will change as soon as it happens. Well, if he gets that opportunity and people are just going to start, yeah, 100%. They're going to crush him. Yeah. Well, right now everyone's looking at it in the eyes of LeBron.

Wow, LeBron's going to play long enough. to play with the son. That's why it's a positive thing. And it's like exciting. LeBron's going to keep going. And oh, wow, a son could play. Everyone, I don't follow Bronny close enough. But from what I've heard and what I've seen, he's a pro.

Or he has potential to be an NBA player. That's what I've heard. He's a McDonald's All-American game. So clearly he has potential. Committed to USC. Clearly has talent to be an NBA player, right? So that's fine and that's legitimate. As soon as he plays for his dad,

especially if he gets drafted, and I mean not plays for, him, plays with him, and I should say for him because, you know, it's brawn. Credibility changes, especially straight out of college. People forget, I was a lottery pick in the NBA. I wouldn't drafted by my dad. I got into the NBA without my dad. I got into the NBA top 10 pick after being 8th C freshman player of the year at Duke. I did all that.

I'd earned it in the NBA. And then I got traded for low, for pretty much nothing at the time. and it was really a win-win for the clippers. Either I worked out well and things went on or I played bad and they were going to boot me the next year. I mean, that was the conversation to have with my dad, and that's the truth of the matter. This situation, if he gets drafted straight out by the Lakers, bro,

it would be so hard on him, bro. And it would just be hard on him. I think people would turn on him. I really do. I think people who've liked Bronny will see that. And it's just common. It's so easy for someone to not be relating to what that is. for a guy to play for his dad and the whole privilege,

the neptism, all that bullshit that people get mad at. People hate people that come from something. They do. Why, I don't know. I never got why the rich kid gets made fun of him. He's the rich kid. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah.

But that's what's going to happen. They're going to like point in him. Well, these teammates are going to be softy with me. There's just so many different ways that. That's why I'm just telling you, it wouldn't be, it would be weird, man. And I don't know if Bronn. I mean, I haven't talked to Bronny. I can't speak for him.

I know LeBron wants it. Rightfully so. He's a dad, man. And everyone wants, you know, that's my goal. If I got to play it, it's nothing. My kids are too young. But if my kid was 15 years old right now and he was a star, I'd be like, yeah, I'm staying in the NBA. I'm trying to play with my son.

That'd be sick. It's going to be really cool moment. It would be dope as hell. I'm for it. I love it. And I know this because we know Bronny's a pro or a pro prospect. So that's legitimate. We know the bronze is one of the greatest of all time, if not the greatest.

That's legitimate. Playing together on the Lakers, that would be fucking fantastic. That's never been done before. I've seen it with Griffey and Griffey Jr. you know, in baseball. To see it, you saw him hit home runs back to back that one time. Like, seeing them together doing a pick and roll or like LeBronk come down, drive and kick it to Brody for three. I can't wait to see it.

It would just be something that I don't think anyone can ever get used to. Yeah. That would be amazing. On the flip side of that, people would be very jaded and just, I know how it is. They turn on them. They turn on you, bro. They turn on you. I was the most beloved high school person in the world.

So does I play for the Clippers, turn. I just can't wait to see the LeBron I leave to Brony. That's got to be the best feeling. Yeah, that would be sick, man. Either of them throw an alley-you because they both go get it. Brian and go out there and dunk on someone to them. Well, brother still be dunking by then too. He's, he's, yeah, that would be cool.

That's the only thing I have to say about that is he just, not that you should never care about what people think anyway. But my God, man, the media with the Lakers and that whole story, especially if he doesn't play with, like, bro, it's just, it's a lot, man. That would be a lot. But I'm four. I would love to see it. Awesome. That's a good place to stop. Love chatting with you.

Today was a good one. I like it. It was definitely a good one. I was at F1 with Jo Keem, Noah, and Drew Gooden. Joe King. They both came up to me and talked about the pod and I think they're going to come on soon. Oh, that would be amazing. Drew Good is all time. I would love to have Drew.

He has stories of stories. He's awesome. So many stories. And Joe Kim would be great. Joe Kim mentioned more than once that he wants to do this. I mean, what's so good about Cleveland? We'll definitely dive into that. So great talking with you, man.

We'll do it again next week. Yep, sounds good, brother.