The Ringer NBA Show - Would the Bucks Give Giannis a 10-Year, $1 Billion Contract If There Were No Salary Cap? | The Mismatch

Episode Date: July 10, 2020

We discuss the NBA bubble food photos that leaked on social media and the most recent roster additions for fringe playoff teams (2:11). Then, we open up the 'Mismatch' mailbag to answer your questions on which NBA players deserve a Pat Mahomes deal, which players are the most intriguing X factors during the playoffs, and whether the 'Mismatch' crew could beat Zion in a 3-1 matchup (28:31). Hosts: Chris Vernon and Kevin O’Connor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The Cam Chronicles. The series premieres Monday, July 13th. Welcome to the Ringer NBA show. I'm Chris Vernon. And joining me as he does every Friday from the Ringer.com is Kevin O'Connor, A.K.K.E.K.O. Kandelion. Kevin O. Kavana. Kevin O'Connor. Kevin O'clock. What's going on this Friday, Chris? The star of restart. Now, don't get a big head on me. Okay. I won't. I won't. Did you watch the Wizards video this week? Did you like it more than this? Oh, thank you.

All 20 minutes? Of course I watched it. What are you talking about? You're my co-host. I mean, who doesn't want to hear about the Wizards for 20 minutes? I mean, so like, I think, let me explain myself. I feel like the Wizards video, the reason why I liked it this week, and by the way, go check out the Wizards video that we did this week.

It's really about Bradley Beal more than anybody on the Ringers YouTube channel this week. I feel like Bradley Beale, it's about all. everybody because everybody's watching the wizards right now even though beel's not there because they're either going to be that next team like we talked about earlier in the week that's contending or blowing it up and there are the crossroads more than maybe any team in the NBA so I'm going to tell you something and I'm going to prove to you that I watch this video because you know what surprise me because I don't I don't keep up with all the quotes that are coming out of

these things and so people have to take deep dive so you find out the thing that surprised me is, and I know everybody is always very positive about their players, but I was a little persuaded by the Tommy Shepherd quotes about John Wall. I really was. Like, because would you throw yourself out there? Wouldn't you kind of ride the fence? Like, we're hopeful that he can get back to what he was. But instead, he was pretty confident that John Wall can be awesome again. And Tommy is a straight shooter. And Scott Brooks, I didn't have the quote in that story. But, but Scott Brooks himself also pretty much just said like, Wall looks amazing.

I have confidence he's going to come back better than he ever was before. And it's like, damn, like they wouldn't just be saying this. Unless they really felt it. Like, he might not. John Wall might come back and not be the same guy, but they feel like he will be. And it's just hard not to look at that situation and think, this is a team that this next coming year,

assuming we have basketball next year, let's hope we do. They're going to be one of the teams to really watch. no matter which team you root for in the league, because either your team could be trying to trade for their star, Bradley Beale, or they're going to be that team that surprises everybody and becomes really, really, really good. So I'm just interested in them.

And like, with the bubble and the game restart, you know, coming up soon, they're not going to be that exciting to watch, but some of their young guys, I'll be keeping an eye on at least. Well,

we are about three weeks away now from it all starting, hopefully. and everybody's pretty well touched down in Orlando. And it's been interesting because the stories of the past few days since we last spoke have all been about food. It's pictures of the food. It's what quarantine life looks like. You've had some players give like a tour of what their hotel room looks like,

which has been interesting. You have also seen. You've had J.R. Smith's show everything. And get kicked off of Instagram live. He's the best. He really is. Do you see that? Do you see that live last night?

I saw the clips of him going through the menu and I was laughing by the ass on. It was incredible. But at the end of it, he's like, oh, I just got the text message. I've shown too much. I got to get off. So I don't know if someone from the NBA, the Lakers that booted him off. But like, I guess when the food, the stack box arrived at their doors, you know, all the Lakers were like standing inside there.

you know, hotel doors kind of like laughing about it. So like they weren't next to each other, but there was like social distance between them. But anyway, fact is somebody wasn't happy with J.R. Smith's showing everything behind the scenes. I'm glad he did though. It was great.

One of the guys did an entire tour last night that's up, the video's up. Ben McElmore. Yep. Ben McElmore did an entire tour of his room and everything. The NBA blanket they gave all the players, that looks so comfortable. I thought it was funny.

I would love one. well they also they had like a gift bag right with like headphones and stuff like that in it but i thought it was i thought it was interesting because a lot of those rooms were like two double beds and one of the beds was like put up right as to make more room uh within the corners um i don't know but like let's just say um i'm trying to think of somebody that would be like like Joe Allen B. can't be in a double bed. Like that can't be. You know what I mean?

Like all these hotels in the different markets, they've got what is equivalent to an NBA floor. There was a story last week. Someone posted a photo from one of the Disney hotels with beds being shipped in. So I'm assuming that there were some king-sized beds brought in in place of the double beds, the double twins, whatever they are in there, double queen beds.

So I'm sure there are some. Have you ever seen like an NBA hotel? Like they a lot of them, okay, a lot of them that are within a vicinity, they'll have one floor, right, that NBA teams typically use. Like for instance, there's a Westin that I've been in. And the Westin, if you go in, the beds are like 12 feet long. And the funniest thing is the showerhead is like 15 feet in the air or something like that. so that the shower would hit them like it would hit a normal person or something. I mean, like for me, I walked in there and it was like, oh, what's the old,

honey, I shrunk the kids or something. Like, I just felt like a child. It was like I was five years old. I'm like, look at the size of this bed. I'm like looking up in the shower head all the way at the top is hysterical. It's like a waterfall on you. I want to check that out. now. I mean, I get me on the NBA

floor. Yeah. You could probably request certainly in the off season tell all our listeners. Just find out whatever floor they typically reserve for NBA in the off season. And you could be there because the beds are huge and the shower hands are like on

the ceiling. It's hysterical. So we've got the food thing, everything. We have not heard, at least that I know up, and I'm sure there's up. I haven't seen any complaints. because you know the first person that like really complained. Just Rondo.

Rondo said he called it a motel six. Which I mean, there's no way. Yeah, it's better than a motel six. Let's be serious here. I think the tone players take matters here. For the most part,

like besides that and like some of the pictures of the food, which kind of speaks for itself, at least from Troy Daniels. Everything else since then. Troy Daniels posted the first photo. and it looked like airplane food or airport food. And everything since then has looked pretty good. But as Joelle and B did say, he's like, I'm going to lose weight if this is all I eat.

I think after the quarantine period, that's when the chefs start cooking food. They get full meals. They can order what they want. It's just for like the 36 to 48 hours that they're in their hotel rooms by themselves that the food is being brought to them and they don't have a choice. It's just catered from the team nutritionist that puts the menu together. Well, and I saw the list of, you know, they're all like Tillman Fertita restaurants, but there's a bunch of good restaurants on the list.

To be clear, you know, Haley O'Shaughnessy from the Ringer reported last night, though, that the NBA does have partnerships with many black-owned restaurants that just has been announced yet. So a lot of them are Tillman-Fertita restaurants, but there will be far more restaurants to come. So good on Haley getting the scoop on that. But the ones that were announced, I mean, look, if you could. if you can order Morton Steakhouse for your dinner

it ain't a Motto 6 I let's say I ain't nobody eating Morton's in a motel 6 But with Ronald though Like you never know Varano's being serious or sarcastic You never know Never

I mean isn't he the one that jumped on you Well he didn't Yeah so we were in the locker room I've told the story once before But like we were in the locker room It was a Celtics Lakers game and this is like five years ago maybe and he turns to me

and he goes you've been saying shit about me and I'm like no he's like you're that Lakers you're that Lakers reporter right? I'm like no I cover the Celtics beat he's like no no no you're that Lakers reporter that's been saying shit about me and I'm like

no I'm a Celtics reporter and they just kind of turned away after that kind of glared out of at me. And that's it. That's all that happened. Another time he stared me down in the hallway while we passed, you know, I think he was establishing him. His dominance is the alpha. I turned away first. Did you feel very beta? I turned away first. So I kind of did. Yeah. And I have told that story. I have told that story to other reporters and they have said that he's done the same thing to them. It's very interesting. Oh, he just stares at that. So we got to find the reporter. We just

he was walking one way down the hallway. I was walking the other. We kind of just locked eyes. And you looked away. Kept locking eye. I looked away first. Yeah. And I've been told that he's done that to the reporter.

So Rondo, fascinating guy, used to be a great point guard. And by the way, did you see the hype earlier this week about like Rondo looks great at practice? He looks rejuvenated. I want to see it.

Yeah. Let's see it. I used to love Rondo, man. One of my all-time favorite players. Now, with Avery Rondo is sitting out. That year that he was playing for the Bulls, he was giving the Celtics a problem before he got hurt in that series.

And then- Played off Rondo is a real thing. No, you remember, he showed up in that Pelican series and was awesome. And it was like, this is real. Like, this dude turns it up.

I'm telling you, like I brought this up on Rucillo's pod yesterday. You want to see it. I'm not buying it until I see it because Rondo was not good this season. Right. Especially in the defensive end of the floor. But the fact is, this playoff Rondo's real. And so, like, if the Lakers can get that, it further will boast what they are already.

Because you're replacing Bradley, who is a good perimeter defender against smaller guards. You could use them against Damien Lillard. You could use him against John Morant. But if Rondo can turn it up on defense and be active, you know, facilitating the ball on offense, that's a positive player for you. The defense is the key part for him. Yeah, well, and they really need it because Bradley's not going. For sure. right so i mean rondo's big enough that you can throw him on two guards if he can play great defense

which this guy he is one of those that he does get the benefit of the doubt where it's like oh he's dicking around during the regular season you feel like he dicked around during the regular season when you see him in the playoffs because he cranks it up he's a different guy he plays differently you know and so if he is if he is playoff rondo if he still got that in him that that's a whole another problem that the Lakers could possibly present. The other thing that came out this week is the Nets having to put together a roster. And so you saw we had discussed last week about different guys for their team not going. Of course, updating that Spencer Dinwiddie we found out this week is not going to be going.

And so look, this could certainly be the Karras Levert show. I read the other day that when he had been in the lineup without the other guys, without Dinwiddie and without Kyrie, he'd average something like 32 points a game. So it obviously becomes he's treated as the best guy on the team when those guys aren't there and gets more shots when those guys aren't there. They added some fun names. I will say this.

You know, like look, we just kind of discounted like, oh, great. Now, you know, the Wizards don't have anybody. there and the nets are going to be down a bunch of guys. No Genwitty, no DeAndre, no Kyrie, no Durant, no Wilson Chandler. So if you're going to throw together guys that are like, you know, available, at least the whole Jamal Crawford Michael Beasley thing is fun. You know what I mean? Like that kind of root for the fun of it. And imagine if they can hold on, which you think they got a good chance of holding on to their playoff spot. That would be like that actually makes it a lot more fun to watch if Jamal Crawford and Michael Beasley are playing.

They're the bubble nets and I'm excited to watch them all of a sudden. I'm changing what I said on Tuesday about not being excited to watch them. I am officially excited to watch the Brooklyn Nets. Jamal Crawford, by the way, like he, I mean, everybody for weeks, months, the whole past year has been saying somebody's going to sign Jamal Crawford, 51 points in the last game. He stunk last year for the most part. However, I will say this. His last three games were really good.

He had like 28 points, 26 points, then 51 points when he actually had, you know, 25 plus minutes in each of those games. He was really good. So, like, hopefully for Jamal Crawford, he's better than he was over the first 50 or so games he played last year, which were not good with Phoenix. I'm rooting for him to continue on playing well. And then with Beasley, I mean, like, Beasley's, he's had some good moments throughout his career. I mean, we'll see, like, these guys that have been kind of castaways right now, what they can do. So, you know, it'll be fun to watch those nets. Okay, so two things.

First, and I think I've probably mentioned these before on an episode long ago. First thing, Jamal Crawford, I love Jamal Crawford. And part of the reason I love Jamal Crawford, not only is he insanely fun to watch as a basketball player. He's awesome. One of the great ball handlers we've ever had in the league. Beyond that, I have been told so many times, and I am personal friends with a couple of different people, when he won sixth man of the year, a few years back, he went out of his way and got the voters. He found out who voted for him for six man of the year.

And he called every single one of those people personally and thanked them. I have never heard that from any player in my life. He went out of his way and went and found the phone numbers. and I'm talking like team broadcasters and stuff. He found the phone numbers of people and called them and thanked them for voted for six men to be. He didn't, look, you've won the award. You don't have to do that, right?

He just, by all accounts, a great, great guy. And that's just one example, right? The other thing is, Beasley, that's a name that slipped my mind the other day. Do you remember when we got, was it last Friday that we got the, or I mean, maybe it was last Tuesday? got the question about underachieving player, he is a great one. Oh, yeah. I mean, Michael Beasley, he came right after Duran in the Big 12 and like broke all these

records. And Duran had one of the greatest seasons I've ever seen for a college basketball player. Beasley was an absolute monster. And that particular season, if you go back in time, all year, he was the number one pick until Rose killed everybody in the NCAA tournament. And then Rose became the number one pick. and Beasley ended up going second. But, I mean, Beasley, he just not even close to what his potential was.

And it's very fascinating because weird timing in terms of his career a little. Sometimes we say the guy was like before his time. Like what would he look like now? There are guys now. Like we saw, there's a great example of like we watched in real time within three years time. Greg Monroe go from the most touted free. agent and everybody wanted him to the game has just passed him by right like this just went being another guy too yeah this just went the whole the whole league went the wrong direction on him it's the reverse with

beasley right small ball with a guy like that it can rebound like he can and it can face up like he can and i mean it was honestly the tweener went from being a pejorative to what you want to what you want. That's the way basketball is. And, you know, he just, he never got it together, right? He never got it together. He was drafted in what you would think would be a positive spot to have success with the Miami Heat, with the good culture, and all that stuff. So there's not, there's not much to blame. It's not like he got drafted by some rat team that misused him. It was just, you know, but I mean, look, he's still kicking around and we're going to see him playing in the bubble. Michael Beasley, of all people.

It's going to be fun to watch those Brooklyn Nets until they get blown out in the first round, either by Toronto or the Celtics. Or Milwaukee if they fall to the eight. That's right. I may have said this before. Fisdale told this story one day at practice. David Fisdale, he said that they drafted him at Miami and they went to the gym for the workouts. This is at Summerlee. They went to the gym for the workouts and Beasley's not there.

and like the workouts at like 10. And they're like, where is he? And they call. And they call. Somebody has to go to the hotel, knock on the door, get him up and get him over there, right? They show up at the gym. Westbrook's been there for two hours and is drenched from head to toe by himself. And they were like, oh, crap.

Like, you know what I mean? It was one of those moments where it's like, we just had to wake our guy up. And the guy that was taken forth, he's soaked to the brim. And he's been here since six in the morning, like working out. Right. And it's sometimes even those moments very early, you kind of, you kind of see like the difference between the guys. For sure. Speaking about Westbrook, him and James Hardin and Luke, Bob Mutei and Rocket's assistant coach, John Lucas.

None of them traveled with the team to Orlando yesterday. Interesting. And you know what? I'll at least say they didn't. I hope the guy, nothing's wrong with Kauai and the family and whatever. But when I saw the story, I did find that insanely coincidental, right, the day that you fly out. I think a lot of these guys saw that food and were like, wait a couple of days before we get there. I hope that nothing's wrong, seriously wrong.

But, I mean, hell, we have been off, you know, for so long. And now they're all flying out. And a couple of these guys, they're going to show up just a little bit, like. later. I mean, hopefully it's that. The least amount of time you have to be there,

the better, I would think. Well, hopefully it's not. Hopefully it's that and hopefully it's not a positive coronavirus tests. Oh, that's for sure, right? You never know. You never know. I mean, we haven't gotten the update this week yet about

the number of players that tested positive in the last week or we don't know if any of tested positive. And really, like this next week or so is pivotal. It's pivotal here that. because of how long coronavirus can stay incubated inside you and not be revealed as positive on a test, this is the time period here where, like, somebody could slip through. So hopefully it doesn't happen.

I do want to ask you about this. There's very good reporting from Brian Winhorst and Tim Bontem's that came out. And it was about putting together next season. And one of the topics that they brought up, and I would encourage everybody check that out because it's very good. Really great article. what does the NBA do next season? And I thought it was fascinating because they obviously came to a conclusion and came together, the Players Association and the League, on how to pull the rest of this off.

And now they're thinking about next year. And one of the things that seems likely that they might do is to go to the idea of cap smoothing, which is what the league wanted to do the first time around in 2016 when there was, was the massive jump in the salary cap. And so the idea would be that instead of a steep drop where they're just cutting the money back, that it would be they keep the cap artificially high for this upcoming season, potentially around the current $109 million to achieve the needed 50-50 split for every player taking an equal percentage pay cut.

Currently, 10% of player salaries are held in escrow during the season to balance any discrepancy. Now, that being said, not only in these last couple seasons, but players have recouped that entire escrow and they've gotten upwards of $300,000 more paid back at the end of the season because revenues for the league being up. And so what they're saying is maybe what they do is they increase that escrow amount perhaps to 20% for one season. And then they do the, after artificially inflating the cap, then they smooth it out afterwards and they try to figure it out rather than

screw the teams that are, screw free agents, right, that are up for it right now, maybe even screw a guy like Anthony Davis that could sign a deal that starts at $32 million a year. Or anybody in the rookie class too. Right.

And the salary caps for the rookies are determined based off, the salaries for rookies are determined based off the salary cap itself. So they'd get screwed for years. This actually sounds, though, extremely likely to me, doesn't it? Because we've talked about how hard it would be to make the cap really low next year. Because that's not how you plan, right? And Adam Silver said this at the very beginning.

Our collective bargaining agreement was not built to deal with a global pandemic. And so now it's figured out. And I think the idea of for next season making that cap artificially high. I mean, look, these owners all know, nobody's going to operate in the black next year. They're just not. And so what do we do for the one season? And this seems, it seems like that could be a thing

where people could agree to it, and it wouldn't be a huge fight. And the reason that that's important is because we just saw another professional sport, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, until they finally, you know, the commissioner has to say, okay, we're playing 70 games or whatever, right?

Yeah, I mean, it's the type of thing. where like this has been for really the past six weeks or so, just kind of floating out there as a possibility. And it does seem like, you know, Wind Horse and Bontems where they're reporting suggests that this is something that's getting more traction. And to me,

this is the fairest way of doing it. You know, when you think about guys that already signed their deals, like Ben Simmons and Pascal Seaccombe, with their deals are based off the percentage of what the cap would be, maybe they wouldn't have signed those deals. So, you know, I think it is fair for players to do it this way, and it's fair for teams to do it this way as well,

considering what they would be doing with the, you know, potential change with the escrow amount, with what's withheld, as you just mentioned. So, you know, if revenue ended up hitting, you know, beyond what they expect, you know, players wouldn't have to give anything back. Or rather, it wouldn't be continued to be withheld from players. but maybe like with TV revenue,

maybe fans are allowed back in arenas sooner than expected, right? Then players would get all their money that they sign their contracts for, which you want to be dealing with the situation like we are right now with money being withheld from players. So hopefully, I mean, that's something that works out.

Personally, I think it's a no-brainer. I mean, if you're telling the number one pick this year, if James Wiseman gets drafted first this year, you're really going to tell James Wiseman, your rookie contract is going to be for four, million because of the cap dropping and that you're the rest of your contract for the next four

years it's going to be with the small increases each year only because this year's cap is down i don't think that's entirely fair to any of the players and the way to do it is do you make it artificially high for now and then see how things go over the next year the next year or two for that matter i did laugh at the part of the article where it said and i they had uh rival gm quoted in there. It was not lost on everybody that the first time around, the cap spiking enabled Golden State to get Durant. And then this time around, if they go to the cap smoothing, the team that it probably benefits the most, given their salary cap, is actually the Golden State Warriors. I mean, that is hysterical. That doing it that way helped them the first time and now doing it this way could save them the next time, especially because their, their luxury. tax bill was going to just be an

outrage. Oh, my God. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then that's the other side of it, right? I got like a 144 million on the books or some credit. Oh, that's what, you know, Bon Tempts and Windhorst alluded to not just goal and save it, Philadelphia as well. These teams that are, you know, if the cap were to drop and they have these enormous

salaries on the books that would be unchanged, you really screw those teams. So keeping the cap artificially high, to me, is the move. I mean, there's a lot to discuss, you know, for players, Players Association and for the league to negotiate. But to me, that should be the end goal here is keeping it artificially high.

I agree with you. All right, Bobby Wagner, what do we got this week in the mailbag? We got some good questions? Yeah, we got some good ones. All right. All right. First one's about this massive Patrick Mahomes contract. This comes from Josh.

Patrick Mahomes recently signed a decade-long extension worth over $400 million, and Mike Trout is hopefully about to enter year two of a 12-year contract that is worth over $400 million. for getting salary caps and limitations for a second if decade-long contracts were allowed, which players would warrant them and how much would they go for? Janus. Yeah, Janus, that's the easiest. Janus, for sure.

I mean, what is he? 23, 24? 24. 24. I believe. Anyone else? Janus is the first one, for sure. Zion.

This is 25. Happy 25th, Janus. He turned 25 on December 6th. die on it's a little late it's a little late there you'd give a 10 day or you give a 10 year to zion

100% yeah Luca um Luca yeah for sure how much would they go for you figure like a max contract now is like all the way up to like 45 46

in some of those later years now I don't think that look I'm of the Darrell wait for it mori Oh, my goodness. I am from his school of thought, which is you cannot overpay the great players. Yeah.

You overpay the mediocre and the crappy. You're not overpaying when you've got a great player. And so whatever the number is to max, that's what I give those guys. If that's the question, right, who would I give 10 years and the maximum amount I could? I would give it to, I would cert. I think I'd give it to Ben Simmons. do. I do. I think I would give it to Jason Tatum for sure. Open market. Open market. No salary cap. NBA suddenly becomes baseball. How much does

Janus get? He signs the next contract. What's the deal? A billion. How much annually? A billion. I think it could be too. I don't know with that. I mean, my home's just got half a billion. So yeah. I mean, this guy's playing. Yeah. I mean, of this last draft class, obviously Williamson and Morant. I would give both of them 10-year deals. I've seen enough that I would give both of them 10-year deals. Of the guys that are young in the league, Tatum, Janus, I mean, look, inevitably, we're going to forget somebody. Luca, people are going to say, what about, what about?

But, I mean, these are the ones that... There's a lot of guys. There's a lot of good players in the league right now. And by the way, I wonder if the NBA will ever bring that back, those seven-year deals. Will the Players Association ever fight for that to come back? And I do wonder, you know, with everything changing, right now due to the pandemic.

When you think about the next CBA, whenever they actually fully renegotiate the CBA, whether it gets ripped up this year or whether it's in 2024 when the current one is up, will the players and the league at that point decide we need to future

proof our CBA in the event of another pandemic? And no one I'm getting at is have deals be a percentage of the salary cap rather than be set money amounts. So a guy Maybe so. I wonder if that could happen.

I wonder if some players will want the option of having longer deals too. Because the problem with the long deals in the past is by that fifth, six, seven year, either the team's getting screwed because a guy sucks at that point or a player is getting screwed because his deal is worth so much less than it would have been had the deal been based off percentage of the salary cap. So I just wonder if maybe players might want that at some point. Here's what I would say. the big reason that you're fine with the contract length and we won't have that in the NBA again

is because they're guaranteed. That's it. Football's not guaranteed. Look, Alex Smith just got injured, right, after he signed a big deal, and then he's gone. And who knows if we're going to see him as an NFL quarterback again? I mean, look, we hope Mahomes makes all of that, you know, $455 million, and we're getting to watch him, play football for the next 10 years. years. There's a really good chance he doesn't see a huge portion of that money. That's the difference. In the NBA, you suffer 120 million. Guess what? You get $120 million, hell or high water. Tobias Harris is going to get $180 million, whether he sucks or not. You know what I mean? Whether he makes an all-star team or not. Whereas NFL players, you know, you could keep in mind, Cam Newton's playing for pennies this year.

This guy once signed the biggest contract in NFL history did Cam Newton. And so you don't get to, like, that's the, I would much rather have the guarantee, much rather have the guarantee than years and possibly more money like Mahomes has. Because the chances, even Mahomes collects that entire $455 million is so low, so low. And with Mahomes, you know, the deals obviously can can go up to $506 million, but up front like today, only 63 million. Only 63 million. Who am? I, Warren Buffett. Mahomes, it's like even the 141 million guarantees is over the full 12 years. Yeah. But right now, today it's only 63. But like NBA and NFL and MLB, like it's amazing how.

drastically different the salary structures are in each individual league. And, you know, for NFL, in some ways, I kind of understand considering, you know, how quickly players flame out a lot of the time because of the increased injury risk, because of the nature of, you know, the NFL, you know, football being, you know, more violent sport with more collisions and everything like that. But it's like, it sucks that it is that way. It is fascinating. You sign a deal, it should be guaranteed.

But it's just, it's a complex. complicated issue. It's fascinating how different they all are. Bobby, you're a big baseball guy. You know this. I mean, they just, they just crap on their young players. It's awful. It's awful the way baseball works. Chris Bryant makes 600 grand. He's a freaking MVP. You know, it's crazy. It's insane. Like, you don't get money until you're, in many cases, not worth the money you're going to get. I mean, I'm a Cardos fan. Albert Pooleu's got $100 bazillion from the Angels, like, after all of his prime years. I mean, like, it's crazy. the way it works. And like he had so many years where he's getting paid less than a million

bucks and he's the best player on the team. And owners have started to exploit that in baseball too. So you wonder how that might play out in other sports too. They started to exploit that by not giving the second contract. They also, Bobby, they don't bring you up. So they get that extra year. Well, that's a whole different thing. I know, but it's just awful. It's awful with baseball. I mean, baseball is just a different deal than the other two anyway. Ultimately, NBA probably I mean, the NBA does do it better for the players than any other league. Absolutely. You know, I know about it.

And that's why, like, when it comes to resuming play here and why a lot of players feel urgency to play, is because you don't want to have that CBA ripped up and renegotiated. Like, this isn't like, I don't want to, like, instill fear here. Like, we don't know what a new CBA would look like if it were renegotiated. But the fact is, is that the owners in the league would have leverage here if a new CBA, if the current CBA were terminated. and if a new one were renegotiated. If you're renegotiating that during a pandemic,

it would be bad news for the players. We don't know how bad. Because the players are starting in a good overall place right now. But I would worry if that were to happen, the ripple effects it would have over the next, you know, however many years. And to your point, of all the leagues, guess whose league has the best relationship

between the league and the players association? I mean, that's not lost to you. You know, I mean, like, the best deal for the players is clearly NBA. players, it is also not lost that they, their players association and the league are able to work together much better than the NFL and Major League Baseball and their players association. They all end up hating each other every time. I would love to see if for one year or in some alternate universe somewhere out there, the NBA

with no salary cap, because it is the most fascinating sport to see how superstars would get paid because they have the biggest impact other than maybe quarter. back in the NFL. Yeah, but I will say this, Bob, we've moved a lot closer to that. We really have. We're a lot more. When you look at a lot of these teams, the guys that make a ton of money and then the guys that don't make that much money.

Those middle ground contracts are a lot more hard to find. And that's why you always hear Marcus Smart's name came up in trades all the time because you need guys like Marcus Smart to make trades work. There's not a lot of guys in that 10 to 15. it's kind of the haves and have not. You got a lot of 30 millions and a lot of 2 millions on these teams. You're right. Those deals have kind of faded away.

I think you're right, but Mike Trout makes $45 million a year average annual value or whatever. He should be making based on his baseball value, like 70. So I think someone would actually pay that for NBA stars because there is so much

more of a respect for what one superstar can do in that sport in terms of translating to winning, translating to titles. So, like, Janus would get his actual value, but Mike Trout is not getting his actual value. Mike Trout had one shit. But how is he supposed to win shit? He's the only guy.

You want to pay him more? You know, me? Like, we got to have the rest of a theme. Hey, at least they're on the right track by hiring Joe Bad, and I'll give him that. Right? And he's probably making that up with his big endorsement with Super Pretzel. I swear to God, it's the funniest thing ever. You guys know what Super

pretzels are, those things you get at the grocery store? I got my kids love pretzels. I bought a box of super pretzels. Mike Trout's on the friggin, that's the only time I've ever seen an endorsement that he does. I think it is Powerade too. He's like the best baseball player in the world

and I see him on a box of super pretzels and that's the only time I ever see him. I mean, everybody recognizes Mike Trout is one of the best greatest baseball players ever. However, when it comes to stardom, you know, in relation to ability, there seems to be the greatest difference

with Mike Trout than any athlete that I can remember, right? Anybody in the history of sports, nobody has been better and less well known than Mike Trout. That's what I would argue. Oh, Mike Trout could walk down any city in America and there would be,

there'd be a couple of baseball fans here and there that recognize him, but he could go out in public in non-baseball cities and not be hassled. with. Yeah. I mean, this is such a fraught conversation that we in the baseball world have all the time about how could you make Mike Trout more famous. But like, at the end of the day, it's a regional sport. The NBA is a national sport. The NFL is a national sport. Baseball is a regional sport. Baseball is a regional is a national sport. Baseball is a lot of these sports. That's how you do it. I mean, that's true. The most famous baseball players are, he doesn't get recognized. I mean, that's true. The most famous baseball players are, he's the interesting case. I mean, the way you make him more famous is, put him on the Yankees of the Red Sox or one of these teams. That's how you do it. I mean, that's true. The most famous baseball right now is Aaron Judge. Yeah, right.

Put him on after, how about his games are on sometimes before everybody's asleep in the rest of the way, you know, in a way, Mike Trout has, Mike Trout has the qualis personality

in the sense that he doesn't want he's famous. But we do see whether it's Russell Westbrook in Oklahoma City or now Zion in New Orleans that certain players in small markets or smaller markets can still have that national level

of stardom and recognition that some guys, don't want to have because they don't want to have it. Like, Kauai didn't in San Antonio and still doesn't know with the clippers for that matter. You know what's crazy? And I saw him during this quarantine, I can't remember who it was. I want to say it was like a Nike thing. Maybe it was Brooks Kepka or somebody like that.

Did like a quarantine interview with Trout that I watched. He was not an uninteresting interview. Like, I mean, he was like, Matt Scherzer was like the filthiest pitcher he ever faced in his life. Like his answers were all, you know, good answers that I was in. interested in and I was like, geez, this is like the best Mike Trout interview I've seen. And then I come to think of it, it might be the only one I've ever seen. Not on. Dude just wants to play baseball and fish.

All right, let's move on. Okay, we got a question from Jay. Here in Ontario, COVID is nearly snuffed out. If the trend continues into next year, and there are a very limited number of cases, if any. Could you see the NBA letting the rafters having fans in the arena while other teams cannot? Stretching it out to other regions if an area has zero cases, would the NBA allow fans in a case-by-case basis depending on the city. And then a follow-up, if so, what kind of advantage would that give the home team?

I imagine playing in empty arenas everywhere, then all of a sudden having 10,000 people in the next arena would throw off a visiting team quite a bit. In that same Bond Temps, Windhorst article, which we talked about a little earlier, they did have something in there about arenas and allowing fans. And the belief is, according to sources, they said, in a recent meeting with Team President, deputy commissioner, Mark Tatum, shared that the NBA's current plan is to allow local governments to regulate crowds at sporting events. That opens the possibility that revenue could be disproportionately influenced by the policy views of politicians. End quote from the article. Yeah, I think it's safer to have a blanket policy, don't you? I do.

But I also like, you know, in relation to the question, like, if theoretically Toronto has no cases, let's say all that, let's just say this is not going to happen. Let's say all of Canada has zero cases of coronavirus come next season. I mean, Toronto could play games. I mean, they could play games just like we saw New Zealand hosted sporting events too. But the problem is,

and this is, again, the issue here, why it's probably easier to have the blanket solution, like you said, Chris, were you flying players to Toronto and, you know,

theoretically a player could have it? Then like a fan could get it affected. I don't know. I mean, like, we don't even know what next season is going to look like. Are they going to have to do another bubble next year? I don't know. The other thing is in some place like Toronto, which is a massive North American city, the economy is not greatly affected by those teams, you know, play, right? There are people that have those jobs. There are businesses within the district that certainly depend on.

That is nothing like, I tell you this is someone who's in a small market. There would be so much more pressure for a team like the Grizzly. or I've been to Oklahoma City, The Thunder, New Orleans, I've been to New Orleans, smoothie king centers, right downtown. I mean, there are a lot of businesses that it would certainly be, especially the smaller of the city, the more times people that own the restaurants or own the businesses or whatever are people of great influence, right? And those, it will affect the economy in a massive way if there are fans in the stands

in those smaller markets. more so than in the bigger markets. And that would be, to me, that would be the scary part. Because what you would see is you would see a lot of, you would see a lot of smaller markets be much more likely to say, we're okay with having pay in the states because they know how many people are employed. How many people are employed at the restaurants where everybody is going before and after games or the bars where people are going before and after games?

I mean, it does have a massive impact on the economy in small markets. I don't, I don't, and, and so I think you could make foolish decisions based upon that, right? As we, we have with this country made foolish decisions based upon that, right? Saying, hey, we don't want to lose this, you know, like we can't just shut everything down. We can't have places everybody filing for unemployment. Like, we got to get back to doing something. And we felt that pressure to and now we've gone the wrong direction again. Yeah.

Yeah, you don't want to be in that business if you're the NBA. I agree with you. And this makes me think about another fantastic article this week by Tom Haversstrow and NBC Sports. He wrote about the NBA's testing procedures down in Florida. They're using this lab called, I think, bio reference. And the NBA and MLS are both using that line and using that lab. And they're at the front of the line. You know, they're getting their test back within a day.

However, like reading the local news down in Florida, people that are their tests are being sent to bio reference or experiencing delays. Interesting. And getting their test results back. And that raises, you know, the ethical questions about like, should sports leagues be getting their testing back before, you know, regular people? There's one story about like a 74 year old cancer survivor that had a wait like five, six, seven days to get their test back.

And by that point, like the test results really aren't that valuable considering the amount of time that passed. And, you know, when it comes to what you just said, I, I was just thinking about also an article I wrote a couple months back about the NBA's testing protocols and like it's coming back now about like the how ethical it is for them to do testing. It's just infuriating that we're still at this point without enough testing. Again, that's also another failure of the government to still not have enough testing. We're testing a lot. We're testing millions and millions of people. However, there needs to be even more testing and there can't be delays in having a testing response. And you know, when I was reporting that, you know, when I was reporting that, you know, when I was reporting that, you know, story out, one of the people I talked to, a doctor from a potential, a place that the NBA had considered for testing, he said to me that the way they envisioned future sporting events looking is that you pay an extra amount of money to receive a test that could like be your ticket to going. And I don't think that would necessarily be an ethical thing to do either. And I'm also not

sure how exactly that would work. Do you show up the morning of? Do you show up the day before? It doesn't seem realistic to me. But that's just something. I'm only saying that to say that is something that people have thought about as a way to get people back to events, back to churches, whatever it might be. And to me, that seems like a band-aid solution for the problem that we're all facing. And like what we're in right now, man, I have a hard time envisioning like sporting events with fans or concerts or anything like that for a long time, man, like until late next year. And that's hard to accept.

but it's just what I see happening. It's got to the point where I just get down on my hands at ease and I pray to God that somebody comes up the vaccine. That's where I'm at. I mean, I just pray somebody. I know that it's probably a long shot, but that I wake up one morning and they found a vaccine. Yeah.

And not just a vaccine. Getting us to act right on our own as a country seems unfortunately implausible now. And not just a vaccine, but a vaccine that's like, you know, at least 99% effective. And really? And a vaccine. And I know. I get it. Yeah.

And a vaccine that even anti-vaxers are ready to take. I know. Which is a whole other issue that's going to come up. I mean, it's, I don't know, man. All right. Let's get the more fun stuff, Bobby. More fun stuff, Bobby. Fun stuff.

Give us a fun one. All right. We got a good question here. This is from Jake. Which X Factor? players are we not disgusting enough that have potential for major impact in the bubble postseason? Okay, that's a good question. Brandon, Brandon Clark.

No, I'm just, how dare you? I'm kidding. I love, he's an X factor. Why don't, I, why? Maybe you should say Zion, Kev. Have you talked about him enough? By the way, it's quick aside. We also got a question, I get to pull up your name.

I'm sorry, but we got a question. saying they're disappointed that Zion got the cover of NBA 2K and not Luke up who's already an MVP candidate, right? And it's like a good point. Like it seems to me that NBA 2K, uh, that they have found their, their golden boy, Zion Williamson. It's a little more exciting to put the dunk on the cover rather than like the step back three that's lightly contested.

Hardin was on the cover recently. Hey, here's what I'll say. Is that what it took? It took the 2K thing. not them being on national TV 30 friggin' times, even though he wasn't even playing. Not him, not them scheduling him,

literally opening night of when the league comes back. Like they scheduled him. The night it comes back. You think they got some stock in Zion? I mean, come on. Hey, and let me tell you this. As someone who has a 10-year-old, they, of course, they all, you know,

they like Luca, but Luca's just like any of the other stars. Yeah. Dion is a godlike figure to every little kid. He is. By the way, that question was from Alex. I hope Luke is on a cover for you eventually someday, Alex. In terms of X factors.

I'm going to give you one. Yeah. And this guy made the All-Star team so it might not be fair. But I say Bam Adebayo, and this is why. The reason is because Bamadabayu obviously got his accolades this year for the first time. He was a big breakthrough player within the NBA. Okay. When you have to deal with the big men that you're going to have to deal with in the Eastern Conference.

And I am a massive Jimmy Butler fan. And I think Butler is the kind of guy that you want in your foxhole come playoff time and could maybe be the best player on a team throughout the series. I think about, okay, who's running with him? And you're going to have to get some contributions from guys that don't have to. have a ton of logged NBA minutes like Tyler Hero, like Duncan Robinson, like Kendrick Nunn, these kind of guys. But I look at it and say, if Otabayo can be that dominant force, then all of a sudden, that Miami team, I look at them filled with dogs because they got Jay Crowder.

They got, you know, obviously we'll see what Igudalo looks like when they come back. But, I mean, they've got a roster of a lot of rough and tumble guys. I think they're playoff built. I do. And so if I think Butler's your alpha, your 1A, then who's that guy next to him? To me, out of bio. I think that could flip the Easter conference.

I would not be shocked at all to see Miami in the Eastern Conference finals. And he's a guy that could punish a good team like the Celtics and slow down maybe like an MB or a Marcus Sala or Seacob. I love Bam, and I'm glad you brought him up. I'm going to go with two other bigs. And again, this is for Alex Dayla Cruz, who asked the question about the NBA 2K cover.

Maxi Klieba and Dwight Powell on the Dallas Mavericks. You got Powell coming back, one of the league's best lob threats. A solid defender, good overall player. Kleba, who can shoot threes for you, a versatile defender with size. You look at

Dallas and, I mean, if you're thinking about championship sleepers, it's hard not to think about Dallas. Luca, top five player this season. KP. If he's able to stay healthy and be KP at his best. They have some good role players in depth. They have Rick Carlisle

at head coach, a proven head coach with experience and a really great system. I wouldn't pick Dallas to win at all. I mean, I'm picking the Lakers because they have LeBron James and 80, but if you're thinking sleepers, Dallas has a shot. Usually teams really

have to take their lumps though. And Dallas this will be their first go through. Usually. Usually, but Luca is not a usual player, though. I know, but Kevin, it will be a different deal for him when a team decides we are going to make his life hell and make Porzingis beat him. I promise you that will be a storyline. Oh, God, they're going to get the ball out of his hand. I agree. I agree with you.

I agree. And that's something I've been thinking about because next week's video of the restart is about championship sleepers. So I've been doing research ahead of time about Dallas. And like I was thinking about Luca, they're going to get the ball out of his hands. But the Mavericks do do a lot off the ball with Luca that they could just start doing more often. And I do think there's more that they can do that they don't do right now using Luca as an on ball screener. Imagine Luca getting the ball on the short roll. He can score with skill.

He could find somebody to pass the ball to. He's like a better dream on green on the short roll. He doesn't have a Steph Curry to run that pick and roll as a ball hand. but he has his brother, Seth Curry. So, I mean, like, it could be something that Dallas incorporates, never mind the fact that you do have other good players that can get a bucket for you, whether it's KP or even Tim Hardaway. Dallas, like, they're going to have to adjust,

but I'm very excited to see how Carlisle adapts in that postseason setting, because I'm willing to bet that we're going to see Luca take those lumps that you're mentioning, but I would also bet that we're going to see a new dimension to Lucas game that he hasn't had to show very consistently because of the fact he's so dominant with the ball on his hands. But he's also dominant without the ball on his hands too, is my point. The other one that I mentioned, I said, bam, so that's the east.

In the west, I'd say the two guards at Oklahoma City. Shea Gildjus and sure. That's good. I mean, because with those guys, that small ball thing with the three ball handlers, that has been a bitch to deal with. And Paul was the, I mean, he was right there at the top of the league in clutch performances and clutch players this season and come playoff time. So many of these games come down to the end.

They've had really good games against the best teams. I don't know if they'll knock somebody really good off, but I think they'll put the fear of God into somebody really good. I do. I think it will be six, seven games for sure in series against Oklahoma City. And Gil just, you know, he's just a, he's a through everything. He really is. He is awesome. Awesome.

I'm so glad you guys brought up Dallas and your answers here. And so is Cole, who wrote in our next question. Five minutes of Dallas talk, and you guys didn't mention this guy, this is going to be tough for Cole. You have your respective islands for players that you think have been given up on, but could have some talent left. Do you think Michael Kid Gilchrist has anyone on his island other than myself? He hadn't done much for the maps after being inquired, but I'm imagining a five with him, Luca, Christ,

top Seth Curry and Maxie Kleber where he could be a defensive menace against the best wings while finishing easy baskets generated from Luca and the elite floor spacing around him. He shot 14% in his nine games with that was one for one for seven from the floor

0 from three from three. I'm sorry Cole but yeah. Absolutely devastating for Cole. You're Tom Hanks and Castaway. man, with a little kid Gilchris bobblehead. Seven minutes of Dallas talk, not one mention of MKG. Look, man, I, if Kid Gilchrist had a jump shot, I would believe in him. This is a guy, look, you know, I love these kind of guys.

And I freely admit, the game passed them by. And when you get to the playoffs, you're dead when you're playing a guy that literally can't score. he's not a mega athlete you know and like you you talk about like finishing and like cutting and whatever like a lot of those guys they you know if you don't respect them shooting from the

outside or you don't even put somebody on them then that's what they do and a lot of those times those guys are like really good athletes at doing what they do kick you Chris is not a great athlete and he is also I mean you're playing four on five

you just are and that that destroys you in the playoffs. It does. And so I would love for, we talked about how the game passes you by. We talked about Hibbert. We talked about Brayman Row, these kind of guys. It happened with Gilchrist too. It went the wrong way. Guys like him were very valuable 15 years ago, maybe even 10 years ago. But now they just, you know, teams make you pay so much for having them out there. sorry Cole tough for Cole you're the last one

you really are have a good weekend Cole I'm the kind of guy that would have been on your side but I I mean good grief you see that shot God it's the ugliest thing

in the world that's right it looks like when I don't know if you ever saw are you too are you too young for saved by the bell really hurts

I've never I've never done the kid Gilchre I'm doing the kid Gilchrist jump that hurts are you are you too young are you too young for Save by the Bell or no?

I never watched. There's a character on there, Screece. It looked like when Screech was trying to fight somebody. That's what it looks like when Kid Joker shoots. Should I insert a laugh track into this show just because Kevin and I don't know what you're referencing? Yeah, you should. Please, Bobby.

Oh, but there's somebody my age that caught it. He would put his hand. Hey, I'll show you guys on the video. This is what he would do. Screeks, this is how he would fight. So he was getting bullied, right? He was going to fight, and he put his hand in front of his face and what he would went like this.

And that's how he was punching. Yeah, so he wouldn't get hit in the face. So that's what he'd do. He put his arm through there. That's what it looks like with Kit Gilchrist trying to shoot. Okay. I'm going to watch a video over this afterwards.

One final question. This is a fun one. I'm glad you guys asked for fun ones. This one comes from Jonathan. Speaking of Zion. Who would win in a three-on-one basketball game with Chris, Kevin, and Bobby Burr. versus Zion. What?

We would get destroyed. Yeah, it wouldn't matter. If Zion has anybody else. What's the strategy? Yeah, what will we do, guys?

Let's game plan here. How about this? I'm going to go a step further. I'll help this guy's question. Zion versus any 10 people from the ringer. Besides J. J.J. J.J.

doesn't count. No current NBA players, right? Yeah. or Vince Carter. Shout out to Vince. He's retired technically, so that's right. Exactly.

Yeah. It's all right. What do you talk about? We would not score a bucket unless we hit a jumper. Even if we would have to like pass the ball around the perimeter, right? Yeah.

No, it was possible that we could score. We would not score much. But it is possible because there's three of us. We would never stop him. Absolutely not. No. It'd be,

we don't be like hanging off his ankle. Nor would I try. I don't get paid enough to try to stop Zion Williamson from scoring a bucket just because I'm the producer of the mismatch. It's like those things like you remember when people used to say like, oh, let me think of somebody that was like punishing. Like Garrett Blunt, right? And then it's like, what would it, what would I have to pay you to stand in front of that?

Right. He gets a hand off and it's you and him and he's going to go to the goal line. Derek Henry. No, like that's really. Oh, yeah, Derek Henry. That's a good one. You know, that's how it would feel. If I saw Zion coming at me, like I don't even have pads on on a basketball court.

He could maim you. You know what I mean? It's like Jerome Bennett's at the goal line. Yes. It just, yeah, no. We would get, not only would we get destroyed, we would get hurt. Yeah.

This whole conversation is for not, if none of our listeners, Photoshop us three, onto the cover of 2K getting dunked on by Zion. I would love that. I would print that out. Even though they have you download games these days, I sound like a geyser.

Getting my Xbox a couple months ago, you know how you download games, you don't have the little disc anymore. I'm going to say something. You know what really made you sound like a geyser? Saying the word geyser. Why? I haven't heard that in 20 years.

And I'm the geyser. Who says geyser? That old geyser. What do we? Sounds like something I'd hear on the Andy Griffith show or something. Oh, he's just an old geese. Doesn't Google have like a frequency of word usage in American or British English? Nobody says geys.

I want to look up how often geysers you. Leave it to Kevin to make this an analytics argument. What is it? Like, It doesn't Google have a thing that Geiser has said one for every five million conversations. Dude, nobody says Geezer anymore. Except to you.

Hey, bring it back. Bring it back, Kevin. I brought something back. I brought good grief back. I brought goofy back. Bring them back. I brought rat team back. I bring them back.

You're full of it. No, you're full of it. What are you talking about? Use over time, according to Google. It's at a peak right now. It's at a peak. It's at its peak. No, it's not.

There's a, yeah, it is. Well, because of the coronavirus? I'm going to send you a link right here. No. Putting in our Zoom chat. Hey, Google. That's a horrible looking link. Let me get a Google link shorter.

What a nerd I sound like right now. I don't believe you. Game me a second. He really is bringing up stats on us, Bobby. This is some bullshit. You got to be kidding me. You have got a dude. What?

I'm going to take a screenshot. I have anecdotal evidence. In every conversation, I don't know, Every conversation I've ever had in the last 20 years, no one's used the term. Look at this screenshot. I've sent you guys. No, I'm not looking at it. Open that up.

Look at that. Look at that. What's it from? Use over time. Geezer on Google. Nerdtalk.com. Huge, huge upward trend since like the 1970s. What are we measuring here, though, Kev?

Like, is this like Google hits overtime? Because, like, it's just from way more people using Google. I don't know. For all of our listeners overseas, who are going to say, I use Gieser all the time. You know, I'm sorry, in this case, don't tweet me if you live in New Zealand,

Australia, or Great Britain. Only Americans. Here we go. That's where they say it. This is from Google Books. Google Books searches every book that they have from 1800 to 2008. Nate.

It's like me saying wanker. You'd be like, let me search. Let me, I can search for American English too. Let me search for American English. No. Same thing. The King James version. This is too good.

I'm done with this show. This show sucks. Okay, okay, geezer. All right. Thanks as always for listening to another episode of the mismatch. Bobby Wagner, our all-star producer, Kevin O'Connor. I will talk to you on Tuesday. Looking forward to. Have a good weekend, everybody.