The School of Greatness - 361 Larry King: What 60,000 Interviews Taught Him About What Really Matters

Episode Date: August 1, 2016

"I never learned anything when I was talking." - Larry King If you enjoyed this episode, check out show notes, video, and more at http://lewishowes.com/361

Episode number 361 with the legendary Larry King. Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin. Welcome everyone to a very special interview on the School of Greatness podcast.

We have the legend himself, Larry King, here in the Greatness Studio in Los Angeles, California. Now, for those that don't know who Larry King is, he is a world-renowned radio and TV talk show host who has won numerous awards throughout his lifetime career. He was the host of Larry King Live for over 25 years on CNN and now hosts Larry King now on his own web series. He has interviewed the biggest celebrities and world leaders throughout his career and has received several honorary degrees. He's also an author, a heart disease survivor and incredible philanthropist. Now I had the pleasure of connecting with Larry a couple times earlier this

year, but then met his stepson, actually, who plays Arena Football League as well, and we had a lot in common. And his stepson's actually the one who helped me get Larry in. So we brought him in here to the Greatness Studio. We had an incredible time. And here are some of the main things that we talked about. First off, I didn't know how funny Larry actually was until I met him recently. So Larry shares with me two of his favorite jokes that he's got recently that I think you're going to love. Also, we talk about why Larry doesn't text.

He doesn't have a smartphone, and there's a reason behind it. What Larry learned from all the world-class athletes that he interviewed, the common theme that they all had that made them great, the story that gave me chills from one of Larry's favorite interviews and who that was, the one person that Larry wants to interview, but he hasn't yet been able to, why Larry doesn't want to die, and the story behind that. Also, the big question that Larry would ask God if he knew he'd get an answer. This was a wealth of information for me. It was an incredible honor to sit across from Larry, someone who's been doing this for 60

years, 60,000 interviews, and just continues to be a curious mind, to be someone who's curious to learn about other people, no matter how big or small their results or success is or how old or young, doesn't matter the race, where they come from. He is curious about human beings and he brings that curiosity out in every moment. And for me, it was an incredible honor to learn from someone who's doing what I'm doing and has been doing it for many years. And for me, I want to be able to have that curious mind as well. So loved this experience and such a great time connecting with Larry.

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So I hope you guys enjoy this one. Hope you cherish it as much as I enjoyed connecting with Larry and conducting this interview and kind of flipping the tables on him. And again, be sure to share this out. LewisHowes.com slash 361. And without further ado, let me introduce to you the one, the only, the legendary Larry King. Welcome, everyone, back to the School of Greatness podcast. Very excited we have the legendary Larry King in the house. Thanks for being here.

Hey, Lewis. Happy to be here. I'm very excited. And we met at John Asaroff's dinner party a couple of months ago. I don't know if you remember this, but it was at Wolfgang Puck's place. I remember it very well. Spago, right? Is that the place?

Yeah, we had that dinner. You were one of about 10, 12 people. Yeah, and we got to ask you a lot of questions. Yeah, it was a nice booking. It was great, yeah. A guy paid me. There you go, to have dinner. How would you like, I'll give you this, and you'll come and sit and have dinner, and 10 people sit around and ask you questions.

I said, that's what I do every day. Exactly. And I remember thinking. And it was fun. It was fun. I remember thinking, I wish I had my podcast set up to record this whole thing because the conversation was incredible. It was very funny. It was great, yeah.

And Wolfgang came in and said hi and told stories about what you guys used to do back in the day or whatever. came in and said hi and told stories about what you guys used to do back in the day or whatever. So first off, thanks for coming on. And I want to acknowledge you for the incredible work you've done. You've inspired me so much. I think you've inspired every interviewer in the world. I can't believe it myself. No, I do.

I pinch myself a lot. You know, next May 1st, I will have been on the air 60 years. 60 years? Yeah, I think I've done 60,000 interviews. Oh, my gosh. I always wanted to be a broadcaster. I used to dream about it when I was a kid, when I was five years old. Other people wanted to be doctors, lawyers, firemen. I wanted to be on the air.

I didn't think I'd be an interviewer. I finally got into it in Miami in 1957. I thought I would be a the air. I didn't think I'd be an interviewer. I finally got into it in Miami in 1957. I thought I would be a sportscaster. I loved going to Dodger games. But it worked out that I went from being a disc jockey into doing a show at a restaurant and started interviewing people. I loved it. I was so at home. Really? Yeah. We didn't have any guests booked. So I never knew what would happen. Every day was a surprise.

I just, people coming in one day, Bobby Darin walked in. Jimmy Hoffa walked in, Danny Thomas. And I got to interview this guy. I didn't plan. I didn't know they were coming. So I got to like the immediacy of it. I loved working live. Not planning it.

Not planning. I couldn't plan. Right. And then it went into television then we started booking guests and then i did radio and always did both my whole career always did radio did started the first national talk radio show on mutual broadcasting that was in 1978 and then in 85 ted turner came and hired me for cnn And then I did the first worldwide talk show. So I was kind of like a pioneer.

And then four years ago, I hooked up with Carlos Slim, one of the richest men in the world. At the time, he was the richest. And he financed our site called Larry King Now on Aura, and it was my wife's idea. And so we got this talk show on the internet just started our fifth year I do a podcast with my wife which we

will have you on love to and then just I saw I'm going to be 82 years old in November and I can't I can't believe I don't feel 82 I don't know where it all went I mean where did all the years go and all the people I've interviewed and I think of. People come up to me and say, you know, I heard your interview with Count Basie.

60 years. Wow. Count Basie. Yeah, I interviewed Count Basie and Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong. All those people. And seven, eight presidents. You know, and it's still. You've interviewed eight presidents.

It's still a hoot to me. I still love doing it. I still love asking questions. I also love comedy. When I do speaking, I only speak and tell funny stories. I do not speak seriously. I worked a lot of conventions. Tony Robbins is where I first saw you. I worked a lot of conventions. Tony Robbins is where I first saw you.

I worked on Tony Robbins. I worked on other self-help things. And I always go on and say, what am I doing here? I don't have any books to sell. I don't have nothing to sell. And I just tell stories. And Tony's wild to work with. Tony used to introduce me by starting on the stage and taking L.

Give me an L. And then he'd run through the audience, go up to the balcony, run across the balcony, you know, spelling out my name. Until he got down until finally Larry King. And I said that I think we ought to put a rocket up his rear and shoot Tony up to the clouds. He would not be happy until we sort of blast him off to Jupiter. But I had a lot of fun with Tony. And so I like doing this. In fact, that's one of my favorite things, to go out on a bare stage.

There's nothing like the high you get when you can make people laugh, when you can walk out cold, nothing behind you, no script, no play, no guest, just go out. So I did a comedy tour two years ago. We worked Boston and Miami and all over the South, and it was just great just going out on stage. We knew where we were going, whether it was directed, but a lot of times it would be ad lib, and I just loved it. going out on stage. We knew where we were going, whether it was directed, but a lot of times it would be ad-lib.

I just loved it. I loved going out there. A lot of my friends are comics, and I've always admired comics. I love interviewing comics. Comics see the world differently. They see things funny. So what is

not funny to most people can be funny to comics. And I've learned a lot from that. I learned timing. You know, I learned, you know, like certain cities, like Mel Brooks told me, there's certain cities that are funny. What's the funniest city? Albuquerque is funny. Why?

It's funny. Chicago isn't funny. Just the sound, Albuquerque. Oh, it's funny chicago isn't funny oh just the sound albuquerque oh gotcha yeah it's funny you know houston is funny dallas isn't fun i don't know why i'm just you don't even have to agree sure it's just part of the whole makeup what's the what's your favorite joke that you love to tell uh i've got if you can only tell one joke what's the one you would want to tell? It's some of the most recent ones I've heard. Well, I'll give you two.

Yes. There's a train that goes every night from New York to Chicago. It's an all Pullman train, all sleeper, leaves New York at 1 in the morning and gets to Chicago at 10 in the morning. Guy checks into his compartment and suddenly the door opens and a woman checks in. Now, normally Amtrak would not sell a single woman, single man to spend a night together, but it was the last seat on the train. The woman insisted she had to be in Chicago. So they said, okay. She got into the lower berth, the man got into the upper berth, and the train began its trek. After a little while, the man leaned over and said, I'm a little chilled.

Could I borrow a blanket? The woman looked up and said, you know, we're never going to see each other again. We're on this train for one night going to Chicago. We've got nine hours together. Why don't we just snuggle up a little? Why don't we play man and wife, you and me, man and wife? The guy says, sure. Guy says, sure. She says, good.

Get your own goddamn blanket. That's a good one. And the other one was, those are funny. Yes. In Oregon, this company that chops down trees is hiring people to chop down trees. A foreman is interviewing people. And a one-armed midget shows up, a midget with one arm,

applying for a job as a tree cutter. And the foreman says, you've got to be kidding. He says, no, I can chop down trees. He says, okay, here's an axe. Go out there, and there's a bunch of trees chopping down. The midget goes out, carrying the axe along the ground, picks it up, and whack, whack, whack, whack, whack, knocks down 20 trees in a minute.

Whack. He comes back, perform and says, you are the greatest tree cutter I have ever seen. You're hired. You're unbelievable. You're a one-armed midget. But where did you work last? He says, I worked the Sahara Forest. He says, you mean the desert.

He says, well, now. See, that's funny. The timing. Even going this way, going that way. That's, you mean the desert. He says, well, now. That was great. See, that's funny. The timing. Even going this way, going that way. That's funny. I like that. I love jokes.

That's cool. Who was the greatest comedian you've ever interviewed who made you just – Well, I have so many great – from the Don Rickles to the Bill Cosby in his prime was a phenomenal comedian. Jerry Seinfeld. But if I had to pick one guy to be really funny, it's Mel Brooks. He's 90 now. But he did The Producers. He did, you know, that great Western movie.

He did Young Frankenstein. But his mind, he did The 2,000-Year-Old Man, which is the funniest comedy album ever made. I was sent it first when I was in Miami, and I got to play it first. And I didn't know who Mel Brooks was. I knew Carl Reiner. And it was an album about a guy interviewing a guy who's 2,000 years old. And all of it was ad lib.

And I put that on, and I fell on the floor. And I would play it with Mel when I was with him, you know. You'd ask him anything about 2,000 years. Your guy lived 2,000 years. Sure. Interesting. And I started to listen to him. He said, you're a, he says, we're here at Idlewild Airport and a man is arriving who claims to be 2,000 years old. Not yet. He said, I'll be 2,000 October 23rd. What was your first language?

The rock language. The rock language. Can you give me an example of it? Yeah. Hey, don't throw that rock at me. Are you crazy? And it went all the way. Talk about Shakespeare and all.

Anyway, he's still that funny. His mind is that quick. So I would say, he's a, but Rickles puts me on the floor too. He puts me on a, Rickles. My wife opened for Rickles in Vegas and Atlantic City. And he's just, he's been kidding me for 55 years. Sure, sure.

What is it about people that still fascinates you? 60,000 interviews later, why are you still fascinated? I guess the word I would use would be passion. I have a passion for curiosity. I am not the kind of person you want to sit next to on an airplane. If you want to sleep. Yeah, because I want to just ask questions all the time. And that has never left me, which is why I love sports so much,

because I feel sorry for people who aren't sports fans. Because when I get up every day, like tonight there's 15 games in baseball. I don't know who's going to win. The wonder of it, who's going to win? What did they do? What did he do? What did he do? What happened?

Who got traded? Wow. So I love asking questions. But I also love the curiosity. Who's going to win the election? It's pretty fascinating right now. Yeah, but the whole thing is a wonder. I know everybody involved.

You know, that's part of it too. You've interviewed both of them. Oh, many times. Many times. You know Donald really well, I'm assuming, many times. You know Donald really well. Very well. I know Hillary very well. I know.

So all the – but the curiosity. I flew six months ago from New York to L.A. And on the plane was the president of Audi, the motor car company. I drove him crazy. a motor car company. I drove them crazy. I learned more about cars, building cars, how cars are sold, what they want you to do when you buy a car.

It was unbelievable. I'll give you some things. Ready? Sure. Always find out the day your car was made and never buy a car made Monday or Friday because on Friday they're anxious to go home and on Monday they just got back. Best day is Wednesday. Middle of the week they're anxious to go home, and on Monday, they just got back. Best day is Wednesday. Middle

of the week, they're totally into making money. Sharp. They're in the flow. If you're buying a car, the best way is to have cash. They want you to buy on time. Because the dealer makes half the money on the interest. The bank makes half the money, and the dealer gets half the money, and they're

charging like 4-5%. They don't want to pay. They want, they, you know, you're going to buy. So you go in and tell them you're financing. You know, you might need 48 months, maybe 56 months. Okay, so this price is 53. I could bring it, oh, I could bring it down to 47,000 for you. You're going to do 48 months. So it's $47,000. The price? Cash. Right. You beat them.

But these are all little things. I would ask him about why are there lemons? How come cars? Now, there's the anti-lemon law, which never was before. You know we have an anti-lemon law? What is that? You get a lemon, a car, you get a new car. Really?

If they can't fix it, they've got to get you a new car. That never was in the past. They keep trying. They give you a loaner. Now they've got to fix it. They've got to fix it or give you a new one. Okay. I like that.

These are little things I learned in the passing of life. By asking questions. You know, so I never learned anything when I was talking. That was my motto on the air. So I asked short questions. You know, so I never learned anything when I was talking. That was my motto on ESO. I asked short questions. You got to be a good listener. Often an answer brings a question. Yeah.

And if you're a good listener and you stay focused and you're naturally curious, interviewing is a great way to make a living. And you don't really prepare for your interviews. You never did. Well, what I do is I'll go over some notes. You know, naturally, with CNN, you're doing a worldwide interview and you're having a senator on. You'll go over some notes. But no, I don't do six hours or sit around watching videos. Because I never

wanted to ask a question I knew the answer to. So if I read so much about you... You already know everything. I already know everything. It's the opposite of the answer to. So if I read so much about you. You already know everything. I already know everything. It's the opposite of the criminal lawyer. The criminal lawyer never wants to be surprised in court. So he wants to thoroughly know what's going to be.

If he's surprised, he's done something wrong. I want to be surprised all the time. Where did that curiosity come from? Don't know. My brother's a lawyer. My father died when I was nine and a half years old. He was a refugee from Austria. He tried to enlist.

He couldn't enlist, so he was working in a defense plant. He was very funny. I remember that. I got it from him. I remember him being very funny. And my mother was a housewife, a wonderful woman. He died when he was... I don't know where I got the curiosity from, but I always had it. I had it

in school. Even though I wasn't a good student, I impressed teachers. I wasn't a good student because I didn't like being tested. I hate this. I was a pretty good student before my father died. After that, I sort of coasted. Who was more influential in your life growing up, or the most influential person, your mom, dad, or someone else?

The radio. The radio was my life, so I listened to all the Arthur Gottfrey's who I later got to know, and the broadcasters of the Edward R. Murrow's and the newscasts. I listened to the timber of their voice. It had a great effect on me because it was a every day. We didn't have television. Television came in like 49. I was born in 33, so I was 16.

When we got our television set, I was 17. So everything I got was through the mind and through the ear. So I was very attuned to voices. I hate texting. Right. I want to hear. You got the old school flip phone. That's what I have.

You can't really text that easy on that thing. I don't text. I can receive a text. Right. But to me, I know it can be important in emergencies, but it's mostly a cop out. Yeah. You can say no. You don't have the answers.

To me, I'm a communicator, and I love the art of communicating. That's what I do with my course. I have a course called The Art of – what's the title? The Secrets of Great Communication. Brendan Burchard, right? Yeah, Brendan Burchard, and it's called Larry'sCourse.com. You can go to Larry'sCourse.com. It's 10 different courses.

Cool. All based on my book, How to Talk to Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere, which is still in print. And so I try to help people through this course learn how to communicate. Because the biggest fear people have is public speaking. That's bigger than any other day of fear, flying, getting up in front of an audience. Were you ever afraid

to speak in front of public? The first time until I learned. I learned my first day on the air how to use it. And it was so simple to me. I was nervous as hell. My name was Larry Zeiger. I had wanted to be in broadcasting all my life.

I'm in Miami living with my uncle. And I get a job at a small radio station. Very small. What year is this? 1957. Okay. Be 60 years next May. Wow.

And they hire me, and they say, you're going to be a disc jockey. Play music, and you'll do news and sports in the afternoon. You got to work all day, $50 a week. And I'm starting on a Monday, and the whole weekend I can't sleep. I mean, I'm up, and I'm planning my records, what I'm going to play, what I'm going to say. I'm looking in the mirror. Good morning, good morning. I don't sleep. I mean, I'm up, and I'm planning my records, what I'm going to play, what I'm going to say. I'm looking in the mirror. Good morning, good morning.

I don't believe them. Now it's the first day, May 1, 1957. It's a quarter to nine. Didn't sleep all week. Weekend. I'm up, ready to go. And the general manager calls me in, Marshall. Marshall Simmons, great guy.

And he said to me, Larry, this is your first day on the air. We wish you the best of luck. It's a great, great business to be in, and you've got a nice voice. We think you can make it. I said, thank you. He said, now, what name are you going to use? I look at the clock. It's 10 to 9.

I go on at 9. What name are you going to use? I said, well, he says, you can't use Zyger. It's too ethnic. People won't know how to spell it. Now you'd have the name. If Engelbert Humperdinck could have the name, I could have it. Schwarzenegger, you're right. Yeah, of course. So he says, your name is Larry King. And you know how he got it? He had the Miami Herald open, and there was an ad for King's Wholesale Liquors. And he says, how about Larry King?

I said, okay. I legally changed it. And now I go in to go on the air, and I cue the record up, Les Elgard swinging down the lane. Da-da-da-da-dum, dum-dum-dum. I still remember it. Hot May Day in Miami. Records playing.

I lower the music down, turn the mic on, and nothing comes out. I bring the music back up. I bring the music back down. And I look at the clock. I remember it was like three minutes after nine. And I'm saying to myself, all my life I wanted this. And I'm scared. And I can't do it.

I'm too nervous. So the whole thing is blown. And Marshall Simmons, the general manager,'t do it. I'm too nervous. So the whole thing is blown. And Marshall Simmons, the general manager, kicked open the door to the control room, and he said, this is a communications business. Damn it, communicate. I turned the record down, put the mic on, and I can almost remember it verbatim. Good morning.

My name is Larry King. That's the first time I've said that because I've just been given that name. All my life I wanted to be in broadcasting, and this is my first day ever on the air, and I'm scared to death. You said this on air. I'm telling them. So I've got a new name. I've got a show to do for three hours. First time on air. We'll do news in the afternoon.

So please bear with me. We'll do news in the afternoon, so please bear with me. Now, later, such greats as Jackie Gleason heard that story and Arthur Gottfried, Johnny Carson, they all said, you discovered that day what the secret is. What's the secret? There's no secret. Be yourself. If yourself is going to work, it's going to work. You can't grab the microphone or the camera and make them like you. I can't make someone listening to us

now continue to listen. So all I can be with you is direct, answer what you ask, try to be conversational and hope that that works. If it works, now I've had 60 years, so something had to work, right? But I didn't go on planning that, boy, this is going to work, that's going to work. I just trusted my instinct. And every great broadcaster through the years that I've known, interviewed, admired, read about, trusted their instinct. Edward R. Murrow in World War II, unbelievable. Being London during the bombing. And I could, this is Edward R. Murrow, this is London. And you'd hear bombs in the background.

And that's why I love about radio, because radio, you can paint a picture that no one... Rod Serling once told me, the guy that did Twilight Zone, he directed and produced all of Twilight Zone. And he used to write for radio. And I said, well, what's the difference? When I write for radio, I could write, there is a long, dark castle at the top of this winding road that seemingly leads to nowhere. Little organ music behind you. And you can picture that castle any way you want.

Absolutely. You can picture that road any way you want. If. You can picture that road any way you want. If I do the same writing for television, they say, okay, Rod, what kind of castle do you want? We'll put the three-pointed castle at one point. You want a flat castle? So it becomes the imagination of radio is unmatched. Because you can use the power of the voice to do anything.

And it can take you anywhere. Arch Obler, the great director of Lights Out. Lights Out was a great, scary radio show years ago. I had him on my radio show. And I said, give me a description of radio. And he started to describe an insect crawling up my arm with seven legs and a green face. A little hissing sound coming on. He's at your elbow now.

He's climbing up the back of your neck. All he had to do was that. Right. And he was sitting there, and I got scared. You know, here at home. He used to do a show, Lights Out. It began this way. Sunday night, 10 o'clock.

Crawl under your couch. Turn down your blinds. Shut off the radio. And turn your lights out. God. A tale well calculated to keep you in suspense. Those were incredible days, and I benefited from all that. I benefited from all the drama, all the news, all the sports.

When I listened to Red Barber doing baseball, I listened to Vin Scully's first game. Scully learned baseball from Barber. I learned baseball from him. I see Vin all the time at Dodger games. He's 89 years old. He's been doing it for 67 years. I remember listening to his first broadcast.

So there's something about, and that's radio, baseball on radio. You can create the drama, because you got pacing other sports don't give you the pacing you got timing in between you got that to build anticipation

Red would tell you about the city he was in what's in Cincinnati where the clouds are in the sky you know the crowds coming in and the turnstiles really painted a picture that's what you. Really painted a picture. That's what you do.

You paint a picture. And so I can almost, Marty Glickman was a great basketball announcer. He was so good, I could see the game. I could see the game. You didn't need TV. Didn't need it. He got every pass right, where the player was, who the player was, what was it. He just knew it.

Did you do sports broadcasting ever? I did. I did. I did dolphin football for six years. I did color. I did the perfect season. I knew the Greases and the Kicks and the Warfields and Manny Fernandez and Nick Bonacani and Don Shuler's a friend.

Who was the greatest, your favorite sports athlete that you ever interviewed? There'd be a few. Ali would be way up at the top. Ali was the best. Did you interview him in his prime? In his prime,

I interviewed him when he won the Olympics. It's Cassius Clay. He was not the heavyweight champion he's the light heavyweight champion of the olympics in rome in 1960 he trained in miami so i was doing a local radio show he came on then he came on my television show then he was banned from the sport when he changed his name i remember the day he changed his name. I was at the weigh-in when he fought Liston. And he was acting crazy. He was going nuts. Yeah, you're going to fight me now.

And I met the medical examiner. And I said, I don't think he's going to show up because he looks crazed. The medical examiner said his blood pressure is normal. It's all an act. Amazing. His blood pressure was 120 over 80. Amazing.

He was, I put him way up there, but a lot of others too. Joe Namath was one of my favorites because he was always himself. Joe was great at that. But I've been fortunate to talk to Sam Musial. A lot of football players, a lot of football quarterbacks. I learned a lot talking to sports people because, well, the athlete has something we don't have. Their career ends when ours begins. As Joe Namath, there was a book about Joe called When the Cheering Stops.

I was with Joe two years ago in Cleveland. They had all the Hall of Famers there. He goes into a restaurant now. Some people recognize him, but my kids wouldn't know. The cheering stops. So you get to be 35, 36 years old, it's over. Whereas, you know, my career started to blossom when I was 43. You know, most of the, you know. whereas my career started to blossom when I was 43. And the athlete faces another thing that we don't face,

winning and losing. We do not have a daily final score. We don't have it. You could have ratings, but they're every six months. But the athlete, you go out to play. Every week there's a game. Every day in baseball. What was the final score?

You could have all these, six, three, you lost. They got six, you got three. It sucks. Every day you feel great or bad,

right? That's what I love about, Shula told me once, he couldn't be a, he loved baseball, but he couldn't be a baseball manager because he couldn't stand in the best of teams

losing 50 games. But the other side is you come back tomorrow. Football, you got to wait a week. It's miserable. So that's misery. Hurts. For a week. You're a football player, right?

Football player, yeah. The pain of football. I got to know it hanging around locker rooms and seeing pain, seeing concussions, which they now, of course, football is in long-range trouble. I wouldn't want my kids to play. I'm happy they play baseball. I'm glad I got injured in my wrist and not my head when I got out. My stepson, Danny, he still plays in the Arena League.

And the fear is, you know, you're going get hurt. I hate to see bodies getting hurt. The difference is in baseball, if anything violent occurs, it's an anathema to the game. If a guy gets hit by a pitch, blood is drawn, you feel terrible. Yeah. In football, you see that? Whack! Did he hit him? Whoa!

What a shot! Both helmets went to the ground. He hit him helmet to helmet. Oh, great. Get back up and do it again. That's right, great. Get back up and do it again. That's right. Let's get back up and do it again. Wow.

Okay. Who was the most fascinating interview of all time if you had to choose one or the most interesting person? Impossible. They're all interesting, right? No, they're not all interesting. When you get to people like Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Frank Sinatra, all the presidents, people who are just everyday people, people who are fascinating. People fascinate me. Why?

Because everybody has something. I'll tell you, I haven't told this in a long time. I'm in New York doing my television show, Larry King Live, and someone recommends you ought to book this New York City cop on. He's a captain. He's in the public relations area. He doesn't walk a beat. He goes around and talks to schools and groups.

So, okay, we'll have another PR kind of thing. And he comes in with a beautiful wife and a little son, except he's paralyzed from the neck down. He's in the wheelchair, paralyzed neck down. And we're talking. His father was a policeman. His grandfather's a policeman. He would love his son, who was only two or three, to be a policeman.

He can't feel his son. His son can kiss him on the cheek. He'd feel that, but he can't hold his son. So we get around to, listen to this, how he got paralyzed. He was a New York City cop, and they work in Central Park. And they've had a lot of bike robberies, the report. So the captain tells them that morning, look out for bike robberies. This tells a lot about our society.

It relates to right now, too. This story relates to right now. So he's in the squad car. They're driving through the park, and they see a black kid with a brand-new Schwinn. Schwinn bike. They pull over. The driver stays in the car. He gets out to approach the kid about the bike, and the kid shoots him.

He was right. He remembers the puff of smoke going up. Oh, man. And the ambulance comes. They give him last rites in the car, and he goes goes and he recovers, except he's paralyzed for life. Huh. Neck down. His child was a month old, his beautiful wife.

He loves cops so much he wanted to stay, so he's doing PR in a wheelchair. And one day he says, I'm very, I really want to meet the kid that shot me. Wow. They catch the kid or? Yeah, it was right there. The other cop arrested. Gotcha. Gotcha. The kid surrendered. Okay. And he goes to visit the kid. The kid's in jail. I think he got 10 years or something, attempted murder. And he visits him. He goes into his, and he says, why'd you shoot me?

And the kid said, I'm an A student. My brother was a bad kid, and he'd left town to go to Philadelphia, and he said, hold my gun. I was just holding it. I didn't even know how to shoot a gun. I was just holding it.

And I saved money delivering groceries for five years to get my Schwinn bike. Oh, my gosh. All I wanted was my Schwinn bike. And you were the 12th cop to stop me that day. So he says, can I ask you a question? Would you stop me if I were white? And the cop said, I had to admit, I would not have stopped him. So the kid just reacted out of anger.

And then the end of the story, he could cry as the cop gets the kid paroled in his stead. And that kid became a cop. No way. Oh, my gosh. So this could relate to today, blacks and whites and things. But his realization. Oh, my gosh. That what you understand about this kid had a new bike,

which is all he ever wanted, and they kept stopping him. So what I always try to do is put your, and what he did, put yourself in the other guy's shoes. Now, I don't say shoot everybody. Right. But in that moment of frustration, of feeling, my God, I worked for five years, saved up to get this bike, and they can't believe that I, a black kid, could have a bike. Hmm. It's a good lesson. It's powerful, powerful yeah so that's what i mean by learning yeah every day i learn i i've interviewed so many people with some blind people what's it like to be blind

it's fascinating to me george shearinger's a great blind pianist who didn't want to see he didn't want to see he was blind from birth and he said i didn't want to see. He didn't want to see. He was blind from birth. And he said, I don't want to see because every girl's beautiful. Wow. Every girl's beautiful. Every color is bright. All days are sunny. In his world, right?

In my world. He creates his own world. Wow. My own colors i don't have to i can envision what red is or blue or black now ray charles was different because he had seen he wanted it back he knew what he was missing you interviewed him as well yeah i've interviewed everybody is there anyone you haven't interviewed that you wanted to fidel castro i would love to i went down to havana some years back and we tried to get him because he fascinates me because he's led his country for over 60 years.

I think he's the longest-running leader ever. 60 years. Forget politics. Somebody must like him. You can't last that long. Wow. And then he took on a country 90 miles away, a thousand times bigger than his.

He was embargoed. I'll tell you what I discovered. You could look at things differently. Havana is a fantastic city. The people are so happy. They're poor. Really? But music is through the street.

You walk down the street and there's music. The hotels are jammed. People from Spain and Canada and Mexico and beautiful hotels. The airport is gorgeous. The cars are all 1957. It's really funny to see. But they'll build hotels.

Havana will be a major tourist stop. They'll wind up with a major league team in 15 years. Got a big population. Of course. They got great athletes. Number one sport is baseball.

What would you say is the biggest lessons you learned about yourself over the last 60 years doing this? From all the people you learned? Well, I'll tell you what I learned. Bertrand Russell, the great philosopher, Nobel Prize winner, when he was 95 years old, they were having a dinner in his honor, and someone said, Dr. Russell, what do you know? What do you know?

And he said, all I know is that I don't know. And so I would say that to you. I don't know. The more I ask, I mean, I'm wondered by all the things, but I don't know. The more I ask, I mean, I'm wondered by all the things, but I don't know. Yeah. I don't know what's out. We don't know if there's life on other planets. I don't know if there's a God.

I don't know. I don't have faith because I can't accept something. I've asked too many questions. I never got good answers. I respect all the religious leaders I've interviewed. I respect them. I've asked too many questions. I never got good answers. I respect all the religious leaders I've interviewed. I respect them. I respect them. But I've never got an answer to the question of explain the Holocaust.

If you're omnipotent, you could have stopped it. Explain the children dying. And the typical answer is we can't explain the ways of the Lord, which is a total cop-out. You're speaking for the Lord. Answer me.

You're his representative. So that bugs me. But that's part of not knowing. I don't know. And I admire people that know. I'm married to a family that knows where they're going. They know they're going somewhere after they die. It's amazing to me.

I wish I had that. I can't make that leap. It just makes no sense. Right. Huh. It just makes no sense to me. I wish I had that. I can't make that leap. It just makes no sense. Right. Huh. It just makes no sense to me. There's no logic to it. But it's a belief.

Yeah. And you can't argue a belief. I can't make them believe. They can't make me believe. It's a choice. I can't make them not believe. It is a choice. Yeah.

And you make that choice, and it's part of the world. More problems have been caused by religion than of religion. There's a lot of pain and suffering and war. And everybody believes that. You know, the guys who took that plane in 9-11, they're believers. Of course. Aren't they? Of course.

They believe they were right and that we call them fanatical yeah they didn't think they were for them so they believed how do we know they're not somewhere i don't think they are right but they believe they were so all of life is a mystery to me to have the answer to that mystery is amazing i don don't have the answer. I'm curious. Here's a question I've always been curious about people who've had this experience. My father is still around, but he had a very traumatic car accident when I was about 22, 23 years old that essentially he's not the same guy anymore. I can't have a really emotional conversation with him. You know, we had to teach him how to read and write.

He just has amnesia. He can't remember things. It's always the same conversation. It's just not the support that I had growing up. He's there physically, but he's just not the same guy. And he can't work anymore, but he's getting better, but it's just still not the same. And when that happened, I kind of always had this idea

of after playing professional football, I would have, like, my dad to be there for me in this backup plan. I had to go work with him and I'd have the support. And when he was essentially gone, I kind of had to figure it all out on my own. And I had to, it was like I didn't have a backup plan. And I was very driven from that point. And none of this would have been created in my life without that experience because it made me be like, I've got to step up. I've got to figure this out.

I've got to do it now essentially on my own. I had support and mentors, but I don't think I would have been this driven in my life if my father was still around. Without that experience of losing him essentially. So you used the tragedy. I used it to become better, to learn, to grow, to master myself, to figure out how to make money and things like that. Now I'm going to interview.

What did that teach you? That's a good question. Well, the question I was going to ask you was, do you feel like that affected you when you lost your dad to be this driven? To be this driven and where would you be without that? I always wanted to be in radio even when I was younger. But sure, maybe it drove me. But...

Do you feel like you'd be here now? Had I not gotten radio, I don't know what I'd have been because I had no skills. I mean, well, I could talk well. But had I not found radio, I probably would have been a stand-up comic. I had no college. So you thought you would have still been in radio even if your dad was around? Yeah, probably. Still be in it?

I don't know if I'd have been a success. You know, that's the old action we talk about all the time. Left turn, right turn. I went out of the house one day and went into Manhattan. And a friend introduced me to a guy named James Sermons who was head of announcers at CBS. And I said to him, I really want to break into radio, Mr. Sermons. What do you recommend? He says, go to Miami.

It's a big city, a lot of stations, no union. So there's either old guys on the way out or young guys on the way up. You're not going to run into a 40-year-old great talent. You're 22. Knock on doors. I went down. Now, the question is, what if I didn't run in to James Sermons?

Then what? How much longer would it have taken? How much longer would it have taken? Would there have been another? Now, someone told me... What would be your name? What would be your last name? That's right. Someone told me there would have been a different Miami. But if you have talent, you will out. You will make it. If you have talent and

passion for what you do. Someone asked me, what's the one trade all successful people have is passion. They have a passion for what they do. How do they find it? That I don't know. And they love getting up and going to work. In other words,

they can't wait for the day to start. What about the people? I love the morning. Yeah. You do personally? Oh, I love morning. Yeah. We have breakfast one morning.

Yeah. My wife spells morning with a U. She don't get up in the morning. She mourns morning. She sleeps. Yeah. I like the morning. I like the day ahead.

I like having something to do. I hate it if I've got a day. What do you do? Nothing. What is nothing? Nothing to do. I love work. I love the feeling of accomplishment.

I love the whole ball of wax. And I don't want to die. Don't want to die. If I could fall. Well, yeah. My wife said, well, if I were frozen, you know, cryonic, you come back in 200 years, she said, you wouldn't know anybody. Right.

I said, I'll make new friends. Yeah, yeah. Start asking questions. I like living. Because of curiosity. Who's going to win the World Series? Who's the next football championship? How's Kevin Durant going to do in Golden State, right?

Get Pittsburgh Penguins repeating in hockey. Who's going to win the election? Who's going to? You're curious. If you die. You don't know. You don't know, and you don't exist. You don't exist.

Just your legacy exists, right? That's it. Yeah, I know. But, for example, Sid Young was a dear friend of mine. He was a great – I grew up with him. And he died last year. We just had a dinner for him the other night. Fourteen guys sat down to have dinner.

We had one chair empty. It was for Sid. And we talked to Sid. We talked – so technically, we're keeping Sid alive. And that made us all feel good until I said, you know, Sid doesn't know this is happening. Right. We're keeping Sid alive, but Sid ain't alive. Sure.

But he's not feeling pain, but to not exist and picture not existing for eternity. Never coming back. In this shape, form, whatever. You ain't coming back if there's another life you don't know you don't know and by the way if you think there's another life you can never be wrong because there is another life or you die you never know it so you can't be proved wrong never know it sounds like you're you don't know the answers to a few questions oh i don't so i'm curious if you could know 100% certainty

of whoever, God, whatever, it's like this is the answer to that one question. What would be the one question that you would die to know the answer for? Do I go on? Sure.

Because again, I want to be around. I want to be curious. I love to be a spirit. If I had one power, I'd like to be invisible. Why? Oh, ho, ho, I'd like to be invisible. Why? Leave it

at that. Leave it at that. I could play shortstop. I could be standing behind a shortstop. I could fly in jet planes. I could visit actresses' homes. Think about that.

To be invisible is enormous power. You have all the money in the world. You go into private meetings and find out what stock they're buying. That's true. Don't make it happen. Go to Vegas and take money. There you go. Put it in your invisible pocket. If you did

know that we went on, would you do anything differently? If you didn't know that you lived on after this or... I'd be happy to hear it. I want to know how do I go on as, you know, what am I? Am I a spirit? Am I in a body? You know, what happens to my body?

If I die, what happens to my body? There's so many unanswered questions. And for somebody who knows, so if I could know that, but there's no way I know I could know it unless someone who has died came visit me. I haven't had that happen. I've never had that near death. I had bypass surgery. I had no near death experience.

No, see the light. I didn't see no light coming through the wall. I just, I don't, I wish I could. Who's the person you interviewed that you felt like knows the most or has the most answers or is the smartest? Probably the British guy who has Lou Gehrig's disease. He's lived the longest with it. What's his name?

Stephen Hawking. Stephen Hawking with the black theory. And he was fascinating to me because he types out all the answers, you know, because he can't speak. But he's a genius. And I asked him, Stephen, what is something you know nothing about? And he said, women. And that is the universal truth. Right.

This I believe. And I don't want to hurt anybody out there because I mean this lovingly. Please believe me. I mean it lovingly. All women are nuts. Including my mother. You say it lovingly. No, you got to be honest. My mother, my

daughter, everyone I know, they're all. If they could be more like men, I mean men could be nuts but extreme. But the average guy ain't nuts. He ain't nuts. You know what I mean?

If my friend forgot my birthday, who cares? I know that Venus and? Sure. If my friend forgot my birthday, who cares? Right. And they have, I know that Venus and Mars theory, I accept that theory. That's the biggest puzzle to me is women and the way they think. Because I know they think with a different part of the brain than I think. And it's really logic is not their word. Logic makes no sense. Sure, sure.

Okay. Here's the worst thing you get from a woman. All women do this. No man does this. No man does the following. You walk into your house and there's your wife and she looks sad, glum. What's the matter? Nothing. No man would say nothing.

A man would say, let me tell you. Right. Will you tell me? There's nothing the matter. Will you look like you're, stop it. I told you there's nothing. Don't speak to me. What are you supposed to do in those situations?

I don't know. Have you figured out that answer? One of the answers someone told me is when you get up every morning, just turn over to your wife and say I'm sorry. That's it. And you cover yesterday and today. I'm sorry for everything I did and what I'm doing. Because whatever it is, she's got something. Wow. And you say I'm sorry. So

the whole world is fascinating, isn't it? And you're looking for greatness. What is greatness? My definition? No. Because I'm going to ask you here in a second. That's the final question I ask in all my interviews.

My definition, I think it changes over time. I think when I was in high school, it was to get a girl to like me and play college sports or whatever. But I think now, as a 33-year-old man, it's to discover and pursue my dreams and make the maximum impact in the world in that pursuit. That's what it is for me. And I think it's different for every person. It's not about how much money I make, but it's about… I never sat down and examined it. I mean, I've been called, you know, I got a lifetime achievement from the Emmys. I won Peabody Awards, which is our Pulitzer.

And I know I'm good at what I do. And people have said you're great at what you're doing. I think greatness is to, in your chosen profession, exceed at being the best you can be. So you can be a great delivery man for a milk company. You never miss your rounds. The milk is always there. You've never hit anybody. You can be a great garbage man. You clean up the streets. You get it done. Another person can say, I'm a great husband.

That counted more to me. I'm a great family man. That counted more to me than anything else in life, to be a great family man. But it's a word that gets bandied around a lot. Everybody's great, he's great, he's great, he's great. Yeah. That's a good definition, I think.

Jerry Jeter said to me there are a lot of phony legends you're a true legend that was a big compliment that's nice to me the biggest compliment I ever got was Norman Chad

in the Washington Post who wrote to say that Larry King is better on television than he is on radio is like saying Mark Angelo Michelangelo was a better sculptor than he was a painter.

That really... But it's great being with you, Lou. You have a great podcast. You're very thoughtful. I've got a couple questions left for you, though, okay? Okay, Lou, you said 45 minutes. We have done almost an hour, but I understand, Lou, because you're totally ingratiated with me

and you feel humble. I'm fascinated by you. I can tell. Fascinated. I can't get enough of you. All right. What else, Lou? Okay.

A couple of questions left, I promise. I'll make them quick. Biggest mistake you've ever made in your life? Smoking. I never should have started smoking. My father smoked. He died of a heart attack. I smoked the same cigarettes he used to smoke.

Philip Morris. If I could have one day back in my life, it was the day I started smoking. I had a heart attack from that. I had bypass surgery, stopped smoking. The day I had the heart attack, I was 53. So it's almost 30 years that I haven't smoked. Congrats. And I loved smoking.

Oh, I loved it. I smoked three packs a day. It felt good. It was very sensual. The feeling was great. I'll tell you how, and I understand addiction. All people who are addicted, I understand completely. You're addicted to drugs.

You're addicted to drink. I understand addiction because I was addicted to cigarettes. There was one night, I'm a single living in Virginia, northern Virginia, and I woke up in the middle of the night a snowstorm no cigarettes I'm hunting, I'm on my feet on my knees crawling along, going through the garbage in the house

to see if there were any cigarette butts and there weren't any crawling on the ground I put on all the clothes I could think of it's three in the morning and my car can't get out of the garage because the snow has backed up the electric thing. Sure, sure.

I go out of the building, the Prospect House in Virginia, and I walk three blocks down a hill to the 7-Eleven, which is open 24 hours. I go into the 7-Eleven, go behind the counter, take out a pack of cigarettes, open them up, light them up before I paid, shaking to light that cigarette up, the wind blowing in my face, my feet getting wet from walking in the snow to have that cigarette. So I understand addiction. So I had a day back.

It was the day I started smoking. Gotcha. The thing you're most grateful for in your life recently? Kids. The fact that I got three grown. I got a great stepson in Danny, and I got two kids who are 17, you know, at my age, 17 and 16. I always tell the same joke. When people see me and my wife together, there's an obvious age difference. You know, they look at me, they look

at her, and I know what they're thinking. You know, they look at me, they look at her. And I always say the same thing. If she dies, she dies. You know, life goes on. But to have two young boys, 17 and 16, they're both driving cars now, I can't believe it. Because they're still, see, when I see friends that I grew up with, and I have close friends that are still my friends that I grew my friends. They look 17 to me. I don't see them at 82. They're 17. So when I see my kids, they're 5 and 6.

I'm taking them to their first Dodger game. And when I see them drive off in these months to cars, going somewhere with all that engines and these kids. I taught them. I showed them how to drive. It's crazy. I don't have kids yet, so I can only imagine. There's nothing like kids.

There's nothing in your life because suddenly you have the only thing in your life that is unrequited love. Unrequited. Your kid don't have to love you. Your kid can leave you. But you love your kid. You love him more than a wife, more than his mother. There's no love like it because it's unrequited. As I've often said, John Kennedy's mother had a lot of pain. The same pain that Lee Harvey Oswald's mother had. One shot, one received the shot. Both mothers have the same pain. Wow.

Right? Of course. Wow. Power of child. Losing a child has to be... The worst feeling, probably. I could not imagine. I've interviewed many people who've lost children.

It's not right. Steve Lawrence lost his son at age 23 and lost his faith, lost his religion, never got it back. It's tough. Could break you. Yeah. Okay, I have one final question, and I want to make sure I respect it, but where are we promoting people to right now?

The course? Oh, yeah. LarrysCourse.com. You want a great course? LarrysCourse.com. You'll get a course on... Communication. Secrets of good communication. Interview skills.

You'll not only get 10 courses, you get individual interviews I've done with special people. Every month you get a new one. It's a great learning process. It's a lot of fun. It's funny. And at the same time you learn. So you go to Larry'sCourse.com you will not be disappointed. There you go. I guarantee

this. And also, are you on social media anywhere? Personally? Well, I have 2,900,000 Twitter followers. There you go. At Larry King. At Larry King. At King's Things. King's Things.

I think it's called King's Things. Okay. I don't even know what it's called. I have- We'll link it all up for you. I have this flip phone. Can I see it? I haven't had one of these in 10 years.

It's heavy. Look at this thing. I'm going to open it. Look at this thing. And I'll tell you why it's great. This is amazing. You know why it's great? Why?

Because you can't tell. It's a phone. That's it. You can put it up great? Why? Because you can't text. It's a phone. That's it. You put it up to your ear. You don't have a phone. You talk into a box. Sure, sure. And another thing, I know addiction.

My wife, totally addicted to her iPhone. That's good. Oh, yeah, she's addicted to her iPhone. She's on it all day. I see her sometimes sleeping, holding it in her hand, open her eyes and start texting. Sure. I don't ever want, see, cigarettes control me. That escapade of walking down that cell, they control me.

I didn't control them. I had to go get bigger. iPhone controls people. I don't want that. I don't want that. I have to look at something. I'll learn. If something happened, you'll tell me.

Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? I don't need that. I have to look at something. I'll learn. If something happens, you'll tell me. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? I don't need that. Look at it constantly, yeah. And I don't want something that controls my life. I saw my wife and I were flying to Vegas once. True story, Danny. We're in the car.

We're coming into the airport. She goes, my cell phone. What about it? It's home. Well, we're only going for two days. She goes, my cell phone. What about it? It's home. Well, we're only going for two days. Freaking out. No, no, no, no, no. Start shaking. I said, well, I've got a phone. I've got a phone.

It's not the same thing. If you have to make a call, it's not to make it a call. I got to go home. I said, well, what do you want me to do? She says, you go to Vegas, I'll take a She went home and get the phone. She went home, take a plane two hours later. Oh, my gosh. I went to go home. I said, well, what do you want me to do? She says, you go to Vegas. I'll take a plane. She went home and get the phone. She went home, take a plane two hours later. Oh, my gosh. I went to Vegas by myself.

Wow. Addiction. Yeah. Okay. I want to ask the final question. You keep lying. No, I didn't ask the final question. That's part of the secret of good communicating.

If you could lie. That was to promote everything you had going on. Okay. That was good. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Now, the final question, before I ask it, I want to acknowledge you, Larry, for a moment.

Thank you. I want to acknowledge you for inspiring so many people in the world, for your incredible curiosity, and for being a seeker of truth. I think you've opened up so much truth to so many people in the world through your questions, through your curiosity, through your generosity. I think listening and asking the right questions is very unselfish of you and very generous of you. As opposed to making it about you in every interview, you make it about everyone else. Don't use the word I.

Thank you. I don't use the word I. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to acknowledge you for your incredible gift. That's it. For showing up 60 years and constantly giving and giving and giving and still having a youthful energy and for being here. Thank you for your kindness, Luke. Yeah, of course. 60 years and constantly giving and giving and giving and still having a youthful energy.

And for being here, it just means the world to me. Thank you for your kindness, Lou. Yeah, of course. And since you've said that, it's about time I start getting back. How much do I get paid for this? Exactly. Lou, there's no money? No money.

I'll get back. People pay me lots of money to do or not. Lou. How much you want? How much you want? How much you want? All right. For you, $75,000. Okay.

Give me a discount. $60,000. Got it. Okay. Listen, you got a dollar for parking? Yes, exactly. Thanks, Lou. Okay.

Final question, though. That was to acknowledge you. Oh, gee. That was to acknowledge you. Okay. This is what I asked at the end. What is the answer? What is the answer?

This is the I asked at the end. What is the answer? What is the answer? This is the three truths question. At the end of the day, all of your interviews are erased and gone. And you get to write down three things you know to be true about everything you learn in this experience of life. Three truths that you would give to the world. What would you say are your

three truths? Three truths. Nothing is given to you. You have to earn it. That's my truth. Of course, if you have inherited wealth, that's not your truth. But my truth is nothing's given to you. I was very poor.

I was on relief. New York City bought my first pair of glasses after my father died. So I never forgot poverty. We were in poverty. So nothing's given to you. Number two, things will work out. What goes around, things will work out. Things look bad.

Always work out. They work out. I don't know why they work out, but they work out. I have incredible belief in man, man and woman, the human. Nothing's given to you. Things will work out. And to quote Mel Brooks, don't chase a bus. There'll always be another.

Think about that. That's great. You run down the street, chase a bus. You miss the bus you fall down you get wet there'll be another bus there'll be another bus there'll be another bus thank you thank you so much appreciate it thank you there you have it wow what a mind explosion and incredible experience that was for me to connect with larry and really get to turn the tables on him and ask him the questions that he asked so many incredible people over the last 60 years.

Such a grateful experience for me. And I appreciate you guys being a part of this with me. Again, The School of Greatness hits episode 361. So make sure to share this out with your friends on Twitter at Lewis house and at Kings things. Let us know what you thought. Lewis house.com slash three, six,

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