The School of Greatness - 418 The Power of Creating a Spiritual Vision with Krishna ji

Episode Date: December 12, 2016

"The one path to finding true joy is looking at the truth." - Krishna ji If you enjoyed this episode, check out show notes, video, and more at http://lewishowes.com/418 ...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Episode number 418 on the power of a spiritual vision with Krishna G. Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin. Welcome everyone to the School of Greatness podcast.
Starting point is 00:00:37 Most of you know that I spent a couple of weeks in India recently where I was doing a meditation retreat. And at this meditation retreat, I learned so much more about myself, about my thoughts, about my body, about my breath, about my ideas, about my mindset. And I felt like I was able to dive deeper into the meaning of everything and the meaning of why I'm here and why we're all here, how this all happened, what the purpose of this is. You know, my entire childhood, I constantly was in the question of why am I here and what is the purpose? What is the purpose, especially if I feel all this frustration and anger and disappointment
Starting point is 00:01:25 and lack of belonging and I felt insecure? Why am I here? I had these questions over and over again. And I never understood the answer. I never knew what the answers were. So I just led to more frustration and more disappointment and anger and lashing out and, you know, just doing all the troublesome things that I did as a young boy growing up and as a young teenager. You know, I've been on a journey seeking answers my entire life. You know, one of the reasons I do this
Starting point is 00:01:57 podcast is to seek the truth from people who've been there and done that before, the truth that works for them. And to see if that truth resonates with me, with where I'm at in my life. And sometimes certain truths or wisdom that I've had in different parts of my life or different times may not work or be as relevant in other times. And so I think I'm constantly looking for answers and the truth to deepen my spiritual practice, to heighten my sense of awareness, to let go of the things that don't support or serve me and continue to develop myself as a human being to be the best that I can possibly be
Starting point is 00:02:43 in all areas of my life. That's what the School of Greatness is for, becoming the best version of yourself in every area of your life. And I met with Prita G, who we had on the podcast a while ago, and she invited me out. She's one of the founders of One World Academy. She invited me to One World Academy in India. And Krishna G, her husband, who is one of the founders, they're both the founders, but this is really his vision and his baby brought to life. They both founded it together. There were some profound things that I learned. And I want to share with you throughout this interview with Krishnaji what I learned. He turns the tables around on me at some point in this interview
Starting point is 00:03:25 and kind of asked me the biggest lessons that I've learned and the most profound things. So if you're curious about hearing what happened, this was at the very end, I think the last couple days of my experience in India for a couple of weeks. So you're going to hear what I was experiencing in the moment. We recorded this in their studio. So for those that aren't aware of what has happened or what I did, make sure to go back to the previous interview. We'll have it linked up in the show notes at lewishouse.com slash 418. You can learn more there.
Starting point is 00:04:00 But this is me during the meditation retreat, what I was learning and experiencing and what I was thinking in that moment. So Krishnaji in 2009, he with his wife, Pritha Ji started One World Academy. And this academy is a wisdom school for enlightenment. It is based in a new tradition where the focus is on knowing one's self and discovering that we are connected to all that exists, everything that exists. Now, Krishnaji and Pretaji are enlightened world teachers whose vision is to free individuals of all forms of unhappiness. And their teachings challenge every justification for living in sorrow and inner isolation. So if you feel any type of pain, any type of suffering, any type of anguish, then make sure you listen very closely to this entire interview because the things that I learned
Starting point is 00:04:57 about how to rid suffering from myself were so profound and yet so simple when I grasped the concept. And some of the things we talk about are the importance of looking for answers inside our so profound, and yet so simple when I grasp the concept. And some of the things we talk about are the importance of looking for answers inside ourselves instead of outside ourselves constantly, which kind of contradicts me constantly questioning people and asking questions all the time. But I'm just a curious guy. I'm always going to ask that. But really, it was interesting when I asked Krishnaji who his
Starting point is 00:05:25 greatest teacher was, his answer was quite profound for me. And I think the answer will resonate with all of you if you take a moment to listen. We talk about the one path to finding true joy. If you want to be joyful in your life, if you want to experience this bliss, this joy, then you have to follow this simple path. Also, why having a spiritual vision is essential to life. Guys, after I learned more and more about this, I realized, wow, that's why I suffered so much. And wow, that's why I was so angry when I was a child. The importance of a spiritual vision and what happens if we don't have one. Also, we talk about why many people struggle to live in a positive state of mind and how to shift out of that, and then also how to end your suffering after becoming aware of
Starting point is 00:06:16 it. Ladies and gentlemen, I am so excited for you guys to connect with this. And Krishna G has a softer tone tone so be aware and listen in and lean in as you're listening and really pay attention and I hope you guys get a lot out of this. Make sure to share it with your friends lewishouse.com slash 418
Starting point is 00:06:33 Tweet me, send me a message on Instagram as you're listening to this at lewishouse and let me know the biggest thing that's opening up for you during this conversation. I'd love to connect with you as you're listening.
Starting point is 00:06:45 This is the power of creating a spiritual vision with the meditation master, the one, the only Krishna G. Welcome everyone back to the school of greatness podcast. We are here in India at one world Academy with Kristen G. Thanks so much for having me. Thanks so much for doing the interview. I just finished two weeks here. Yes.
Starting point is 00:07:06 This is my last day. I leave in a few hours back to the United States. We will miss you. Yes, I will miss you guys as well. And what an experience, man. What a great experience. I interviewed your wife, Prita G. This was about a month and a half ago, two months ago?
Starting point is 00:07:20 Two months ago. Yes. And really didn't know what to expect coming here. She just said, you need to come. She invited me. I had the recommendation from our good friend, Ben Sterner, who introduced us. And I said, okay, I trust you guys. I'll come.
Starting point is 00:07:36 But I didn't know what to expect. But what I learned and what I created was magic. So I want to thank you for bringing me into your home, making me part of your family, and for your incredible team for having me here. Now, One World Academy is a wisdom school that you started in 2009, is that correct? Yes. And why did you start this? Before we talk about my experience and what I've learned, I want to know why you started it.
Starting point is 00:08:03 this. Before we talk about my experience and what I've learned, I want to know why you started it. We started One World Academy to teach people to live in powerful spiritual states. And you know, we are constantly looking for answers for happiness, for a joy, for a fulfillment in the external. Whereas we actually need to take the journey inwards. All our experiences in life happens within us. Take any emotion for that matter. Emotion of hurt,
Starting point is 00:08:34 anger, peace, love, jealousy, connection, courage, fear, passion. Where do you experience these emotions? You experience these emotions within you. So if you want a transformation, if you want a change to happen in your life,
Starting point is 00:08:55 the journey you need to make is within you. But we are constantly searching for answers outside of us. So One World Academy was started with that intention that each and every individual on this planet can be taught to make the journey with them, to find happiness within them, to find fulfillment within them, to find joy within them, to find love, connection, courage, passion within them so that they can then give back to the world. See we are constantly searching for love outside of us, we are searching for passion outside of us.
Starting point is 00:09:25 We want something to motivate us. We want someone else to love us. If you are in a suffering state, if you are in a state of fear, if you are in a state of anger, if you are in a state of disconnect, how will you experience these beautiful experiences? So our understanding is
Starting point is 00:09:41 you need to live in these beautiful states to share. So we are in a constant mode of expecting. We want someone to give so that we can transform. We want someone to change so that we can transform. We want situations to change around the life so that we can feel better. When we are constantly seeing people are changing, probably someone is really loving you,
Starting point is 00:10:04 probably the systems outside are certainly becoming better. But we are constantly seeing in the world that we are becoming unhappier. We are not becoming happier beings. That means the answer is within us. It's not outside of us. What is outside of us is to create a better world, a more comfortable world. A world that can be more beautiful, which can be enjoyed, and where we can survive as
Starting point is 00:10:25 a human species. But to find real joy and to find real happiness and love and connection, we need to move inwards. So with that intention, One World Academy was formed. Now who taught you these principles early on? How did you discover these things? Were you
Starting point is 00:10:41 suffering a lot as a child and you were seeking this or were you always brought up understanding these principles? Were you suffering a lot as a child when you were seeking this? Or were you always brought up understanding these principles? I was not suffering as a child. My parents have been wonderful to me. They brought me up in a very beautiful way. In fact, so much
Starting point is 00:10:58 so that they never even asked what was my marks and my grades or anything like that. So I had wonderful parenting. I'm lucky to be born in a spiritual family. My father is a spiritual master in this country. And got exposed to spirituality from the age of 12. So I've been part of his work and what he has been doing.
Starting point is 00:11:21 And somewhere, I think, I would not say somewhere, but I think throughout my life, I've always looked inwards for my happiness. Yeah. Yes. How did you understand that? Was that your father or was that your... Definitely my father did not particularly tell me to move inwards, but his teachings have helped. But I have always told myself in those days from the age of 12, 13 onwards, always felt that I should take responsibility if something went wrong.
Starting point is 00:11:50 So it was a very simple teaching, but it definitely made me see the truth to some extent. In the extent that I need to get better at this. So I can't keep blaming and blaming and find fault with someone else and go on this path of suffering and creating, making the problem bigger. So I always used to look inward and used to say, okay, next time there'll be a lot of change brought to this problem, particular problem.
Starting point is 00:12:16 And I definitely would see my shortcomings, where I went wrong, I would. And I would make those corrections. Where I went wrong, I would. And I would make those corrections. Later on, as I grew, the insights became better. And definitely the understanding became much more clearer that if you want to live a happy life, the answers are the thing you are not, outside of you. Who would you say is more influential for you growing up, mom or dad?
Starting point is 00:12:42 Dad. What was the biggest lesson he taught you? The biggest lesson he taught me was life is here to serve others. Life is here to serve others. And he said, you will find tremendous fulfillment in spiritual work
Starting point is 00:12:57 because it's really helping people and making them happier. And I think that was a very powerful seed that he laid within me. So, yeah. What would you say is your superpower? To live in a fantastic state most of the time.
Starting point is 00:13:14 That's your superpower? That you live in a fantastic state? Yeah. Why do you think so many people struggle in doing that when it seems like it's so simple? Yes. You know, it's so simple for you, it's so simple for your staff and team
Starting point is 00:13:27 why do so many people suffer or struggle in just feeling inner joy, inner peace inner acceptance we suffer for many reasons one reason could be we are constantly as I said earlier, looking for answers outside of us, we want to blame someone else for our happiness,
Starting point is 00:13:46 for our sadness, for all the problems we have in life. They don't do something for you or they do something against you. Then we put the blame on someone else. Yes. And then we're also searching for our joy in someone else,
Starting point is 00:14:02 through someone else constantly. More material things, right? More material things. That's definitely one reason. But I think there's only one path to joy, one path to joy and to find happiness. And that path is to look at the truth. Not looking at the truth externally, that, oh, he's bad, therefore I need to be careful
Starting point is 00:14:25 and strategize my way of speaking or be manipulative. Or, this system is bad, so I need to understand how to work around the system. That's not the truth we are talking about. We are talking about the truth that's about you. So you need to see what is causing you to suffer. Why are you suffering? And once is causing you the suffering why are you suffering and once you can see the truth
Starting point is 00:14:48 then you have freedom from it and that truth is all suffering arises from obsessive self-centred thinking so inner suffering so you are in a job
Starting point is 00:15:02 you get fired that's the problem The problem is you got fired and you need to find a new job. But we suffer. Why do we suffer? The first thing is there is hurt. I got fired. Who is this guy to fire me? I did so much of hard work. I was a fantastic guy. I was a great team player, but I still got fired. Well, now I have a lifestyle. How am I to live the same lifestyle if I don't find a job? What am I going to go and tell my wife? What am I going
Starting point is 00:15:30 to go tell my parents? What am I going to go tell my kids? So you have moved away from the problem of finding another job to yourself. And that's where suffering comes from. So I'll give you an interesting example. There was this participant from China and
Starting point is 00:15:45 he was here. And after he went back, he was diagnosed with cancer, level 3 or something. And whole family are Vandana Academy students. So he probably was the most happiest cancer patient because during his cancer, he could see as suffering arose all that he was doing was he was thinking about himself what will happen to my kids when i die what's going to happen to this wealth why did this happen to me why did this happen to me i worked so hard i've been such a good man i've been such a good person to everyone why this to me why did god punish me i have got i didn't do anything good for people. I have been so much family oriented.
Starting point is 00:16:27 I have not really contributed. I thought I will contribute at this particular age but I can't do that now. So once he brought awareness to that truth where he is only thinking about himself and actually moved away from treating his cancer he became free of his suffering.
Starting point is 00:16:44 And believe it or not as you become free of his suffering. And believe it or not, as you become free of your suffering, your health improves. As you interstate, it becomes better, your health actually improves. And definitely the family worked together to find a solution for his external problem, which is cancer. And yes, they found the solution and he's cured. But he said, I could handle my suffering very very very easily because it was all about me so that's where the answer is you need to see the truth so okay if I see the truth I'm suffering
Starting point is 00:17:13 I'm upset I'm agonizing the first step is you should recognize that you're suffering we have met many people who don't even want to accept that they're suffering so you need to bring awareness and observation to the fact that you are suffering. Okay. And then, but how do you end it?
Starting point is 00:17:31 You end it by looking at the truth. The beauty is when you look at the truth, the freedom is automatic. Really? Yes. So nothing else needs to happen. Nothing else needs to happen. You look at the truth, you see it, and realize that it's about me. I'm suffering because of my obsessive, self-centric thinking.
Starting point is 00:17:47 Once I recognize that, then the suffering goes away. Yes, because you clearly see that you're moved away from love, you're moved away from connection, you're moved away from courage, you're moved away from vision, you're passionate to yourself. So you have moved away from also addressing your problems to yourself. Then you are in the space of really answering the question,
Starting point is 00:18:07 what is important to me? Am I going to keep suffering like this and obsessing about myself? Or if I have a problem with my children or with my wife, am I going to move to a beautiful state and address the problem? Because I need to address it. Because if I go on this path of suffering, everything around me is going to get destroyed. I feel like a lot of people inflict suffering on themselves,
Starting point is 00:18:30 whether through their beliefs, through religion, or through family stuff. They feel like they have to suffer to live better in the afterlife, or do something, or give back in some way. What is that doing for us? Why do we focus so much on suffering when it only hurts us more and more and takes us away from joy? Well, the first answer is we don't know how to come out of our suffering. That's the first one. The second answer is we really do not have a stronger, deeper purpose for our relationships.
Starting point is 00:19:06 We need to find those answers. And the third one is we need to look at the truth. See, I was in London giving a talk when we started in 2009, 2010. And there was this woman who stood up and asked me this question. Krishnaji, I understand these two states and everything, but throughout my life, I have been taught that if you suffer, from there your passion to get more in life or achieve more in life is easier
Starting point is 00:19:31 because now you have learned a lot you have suffered now you are driven or something now you are driven so I just told her that
Starting point is 00:19:38 you just do not have you have just not learned the art of creating success from a beautiful state that's it from inspiration as opposed to putting people wrong or trying to make yourself look good.
Starting point is 00:19:50 Yes, absolutely. My entire childhood, I came from a place of proving people wrong, of creating to show that I was worthy enough of acceptance or love. And it drove me to create. I mean, I created everything I wanted. But every time I would achieve the dream or the goal or the vision, it was like there was more suffering. Afterwards, there was like this,
Starting point is 00:20:15 it was never complete. It was never whole. It was always like, what's next? This wasn't good enough. It wasn't the way I wanted it to be. And I continued to be driven by this, I guess, negative state by this I guess negative state as opposed to negative state.
Starting point is 00:20:28 And it's tricky because you feel like, well, I'm driven by this thing, this emotion, and it's getting me what I want. I'm achieving what I want. It's happening. Things are happening. I'm making money. I have access to things.
Starting point is 00:20:44 But at what cost? A few years ago when I started on this journey and realized that I can come from inspiration, I can come from a place of passion, a place of I'm already complete, and I want to create this to make an impact in the world, it was so much more enjoyable. The process was easier. It wasn't hard. It wasn't the stressful anxiousness. If something didn't work out
Starting point is 00:21:06 I could move through it with more peace and I'm still able to create and I feel like it's even more powerful yes much more powerful there's like this spiritual vision it's like fueling right
Starting point is 00:21:17 yes so what's the importance of a spiritual vision and if we don't have one what's going to happen to us well if we don't have one we are going to suffer we don't have one, what's going to happen to us? Well, if we don't have one, we are going to suffer. We don't have a spiritual vision. Yes.
Starting point is 00:21:30 Because spiritual vision is all about living in a beautiful state and acting from that beautiful state. Addressing your problems from a beautiful state. Not from a state of anger, not from a state of fear, insecurity, loneliness or depression. But from a state of fear, insecurity, loneliness or depression. But from a state of courage, passion, connection. So one needs to learn
Starting point is 00:21:52 to live in that state. That should become the most important thing because as I told earlier, all experiences are happening within you. It's our interpretation, right? One, it's our interpretation. Two, if you're suffering, there's only one interpretation. It's about you.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Right. But there's experiences happening in the external world. Yes. And we interpret it in a certain way internally. Yes. Right? Yes. And it's either suffering experience or not suffering.
Starting point is 00:22:21 Yes. And you are right. But when suffering arises, you are right but when suffering arises you stop interpreting outer world
Starting point is 00:22:29 you're only thinking about yourself okay but if you're just interpreting the outer
Starting point is 00:22:35 world without suffering then you are probably thinking about how do I solve this
Starting point is 00:22:40 problem from a strategy point of view or just from a vision
Starting point is 00:22:44 perspective you're looking at how do I make this just better you're not suffering but you're just problem from a strategy point of view or just from a vision perspective. You're looking at how do I make this just better. You're not suffering but you're just seeing it in a practical, pragmatic way. So your spiritual vision I think is the most important thing. If you do
Starting point is 00:22:59 not learn to live in a beautiful state and learn to relate from that state, you will not be enjoying any of your relationships, be it your kids, your wife, your work, your profession and yourself. How do we cultivate that on a daily basis besides being aware of, we're not suffering but how do we just stay in that and cultivate it? There are definitely certain meditations that we offer which you can practice on a daily basis.
Starting point is 00:23:26 Those will help cultivate a beautiful state. Why is meditation so powerful? Meditation is powerful because meditation becomes powerful when you apply wisdom. See, meditation should go along with wisdom. So not just meditating to meditate and not understanding why. Yeah, not understanding why. But understanding why you're meditating yeah
Starting point is 00:23:45 okay you have to there has to be a purpose for meditation and that purpose must have the right path then you're meditating
Starting point is 00:23:54 in the right way otherwise meditation by itself has no purpose it might make you just feel good but you don't have achieved anything
Starting point is 00:24:01 might help for a few hours a few hours or a few minutes what would you say is your spiritual vision my spiritual vision has always been good but you don't have achieved anything. It might help for a few hours, but a few hours or a few minutes. What would you say is your spiritual vision? My spiritual vision has always been to live in a beautiful, powerful state. And address my challenges
Starting point is 00:24:15 and my vision in every aspect of my life from that state. That's my spiritual vision. What would you say is your external vision? My external vision, I have quite a few visions for my
Starting point is 00:24:31 life, for my family, for my businesses and the spiritual work I do. But coming to One World Academy to really give people liberative wisdom and powerful direct experiences that can
Starting point is 00:24:46 completely transform them as a human being and revolutionize the way they think and the way
Starting point is 00:24:52 they live their life and the way they relate with every aspect of their life how does
Starting point is 00:24:57 this wisdom apply for business because you've built a number of successful businesses you've done
Starting point is 00:25:02 very well financially how do you apply this mindset and this way of being in all of your relationships because you've built a number of successful businesses, you've done very well financially. How do you apply this mindset and this way of being in all of your relationships in the business? Because there's a lot of entrepreneurs watching. Yes. And what if you're like, well, this is just for your relationships, your family and your intimate relationships,
Starting point is 00:25:17 but can this really be helpful for my career, my business? Yes. I have interacted with many business people and one of the strong emotions that they work from is competitiveness. They constantly compete with somebody else. Competitiveness. Competitiveness, yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:36 So I was in a meeting with one guy here in India who's a very big business person. And I was asking him, what's the vision and what's the purpose? And he was telling me, I want to become better than that guy. I want to do things better than that person. I want to get those projects.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Then I told him, I don't think that's going to work because that guy is good at what he's doing. So you need to find what you are good at and what you really love doing. Then I think you'll be far more successful. So I think it's very important, number one, to find what the vision is. And number two, not to go about achieving that vision from a place of fear.
Starting point is 00:26:15 See, we are constantly, most business people want to achieve from a space of fear. And after achieving, they don't want to lose what they've achieved against fear. So there's definitely no enjoyment in this entire path. So I have done it from a beautiful state. If there's a challenge, because I can differentiate challenge and suffering, I address it. I see that suffering is about me. And once I'm out of my suffering,
Starting point is 00:26:45 there is immense clarity and power to address the challenge, whatever the challenge might be. Because now you're seeing challenge as a challenge. You are not part of that. So then there's tremendous clarity to address those problems. Unfortunately, we make it too much about ourselves. We make it too much about our image. We make it too much about what people are constantly thinking about us.
Starting point is 00:27:08 So if you bring awareness and if you start looking at the truth, then you will actually see that 70% or 80% of the time, you are spending thinking about yourself rather than your business. Do you ever get in that space where you're getting competitive or comparing yourself to someone else in business, in your industry? Or do you ever do? I would say not much. Okay.
Starting point is 00:27:31 Not much. I'm very, very clear about what I want to do. I'm very clear about how my projects must look. And I'm very, very clear about what is the team I want, what are the kind of people that needs to work with me. And if there's too much competition, I'm okay with letting it go and I know that there'll be a bigger opportunity
Starting point is 00:27:51 coming my way next time. What if something doesn't work out the way you want it to be? You have this vision of, I want these people to do these things and then it doesn't work out. How do you react? I do get upset. You do get upset?
Starting point is 00:28:03 Yeah, I do get upset and a little frustrated. Because most of the time, at least here, it's because of the systems. There are so many things that need to go together to make your project successful. And sometimes systems break down.
Starting point is 00:28:21 So you know that you did your best and systems break down.. Again if you enter into suffering apply the teaching. So I see the problem and for the next project we make sure that we first correct the systems and then go ahead with the project. So whenever you recognize you're in a breakdown, what's your process? If I recognize the external problem which is breaking down. Then you feel like a reaction in some way. I don't react.
Starting point is 00:28:48 You don't react. I don't react. Never. Never. But you get frustrated sometimes. I do get frustrated, yes. But I do get frustrated. I do get angry.
Starting point is 00:28:58 I do get hurt. All these are emotions. That things did not go according to my plan. Things did not work out the way it had to go. All that really hurts. But that's being human, right? Yeah. But I think...
Starting point is 00:29:12 You're human? Absolutely. But I think once you have the spiritual vision, which is the most important thing, is to live in a beautiful state. And once you live there, there's tremendous intelligence and clarity that comes. You move there.
Starting point is 00:29:30 You move there and what answers do you not have yet? What answers do I have not? In which sphere of my life? You're talking spirituality, business? In spirituality. Is there an answer that you're still, is there a question you're seeking?
Starting point is 00:29:47 Because you've been seeking for a long time. You've got this curriculum. You've got this material. You've got the truth. But what's missing? Is there something that's inside of you that's like, I don't know the answer? No. You know the answer to everything.
Starting point is 00:29:59 Yes. Why do you think you're here? I'm here to do this work. I'm here to be a loving husband and a loving father, a loving son, and definitely a loving friend to many of my friends. And I'm here to definitely create a difference to the world. Do you think everyone has that same purpose? I don't know. I would not like to make that into an ideal. That everyone has a purpose.
Starting point is 00:30:34 How do you know that's your purpose? Or when did you discover that? I knew, I think, probably from the age of 14, 15. That I'm definitely here for doing something great and I want
Starting point is 00:30:50 to do it. It's not like, I'll put it this way, I'll put it that way. It's my
Starting point is 00:30:56 decision, it's my right action that I want to do this. You also forced? No,
Starting point is 00:31:00 I don't feel forced. It's not like I had a revelation and someone came into my dream and told me this is your room. It's not like I had a revelation and someone came into my dream and told me this is your room. It's not like that.
Starting point is 00:31:08 It's something that I have discovered. It's organic. It's organic. So that's total clarity. It's something that I found within me. It's not something that's given to me. What about all the people that have religious beliefs?
Starting point is 00:31:25 Because you grew up religiously, right? Your father is religious, would you say? Yes. My father is not religious. My father's work is spiritual, but the work is centered around God-realization. Around God? God-realization. Realization.
Starting point is 00:31:42 So that way it is religious. Gotcha. Okay. And this work is not Realization. So that way it is religious. Gotcha. Okay. And this work is not related around God in any way? In the sense, I think for us, the topic on God has been addressed over thousands of years. And I think there are many, many people who are talking about that. And for us, I think we have found the answers for a beautiful state, for a transcendental state, and the enlightened state, all these powerful states, through spirituality. And spirituality is different from religion.
Starting point is 00:32:19 What's your definition of that? Spirituality is moving inwards. You are looking for your happiness, for answers for your suffering within you. Religion is where you are moving outwards. You are suffering, you want to go and pray, and you want someone else to take care of your suffering. Who is far more powerful than you? So spirituality is moving inwards, religion is moving outwards. So, both are fine. There's nothing superior, nothing inferior. But we have chosen this path. You're not against religion, you're not against people believing in God. We are only against one thing. We are only against suffering. So, if someone believes in religion or a god or thousands of gods and it brings them relief
Starting point is 00:33:04 or brings them a beautiful state, then that's what you want them to focus on. That's what they can focus on. Right. Right. You just don't think that's your truth. I just don't think that it's a very effective way. To put your attention on a being or
Starting point is 00:33:19 a god to give you a beautiful state, why is that not effective? Well, I should ask you that question because if you have done that, have you found peace and happiness? If you're a believer in God. I don't know if some people have or not. So most of them have told me
Starting point is 00:33:38 I don't know. When most people come in here and do work with you, is that their belief usually? They believe in God? Many of them, yes, they believe in God. But we have made it very clear that I personally feel that you can go to God and you can pray for the problems. Most of us go and pray for the problems. We want to become financially successful or we want our health to become better.
Starting point is 00:34:06 successful or we want our health to become better or in India people go for my kid must get a good must get married well must study well must go to America for higher education so I think for miracles definitely I think that path is an excellent path but if you want to learn grow and transform then I think you should take the spiritual path. What's the thing that people suffer around the most that you've seen in the last 10 years doing this work? What's the common theme? Common theme. Interesting question. No one has asked me this.
Starting point is 00:34:38 Well, you've never been on the School of Greatness. Yes, and I'm loving it. The common theme will be I would say lack of vision definitely most different
Starting point is 00:34:52 between is vision and purpose similar or yeah they're similar but you know when we use the word vision and purpose
Starting point is 00:34:59 we always try to make it very big and I always tell people it's not about bigness it could be purpose in a relationship with your partner or even with your kids.
Starting point is 00:35:09 So I think we find people don't have that vision. People have kids but they don't know why they're having kids. People get into a relationship and they don't want to get into a relationship. And they suffer. So vision, would you say, is the most important first step
Starting point is 00:35:24 in terms of like an action plan of having absolutely yes it's without vision you're just wandering in the universe asking why am i here what's the point of this spiritual vision i would say is the first step spiritual vision that is the mistake and that's your way of being so how do i want to be in the world that should be the second step that's's the second step. The first step is spiritual vision. Because you need to first learn to become
Starting point is 00:35:48 free of your fears, your insecurity, your lack of connection. These are the things that you should become first free of. Because that holds us back. Yes.
Starting point is 00:35:58 And then, who do I want to be in the world? Are we a being, right? Yes, absolutely. I want to be loving, I want to be passionate, I want to be...
Starting point is 00:36:03 Yes, I want to do this. Gotcha. Okay, gotcha. And then would you say the end, right? Yes, absolutely. I want to be loving, I want to be passionate. Yes, I want to do this. Gotcha. Okay, gotcha. And then would you say the external vision afterwards? Yes, absolutely. Okay. And then goals and strategizing. Yes.
Starting point is 00:36:14 Making sure whom do you want to be a team member, where do you go find your finances, how do you want to raise your money. Yeah, the whole plan works out there how would you say if someone says I have no clue what I want to create in the world I have no clue, I don't know what I'm passionate about or I like everything, how do I get my focus on the one thing
Starting point is 00:36:36 what would you say to someone like that I think they should as I told you earlier if you're constantly going to tell people that you should find some vision that's transforming the world or transforming the country
Starting point is 00:36:52 then it's going to be very difficult all 7.5 billion people it's a lot of pressure start smaller start smaller I think that's very important because small changes can actually make
Starting point is 00:37:07 big changes. We don't see that. So I think small changes are very, very important. What's the point of me doing this work if I'm not having a vision for my daughter and for my family and for my business? It's really not worth it. And at the same time
Starting point is 00:37:24 we cannot say that that's small you are creating the next generation who are going to take care of this world so that's very important so
Starting point is 00:37:32 I think we should I think all of us together should work on changing this perception we are somehow constantly telling the world find this big thing
Starting point is 00:37:41 find this big thing and all these guys are not able to find it and they are suffering and you can't do this yeah so I think first let them do the smaller things world find this big thing, find this big thing and all these guys are not able to find it and they are suffering. Yeah, yeah. So I think first let them do the smaller things which are also very, very important. Again, saying them small is wrong. They are big
Starting point is 00:37:53 things. Your partner is a big thing. Your child is a big thing. Your business is a big thing. Your family is a big thing. Your parents are big. All these are big things. This is what makes you who you are. So first we need to address these things and define happiness here. A lot of your staff lives a particular lifestyle. Yes. Right? A monk lifestyle? Yes. But you don't, correct? Yes. Why is that? They made their choice, I made my choice.
Starting point is 00:38:22 Do you feel that because you're married, you have a child, you have all these other businesses, all these other types of relationships that could be messier, do you feel like it's harder for you to stay spiritually grounded because you have a lot of moving parts in your life? No, it's very easy. It's very easy? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:45 Why is that? Because spirituality is all about looking inwards and finding your beautiful state So I'm not running to some 10 pilgrimage centers to find my happiness. I'm very busy traveling and Doing stuff, attending programs here, attending programs there and doing, going meeting this person, that person. I'm not doing that so I have a lot of time to spend with my family and here, attending programs there, and going meeting this person, that person. I'm not doing that. So I have a lot of time to spend with my family and with myself. What do you feel like holds you
Starting point is 00:39:12 back right now? Is there anything that's missing for you or that personally, or that keeps you from being the person or achieving the thing you want right now? On the spiritual side, really nothing. On the business side, I think I definitely have to
Starting point is 00:39:33 get to know a lot more of what's happening in the world. I'm just so stuck in this work right now. So I'm losing out a little bit there. So I just need to, I think, work a lot more to get that going. I would say that's not disturbing me, but I know that that's an area where I need to somehow find time and pay more attention there so that I can keep up speed. It's changing so much.
Starting point is 00:40:03 What would you say is the question you get the most? And just to put this in the context before you answer, you get, you know, a lot of big business executives come here, CEOs of major companies. Tony Robbins has been here before. We have people from all over the world that come here and the group that I was in, I think there was like seven or eight different countries and just 20 of us. Leaders. We're talking about 20 of us. Yes. Leaders. We're talking about big leaders here.
Starting point is 00:40:27 Yes. But also people that are just figuring things out. So you have a wide spectrum. Yes. It seems like more leaders come than not. Yes. So what would you say is the biggest question, the most frequent question? For leaders, the most frequent question has been, they are actually in a space of seeking. Some of them are moved to a place of seeking, like why am I here?
Starting point is 00:40:57 For some of them it's been relationships, relationship at home, relationship with parents. So different things. I would say each would fall equally in its basket. Why are relationships so challenging for people? It's so challenging because we're all different. Yeah. I'm not you and you're not me. Why it seems like now more than ever, marriages are so challenging.
Starting point is 00:41:27 They're facing a lot of challenges. You know, 50% divorce rate in the US. I'm not sure what it's like here in India. But why do we, is it because we're so focused on ourself? Or is it because there's so many options and we think we deserve something better? Is it combination of things? I think all these are true, but they're only true at a certain level. The real truth is there's no spiritual vision.
Starting point is 00:41:55 With the relationship? With the relationship. And again, they're trying to find answers externally. So you think by changing the person you will find your happiness. So how do you know if it's the right fit then? Well, that's something practical. You can be pragmatic about it. If someone is
Starting point is 00:42:13 using abusive language or being physically abusive with you, you just need to make a practical decision that this is not working. But in spiritual division, most relationships don't have that. Most. What would you advise if a couple was sitting right in front of you saying, you know, we're struggling right now
Starting point is 00:42:29 and you said, okay, you need to have a spiritual vision, what would you say they need to focus on? How do they create that together, individually or together? They can do it individually. They can also do it together. But I think they need to understand
Starting point is 00:42:45 and ask this question what's the foundation for the relationship so many discover it's money, it's power, it's beauty it's many other things and as those fade away or as those are personal your relationship changes, your equation changes
Starting point is 00:43:01 so you need to see the truth what would you say is the most relationship changes, your integration changes. So you need to see the truth. What would you say is the most profound, enlightened, or transcendental experience you've ever had? What happens? For how long? What was the journey? Nothing's too weird. Yes.
Starting point is 00:43:27 I think the most profound I would say the one I had is me not existing. So yeah, I became one with everything around me. The universe. Yeah, so it became one with everything around me. The universe? Yeah, everything. What does that mean? What does it feel like? The feeling is you don't exist. You are not there. Your body or your mind?
Starting point is 00:44:01 Your both. You are everywhere. Really? Yeah. How long did I last for? I would say I've had it many times really? so
Starting point is 00:44:11 just wake up in the morning and put on a switch you're everywhere but I would say at least 7-8 minutes
Starting point is 00:44:19 that's been maximum sometimes how do you get into that space personally? I get into that space personally I get into it when I'm meditating what do you
Starting point is 00:44:33 that's the secret meditation, can you get into it when you're not meditating yes what do you notice when you are everywhere I notice that we are actually just a process
Starting point is 00:44:51 the universe is a process the universe is a process and you are a small process you are a small process what's the point of the process from the perspective from the context of the process? From the perspective of the, from the context of the universe? Sure. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:45:09 But from the context of our life, to do something good and to live in a beautiful state. Why do you think that's our purpose? To do something good? More than to do something good, to live in a beautiful state, state I would say is a deeper and a much bigger purpose why not live in a negative state and break everything down what if that's our purpose well all of us are constantly searching for happiness, peace and love
Starting point is 00:45:38 so definitely we know that we cannot live in these negative states and we want to become free of these negative states. Right. And I always tell them that there are only two states of being, either a suffering state or a no suffering state. So if these are the only states, if these are the only two states we experience our
Starting point is 00:45:57 life from, then the most important question in life is which state do you want to live in? And everyone knows the answers. A beautiful state. What's your point of view of ideals? I know certain people talk about having, you need to have a set of ideals to live by.
Starting point is 00:46:16 Do you believe in ideals? What's the purpose of them? I think ideals are good up to a point. So, because it definitely gives I think ideals are good up to a point. So because it definitely gives you direction to be a good person or to do good things.
Starting point is 00:46:34 But you're just doing. You're not being. So ideals never make you be. It only makes you do. And beyond a point, they become a burden because you're something else within and you're trying to be something else outside and that's when you completely break it down so you break down and everything breaks down
Starting point is 00:46:54 so now your ideas break down everything breaks down so you try to be this nice husband nice husband and on fine day you're this worst husband and then what right and you're questioning everything right and questioning the ideal and on fine day you are the worst husband. And then what? Exactly. Right. And then you're questioning. And then you're questioning the ideal and then questioning all that you believed in. So it's exhausting. It's totally exhausting because it is not your truth.
Starting point is 00:47:14 It is someone else's truth. But what you think your truth should be, right? Yes, exactly. And you also want the other person to believe in the same truth. So you believe that you have to be a good husband and you believe believe your wife has to be a good wife, then you believe your children have to be good children. Whereas all of us are different human beings, we're all different. So they're okay to up to a point, but it's not about what you're doing, it's about who you are, and that's where the beautiful state comes in.
Starting point is 00:47:45 Who would you say is your greatest teacher? It will sound a little arrogant, but the truth is myself and life, I would say. Is there anyone else who's been a great teacher for you
Starting point is 00:48:04 besides yourself? My dad. What's his name? My dad's name is Sri Bhagavan. And he runs a center as well, right? Yes. A spiritual center here in India. Yes. It's very popular.
Starting point is 00:48:15 Very big. It's been around for 25 years. 30 years. 30 years. Yeah. There's thousands of people every week or what is it? Thousands, yeah. Thousands every week.
Starting point is 00:48:22 Every week. Wow. Why did you not want to go take that over or be part of that? I am
Starting point is 00:48:29 definitely part of it in the sense I am the one who built it up. Because you were there at the beginning,
Starting point is 00:48:36 right? I was there. Your experience, I heard from Krishna Raj that your experience, because you guys were in
Starting point is 00:48:43 the school, that he started, you started having these experiences. Yes. Other kids started having spiritual experiences. I think one of the biggest reasons
Starting point is 00:48:54 the oneness movement grew is through a very divine process or spiritual process called the oneness blessing or the oneness tiksha, which many people around the world practice and that phenomenon began to me I was the first one to transfer that real to someone else here so at the age of 12 so in that way I played a very big role on the spiritual side split sheets. Tell me what happened.
Starting point is 00:49:26 It's Lewis. What was the experience? So your experience is what created this foundation for transformation around the world is what I'm hearing. Yes. Okay, so let's hear it. It was an experience where I had a very, I can call it a divine being with whom I could communicate with in my heart. And slowly the divine being turned into this beautiful golden ball and then I could actually
Starting point is 00:50:03 transfer this to someone else. What were you transferring? When we were transferring it, it was basically told that you can come in touch with your God and you can come in touch with your divine. So it's more like an intent. So people used to have... An intent? There is an intent, yeah. So people used to have and see their divinity,
Starting point is 00:50:38 the divine they believed in within themselves. And they could communicate, they could talk. So they had this personal God that they could be communion with. So that's the phenomenon that began. So it happened first with you.
Starting point is 00:50:56 Yes. And how was that experience, how was it facilitated? Was your dad a part of that experience? Absolutely, yes. So he facilitated this or was it just organic? It was organic. It was organic and it was my dad's decision to tell me that I think you should now see if you can transfer this to someone else. And who was the first person who transferred it to?
Starting point is 00:51:18 It was to Samudar Shemini, who is one of the senior faculty here. And the second one was Anand Vigri, who is also a senior faculty member. What was their experience like? You should ask them. Okay, I will later. And so based on that, your dad decided, hey, I want to start, this is what I'm going to be doing?
Starting point is 00:51:39 No, his work started much before that. This was a phenomenon that just began along with what my dad was doing. His work began as courses. See, my father here in this country is seen as someone to whom they can pray and their problems can be solved, miracles can happen. pray and their problems can be solved. Miracles can happen. And also there are powerful teachings along with that process. So that's how the work began. But then this phenomenon is called the oneness blessing or the teacher.
Starting point is 00:52:14 This phenomenon just made sure that everything happened much faster. So I could transfer it to you and then you had the power to transfer it to somebody else. And the the power to transfer it to somebody else. And the benefits were health, it was relationships, clarity. And many beautiful mystical, spiritual experiences.
Starting point is 00:52:38 Powerful experiences. What's been the greatest miracle or recovery you've seen from anyone you've been working with? In terms of transformation you're asking? Transformation. Oh, all of them. All of them. I would not pick anyone particularly. Do you ever get surprised by any transformations? Surprised? No. Because I know exactly that's what I want. surprised by any transformations?
Starting point is 00:53:05 Surprised? No. Because I know exactly that's what I want. So I don't get surprised. Is there any question that you wish people would ask you that they don't ask? I have not thought about it. I have not thought about it. But from a forces perspective, I definitely I have not thought about it.
Starting point is 00:53:25 But from force's perspective, I definitely would love to teach people many wonderful realizations and teachings that have given me freedom. But that needs for someone to become a seeker. It needs for someone to ask more deeper questions and more important questions. I would like people to get to that place so that I can help them with ultimate freedom. What are three questions everyone should ask? What are three questions? What are three questions everyone should be asking themselves?
Starting point is 00:54:11 No matter what stage of life they're at. Okay. I would say definitely number one is, why am I doing what I'm doing? Number two is how do I find my happiness? And how do I be in this joyful state? And number three would be
Starting point is 00:54:33 how do I find the spiritual wish for each and every aspect of my life? Great three questions. Should we have a book on those questions? Sure. You should. What's something you've done that a lot of people don't know about you
Starting point is 00:54:49 that you're really proud of? I would say one would look at me. Yeah. You're small. You're growing. Yeah. Final few questions. Before I ask them, is there any questions you Before I ask them,
Starting point is 00:55:05 is there any questions you want to ask me? Yes, definitely. You don't have to. I want to. You're doing amazing work and I love what you're doing. More than that, I love you as a human being. You're a very wonderful person.
Starting point is 00:55:27 And you have come here, you have learned a lot. And there has been definitely growth and transformation. So from your perspective, what do you think your listeners and people in the world should do to understand our work better and, one, understand our work better, and two, really really the teachings that you have learned what should they understand what should they understand and so what is it that you want i think i think uh people need to simplify their lives okay i think we create too much complexity in our minds okay the way we think things should look or how things should be um and we are constantly in an analytical
Starting point is 00:56:07 mindset. We're prisoners of this analytical mind where we constantly think and question things over and over and just run in the same place. As opposed to being calm, peaceful and joyful and just moving forward. So why should one be calm? I think people mean because it's freeing. It's freeing and it's more fun. Whenever I'm around people that are constantly in their head, they're analytical, they're questioning everything,
Starting point is 00:56:34 they can't make a decision on something. It looks hard. It looks exhausting to me. It's like they're tight in their body because they're tight in the mind. So for me, I like to keep things as simple as possible. I think you guys do a great job of breaking things down in simple ways. You're either in a suffering state or
Starting point is 00:56:54 a non-suffering state. Which one do you want to be in? Yes. Okay, let's move into a non-suffering state. Here's how to do it. Here's the practices. Here's what you can do on a daily basis. Here's the routines. And here's the truth that you need to have. Now, build from a spiritual vision and move forward in your life. Challenges are going to come up, they're going to arise,
Starting point is 00:57:12 but if you stay grounded in your spiritual vision and you always come back to that, then you can move through it easier. And I think it comes down to being as simple as that. But people complicate things so much. simple as that. But people complicate things so much. I think sometimes, I mean, we may not always have the answers to certain things.
Starting point is 00:57:30 I asked you a question the other day and you gave me an answer, but it's probably a lot more of a process to go through to really understand some of these answers. And so, I think some things we need to be okay with.
Starting point is 00:57:45 A certain level of not knowing for sure everything. Yes. But being okay with it. Absolutely, yes. Correct. And living from a place of love, joy, and passion. Because we're here, and miles will make the most of it. So, I think that's what it is. And I think if people rid themselves of their analytical mind that imprisons them in their body, there's just bars around their body that they can't get out.
Starting point is 00:58:15 It's exhausting. It sucks to be around. It's not fun to be around those individuals, and you want to support them. So I would say listen to this again and come to a workshop in the US or anywhere in the world or come here to experience it for yourself
Starting point is 00:58:34 because it's very profound so that's what I would say and why do you think people make their life complicated? I don't think they know any other way I think they were raised probably seeing it complicated they feel like maybe with their peers you know there's a competition especially in the u.s it's like who's busier who's more stressed out it's like one-upping
Starting point is 00:58:56 someone based on your level of stress okay i think um they're not present to the fact that I don't need to be that way so you're aware so what you're saying is they're constantly trying to be somebody else or they're trying to be well they don't feel like they're good enough like they're whole enough already so they're searching or trying to create something to prove that they're good enough so how do they know that they're not good enough because they're looking at someone and they're judging themselves that they're not good enough? Because they're looking at someone and then judging themselves? Yes, so they're being made fun of or they're not getting the attention or love they want or they're not getting the acknowledgement they want. So the search is outside. Outside.
Starting point is 00:59:34 Got it. I think acknowledgement is a big thing. If we're constantly seeking for acknowledgement from the outside, then we're never going to be happy. By doing nothing? What's that? By doing nothing? By doing nothing? What's that? By doing nothing? By doing nothing? Are people seeking acknowledgement by doing nothing? Oh,
Starting point is 00:59:49 I hope not. I'm sure they are. Yeah, I'm sure they are. That's an important truth one must see. What's that? That acknowledgement will come automatically if you're doing something. Yeah, if you're doing something good. And you've been talking about it in the beginning, like, you know, in this minute, I just finished, know in this minute I just finished
Starting point is 01:00:05 for those watching I just finished a meditation instructor training and one of the vows that you taught us in the beginning three vows I'm going to forget the first two but one of them is to not go into the practice of serving others
Starting point is 01:00:20 to receive acknowledgement because then it's not going to be a heartfelt connection or interaction. It's going to feel a disconnect. And so I think when we come from a place of, I'm going to make an impact because I want to get this acknowledgement, because I want to win the award, because I want to win people bowing to me in their own metaphorical way, it's going to feel exhausting and still focusing on the self.
Starting point is 01:00:45 Yeah. So I think it's going to feel exhausting. It's still focusing on the self. There's no spiritual vision. Yeah. So I think it's removing, like it's nice to get acknowledgement. I like it. I'm sure you like it. Yes. But if that's our focus,
Starting point is 01:00:56 there's going to be suffering. Yes. Because when we don't get it, we're going to have an expectation that's not met. Yes. So. And,
Starting point is 01:01:03 and also, and also the truth is you're not working for the sake of the birth but for the acknowledgement for yourself and then that becomes like a vicious cycle and you suffer more and then what happens is even if people truly acknowledge that's never enough. You need more, right? Yes. Any other questions for me? You don't have to. Why do you think living in a beautiful state is important from a perspective of day-to-day life? For a number of reasons. One, health-wise. I'm not living in a beautiful state.
Starting point is 01:01:41 I feel it emotionally, internally. I feel it affects my health, my physical health, my sleep hurts, my body aches over time. I get exhausted. So that's number one. It frees me of that physical pain. Number two is
Starting point is 01:01:58 I think it's important because I believe we're all here to be symbols of inspiration. Were there symbols of inspiration or symbols of something negative? And I look at myself as I want to be a symbol that anyone that I come into contact with, it doesn't matter if I'm in Delhi, in the spice market, walking down the street, the Uber driver who's driving me to the spice market, I was constantly coming from a place of joy,
Starting point is 01:02:26 a place of curiosity, a place of interest, a place of trying to transfer positivity to someone else's life. When I was walking down the street, I was interacting with people in a joyful way. And I feel like it's my mission to be that symbol. And it's all of our missions to be a symbol of That's simple. All of our missions should be to be a symbol of inspiration, to spread joy and positivity
Starting point is 01:02:48 because the other is a negative state that brings suffering and pain. And you're doing it beautifully. Thank you. I told you that being a very wonderful person, that's more important for us.
Starting point is 01:03:03 The thing is, I think people also want to feel like they're very smart and intelligent. Yes. And so they're constantly driven to learn more and to feel like they're adequate enough in relationships or in the world. And I remember early on, I never felt like I was smart because I couldn't study well in school. Okay. But I feel like I learned a new superpower. I was like, well, as long as I can transfer positivity, then it doesn't matter. I don't need to be smart. You know what I mean? So I think being a good human being and having a positive energy is more important than how much you know. Absolutely. If you're negative
Starting point is 01:03:40 with your intelligence. Absolutely. Don't you have anything on that. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else? These are not even good, so I'm on my show. What was your most impactful experience here? I would say my time with Krishna Raj. Wonderful.
Starting point is 01:04:00 Yeah. I would say I was, I got sick, even something in Delhi or who knows what happened, but I got sick for three days. And being in another country, you know, being away from my bed, being away from home, a million people, things like that. I was like, this is the last thing I want right now. You know, I spent all my time to come here. I want to learn
Starting point is 01:04:19 something now. You know what I mean? And now I'm taken away from my experience, from my group and the lessons. And, you know, Krishna Raj was there. And he was just so calm and loving and his attention to detail and his level of commitment to me for a stranger and his level of love
Starting point is 01:04:41 and giving and service was so thoughtful. And it just shows me, it was more of a, you know, I learned so much through the experiences. I learned so much through the meditations, the wisdom, our interaction. You know, I'm constantly learning. But I think it's those simple reminders that it doesn't matter who someone is in the world. That we're all connected. It's those simple reminders that it doesn't matter who someone is in the world. Yes.
Starting point is 01:05:07 That we're all connected. Yes. And we can all experience someone else's pain or suffering or what they're going through. We can all have the opportunity to relate. Yes. And him being there for me, I mean, everyone was there for me, but him being there for me, I felt like made it an easier process to move through. So I could have suffered a lot longer or not. He was there to support me.
Starting point is 01:05:29 So I think that was, that's what's coming up for me right now. Wonderful. But in terms of the teaching, you know, this, the meditation and structure training has been extremely powerful and understanding the principles of modern day science,
Starting point is 01:05:43 um, spiritual meditation practices, and body movement and alignment. And when you put all three together to put yourself through a practice of meditation, the incredible benefits that will support your mental health, your emotional health, and your physical health, and your spiritual health.
Starting point is 01:06:05 And by having a meditation practice where we understand why all elements work in unison, not just doing them to have emotions, but actually understanding the thinking, the science, the
Starting point is 01:06:18 biomechanics behind every moment of movement, it's so profound in understanding it for me. So now having that wisdom, having those tools that I can teach other people, for me, that's the reason why I'm going to come, is to have that understanding. Because I've been meditating for years,
Starting point is 01:06:36 but when I see the benefits, I didn't fully understand it at a deeper level. So I think that was pretty profound. And also you attended the field of transformation that was here. What is your big takeaway? Well, I missed like
Starting point is 01:06:52 three days of that. But the big takeaway was there's different teachings about the wisdom that you guys have and you put us through different experiences, different exercises.
Starting point is 01:07:04 And I think I've been through different experiences, different exercises. And I think I've been through different workshops where they have teaching and exercises and that's what creates transformation. For me, that's what's created transformation for me in the past. Because you can't just sit there and be lectured or taught something and have a transformation.
Starting point is 01:07:20 You have to understand it and then you have to go through an experience to move through the suffering, the pain, and the hurts. And I believe that's really the only way, that's the most impactful way to transform. So there's lots of different workshops out there that teach similar stuff, but not at this level of understanding, of spiritual understanding. Not religious, but spiritual understanding. And I think this is probably the most profound experience. I wish I would have done this probably like three or four years ago.
Starting point is 01:07:50 I did something else that was, again, similar in terms of teaching and experience, experiential learning, which was the most profound thing for me at the time, which rid me of a lot of my suffering. So I think it would have been even more profound going through like a spiritual understanding. It's definitely a must attempt thank you anything else?
Starting point is 01:08:13 final few questions what are you most grateful for recently? see I don't make being grateful into some kind of a practice or an ideal in it so once you learn to live in a beautiful state, you are automatically grateful for things. So unfortunately today, grateful and being gratitude has become some kind of a practice because most of the time we live
Starting point is 01:08:37 in a negative state. So I am grateful for everything. There is nothing particular that I am grateful for. You are always grateful. It's not even a grateful you. It is, yeah, it is, I think, out of many emotions, it's one small emotion. It's one important one that takes its place.
Starting point is 01:08:56 It's not like the emotional state that you have to be in. But, yeah, but unfortunately, it's also becoming an ideal. You must feel grateful. You must an ideal. You must feel grateful. You must feel gratitude. You must feel grateful. Feeling gratitude must be something that must become natural.
Starting point is 01:09:12 It should not be a practice. It should not be a forced thing. It should not be a forced thing. It should be an automatic. Because you have this paradox, right? In one particular view, you're looking at everyone and blaming everyone for your suffering. And then to the same person you want to feel grateful. So it's
Starting point is 01:09:29 a paradoxical thought. You need to understand are you really being grateful or just trying to be grateful so that you can feel nice about it. That's why the state is very important. You need to learn to live in that state. Okay, this is called the three truths.
Starting point is 01:09:47 Okay. So, if it's the last day for you many, many years from now. Many, many years from now. Many, many years from now is your last day. Okay. How will I know it's my last day? You know. Okay.
Starting point is 01:10:00 You know. It's time. Okay. You're 100 and something or however old you are, it's time. Okay. So, together we'll spend the time. You're 100 and something or however old you are. It's time. Okay, so together we'll spend that time. You've written many books. You've had tens of thousands or whoever many people come through this. You've built businesses beyond your wildest dreams. You've done everything you wanted. The family, everything you had has happened according to your plan. And
Starting point is 01:10:25 your friends and family are there at the last moment and they want to know, you know, you've created so much, you have so much wisdom, so much teaching, so much knowledge. If you could boil it down to three simple truths, and this is all we would have to remember
Starting point is 01:10:41 you by. This would be your teaching to the world, written on three simple truths. A piece of paper, nothing else we would have to remember you by. This would be your teaching to the world, written on three simple truths. A piece of paper, nothing else we would have. What would you boil it down to? Living in powerful spiritual states, which are beautiful states,
Starting point is 01:11:00 transcendental states, and enlightened states. Number two will be to always look at the truth that all suffering arises from obsessive-sensitivity thinking and that if you want to find
Starting point is 01:11:15 joy, if you want to find peace love, passion, courage you have to look within you you have to learn to dissolve your suffering and become free of your suffering the answer look within you. You have to learn to dissolve your suffering and become free of your suffering. The answer is within you and not outside of you.
Starting point is 01:11:31 And number three will be to have a spiritual vision for your life. Yeah. Those are good. Those are good. Thank you. Before I ask the final question,
Starting point is 01:11:41 I want to acknowledge you for a moment, Krishnaji, for your incredible vision, for your spiritual vision, for your guidance to so many people, for bringing your vision to life and creating this work for so many people, including myself, to learn, grow, transform, rid ourselves of suffering and pain, unnecessary suffering that we don't need to live in. Yes.
Starting point is 01:12:04 You are an incredible symbol of inspiration for so many people thank you thank you so much and a pleasure talking to you and a joy relating to you yes everyone can go to oneworldacademy.com
Starting point is 01:12:20 check out more information there's also workshops around the world, we'll be doing a number of them next year how many of them? at least 40 to 50 that'll be on oneworldacademy.com there'll be information about the workshop in your city we'll be hosting one in LA soon
Starting point is 01:12:36 so I'll send you guys the information about that anything else that people should know about where to go and connect with you or the work I think the website is a good place and Facebook Anything else that people should know about where to go and connect with you or the work? I think website is a good place. Website? And Facebook.
Starting point is 01:12:49 Facebook, yeah. Slash one one academy. One one academy. Okay, perfect. Final question is what's your definition of greatness? My definition of greatness will be two things coming together. One is your internal state of being are you the person you are
Starting point is 01:13:08 that you are talking to others about if you are communicating about love if you are communicating about being courageous if you are communicating about being passionate are you the person who is living in that state
Starting point is 01:13:23 and if you are that person and if you are living in that state? And if you are that person, and if you are living in that state, if you've learned to live in that state, then you're truly great. Because then you are giving people that is true to you. Number two is actually making it happen as a reality for the other.
Starting point is 01:13:39 So it's both the internal and the external coming together. That's truly been great. Thank you so much. Thank you. Namaste. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode as much as I enjoyed curating and facilitating it
Starting point is 01:13:57 while I was in India and while I was going through my own process and experience. So many things I learned and so many things I'm still learning and processing and experiencing as I develop my daily meditation practice from what I learned at One World Academy. And if you guys are interested in learning more, make sure to check out oneworldacademy.com. You can see more what it's about. But I've been telling a lot of my close network, the different influencers in my network to
Starting point is 01:14:24 definitely go check it out. Again, they do workshops around the US and around the world at various times as well. Little mini three-day workshops, which are extremely profound as well. But if you're not able to go to India, then make sure to find a city closest to you. So check out oneworldacademy.com to learn more. Again, if you enjoyed this and you feel like others should learn about the power of creating a spiritual vision in your life and how to find true meaning and purpose in your life, then please share this with your friends. LewisHowes.com slash 418. Guys, it's all about coming from a place of beauty, of joy, of passion, of inspiration, of meaning and purpose. And it's hard to live a meaningful life if we don't create our own spiritual vision and
Starting point is 01:15:14 we don't live from a beautiful state of being. So start moving towards a beautiful mind and living in a beautiful mind and having that space where your thoughts are beautiful and surrender all negative thoughts that may hold you back. Surrender holding on to pain from other people. Forgive. Allow yourself to forgive and surrender the suffering inside of you. You are so worth it. You're worth more than pain and suffering.
Starting point is 01:15:47 You're worth more than despair. You're worth more than frustration and anger and resentment. I lived in it for many, many years and it's definitely not worth it. You deserve so much more, but it's up to you to create that inner peace and that spiritual vision. to create that inner peace and that spiritual vision. So connect for a moment today with how you want to be in the world, who you want to be, how you want to show up, the purpose you're going to live in,
Starting point is 01:16:17 and the thing you want to leave behind for everyone that knows who you are. My name is Lewis Howes. Thank you guys so much for being here. Please share this with your friends, lewishowes.com slash 418. And you know what time it is. It's time to go out there and live and do something great. Thank you.

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