The School of Greatness - 430 NBA Star Mike Conley on Humility, Discipline and Getting Back Up

Episode Date: January 9, 2017

"The process is more important than the actual result." - Mike Conley Jr If you enjoyed this episode, check out show notes, video, and more at http://lewishowes.com/430

This is episode number 430 with NBA basketball star Mike Conley. Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin. Welcome everyone to the School of Greatness podcast.

We have another fellow friend from Ohio. That's right. You guys know that I'm from Ohio and I love when I get to interview other people who are from Ohio or who have done amazing things in Ohio. And Mike Conley is a former basketball player at The Ohio State, and he is also an NBA basketball player for the Memphis Grizzlies. He is a point guard, and he has played with the Grizzlies since being drafted fourth overall in the 2007 draft. being drafted fourth overall in the 2007 draft. And recently, he passed Pau Gasol to become the all-time leading scorer in the franchise history.

And he's also created history with his five-year $153 million contract as it's the highest paid contract of any basketball player of all time. Very cool to hear his story and to hear what he's done and all of his hard work, how it's paid off. Some of the things we talk about are how to cultivate a champion's mindset and really what it was like growing up with a father who was an Olympic medalist and how he trained and conditioned his mind growing up to be where he's at today. We also talk about Mike's pregame ritual to get his mind ready before every single game, what he does.

I think you're going to find it fascinating. Also how to get back on track. If you feel off in any way from your usual game, what Mike is most proud of off the court, his non-negotiables that he practices every single day, and so much more. Guys, I hope you enjoy this one. Make sure to share it with your friends, lewishouse.com slash 430. Tag me on social media.

Tag Mike as well. And you got all the show notes for Mike and his social and where you can connect with him back at the link. All right, guys. and his social and where you can connect with him back at the link. All right, guys. Without further ado, let me introduce to you the one, the only, Mike Conley. All right. Welcome, everyone, to the School of Greatness podcast.

We have the legend, Mike Conley, in the house, man. It's good to see you. Good to see you. Thank you. Good to meet you. You know, I had to wear the Ohio State shirt. Anytime I get to connect with someone from ohio or that played at ohio state it's always fun for me and we've got some mutual friends with brandon from lamp apparel so um very excited man you've had an incredible 10-year career with the same team in the nba you're the highest paid nba player of in history you broke you made history which is amazing

and you've just done some incredible things since you've been playing man and you also grew up with a father

who was an Olympian is that correct yeah he won a triple jump is that what you're writing yeah he won the triple jump in 92 92

and he was a long jumper as well long jumper did everything but those were his main events amazing man and um that must have been cool to have an a father for you know who had that athletic mind to kind of like teach and train i would think right yeah it was uh it was very cool

but it was normal for me so i didn't know what was you know what it was like for most people but for me it was like to see him you know running and jumping and sweating and doing all that was just like oh you know dad's just doing what he does. Not realizing how cool of an experience that is for a kid to be able to watch that and learn from it. So he was at the Olympics. How old were you when he won? I was five. I was five when he won.

So I was just at the age where I kind of knew what was going on. But at the same time, I didn't really grasp what he had did until I got a little bit older. Sure, that's cool. And would you say he was the most influential person in your life growing up or was someone else more influential? Well, I think both of my parents. My dad being one because of his ability on the track and field,

when he's running and preparing for what he does and his mindset and the things that I got to feed off of him and learn from him, you know, were things that were priceless. You can't find that, you know, in most households. And my mom, you know, with my dad being gone all the time, she was raising, you know, me and my brothers and and my sister you know basically solo for the most part because he's always training or always in you know different country competing and we couldn't always be together so she was as strong a woman as I've

ever met and always was positive always was you know making sure that we had everything we needed to be successful um you know for whatever we wanted to be in life. So that was, you know, those two people were definitely it. What would you say is the biggest lesson you learned from both your mom and your dad? From my mom, I think, is patience. Really? You know, patience is the one thing that I get from her, not from my dad. My dad doesn't have – he's more of a loose cannon than I am. But we say he has like attention deficit disorder

or something where he's always just doing stuff but um no i my mom just you know always preach patience you know things will come um just continue to work continue to to you know stay dedicated things like that and and your time will come and i believe that and and slowly but surely that's how my life kind of played out. So it's interesting that that happened. And my dad is, you know, the biggest thing I learned from my dad is preparation. You know, I was in ice tubs and ice bags and stuff like that when I was 9, 10, 11 years old learning how to treat your body, learning how to maintain things,

learning how to prepare the night before a game. You know, most kids are just going to sleep, staying up late, playing video games or whatever. I'm in an ice tub or doing this, that, and the other. And then, you know, eating pasta, making sure I'm eating the right meals before the day of the game, not just the day of. So those things really kind of prepared me for the next level as I kept getting older and older. That's cool.

And you got to, I mean, it's pretty cool you got to play with Greg Oden growing up. Was that just in high school or was that even before then? Me and Greg, we met in sixth grade. Was he like a seven-foot beast then or what? He was like 6'6", about 6'6", 6'7", but still was like, you know, for that age, he was a seven-footer. He was a beast. So it was amazing to have that kind of a friend. Yeah.

But, you know, for us to have played together all through middle school, high school, and to go to college was just like a dream for me, you know, because he made the game easy. He made the game fun, you know, if we're having a guy like that and that talented. Do you think you'd be in the same position now if you didn't have him kind of in those four or five years of high school? I really doubt it. You know, I really doubt it.

I think that I've learned over the time that you don't get anywhere by yourself. You know, and I've learned that the relationship that we've had, the things that we helped each other get over, the obstacles we've had to get over. I mean, we were the most competitive two people you'd meet. We'd always, in practices or shoot-arounds or anything, in open gyms, we'd always be on the opposite teams because we wanted to beat each other. So it was constantly trying to, you know, beat each other. The first one in the gym, who's going to be the first one in?

Who's going to be the last one? You know, that kind of thing was going on. We were always competing. So, I mean, it was that kind of relationship helped push me, helped push him. And, you know, I honestly think I wouldn't be in the same position if I hadn't had that. Sure.

Wow. Who was the best player you ever played against from high school to college? To college? Best high school player? Gosh. to college from one to college um best high school player gosh um i would have to say oj mayo was pretty good um in high school it was pretty unbelievable actually um but i got to play against i never had to play against lebron or any of those guys who are a little bit older but

um he was phenomenal i mean he did everything and you know he was already six five or whatever he is. He was already developed, so he was just that much better than everybody. Man child. Hell yeah. What about at college when you were there? College, the best player, I think it was for me, it was probably when we played North Carolina.

It wasn't just one player. It was like Ty Lawson. It was Wayne Ellington. It was Brandon Wright, Tyler Hansborough. They had like a team full of NBA players. So it was just that kind of like shocked you right away. Like, man, these guys are, you know, good. So that was an experience.

Yeah. What about the most memorable moment from high school until now in a game? Oh, my gosh. Most memorable moment from high school until now in a game? Oh, my gosh. Most memorable moment from high school until now. Probably for me still to this day is the Xavier Ohio State game. And we were in the NCAA tournament and we were down maybe three points with five seconds left and the guy goes to the line and misses two free throws and we get the rebound and go up the court and ron lewis hits a deep three to tie it and we go into overtime and from overtime i had like 11 or 12 straight points and we went wow and we had no business winning that game but that game propelled us

to you know eventually going to you know, eventually going to the final four, eventually going to the championship game and, and easily just one shot, you know, changes everything, you know? So that, that one moment I think is the one thing that sticks out to me more than anything. I'm curious about, uh, this is actually a question that Brandon sent over to me. He said, how did growing up with a gold medalist affect the way you looked at success? Did the pressure ever get to you or did it drive you forward? Well, the pressure never got to me. I think I always expected to win.

I always expected to succeed. You did or your dad? I did. Wow. I didn't expect. He didn't think that for me it was something i already had just from really just from being around being around success you you be like you like when you go into something you're like i'm gonna win there's no way i don't think

about the opposite like you don't think about what if i don't win what if i don't make this shot what if i it's just all about like all right we're winning tonight how are we gonna do it you know and that's the mindset that i had and and it was funny because in high school all the way to college that we literally you know we probably lost eight games in five or six years total um going up from ninth grade up to you know 12th and then to college so and even in college we lost four games and one being in the championship game. So we were just – I was trained that way just to think positive, think about how you're going to win, not how – what if you fail type thing.

Right, right. Or the fear of like, oh, we might not win. Right. A lot of people are stuck because they're afraid of losing. Exactly. Or they're afraid if they're an entrepreneur of putting out a business project that's not going to work. So they never actually even start it. Because they're crippled of losing. Exactly. Or they're afraid if they're an entrepreneur of putting out a business project that's not going to work. So they never actually even start it.

Exactly. Because they're crippled by fear. Exactly. So how would you teach someone or what would you share with someone watching or listening on how they could cultivate or train themselves to have this, I guess, champion's mindset, this winning mindset?

Yeah. Well, understanding that fear isn't all bad. I think fear drives some people to work a little bit harder, like just the fear of the unknown or whatever. But I also think that, you know, like my coach once told me, Lionel Holland said, a scared man can't win. So I always took that to heart, thinking like if you go out there believing that you can win, believing you can be successful no matter what you do,

whether it's with business or on the court or in a classroom. If you believe you can do it, if you believe and you failed, you know you gave everything you had to it at that point and you just didn't have enough. But if you go out there and you just cripple yourself and you literally paralyze yourself by putting those thoughts in there, you're like, oh, my God, I don't know if I'll be ready for this test. I don't know if I'm – you won't be ready. No chance. You won't you won't be successful.

You won't win. You won't have a shot. And those are, you know, the mental mindset, you know, just to be able to constantly positive, positively reinforce yourself, just to think in those terms, just like I can do this. You say I can and I will, as opposed to I don't know. Maybe, you know, there's no doubt. So, you know, just make sure that you continue to have that positive belief. When you have a loss in the NBA now, how do you bounce back from it? Or what do you think about? Do you just kind of eliminate it and then go back into this positive mindset?

Or do you start to doubt yourself at all? Or how does it work? Well, for us now, since we've played so many games yeah when we lose i try to um what i do is i give myself a night so that night i watch the film i watch what we could have did better what i could have did better where i messed up right uh to improve and after that night is over i move on to the the next game or the next task you know because if you it's one thing thing to lose and sit there and dwell on it and keep yourself in that moment and constantly be thinking like, you know,

oh, my God, I messed up on this play or that play, and then it continues to happen and you're constantly thinking about it. And there's one way to, and there's another thing to, you know, fix that issue by going back and saying, all right, I'm going to put everything I got into this for this next seven, eight hours and learn from my mistakes and go out here and improve on it. And if, like I said earlier, if you're good enough and you win, you win. Sometimes you give everything you got and you don't win and that happens. But as long as you know that you're prepared for it and you did your, you know, your work, your homework on it and you go out there and you, you know, prepare,

you can't be as upset when it comes to you give your best yeah yeah is there a ritual or routine that you have either the night before a game or a couple hours before a game that sets you up to have this mindset that you like either it's a mantra you say or something that you do on the court or in your room? Is there something that you do that sets you up? Yeah. Well, I have a very – I have a long routine, I should say. Yeah, I'm interested. It starts from when I wake up in the morning.

You know, when I wake up in the morning, I get myself ready. Just like I might not get out of bed for 20 minutes. I'll just sit there and close my eyes and just be thinking about what I'm going to do that day, like in that game, later that night, like what my shot feels like, what, you know, how my legs feel, putting myself in that moment. And I actually learned that from one of our Navy SEAL. We had a Navy SEAL guy come speak to us, and he spoke to us right before I came back from when I broke my face and one of the games I came back you know six or seven days later and my eyes were still swollen and stuff and I had a mask on and all this and he was just like let me talk to you for a second and he preached all this

you know mental preparation all this you know foresight and basically meditation you know being able to sit there and and think about what you're doing ahead of time to prepare yourself. So that's something I do every morning to get ready for that because at that point then I know that I'm prepared, you know, for my shoot around, for my workout, for my lift, going all the way up into when, you know, layup lines and the tip ball, the national anthem, all that stuff I think about and put myself in that position.

And then when I'm there in that position, I'm like, okay, I feel like I've been here, all that stuff I think about and put myself in that position. And then when I'm there in that position, I'm like, okay, I feel like I've been here. I know what I'm doing. I feel good. And then I know I'm ready to go. Some days I might lose focus. I might, you know, baby might be crying.

I have all kinds of things going on. I'm like, man, I don't feel like I'm in my – I didn't prepare like I should have today. And I just feel off. And those days I don't play as well. And I already it I mean right away so it's just wow and and my wife knows her family knows like don't bother me during game days I don't want to be having to worry about tickets I don't have to worry about who's talk to your wife or whatever yeah you gotta you gotta talk somebody talk to her don't come in the room when'm there, when I'm taking a nap because I'm not just sleeping. I'm like preparing and focusing

and don't want to have to be disturbed in that whole process even if it's six, seven hours before a game. Wow. Yeah. When you are – let's say you're feeling off like in warm-ups or in the first quarter of a game. Is there a way that you can, I guess, readjust your mindset to get back on track

or is it kind of like yeah we'll just make the best of it this whole night or you know that's something that i've i've learned over the you know last five or six years just you know trying your best to to i guess refocus your attention on the on the now you know now that you know that you might have messed up somewhere in your the day in the day coming to this point that you know that you might have messed up somewhere in the day coming to this point that you're at now, all right, so now what? Close your eyes. Now what can you do to help going forward? What can you do?

How can you refocus? How can you get your body back into that mode, get your mind back in that mode? And that's something I try to do. If I feel I'm off, I'll try to readjust it right before a game, just sit there and put my head down on the bench right before the national anthem or something, right before the starting lineups and try to visualize again, like just re-emphasize certain things, re-emphasize, you know,

holding my arm up during shots, you know, just things that are technical that I know that muscle memory will take over if I continue to, you know, just go out there and play. That's cool. What's something you've done that you're most proud of that maybe not a lot of people know about you? Um, what have I done? People know about your stats and awards and contracts, but what's something that maybe is a smaller thing or something behind the scenes or it's not on video yeah um you know i think i think the one of the biggest things that i've i've been able to do because of um the opportunity i've been given in this league is helping people i love get through um different obstacles such as i have a friend i helped get through college and see him graduate

that he wouldn't have had the opportunity to do that and for him to be so thankful so grateful same thing for my sister is going to be actually the first one to graduate out of all of our because you left after your first year

she's going to beat me to it I'm going to catch her though she's gonna beat me to it but um i'm gonna catch her though yeah yeah you know she's gonna graduate before me and um just seeing her you know being able to to walk up there and and accept her accept her you know diploma and and and just see her you know be so happy yeah um i mean and degrees i mean stuff that she wants to do now is i feel like i had a big part in helping her get through that. So, I mean, it's just cool to see people I love progress because of me being able to help in any other way. Yeah.

Now, you're from the Midwest, so I got to believe you have a pretty good heart and pretty good grounded community of friends and family. community of friends and family, but is, you know, when everyone that you've known your whole life sees this huge contract that you get, is there a challenge with having like this new money that's coming in and everyone knowing, Hey, can I get a little money here and here? Is that a struggle for you to kind of manage that? Or have you been able to do it gracefully? I've been thankful enough to not have too many people. Takers. I say too many, but there's been some struggles here and there over the years. I mean, not even just with the new contract, but even before when you first get through the NBA,

there's always going to be people asking just one time, can you help me do this one time? $1,000, give me this, give me this. Yeah, can you help me put a down payment on this? And I'm just like, I learned early, especially from my mom, you can help people in so many different other ways, not just giving them, just giving. You've got to, you know, hey, I'll help sign you up for this program

or this class to help you get a job in that field that you want to be in. Something along those lines, especially, allows them to learn want to be in. You know, something along those lines, except, you know, especially, um, allows them to, to learn how to, to be independent and learn how to get it on their own as opposed to always, if they get it from me one time, they're going to keep coming back. So empowering as opposed to enabling, right? Exactly. Okay, cool. I like that. Um, what's a non negotiable for you on a daily basis? Are there any things that are non-negotiable? Like every day, I have to do this. I have to eat a certain way or meditate, or I have to play golf or whatever it is, you know, I've got to, you know, say something to my wife or, you know, is there something that's a non-negotiable? Um, I think one is, uh, I would never leave the house without kissing, you know, my son and my wife, you know, if they're there and if we're around each other, that's non-negotiable.

It's definitely going to happen regardless because that's just how I am. Yeah, yeah. Anything else? Is that pretty much? That's about it. Everything else, I'm pretty much open. I'm an open book, open-minded. If you ask me what I'm going to do the rest of the day, I'll just tell you, I don't know.

There you go. whatever comes my way yeah the beautiful thing about being a pro athlete is they have the schedule for you for things you need to do already right everything's scheduled you're like yeah just show up and practice this lift be on time that's it be ready to go that's it actually that's cool who's your biggest mentor or teacher today? Biggest mentor or teacher today? Gosh, I really, I've had so many over my career, but I think one of them is David Porter. He's a recording artist. Back in the day, he did a lot of stuff with Isaac Hayes.

He wrote the song, you know, Hold on, I'm coming. You know, all that good music back in the day. Sure, sure. He's got, you know, so many records, but he's from Memphis, lives there now, and we golf together. We hang out in off-season, and I constantly pick his brain. I constantly learn from him because he's successful in what he does.

He's one of the more successful people in his industry. And to understand where his mindset is and what can I learn from a guy like this? What can I take away? His work ethic and his drive and what drives him, what makes him different. And those are things that we talk about a lot and it's cool to have a friend like that that that uh is is not associated with basketball sure um but uh still can give you the life lessons that's cool what's the biggest thing you've learned from him so far well i think uh the biggest thing for for him has just been probably just you know humility in everything you do, you know, honoring those

before you. It's not about you. You know, it's not about you at the end of the day. It's about those who helped you, those people who got you, helped get you where you're at, how you can affect other people, and just the selfless mindset. And that's the most important thing. Man, you seem like such most important thing, man. You seem like such a humble, grateful guy. I mean, you've created so much, but you seem like just a down to earth, good dude. You know, it's the first time we've interacted and I wasn't

really sure what to expect, but being from, you know, you're from Indiana, correct? Yeah. But Midwest, you're a neighbor to Ohio. So I was like, this guy's got this. Yeah, that's good. I was like, this guy's gotta be a good dude, but I'm just like, so impressed with your humility. And you know, the thought that you're saying, you know, um, thinking about people have been there before you, the people that have helped raise you, the people that have really supported you, because it isn't about just us. You know, we, you didn't do this on your own. It took hundreds of people probably every different stage of your life to set you up to be here. That's really cool, man. I really appreciate that from you.

Is there anything you regret in your life? Gosh. You regret not going back a second year to Ohio State or winning a championship? I think that would be one of my first ones. I wish I could have won before I left. I think that would be one I always think about. I wish I could have won that championship before I went and moved on. one I always think about I wish I could have won that championship and before I went moved on um but at the same time I can't say I regret it fully because I think me having to go through

what I went through at the time being drafted and being on a team that literally lost 60 games you know our first rookie year yeah because you're the fourth pick right yeah fourth pick and we were we weren't very good and the next year we weren't very good i mean it was a culture shock for me to have to go from always being up here that's your whole life yeah to all now now you're at the bottom now you have you don't have many fans in the in there cheering for you they're you know they're angry they're booing all this stuff so i went through a lot you know you know a lot of criticism all all that stuff that comes with it. So I think all that really helped me, you know, kind of reinvent myself, especially mentally, physically, everything. I just worked that much harder.

And I don't know if I would have had that maybe if I, you know, won a championship and been all high and mighty and I got drafted a different position and I was on a good team or whatever. Things could have been different. So I'm just happy that I went through what I did. Yeah, wow. And what's the biggest adversity you've faced from childhood to now, would you say, that you've had to overcome?

Biggest thing I've had to overcome. Was it always easy for you growing up as well? Was it like – It was never easy. I would say that I was good at basketball. I was really, really good at basketball. But the things that I was the smallest person. You were tiny.

I was the smallest person on all of my teams. So it was me having to constantly play. And I never played my age group. So I was always playing. If I was 12, I was playing with 17-year-olds. So I was always small, small. So it was just like for me it was always trying to balance the fact that, yeah, I'm getting beat up, I'm too little, I understand that,

but understand that I'm still five years younger than these guys or I'm four years younger than these guys. I'm not that bad. You're still scoring. Right. So that was one thing for me was just understanding that I can be great. It's just I have to continue to believe that. But, you know, playing up I think helped develop that a little bit.

That's cool. And now you're up for the all-star team nominations right now. Is that right? Yeah. And we find out hopefully in the next – Next month or so. You know, hopefully, you know, the voting started, I think, probably like last week or two weeks ago.

So fans vote, players vote. Yeah. How important is this for you? It'd be very important that I could make it. I think, for me, it's been cool to see guys on my team over the last few years who were new to being All-Stars, become All-Stars, because we all developed at the same time and to see them succeed. And now it's like, all right, everybody else got one.

I want to get one too now. So that would be really cool. But, you know, at the end of the day, I think if we're winning, our team is doing well, it's hard to ignore, you know, when the good teams are winning, the players that they have on there. So I think everybody wins when it comes to that. And this is your best season ever, right, in terms of, like, points and stats? Yeah, having a great year, you know, having a great year,

just trying to stay healthy, man, stay healthy, be on the court, and help the team. That's it. I got a few final questions for you. Okay. And this is a question I ask everyone at the end of the interviews, and it's called the three truths. Okay.

So many, many years from now, you've achieved everything you've ever wanted to do. You've been an all-star however many times you want to be one of the championships. You've done things after sports. Um, and it's your last day here on earth many years from now. Right.

Okay. And, uh, one of your great, great grand grandchildren come up and they say, for whatever reason, everything you've created, all the highlight videos,

it's gone. We can't, we don't have anything to remember you by. So here's a piece of paper and a pen. Gosh, can you write down the three things you know to be true from everything you've experienced in life that you would pass on to us? Essentially your three truths or three lessons that embody you.

It's a great question. I think one would be, I think the number one would probably be that the process is more important than the actual result when it comes to anything in life. I think if you go by the process the right way, you prepare the right way, you work the right way, you do the right things, that if you are able to succeed, you will.

If you have that opportunity, it's great. Sometimes it's ups and downs. Some people get lucky. But if you don't make it and you gave everything you had to it, you did what you did. But don't be fed up if the result doesn't match what the, you know, the work you put in because you at least gave yourself that chance. And I think that's one. Two, I think for me is always, like I said, it goes back to humility, goes back to, you know, if you are you are constantly not thinking about yourself, you're constantly unselfish, you're constantly worried about the other person, you're a happier person.

You're able to live life full as opposed to just always worrying about yourself, always worrying about what you are doing. But I think that would be one. The final one. Gosh, that's a good one. Final one. Man.

Final one, I think, just goes, just hits on everything is belief, you know, have faith, have hope, no matter how dark the time is, just always have faith, always have hope and believe in yourself because whatever situation you're in, there's a way out. There's a way you can get there, and you have to constantly be pushing that into your mind, just believing, confidence, and just knowing that you can do something even when somebody tells you you can't and uh even when they a door shuts you know open the next one you know go that way you know and just not not you know be be okay with with stopping at that door and saying oh this is this is what god gave me or this is my situation i just i started here and this is where i'm in just continue to to rise right that's cool i love it those are great truths man thanks for that um before i ask the final question i want to take a moment, Mike, to acknowledge you for your incredible heart, man.

You've got such a big heart. You're so humble, and you're so driven to be the best that you can be. And you're such an example of what's possible for people. I mean, again, being always the smallest guy, and look what you've done now. You've created history in the nba and you've done some incredible things but i think what i wish people could experience about you the most is your humility and the fact that you are so humble so giving so caring about other people as well it just is a it's a testament to you man and i want to really acknowledge you for that gift

for me that's more impressive than the stuff you do at the NBA. That's what I want to be remembered by at the end of the day. It's not what I do on the court. Yeah, you're a genuine guy, and it's really cool, man. So I acknowledge you for that. Before I ask the final question, where do you like to hang out the most online? Do you like Instagram, Twitter, Facebook? Where are you most? Where should we follow you?

Yeah, I'm on Instagram. I love the IG, man. Yeah, Mac11 is my name, M-A-C-11. Okay. So that's my number one probably, Twitter. I get on as well. That one's mconley11. Okay, cool.

So both of those I get on. But, you know, for the most part, I just kind of surf and look at different pages and look at the funny stuff, you know. Cool. Awesome. We'll follow you there. And the final question is what's your definition of greatness? I think my definition of greatness is I think not only being the best but knowing that you are the best at whatever you do,

knowing that you have achieved a level, not just how you, not because you achieved it, but how you achieve that, that success, the, the, the steps you took,

the, where you started from to where you're at. That gap is what defines greatness and what makes greatness. I think out of anybody. Mike, you're the man, brother. Appreciate you, man. Thank you. Thank you.

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