The School of Greatness - 449 Andy Grammer: From Street Performing to Platinum Artist

Episode Date: February 22, 2017

"I am equally as relentless as I am talented." - Andy Grammer If you enjoyed this episode, check out show notes, video, and more at http://lewishowes.com/449

This is episode number 449 with multi-platinum recording artist, Andy Grammer. Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, former pro-athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin. Oh, we've got a big one today, guys.

I was enamored with our guest today and the adversity that he overcame to achieve his dream. Now, for those that don't know who Andy Grammer is, you are in for a beautiful treat. He is an American singer, songwriter, and record producer. His debut album, Andy Grammer, was released in 2011 and swamped the hit singles Keep Your Head Up and Find By Me. He became the first male pop star in a decade since John Mayer in 2002 to reach the top 10 at Adult Pop Radio on his first two singles.

His second album, Magazines or Novels, was released in 2014 with Back Home as the first single. And the album's second single, Honey I'm Good, is his most successful song to date, peaking at number nine on the Billboard Hot 100. Now, this single has been certified multi-platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America and was ranked one of the 10 best-selling songs of 2015. And that is just the beginning, my friends. He just released his new single, Fresh Eyes. And man, I was so fascinated by what Andy again had to do to get to where he's at today.

Now, some of the main things we covered are his transition from busking as a street performer in Santa Monica for years to making it as an artist that he is today. Also, what Andy wants people to feel after he does a concert, the role pain plays in creating success for Andy and for all people, how long it actually takes to get paid for your work as an artist, what to do when it feels like the world is telling you no to your dream and why balance is so important for everyone, including the super successful. Guys, I really hope you enjoy this one. Make sure to share it out with your friends, lewishouse.com slash 449 and check out Andy on social media as well as you're listening to

this episode. And without further ado, let me introduce to you the one and only Andy Grammar. you the one and only Andy Grammer. Welcome back everyone to the School of Greatness podcast. I'm pumped for our guest today, Andy Grammer in the house. Good to see you, man. How are you? How are you doing? Dude, good to be here.

I'm excited for this. You are, you're a big inspiration, I think, for so many people because you didn't make it big as like this pop singer star early on, right? You were busking on 3rd Street is what I read. Totally. Is that true? Yeah, that's true. It was a crazy way, yeah. How long were you busking for?

About four years of that being like my main source of income. Four years? Yeah. On 3rd Street? Mm-hmm. That's crazy, man. It's funny to hear all these, all the stories behind a lot of like big companies are like, you know, somebody selling shoes out of the back of their lot of like big companies are are like you know somebody's selling shoes out

of the back of their van or or like some some small level of of just going for it and that was that's definitely what i did for about four years four years and you went every single day or was it just like on the weekend like it was usually more on the weekends and then you know i would go uh a lot during the week as well just to sing Like you just have to be doing so much of what, of what you love when it comes to like art, you have to really, the curve of when you get paid is, is,

is like non-existent, non-existent, non-existent, non-existent, non-existent. And then like, Oh, there you go.

Now we get it. Unless somebody like gets, unless you're making someone feel something incredible. Yeah. You know, which is really hard i always say that in other industries i don't know if it's the same like if you uh if there's like nine to five jobs i feel like you can get hired based on the idea that they'll train you and

you'll learn how to do it yes and stuff like you know any any art form is like well they're like no one's training you no one's training you and if i think your song is like kind of good then i'm not gonna get it i have to actually go like, oh, my God. It's amazing. I have to cry or be super inspired. I have to cry or something. The hair has to stand up on my arms. And so that was a great lesson to learn over a four-year period on the street

was how to be able to read people as well. I'm like, all right, I'm playing this song, and you don't care. And I'm playing some cover song. Yeah, I I'm playing this song and you don't care. And I'm playing some cover song. Yeah, I'm playing a cover song. You don't care. It's probably me. Right, right. At some point, you got to go like, all right,

something here should shift, you know. I mean, that's probably the greatest training you could have had is busking. It was really, it was just unbelievable training, man, to really go every, to go so many days in a row for four years and get, I got so good at playing the covers and stuff

and my own songs that I would spend most of my time just listening to what people would say as they walked by. So I'd be playing my, yeah,

I still have like that trained, my manager knows that if he comes to a sound check or something, he keeps his, yeah, and he tells everybody too,

he's like, yeah, Andy, Andy, he's listening. I know, I do think he's singing but like he's listening.

Wow, that is impressive. So a lot of it was coming from a place of um how do i how am i of service to you right now how am i actually gonna affect you you know those are my favorite songs when you hear it like shifts you or makes you feel better or feel worse in like a cool way or you know something and so a lot of the shift on the street was how do i switch the service because when you're bad in the beginning everybody's ears are doing you a service we've all felt that yeah we've all like gone to our friend's uh little bar gig and been like i'm here for you

bro right that's it but i'd rather not be'm here for you. Your stuff is like getting there, but I'm giving you right now, right? Wow. And so over four years, if you're listening to the cues and you put in all your work all the time into songwriting and trying to figure out how do I switch that? How do I switch it to where now I'm doing you a service? People are like 20 yards away and they hear something and then they walk over to you. That's like across all levels of like voice. Is my voice just not good enough? Do I need to sing so much?

Do I need to get a vocal coach? Like what do I got to do so that when you walk by, you're like pleasantly like befuddled at how you're feeling. And you're like just drawn to like grabbing your wallet and just giving you cash. Yes, to actually get someone who's walking, who didn't expect to get like attacked by music today and was just going to buy some jeans um or is on like vacation and they're

just walking past it's like such a shift to get them to go like i want that that's awesome that's a pretty great skill if you can get someone to stop and grab their wallet and give you cash yeah just in like 30 seconds and i think that probably across most businesses that's that's what you're trying to do of any sort is like how do we get someone to feel like we're doing them a service that they need like and actually doing it for them yeah in a way that's like a better than they were expecting not just pushing something that they think they should have but yeah something really but giving them something like they're feeling and i think a lot of that comes from your intent as well like i'm not trying to i'm not trying to manipulate you as you walk by i'm like trying to move you yeah i feel like i'm i'm on earth to like write songs that like

make people feel something so uh that's like a worthy why right so then it's just like every day go and try and figure it out so like my my journey was i would go out and play for eight hours and no one would stop oh my gosh and then i would then I would, like, play Maroon 5 Sunday morning. And then, like, they'd kind of stop. For a minute. So then, like, I'd be out there for eight hours. And say my cycle was, like, 30 minutes or 40 minutes of, like, the same songs. I noticed that, like, everybody stops when I play Maroon 5 Sunday morning.

And then they all quickly leave again. Wow. Once I play my next original stuff. So then I was like, I've got to figure out how to write. Let's go after this. And so then I wrote my first album with me just trying to write that song over and over and over and over again. Holy cow, man. Pretty nutty, yeah. How did you survive?

Were you making enough money that first year? Or did you have another side job here? No, that was how I how I did it I was able to like 100 bucks a day 100 bucks a day type stuff wow yeah it was like pity money a lot of it some of it was pity money um some of it was like I can be pretty like aggressive and shameless like if a little I remember at that point it was all just like at all costs entertain you even if my music isn't like take your shirt off and yeah oh there's a little girl walking by like you want me to write her a song right now what's up what's your name sophia yeah do this just like that's like the lowest form of course that's the lowest form of uh of service yeah still is though now at least at least you give a shit about me like you still like

okay cool you're gonna you're gonna like personalize something for me and i remember growing up like i always loved things that were impressive or entertaining so i like got into magic and i got into uh you know i'm gonna try to learn how to do like a backflip like these are like the smallest forms of like yeah you're gonna be impressed and you're gonna get something from me and then as i got older the more that i fell in love with like, ooh, but like where the real fun comes in is my favorite form is like songwriting because I can get in. If I do it right, like I can get in there and like shift some things around you or make you think about something that you might not – that you're probably going through. going through. I like to say that it's like the analogy that I overuse and anybody that's heard me in an interview has heard me say this many times, but it's like Newton wrote out what gravity was. And everybody at the time was like, yeah, all the time, actually. Like every second of my day,

I deal with gravity and you wrote it and you said it correctly. So now my whole experience in life is vastly more interesting because of the way that you like put that together you know and so that's like my that's my favorite that's what makes that's what gets me psyched about is like doing that what's the greatest uh line you've ever written uh put together that's resonated with people in such a way that they feel that way also about their life um man there's so many different ways to do it there's like you can you can be inspirational which is really cool so my first single was called keep your head up and i got a lot of incredible uh feedback and stories and you know i had a girl come up to me in swingers in la and she said that i saved her life wow because she was on a bridge and she was like driving

pretty fast and she was done like she'd given up and she was ready to just like go off the bridge. She said her hands were like shaking on the wheel and she was ready to do it. And then she said to keep your head up, came on the radio and she's like, ah, and she stayed on. Wow. And she came up to me with like a super serious look on her face and was like, I just need to tell you that like you saved my life. I'm still going through shit, but like, I appreciate you.

Wow. Like, oh my God. god amazing that's unbelievable you know and and and really believing that if you go after you know what you what your purpose is here that it can really affect other people in an incredible that is powerful man i'm sure there's many stories like that for you too and i think it's interesting you know keep your head up may seem like a simple phrase or whatever. But I think it's not exactly what you say, but how you say it and the intention behind it and the way you package it. And so there's a way in which you packaged it. Yeah.

The phrase with the music, the song, the words, your energy, your passion. And I think a lot of that is like there's like a relentlessness to it. Yeah. like uh there's like a relentlessness to it yeah like some like i especially as someone that tries to loves to loves to write songs like that the it's such a razor sharp edge of just being the worst cheesy song you've ever heard like keep your head up even just the title you're like right i don't know about that one right i'm not sure that one's gonna like i don't know um and what was funny is that was I think people could feel the reason that that one did well I just lost my mom she passed away about eight years

ago and I was that song came from being on the street without getting any any real sick like acknowledgement success no one's no one's seeing you for what you think you are um that period of my life i remember just like rehearsing and playing all the time and i actually had someone come and not i was like rehearsing in my santa monica apartment and there was a knock on the door and i went out and there was a little sticky note that said literally it said give up the dream your voice is terrible and i remember and there was nobody even there oh my god there wasn't even someone i could be like oh well you're just you just suck like you're just the worst person ever it was just like the world being like uh give up like stop and so i was out

on the street doing my thing and there was a whole day that went by where i didn't get any any dollars and i was like wow man this is really intense and i have my little cart zero dollars zero dollars the whole day i don't know if it was like overcast or something or no one was coming but it's such a funny thing uh such like a sweet defiance uh to to follow your purpose even when you're you're the only reason you're allowed to be there is because it's freedom of speech right so you're there permit yeah you have're allowed to be there is because it's freedom of speech. Right? And you have a permit. Yeah, you have a permit.

I paid. You paid like $100. Like $35 for the year to be able to just have freedom of speech with my guitar. And I'm singing to no one. Wow. And people that are there are just not interested and they're walking by. And I like packed all my stuff up. Just like, man, amazing. Wow. Okay. I like packed all my stuff up just like man amazing wow okay and I'm leaving and I looked

up at the sky and I was like uh your move whatever's up there I literally will never leave so if you want me to be here in 50 years just like singing because this is the only opportunity that I have I'm going hard at it then I'll be here like it's It's your call. And I do believe there is something about once you state your intentions and once you put it out there into the universe of where you're going, then some things go like – it's like the secretary at the desk of the universe is like, no, he's serious. We can give it to him now. He's not going to leave.

We should probably give it to this guy. He's just going to be annoying. Andy's going to be annoying until something – and you know after that i went home and then i wrote that song wow and i oh but i do believe you know my mom had passed away i had i had zero dollars i was living in a pretty crappy apartment and uh and so out of that if you hear that guy sing keep your head up then you're like oh I'll listen to what you have to say. Go ahead. What do you got?

It wasn't like everything in your life was good. It wasn't like some sort of trust fund baby that was like, everybody, it's cool. Pain is something that grounds a lot of the positive stuff. Of course. You need them both to make it feel real. Wow. Dude, I'm so fascinated by this. Was there a moment where you were like busking, where you felt like, wow, there's actually this theme of people constantly showing up?

Was it like two years in, three years in, where you're like, wow, I'm getting like 50 people around here every time I play a song? And people are actually coming up to me and being like, thank you. You just changed my day. Yeah. You've got to be bigger than this. It's funny because I do love to talk about this because I don't know if I heard enough of this when I was coming up. So in any business or art form, I think we're so quick. One of my favorite quotes is the reason we struggle with insecurity is because we compare our behind the scenes with everybody else's

highlight reels right so like you go through your life and you're like man i'm i'm on year three out here and did prince do this right you know like it was prince on the street i don't i've all i've seen of prince is on the cover of billboard right and i feel like maybe he just like was born on billboard right um and so i i like to try and be as open as possible because i think there's probably a lot of people out there that are really good and have something awesome to share with the world and need to know that i i didn't just go like oh it's working i went my cover of this band that I think I like makes people stop for 30 seconds. And then I slowly was like, I'm going to write 10 songs that sound like that one. And out of those 10, none of them are good.

But the 10th one is kind of intriguing. So I'm going to write another 10. Like that one, yeah. Yeah, I like this one. So then you write another 10. And guess what? Number 7 of those 10, you're getting people to at least take a look. Clap.

And just over and over and over and over again. So there's a relentlessness to whatever greatness that I think is really, really important. How many songs have you written? So that's another story that's fun to tell is like uh the last off my last album this song honey i'm good that was so i'm so blessed to have it went like triple platinum super cool congrats but it was song 101 right that you've written no just for that album wow so we'd wrote i basically wrote 50 songs because i had some success with keep your head up and uh song fine by me and i was like really excited to come back.

But also there was the first time I had pressure while I was writing, which is different. Wow. I mean, it's pressure in your own right to like write something good. But then if you know eyeballs are going to be on you and ears are going to be listening when you release something next. I wrote 50 songs that were all me and my manager call Me Too. So it's like kind of sound like what was big at the time was like the avicii song yes so i had one that was like and me as well with that or like uh you know whatever you just like listening to the radio going like i could do that right um and so after getting the end of

those 50 took a lot like a hard look at them and was like yeah these are like all me too and it's really hard because i was like six months of my life every day like going after these and like demoing them all the way out and being like but there's something in here that feels like it's trying to be somebody else and it's just not gonna work so we threw them all away and then i just started again and wrote another 50 got to the end of that 50 and then had like, I knew that I had something I was really proud of and the songs were great. But my manager came in and we listened to the album through and we're like, I don't know if we have,

I don't know if we have the one that if someone's just walking by to get jeans, they're going to stop and pull out a $10 bill. And so then just kept going. And the next day, then the next day after that uh we wrote this song called honey i'm good happened so there's like yeah i think uh there's a lot of positive uh energy positive thinking intention all that good stuff and then and then that only works if you are insanely relentless yeah with it yeah yeah gosh man um yeah so so if i was to say i do think that i'm talented but i think i'm equally as relentless as i am talented yeah that's what i want anyone who

listens that feels like um is that questions they feel like that we all have this little voice inside it's like and it talks so quiet i feel like maybe i get like maybe and if you want to get that voice louder that comes from being relentless yeah yeah four years on the streets yeah get no money no money no claps crazy too is i'm sure like for you as well what would you consider like you love to what's your favorite part of all this to help to see people like i mean i love it all i love connecting with people like you and getting to hear these stories and learn myself and i'd love to be able to share the wisdom of the world shit yeah exactly various formats and so i'm sure that like if you were in a living room

uh before people started to know your name and you did you did this thing with somebody and it wasn't going to go out to your massive following, you'd be like, that was great. I still loved it, yeah. I love, you know? So I think that there's that as well. There were days on the street, and I always think about that, like, wow,

like, if there was a way to measure happiness, I don't feel like I'm any happier right now. And that's not a bummer. That's not like, oh, man, I got to figure it out. It's like no no like when i was on the street and there was like a japanese soccer team that was coming through and somehow i did get them and now there's like a squad of 20 people that are all really excited because i'm it's just the act of doing the service when someone really needs what you have and you do

the service for them that feels amazing and so that was all like i don't remember those years as terrible and i think that growth is what makes you happy so that you could feel that you were growing you know right i think it would be hard right now to go back that would be tough yeah like i over growing yeah i you know like i grandize it because i remember it being so cool and then i'll go back out and be like oh yeah that was a different time i don't know if i'm right come back out here be like, ah, yeah, that was a different time. I don't know if I need to come back out here right now. Sure.

But it was really special at that time. Wow. After you released your first album, did you ever go back out to the busk? Yeah, yeah. And the people that are out there, it's like one of my favorite things ever is a lot of them have heard of me. Just because, not because I'm like super famous,

but if you're someone that's going to go out and play on the street you probably have heard of a couple people that has made it who's made it yeah so i'll walk down in places like um where where there are street performers and i'll get recognized and i'll go walk and sing with the people on the street or um i'll usually if if i can i try to drop a massive tip right Right, right. Stay for four years. Here's $100. Keep doing what you're doing. It might take forever, but enjoy it.

Follow it. Don't stop. You know what I mean? $100 tip's pretty nice. Yeah. I got one from Alec Baldwin, so he set the bar for me. Really? Yeah, totally.

His daughter was totally- On Third Street? On Third Street, yeah. $100. $100. Was this like year four? This was early. I needed that $100.

You're like- Real bad. Oh my gosh. Totally. So cool. This story just inspires me so much. How old were you when you started that and finished busking? So probably like around 20, maybe 24-ish.

Maybe 20, 23, something like that. From like 23 to 27 I think is around where it was now at 20 you know five or whatever where most of the artists i feel like the younger artists that kind of make it yeah right it's like you're gonna make it by 25 or you're not it seems like most people right did you feel like uh maybe i'm not gonna make it or was it always the goal to like make it and have these top chart uh top hits on on billboard and touring around the world with people. Was that always the vision for you? There was definitely...

It was always about what's my purpose? What is it? Why the hell am I here? And I remember a lot of what I would do because out on the street would be reading things. So to get good spots, you have to wait. So it's not just like go out and set up. McDonald's, in front of McDonald's at 2 p.m. on a Sunday is like a really hard spot to get.

Because it's all first come, first serve. So a lot of times you got to get there at like 7 a.m. and just sit there. And wait for the crowd. And let everybody know. Like all, like, so when the guy with the snake comes by, he goes like, what do you got? I'm like, I'm at two. Nobody, you're like fending everybody off for the best time. And so just sitting there waiting, I would read, try to just read things that were inspiring or figure out.

You know, one of the things that I read, there's a really cool address to the Boston Conservatory by this guy, Carl Polnack. He gave this whole address about if you were a lawyer, you go to law school and everybody gets it and you don't see your friends forever. But for the reason that you know that later on in life, there's going to be someone who's going to come in who needs you so bad. They're going to come in and their ability to stay in this country or or something super heavy is gonna be based on do you know your craft do you know what you're doing do you know how to do this if you're a doctor you go to med school and you go super hard because you know someone's gonna come in with like a broken arm and depending on how hard you worked and how much you know how much of a service you're able to be you can like really affect somebody's life yeah and i remember sitting on the street reading this going like yeah totally like a friday night concert could

just be something that you go see or it it hopefully is something that like shifts your life in like a positive way now it doesn't have to be massive absolutely but i want i want you to feel i want it to be the pick-me-up that you needed for the second half of your year i want it to be like something that takes you out of the bummer of, I don't know, something just went wrong. You got in a car accident today, and that really pissed you off. Or you're starting to get down, and then you come to this show, and you're like, ah, you know what? I feel different. And we've all had that experience with music, when a song can go like, whoa, I feel something.

I remember one of my first concerts was Boyz II Men. Yeah, dude. Back in Ohio, Columbus, Ohio, at the Columbus Amphitheater. And I remember I was like 13 or something, and it was like just started to get into like girls or whatever. And I was like, this is amazing. This is the best night of my life. It was amazing, right?

And I remember like in college going to see John Mayer when he kind of was like just hit the scene and blew up. And I was like, this is unbelievable. So good. I was like moved, and I and blew up and i was like this is unbelievable so good i was like moves and i still remember the feeling yeah right and it got you through some hard times yeah whatever the moment was happening so i definitely know that art is much more than just going to have a good time it could really shift everything about your life and how you're feeling in that moment with relationships or career or health yeah and i think that helps uh remembering that and what

you're going after and why you're writing and why you're putting so much effort in is not like it's not just like oh man i want a great single i don't even know what that means i want a single it's like well what the hell are you talking about i want to like make some art i'm like here this that's what gets me psyched up is to try and create those experiences uh for people you know when you go out on stage and perform now is there a ritual routine that you have or is there an intention you set every time are you just kind of like yeah i mean i kind of go through that uh in like a fun way it sounds like a little bit of a bummer when you use the analogy of the lawyer and the uh and the doctor but i do i do feel like i I have you're coming to me for something

I always try to remember that and when you're doing it each night it gets a little gets a little bit too normal to go out and there's like thousands of people out there and same songs

same songs stuff like that but you have to remember it's really good to do meet and greets and see the fans and have them hear their stories. See them be affected, right? I flew in from Australia because I knew that you were going to be here tonight, and we planned our whole vacation around this.

It's crazy. So you're like, oh, man, I really want to deliver. I think that's the biggest thing is that we all have different ways we affect each other. I really want to deliver for the people that come. What do you want people to feel when you're done after a concert? I really want them to feel like the best concerts that I've been to or any great art, any great writing.

When I leave, I just went, I'm a huge Magic fan. It's so dorky. It's awesome. I love Magic. I wish I could magic fan. So dorky. It's awesome. I love magic. I wish I could do it. Do it is my favorite. So I just went and saw Penn and Teller in Vegas. Oh, yeah. Was it great?

It was so well done. That's cool. Like there's something when art is done great. I don't care what it is. It's a great movie. It's a great theater show. You know, it's really funny. I didn't care about dancing at all.

But when I did that show Dancing with the Stars, there were a couple dances that i watched that were like oh yeah that hit me that made me feel something that's for the first time i haven't really paid attention to dance before like it's amazing right and uh whatever that whatever that feeling is that uh you feel like everybody went through it together and it was so correct in some way like it's like it makes you there's a unity to it that's what i hope i hope when people leave they are reminded that we live uh that this world can be like magical i 100 you know what i mean i just feel like 100 agree you talk about like uh all this a lot of positive stuff like i i feel like we live in a magical place it's bonkers

i remember the first time me and my manager like wrote down what we wanted like that there's a lot of power in in that and we we actually just sat down like well okay so if everything went perfect like what would you want like all right i want uh i want like a tour bus for my next tour yeah like i want to van anymore yeah yeah yeah and you have to almost like say it like that like don't judge me while i while i dream you know i want a tour bus i want some singles that go number one i want a platinum i want a couple platinum singles i want these things and you write them out and then you look at them and i remember it all happened wow and then we came back and saw it and i was like yo like harry potter's not that all not that far off like this

is crazy like this world if you're willing to to uh be passionate and go after what you love like things are amazing here you know and spend 10 years doing it yeah you know yeah and really just put in the time exactly it's uh it's unbelievable unbelievable. And did you always want to do music when you were growing up? Because I read that you didn't make the a cappella group. Is that right? I didn't make – You're like the Michael Jordan of music. I didn't make the a cappella group.

The college a cappella group. Yep. They're called the Crosbys. Whatever. They were – yeah, dude, my voice wasn't good enough at the time. It's okay. I think that stuff, like we were talking about with your wrist, it's good to have stuff not go well for you in the beginning

and push and freak out and fight through it. Were you singing a lot as a kid, like growing up? Well, my dad is... He's a producer, right? He's a children's singer. Okay. Children's singer. Children's singer. Like one of the best his name is red grammar he's amazing uh i tell people i almost don't want you to go listen to his stuff because then you realize i just rip i just ripped him you know i got so much from him and growing up my mom was a songwriter as well

wow i grew up in a house where they were writing music all the time and uh you know it was really kind of a cool to have your mentor be someone who just goes after what they what they feel they're here to do even if it's not amazingly cool or or whatever you know my dad like it's he first spent a bunch of time trying to be a solo artist in in like pop music and then he he came to terms with the fact that like i'm i'm here to be a kid singer wow and what does that mean to be a solo artist in in like pop music and then he he came to terms with the fact that like i'm i'm here to be a kid singer wow and what does that mean to be a kid and i'm amazing at it what does that even mean that means that like if you ever went to like one of my dad's shows tons of people and parents bring um four to like nine year olds uh and and sometimes like it varies and and he he's able to teach them like uh values and

morals without them knowing it they're just it's the best it's like the sesame street of sesame street yeah yeah he was like in the raffi era he was nominated for a grammy wow and watching him do that was really kind of cool it's you don't even know like what's soaking in about it i listened to i just listened to one of his songs recently on Spotify. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just ripping all this. I just got this all from my dad. It's wonderful.

Yeah, that's interesting. Now, who was more influential for you, mom or dad, growing up? My mom is like a spiritual titan. My mom is like a spiritual titan, and she's like a no bullshit, pretty harsh, but grounded and really loving. And my dad is, I'm very much like my dad, which is like just really happy and very worried all the time to make sure everybody's having a good time. There's a couple other people in here, and I'm just like, are you guys good? Is everybody good good my brain goes like goes like that so to have both of those it was really cool growing up uh just because she's

and I find that I pull people into my life like my mom that that are kind of harsh to keep to make sure that I don't gloss over any important stuff like your manager like my manager yeah I keep people around that like are willing to go at me. Yeah. Cause I know that's like something I need to work on, you know? Hmm. What's the most important lesson they both taught you?

Um, my mom was just fearless about her, uh, her purpose on earth, right? She was just like, it didn't necessarily align with the culture and she didn't care. She was just like, she held all these incredible women's gatherings at our house to bring all the women in the community over to let them know how special they were. Like, that's amazing.

The more that I think back and growing up, you're just like, oh, yeah, that's what my mom does. And everybody would go like, your mom's incredible. And I was like, yeah, that's amazing the more that i like think back and you know growing up you're just like oh yeah that's what my mom does and everybody would go like your mom's incredible and i'd be like yeah that's what moms are moms are right and so the and she when she passed away um you know i just had my birthday party and it's have plenty of things i didn't i didn't want to have anybody bring anything to me i was like please bring uh a story about my mom wow and so there was like 50 of my closest friends we straight up ugly cried through like three hours of this like amazing stories of what my mom had had done for other people in their lives and so there's a depth that i get from her that i think is super important and then my dad is uh just the best to be around and he's amazing and sweet and he's this

like he's this vessel for for kids that's like uh come here like let's sing let's have a good time let me teach you about a couple some things so that's where i think i'm uh i got both sides and uh so i i naturally lean uh light and sweet but I get bored quickly unless we're talking about some shit. Right. Right? Yeah. What's the thing you love to talk about the most? You know, right now, this next album is a lot about just a lot about like pain.

Kind of like what we're talking about. kind of like what we're talking about like that's such a fascinating law of the universe is how do you deal with uh with struggle and with difficulties and with pain and and uh the more that you go through stuff and then you see how much you grew from it how does your relationship with it stand you like are you wishing for it to come now because so many of the things that have happened in my life that have been incredible occurred because I went through such terrible stuff. So, yeah, I'm fascinated by that. The relationship of difficulties and pain and then success. Do you feel like you want to be able to be as successful as you are without the pain you've gone through?

100%. I think that it was really important that I went through a tragedy. I don't wish – I miss my mother like fiercely. And I do not wish her that she left me. But I also know that as someone that loves to talk about the bright colors in this world, you don't want to hear that from someone unless they've gone through some stuff.

And I didn't have compassion in a way like i i things just kind of like came easy i was like you know played sports well enough so that nobody picked on me it was like homecoming king like without trying too hard just like kind of like went through like was fairly agreeable around people had like a good time and so then you see the person like the girl like dressed in goth or and you're like and you can tell she's like really upset and you're like so i would go up and try and just be like you should just be happier right which is obnoxious yeah like zero compassion zero understanding you you're like a privileged white kid saying like just like just do it um and so when i got

really like knocked in the gut and my mom passed away and i you know had days walking around los angeles with tears in my eyes uh just like confused i'm like oh man maybe the chicken target who's checking me out that's throwing shade is going through some stuff. That was really important for my growth as a human. Was to go, wow, okay, everybody can and probably does feel like this at some point. Do you feel like you'd be as successful as you are now without that? I think you have to get that somehow. So sure, if my mom didn't pass away and she was still here here i'm sure i would have gotten kicked in the balls some other way you know um yeah wow what's the biggest thing you had to overcome adversity wise last year because it's really your biggest year so far right like

yeah it's kind of taken off you're getting all these platinums you're doing this you're touring with everyone you're like people in cincinnati are screaming your name like yes eddie i think uh my my issue is is like along with being relentless i think as soon as you get into your 30s you realize like relentless is cool uh but it's not just a it's not just like a one button you can hit you can just be like all right cool let. Just be relentless. Because I collapsed on my vacation because I had just been going and not sleeping. So I think that's one of the biggest words you find with people in their early 30s, I think, is like, balance is interesting. Where's balance come in? Especially people that are successful to some degree, they start to go like, oh, man, I'm going to die.

I might die if I keep going this route. Something shifts when you hit 30. I'm 33 as well. I'm 33, I'm the same age. I remember hitting 30, I was like, man, 20s, I just was relentless in my own way. No sleep, 3 a.m., go to bed, wake up early, just go all day to try to make it or make something.

I remember hitting 30 being like i need to consider what i'm doing with every area of my life yeah the foods i'm eating in terms of how i'm sleeping in terms of like the conversations the relationships everything needs to be and it's much more um i think that's growth rather than like being weak which is still a really hard thing to you can say those words but especially growing up like a sports kid and uh varsity basketball and like never give up get back up get back up get in there like that there's a lot of voices like that that uh make it difficult to actually go okay cool i'm

gonna take four hours and read a book yeah just in you know because i have this time right now i think that in in an entertainment career it's really unfortunate that a lot of times um when i'm working is when everybody else is off so then it's it's hard for people that are really motivated sometimes to take a break even on a sunday and be like okay so let's chill it's triple hard in my opinion to do it on a tuesday no you know what i mean yeah like okay so i worked uh you know my schedule is like all right you're gonna go do five gigs that start on thursday because that's when the party starts so thursday friday saturday sunday then you go monday and then you do some other like now you gotta write songs on tuesday and then tuesday and then wednesday is your day off. But management is still going strong.

Agents got stuff going on. All your friends a lot of times are doing their thing. And you just feel like it's really difficult to chill out on a Wednesday when you know that that's what you still need. So that was probably one of my hardest things to try and tackle. Because I literally fainted. It scared the crap out of my wife i was like in the shower and we went on vacation to ireland and that was like i had just been on like a marathon run of of uh just being kind of hot in the industry so everybody calls and i'm being so excited like oh yeah all day let's do every

single thing right so i'll i'll take the red eye and then do that and do that. Do the morning show. Do the morning show and then we'll do it at night. And just like didn't sleep for a year. And just like my body was like, all right, no. You collapsed in the shower. I collapsed in the shower, scared the crap out of my wife. And then so the next year was like really about working on,

you know, how do we not die? How do we not die? How do we go after our dreams without dying? So how do we not die how do we not die how do we go after our dreams without dying so how do you do that now are you scheduling like breaks in the day are you i think that i yeah it's a lot about kind of understanding yourself and putting priorities on on things and so going like yeah i also just like love i'm just like excited i don't want to miss things so i don't you know i don't want to miss out on if all the friends want to go see a movie and I'm home, but I need to sleep. Up until last year, it was always like, just go.

This is awesome. Life is good. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. Placing a premium on this idea that rest and downtime is important and you're not being weak, it's actually going to make you better. It's still something that I like hear and go, okay, I'm trying to take that in. I believe that.

Because now your career is really kind of going like this. And so it's like you want to make sure you're taking all the opportunities. Yeah, and you don't want to miss the whole point of of this you know like achievement is only so much of it you know yeah it's true yeah man what are the what do you feel like you gained or because you didn't kind of make it in the music industry do you feel like early on do you feel like you gained a lot from kind of the different pressures of the industry or the BS that goes on in the industry since you kind of like are doing it on your own terms? Man, I cannot imagine how hard it would be for your ego.

I say this so sincerely. If you made it and you were on the cover of magazines at like 16, that would be so hard to handle because so much of that is awesome and cool. And so much of it is like hilarious and not what, what has to do. Like it's so not important. But if it gets wrapped up in who you are and that's what your thing is, is to be the guy that's on the magazine. Like one of the

things uh on the street is you realize that you're you're the you're the coolest thing for like 20 minutes usually that's when you make all your money so you go out on the street for eight hours and you'll play and play and play and play and play and the only way that you actually get a big crowd is when you get enough people surrounding you that the person walking by can't see in and that's what draws somebody in those street performers are so they're amazing at it they'll like literally take you and put you in a in a semi-circle come here yeah come here now can you come in closer please and then they're like we have to yeah and then they'll like start yelling at you making you senior

and then they've got like comedy and all these other things involved. They're really, really good at it. They're brilliant. And so what you find is that you can be out there for eight hours, and actually you're waiting for the moment of magic to happen. And when that moment happens, now there's 50 people that can't see. And so now there's a lot of people, and then you stop, and then everybody buys the CD at that moment. very rarely do you make a bunch of money because throughout the day someone comes up and

gives you and like slow it's like it's not like a trickle it's like it all hits at once wow um and then and then they're all gone so you're like recreated again so yeah you're like loser loser loser loser awesome loser loser loser loser loser that's the day goes. And so you kind of get used to that. And so I think that the, you know, that's the pattern. And so when that happens at these higher levels, you go, yeah, that's like the, that's the rhythm. That's what happens. That's how this goes.

How did you feel or how did you handle failure? I guess if it was like constant failure every single day, every hour failure, except for like one 10 minute spot where you didn't fail. Yeah. How do you continue to bring yourself back day after day, year after year, knowing you're failing constantly every single day and that you're, I like to think that you get,

I feel very uncomfortable now if I'm not failing in some way, you know, it's like, um, I make this analogy only because I'm not like the best gym. It's like I make this analogy only because I'm not the best gym guy. You seem like you are. I try.

My girlfriend is a machine. She's a machine. You go every day? Five days a week. Five days a week. Oh, yeah, you try. So I wouldn't feel comfortable saying that I'm an exercise freak,

but I have worked out with people. One of my best friends, this guy named Justin Baldoni, he's on like Jane, the verge. He's like a great actor, obnoxiously good looking. And we go to this sometimes,

like I tried to go to the gym with him and his level of workout was just like, this is, I don't want to hang out. You're insane. This is crazy. Right. What you think, what you're comfortable doing and the neck,

the headset that you're in is like the level of pain uh or struggle that you're comfortable with here is so much more than i am in this area it's amazing and i would hope to think where i do feel confident is like failing uh creating a show failing writing music failing uh in these areas i would i would put myself up against anybody in that way right so like i'll write 101 songs and fail the whole time with a smile and figure out how to keep getting back up so and i could because i know and the same way that he knows when his bicep is hurting like hell he gets accustomed to like that's that's what this is that's how i feel comfortable and i can tell you that he was doing a workout where he didn't feel that he'd be like well let's go harder because i don't unless that's that's happening or that feeling of pain is

occurring then i'm probably not growing and so failure in the beginning is hard to take and then now if i go two months without like a like a big kick to my ego to something like that i'm like man i'm probably not pushing in the way that I should be pushing. So those things start to become your friends in a strange, strange way. Yeah. Yeah.

Gosh, man. What was the, was there ever a time you lose your audience? Yeah. Where you're performing now? There's thousands of people there and you feel like,

ah, I'm 30 minutes into this set and I've lost the audience. Yeah. And if so, how do you reconnect to bring the entire audience? So this is something that my band absolutely despises about me is I like to – I'm very – I don't care what the set list is. I'm always like how do we do this together?

How do we create an event? How do we create a feeling by the end of this that we're all doing it together? So I'm much – I see it much more like a catcher like calls the pitches for the pitcher yes and so we'll have we have a set list and sometimes there's even like like musical breaks that are all planned out but i will just like cut that shit if it's not working if you're in a zone where like because uh if the crowd is skewing like a little bit older for some weird reason that night or if it's like way younger or if it's or i don't know if it's raining outside younger or if it's or i don't know if it's raining outside it needs to be addressed do i need to like jump out in the crowd we all

need to like get like yeah i i that is i think to varying degrees what happens every night is you're you have everybody at a fever pitch and then something happens where you like lose them a little bit and then you like okay that goes back to my thing of uh while i'm singing sometimes like listening yeah i'm trying to make this a dance that's powerful yeah like how do we do this in a Like, okay, that goes back to my thing of while I'm singing sometimes, like listening. Yeah. Trying to make this a dance. Gosh, that's powerful, man. Yeah, like how do we do this in a way? I'm here for you.

I'm here to try to make some amazing stuff happen. And if it happens for you, then I'm the happiest that I've ever been. I mean, you're more of a jazz player than anything then. To some degree. But being able to play off and on with the crowd and the band and hearing. Trying to figure out how to make it work. Yeah, yeah. It's funny. My brother brother he's the number one jazz violinist in the world hell yeah played with les paul for 10 years played at his funeral he's been all over

the world and i would grow up watching him essentially you know do what you did but for like 10 20 people at these little jazz bars or like dive bars in ohio or restaurants he'd play at restaurants every sunday to make money and all these different things. And I would see him just be ruthless in his ask for people. After he'd play, he would just put his CD in people's hands. Love it. And just be like, will you buy my CD to each person in the room? Dude.

It was relentless. It's so funny. He was just like, he didn't care. My wife, I respect the hell out of that. My wife always laughs at me because when people are coming at you to sell you something, a lot of times it's horrifically annoying. Yes. But I respect it. So I'm always like a little bit, I never say, I never am rude to anybody.

For like walking through New York City to go to something and it's like, yo, you like music? Check my album, bro. How do i answer that question uh no i don't i don't want anything but i always go like but i like i respect you possibly like please keep going i'm not your guy today but like do not stop because i really do genuinely respect that yeah and it's funny when you say one more thing about failure like being you start to seek out like i had this show at Grove. It's so cool when they do that. I don't know if you've ever been to one of those.

They put the stage there. It's amazing. It's like a free concert. So everybody comes. When was this? Maybe I saw you there sometime. This was probably like two and a half years ago. It's the best, man.

It's just packed down there. It's packed. And we play our first song. We go into the second song. And the cameraman kicks off the power accidentally. Someone down below and now literally nothing's coming. There's no sound and I can't hear. Guitar and –

But when you've had enough things go wrong in your life and you see them as opportunities, rather than be like, I'll just wait for everybody to come back. Right. Your brain goes into like, man, this could, this could be the thing. This is like, this is, this is now the moment.

So I stood up on my chair, acapella and was like, everybody, I have a song exactly for this. It's called keep your head up. We're all going to sing it together, like acapella. And then like thousands of people in the Grove altogether,

like, of course, laugh, excited. I'm standing alone on a stool, on my stool that I brought out into like right in front of the crowd and we sang um an acapella version of keep your head up together but and then and then by the time we were done we had more stuff more power it came out and you start that happens enough times in your life to where you could when things

come at you that are seem terrible you go wait wait is this the is this like the thing is this like the special moment that everybody's gonna remember and i get that's like probably one of the most talked about things my fans say like man you remember that time like all the power went out and i'm so dope right yeah yeah that's like kind of a metaphor for like how to how to think how to try and be and i'm i clearly am not that way always there's plenty of times sure this is the worst uh put the power back on yeah just put the power back on, please. I'm not feeling it today. I'm not feeling especially inspiring today.

Right. Yeah, that's cool. What's the thing that you're most proud of that most people don't know about you? What am I most proud of? Really interesting question. I would say... interesting question i would say um people probably know it about no it's so funny like social media like everybody knows i don't know maybe maybe just the level of um

i don't know i take like a lot of pride in how much time I put into spirituality and like really trying to have that be a guiding light I think people probably do know that about me but

and it's weird to say I'm proud of myself for that but that is what I I really like excites me I think that we we have influences we feel very comfortable that about me but and it's weird to say i'm proud of myself for that but that is what i i really like excites me i think that we we have influences we feel very comfortable saying that we have influences in other ways people ask me like oh you uh like who are influences on this album it's very easy you go like oh cool well i was listening to billy joe a lot love a lot of john mayer lauren hill's freaking awesome gosh lauren hill's amazing yeah but like we don't ask a ton of times like who who's who's the influence on your life who who are your like influences uh that about

being a good person you know and and i've i've really enjoyed that that process of like you know i just recently just read a book about mother theresa i was just like blown away right and getting into gandhi a little bit like spending some time with like a Martin Luther King speech, just like trying as much as possible to put energy into just, into just that. Just like, how do you actually, who are,

who are your influences on a daily basis that have nothing to do with like achievement, but about like making your soul a little bit better. That's cool. Is that a weird thing to be proud of? No, I think it's awesome. I was checking. I think I'd rather be that a weird thing to be proud of? No, I think it's awesome. Okay, let's check in.

I think I'd rather be a great human being and be known for that as opposed to someone who wrote books and did all these other things and hit achievements but someone who was a good human being.

Yeah, which is not just going to happen. No, no. It's like, oh, cool, you're just a great human being. Yeah. Good job,

you didn't do anything for it. Exactly. It's like, man, there's a lot of energy and time and thought that hopefully goes into gaining tools on how to hopefully be a better person or just putting a lot of energy and time into that. Yeah.

Yeah. That's great, man. A few final questions for you. Yes. Yes. If your mom was still here and you had another chance to sing her one song. What would the song be? And what would you want her to feel? So my mom was, you know, the time I played her my first song, I was like 15.

Again, she was the heart. She was the grounded, harsh side, which I needed so desperately. And she wasn't like, oh god it's amazing she was like her answer was uh she i played it for her she goes like there's a lot going on in there it's like a lot of chords and there's uh like she had a lot of like comments like directly a lot of feedback yeah which i wasn't necessarily like ready for i was coming to like to my mom like what do you think about this and she's like well you know this is what it. I was coming to like to my mom like, hey, what do you think about this? And she's like, well, you know, this is what you want. If you want to like actually write a song, like let me give you some feedback.

So probably I also don't know that she doesn't like hasn't played a part in a lot of it. I think that we don't understand inspiration. Any artist will tell you that some of the best stuff they like just came out of them where did that come from it's super interesting to have uh i don't know what anybody's spiritual beliefs are but when you have a mom that passes away i feel like i have somebody looking out for me wherever the hell she's at and i don't i i honestly cannot say that she hasn't like helped with some i i guarantee she probably has um so that's actually the sweetest answer i can think of is like i'd play her and she'd be like yeah i did that you know like that's really sweet

and and we you know we really don't know like like when a when a director has this crazy idea to do a movie. Is that him? Or a lot of times when you hear the best artist, they go, yeah, it was a channel. I was like, I felt like, I've had songs just fall out. Some of my favorite ones. And you go, where the hell did that come from? It's like the most exhilarating feeling ever to have something just fall out.

And those don't happen a ton. Most of the time you're like slaving away to get something to feel reasonably cool but uh yeah i guess i would probably play her i'm really proud of honey i'm good as well uh sonically it's like one of the weirdest ones i've ever done uh and also just that you could that you could talk about something like that yeah that's cool man wow okay um this is a question I call the three truths. Three truths. Three truths. Okay.

So this is, imagine it's your last day here many years from now. You've achieved everything you want to achieve. Okay. You've written however many songs you want to write. You've had so many number ones. You've performed everywhere. Everyone in the world has heard at least one of your songs before. Yeah.

And it's the last day. Yeah. And for whatever reason, all your stuff is erased all the stuff you put out there is gone and someone comes up to you and says well all we have is this piece of paper for you to write down the three things you know to be true about everything you've ever said or sung or experienced in your life what would be the three things you know to be true the lessons that you would pass on that we remember you by okay three truths would be we're only here to serve each other uh that your pain is actually your friend and uh and just like and love that's it you don't even need to like

there's no direction for that yeah exactly love exactly I want to take a moment to acknowledge you Andy I'm so grateful that you're here I'm so grateful that you're you were resilient resilient for that many years on the streets. And that even though it probably wasn't the most where you wanted to be, I know it was affecting people day in and day out, even if they didn't stop, but they were moved by your voice. for your incredible gift to move audiences, whether they're listening in person, whether they're listening on the radio or Spotify, wherever they're listening,

you're bringing so much joy and positivity to the world with your message, with your creativity, and with your positivity. So I want to acknowledge you for this gift. I appreciate you, sir. Thank you so, so much. We have one final question. Okay. But I want to talk about your latest single,

your big song right now. And what is it? Why is it so important to you? Yeah. So it's this really sweet love song that I wrote to my wife. I've been married to her for four years. And so that's not like in the scope. That's not that long.

But it's long enough to where when she does something that genuinely surprises me about her, that becomes one of the sweet moments. Yeah. You know, where she does something, maybe I don't know you. But we've been together for a really long time, but maybe I don't know you because that's amazing. So I wrote, you know, it's called Fresh Eyes. And so we went to go make the video. Having been on the street as a performer, there's so many homeless people out there all the time.

And so we decided to make a video where we went down to Skid Row, which I can actually see from where we are right now. And we gave makeovers to homeless people. That's really cool. And it was so, so powerful and sweet. people that's really cool and it was so so powerful and sweet this this group of this population that uh we all have our own interaction with on a daily basis we all see them and a lot of times i'm guilty of as well you just go i don't know where to put that in my brain that level of suffering i can't really comprehend and i and i don't like that i'm not doing anything about it

or that as a culture we haven't figured it out. So I'm just going to not think about it. In general, that never works in any form of your personal life or whatever. So I hope that I didn't annoy everyone and shove it in their face. But it was something very personal to me because I'd been around it a lot yeah and so we went down and we gave uh these women dresses and we had hairstylists come in and do their hair and make up and we didn't change the world but in that day i can tell you like there's about 40 people that were that were sincerely affected and there was a double mirror so you can see when they turn

around and see themselves the dignity that comes back into their into kind of into their being the feeling of like yeah you know what i do look pretty damn good uh and i am capable and i am you know and so that was uh such a powerful powerful day and what it's like such a sweet thing to add to this song um it's like a love song that is now it has a couple different meanings that's cool that's the chat i mean for me i was just in india a couple months ago when i see a lot of homeless people everywhere i travel to third world countries yeah it's just like sometimes it feels like what's the solution what's the solution so many homeless people i think on the street and third street promenade but like everywhere in the world yeah and and i, and I think that I definitely do not have an answer for it.

I do know that when you talk about something like climate change or these huge problems that just make you want to give up, just start small and do something. Yeah, that's it. And you start to slowly, like if there's a homeless person on the street, a lot of times if you speak with them, that's a lot of what they want. I noticed in my interactions throughout the day, the dignity was probably the most important thing. Right. Right.

So, sure, they're like, cool, this jacket's cool. But what it is, like, you're paying attention to me and I have a purpose and I'm here and I have a job. That's what they kept saying is, like, tomorrow I'm sad because you're going to leave and it's going to be back to like, there's not a lot for me to do. It wasn't like, and I'm not going to have things anymore. It was like,

I'm not like, I love that I'm the star of your video. I would tell these, their names, Loretta and then Paul. I'm like, you guys are going to be the star of a music video. Like millions,

millions of people are going to see this. So you need to like get ready, do this. And they were so psyched. And it was just so sweet to watch them. And that's not that hard. It doesn't have to be a huge music video. It can be just stopping and saying hi to somebody or seeing them differently.

That's what I got. That's what I took away from that experience. That's cool. Is what they, not they, I don't like to say they, but what someone, what a human, I can tell you what a human doesn't want is to be categorized as homeless. It's like my name's Paul, right?

I'm a human being. I'm a human being and you just say like you're homeless so go over there. And what I know is that they don't they don't want that yeah yeah um where can we hang out with you the most online where do you want people to follow you and connect with you and yeah i mean i'm uh i right now i'm probably probably mostly on uh facebook and instagram and i'm still coming on to snapchat i just got these super cool have you seen snapchat glasses i have seen them i haven't used them. I just got these super cool. Have you seen Snapchat glasses? I have seen them.

I haven't used them yet. I just got a pair, so you can look out for me there as well. So you'll be like snapping constantly. Just like, ah! And what are, are they all your name everywhere? Yeah, so it's just Andy Grammer,

G-R-A-M-M-E-R, and then Snapchat's Andy Grammer 1. I don't know who got there first. So annoying. Darn it. Okay, so follow you on Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram, at Andy Grammer.

At Andy Grammer, yeah. And your website as well, correct? Yeah, sure. Okay. So follow you on Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram, at Andy Grammer. At Andy Grammer, yeah. And your website as well, correct? Yeah, sure. Okay, cool. And that's just andygrammer.com, right? Andygrammer.com. Awesome. All right, the final question.

Final question. Is what is your definition of greatness? My definition of greatness is when you don't let – it has everything to do with potential, like realizing your potential and not letting fear dictate your ship. So greatness is like, is being willing to stand up for the voice in your, the quiet voice that we don't listen to enough

and going after that and then, you know, staying with it while fear is trying to throw you off your course the whole time. And if at the end of a life you have done that consistently, I mean, I just doubt you're not great. That's what I think. That's it. I love it, man.

Well, I appreciate everything you've created and the story you have so far and everything you're about to create moving forward. So thanks so much for coming on oh man appreciate you having me there you have it guys i hope you enjoyed this special interview with the incredible andy grammer again make sure to share it with your friends lewishouse.com slash 449 leave us a review over on itunes itunes.com slash greatness for your chance to be featured as a review of

the week on the show make sure to connect with Andy check out his new songs his album connect with him on social media and stay up to date on all the things that he is up to again big thank you to Andy for coming on and check out the full show notes again lewishouse.com slash 449

to see the full video interview, all the photos behind the scenes, and all that other good stuff that we talked about on today's episode. I love you guys very much. It means the world to me that you continue to show up with a full heart, learning, and taking action in your life to make a difference and following your dreams. It means the world to me. And I want to leave you with this. As always, you know what time it is. It's time to go out there and do something great. Bye.