The School of Greatness - 520 The Secret to Extreme Weight Loss and Happy Marriages with Chris and Heidi Powell

Episode Date: August 7, 2017

"Connection is everything in the world of transformation." - Chris Powell If you enjoyed this episode, check out show notes, video, and more at http://lewishowes.com/520

This is episode number 5 to 0 with New York Times best-selling authors Chris and Heidi Welcome to the school of greatness My name is Lewis Howes a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur and each week We bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin. The body achieves what the mind believes. Now I'm excited for this episode because we have a powerhouse entrepreneurial fitness brand couple in the

greatness studios and they are chris and heidi powell also widely known as the transformation specialists and hosts of abc's documentary style series extreme weight loss they've had over five seasons that had huge ratings and the pals continued to touch lives weekly as extreme We'll be right back. national syndicated TV shows like Good Morning America, The Dr. Oz Show, The View, and Live with Kelly and Michael. And today we go in deep and intimate, breaking down where they were literally like five to eight years ago. Chris was sleeping in his car and they were both struggling and they found each other and they started to boom and blossom as a relationship together and also in their careers with their brands, doing things that blew their minds and really transformed so many people over the world.

And in this interview, we talk about the tools that have kept their marriage healthy through all the different transition, the press, the awareness, their brands both blowing up and how they continue to keep it alive and together. How they've also both managed their egos with so much going on in both their lives. Whether you should follow the money or follow your dream. Ooh, this is a good one. And also how people get to obesity. And also how people get to obesity. You know, I kind of am so curious. How do people, once they get to 50, 70, 100 pounds overweight, how do they keep going without making a change?

The mentality, the habits, the routines. We break that down. Also, what integrity momentum is and why it works. And we cover so many other things. There's some very touching and vulnerable moments towards the end. So make sure to stick around because these are just two human beings that I just fell in love with instantly and hope to build a stronger relationship for many, many years to come and get to connect with them more in person because I just love their attitude, their energy, their mindset, and what they've built and what they're still building is amazing. But before we dive in, I want to give a shout out to

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Welcome back to the School of Greatness podcast. We have Chris and Heidi Powell. Welcome back to the School of Greatness podcast. We have Chris and Heidi Powell. Good to see you guys. High five for both of you. That was a weak high five. There we go. I'm so glad we got to connect. We were just talking about all the people we have in common,

all the friends we have in common. I'm sure there's probably a hundred more. Right. Small world. It's a very small world. And you guys are an unbelievable inspiration to so many people around the world from your show, Extreme Weight Loss,

which was a massive hit for what, five or six seasons, is that right? Five and a half seasons, I'd say. Five and a half seasons. But it's, I'm going to jump in here real quick. It's still a hit. It's still going on, right? Around the world.

Syndicated, it's still going on. It's so crazy. It got sold worldwide. It's in like 148 countries around the the world. Syndicated, it's still going on. It's so crazy. It got sold worldwide. It's in like 148 countries around the world now. So it's like mind-blowing that it's spread. Yes. That's amazing. And who came up with the idea?

Did one of you come up with it or was there a talent agent who came up with it and said, you guys should do this? So long story short, which means get comfortable. Long story. Long story long. Long story's never short. So I started doing my first massive transformation was actually back in 2003 and ended up helping. For yourself or someone else?

For somebody else actually. And I helped this one gentleman lose 400 pounds in two years. Wow. And through the process, he became my best friend and we ended up living together for a couple of years after that. He ended up posting his before and after pics on MySpace. I just dated myself here. Wow, 2003.

Yes, yes. Before Facebook. Yes, this is long before. We didn't even know what Facebook was. I think it was 2004 when Facebook came out, somewhere around there. So he ended up posting his pics on MySpace in about 2006, 2007, and it went viral. And sure enough, overnight we were getting contact by 2020 and Oprah and The View.

And so it was just like I'm a trainer in Phoenix, Arizona, and I helped this guy through this incredible journey. And sure enough, it just went like wildfire. So it was from then a friend of mine who was actually part of – she was part of a production company here in Los Angeles that ended up having a show that was starting to be a hit called the biggest loser. She was the casting producer for it. She's like, Oh my gosh, I saw what you did with your best friend, David. That's incredible. I was like, well, awesome. We're going to be doing some more transformations here in Phoenix. Do you guys want to shoot it? She goes, hold on. Let me talk to my boss. An hour later, I get an email from the boss and he's like hey can you come out to LA well so I talked to my girlfriend at the time and I was just like hey you

want to go to LA they want to talk to us and I was like okay well let's do this so we couldn't afford a flight so we got in the car we ended up driving out here sat in front of a white boy I acted like his assistant because they knew who Chris was but I'm like she was even though I was like the business mind, I'm like, I'll just act like I'm taking notes from you and I'll tell you if this is a good deal or a bad deal. She was my girlfriend, but we just pretended that she was my assistant. So we get out there and we sit in front of a whiteboard and we just mapped out the journey of transformation. Wow. Yeah. They're like, well, let's we need to map.

Like, how do you do what you do? Because we got the show that's a hit on NBC and people are loving this weight loss thing. And I said, well, I've to map. How do you do what you do? Because we got this show that's a hit on NBC, and people are loving this weight loss thing. And I said, well, I've been doing weight loss for years now. This is amazing, and it's fulfilling, and it's life-changing. And if we're going to map the journey, we need time. We don't want to do a competition. We really want to capture what it's like emotionally because there's so much more to it. And they're like, nah, they don't want to watch that.

And I was like, no, really. There's so much to that part because that's really much more to it. And they're like, nah, they don't want to watch that. And I was like, no, really? There's so much to that part because that's really what it's like. And then they're like, well, can you do it in three months? No, absolutely not. We need a year. The network will never go for that. So, well, I don't know what to tell you guys, but we need a year to do what we do.

Yeah. For extreme weight loss. For extreme weight loss, exactly. Unless you're doing liposuction, right? Yeah, to have something that has a big, impactful change, do. Yeah. And they said, well, for extreme weight loss. For extreme weight loss. Unless you're doing liposuction, right? Yeah. Exactly. That's something that has like a big impactful change. Yeah.

Yeah. And I remember actually in the meeting, they were like, gosh, I think the most the network will ever go for is six months

and that's pushing it. They won't budge past that. And we said, I don't know what to do guys, but if we're going to do this right and we're going to map this thing out. So we mapped out a year of transformation.

They're like, we'll see if we can sell it. We'll see what we can do. Sure. And we didn't hear anything for what? Three months, two months, three months.

Yeah. It was June that we went out and October is when we got a call. Wow. Random phone call. I'm in the kitchen. You're sitting at the desk. We had like a desk in the middle of our kitchen because like we cleared the whole thing out because we were just hustling at the time.

And, um, so get a phone call and it's the ceo of the production company he's like and he's he's really dramatic he's like amazing with timing and he's just like dude and it's like this long drawn out beat and i'm like hello hey what's going on he's like we sold your show like in a voice like that. And I was just like, oh, that's awesome. Congratulations. Because, you know, as we were creating the show, we were consultants on the development of a show, which we were just thrilled to do.

I mean, we were helping them build the show and they were going to put like a celebrity trainer on the show. And like as we built it out, like we built it out for that. And I mean, even though we would have loved to, of course, like secretly we're like, Oh gosh, I wish I could do this, but we built it for them. And, um, he's like, dude, we sold the show. I was like, awesome. Congratulations. Go team. He's like, no, no, no, dude, you don't get it. We sold the show. And I was like, Oh, I heard you. Congratulations. I was like, it'll look great on the resume. He's like, no, dude, we sold the show to ABC.

And I was like, oh, my gosh, a network. You sold the show. This is fantastic. And so then, again, long, drawn out pause. And I'm like, wait, who's the guy? So who's going to host it? And he's like, wait, pause, pause, pause. You are.

I was like. And I look at him, I'm like. So what does this mean? You're right. He goes, well, it means pack your bags. You're leaving in five weeks. And then it was just a five-year run from there. I mean, 365 days a year, five years in a row.

Wow. Did you have kids at the time? So I actually had two kids from a previous marriage. We were not yet married. We ended up getting married about, well, we were, our plan was to never get married. We were just going to be life partners. We were going to be life partners. Yeah.

Didn't work out. We ended up getting married. It sounded really cool at the time. You know, he really wanted a baby and the way that my other two kids had been raised, we had, I decided it was probably best that we get married. So we don't have too much explaining to do or whatever. So, yeah, we ended up getting pregnant, married and pregnant, like within the next year. So the first year of the show.

Wow. So, yeah, the traveling began in December. And you traveled with them? Were you on the show originally as well, casted? No, I was not cast originally. What happened? So we're both trainers. I was a trainer from the time I was 18 years old, just had a fit kind of lifestyle.

And he's the one who got me back into it when I met him a couple years prior. But when he started traveling for the show, we had only worked with one, maybe two of these super obese clients at a time. All of a sudden on the show, Chris has eight people that he's working with at a time for the first six months. Now, let me say this. Six months into season one, ABC was so excited about the results

that they ended up picking up a season two. So we started season two in the middle, added on eight more, was season two eight more people? So we had 16 at once. And then every year thereafter, our cast was no smaller than 16 people per year, 16 to 20. So right off the bat,

within the first week, Chris is like, he'd phone home and be like, I don't know what I'm doing. I don't know. I don't even know how to handle it. So I was right off the bat, just his kind of life coach. I would say, Kate, you can only control so much. One day at a time. No, it was 100%. And our approach at the time was a lot more diet and exercise related. And as we got into it and we had all of these people in one place at one time, we realized, as Chris would kind of phone home, and we realized the behaviors that they exhibited were so similar to that of a drug addict. Like they were just a drug addict. Like they

were just a food addict and it all stemmed from something that went so much deeper than that. They loved food. That's, I had a decade long eating disorder. And then I have family members that kind of delved into the, well, a couple that spent some time in rehabilitation clinics, which was such a blessing for me and for Chris, because he got to be there for a lot of it. And we learned things, not really seeing how much it connected, but as he would phone home with all these issues, I'm like, Chris, oh my gosh, okay, wait, what about, this is so similar to this. Let's go ahead and talk to him about that. So we would slowly incorporate the things that were drug rehabilitation related and our whole methodology kind of shifted and it made it easier. So Chris would, um, travel on the road and then he would, he would work with half of

the people. He, they'd end up sending half back to Arizona where I was because he couldn't handle all eight at a time. Yeah. So I ended up running a bootcamp. I got pregnant in the meantime, had a couple of kids, like no rest, like literally. So they were staying at home half the time when they're at your, like no rest, like literally. So they were staying at home half the time than they were at your guys' boot camp facility or whatever. Yeah, we actually would keep four to six at any given time throughout any season,

four to six. Any that were struggling. We'd send them to Arizona. They could spend time with Heidi and she could work with them there. Then I'd be on the road with the other four to six. Spinning plates, we call them. Or 10 to 12, yeah.

We call them spinning plates. They had to move then essentially for six months or something. If they were struggling, they would come there for a month, two months, sometimes three. And some of them it would just be – And then we'd send it back home. Yeah. Some of it would just be – Like a halfway house.

Yeah. And for some it was just maybe a week where they just spent time and they needed some kind of like – Yeah. You know. Like a reset. Reset. Yeah. Absolutely.

Wow. And I think one of the, it made such a difference. And Chris and I realized this right off the bat for people to come to our home. They did not trust Chris right off the bat. No one did. They all thought he was just a celebrity and you know, he's only there for camera time and for him to be able to say, Hey, go stay with my wife and my kids. And you know obviously, he vetted them first. They had background tests. So they stay in your home?

Yes. Off the bat, they stayed in my home. Now, I was kind of off the record. Right, right. Yeah, hold on. Well, but it's the fact of the matter. Now that it's after the fact, we can totally say that, yes. And it was more us inviting because we knew that they needed that.

We wanted to build that relationship and the trust. That was it. It built such a huge amount of trust between a lot of the girls that had a hard time trusting Chris right off the bat. Of course. Loved him after because I know his family. I know his kids. I was pregnant at the time. Half of them went to the hospital with me when I had my babies.

And they get to know us without cameras because the thing is we surprise them there's cameras there. Every time I'll show up, there's cameras. and then the moment the cameras go away that's when the magic happens and that's when we can build a relationship yeah because helping someone through a journey of transformation i mean we've got them for a full year and so we and trust is everything and at first when you know because we were new to production so we didn't know how the whole thing worked and so yeah and so we immediately, we didn't have that. And then we realized the more vulnerable we were, because, you know, you come in there and you're like, I'm the trainer.

You're the client. Yep. I'm going to be a pro. And there's no relatability. You're going to learn from me. No. Off the bat, they're like, you don't know what I'm going through. No.

You've never been overweight, you know? And then the more we opened up about ourselves and our own struggles and how we got to where we are now. And like, it turned more into, guys, we're all in this together. We're all going through this crazy journey of life, and we're all human. Let's work together, and let's get – you help me get where I want to go. I'm going to help you get where you want to go. And we can develop these amazing friendships in the process, and we did.

Crazy. It was awesome. How did you guys meet originally? You know, we actually met. MySpace? No. Opposite of. No, I've actually never downloaded the Tinder app.

Let's just get that. Neither have I, for the record. Happily married. Thank you. I think that came about after we were married anyway. It did. I don't know. But all the production guys had Tinder.

I remember that. We actually met, believe it or not. So right after I was divorced, had two kids, kind of had been through a pretty rough patch. I'm like, wait, do I filter this? Do I not? No. Let it go. Let it go.

It's Lewis. Come on. I'll just say this. Let him have it. I definitely went through a rough patch after my first marriage. What does that mean? Well, I was raised, gosh, I'm a long story short. Here we go again.

Break out the tissues. Here we go. I was raised in a very religious community and family. And I think in a way, and I speak for myself, no one else, because I'm sure everyone has a different experience. But I was definitely sheltered quite a bit. Didn't really know what the real world was. Got married really young. Married at 19. Well, I guess I met him when I was 19. I think we were married when I was like 20 or something, but it was just, didn't, I had never really fallen off. I had never been given the opportunity to fall on my face. I had a dad

that cared so much about me so much. So, Oh, like I spent my days grounded over nothing, but he wanted to keep me like, he just wanted me at home. So the world didn't get to me. And so life was a little bit of a shock, um, after marriage. And then, you know, when the marriage didn't work out, I was like, Oh oh my gosh i actually have this thing called freedom and agency and i can do what i want oh my goodness do what you want lewis and i would like to know exactly i mean i had never touched even alcohol up to that point in my life and so it was just this there was this period of time where i i kind of experienced people. Had fun.

And beverages. Of course. No judgment here. No. Hey. But hey, it was, I think it was only about three months long,

but it was a jam packed three months. I will say that. You were all in. Yeah. I was all in. And I, I think there's definitely, there was a little bit of a,

a huge guilt factor associated with it because I had two little kids at the time and it was like- This was after the divorce or after- This was after the divorce. Yeah. Got it. So when the kids would go to their dads, I would kind of- Have your fun time. Have a little bit of fun and then, yeah. And- How long were you, when did you get divorced? How old were you? 25 or 26. So it was about a four or five year marriage.

Yep. It was, good, good math. Yeah. Pretty good, right? 20 to 25. It was five years by the time the divorce was final. Sure. So anyway, I ended up, and I also found myself, I naturally am a people pleaser big time, which is a huge pro and it's a huge con at the same time. And I found myself in a lot of situations where I didn't want to make people feel poorly

about themselves. And so I would naturally just be in a situation where deep down I'm like, I don't know how to get out of this. I feel bad. This person's really nice. I don't want to make him feel bad about himself. And so I realized, hey, it was just time for me to make a change. I actually went and saw a therapist and the therapist was like, I can help you, but you would get a lot more help in a shorter period of time if you did this

self-improvement course first. I'm like, oh, okay. I'll do whatever at this point. I just, I want to be able to tell people, no, I want to be able to control my own life. And I didn't know how to do it because I, anytime I hurt, yeah. If I hurt your feelings, it were, it was a reflection of who I was. Okay. I'll do whatever you want. Yes. 100%. Um,

took this course. Yeah. Took the course. Um, went on a little lunch break one day and was, I had, you know, no makeup sweats,

like a hat on. Like I was not there for a man cause I was, you know, I had been sending the signal. Don't talk to me. Yes. That's it. And I, I picked up my, um, lunch out of the cooler cause I packed my own lunch, you know, I had been sending the signal. Don't talk to me. Yes, that signal. And I picked up my lunch out of the cooler because I packed my own lunch.

You know, I'm a fitness girl. And this guy from behind me was like, I want to know what you do to get those biceps. I didn't pick up on the signal. Another one of these guys. And I turned around. Show him your biceps and you'll see why. It was a legitimate. I was genuine legitimate I was genuine

like I was genuinely asking I was like no my girlfriend's got a jacked bicep yes right yeah exactly so no no I was I was flexing for the camera right there but yeah and I remember turning around and seeing Chris and I was like oh gosh like it's a gym rat like this is not gonna work out I don't even want to talk to this so I kind of I spent the next day and a half avoiding it a little or avoiding not it him but he was so he was really it was endearing because I remember you standing up in front of the mic at one point I didn't know why you were there you know what brought you there at that point and you were so nervous up there which you've never been nervous in front of a microphone. But then I was like, oh, is he nervous because

I'm here? Cause he, you know, he had brought me a couple of gifts every day. He'd show up with a gift. It was, but he was just so nice. So it was actually the final night. I ended up giving him a ride back to his car and we sat in my car for a while and talked and right off the bat, he's like, look, I don't want a relationship. I'm like, good, neither do I. I'm a single mom of two. But we just hit it off, best friends. We were friends. Chris had just moved out of his car.

He had struggled with a handful of things himself and landed back on his feet, kind of. He was getting back on his feet at the time. He was in Phoenix, right? Yeah. Yeah, I lived out of my car for like six months. I lost everything. No way.

Yeah. He was like, how'd you car for like six months. I lost everything. No way. Yeah. He was like, how'd you lose everything? This was just nine years ago. I was living out of my car. How'd you lose it all? Yeah. Were you a fitness trainer before this? I was.

I was. In fact, I had already had all the success from helping my friend David lose all the weight. I had been on Oprah and Today Show in 2020. Yes. Before you guys met? Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had no idea Oprah and Today Show in 2020. Yes. Before you guys met. Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I had no idea who you was. All that happened in 2006 and 2007 was when everything took off as far as me being the fitness guy, the transformation specialist. The guy. Yeah, the guy. And I was the go-to guy in Arizona, and I was helping all these people lose weight. And I had this grandiose dream. Open a gym?

No. You've heard that story before? No, my, mine was, I, I invented a nutrition system actually. And I, it was called stacks. I went, I got a provisional patent on it and I tooled the factory in China and I ran 12,000 of them and I borrowed a couple hundred thousand dollars to make this product and they shipped it over and it was junk. And it was, but the concept was brilliant. Yeah. But the concept of it was brilliant.

I mean, this is 2005 and like I'm passionate about helping people change their lives and nutrition was such a, it was such a complex thing for so many people to get but it was, the concept is,

it's still really like amazing. It's a cooler system. It has since been knocked off a couple times. I'll tell you that. Yeah, it's been knocked off twice. Just in case he knows any of the others. So rewind to 2005, and I'll let you guys do the math here

because you're going to know, and you'll recognize. You'll be like, dude, that sounds just like, uh-huh. I presented it to them too, by the way. So anyway, it's a cooler system, and it's got portion control containers that are color-coded. So there's like pink for protein, yellow for carbs, green for veggies, and it's got marked in dish on the side. Just fill it up based on your weight.

And they stack inside of it. It's called Stacks for your breakfast, lunch, snack, dinner. Like in a backpack. Exactly. And there's a timer that goes off every three hours when it's time for your next meal. Timer goes off, you pull it. So the concept was there, and I had had 12 000 of these things that i ran but i just got yeah but the thing is like when you run it i didn't know what i was doing i didn't

know quality i'm a trainer it wasn't work i mean the product wasn't quality that's exactly it messed it up it was like janky it was all janky and it just wasn't what i had ordered and and but and the factory went well sorry yeah you owe us 250 000,000 now. And I went, I don't have it. Now I have to turn around and try to sell a product that I can't sell because it's not sellable. Oh, man. I went belly up. I lost everything. We ended up over time salvaging those units.

We did. When I came – because Chris is a dreamer. Like they say, you got to have a dreamer and you got to have a doer. And we really are – we are so opposite in that way. Such a dreamer has taught me how to dream a little. have a dreamer and you gotta have a doer and we really are we are so opposite in that way such a dreamer has taught me how to dream a little

such a doer and we kind of rub off on each other but when I met him he was like I have all this stuff I don't know what to do with it so we

I'm in $250,000 we salvaged and yeah and I was literally driving around and sleeping on friends couches because I lost everything is that when you met Dean

you slept on his couch then as a matter of fact Dean Dean Graziosi, he knew me back then. And I remember sleeping on his couch a couple of times. Wow. Yeah, he took me up to Vegas with him. And it was nice just to be able to just escape from my reality because life was not good. I look back and what a blessing.

But oh my gosh, it was just a really, it was a big struggle then. And, and actually I ended up the, the guy, David was my best friend at the time. His family opened up their doors to me and they let me sleep on their couch for three months while I got back on my feet. The guy who helped transform. Yeah. Yeah. So there, his whole family opened up their, their doors to me and opened up their arms and said, just come live with us, your family. And so they helped me out and I lived there for three of the six months and slowly got back on my feet. And then a buddy of mine was like, hey, I went to this seminar, really helped

turn my perspective around, you got to check it out. Motion Intelligence Seminar? Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. So sure enough, I was like, I just put it off for a while, then I was like, I'll just go. And I went and I met her. Wow. Transform your life. It really did. Yeah.

In so many ways. But, you know, and at the time, like, we were both, it was great because we were like, I'm not interested in a relationship. In our very first conversation, I think the first words out of my mouth after talking about her biceps was, I'm broke. I'm completely broke. I have nothing, but I've got really big dreams. I'm going to help transform the world. And I loved it. His car, the window didn't roll up all the way. The door didn't shut. Within a month of me hanging out with him, I was helping him get it repossessed

because the creditors were after him. I loved how authentic and honest he was. Whereas I, I had only been around people that were trying to present themselves as something that they weren't. And I can see through it so quickly. So I loved, and he's like, come over to my house. You know, and I go over and he had like a blow up mattress and two chairs and that was like it in the whole house. Yeah. I got those chairs out of the dumpster in the back. I just thought, and he didn't care. Like he wore like the same tennis shoes every single day, but worked so hard and had like, I mean, his dreaming ability is just insane.

And I remember listening. He's like, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. And I'm like, wow. In my mind, part of me was like, I don't know if you're going to be able to do all that. But I would tell him no matter what, I would say, you can and you should. Because in my mind, I knew like the only way, everyone needs support. And if there's anyone in his life, if there's anyone in my life that tells me I can't do

something, it plants a seed that I can't. And so together, we would just, you know, I worked for Freeform for, I don't know, years and years until we got married and had kids. And even then, now it's all ours. But just worked because his ability to rally people is unlike anything you have ever seen before. When he speaks something, you're like, that's insane, but I am in. And yeah, it's the whole, if you can dream it, you can do it. I've always said this, like you, Chris, are the epitome of that

because it's insane to actually see someone manifest something, like say it and then make it happen. Right. Like and not give up until we get there. Like it is. You're willing to wait 10 years. Oh, yeah. Who's in the room? Is it not the most insane thing? It's just go and go and up until we get there. Like, it is- You're willing to wait 10 years. Oh, yeah. Who's in the room?

Is it not the most insane thing? It's just go and go and go and go and go. And like, he is so single-eyed, single-minded. But I needed somebody to believe in my dreams because I started to lose faith in my ability during my struggles. That's why I lost, I stopped dreaming during that time

because life slapped me down. So for the first time, it was after I met her, someone believed in my dreams again. And because she believed, then I believed. And it just fueled it. And no joke, it was within nine months of us coming together. I'm a host of a television show on ABC.

Wow, crazy. And boom, boom, boom, boom. And now we're writing books. And now we're growing a family. And all these things that were manifesting're manifesting and we would dream it together now and it wasn't just me dreaming it was like now we could dream together and we could we could believe in each other and which we need because sometimes you don't believe in yourself that's just the fact of the matter sometimes you lose that yeah and it it's and you can probably attest for this. Like I know how hard Chris and I work,

but I also think it's not just about hard work. Cause I know, I'm sure there are people on this earth that work equally as hard as us that are, you know, maybe in a factory somewhere, right? Yeah. Yeah. And like, I could cry even like hearing you say that because it's true and they have the best intentions for their life and their family, but this is where they're at. And so it's hard for me not to feel like this is divine. Like there is a, we all have a purpose in this world because for so many things to line up the way that they have, It's just like crazy where much is given, much is expected though.

And to me, I'm like, Hey, that is, we have a huge responsibility to uphold, you know, and lives to change and people to help. And it's,

it's definitely not a selfish thing. And in my mind, I feel like the second anything becomes selfish, like that's grounds for all of this being taken away. And I'm sure you can relate. Don't you just feel so look what you've built that gratitude board you have in away. I'm sure you can relate. Don't you just feel so... Look what you've built. That's why that gratitude board you have in there.

I'm like, that is everything. The thing is what you're doing is so much greater than just you. You're sharing this inspiration, motivation with the world. Look what you've been able to build in four years. It's been fun. But your intention and the drive behind it. It's all about intention. I think people can achieve these big dreams and make a lot of money, but there's always going to be something missing inside. Yeah. It's been fun. But your intention and the drive behind it. It's all about intention.

I think people can achieve these big dreams and make a lot of money, but there's always going to be something missing inside if the intention isn't to serve a bigger purpose than themselves. Yeah, absolutely. Or at some point it's going to fall off and, you know, there's going to be depression and other things. That's why it's like I've always, even with any little success that I have, I'm always surrounding myself with a good team that's just like, all right, how can we continue to impact and inspire and transform in our own way?

Yeah. As opposed to how much more money can we stack up on our bank account? That's exactly it. Yep. And a lot of it's me. It's like, I try to feel like I don't even have money. I just want to be able to invest it all back into the creation of what we're doing. Yeah.

Into transforming more people or reaching more people. It's like, how can we make sure we're not going to go broke, but also like invest in as much back into people in the world. Yes. And I think that's the way to do it. And you're doing it. And you're following your passion and you're following this vision and this dream and the money, the finances just let them follow because they're going to.

Yeah, exactly. But your focus stays exactly where it should be. And as long as that happens, you are bound for greatness, my friend. Yeah. The school of greatness. I love what you're saying. I'm sitting here. I'm like, well, the good news is Chris and I don't have a ton of money.

So with as much as we've accomplished, I look at our accounts and I'm like, you know, it's clear. Isn't it weird sometimes? Right? Yes. Even when you've made a lot of money that's come through the business, you're like, it's all gone somehow. The taxes, the team, the development of products.

There's really not that much left over. But then at the same time, I tell Chris all the time, I'm like, you know, with or without money, we have everything. I feel like I am the richest human being in the entire world with all the people we have surrounding us our kids our health and just the opportunities to be able to

accomplish some of the things that we've been able to accomplish it's amazing with the impact oh my gosh yes I can legitimately say that I am fulfilled in life I feel yes. I can legitimately say that I am fulfilled in life. I feel great. And I can excitedly say that we're just getting started also.

It's going to get that much better. And it's so much greater than us. That's the best part about it. What's been the biggest challenge for you guys as a partnership, coming together, relationship? Oklahoma. Oklahoma, that's our safe word, right? My safe word is keep going.

I'm going to say that in some movie. Yeah. Keep going. What were you saying? Were we talking about your book? Your nails are digging into my leg right now. Exactly. You guys were both kind of like, you know, going through a transition and figuring out your lives when you met it seems like you're both in self-discovery struggling right and then and then and then within years quickly you had this kind of recognition fame success whatever people knew who you were you had your show you started to make some money some opportunities came in what was the biggest challenge as i guess you started to grow you know well known and sure i didn't you weren't as well known and you know and there's opportunities there's women throwing

themselves at you there's shiny objects there's all these other things happening you're getting all these women and men throwing yeah exactly the fitness world specifically weren't quite sure he was married or not yet so he's fair game So he's fair game. So I guess as a relationship, how did you guys continue to stay strong or were you not strong for a time? No, no, we struggled.

I mean, I think just like, I think as so many people would. Maybe I should answer this and you don't feel like you're sharing me under the bus. No, no, no, not at all. I had two kids. So it's like,

should we get married or do I want to be with someone who's got kids already? You know, when you don't have. No, no, no. Not at all. I had two kids. So it's like, should we get married? Do I want to be with someone who's got kids already? When you don't have kids yet, right? That was actually a really big struggle right off the bat. Even meeting her, as soon as she told me she had two kids, I was like, oh, friend zone. Okay, here we go. We're cool.

Or hook up buddy zone. Actually, we weren't even hooking up. I was so like, oh, I'm done with men. We were legitimately friends. She's like, hook up buddies. Yeah. Actually, we weren't even hooking up. I was so like, I'm done with that. We were legitimately friends. Yeah. For probably about four months or so. Until actually I,

believe it or not, it was something I was terrified of. I was terrified of kids. And I was like, Oh, when I have my own, it'll be good. But then we were,

we, our relationship grew and grew. And then I actually saw her with her daughter for the first time, like being a mom. Probably four or five months into our friendship. And she brought her daughter Marley over. You fell in love even more. Oh, my gosh. Dude, I saw that and I was like, that is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life.

Wow. And that's what I was so scared of. Oh, my gosh. That's what I want in my life. And that was it. Then I just had to convince her that I'm not just some – Stay the night with me. Yeah, exactly.

I'm not just some bachelor who just has to hook up. This is legitimately the most incredible thing I've ever seen. It was just her being a mom and the love that they had for each other. So that was done and over. I was like, okay, I'm in. I'm all in there. And what was the big challenge then? I do.

And this is such a good question because actually no one has ever asked us this. Ever. We've spoken about it. You guys seem like you have it all figured out. You guys are like so loving. And we don't. Together. Connected.

And when we take a moment and we talk about what we're grateful for, which happens often, that is what bonds us and brings us together. But we have just as many, if not more in some ways, struggles as other couples because of what we deal with. And yeah, like what you're talking about, that's, it is, it's a challenge you don't expect and you don't even know is there. We know now. So bear with me if I, um, don't make a lot of sense here, but I'll let you start this and then all I'll talk about. Um, so yes, it was actually, that was an totally unexpected and actual very difficult time for me for a couple of reasons. So when the show was, we were shooting that first year.

Now, when, when we were shooting the first year, life was the same, like status quo. It wasn't on the show. It wasn't on area. It wasn't on area. Yeah. Like, and, and to me, Chris and I were always equal. Like he, you know, was the dreamer and he was kind of. You were executing.

And I was executing and he appreciated. You were keeping him together. Yes. And if I feel appreciated, I am golden. Like I don't need money. I don't, I just need appreciation. And to be told I am, you know, enough. Yes.

That's what I need. And at the time, so in the middle of the year, my dad passed away. And then about the time, which was just really hard for me. And then about the time the show aired, really hard for me. And then about the time the show aired, actually a couple of days after the very first show aired, I had cash, our first child. So I was pregnant and totally hormonal anyway. Um, so I will say at that time and after a lot of things compound, I, I really struggled to see my value and I was helping behind the scenes on the show. And I was giving, I mean, from the time the show started until ever,

I was giving 20 hours a day. And we had people staying in my home with me. I felt like in a lot of ways, you know, Chris would travel and be like, I'm just waiting to surprise James here. I have all day to do nothing. And you're like, I've got three kids. I had three kids, a newborn baby.

My dad had just passed away. I have six people in town from the show. Like I was three kids, a newborn baby. My dad had just passed away. I have six people in town from the show. Like I was literally going, like I would have breakdowns. Why am I doing this? Oh, I would. I'd be like, yeah. And luckily I had someone I was working. I had helping me out in Arizona, but I'd be like, I can't handle this anymore.

This is crazy. They want me. They need me. They're mad at me. I mean, it was just, everything was compound at once. And then add to it. Yeah. When, when the recognition with Chris started and we would – everywhere we would go.

Everywhere. He's getting praise. And you know – And I felt horrible. Like people would say, oh, my gosh. And I'd be like, oh, geez. And I'd be like, this is my wife. She's amazing.

She does everything with me. I think, too, I really had a hard time with um with his and this isn't the reality but my story at the time was his focus is more you know the show and i have i have a we have a effing family like i have three kids and i am babysitting all of your other kids while you are filming like that was the story i had in my head and i'm doing all this behind the scenes and you're just, you know. And so there were definite, you know,

he'd be like, going to Tennessee, you know, going to Nashville, watching all these bands tonight. And I was just like. I stopped, hold on. He did stop going out. I call up and I'd be like, yeah, I'm just hanging out in the hotel tonight.

Nothing going on. And then there were a few times where I would hear stories from production guys, which he wasn't, he wasn't lying. Oh, he did this crazy thing. Yes. And then there were a few times where I would hear stories from production guys, which he wasn't. Oh, he did this crazy. Yes. And I'm like, oh. They were like, you know, Chris, when he was drinking the other night.

Oh, the girls were everywhere. And I'm like, what? No, hold on. Hold on. That happened like twice. One time. Oh. No, Texas and Nashville.

I'll tell you exactly. Fort Worth and Nashville is the two times I drank with the crew. And it was literally a drink because I do not do alcohol. I will say this. Part of the problem was I was perpetually pregnant on the show and or nursing. So I was like,

I mean the whole time, all five years. But after the first, and it was probably, I have to say, the only reason I ever ended up on camera in season two for the first season and then three and then four and five we were co-hosts um only reason is because Chris was so he knew I was

struggling with my worthiness and just he knew how much I was giving and he wanted me to feel that absolutely accomplishment and that acknowledgement so he any chance he would get, and it would make me cry. I would sit there watching interviews and I will cry now. But no, really, he was the sweetest and he would be sitting in a boardroom with all of these media people for the show. It was ABC had set up this huge press conference and they would would ask a question and say you've done this this and this for your people and he would say guys like the magic is my wife like he would literally and i'd be like gosh but i really think like him doing that so much made people like, Hey, who's this wife? Like who's this secret weapon? Then they're like, put her on camera. And I'm like, what am I doing? I don't know how to be

on camera. I don't know what I'm doing. You know? And I was just, just follow me. Let's just do this. Let's go. Let's have some fun. And it was so uncomfortable for me. I just wanted his acknowledgement, his love. But our executive producer, the showrunner, he loved the reality of what was happening. He loved that the people were a part of our family. He loved that Chris and I did this together. And over time, he was like, gosh, we've got to make this. The world needs to see what's really happening. And that was the reality of it.

It wasn't me. It was us. And we were doing it. and it's that was the reality of it it wasn't me it was us and we were doing it and so it was it was a natural pull to bring her in and so that they can really capture how this whole thing works yeah and then i'm an ugly crier no and it was and it was it was so awesome then you know before you know what season three they introduced heidi and then her and then all of a sudden people like we go places and people start freaking out because it's Heidi Powell. Which I'll cry about now because I don't feel like I deserve it.

But even at that, I mean like something that we definitely struggle with also is like then all of a sudden like her brand starts to grow. Mine's up here. And all of a sudden it's like, oh, now all these people are freaking out when they see her. And you're not getting the attention. And I'm like, well, what about me? What about me? Exactly. So how do you guys manage your egos in the whole situation as well?

You know, and just being totally transparent, it still is a challenge sometimes. When all of a sudden things started to grow big with her, it actually brought about something I've struggled with for a long time that I didn't even know was there. And I'll never forget when it actually came up. We were sitting in a Starbucks parking lot. And all of a sudden, Heidi is like, everybody wants Heidi. And she's getting speaking engagements. All these things were happening. Everybody wants Heidi and she's getting speaking engagements.

All these things are happening. And I ended up breaking down in this parking lot because as her brand started to grow, I've always had this innate fear that I'm just scared of losing her. And so I've always been terrified that she's going to leave me. And if I don't have that value, then, you know, because when I'm here, she wants to be with me. Desirable. Yeah. And it's so crazy because she met me when I had nothing. And all of a sudden things took off. And I kept thinking, she loves me.

And we've got all these things going on because I'm here. And now she's coming up. And so then she's not going to need me anymore. And so that just brought, like, need me anymore and so i and so that that just brought like for for me that was a huge struggle and again it all stems you know deep inside there's there's an eight-year-old kid who feels like he doesn't have any value and so he feels like it's all these things that he's created and that's why people love him you know and it's oh in fact as long as i keep creating then people are going to love me for it you know and and so it brought it i got stripped down

of everything and it was just me and her in the car and i just broke down i said i am i am so terrified that you're going to leave me that when if i don't have this anymore or if now now that you're you're above me you're there you're not gonna need which i'm not no but but story that had to come out and and so now and and that was just a couple years ago and it's great because now it's there and it's so crazy because like i'm aware of it but there's still those feelings that i'm still working through and it's like i in finding that just the value in and of myself and not in what I create and not in or how basically in the brand or anything. So how do you guys build a great marriage and business partnership working together with your business together, your brands, and also being married? How do you keep it strong?

Do you have rituals or habits that you guys do together every morning, every night, during the day? What makes it continue to be strong when those fears come up? I will say this. I think the foundation of it is actually our wedding ring. Excuse me. It's my best friend. It's blurred together because it's been so long. But it's my best friend in my handwriting on his finger and his handwriting on mine. It is as long as we remember and we will have times, like, I mean, maybe once a week where we're like, okay, would you treat your best friend like this? And the other one is quickly like, no. Okay. Wow. No. Okay. And it's the ability to be vulnerable, which is really hard to do and authentic, you know, in moments where, you know, either of us are heated. If we can stop ourselves and way i'm like he knows in his mind right now that

he shouldn't be saying this maybe he just needs to i just need to walk away for a little bit but we're not perfect we we definitely have big fights um but i will say excuse me guys your ability to um recognize what you're doing wrong after the fact is incredible. I don't even have that. It's quick to recognize. It's sometimes not quick. But I need to walk away and I got to cool off. Sooner. But usually you'll get an apology

within about a half an hour. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. Once you breathe, you're like, that's it. Yeah. Who am I being?

My ego? Am I coming from love? Yeah. Yes. And mostly it's coming from me and I'm just being, it's most of the time coming from ego.

Yeah. Coming from some sort of fear sort of fear or some sort of hurt. And then I just need to step away, identify where it's coming from, feel what I'm feeling, and then I'll come back and apologize. And that's really helped out a lot because if I dug my heels in on that and didn't apologize, and I wouldn't blame you. It would be a disaster. But it works really well and likewise and a lot of times like she'll know sometimes when I'm coming from a place and she can see the matrix man she's the ultimate life coach

she's like you're coming from a place of fear right now it's all ego you're just trying to look but I try not to say it anymore I want to be right yeah and then of course at the time I'm all no I'm not usually with a few other words deep down inside I'm like damn she totally just called me out. She's very understanding.

And then when I apologize, she's always gracious. Thank you. And likewise, it takes a little more time for her to apologize to me too because she's a little more loud. Yeah, that's exactly it. Because I'm never wrong. I'm patient. Yeah, I'm patient.

I can wait for it. That's good. But balance is definitely something we still struggle with. I mean, especially like now, there's so much going on in our lives and on the most wonderful levels,

you know, as far as business goes and our family and like everything's awesome. But we have not taken enough time for each other we simply haven't but but you say that but then i also i have times where you know that's my story to myself always is we don't have enough you know there's not enough time for family or me whatever but then at the same time i sit there and i'm like but would i have it any other way no because guess

what like we might not go to a movie once a week and we might not take vacations for the purpose of vacationing, you know, once a month or whatever, once a year. But we get to build something freaking incredible together. Like how many other couples get to and can do that? Because some spouses can't even like be in the same room for an hour together. Right. Five minutes, you know? We are literally together 24 7 and yeah we make it happen i think balance is really a challenging thing if you want to achieve something at the highest level i don't think you

can have that no we agree i don't think you can i think i think there's um you know if there's all these different categories of your life there's your health and wellness there's, you know, if there's all these different categories of your life, there's your health and wellness, there's your career, there's your relationships, there's your kids, there's whatever fun, play, adventure, vacations. Yeah. If one thing wants to be great,

you need to spend most of your time on that one thing. Right. And the rest of the stuff, you just have to be intentional with the time you spend on it. Amen. And sometimes maybe you add a little more time to some other box of your life,

but really, the greatest athletes in the world don't say, I'm just going to practice an hour today and I'll be the best. They practice the entire day and obsess over everything they do to give themselves a chance of maybe going to the top. I mean, you experience this. It's like the difference between a good NFL player and the best at that position is an obsession of, of it in their life.

Yes. And there's not this healthy relationships. Right. I'm going to be obsessed or I can be, or I can be really good. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so I think,

I think totally agree. Yep. And it's like, you actually just made me feel a lot better. I'm like, I just think it's a pro what's your priority. Do we want to have an equal balance on everything in my, my life?

Or do I want to be great at something for five to ten years and then maybe i've can uh maintain the momentum and then put other time and energy on something else yep i don't think you need a lot of time on certain things like even when you say you want more time together you need more time it's like do we need it if you stared at each other's eyes for 30 minutes a day and focused on like each other for 30 minutes you you'd probably be like, that's all I need. You know what I mean? We'll just have more intimate, vulnerable moments. Yeah, maybe like 60 seconds.

If you spent a few moments where you just really connected as opposed to like, oh, we're just going to sit around and be on our phones more times. Yeah, exactly. Then you wouldn't need hours every day. So true. And the fact of the matter is we did. Exactly. Then you wouldn't need like hours every day. So true. And the fact of the matter is we did. Hey, you know what? Were you in the room or was it in a private room? All we needed was two and a half minutes.

That's it. Right there. Balance. We just found balance. We're good. Now let's work. Yeah, exactly. Oh my gosh.

No, you're spot on though. You really are. Yeah. exactly. Now you're spot on though. You really are. And that's just the thing. We have pushed so much of our time and energy into building something because we have an opportunity to create something amazing right now. When it comes to transformation and really making a dent in this world. And together we are running full force toward that. Let me ask you another question. Unless you have something to say about this.

No, I was going to say the only thing that does require balance is parenting because we do have more kids. Oh, yeah. Definitely need time. My kids are my world. They really, truly, I would give up every single thing that I have and I tell them this every day. I would give up every opportunity

for those kids because they are that amazing. And it's awesome to see how forgiving they are of us and how wonderful they are. Like, luckily, we get to work from home when we're in Arizona. Which really helps, yeah. We know the difference. And they get to climb on our laps as we're working. They get to meet all the people we work with.

I mean, they love life. That's great. It's like a family. Yeah. You know, so, yeah, it's funny because I say we're running toward business, but we're kind of taking all the people we work with. I mean, they love life. That's great. It's like a family. Yeah. It's funny because I say we're running toward business, but we're kind of taking all these other buckets with us. Yeah, that's great. So we're all kind of in it together.

Jump on my back. That's our definition of balance. That's exactly it. Now, how did you guys both, because the show ended, what, 2015? Is that right? Correct. Yes. It's syndicated, so it's still out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Stopped filming. But going from being like the people on ABC, right? And it's like every week you guys are out there and people are talking about your press and Oprah and Dr. Oz. It's crazy, too. Not having a show for two years that's a new show coming out every week. Right. How do you guys transition with like this um feeling relevant or

feeling like worthy enough or are we going downhill now since we don't have a show that's happening yeah yeah i think we we might both have slightly different answers to this um because i i i think to an extent it hasn't hit yet to be honest because we are in 148 still syndicated everywhere it's happening it's crazy yeah it's so cool at the same time totally yeah we've been building these things and i think um in in my world they're you know there's a lot of fit moms that need advice right now and so i we haven't and but i am preparing for it because i know at some point the way you know the way it crashes yeah yeah absolutely and you guys were never really big But I am preparing for it because I know at some point the wave crashes. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

And you guys were never really big on social media before, were you? No, it kind of grew organically and I still struggle with it. As far as my posts, I'm just not as consistent as I should be. She's paying it for you. That just happened in the car on the way here. I'm literally driving and I was like, hey, could you post for me real quick? But the thing is, but I will. I'll get there.

In my world of balance and all the buckets, I'm taking care of one thing first, then I'll jump over into social. She's really good on social. So when the whole show, when we got the phone call, they said, you know what? We're not going to be renewing your contract. Thank you so much. It was a great run, blah, blah, blah. I cried at first just because that was all I had known for the last five and a half, six years.

Yeah. It's part of your identity. That's exactly – oh, boy. You just – Free weight loss guy. Yeah. Especially even as a life coach. I knew right away.

I was like, I totally totally having identity crisis right now. And I did. And it's funny because like when you spend so much time life coaching other people, you experience it. And you're going through it yourself. And you're like, oh, my gosh, I wrote a chapter on this and I'm feeling it right now. But after 24 hours, it was like literally like, oh oh my gosh, I can build it now. We can do this. You have time.

Yes. One of the biggest struggles that we had for five, five and a half years was when we had this show that starts off with Mary wrote a letter to Chris and Heidi, and Chris and Heidi surprised her. Could you imagine the letters that we get? Because that's how the show starts. Thousands of letters you get probably, right how the show starts and so tens of thousands yeah we got

probably a total of about 650,000 so emails from people asking for help do you know how heartbreaking

that is did you save them in your email list we saved them we haven't got anything with them so they're all cold now that's it

now you have a program you can create for them all we had to build something for them because the thing is and and then they go, great. Now you get to select 15 people a year to help. And we were like, great. There's 700,000 people that are asking for help. How the heck are we supposed to do this?

So for five years, that tormented us because look at all the people that need, that genuinely need the help. They're ready. They went so far as to write handwritten letters or five page emails of images of them. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Heartbreaking. Even harder is when we ran into people in person. Yeah. And it was just

like just heartbreaking. So the whole time we're like, as soon as we can, we're going to build the machine. We're going to show these people we can take them through transformation. We just we just need the time to do it. So as soon as I'd be – 24 hours felt bad for myself. We hugged and cried a lot.

And then it was like, oh, my gosh. Let's do this. Spent two years and pretty much all the money we had saved basically. And we built this huge digital platform to take people through the journey of transformation. At home. Yes, exactly. And then we started reaching out to these other amazing partnerships like with food. And so now we got pre-portioned food so we can feed people.

Now bring in the supplements. And so we're creating like a whole ecosystem of transformation. I mean, it is the best, like the next best thing to literally having us like right there with you. And so like now we can build it. We're still like putting the finishing touches on the rest of the system. But it's like we're right there with you. And so like now we can build it. We're still like putting the finishing touches on the rest of the system, but it's like we're right there. Wow.

And it's just so exciting. That's great. Yeah. So you guys really used the opportunity where the show was going on and you took it into action. Yeah. And we're just getting started.

I'm curious. I mean, what is it? One in three people in America are overweight? Is that the- Two out of three. Yeah. Two out of three. Yeah.

So 74%. I mean when I see this sometimes – and I get it because I was – I've never been like super overweight but I was like 255, 260 where I was just like after football, I just like kept eating whatever and I moved to New York City and every street corner, I was like, I want that. I want those pieces. I want this. I was just like – and I just kept eating.

I was just like, I'll be fine. But no, I wasn't. I just those pieces. I want this. I was just like – and I just kept eating. I was just like, I'll be fine. But no, I wasn't. I just kept gaining. And they started calling me Fluis for Fat Louis because I was just like so chubby. It wasn't that bad, but it was just like – Yeah, still. My friends were like, get a little fat there. Yeah.

But I could kind of hide it because I'm tall or whatever. Yeah. But I just started realizing like, wow, I'm just not happy with myself. I'm not taking care of myself. I'm not eating right. started realizing like wow I'm just not happy with myself like I'm not taking care of myself I'm not eating right so I really started to just learn more about and educating myself about food and fitness because I was just training and eating whatever I wanted in my teens and 20s I could do it yeah and you're praised to eat when you're playing football yeah I mean we used to we used

to after practice we would get two uh chipotle burritosritos with double meat. Two of them. You know what I mean? And then it's like after every meal, I had to have some type of milkshake or candy bar. I would just eat candy bars for meals. And it worked for you. It was great.

And no one ever really taught you how to do it otherwise. No, I didn't know. I just was super uneducated. I just didn't know. And then I went to New York, and I started learning about juicing and green juice, and I was like, I'll never drink this stuff. But then I started drinking it. I started to feel better.

And I was just like, let me learn more. Let me learn more. And there's so much I'm still learning. Of course. Which is challenging because there's so much research that contradicts itself in every area of the nutrition world, right? Yes. You know, there really is. So many different documentaries.

Yes. And you don't know who's backing which documentary. Yes. What the hell I saw the other day and I was like, I don't know. That backing which documentary. We were preparing for what? What the hell? That's all the other day. And I was like, I don't know. That's all this stuff. But my question,

what was going to be my question on this topic? Well, we started with one out of three people. You were talking about how you're educating yourself. You went to New York. You're educating yourself. So when people start to gain the weight and then it just keeps piling on, how does this happen, first off?

Because I started to recognize, wow, I don't want to be this way anymore. Let me make a change. But two out of three people, it sounds like, don't make the change or they continue. Once you're 100 pounds overweight, how do you get to be 200 pounds overweight right what is the the mindset that these individuals you've worked with for so long that get them to a place of like no return right how do people get there and what's the quickest way they can switch it in their minds i really feel like it's a switch it's a decision for me to be like three weeks ago i said i'm not having any more sweets right like i'm just done yeah just done. Yeah. Like, no candy bars. It's like, I can't just, like, in moderation. Yeah.

Right. I can't once a week for me. Yeah. Right. And try to get lean and shredded. Like, it's just not going to work. Because I'm like, well, if I had one, let me just have all day of everything. The damn breaks. Yeah.

Or pizzas and five milkshakes. Totally. Yeah. So, how do people first go there to themselves? Where they're just like, it's like, either they don't care or they're just like, they don't know how or what is that? And then how do they make a decision to actually switch it? Great question. To transform. Yes. Great questions. Now, and just in our experience, it seems like everybody's path is a little bit different. Now, there's a common denominator, especially among the folks that we've worked with that a lot of your viewers have probably seen on the show.

Many of them, they are dealing with a true food addiction. And so the food is – they have an unhealthy relationship with food and they're using it to numb some other emotions that they do not want to deal with in life. And so a lot of times that has happened from traumatic experiences in the past. And those traumatic – there's a laundry list. Of course. Death, molestation, abandonment, whatever that might be. Failure, you know, et cetera. But then there's other people who have actually just come up,

like yourself, you came up through sports. And so the thing is you were praised based on those behaviors. So you learned those behaviors. It wasn't a coping mechanism emotionally, but instead those were behaviors. It was a habit. There's positive reinforcement behind it. And so that was the one thing. the one thing so you're like okay well this has worked for me to this point and you just haven't learned any other way around it so there's there's two different

individuals here that that we're dealing with you know just based on um based on where they came up you know how they came up through life how why do they continue to put on the weight? Once you're 100 pounds overweight, are you aware yet that you're overweight? Some people are and some people are not. I will say there are a handful of people that come to us and they're like, I didn't even realize. I knew I was 300 pounds, but I didn't even realize what that looked like or what that was until either a doctor said something or they saw a picture of themselves or whatever it was. They saw a reflection in a mirror. Yeah. It's body dysmorphia in the other way. They don't even understand. It doesn't even resonate that that's unhealthy or that's something that they never thought they were going to be

until they view themselves from a different perspective. And then as far as why they don't make a change, and then some of them actually continue, you hit the nail on the head. People don't know how. They don't know how. It's a lack of education. And I think so often people, I'm like seeing this triangle here, they actually view it as this huge mountain, like this Mount Everest. Like I have to do, especially once you hit the point of no return, they think like when they're at 300 pounds or whatever that number is, it's different for everyone. They think in order for me to get to where I need to be, I'm going to have to cut everything out of my diet. I'm going to have to work out for hours a day. Exactly. And what happens

is they try and they try and they fail. They continue to fail. And before they know it, they don't believe in themselves anymore at all. Like, screw it. I'm never going to get it. Yes. And so they try and convince themselves and everyone around them that they are happy with who they are and where they're at because they don't believe that they have what it takes to lose the weight. They might see people on TV that do it, but in their minds, they're like, well, it's because

they have a trainer doing this. They have this. I'm different. My body is different. Well, the fact of the matter is no one's body is different, but the approach is different for the people that are actually successful. The ones that are successful start so incredibly small. Like think about it. When you make a change in your life, a big change, when you, I mean, okay, where you're sitting right now, right? It didn't happen because one day you're like, I'm going to build this humongous thing and I'm doing everything today.

One interview at a time. One little baby step at a time. And like, oh, how can I make it a little bit better each time? How can I learn? Exactly. And that's how transformation happens. It's not about committing to 20 things at one time. It's about making one what we call a power promise,

one power promise to yourself at a time. For a lot of people, we tell them, start with just drinking an extra quart of water every single day. And they're like, really? Like that's the magic Chris and Heidi Pell are going to give to me? We're like, yes. Because once you do that and you fulfill that commitment every freaking day, like you don't, you never miss a day. It has to be so stupidly simple that you will never miss a day. Guess what? By the end of simple that you will never miss a day. Guess what? By the end of that week. Start to believe in yourself.

Yes. I just got chills. Integrity and momentum. That's exactly what it is. Because we take people who have lost hope in themselves. Because they're looking and they say, I've tried and failed so many times. There's no way I'm ever going to get there. And that's exactly how we grow it is just one simple promise at a time.

And by doing that, you keep yourself winning. And if you can keep yourself winning, you start to believe in yourself again. And there's nothing more powerful than belief. The human mind, a human that believes in themselves and something that they can do and accomplish, there is absolutely nothing that can stop them. And they will always put forth the effort required to get them where they want to go and beyond. And they will always put forth the effort required to get them where they want to go and beyond. And that's – for us, that is the juice that makes it all worth the squeeze when all of a sudden we're working with someone and they reach a point.

Sometimes it's two months in. Sometimes it's six months in. And they go, what else can I do? Then it's our job as coaches. Let's just get out of your way and just let you go. Yeah, yeah. Because now you know. You just take those tiny little steps and look where you can go. Yeah. But you got to make the commitment to yourself mentally first, don't you?

Yes. I'm going to commit to this every single day. That's it. But that's why we shrink that commitment down to something. Do it for a week or something. Yes. And it's to a point where the commitment that we have to make, power promise is what we call it. It has to be so small, it's almost to a point where when they go, as soon as they chuckle,

like that's ridiculous, that's so easy, we go, boom, that's it. That's our power promise. Okay, cool, we're going to do this for the next week. And they go,

are you kidding me? Of course I can do that for the next week. You can do something else too. Yes, but we're not going to take on the second one yet. Let's just do this for the next week.

They do it for next week, okay, let's pile the next one on. Let's pile the next one on. And it's one step at a time. We never try to make a quantum leap because if you do, you're going to fall twice as far down. You're going to fail. So we just keep building it. And before you know it, as you build it, you build their integrity.

You build their dignity. And before you know it, like we love it because at the end of the year, these people walk out there and they're on stage and their chin is high and their chest is out. The fact that they lost 200 pounds is an afterthought because if you ask all of them, they're like, they'll just tell you the secret is that I'm a promise keeper to myself. I believe in myself and I love myself. That's what you see. And everyone's like, oh, you lost 200 pounds. Like, yeah, that's nice.

I did that too. I kept my word. But I kept my word to myself. That's the secret to everything. If you ask anyone who's gone through transformation with us, they'll tell you the number one thing. Who are you? They say, I'm a promise keeper to myself.

If I give you my word, I will keep my word. Wow. I don't care. They'll never talk about their weight because the weight doesn't matter. And you can take that and you can plug it into every aspect of your life and you can achieve that greatness. Zing. Abe, you know achieve that greatness. Zing. Abe, you know, that's the secret sauce right there.

So mic drop. That's how we do what we do. One thing though, just to add on to that, I think that sets the successful ones apart from the unsuccessful ones is the wherewithal to know that it's okay to fall. Because that is another thing. It's like they see these incredible journeys. They see these people making these, even if it's little baby steps one after another,

in their minds they see that success and they're like, but I'm imperfect. Well, once they realize that everyone else around them that's succeeding is imperfect too, they realize they can do it. It's about, it's not how many times you fall. It's about getting up more times than you fall. Even if it's 1500 times, if you get up 1500 and one times, you win. Just keep getting up. Yeah. I hear you. That's great. Now there's all, I mean, can you do it on your own? If you're 300

pounds overweight, can you do it on your own or you're 300 pounds overweight? Yes, 100%. Can you do it on your own? Absolutely. Or do you need accountability or some type of coach or support? Accountability and support, yes. The accountability is huge. And the moment you actually have a support system, a transformation team, your chances of success, they're going to skyrocket exponentially because you've got that connection. Connection is everything in the world of transformation. Now, can you do it on your own? Yeah, but there's not. It's so much harder.

It's like existing on your own. You know. It's not that much fun. We are social beings and we need that connection. I mean, it's innate. It's inside all of us. We need that connection for survival. We need it for emotional health.

We need it for everything. And so it's really, really important when, especially, and it, to speak to, you know, there's people out there that actually have, you know, a support system

that's really not a support system at all. It's almost bringing them down. Absolutely it is. You bet. And so it's really, It's like the crabs in the bucket.

I say that all the time and once one gets to the top, oh my gosh, I say that and people, they'll look at me all dog-eared and I'm like, you're kidding me? Crabs in a bucket. Once one gets to the top, the other gosh. I say that and people, they'll look at me all dog-eared. I'm like, you're kidding me?

Crabs in a bucket. Once one gets to the top, the other ones, they grab it and they pull it down. And sometimes they'll kill the crab. Yes. Yes. Dude, it's so true. I can't believe you just said that. You've made my day.

But that's exactly what it is. Because other people, you know, if you have one individual in a group of friends that's like, I'm going to transform. And they're like, well, what does that mean about me? Because the thing is, for them, they're like, well, I don't know if I'm ready. And all this fear. And then all of a sudden, one person says, I want to transform.

And they start changing their life. And then they start to worry that they're going to lose their friend. Or they're going to lose their spouse. Because the thing is, they're changing their life and they're moving on without us. We just say, what about us? And so it's when they try to grab you back in and say, hey, let's go to Buffalo Wild

Wings. Come on. Just like old times. Let's go get a beer and some chicken wings. And they try to lure you back in because a lot of times it's all fear based. They just don't want to be abandoned. But then here you are. You're like, I'm ready for a change.

I don't want to be sick and unhealthy anymore. I want to feel better. I want this. But it's hard because then you've got your social system, the support system that could be undermining you. So it's really important to help identify that and find people who are going to support you. And one of the first things that we'll do in the journey of transformation is take people and then go through that very first hurdle of introducing them to new friends out there, walking them into a yoga group or a CrossFit class or a walking group and just introduce them to other like-minded people that are looking to change their lives as well. Very,

very necessary in the process. Online, look at all the chat rooms and everything online of people that are loving fitness and changing their lives. Sorry, I didn't mean to talk so much here. No, it's all good. It's really important. I think especially online, there's so much support out there now, which people really need. What's your guys' vision moving forward now? You've got this new platform.

What's the platform called you guys have? The site or the platform? Transform with Chris and Heidi is the platform. .com or no? You can't go to.com, yes. Well, it's the transformapp.com. The transformapp.com. Yes, yes.

The app is the transform app. Is this an online app on your computer or on your mobile phone? Mobile phone, yes. So Apple and Google, yes. It's an app you download. Yes, exactly. And it takes you through the whole journey of transformation, whether it's weight loss, physique, women's physique, men's physique, cross-training, whatever transformation that you want, you're going to jump on.

You're going to onboard. It's going to take all of your biometrics. It will customize a full nutrition program specifically for you. It will take you through a full year and beyond of training in whichever direction you want to go. Does it create programming for you? Does it create everything? Nutrition, programming, everything. Is this videos by you guys teaching?

Over 1,000 videos by us. Just you two? Absolutely, yes. There's no other trainers in it? It's just you two? It's us. Wow. It's transformed with Chris and Heidi.

Crazy. And over 1,000 workouts in it. I mean, there's 350 recipes. And the thing is, so you jump in there and it says bacon, mac, and cheese. It's going to actually program all the portions for my bacon, mac, and cheese. Are they going to be different from your portions portions because we're looking for two different things so it'll actually scale the recipes up and down to you it'll scale it down to me it'll scale it down to her so everyone's everyone's journey is totally unique and so it's not a one-size-fits-all approach it is 100 customizable

to you but then all the workouts are you know you're a sports guy everything's progressive overload so it's not like oh here's a back and bicep workout. Thanks, right? No, your body changes, and as it adapts, you need more volume. You need more load. So your back, yeah, chest, shoulders, and bicep, or back, re-dots, and bicep, or maybe a cross-training workout on day one

is very different from a cross-training workout on day 48 because it's progressed you up. Because your body, this is about getting stronger, faster, better, leaner. So it's like everything is done. There's integrity behind everything that we build. And so that's why we're so stoked on this thing. Yeah. We're fired up about it. It already came out or is it coming out?

That actually came out in March. It's been out for a few months. Huge results so far. It's been awesome to see all the testimonials. To see the testimonials coming down the pipes. And we're working on 2.0 right now. And then pretty soon, actually in a couple weeks, we've got our

meals, fresh meals. So it's fresh by Transform. You want to run down on it? Yes. All over the country or where is this? So we're opening up regionally first. What's that? I need to open up my phone to see, but I think it's Colorado, Arizona. Oh, we're Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, North Texas, Utah, Nebraska, Oklahoma, South Dakota.

Yeah, so basically it's all – most of the Midwest all the way out to the California border. We'll be opening up California in September. What's it called? Fresh by Transform. And all of these meals are going to range between 270 up to like 450 calories. They're all low-carb, high-protein meals. And so they support the fitness lifestyle beautifully. Wow.

Yeah. And we'll send you some. Best part. Dude, so we actually teamed up. I get fired up about this stuff. I'm so stoked because we've got this brand-new technology that they use to actually seal and preserve the food. Oh, really? So it can last a little bit longer or it's not like two days and it's soggy.

Right? So as soon as the food comes out of the kitchens, it's called high-pressure pasteurization. So they seal it with 86,000 pounds of pressure and they hit it with cold water and it literally locks everything. It's almost like it freezes time on the flavor of the food. We don't have to preserve it with chemicals anymore. We don't have to use insane amounts of sodium. The only sodium we use now is just for flavor. And so when you actually cook it,

it's going to help the food will actually keep for over 30 days now. Versus an eight-day refrigerator fresh meal, now this is refrigerator fresh for 30 days. Is this sealed tight on it or is it just a plastic over the top? It's vacuum sealed with 86,000 pounds. It's because we use that. That's why there's no chemicals in it. That's amazing.

And it's brand new technology. And so when we say it's fresh, it's legitimately fresh. So we are the only person in this space that has the USDA all natural stamp of approval. So our food, every single one of our meals is totally certified all natural. Every ingredient. I'm going to have to try it. We'll send you some meals. You're going to love it. Amazing. So where can they get

the app? For the app, it's thetransformapp.com. For this, it's freshbytransform.com. Got it. And it's August 14th is our launch date. Sweet. And then by the end of the year, we're going to be in Whole Foods and Kroger stores.

Really? Yes. Kroger. Speaking my language. Oh, yeah. They're in Ohio. Cincinnati-based. That's right.

So, yeah. I grew up in Kroger. That's right. So, yeah. So, we're going to be in Whole Foods. Yeah. Boxes. They love the concept.

Is it the boxes or just the meals? No, you'll see the meals just like that. Wow, that's amazing. We're so excited because finally- Grasp on that. You know what'll see the meals just like that. Wow, that's amazing. We're so excited because finally – Grasp on that. You know what? We're really – we're fired up about it. But yeah, no, we're really excited because we brought the concept to Whole Foods and Kroger and everything.

They're like, this is amazing. This is so cool. What do you guys – especially because like – and the meals have got the digital backing behind it. So it's like as you're not just purchasing a meal, but there's a transformation with it. It helps you. Gotcha. Totally. Amazing.

Right? What's the, what's the mission for, for all of this then moving forward? Since you're, you know, the show isn't, you're not continuing the show and you're syndicated still,

but you're doing this new transform stuff. It's actually to build the tools, products and services to help people live happier, healthier lives. There you go. That's what we set out to do years ago. We just couldn't really do it with the show. We could provide the inspiration, but not the tools.

And now we can. Amazing. Yeah. It's exciting. I'm pumped for you guys. Thank you. Thank you so much. What's your social?

You guys hang out more on Instagram, Twitter? You know, Instagram and Facebook for me. Yeah. But I'm on Twitter, Pinterest, all that stuff. So he's at Real Chris Powell. I'm at Real Heidi Powell on all platforms. So simple. YouTube.

Well, yeah. And also, you know what's crazy? Well, they did with him. And then I had to, I'm like, well, I've got to follow suit because we wanted it easy. As soon as things started taking off, especially in the weight loss space, all of a sudden all these other Chris Powell accounts started popping up with diet pills and everything like that. And you're like, oh, come on, guys.

Please. So especially in that space, so we had to be real Chris and real Heidi Powell. I want to ask a couple of final questions. Bring it on. Bring it on. This one is I want you guys to answer about each other okay there's some laughs

going on behind the camera should I even read this I haven't planned this but I'm just curious the thing that you love about Heidi the most that no one else does like she does

what would that be you're gonna have to stretch to find something here. The one thing that I love about Heidi the most I'm going to say and aside from business and all that

she is genuinely like the greatest life coach. And this is like when our relationship began, her intentions are so amazing and pure. And she – and this is how I knew even early on, what an amazing person that she is, but also that she genuinely loves me, which I need that kind of comfort and that solace. But even in the worst of times, she is always there to try to help me through, to coach me through. to try to help me through, to coach me through. And whether or not she feels warranted to do it or not, she will always just jump in there and try to pull me up. And she's spent her life for the last seven years trying to pick me up. And most of the people out there, they haven't seen that part of me falling down and not believing and beating myself up.

And she's spent the last seven years picking me back up. And there's a reason why we're here right now. It's because of her. I don't know about that. Because she's the one who keeps picking me up and keeps us going. Wow. Yeah. So I love you.

And I love you for that. And I love you for so many more reasons. But thank you. Wow. Yeah. So I love you and I love you for that. And I love you for so many more reasons. But thank you. Wow. Yeah. And what about with him? I think you love about him the most. There's a lot. And I get ready. One thing. One thing. One thing. Gosh, there I'm going to try and stick with one, but I'm worried. I'm like, what if this isn't the highest priority one? You guys can have a love fest later and share all these things.

You'll come up with something really good in the car. Five minutes down the road, you'll be like, oh, I should have said that. Why is Chris your man and what makes him so unique and special? There is no one on this earth like Chris. Truly, truly. There is no one that, like I feel like Chris is

on this earth for a reason, to make a huge impact. Like that he is so dedicated to his purpose. It's not even, I have never met a harder working, more dedicated, pure intended individual than him. Wow. Hands down. You know I'm not blowing smoke. That's legit. You are. Thank you.

You're welcome. I've got the right partner for it. Amazing. I'm telling you. Let's all make out together. Yeah, right? Everyone in here. Awesome. This is called? Everyone in here. Awesome.

This is called The Three Truths. And if this was your final message to share to the world, if this was the last day for both you guys many years from now and no one had any of your content or apps or TV shows to remember you by and you had a piece of paper and a pen to write down your three biggest lessons or truths of life, what would you share with the world if this is all they get to remember you by? How do you start? Three truths.

Practice forgiveness. Gosh. How about, do you want me to pipe in next or are we doing three each? Three each. Oh, boy, here we go. And I saw this as I was actually glancing over your book just about loving deeper and and i just i think about my children and so can i can i use that because that is hands down probably one of the most powerful things that I've ever experienced is practice forgiveness, love so incredibly deeply, and live with purpose.

Yeah, those are hands down. And mine aren't going to be too far off from that. Honestly. One of them is love unconditionally. honestly um one of them is love unconditionally that is huge to me probably because i want it and need it more than anyone but i know everyone needs it and i really believe that unconditional love will and can change lives like people think it's diet and exercise i truly believe the only reason we had an impact and change lives is because we love them unconditionally. Yeah. You are worthy. Everyone is worthy of greatness.

Everyone is. But I would want everyone to know that they need to believe that and then live into that. The final thing would be not to place priorities on material things because I think the material success will come, you know, and it will carry us through this life, but you can't take that with you. I was telling Chris just yesterday, I said, you know, when I was saying I could get rid of everything, at the end of the day, yeah, money's great, but money can't take care of you when you're sick

and you're old. It can. You can hire someone to take care of you, but that person you hire, no matter how much money you pay, is never going to love you like your kids or your family will. And so making sure your priorities are on that, on the things that you can take with you, that's something I want my kids to know. I guess those are three things I want my kids to know. I guess those are three things I want my kids to know and everyone else. That's great. Well, I want to acknowledge you both for a moment for your incredible commitment and dedication to making an impact because you guys

have gone through a lot of struggle on your own and together starting out and still you're struggling in certain ways. But meeting you guys, I didn't really know what to expect except for what Steve and a few others told me, that you guys were like the most genuine, loving people. And I believe that to be true. So I want to acknowledge you for living in such a big purpose to others because there are so many people in pain, so many people struggling, and who don't know how to take the steps to get

out of their pain. And you guys are committing your lives to helping transform and more than just the physical weight for people, but emotionally and the belief in themselves. And I think when people believe in themselves, they're happier, they treat better themselves better, they treat others better and it heals the world. So I appreciate you both for the mission you're on. It means a lot. Thank you. Thank you. And likewise, by the way, you are making a huge difference in a positive way.

So thank you for everything. Yeah. Final question for you guys. Yes. What's your definition of greatness? I'll have you start. Oh, gosh. Oh, boy.

Oh, boy. I feel like I'm going to struggle with this. One sentence. Definition of greatness. Gosh dang. Why do I have to go first? Do you want Chris to start first? Chris can start.

I won't copy you. I would actually tie in greatness with integrity. And I think your, my definition of my definition of greatness is living with utmost integrity. Simple as that. And, and what it's totally relative to, to your own personal life, but yes, because integrity doing what you say you're going to do when you say you're going to do it. And that is going to go toward work and follow through and everything. But I think, and I know that I'm totally just rambling here, but nevertheless, if you live with utmost integrity, you can always achieve your own greatness. Okay. Having a purpose, working harder than anyone else, and being kind and respectful.

That is, hands down, those things make up greatness to me. Heidi and Chris. Thank you guys so much. Appreciate it. Lewis is awesome. Thank you, my friend. We certainly appreciate you. Appreciate it, guys.

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