The School of Greatness - 617 Master Your Energy and Heal Your Body with Donny Epstein

Episode Date: March 20, 2018

“UNLESS YOU CLAIM EXTRAORDINARY, ORDINARY CLAIMS YOU.” Your mindset is one of the most powerful tools you have. In fact, it’s so powerful you may not even realize how much it affects you every day. When you show up with a lot of energy, excited, and ready give fully you will energize everyone around you. When you show up with no energy and sluggish, you’ll zap the energy out of everyone in the room with you. It’s your duty to manage the energy you give to the world with your mindset. This not only includes your day to day choices, but also the choice you make about how your past experiences show up. On this episode of The School of Greatness, I bring you an expert on energy and perception: Donny Epstein. Donny has been training practitioners in EpiEnergetics, which is provides strategies to unlock greater human resourcefulness, development, and evolution. He is the founder and developer of Network Spinal Analysis, which is renowned for its mind and body applications and is the fastest growing chiropractic methods today. Donny sat down with me to explain how you can gain and harness an abundance of energy, where our problems originate from, why you should expect miracles and much more, on Episode 617. Some Questions I Ask: Why do we become unaligned to who we are? (7:18) How do we get an abundance of energy? (14:00) What is life? (18:56) What do you mean by withdrawal of love? (27:17) Did they teach you all of this at chiropractic school? (38:30) Forgiveness isn’t about the other person? (42:51) What’s a miracle, in your mind? (46:16) In This Episode You Will Learn: Where our thoughts really come from (12:20) How you can allow energy to come in (18:40) The energy you should and shouldn’t be giving people (22:03) Donny’s definition of pain (28:46) When Donny started diving deeper into his work (39:25) How you can create change that will heal (45:23) Plus much, much more

This is episode number 617 with Donnie Epstein. Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin. Mark Cuban said, if you're not positive energy, then you're negative energy. The world is full

of energy and you get to decide how you want to show up every single day, energetically in your body, with your mind, with your thoughts, with your words, and the things you think create certain things in your body, certain reactions. And it's our duty to manage these energy fields and to manage all the things that happen in our life. And for the past 30 years, Donnie Epstein has developed and trained practitioners in epigenetics methodologies, which is a unique process that provides strategies to unlock greater human resourcefulness, development, and evolution. He's the founder and developer of Network Spinal Analysis, which is widely applauded for its mind-body application. Network chiropractic is one of the fastest growing methods of chiropractic today.

And since 1983, Dr. Epstein has instructed thousands of chiropractors and chiropractic students. And in the past five years, he's assisted over 10,000 attendees at the Transformational Gates seminars. And in this interview, we're covering why we become unaligned to who we really are. Also, how to get an abundance of energy. You know, there's so much happening in our lives, especially as busy entrepreneurs or people with side hustles or people who have a lot of kids or just a lot of projects going on.

There's so much energy. How do we harness an abundance of energy? That's what we're covering today. Also, where all of our problems originate from and how to eliminate them. Why we should expect miracles in our lives and the relationship between faith and certainty. This is an interesting and powerful one. I hope you enjoy this. Make sure to take a screenshot.

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It's a little bit different than some of the topics we have on, but I think you'll find it pretty interesting as well. Master your energy and heal your body with the one, the only, Donny Epstein. Welcome back, everyone, to the School of Greatness podcast. We have the miracle worker of the house, Donny Epstein. Good to see you, sir.

How are you doing? It's great to be here. Wonderful. Great. I just went through a journey with you, an experience that I feel very relaxed, aligned, taller and more committed and focused ever on my purpose. So thanks for the experience and the journey. I'm sure I was just scratching the surface of what's possible, but thanks for the work

on me. Well, the key of everything is to help people align with why they're really here. Everything else is distraction. Right. That's it. There are invisible forces that shape our life, shape our destiny. And people, the challenge for people is we believe hallucination, that the physical reality is all there is.

We believe hallucination, that the physical reality is all there is. And in that game, we don't have enough to make happen what needs to happen. Because every time something's extraordinary, every time it's extraordinary, we don't know where we are, we know when we are, but we know why are yeah, and that's the magic here. What's happening now for me. What's extraordinary for me is taking care of you and knowing that the forces that organize your life In your specific way or more aligned and the force of attraction will make you more able now people watching this You know This guy's dangerous as he has been okay now imagine getting more juice to why he's here in that way so we're all

in for a great but isn't that the best we could do for it's not we do in common absolutely you know add value to people's lives they add value yeah what else is there how do we get why do we become unaligned to who we are? Oh, because a few things. The first thing is because we become addicted to comfort, for being accepted, for being liked, because that's a necessary stage past survival. See, first you have survival. This thing called bioenergy intelligence,

or survival mechanism comes in. Do we have enough metabolic energy to stay alive? That's it. And any time you don't have enough of that energy, you downsize our life. Because the purpose of that intelligence is to downsize your life so you survive. And that's it. Then when great opportunity comes, I'm not going to do it. I have to survive.

After that, we have this emotional intelligence that activates, and that helps us make rapid changes. And that's really great. But if you don't have the advantage to survive, you're going to mute the changes you need to have. Then we have this mental thinking intelligence that we think this is the greatest. If I think it, it's real.

No. It's not even your thoughts. And the thought intelligence helps you first develop a knowledge of you survived and became a mommy and daddy and now you can make some small changes and cry when you need to make a response. Now you have this thinking thing called the mind that makes us think that I'm thinking. But all you're doing at that time is being conditioned to be a mini mommy and a mini daddy. Why?

Because the purpose of survival is to fit in. The next level is to fit in as you grow up because you've sent to the world, at least if you don't follow the rules and be accepted by people, you die, you're in prison, something else happens. It's a stage in development

we're supposed to outgrow. And what do you like? Will they be acceptable? But you validate it. You say, do you like me? Do you not? And that's the stage. By the time you're a teenager, you start changing that.

And then we get to the upper thought. Is this the best that you have to optimize? You use it very strongly. Well, we know you're doing this, but what do you want to do? What's the real thing? How do you go? How do we optimize it? That's great.

Both levels of mind. Part of this hallucination is it's me thinking, the thoughts are in my head, and I have to replace one type of thought by another type of thought. Are these beliefs true or not? And we're conditioned to who we're supposed to be to be accepted and have love. And the answer to the question is that comfort is better than feeling like you're dying. Having a story why things are not working is better than not having a story because you're more energy. But that story exists at a level of energy.

This is the key. Every thought, every energy, every thought, every emotion, everything you produce, every condition, every disturbance in life only exists at a certain level of energy. You drop the energy, you get a sucky, a thought-sucky experience. You raise it, you're more comfortable, raise it. The entire story you had is outgrown. It's a key area that most people want ordinary. They want to follow the list of what's supposed to happen in life.

They want to get just that amount because happiness is meeting your list. But your list was conditioned by what you need to get love. It's not even your list. You follow your parents' and parents' list. And if you hate your parents, you're doing everything opposite the list.

It's still not you. So this is it. Unless you claim extraordinary, ordinary claims you. And the cultural hallucination becomes yours, the struggle becomes yours, the effort, you own the story but not your life. If you have a story, you have results. If you do, you have a story and results.

And as we then claim a higher level of energy, we can now start impacting the environment more than it impacts us. That's what you're doing. I mean, how many billion people are impacted? But it's not just what you're saying. It's the energy around you that's being transmitted congruent with it. Your greatness here, and what you have, is that you are helping generate a coherent, congruent field of energy that people can use.

We think it's the words we're saying. It's who we're being. Especially, guys, the most difficult thing for us is to believe that we can have things without effort because the more struggle, I mean, I almost killed myself.

I'm in the battle of the scars at work. To realize that it's who we're being when that happens that makes the difference. And that's all energy. We're rewarded who we're being when that happens that makes the difference. And that's all energy. We're rewarded or we're punished instantly by our energy efficiency in the relationship of others.

And that's the space between us called the field. It's where reality happens. Thoughts really occur. Thoughts are not in your mind. Thoughts are in the field. The amount of energy you have determines what you grab from the field and call yours. Change energy level is different there.

So we have to get the right energy at the right time. Not like little bears, three little bears, not too much, not too little. Just right. Just right. That's it. Just right. Even in Genesis, and we created the world, it was good. It was good time to rest.

So you're saying thoughts are not in our mind. They're in a field. That's right. and we created the world, and it was good. It was good time to rest. So you're saying thoughts are not in our mind. They're in a field. That's right. What field? Well, between us is a space called the field. Between what? Everything.

Around Adam is a field. Simple example, the magnetic field of the earth. Thought exists as a field. Emotion is a field. Electricity doesn't occur in the wire. Electricity doesn't occur in the wire. Electricity occurs in the space around the wire, in a field around the wire. We're not communicating, a field is communicating. The nervous system, or I invite you to get this, okay? And those who aren't getting it, get it. The nervous system perceives the world. What does it perceive? Sound. What is sound?

Subtle vibration of the atmosphere in the field around you. Your environment. That's it. What is vision? The photon light energy in the field around you. What is smell? Dissolved particles in the field around you. Taste that seems taken.

We make our senses transmit the environment and interpret it. What you're doing is you're not seeing the environment. You're seeing your projection onto the environment. At least 80% of what you see is capturing your projection. So now when you don't have enough energy, the environment breaks you down. You have more, you're at status quo and you're comfortable. That's the big drug. How do we get an abundance of energy?

It will not happen until you claim it. How do you claim it? Have a vision bigger than yourself. Hold at least two perspectives, if not three. So the way it goes is this. When life is kind of messed up, basically less resourceful we are, we don't realize we're the one interpreting the environment or the world. How you doing? How do you expect them to do it? The IRS is doing this. How do you do it? Well,

I have the book launch going. I have so much to do. How you doing this? I don't know. The podcast went down. How you doing? You don't know if it's happened to my daughter. That's about it. That's how you're doing. You equal your circumstance. Every time you make a difference for someone else, every time you have a new idea, every time you love more, you pause and you realize it's me observing.

You see yourself talking to your woman and all of a sudden you hear yourself say, who is that saying that? Oh, it's me. Once you realize there's a me who's observing the reality, things start changing. And there's an observer that makes you survive, that makes you react, think, one that makes you love, the ones you feel the gratitude. Each one will impart something different.

Because around all energy is information. It's a binary code. Information that observes a something called consciousness. So what's the energy, the consciousness around fossil fuel? I mean, is it love? Okay. Well, you know what it is. It's greed.

It's power. It's control. So when you use that energy, it produces this consciousness of the world. What are you thinking? When you're thinking how this sucks, that sucks, that's energy. It's adding that consciousness to the world. I want people to realize that every time we use energy, we have to consciously use the energy that's going to produce the result in consciousness

and the world and the space between us. So we are responding to the space. Because the reality is now, this is maybe a little crazy, but you've had some crazy people on here and there, okay? The reality is greater than we experience. The field is our intermediate. So the field is the cloud where information is stored. intermediate. So the field is the cloud where information is stored. And based upon our energy and attention in our body, our posture, the way we experience in the world, we retrieve the thought that matches it. It doesn't match the experience.

Our experience will match the energy we have. The amount of energy available when you remember something, is it a wound or is it a gift? Was I injured, I can't play a ball anymore? I have to be messed up on the couch? Or does some energy happen where you say, f*** this? It doesn't happen until the energy changes, the thoughts change. So that's what we're talking about. The field is the space that we share. We retrieve that traumatic memories is not stored in the body. The resonance of it is in the body. But it actually,

because we can't store that much information. When I'm saying we're not here, we're part of a whole sea of humanity. Why? Because how do you know that? When people have spiritual awakenings, their experience of giving beyond themselves, they're not there.

They're in the joy of others or in everything else. When you're building a vision, building your business, building a dream, you're not there. The vision, you're in the vision of what's happening. When you've messed up, you're back here again. You're doing a podcast, you're out there.

In between, you messed up again. Why? Because you're holding more energy. And the more information, bandwidth you need, the more energy. And the more information bandwidth you need, the more energy you need. And why bandwidth? If you're going to be in a relationship with a person, you need more bandwidth.

Two people, you have a company now. Now, how many podcasts you're doing a day, a week, how many things you're doing, I mean, you need a whole team of energy. You need more energy. But the higher up you go energetically, the more energy the system gives back if you allow it. So how do you allow it to come in?

Well, first, realize it's not your energy. It's not even your life. Whose life? It's humanity's. The quality of your life is proportionate to how big you see your system, how big you see the impact it's going to be. So what happens is this, if you hold two perspectives, things get better. You hold your perspective and my perspective. When you hold three perspectives, your perspective, my perspective, your audience perspective, that activates the cerebral cortex to create a different field of energy that impacts people.

So if you can hold at least three perspectives simultaneously where you're accepting all of them, automatically there's more energy. You can't be in a stress zone. Stress zones kick in when it's just your perspective. One's right, one's wrong. So what you can do is do it. I have different exercises you can do. For example, if you put your hand to your body and you focus on your breath, that's one perspective.

You focus on being here, it's two perspectives. Now you focus on the movement, three perspectives. You focus on your feel, four perspectives. Most awakening and most spiritual gifts involve holding three simultaneous perspectives. When I create things, I may hold seven to 20 perspectives. But after a while, they clump and become automatic. So I have to find another perspective to stay at the leading edge.

So you hold many perspectives. That's when you coach people. You're hearing what all they're saying. You're accepting them where they're at. At the same time, you're not accepting them where they're at because you're seeing where they are and you're seeing where they must be at the same time. That energizes the field around you, and that's where people learn.

That's where they grow. Because if we energize the field, somehow it creates synchronicity. It creates power. It creates teamwork. And it's not because of what we said. It's not because of the brilliant words we have. It's because of the energy we put into those words our way of being yeah that's it and that's for the guy it's the toughest thing because we think the shit we accomplish

what's that about and then the feminine energy will tell us that's not it so the real good feminine energy in your life when you're down she'll tell you how great you are and when you're great she'll tell you you're not so good that's the magic the other perspective that's the magic so the really great question how do you get there the first thing you have to have a compelling reason to get there

a vision bigger than yourself and that requires a higher part of your brain and more energy now we're rewarded or punished instantly, biochemically, by how efficient we are in helping others. When we take from the field, you may have a family member, you know someone here listening to this or watching this, who's perhaps bipolar, perhaps an alcoholic, perhaps an addiction.

They're always at such a low energy level, energy is collapsing, so they're requiring other people to keep putting energy into the field. You may feel you feel drained by that, but if you believe it's your energy, understand they're starving for energy. They feel they can't survive. Part of being more aware is you give them consciously, but don't give them the energy they're looking for. Give them a higher source. What do you mean?

They're looking for reaction from you. Don't give them that. They're looking for judgment. Don't give them that. Ask, if things were better, what would it be like? Or say, what would love do? Or just be quietly, just bathe them in love. Because we all have a source of energy that we need that won't satisfy. We get habituated on that.

It's a different one. So the other family member, the family member's always getting energy. It's always a crisis. Hey, fix her and I'm OK. OK. We're part of a whole dynamic. Fix the economy. Fix the president. This is it. We're part of the whole system. And

the idea is this. We drain the system of energy. Inflammatory cells are built up in our body. We become depressed. And depression is depression of energy. Depression is really rage minus enthusiasm. The person's pissed off and not freaking do anything about it.

If you're making life about you and not doing anything about making a difference, you're supposed to be depressed. You're supposed to be anxious. You're supposed to be f***ed up and nothing's supposed to help it. It's not making you feel better. It's about to be anchors. You're supposed to be f***ed up and nothing's supposed to help it. It's not making you feel better. It's about you earning value. We're biological species. You're rewarded for making a difference

and punished for collapsing. Our systems collapse. When you make business and it's just about you producing a transaction, it's going to crash. And you're going to suffer. You have to. But as it comes to the relationship between

my essential nature The nature of Who I am in my authentic nature and the energy and the environment The environment is always trying to break you down. Ask Jess is dust of dust on the vinegar you break down you die and if you're comfortable and you become an agent of what your parents told you, the culture told you and everything else

and your stories are protected. And even if you get successful, you're going to drop it out and you're going to lose it out because you want to make sure nothing really changes. But now you're an agent of the air and now you can impact other things.

You add even more energy to the system, even more energy, the spiritual energy to the system. It's not about praying or meditating. It's about doing good shit for people because. It's about seeing people as they are. It's what I call AEA, acknowledging, at first becoming aware of things as they are without going to change them.

Could you influence anybody if you don't accept them? Probably not. Then people say, well, get rid of my pain. How could you influence your body or your finance until you first accept where you're at? While seeing it better. So they acknowledge it, give testimony, give voice to this is the way it is right now. Not it's because of this, this is the way it is. And when you're with it,

when you're with the experience of without the hunger to change it, to stop it, to make it something else, when that happens, suddenly, suddenly at that particular point,

it changes. Yeah. Because you brought a different energy and then accept it as the way it's been. Until you accept something, nothing changes. With acceptance, it's a spiritual energy.

And now you have so much energy, we call it love. And we withdraw love, that's it. The withdrawing of love is an act of violence. People don't realize it. The withdrawal of love is an act of violence. That's right. What do you mean by withdrawal of love? If you choose, you didn't do this, I don't

withdraw my love from you. Conditional. Because you are choosing to drop the energy in the system which your relationship is based upon to punish them. Punishes you. Punishes you.

The purpose of pain, undefined pain. Ask me, how do I define pain? punishes you. Punishes you. The purpose of pain, undefined pain. Ask me, how do I define pain? How do you define pain? Glad you asked that. I define pain as any uncomfortable experience or circumstance that interrupts your ability

to be present in the magic of the moment. So if you have to do a run and only play the music you like instead of listening to what's going on If you go to the refrigerator ten times looking like this over and over not knowing what you're looking for If you in front of the great income eradicated television flipping flipping through the buttons overall mindlessly Eradicator television flipping flipping through the buttons overall mindlessly if you walk outside And you're in a meal with somebody and you can't get away from your mobile device at the time That's pain. Hmm. Our culture is addicted to all these things of pain to be with You know say hey, I sent you a text message. I'm in the room. How about talking to me?

So when you talk to the person the field engages with the body of the most instinctive behavior the smells you know it's true it's real here otherwise it's a concept world. Now it's great to start there we have to get the next level so it's the energy level that we have the more bandwidth you experience the bigger your worldview the more energy you need. And the key thing is you'd like a match, a piece of wood, a little match, a lot of heat comes out. So it may take only a little to initiate it.

Oh, it takes so much to get to the next level. Once you're there, that's it. So fake it till you make it. Act as if. And that becomes. Give thanks in anticipation of having received. Before it's received. That is, I mean, these are spiritual truths.

Tithe, give of whatever it is to whatever your source is in some way. If you're not getting ready to start doing that, start caring about people more and that makes a big difference. What I've recognized working with people through all different systems and being able to measure when they're at peak efficiency, coherence, making a difference in the way they're experiencing the world, the way the body is functioning, the behavior, actions,

I noticed that it's a recipe we all have. And the recipe is a simple recipe that there's a structural way of making change, a behavioral perception. Two of them are going of making change, a behavioral and perception. Two of them are going to be good, one is going to suck at everyone. That means either you're going to be terrible at structures no matter what you can't even think about it,

or you're terrible at doing stuff, you're terrible at feeling. Accept the nature and do what works. This is a big lesson for everyone here. We're guided. If it's effort, it means we're not using the forces. Now get back to the field, okay? We look at this here and lining it up.

Or you put the letter mat on. And they line up in an organic way. That's what you felt in your body happening. That happens in life. If it's effort you're using in the mind to control the experience consistent with what you think is supposed to happen,

and the larger forces of life, of instability, you will try to rip that apart. So you have a choice. We all have a choice. Either create a temporary instability with lots of energy when we say we want to see a novelty

experience. We've changed everything. What would it be? We've changed this. Experience that. Find a new way to experience your love. Find a new way to kiss. Every day when I shave, I say I'm going to start over here. Make a habit of experiencing things

with novelty differently that creates your ability to see novelty and not try to block it so either you create that or the larger system which wants to break everything

back to dust and life is about how long we can reverse the return to dust with the right energy, it's going to require it. It's required. All chronic problems in life are all a result of trying to have too much stability with your identity. And your identity is protecting you from who you really are. But you have to have identity before you lose.

You have to be somebody before you're nobody. You have to know the rules before you break them. That's it. You don't have to like them but you have to know them. That's what it's about.

So right now, what do we have in the world? I believe the biggest pain in the world is the fact that our worlds from humanity's beginning until to now, now, is based on a model of the world of survival and scarcity of resources. So everything is the fear of being left out, fear of losing. We know that model.

It's over. The dragon is dead to stay out of the way of the tail. So what we're looking for here is the first tier of consciousness from all of humanity up to now is based upon scarcity. We want to bind energy with the illusion of ownership. What the millennials are doing is saying, the illusion of ownership. What the millennials are doing is saying

**** with ownership. I don't care. I'm going to put this on the internet. I'm going to share this everything. Have this. It's a new model.

Airbnb, what do they own? Facebook, what content do they have? Take a look at this. It's a new model. Imagine when they started sharing songs

on the internet. It's going to destroy the music industry. It built it. So the first year of consciousness is based upon the illusion of scarcity and that I have to bind energy and information for myself. It's my generation that mastered that. We mastered it.

We mastered it. This is my information. This is my data. I can't work along with you. This is it. You're my children. I own you. You're my wife.

I own you. We're going to build it. And whoever can take as much piece of the pie for themselves as possible wins. Until they die. And they're dying along the time. This is the key. In this model, the only way you release the energy and control is if it's forced away from you. So you have to lose family members.

You have to be raped or attacked. Your identity and story has to be ripped apart. It's a larger force. The system wants it because right now in America, it's really messed up. In this model of healing, to have greatness, and you know, you're a school of greatness. Life is a school of greatness. It's going gonna make you great if it doesn't kill you first

right right but in this model you have to be attacked or abandoned or wounded to have greatness today they teach you this all in chiropractic school none of it but they did do the reason went to carpet to college originally and that was the basis do. The reason they went to chiropractic college originally, and that was the basis of everything, was the original principle of chiropractic that came out, was written about in 1900, was there's a universal organizing intelligence in everything, in all matter. And the job of the nervous system was relay the universal wisdom in the form and the body, and that was called health. And everything is evolving in life.

Because that came out at the same time equal MC squared, energy matter one. You have Thoreau's writings, law of compensation. You had music capturing the art in the moment. It was all about the energy, the ethers, the spirits. Nobody will know anything the mind can see from truly what we will achieve. This was the idea. But we got so involved in our busyness that we forgot that's really basic principles. It's time to get back to that. Mm-hmm

Yeah, when did you start diving in deeper into that everything that you've been working on now? it's been a process over the years, but basically but watching the results people have and Seeing things that changed. Like for one woman who came to me in the 1980s and she had rheumatoid arthritis and systemic lupus or autoimmune diseases and she hardly moved her hand

and she would sit and talk to me like this and she was a social worker. So I asked her, what happened about 16, 17 years? She goes, I felt the body and I felt particular patterns

by doing enough histories. The body gets locked in a pattern and it feels like a certain way. And do you have any, your sexual abuse wasn't determined at that time. Were you ashamed at that time? And she said, no, nothing happened. I took care of it.

As I'm holding a gentle touch on her neck, she screams, she curses, she punches me. She jumps off the table. She starts shaking, foaming the mouth, and she starts vomiting I had high green carpet at that time

and all I could say was my 20s was crazy bitch my carpet that's it okay and this happened when she

and I was like what's happening and everyone ran in the room she's screaming like I was attacking her I went back

in my reception what happened what did you do she said look at you I was going to get black and white she belted me so I went back in my reception, what happened? What did you do? She said, look at you. I was going to get black and white. She belted me. So I went in there.

I went to take care of her. And she's sitting on the floor going like this. She couldn't open her hands. I opened her hands and closed them. Thank you, thank you, thank you. But it was one of the turning points. A couple of visits later, she told me she remembered 16 and a half years ago a stepfather raped her. And she remembered that. From that point on she was in care for

four years before she moved to California, her systemic lupus and her root arthritis was gone. So I started seeing the relationship with that. That wasn't the powerful part. What happened is her body went back into the posture that it was in at the time of the injury with more energy resources. So it experienced the energy differently. It brought energy source into her. Energy was bound up and liberated and now it was no longer a wound. She experienced it in about five minutes going from the wound to a gift. I started saying,

this is the more powerful part. Because in answering the question, I'm looking, searching for what might be the answer. I took care of her the next time. And I worked with her gently,

a gentle touch of the spine in my earlier systems. A gentle touch this is how I learned what's happening from people I want to know when you have a hunger to say how could I help not just fix you but help fix your world

with a hunger to do it somehow communication happens because that person's desire to be whole in what they're here for is stronger than even my clinical capacity. That'll guide me. She said, I feel so happy. I feel so joyous.

I said, why? Should I forgive him? Who? Stepfather. So what did I say? You can't forgive the bastard. That's where I was at the time. I was in my 20s, a guy in New York.

I was like, yeah. F*** him. But it's not about him. Like, yeah. F*** him. So. But it's not about him. That's right. That's right. That's it. Forgiveness isn't about the other person.

That's. Yeah. Well, fitness is energy in the field. This is it. I'll get to that. This is, I think, the crux of it. When you realize there's an observer, the observer influences what's being observed.

And every moment, your blessing, your cursing, your history, your past, your family, which energy is necessary to liberate your dynamic between you and them, that is the magic of manifestation. So I've developed systems where you take a look at when you're upset with somebody, you experience it here. When you're happy, you experience it here here when you're happy you experience it here When you're everything else and if you just move where you experience it to different energy, it's different result

So this is what happened. Yeah with this woman She told me the next day that that night That she forgave him. That's she gave us more than that She realized That she said to me. Do you know she forgave him was more than that. She realized that she said to me, do you know what I do? I'm a social worker. I said, yeah, I know.

Do you know what I do? No, I work in the very pot line. If it wasn't for that, how many hundreds of girls would not be liberated? That was a gift to me. But not as a rationalization. She had more energy. Her body was different.

And she now recalled it with, when she was, her observer recalled the experience with a higher amount of energy, so it's a gift. Nothing else changed in her life. You don't have to change your circumstance or your relationship. All you have to do is change the energetic of how you experience the world or react to it. This is it.

That night, the father called her and apologized. Did not speak to her. In 16 years, he said, listen, I've been tormented. Wow. I'm having cancer. I'm dying. I don't know what happened. But last night, I had just so much guilt for what I did for you.

And I will hurt your life. And in making my peace, it just came to me last night. I have to apologize for the pain I caused for you. It was the same time she experienced that. Of course, the representation of the rape in her body and in the field was changed. So her attachment and the energy of how she's been cursing her father all along changed. She flipped that. Those are the things that helped me start on the path of looking at that.

That if there's no change in meaning, there's no healing. There's no change in meaning. There must be healing. You must change the meaning out of the circumstance of your life. And then I realized at some point

there's nothing to heal, just to energize and to be with. That's a whole different thing. It's big. This is big. We're cursing or blessing people all the time

because for our comfort, we want to keep them as a story. You don't have a difficulty with your husband or wife. You don't know my husband or wife. Well, that's good. They don't know you either. But the point is this. You have a problem with the energy you have

when you experience them in the story you're making because your story gives you certainty. How's that? That's a powerful one. That's good. You're going to watch this again. Make sure you share it. Make sure you share it. Make sure you share it with the people you've had contempt for.

What's a miracle in your mind? A miracle is the natural order of how life works. So it's not really a miracle. Well, we must experience it as a miracle. The Spirit is magic. The Spirit is divine intervention. I expect miracles all the time. I expect it. That's it. Because it happens often,

it doesn't mean it's a miracle. It's like faith. A miracle is an expression of what happens when faith enters a space between us. The most difficult thing for many people and millennials now is they have to have their certainty

not their faith another thing you may have to help I think it's going to be important here seduction and romance that has to happen more in the world

millennials that you have to have more why? what is seduction? That has to happen more in the world. Millennials, that you have to have more. Why? What is seduction? Massive uncertainty with a touch of fear while you're holding the energy for something greater that may happen. And in that energy, the two of you you energy field gets charged excited that's what

happens it used to be you give a girl a kiss or a guy who ever give a kiss go to war and dream about that person and come back for another kiss the beatles saying i want to hold your hand not your private part okay it's a different thing it's a different thing in that romance in that seduction magic happens the good old days

are never when you're having certainty and reaching your goals never that's how you get old it's when you don't know how next thing's gonna happen and together don't know how the next thing's going to happen. And together with the person, in the fear and the faith, something happens. They call that love.

That's what I believe the organizing intelligence has faith in us in that way. It's a romance with us. Most of the time it's a sad sitcom, but it's a whole other thing. But this is it the same Sensory experience of uncertainty and fear without energy. It's called trauma Because we're not holding a higher vision with something else of whatever you now call the fear worry Seduction it's massive uncertainty

While holding a vision of something greater for more than yourself with plenty of energy that someone else responds to and there's more energy. And why do you want it? Because the body responds to energy biochemically. You're drugged. This is it, baby boomers. Get this.

I know in this day taking my experience, we don't want to fight in the wars that my father risked his life for. We don't want to work for the military industrial complex. We don't want to do that. Love, sex, rock and roll, free love, just love, no rules. We want to be in a commune of communities. Baby, I want to let you know, millennials, you are our salvation.

You are the promise of we went in the world, but we got too comfortable to go after it. Because you have your community, your online community. It's not about binding. It's liberating energy. It's a free energy of pure awareness free energy of love and enthusiasm It's a collective collaborative experience because individuals know we can't do it ourselves. It must be a way This is what's going on. It's a shared experience. I I can't get them to work. Well, I'm gonna work eight hours I do I you know, don't give you a raise don't give me a raise. Let me take off my birthday

Fuck my birthday. You're getting more money here. No, no. Let me have a party with my friends. Are your friends more important? And I got it. Oh, my God. I hear all the things that I wanted

for my generation as a teenager and a young adult. And you're helping fulfill it. And I couldn't. But I got a piece you don't have. I got a depth of wisdom. I have a depth of energy, a depth of perspective beyond my generation. So what has to happen now is I believe the millennials,

you've got the future, but the next year of consciousness is not about binding for yourself. It's not about what are the numbers of people I have following me. It's not about that. It's not about roles. It's not about binding for yourself. It's not about what are the numbers of people I have following me. It's not about that. It's not about roles. It's about souls.

The second tier of consciousness, we don't have to be wounded to have greatness. Because it's not you and me. We are we. One human experience. You're seeing that now. And prosperity now is having access to you. The reason why you could be my opinion, my humble opinion, the reason why you can be as successful in life as you are in all different ways is because you're driven by distributing

information to people to improve the quality of their lives and the finances are a result of that right because that's what you're driven by yeah other models not going to work That's not good you you you were one of the people holding the torch for this next year of consciousness I'm giving articulating it in this case. It's the abundant use of free energy and awareness free access so People go online they have access to your wisdom they have access to all the wisdom

of all these people I mean this is unheard of in human history there used to be a book you had to read a book and some people couldn't even do it

it's unheard of there's a reward for that access to then what is what is abundance abundance is how much you give to the field to condition it now I may give is how much you give to the field to condition it.

Now I may give to you, you may give to me. It doesn't mean it's going to come from there. It will come from someplace else. And something will give me an opportunity. It will be an opportunity to make money. It will probably be an opportunity to serve somebody. Any choice made purely rationally is a redo. Because if it doesn't involve what would love say, what would love do, how I'm being guided,

what's in this universe telling me, what is not working, what is working, not what I want less of, what more do I want to bring to the world, and what more must I bring to the world. And when you hold those things, something happens and fills you. And I can promise you, I can promise you, I'm pretty listening, that this is what this man asks over and over and over. And that's part of, that is the school, that's the school of greatness

behind the school of greatness. There you go. I like it. A couple final questions for you. This has been very interesting and powerful. This is called The Three Truths. So imagine this is your last day many years from now and you've achieved everything you want.

You've reached every dimension. You've enlightened yourself into whatever you wanted to do or be and you've impacted everyone you want to impact. Done it all. Whatever you want to do, you've done it. But it's the last day for you many years from now in your physical body. And everything you've put out in the world, you have to take with you. So no one has access to the information.

Your words, your videos, your books, your teachings are gone. They're with you, but no one has access. But you have a piece of paper and a pen to write down the three things you know to be true about everything you've experienced in your life or everything you've taught or learned and that's all the world would have is access to these three truths or three lessons what would you write down as yours the first one is what would love say what love do how would love show up? number one number two everything creation

Is an expression of energy and information choose wisely Number three It's all magic It is those are good yeah and you don't have to know how the trick is done yeah

that's the faith yeah that's true mmm okay where can we connect with you online EpiEnergetics I'm EpiSteam

okay epienergetics.com EpiEnergetics is a conscious and ecological use of energy and information which is extraordinary. And it's the magic behind everything. By working with people in healing arts

and working with people in spinal integrity, 11 universities have studied different aspects of the work we do. We have found how to produce a human identifier, a signature of how you organize the world authentically and help work with that. People got their master's and PhD degrees studying it. I've learned from this how living systems, how the life force, the organizing wisdom works.

And it's a lifetime learning for all of us, including myself. So we'd like to invite you to be part of this collaborative community of people who are seekers if you know there's more more than physical world if you know you want to be more you have to give more you have to share more if you know there's always more and that's what calls you you have a calling you have a sense a scent of this more in world and you want to bring it then we have a way of coming home. You're going to see the commonly unseen. You're going to hear the commonly unheard.

You're going to feel the commonly unfelt. You'll be the commonly un-you. Everything you thought was important will be replaced by everything that is important. And finally, hopefully, real soon, for the first time in your life, you'll come home. And there's always Homer at beenergetics.com there you go and they can sign up for everything there

and check it out take a look and look at all the information all the information there cool thank you one more question for you before I ask you

I want to acknowledge you for a moment Donnie for your incredible work in trying to not trying but supporting so many people around the world through

showing them who they truly are and bringing them back home I think it's really powerful what you've been able to do and you've been making a massive impact on so many people so I acknowledge you for that this is the final question that's called the greatness question so what is your definition of greatness greatness is an experience of a connection beyond yourself and the forces that are in existence and the ability to manifest it in the world.

Thanks so much, Tommy. It's my pleasure. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. I hope you enjoyed this episode, my friends. If you did, as always, take a screenshot of this on your phone right now.

Tag me on Instagram stories, on your Instagram page, on Twitter, Facebook, at Lewis Howes. And the link for this is lewishowes.com slash 617. Share it out. All the show notes, the full video interview is back at lewishowes.com slash 617. So you can learn more about Donnie and everything he's talked about over there. Everything else we covered in this interview is back there. But this is all about how do we have more abundance in our life, abundant energy. And there's always something we can do to increase our level of awareness and alignment with our body and who we were born to be.

I hope you enjoy this one. And again, you were born to do something great. You weren't born just to show up, live an average life and die. That's not who you are. That's not why you're here. That's not what this is about. This experience is about you discovering who you are, what you love, what you're passionate about,

what you're excited about and how you can leave this world better than when you found it. That's what this is about. But you need the energy, you need the abundance to be able to take on the challenges, the adversity, and the journey that comes along with it. So I hope you got some value from this episode. Again, if you did, share it out with your friends online, anywhere, tag me, atlewishouse. And as always, you know what time it is. It's time to go out there and do something great. Thanks for watching!