The School of Greatness - 62 How to Make It In the Music Industry with Jennifer Paige

Episode Date: April 22, 2014

After a single year in Los Angeles, Jennifer Paige had a hit single and found herself touring the world doing what she was passionate about. This kind of success isn't only valuable for those who want to become world class singers. The lessons gleamed from this interview can be used if you're an artist, entrepreneur or athlete. Thank you for listening this week! To get all the show notes and watch to Jennifer and Lewis sing together, visit www.lewishowes.com/62

This is episode number 62 with singing superstar Jennifer Page. Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin. Hey, what is up, greats?

Thanks so much for hanging out with me on this very special episode of the School of Greatness podcast because I've got a surprise for you guys. One, you get to hear me sing and play the guitar. And two, you get to listen to one of the most talented singers probably in the world, Jennifer Page, sing a little bit, kind of like tease you a little bit on this episode. But also, we do a little duet and sing a song. And there's a video over on the show notes at lewishouse.com if you want to watch it,

a little one or two minute clip of me attempting to accompany Jennifer with her singing a Sheryl Crow song. And I sing a little bit in there as well. But if you guys don't know who Jennifer Page is, she is the one who co-wrote and sang this huge hit song back in the day called Crush, which I'll cue the music right

now. Yeah, that's right. That song. I don't know if you guys remember that song, but it was a huge hit. It was like number one on the charts for weeks and weeks and weeks. I think I was like making out to my girlfriend at that song. And it was just like a fun summer type of a song that was a huge hit all over the world. And Jennifer actually reached out to me on Twitter a few months ago. And we connected, became friends. She came out to LA.

We recorded in the studio and she's got a lot of cool things that she's been doing. She did that song years ago and has been writing, has come out with another record that's been a big hit globally. She's done a lot of touring. She's done commercial work. She's done lots of different stuff. And she's coming on to talk about her journey to the top and what it's like for an artist today on how to get discovered or create your own business from your talent and your music. So I'm excited to bring her on and let her discuss this journey with you. And let's dive in and connect with the one and only Jennifer Page. Never look, never look back to the promise broken, but can't help wondering. And welcome back, everyone, to the School of Greatest. I'm super excited today because I've got a new friend who's in my studio, the School of Greatest studio in Los Angeles.

Her name is Jennifer Page. What is up, Jen? What's up? Do people call you Jennifer? Yeah, that's what they call me. Or Jenny? Both. Both. J Jenny? Both. Both. Juh.

J. I go by whatever people call me, but Jen is usually what people call me. Okay. And Jennifer lived in LA for what? Six years? You used to live here? Like nine years. Nine years.

Yeah. And now you live in Nashville. I do. And it's like, wait, has it been 20 years? No, it hasn't been 20. It's been 15 years, right? Since this 15-year anniversary this year? Yeah.

Something like that. Yeah. I can't break it down exactly. Okay. Yeah. It's been quite a long time. 15 years ago. Is that?

Wow. Stop making me feel bad. So Jennifer is a superstar and had a hit song that was like a hit for like a year long was number one in the charts forever it's called crush but uh i remember this we were just having lunch uh down the street and i told jennifer that i probably like made out to this song a bunch of times with my girlfriend really really happy inside i'm glad that I can bring about love into the world. Exactly. So I'm excited to talk to Jennifer Jenny J. today because I think she's got a really interesting story and journey. And she was this huge superstar 15 years ago with this big hit single, Crush.

Right? It was number one for how many weeks? Do you even know? Like 10 weeks or something? I really don't know because really at that time I was pretty much traveling all over the world and i wasn't really focused on that sort of thing sure but it was a hit for like the whole summer or something yeah and you were 19 yep and how are you discovered i know that's the question that everyone asks back in the day at least anyways right it's like how are you discovered totally um well i i'm i was in las vegas performing i'd

i'd been on the road with this cover band. And I was super young, right out of high school, went on the road with this band. My parents were dying, of course. And I wound up in Vegas at Bally's, the hotel Bally's. And I lived there for six weeks at a time. And then would go to all these other places, but then would always come back to Bally's. And so it was like my home away from home. And, uh, and one time I was there and performing in this, um, this actress, Crystal Bernard, she was on that show wings and she was on a show called it's a living. And, um,

I love that show. Like I was obsessed. She was Southern. So I kind of felt this little kindred spirit, you know? And, um, she saw me sing and she was like, okay, next time you come to LA, you've got to give me a call, you know, definitely. And I was like, I'd never been to LA, you know? So I was like, definitely, I will definitely call you. And then I remember running up to my room and jumping on the bed cause I was so excited. And, um, and she was such a star, you know, so biggest star I'd really met and had given me attention like that. And you were what, like 16, 17? No, I was like 18. I think I was 18.

So anyway, I was so excited. And I did. I took her up on it. And I had never been to L.A., but I called her and I said I was like praying that she would remember me. But like a couple weeks later, and I was like, oh, I'm coming to L.A. again next week or like a month or whatever. Like, oh, I'm coming to LA again next week or a month or whatever. And so she basically, when I got there, she hired me to sing some demos and stuff like that. And we became fast friends. And then basically I stayed.

In LA? Yeah, I never went back to my gig. That was it. And that was the start. And she ended up introducing me to the producer who I ended up working with on Crush and my first record. I was hired as a demo singer. I was good at singing demos at the time because I've been cover bands. So I've gotten really good at emulating famous people's voices, which is exactly what you need to do because they would be like, Hey, sing this like Katy Perry or whoever it was at the time. Whitney Houston. Yeah. Sing it like Whitney Houston or whoever.

And so I, um, I, I started kind of getting known as a demo singer around town. And then I started meeting like really great big songwriters who had had huge hits and stuff. And so I was in this circle of really, you know,

great talented people at 18, 19. Yeah. So a demo. So it, you know, educate me on the music world. people. At 18, 19. Yeah, that's how it happens. So a demo, educate me on the music world. So a demo singer, you would sing, someone else would write the song, you would sing on it, and then they would give that to the artist and say, this is your next song. Exactly.

Yeah. Because most songwriters aren't great singers. They just can really write great songs. And so when they sing it, it's not really, you know. It doesn't inspire the artist to be like, I can hear myself great songs. And so when they sing it, it's not really, you know, it doesn't like inspire the artist to be like, I can hear myself singing this, but when they've got a great voice on their lyrics and it's like, wow, this is inspiring and I can get into it. Then they're like, I want that song.

Totally. Yeah. So these writers would hire you or the production houses would hire you. The writers. Yep. And what would that be like? What would that pay be like? Like 200 bucks

that's it just to sing on it record it for an hour or two and yeah you do your backgrounds and done yeah you're done and you take your money and you go and you never hear about it like did it did it get recorded did it not you you never really know and wow so did you ever do a song a demo and then it was like on the radio in a few months? No, I didn't because I actually wasn't doing demos that long. I think I did it about a year, and then I got signed. Wow. So it was really fast for me. I got a really huge opportunity very early on.

I remember everybody saying, this just doesn't really happen. Usually people don't move to L.A. and then get a know, get a hit and then start touring and all that stuff. But it really was so super, super fast for me. So if you wanted to have been in Vegas, none of this would ever happen. Right. Cause I, I, I had dreamed of being like, you know, a recording artist and making records, being on stage.

I remember imagining myself on stage in front of like huge audiences when I was a little kid, but I never really knew how to do that. So I never knew, oh, you should move to L.A. or New York, and you should try and get a demo tape to the big executive or manager or whatever. I just didn't know anybody who had done that, or I didn't know who to ask. Now, were your parents kind of managing you at the time or what happened? I mean, I moved here alone and Crystal was the only person that I knew.

So it was crazy. My poor parents. Where were you living when you're here? I lived in Studio City. Okay. Yeah. Actually, the first place I moved to was on Ventura Boulevard and right off of literally walk, like I could just walk around the corner to Ventura Boulevard.

And I remember being like so lonely. I would like walk up and down Ventura Boulevard and just be like, what do I do now? It was crazy. You know, it's amazing. I didn't get into like crazy trouble or something like that. But I just, you know, I just started working super fast. So it was crazy times. Wow.

Okay. So you got signed quickly after, how'd you get signed? I got signed because, um, my, the guy that I was working with came to see me perform in the cover band. That was kind of how I was paying for my living was I still, uh, I found another cover band to, to sing in. And it was like the hot cover band of all cover bands. Like we would play all the like Hollywood parties and, you know, so I got this taste of like the fine life and like all these celebrities and all this stuff. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is incredible.

Um, so how'd you get that? I mean, how'd you even get on the band? There was something called creative loafing. I don't know if it's still around or what, but like, um, or maybe it was the music connection. It was one of those. And I put, um, I was reading it one day and there was like ad for a singer, you know? Yeah. And I just, I just called them and then I met up with a guy and then I kind of like auditioned, you know, like basically just got and sat down at a piano and started

singing. Do you play piano too? Yeah, I play piano. So you played and sang. Yeah. And then I was just like, you know, what do you think? And he said, all right, you're cool. Let's do this. So that was it. There was no, we'll call you back. He was like, okay, you think? And he said, all right, cool. Let's do this. That was it. It was it. There was no we'll call you back. He was like, OK, you've got the chops. Yeah, basically. And he didn't sign me up for all their gigs.

He just kind of tried me out. He come check out this first gig. Yeah, I think he had me come sit in. And there was another female singer at the time. So I just got up and sang a few songs. And then slowly, after maybe a week of popping up there and singing a song or something. Then I started getting my own gigs, you know, then he hired me for my like, oh, I was the singer then. He was like, OK, you're legit.

Yeah, pretty much. So he tested me out. But I mean, that was that was cool. Like I really got comfortable on stage and stuff like that. So it's pretty invaluable, all that timing. And what were your favorite cover songs to sing back then? I used to love to sing Sheryl Crow's All I Want to Do. Oh, my God.

I loved that song because the – It's half song, half – Yeah, it was just like the way she sings that song too, the rhythm she used in the verses were were really off beat i know that's kind of but it was so fun to like learn it and learn her the way the cadence she used it was really like super artistic for a pop song now i am completely you know i would say i'm average educated with music and my siblings and my parents are you you know, freaks of nature when it comes to music.

But, um, I would say that that song and crush, there's some similarities, isn't there? That's a good, that's a good, I like that. Are there some similar, I mean, was that kind of influenced in the song? I don't know. How you sing it? I don't know. Like it was, I was definitely listening to a lot of her music at the time. I can't say you never really know.

Like I know everybody always asks you, who are your influences? But like, I don't think you really know because you're listening to so much music and whatever. It's like, yeah, you morph into whatever. So I was listening to a lot of Mariah Carey at the time, Sheryl Crow, Fiona Apple, Alanis Morissette. It was just a little bit of everything really. Right. Interesting. Okay.

So you started doing your own gigs with this cover band. Yep. And then what happened? So you're doing around L.A. or you're doing celebrity parties? Yep. All that stuff. And then some label people came because I sang this version of Chain of Fools. What's that song?

Chain of Fools is Aretha Franklin's. How does it go? Chain, chain, chain. Oh, okay. You know that one? It's like a classic. And I was doing that song, and they were like, hey, we should do a remix of this song. So this guy, Muhammad Murata, he was this awesome DJ on Groove.

I forget the name of the station, but it was an LA station and he just did for free. He just did this or originally it was for free. Um, he did this cool remake. I did this really basic, um, like track voice, you know, of chain of fools. And, um, and then he took the vocal and created a remix around it. And it was really, really cool. Like I loved it. I totally loved it. I was like, Oh my God, I cannot believe he did that. You know, how did he do that?

But it was so, so cool. And it started kind of going up the charts and there was nothing behind it really. And people started going like, who is this chick? Like what is going on? You know? So that's really how I got my start. Then Adel, the record company that signed me originally, um, is a German company and they saw this thing kind of popping out of nowhere.

And then they flew to, they, they were opening up a company in New York and they flew to California to, to meet with me and stuff. So that's really how it happened. Then, you know, we,

we got a little bit of a budget to go finish a little 10, 20 grand or something. Yeah. Yeah. I think I got my signing bonus was like $22,000. That's not bad for a 19 year old. You're rich. I felt rich. I felt so rich. I felt like I was like, wow, like this money will never run out. I think my rent was like $600 a month. Wow. It was awesome. Okay. So man, this happened so fast then you're just like singing just to have fun and just to make some money to live here.

Yeah, pretty much. I mean, I did have these big ambitions, but I never really knew exactly. I remember I was always pretty resourceful. So I did go make my own demo tape. And what I did was I sang cover songs of Celine Dion and Mariah Carey, I think, was one. And maybe, I forget who. Well, I think Melissa Etheridge was one. Because I was trying to show versatility.

Sure. So I was doing very— You could do everything. Yeah, I could do everything. And just hire me, please, for your demo singer because I need to pay my $600 rent. Right. So I did that early on when I first moved here. And then anytime I would meet a new songwriter,

then I would give it to them. And I would say, please pass this to somebody or whatever. So I think I knew to do that at least. That's pretty good. So you were hustling. You were doing a little personal branding and getting yourself out there. Yeah, a little bit.

Interesting. Yeah. OK. So all this happened in basically like a year. You're doing a couple of gigs with this cover band and then you do this song. What is it called? Chain of Fools.

Chain of Fools. You're in so much trouble for not knowing that song. I mean, I know when you sing it. Okay. I understand. I've heard it a bunch. I just don't know the name. Okay.

And then you get signed and you get this budget and you get the signing bonus and then what happens next? And then this budget you get the signing bonus and then what happens next and that was and then crush comes out right pretty much yeah this is insane so it's like in a year or two i just feel like it was kind of meant to be because it just was like it just happened you know and um there was nothing i could i could have really forced to me i was just so naive you know sure i didn't know and um, um, it's like, yeah, let's do it. Sure. Let's do this. Awesome. Let's go. So, uh, so yeah, so I, um, I recorded the record with the budget and then,

you know, we had more of a budget to actually make the record. Um, but that was like my living money. And like a really funny story is when I signed my record, um, I had this little LeBaron convertible that I'd bought when I moved out to California and it was just like this clunker really, but I loved it cause it was convertible and it was cute to me. But anyway, I got stuck. We went to this like really nice restaurant for my signing, but like for the like celebration of me signing my record deal with Adel and then Hollywood records came in later and they were part of this too at this time. And, um, I pulled up to valet and my, my car quit in the valet line in front of everybody.

And it was one of those where you couldn't like the whole line was right off of, I think it was like sunset Boulevard or something. It was totally packed. And I was the like awful person where my car stalled and they had to like move it. They had to push it. Oh, no way.

I was devastated. Oh, my God. But the great thing is then they gave me $10,000 more to go buy a car. No way. Yeah. Perfect.

So it actually was really good. That's awesome. Yeah. It was so funny. So embarrassing. Oh, my gosh. So off. Okay.

So you get the siding motors, everything happens and then what's the deal? Do they write these songs for you? Are you writing songs So embarrassing. Oh, my gosh. Okay. So you get the siding letters. Everything happens. And then what's the deal? Do they write these songs for you? Are you writing songs and then saying, hey, this is what I want on my record? It was like a little bit of both. At that time, I wasn't like – now I write a lot. I write for myself.

I write for other artists and stuff. I write for different types of things like pop songs and commercials and different kinds of stuff. But back then I was really scared to share my stuff that I'd written with people. I was really, I just felt like it wasn't like I was surrounded by all these hit writers and I didn't really know what was good or what was, was mine as good as theirs or my idea is stupid or no, I just didn't have the confidence. Did you have enough experience? Or my idea is stupid. Or, you know, I just didn't have the confidence. Did you have enough experience?

Yeah. Did I know? Like, I don't really know. Like, maybe they know. So anyway, I basically, on the first record, I think I wrote like three of the songs. Okay. And the rest were other people's songs. But then my next record was like mostly songs written by me. And then my last couple records are all songs written by me, basically.

Okay. So the record comes out. How long did it take to finish? I mean, like seven months, something like that. Seven months to write all the songs, to record it all, and just kind of like get it ready. Yeah. And so what happens then, or what happened, I guess, then? Was it like we release a single first, then that promotes the whole album or what's what

happens well usually um a big label you know will like promote their artists you know a few months ahead of time you'll set them up at like south by southwest or you know you'll go and you'll definitely want to create the buzz yeah but there was none of that there was none of that it was just basically like this um the the producer that I was working with took in the, um, crush when we had had it mixed and everybody was like in our little tiny team of three people, you know,

they were, we were like, this sounds like a hit, you know? And, uh, so we, we took it to this,

this lady who was pretty high up in the industry. And then she took it to, um, kiss FM LA. And, um, they started playing it immediately. Really? to this lady who was pretty high up in the industry, and then she took it to Kiss FM LA, and they started playing it immediately. Really? They tested it. They did like, hey, you know that like fly or die or whatever it is, those things where they play like a couple songs and listeners basically rate it.

Do they like it? Do they hate it? Thumbs up, thumbs down, whatever. Well, it just kept winning these battles. Wow. And I was like, every night my song would be the winner of the battle. So that's a huge station to get noticed by. I mean, in the, like one of the biggest in the world, basically like, so, um, that they really broke me.

And, and so it just was literally that easy. It was crazy. So I just remember being like on the radio and be like, oh my gosh, like I'm on the radio. Wow. It was crazy. So I just remember being like on the radio and be like, Oh my gosh, like I'm on the radio. Wow. It was nuts. And you're like, you didn't feel like it was a struggle because it happened so young. Yeah. I mean, fell into place pretty much. I mean, once I moved to California, it happened really quickly. Um, but before that, like I had, you know, I'd been on the road for, you know, a few years by then doing. Yeah, doing cover stuff. I had really toured the country. When you were 16?

Yeah, like 17. Wow. Right after high school, I started touring. And it just happened so quickly. I mean, I'd already performed at an Olympics. What? I'd done a lot of stuff in 96. Oh, my gosh.

Because it was Atlanta. What did you do? And that's where I'm from. Oh, my gosh. Did you do an anthem or something? I did. I was in the Joe's band, the cover band,

you know, that I told you about. That band was chosen, the one that did all the Hollywood parties and stuff. That band was chosen to be, you know, the band for the Olympics. So we did that party

and I mean, I'd done some really cool stuff by the time I got a deal. I just feel like I had really good, like, instincts and luck. Wow. It's kind of crazy.

That's incredible. It was funny. So what were you doing before all this? Always singing. Always, when you were a kid? Yeah. Me and my brother both are singers, and he's still a professional musician to this day. He does a lot of choir work, so he'll hire like the best singers in Nashville basically to come and, and sing like whatever work is,

you know, and he'll arrange the vocals and stuff like that. So he's, he's very talented. He's an amazing singer himself. So, um, we,

we work together a lot actually, and he's producer as well. So anyway, young days we, we'd sing duets together and we were those geeky kids, you know, who, you know,

just, just were the local, you know, just, just were the local, you know, whatever my, my dad was a contractor. So he, um, he would build a shopping center, like a local shopping center. And then on opening day, he would like ask the owner of the shopping center, if it would be okay, if we were the entertainment for the opening day. So we started getting familiar with just being on stage at like, I think I was like nine or so when I started being on, on stage. And, uh, it was just like, people be like, Oh, they're so cute. You know, it was just like, we weren't good. We were just like cute kids basically, but we thought we were good, you know? And we thought it was like a big deal and people

took us really seriously. And my dad had us do like Tony Robbins, like whatever that ultimate power or something like that as a family. I remember like, what are your biggest dreams? I'm like, I want to be, I don't know. Like I remember like choose choosing a producer that had, I'd seen on somebody's album credits and I was like, I want to work with so-and-so, you know, and stuff like that. And you did it. I did. I'm not not him exactly but i did go to dinner with him once so stuff like that you know just like we and then we went to a performing arts high school both of us and then we went to like these college classes and in the summers that were like for college kids but we were accepted into this program called governor's honor so i feel like i got a lot of

like training training early on yeah because that performing arts school was like intense. It was good. Now, this is crazy. Okay. So when did you know that you actually had some good talent then? Because you were nine and you're like, we thought we were good, but we weren't. But what age did you realize, whoa, people are actually responding where they're kind of blown away or really inspired?

I think when I was a junior in high school, because it was a performing arts school, there was a lot of talent around. Everyone was good. Everybody was good, especially the seniors. I was a junior, but all the seniors were really good. It was a great class of people. And so I was the younger one, the younger one, right. That was like

coming up behind them, you know? And then I started like, um, auditioning for all these, these things. And then I started kind of getting them, you know? So it's like something happened that junior year where I started winning everything, you know, winning any competition I was in or getting noticed or getting chosen for that governor's honors thing. And so I started being like, okay, now I think I must be good because people keep asking me to do this. Do you just sing all day or what was it like back then? I remember my dad and mom being like, shut up.

From downstairs I'd be up and I'd just be obsessing over other singers, like vocal licks or just tone. I was really into like trying to emulate things not because i wanted to be them but i just wanted to be able to do stuff with my voice that i wasn't able to do so so give an example can you like show an example of how you would practice this or train or like you were going to emulate whitney houston versus another popular singer back then like what would you do? Like I think it was just like a really like a technical thing that maybe people wouldn't find interesting.

I don't know. But like. I'd be interested. Okay, perfect. All right. Then we'll do it. We'll do it. So like for instance, at the time it was Mariah Carey, you know, and she was doing like Vision of Love.

You know, that's this amazing song. And then there was another song on that vanishing and vanishing was really soulful. And, uh, and it was really like bluesy almost. And being from the South, like I just really responded to that sound. And I, I mean, I'm a white chick, you know, I can only do so much, right. I'm thinking, I'm thinking, you know, so I was just like, okay, I can do this. I can do this. And I was like, uh, you're vanishing. So, okay. Like, instead of being like

vanishing, I would be like, she, those little, little, little things, you know, I would just be like, okay. And I would try and do exactly the timing that she would do. And so like, if I wasn't exactly with her, then I would just do it until I could do it. You know? So I didn't know that I was like trying to, um, like hone my skills, but I was doing it cause it was fun to me. I wasn't like super serious. I just, I just wanted to match it.

I just was like, I can do this. And then especially like high notes, um, I really wanted to be able to hit high notes, you know, and I, I, that would be something that I was struggling with, you know? So like,

that's when my parents would be like, shut up, you know? Cause I would be, I would sing a high note over and over and over and over again until I could do it, you know? So this stuff is fascinating.

It's probably fascinating cause I can't do it. You know, like half is a lot of it's practice. And I didn't even know I was practicing. Sure. But I was just so drawn to it that I, that was fun to me. So like when everybody was like going to like, you know, pool parties and stuff like that as a kid, I just was like more interested in like learning to sing and being in contests and stuff like that. That's cool. Yeah. I mean, I did some of that stuff, but I wasn't like every weekend doing stuff like that. Would you have,

uh, you know, if you were 16 again and American Idol was on, yeah. Would you have auditioned for it? I'm sure I would have. Yeah. I'm sure I would have.

Or the X factor or whatever, you know, the voice. Yep. I'm sure I would have. Yeah. Cause I mean, as a kid,

you don't know what to do and you think like, somebody's got answers. I'm going there, you know? So I, I mean, as a kid, you don't know what to do and you think like, somebody's got answers. I'm going there, you know? So I, I mean, I would, you know,

I would, yeah, definitely. What do you think of those, those shows, those competitions? I think, um,

they're great. And in the aspect that it's, it's like overnight exposure and like you can go from zero fans to like millions of fans. Um, but they pay such a high price really because they're, you know, basically they're walking in with a contract that they kind of have to sign

that they can't get signed. This is your contract. If you win, here's the contract. Yeah. It's like if you want to be on this show, here's the contract, sign it.

Wow. You can't really negotiate unless you have some kind of leverage, which most people don't like. you know negotiate unless you have some kind of leverage, which most people don't like. Unless they really, really want you, everybody gets the same contract. And they're intense contracts. Do you know what they are or have you heard of them? I don't know if they're different for everybody, but I just know that they're like 360 deals, which is like they get a portion of your merchandising, your touring, and this goes for a long, long, long period of time.

So, you know, they pay a really high price. So it's like if they can do it on their own, it's always better, you know, to do that because then you're going to see more. But it's really a toss up. Like, you know, it's just what makes the most sense for that person and if they could do it on their own or not. Right. Okay. Yeah. Well, unfortunately, that's not what you did. Well, I guess fortunately, that's not what makes the most sense for that person and if they could do it on their own or not. Right. Okay. Well, unfortunately, that's not what you did.

Well, I guess fortunately, that's not what you did. You got signed and then you became a huge star basically overnight, I guess you could call it, when this record went out. And Crush was like number one that whole summer or whenever it was. And what was that like then? You were touring. I was touring the world really. Yeah. Were you like instant celebrity then when you came back to the States,

the people know you and like you're on every radio station, everyone wanted to get a piece of you. I was doing like, uh, you know, 14 interviews a day and, you know, getting up at like five 30 in the morning for makeup and television,

the early morning show and, you know, going to bed after like a late dinner with like all the people early morning show and, you know, going to bed after like a late dinner with like all the people that I needed to, you know, rebel. What is, what do they say? That's the strangest. I never thought about how weird that phrase is. Um, yeah, like I had to do all those meet and greets and all that stuff. So just be like a daily, it was a machine. How long did that last for? Years. Years?

Yeah. Really? Insane. Yeah. And then you kind of do it again when you go to promote your second record, which was for me, it was in 2001. You just get up and you do it again, basically. And you hope that it goes as well as your original does. It's always like, no matter what level of success you have, I feel like everybody is always know, is always like hoping that they can reach that success. Yeah. So, okay.

So crush was number one for however many weeks. Well, I'll do the research and figure it out. But, um, did you ever have another song that hit number one? No, I, I never had a number one. I had some top fives, um, and I had some hits, but especially around the world, not really in America. Unfortunately, my second record was released the week of September 11th. No way.

Yeah, it was just terrible timing. I mean, music really was on hold in the song that I was releasing as the single was all about these days, everything's wonderful and Oh, man. Everything's awesome. No one wanted to hear that song. Oh, no. I didn't even want to sing it. I was embarrassed to promote it because it just felt so inappropriate. And yeah, it pretty much just came and went in America.

But fortunately for me, I got to go overseas and do some tours and stuff like that. So the life of the record was extended through, you know, the world basically. Um, and there was a song called stranded that became a big hit as well. All around the world. Yeah.

Yeah. And we talked before during lunch, like, you know, Italy is probably the place you're most well known, right? I mean, that's,

I, it's hard for me to know, to be honest, but I, um, I love being in Italy and I love the people there. And I always like receiving major, yeah,

like a huge, warm welcome. It's got to feel nice. Yes. That's the best country in the world to be loved. I just want to go there as often as possible. That's incredible. Okay.

So it's been 15 years about, right? Yep. Is that what it's been? What was it? 1990? Eight. Okay. It was released in some Yep. What was it, 1998?

In some places it was released in 99. It's called 15 Years. Now, some would say that you had your big success your first time around, right? Yeah. Some would say I came and went. Based on results, what you've created, how we view things as being successful. Yeah. You had a number one when you first came out and in 15 years you haven't had a number one. Right. Yeah. How does that make you feel? Well, I think I used to get my feelings heard. I used to be like, I'm not a one hit wonder, but you guys are crazy. Like

I have toured this world and I have had other hits and whatever. But then one day I just woke up and I was like, that's ridiculous. I actually have been successfully living as a musician, as a performer, as an artist. I mean, I've done so many cool things. I've performed for the Pope. I, in the first MTV show in China and it was like the, the first rose, it was their first like, um, thing that their first show that wasn't controlled by the government. So it was like a big deal, right?

And the first few rows was all military. And they told me if I like said anything inappropriate or wore anything inappropriate, I would go to jail. Yeah. So like stuff like that, I've, I've experienced so much as a singer. My, my singing has taken me so many cool places. And I mean, this has been throughout my career. It's not, you know, I went to Russia a couple of years ago. It wasn't just the first couple of years. Yeah. So it's like really just that people don't know, you know, and they don't know that I've gone and done some really cool things all around the world. But in America, I have, I've really not done as many things as, um, as around the world, to be honest. But, um, but I've done a lot of cool things in

America that people don't know about. Like, you know, I've written songs for commercial campaigns and, um, you know, I, I co-wrote a song with Smash Mouth recently for their single. And, um, you know, I, I co-wrote a song with smash mouth recently for their single. And, um, you know, I've just gotten to do, I've written songs with a lot of up and coming artists that should be coming out within the next year or so. So, you know, just like really cool stuff like that, that I'm, I'm proud, you know, that I've been able to do that. And, and, and it hit me at one point too, like why in the world would I ever feel bad about like doing something that most people could never have never done. And like, too, like, why in the world would I ever feel bad about doing something that most people have never done? And it's like, you only got one gold medal?

Like, what a loser. Yeah, right. And I was like, what? What is happening? I just stopped subscribing to that thought. Interesting. Now, when did you stop subscribing to that? I think because I got to-

How old were you? I think I was like 28, 28, you know, by that time, 10 years in the business, like you get beaten down pretty good. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. And, uh, you know, you just have to keep motivating yourself and knowing, you know, finding that inner strength to, to keep going and to keep it fun and that sort of thing. And, and at a certain point it wasn't fun. I felt like my managers weren't great. I didn't have the support that I needed. I felt very alone in the business.

And I didn't know if I really had any true believers. I just was like, man, this sucks. And I just was like, do I even want to do this anymore? I really hit that rock bottom where I was just like, I've done a lot of really cool things. Maybe I just pack my bags and go and do something cool, something else. But it's like the second that you do that, then that really cool thing around the corner happens. And you're like, all right, well, I guess I'm meant to do this. I'm meant to do this. You know?

So I would always find my, what myself sucked back in, whether it be like a, you know, a song got placed in, you know, Laguna beach or, you know,

a show that I, or a movie or something that I would just be like, well, that was awesome. You know? And, and it's just like, always kept me going,

you know, right when, right when my fire was like about to, yeah, about to die. Yeah. I was just like, all right,

well, cool. I still got it. Right. You know? And so this was like the last, you know, handful of years you were kind of out of it, right? You were kind of like, I lost your drive or your passion as much, right? Yeah, yeah, totally.

I actually lost my parents in 2008. Oh, my gosh. In 2008, my mom had been having some lung issues, and she passed away in January of 2008. And my mom and dad were together, you know, like really, really awesome couple. And then two weeks later, my dad passed away. Oh my God. He had a heart attack. No way. Yeah. It was terrible. It was really, really terrible. And so, um, we just like my brother and I just totally struggled, you know, and, and that's about when I just, I just really lost the will to

fight. You know what I mean? My fight was low already. I felt like I was saying, like, I, I started feeling very alone in the business and like, who cares, you know, does anybody care? And, uh, like I just, I, I had always had like such a will and such a strong drive and, um, passion and, you know, fight um passion and you know fight and and that fight was just gone like i just didn't have an enemy so you know i just got really down and and i did have a deal at the time with a company called glore um a german company and i had one record deal with them and um so i i did a lot of like traveling and touring. It was good, like distraction almost made, made a record with them, but my heart was just broken, you know? And, and then like two years later, that huge flood in Nashville happened. I don't know if

people know about that here, but like, um, or anywhere, but, um, you know, this huge flood happened and people's homes were like destroyed. And my parents' home, my dad was a builder. He was a contractor. And he had built like parts of the home. And it was destroyed. Like it was just like, and I just felt like, man, I mean, I was just starting to. And then we had to like rebuild this home and all this stuff. There was a lot to deal with around that.

And then like, yeah, yeah, it just like, I just was like exhausted. So I think that was like almost like a, um, a time where I really found myself in a different way. And I found my fight again, you know, like after all that, I was just like, dang, if I can get through all of this, like I can, you know, in a couple of years, right? Yeah. Was it 2010 when the flood happened? Yep. 2010. And then are you ready for this? Bring it. Then I got melanoma cancer. Hmm. And explain what that is. It's like, it's, it's like, it looks like a sunspot basically. And, um, and I had a little spot on my cheek on my, like right on my right cheek. And, uh, and I, I was like, what is this? I went to a dermatologist and they put some kind

of chemical on it and it went away for a minute. And then I went back like six months later and it had come back. And then I guess that's a bad sign. And so I had to have surgery twice. Wow. And it was just like, what the heck is going on? So it was just like, bam, bam, bam. But I think Wow. I found my fight again. I have a stronger will to live than I ever have after seeing my parents pass away, having that brush with death myself. And now I'm just like, man, I just want to do what makes me happy, and that's what it's about. So I'm not going to do anything that I don't want to do. I don't really care what anybody thinks. I used to care a lot.

I don't care at all. Not in a bratty way. This is like we have one life, basically. If your heart calls you to do something, it's important to do it. So I think I never really thought about it like that because my early days were so spontaneous and I was so led in a way. Sure. And now it's just a different thing.

Now I'm like, what do I want to do? Like, what do I really want to do? What is that? It's cool. What do you want to do? So I want to do a million things. Like always, I've always wanted to do a million things, but, um, I have a lot of really cool projects in the works that I'm super excited about. And they're just like little departures from what I've always done. And they're like little growth spurts for me. Like for instance, over the last several years, you know, like I said, I've placed a bunch of music and film and television and commercials and stuff like that. Yeah, totally.

And it's just like its own, it's, it's its own thing. I released a record on my own, I took it to radio. So like I've had a major deal, I've had an indie deal and I've released a record on my own. You know what I mean? So I feel like I've learned what is it like to do that? What's it like to do that? What's it like to do that? And so I've learned little bits and pieces along the way that now I'm really inspired to create a place where singers can come and they don't have maybe a friend of the family

or something like that where they can say like, what do I do? How do I make it? How do I get a song in my favorite television show? What do I do to get a song in an ad campaign? Like what if I don't know anybody? What if I live in Timbuktu? Like what if, you know, there's no chance for me or whatever. You know, I just want, because I remember that feeling of not knowing what to do and it stinks, you know.

So I just really want, it's the first time in history. I feel like where artists have distribution on their own because through tune core and iTunes and YouTube and all these, these things that are fingertips for free, if you know how to navigate it well, then like opportunities galore basically. But there's a lot of people out there doing it wrong and they're basically wasting their time and it and it sucks because they're spending a lot of

time or a lot of money and they really don't know how to to get it to people you know just like maybe they've got like 30 you know 30 plays on their youtube channel and you know it's like their family and friends or whatever you know or they to beg everyone, please like my page or whatever. And just there's a lot more ways that they can – they don't have to struggle quite as much. And you've learned a lot of how to do it all through like trial and error and figuring it out yourself. Yeah, exactly, where I'll be interviewing artists and people who have had really big careers and people who are just great for just incredible teachers for young artists or artists of any age, really, who still have the desire to crush it.

There you go. And when is it going to come out? When are you going to start this? Soon. Soon, right? Okay, cool. Well, I'll link it up on the show notes whenever you launch it so people will have a link for it.

Perfect. Thank you. That's cool. What do you think of the Breakthrough Artist? I think it's cool. That's what it's called. Okay. Good.

I'm glad you like it. I think it's cool. Awesome. Good. What if I didn't like it? That would have sucked. You would have just been like, wah, wah.

You would have killed my dreams. Way to go. Breakthrough Artist. I like that. No, it's good. Cool. But you don't care what anyone thinks anyway. That's true.

Good point. I do. I said not in a bratty way. Not in a bratty way. Sure, sure, sure. I mean, it's interesting because there's so many artists that are making multiple six figures who are kind of like indie artists, I guess, or just local artists and haven't really hit a major scene.

Yep. But they're finding ways to market themselves specifically online and, uh, capture their a thousand true fans or whatever to buy tickets, buy merchandise, buy their songs. Those are the people that I want to interview. Also even bigger stars.

Yeah. I mean, he's obviously gone like completely, you know, crazy worldwide. That's a different, a different level but um i think it's going to be really cool to speak to people who yeah who have like a

indie following and and there are really different ways to approach the industry if you want to be a big pop star you want to approach it this way if you want to go indie and tour and you want to approach it that way you know so stuff like that i just want to like pull the nuggets from those people who are doing it well right and hopefully people will learn and without making the same mistakes because artists always make the same mistakes for generations we're making the same mistakes and it's so silly you know giving your rights away and all that stuff like you just don't have to do it we don't have to keep doing that now right right i've got a guy maybe you want to interview he's not as well known as you but his

name is randy williams okay he it's interesting he uh has like this this van that he bought that runs on like oil like uh kitchen oil yeah like from you know like i'll go to a restaurant and get their oil so willie nelson of him and'll freaking, he'll fuel his whole tour from like kitchen stops. That's amazing. Getting these bags of like vegetable oil. I think that's awesome. And then he's got his whole merch thing set up in his van. In his like van.

He's got a bed that folds out. Yeah. Everything. It's incredible. That is crazy. And he's got like tour gigs set up all the time. And he's like friends with the people at these places. So he always goes back every year.

So it's like if that's the life that you want and you're like, he was like friends with the people at these places. So he always goes back every year. So it's like, if that's the life that you want and you're like, I just want to tour no matter what that, and that's what you, you just want the experience of it. That's the way to go. But if you don't want to get in a van and go across, you know,

there's probably a different, there's other ways. There's other ways. Yeah. There's multiple ways to make money and get your music out there and be heard and be, and be found. So, yeah. And that's what you multiple ways to make money and get your music out there and be heard and be found. So,

yeah. And that's what you're going to be showing people. Basically all the different ways and how to do it. Different approaches. I love it. I love it. Thanks. So besides that,

what else is up for you? And what are you really, I don't know. What are you really excited about creating? I'm working on a new EP right now. That's really fun. Um, I'm excited about that just because, like I said,

the last several years have just been like, whoa. Heavy. I'm just enjoying creating music. So that's a big thing. And I'm doing some guest vocal kind of things. I just did a thing with York, the band York. There's a song called Lost Under the sun that I just did. Um,

and it did really well in the trance, um, world, the house trance world. So fun. Like I'm just really into doing that song. Yeah. I bet you'd like it.

It's called lost under the sun, lost in the sun. Yeah. And, um, it's, it's, uh,

York featuring Jennifer page, but there's, um, there's a couple different remixes of it and, uh, have a favorite. Um, I'll know when I see,

but there are like several different versions. So are you doing more of that? Cause I mean, it seems like the big, the big hit right now is the house trans scene, right? I'm in, I'm totally into that.

You are. I mean, here's what I like. The coolest house or trans songs. I don't even know like the differences between them, but the coolest ones for me are what I call the crazy high girl voices. Yeah. Where you got some crazy high girl voice singing in the background, belting it out.

You don't even know what she's singing, but it's like, this is epic. Right. Totally. I think you'd be great at that. Thank you. Thanks. I got that. I got that.

No, I basically don't want to limit myself. I want to... I'm doing those kinds of things with different artists. That stuff's really, really cool. Um, creating my own EP, which is, is super fun. And then like this big project with the podcasting and with the young, you know, younger artists and stuff. And I think it's just, I'm like excited to see where it all leads because it's all, it

feels like a really like a resurgence in a way. So, um, I know it's for something like it feels big for my life. So it's a, it's a cool time for me. It's great. It's really fun. It's a great, uh, part of your journey. Yeah. Huge.

Now, if you could perform with one artist, who would you want to perform with or work with or sing with or whatever? Right now, I'm really into – what's his name? Oh, my gosh. I hope I don't go blank like I usually do when I try and figure out somebody's name. I've been listening to him like all day. Is there a song? Yeah. I don't want to talk about it.

Talk about it. Talk about it. Talk about it. Who's that by? That's what I'm – what is wrong with me? I don't know. But like he's this amazing artist that I'm so, so, so into it. Anyway.

It's not Daniel. No, not Daniel Powder. Let me see. Oh, well. Anyway. Anyways, he's not Daniel. No, not Daniel powder. Let me see. Um, anyway, anyways, he's amazing. And the whole, the whole thing is that he's, he's like, he's kind of like a Bruno Mars, Justin Timberlake, like, but he's edgier and he, he does. And I love, um, I love like Lissy and Ellie Goulding. And like, I mean, that's my kind of music. Right now, I'm just like obsessed with that kind of music.

That's cool. It's like great singers who have really modern sounds. Like the production is really modern, and I love like the beat and all that stuff. So, yeah, I've been really listening to that. That's cool. Anyway, those are the kind of people I'm really into working with right now. Okay. Someone who's not with us anymore, what singer would you love to do a duet with?

Man. I'm thinking of a lot of people right now, but like, I don't know why. Like I just have always loved Johnny Cash. I just, I don't know if it's cause I'm from the South and he's been so built up or what, but like, I,

I like love Johnny Cash music, which is really a, an, a, like a curve ball. I know, but like, um,

I think he would be, maybe I just want to know him. Sure. I think I just want to be friends with him. Okay. I want to be invited for dinner. To a party with him. Yeah.

Okay. Cool. Yeah. What type of advice would you give a young artist who's got passion for singing or playing music? And maybe they're a teenager or about to go into college and they're from a small town. And maybe they're listening right now. And they've got this passion and they're a teenager or about to go into college and they're from a small town. And maybe they're listening right now. And they've got this passion and they're constantly, they listen to the things you talk about when you were growing up and they're like, gosh, that's what I do.

I'm like trying these little melodies and this thing and these techniques. And I don't even know I'm doing it, but I'm just like trying to match this. What, um, you know, what do you tell someone like that? Like, what do you tell them to do for the next step about their journey? Well, for me, if you really break down my journey or other people's journeys who've kind of made it, I think it's about getting as good as you can at what you're doing. Knowing who you are as an artist. I didn't know who I was as an artist, but I kind of knew the beginning of that.

I knew what I wasn't, and I knew what I was and what I could do well. And so I think it's important that they learn how to do that well, do what they do well and not try and be somebody they're not. If you don't want to be a dance artist, I don't know, dress the part, you know, if you want to be a dance artist, go buy some leotards right now today. But like, you know, I don't know. I think it's about getting good at your craft and being as many places as you can be. So like, you know, putting yourself in awkward positions like contests and local shows. And, you know, if you ever hear about like a local event where there's going to be music, people there go, it's always good. And I think the biggest thing that people aren't using is

the internet. I mean, you can tweet people like, how did I meet you? We tweeted Twitter. Yeah. Right. So it's like, it's not like, Hey, please listen to my music and don't spam people with your like link. But like, if you really are interested in somebody and you follow them and you start to get to know a feeling of these people, like you can really reach out to a ton of people that way. And I mean, it doesn't even have to be like creepy. You can be really cool. And,

and they may just happen to like, Hey, that person's cool. Like I'm going to check them out, you know, whatever. You just never know what can happen. So I think it's about becoming really resourceful. That's the biggest deal.

It's funny. You know, when you, I saw your message on Twitter, I can't remember. I think you'd like listen to a podcast. I was like, Oh my gosh,

I just discovered your podcast and I freaking loved it. I think you'd like listen to a podcast. I was like, Oh my gosh, I just discovered your podcast and I freaking loved it. I was like, it was really, really good. I loved it. Yeah. And so I tweeted you that. No,

it was that. Yeah. And I remember, so I was like, who is this person? I've never heard of your name before. It was just like, who's this singer?

Well, I was like, who is this? So I, you know, I, what I usually do if I get a nice compliment, I'm like, all right, all right, who is this person?

What's their website look like? Right, exactly. To know if I know them or something. And I went to your website. And I told you this story already. I went to your website. I go there and there's a video on the page or whatever that says Crush. And so I click it and i was like what is

this like cover song she sounds pretty good i was like pretty good i was like man this is a really high production value cover video i'm like yeah that video cost like half a million dollars i was like man is this the artist i was like dang, dang, I remember this song. And that's how it happened. It was pretty funny for me. I love it. Yeah, that's funny. You're like, wow, she is really taking this cover seriously.

Exactly. I was like, what is going on here? That's awesome. But it was a cool, it was a fun experience. And now we're here. Yeah. We're hanging out. And I think that's how things happen. Yeah.

You just kind of put yourself out on a limb. I mean, you might have thought I was a weirdo, like being like, Hey, I loved your, I don't know, you know, but like someone compliments me. It's, you know, I'll take it. Okay. You'll take it. All right. Good, good, good, good.

And most people, I guess would be that way too. Yeah. Yeah. But sometimes I think as a new artist, like you, you feel like people are going to like be, look down on you. Like, Oh, why would I talk to you? Like, you know how it is. It's like, if you respond to people, you to people who follow you, they're sometimes like, oh my gosh, I can't believe you responded to me.

Right? So you realize people all around the world, we all struggle with that. Yeah. And I would say it's also tough to like – because if you are reaching out to someone who you want to get their attention with, like say there's an artist who wants to connect with you you may get contacted constantly by young artists looking for advice or looking for you to check out their demo or listen to my stuff yeah like you've heard these you know for 15 years right so you i think if you're going to reach out to someone really set yourself up to win by having some talent and backing up what you want them to like check out. Don't just like say, Hey,

we check this out and give me feedback. It's like spam. Yeah. Like be inspiring. Yeah. Like give, show them something that they're like, Whoa,

who is this person? And I want to respond to them. Yeah. As opposed to just like, can you give me advice? I'm starting out totally like research it, YouTube or Google it. Yeah.

I think that's a really good point because a lot of times people are very lazy about how they approach a situation. It's like if they just did their homework, they'd be like a million miles ahead of all the others. So that's really good advice. Yeah. Okay, cool. Well, I could learn about the music business from you all day. But that's why you are launching – what's it called? The Breakthrough Artist?

Yep. The Breakthrough Artist? Yep. The Breakthrough Artist. TBA. TBA. And it'll all be linked up on the show notes over at lewishouse.com. So make sure to check out and subscribe to that podcast if you are an artist

or if you just want to hear Jennifer sing on there or talk about- Interview really cool people too. And interview celebrities and musicians. When you make it as a singer, I'm going to interview you. Me? Okay.

Yeah, when you make it, you are on my podcast. You know what I want to do? Tell me. I want to, I haven't learned the chords to your song, but I want to learn the chords to your song and have you sing like a line.

That'd be fun. Or like the chorus to Crush. Right, let's do it. After this, I'll record it. I'll have my buddy record a video of it, and I'll put it up on the show notes. Awesome. Let's do it.

I'm actually terrified by saying this now because I don't like- Oh, we're doing it. Put myself out there musically. We're record it. I'll have my buddy record a video of it and I'll put it up on the show notes. I'm actually terrified by saying this now because I don't like put my, put myself out there musically. But, uh, yeah. Um, that would be fun. So the show notes,

you'll see that Lewis house.com. And then, um, also the podcast for Jennifer. And I want to ask you the last question, which is what is your definition of greatness? Ooh, that's a good one.

My definition of greatness is probably like, I think it's pretty rare. Actually, greatness is pretty rare. You might have like a great moment and I think like greatness is when like you're really in the flow and everything's coming together and like all you're hitting all the areas, like all at once, you know, you've got your, your family's in check, your business is in check, you know, your friendships and you, you maybe got some money in the bank and like,

you can travel and see the world and meet new people. And like, I don't know, it's like most of the time we're like, you know, we're, we're struggling in one area cause we're focusing maybe on another area so much or whatever. So it's like really hard to find that balance. But like for me, greatness would be like when I'm really like all my areas are in tech and I'm like really, I don't know, like kind of living my idea of like my potential. Like, you know, really reaching and kind of, yeah, like I think it's a peaceful thing. You know, I think when you feel greatness, it's like this peaceful feeling, you know, of like I did it.

You know, I'm doing it. Sure. Yeah. Awesome. I love it. So where can we, where can we connect with you online? Uh, I would say, um, go to Jennifer page.com it's P A I G E. Um, and that's probably the best place because all my like social links and stuff are there. And then also, um,

everybody can download a free song if they go there. Oh snap. Yes. It's a new one too. It's brand new. All right. And it's, I really like it. All right. We'll link up to that as there. Oh, snap. Yes, it's a new one too. It's brand new. All right. And I really like it. All right, we'll link up to that as well. Awesome, perfect. Yeah, check out JenniferPage.com and at JenniferPage on Twitter and Instagram now, right? Yeah, yeah.

Okay, cool. JenniferPageMusic. JenniferPageMusic. Music, yeah. Cool, awesome. Well, I appreciate it. I acknowledge you for being the sweetest guest I've had on here.

Oh, thank you. That's huge. You are an amazing human being. Thank you. Again, we've only connected a little bit. That's really sweet. But you are definitely a gift. Thank you.

That's really sweet. To the world and extremely talented. Thank you. And your heart is enormous. So thank you for everything you've created, the inspiration you've brought to this earth, the fun, the play, the romance, the harmony. I mean, you did make out to my song.

I did make out to it. I guess there is romance. Exactly, exactly. We'll always have that. Yes, we will. But I really appreciate you coming on. Thanks, Jennifer. Thank you so much.

Thanks. All right, all right, all right. I hope you guys enjoyed this one with Jennifer. And make sure to go check out the show notes over at lewishouse.com. to go check out the show notes over at lewishouse.com and watch me sing a little song with Jennifer and let me know what you think. Hopefully I don't embarrass myself too much, but we did like one take and we didn't even practice and Jennifer, you know, didn't know the words. So we're all just trying to figure it out and make it happen and just had fun with it. So check that out. Feel free to share this episode over on Twitter and Facebook and let your friends know about it all over the internet.

Again, there's some quick, easy share buttons that you can post with over at the show notes at lewishouse.com and make sure to check out Jennifer's stuff as well. She's got some new songs coming out. We're going to link it all up in the show notes for you so you can have it all to you and access at your fingertips. I appreciate you guys for listening. It's a pleasure. It's an honor. It's a privilege to be in your ears each and every week and introduce you to some of the most inspiring friends and guests that I get to have on here.

And it's because of you that I get to continue to have awesome guests and awesome information to share to the world. So thank you from the bottom of my heart for listening. Thank you for promoting it, for sharing it with your friends, and for just being dedicated to stepping up in your life and getting the results you want. And if this can provide a little bit of inspiration for you

throughout your day, throughout your week, and kind of give you that boost you want. And if this can provide a little bit of inspiration for you throughout your day, throughout your week, and kind of give you that boost you want and need to take it to the next level, then I'm super happy that it does that for you. So again, thanks so much for tuning in. And you guys know what time it is. It's time to go out there and do something great. Give me some inspiration right now before I'm going on stage. Gosh, I got nothing. Nothing? Nothing. I just like, you know, I'm just like, in the zone, I'm like, you can do this.

You got this. This is going to be so fun. You're just a pro. I know. It's just like, this is going to be fun. Do it all the way. Do it all the way, Lewis. You got this. Got to feel like hell tonight Tear the rage you cannot fight Lots to help you understand Are you strong enough to be my man? My man Nothing's true, nothing's right

So let me be alone tonight Cause you can't change the way I am Are you strong enough to be my man? Strong enough to be my man Hide me I promise I'll believe Hide me But please don't leave Don't leave Only, only.

That's a bad part. Yeah. Are you strong enough to be my man? Are you strong enough to be my man.