The School of Greatness - 673 Influence People's Minds with Mentalist Lior Suchard

Episode Date: July 30, 2018

“ALWAYS THINK POSITIVE THOUGHTS BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHO IS READING THEM” Lior explains his process of influence and how he is able to use how “power” for good instead of evil. We discuss such topics as how he can create the illusion of more senses. We talk about the difference between a magician and a mentalist, and how YOU can tap into your intuition. I have to admit, my mind is still spinning after this one. You’ll want to listen to it, and if you can’t believe your eyes, watch the video and you’ll see the proof of what happened. So get ready to tap into your powers, on Episode 673. Some Questions I Ask: What is it you think you do? (5:34) How do you really start to understand people with the 5 senses? (6:46) How many mentalists are there? (12:41) Do you feel like you have a good childhood? (16:36) How important is storytelling in mentalism? (18:53) Why do you keep doing this? (26:17) Is this a skill that people can learn? (28:29) What are 3-5 things that if people did more of that they would be more influential? (32:13) Do you ever wish you couldn’t read people? (35:11) What happens if something goes wrong? (43:35) What’s the skill you still get to master? (46:08) What’s your biggest fear? (50:18) How many times do you get people who write you letters saying you changed their lives? (57:24) In This Episode You Will Learn: The challenge that Lior gives to himself (4:58) The process of thinking (5:57) How Lior understood the way I thought (8:38) The difference between a magician and a mentalist (11:31) Something that someone’s done that’s blown Lior away (14:07) The riskiest thing he’s ever done (22:35) What it’ll take for Lior to help people change their lives (27:14) How we can use this in our own lives to be better (30:08) A book test on Christine (35:33) What people are easier to read than others (42:46) Lior’s biggest challenge in life right now (44:46) The person he’d really love to do something with (47:58)

This is episode number 673 with mentalist Lior Souchard. Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin. Ronald Reagan said that there are no great limits to growth

because there are no limits of human intelligence, imagination, and wonder. Welcome, my friends, to the School of Greatness podcast. We've got my friend, to the School of Greatness podcast. We've got my friend, Lior Souchard, who is considered to be the world's greatest mentalist. His mind-blowing performances of thought influence, miraculous prediction, and startling mind reading have made him the most sought-after mentalist on the planet. He entertains audiences all over the world, which have brought him a list of fans stretching from A-list Hollywood celebrities to heads of

state and notorious businessmen and billionaires. Lior has left live audiences in all, all around the globe, performed in more than 50 countries, and been featured on numerous TV specials. When I watched him perform live years ago, I said, I have to connect with this guy more. I have to learn about how he does this, and I got to get him on my show. And we made it happen. Today is the day. And what we cover are how to use the five senses that we all have to create the illusion of more senses. How do we create that illusion? Also, the difference between a magician and a mentalist, the power of storytelling to influence

people, how to tap into your intuition because you have a powerful intuition, but you've just got to learn how to cultivate it more, and easy ways to become more influential immediately. And you're going to see my mind get blown here in a second from what Lior does with me. And also make sure to watch the full video. If you go to the show notes, lewishouse.com slash 673, you can watch the video of him blowing my mind and Christine's mind as well, who you'll see on the video. Big thank you again to our sponsors. And I'm super excited about this one. It's all about how do we tap into our intuition? How do we influence people? How do we master all of this in one place with the one and only Lior Souchard?

I'll give you a challenge. The challenge is that the narrative of a mentalist is always the same. It's always, what's the lottery numbers? Can you make my wife disappear? Can you get 20 pounds less? Can you do this? What's going to be tomorrow? That's the emails that I get all the time. So I think if you can go more creative about the thing that I do,

which is similar to the thing that you do in a different way. It's very similar. We can talk freely. So whatever you want. What do you think you do? Well, I describe it as using as my five senses to create the experience of more senses. I know how people think. I don't know what you're thinking.

I know how you're thinking. Based on what? Based on principles of underground psychology, nonverbal communication, understanding how... I know the process of thinking. What's the process of thinking? Ah.

The process of thinking is different from... You want me to show you what the process of thinking is? Sure. Give me your phone. Okay. Let's try. Try something. And what I'm going to do, I don't want you to see this,

so I'm going to go to a website that you know. Tell me if you've heard of this. Google? Exactly. Wow, you read my mind. This is unbelievable. It's really... Okay, and I'm going to search something here, which you know.

I mean, just look here. Just this will be nice. I hope this works. You know what? We'll leave it for something else. I'll leave it here. I'll leave it here. Let me work with it.

I'll do it again in a few seconds. So let's continue talking, and then I'll do it. How I'll leave it here. Nothing more. I'll do it again in a few seconds. Okay. So let's continue talking. Okay. How do you really start to understand people with the five senses? Well, you know, I open my show. I tell people I use three techniques, mind reading, mind influencing, and bullshit. So I use a variety of techniques. Sometimes it's hard to explain exactly what I do, how I do.

If you think about it Sometimes it's hard to explain exactly what I do, how I do. If you think about it, it's very simple. I mean, if I give you a dice and tell you, put it in your hand and shake it, shake it, and you don't know what the number is because nobody knows the number, and I don't know the number. But if you look at the number, I mean, exactly if you finish and you look at the number, the number now you look at the number now you're starting to transmit now, I don't know if this is the transmit let me turn it off

but because I learned you got it? because I learned how people, you think of six I think so do it one more time under the table so now it's completely so really, this is nothing to do with luck I don't know the number on the dice I think. Yeah. Yes. So do it one more time. Do it under the table, under the table. So now it's completely.

So really, this is nothing to do with luck. I don't know the number on the dice, but if you go like this and you take a little pick, take a little pick. You got it? So now I can, now I know it's the two.

Yeah. And one last time, just to make sure it's, you know what, you can do it here on the table. So I'll turn my back. You choose a number, make a choice and cover it. So it's going to be completely fair. So I'll turn my back, you choose a number, make a choice, and cover it.

So it's going to be completely fair. I just choose a number? Yes, choose a number. Tell me you have it. So I'm not going to look. You got it? So here's the thing. So now I'm trying to analyze you

because you're skeptical. You'll probably stay on two. And one last time just for fun. Oh my God. One last time just for fun. So you had six, you had five, you had two, you had two, and I think that after those, tell me when you're done. Ah, shit.

I'm looking at the wall of fame here. You got it? Yup. I think you will go with, this time you will go with number one. Oh my god. So it's all about understanding how you think. Wow. How did you understand the way I thought?

How, some of the things I don't know how to explain because for me it worked the opposite. When I was a child I used to play this game and it was reversed. So I could look at people oh you're thinking of four. Yes. How did you know that?

Then I came to a conclusion that the overall body language the overall thinking basically tells me not tells more like transmit not even transmit I don't know

it's like a subtle thing that I know what number are're looking at. You can see where I'm going to be thinking next. So are you really good at rock, paper, scissors then? Because you can analyze the next move I'm going to make. It's possible. It's possible.

Interesting. It's possible. I never tried it, but it's based on, if I work on that, I'll probably. If I did it one more time, do you think you'd be able to get it? You want to try? If I get the dice one more time on the table? You want to try? Or if I just guess the number?

Well, guess the number, it's just luck. We have the same chance to guess the number. But you have to know the number, so I'm going to turn my back. All right, got it. You got it? Do you know the number? Yeah. You don't know the number?

I do know the number. Really? I'm trying to analyze. You will go with number four. Oh my goodness. Yes. That's crazy. Okay, you got it right every time.

Now how are you influencing that, or how are you? That's not influencing, that's reading. How are you knowing that I'm gonna be thinking that next number? Or is it thinking I'm gonna be thinking that, or is it once I've chosen it, then you realize it? It's like when I tell you, for example, don't think of a pink elephant. You immediately think about it, and all the viewers right now are thinking of a pink elephant.

So it's the same thing. When you watch the number four, you can't think of three. You can't think of five. And I know, it's like a poker tale. When you look at it, I know what's a four. I know what's a three. I know what's a two. I know, during the years, I practice. It's all about, I know what's a four, I know what's a three, I know what's a two. I know I, during the years I...

You've practiced it enough. I've practiced it. It's all about, it's like playing a piano. You know, everybody can learn to play a piano, but not everybody will be Mozart. So I mastered the whole concept of understanding how people think. Now, if it's a one through six, it would be easier than one through a hundred. Same principle, just going to be more sensitive. What? So that's a one through 100 dice, theoretically.

For example, in my show, I have an act where I have someone hold the coin in one of the hands, and I guess which hand is the coin every time. And it makes the audience laugh because I talk about body language. But somewhere inside their mind, they're saying, okay, it's a 50-50 chance. And then I bring 30 people on stage. And now you have one to 60. And one of them is holding the coin. And now it's much more difficult,

but I'm looking at them and I point to a person. And that person usually holds the coin. It's the same concept. You know, before we started shooting, we talked about magician versus mentalist. And I thought about what to tell you about that. When you watch a magician show, you are amazed. You're blown away.

Just like here. Oh, my God. How did it happen? How did you know it? What's going on? But you know somewhere deep inside your mind that he didn't kill the girl, saw her in half, and then brought her back, right? And you know that when she levitated, you know it's not something from quantum physics, defying gravity thing. You know there's a trick. You don't know what is a trick, but you know it's not real. You know it's an illusion. When you watch a mentalist show, there's another factor of belief because there is, you will ask yourself, is it really?

Is it true? Not true? Is it a magnetic dice? Magnetic dice. Can you do it with my dice? Right, right. The answer is yes. But there's lots and lots of more aspects than just wondering.

So there's an element of belief. There's an element of,, there's an element of... It's similar a little bit to the same thing that happens in our brain when we talk about religious, when someone believes in God or not believe in God. You go out and you ask yourself, is it real or is it not real? It's not just a trick.

So that's the main issue between a mentalist and a magician. Wow. And there's not many mentalists. There's not many. How many are there that are world-class in your mind? Not a magician. Wow. And there's not many mentalists. There's not many. How many are there that are world class in your mind? Not a lot. I think there's like less than 10 very good ones. Who's someone that you're inspired by?

Talk about Darren. Darren is amazing from England. We've got another Israeli, Haim Goldenberg from Canada, who's a good friend of mine. There's two in Israel, which are very good. I mean, Uri Geller started the whole concept. Do you know the name? No.

Uri Geller in the 70s, Israeli, he took the concept, the first one, and took it to the stage. He used to bend spoons with the mind. So every time you think of spoon bend, you have something about, that's him. He was the one who did it. He became huge all over the world.

He was a personal friend of Michael Jackson and John Lennon and he was consulting them. He used to find oil, according to what he says, of course, to find oil with his mind, have companies, advice companies. He was the first one who started the whole concept of taking the power of the mind, bringing it to the stage and entertainment. And what I did with it, because I was always very funny, I always like to make fun and entertain people.

I love the high energy of entertainment and I love to be creative. So I took the concept and developed lots of creativity around it. And that's what you see in the live shows and the TV shows and all of that. Wow. So it's a lot of fun. What's something that someone's done that you think has blown you away personally? Because I feel like you've seen it all.

You know how a lot of people have learned their psychology and things like that. So, you know. Well, if you think about it, again, I go back to magic. A magician can do four things. Any magician.

He can make something appear from nowhere or disappear or transpose or levitate that's it that's like in lots of different ways exactly so like that's like four pillars now with what i do same four pillars i can read something i can influence something or guess. It's more like a reading. I can predict something. Or I can make things move like the spoon bending or telekinesis stuff, brain power. On that, you build a story. Different, different story.

It's like, you know, you talk about motivational speaking, okay? Thinking positive, it's a fact. People need to think more positive. But every person takes it to how they see it and how they look at it. At the end, it's all about mindfulness and getting yourself into the right position. But same thing here. There's four elements, and I build the story, the crazy story around. And in the middle of the story, I give you traps, and I give the story, the crazy story around. And I give you, in the middle of the story, I give you traps and I give you ideas

and I give you, oh, I think I know how we did that. And then something coming to the blog. So it's a show, it's a live show. It's to entertain people. And when I see, and this is the truth, when I see people wondering, and here's an interesting thing that I don't think, nobody talked about it.

What is a sense of wonder? What is it? What do you think sense of wonder? What is it? What do you think is a wonder? What is wonder? When someone is wondering. They're curious. But you left, you went like, oh, my God, oh, my God. Some people will cry.

Some people will go like this. And some people will just, hmm. There's a lot. I mean, we know. Emotion, yeah. Exactly. You know laughter. You know it's universal.

This is laughter. Sadness, you know, it's the opposite. Angry, you know,, you know it's universal. This is laughter. Sadness, you know it's the opposite. Angry, you know it's like this. Wonder, it's very individual. If you think of wonder, not everybody will go like this. Not everyone. Some people will go like this. Some people will be like shocked.

Once I had a show and nobody clapped their hands at the end and I felt sorry. I said, no, you don't understand. They were too shocked. Oh, wow. So I had to reprogram the show to get to uh applause so it's very interesting if you think about it and when I see the audience wondering becoming children again that's amazing wow that's why I do what I do do you feel like you had a good childhood define a good childhood well you say you want people to

be like children again that means I believe you know I have two children of my own and you know the children that you see that there's an amazing scene from the movie The Prestige. You see a magician, he's taking a little bird and he goes like this and the bird disappears and the audience goes oh my god and the bird appears like in another place. So everybody's like clapping their hand and the little boy is asking, what happened to the first bird?

And really the magician had like a mechanic, something that he makes sure that he kills the first bird. Oh no. Something like that. But children has a sense of wonder. They touch the iron because they're curious and then they get the burn. And I see my kid is doing something from Lego Lego and he's like oh look what I've

done what I've done it's a make it they have this when we grow up we start to lose this you go into the box you have your work and you know everything in the news and we start to lose this this amazing feeling of wonder of wonder and I'm here to get back. And you know, I don't want to name dropping, but you know some of the people that I perform for. Absolutely. Doesn't matter who you are.

You can be known, I don't know, rich, poor, everybody's like leveled, and they have the sense of wonder, which is amazing. Wow. It's a wonderful feeling. How old are your kids? Four and two. And do you perform mentalism on them?

It's hard because mentalism is very, sometimes it's not visual. It's not like magic visual. Sometimes it's very intellectual. Something you think about later. You think about. So it's hard to express it, but working on that. You're working out with them? A little bit.

Because you're not like, voila, like there's something in front of you. Exactly, exactly. It's not an act. Exactly. That's why when I do a big show, even if I do a show for 3,000 people, the stage and the screens, the production will be modest

because it's not going to be explosions and stuff like that. Smoke and everything, yeah. There's, of course, lighting and we have screens and we have cameras because it's all about the interaction, but it's not going to be like fireworks and stuff like that

because it's all about what's happening there. It's not about how big it is, it's how emotional it is. How important is storytelling in mentalism? It's everything. That's everything. How did you learn how to tell better stories? I didn't. I didn't. I'll tell you a little story. I think it was like 10 years ago, I did a show. And the guy came to me and told me, I have a show for a company, for a swatch group in Switzerland. The swatch brand.

And I have all the retailers. Do you think it's amazing? Do you think you can do something connected to the watch? And then I was like, hmm. It's like, I have an idea. And then started infotainment. Infotainment. Infotainment, which is creating this stuff.

I said, okay, so I know how to guess things for dice. What if it wasn't a dice? What if it was different messages of a company and you look at something and say, oh, you're looking at how important is the connection with the workers. And then I find myself talking about the messages, conveying the messages, but in a way that people remembers it. So for Swatch, I took 10 people on stage,

I told them to, one of the acts, hold your hand above your watch, count to three, and I actually stopped all their watches. Stopped completely. You didn't touch their watches? I told them, I was going like this to them, the Stopped completely. You didn't touch their watches? I told them I was going like this to them. The watches stopped. You didn't touch the watches?

The audience goes wild. Never touch the watches. The audience goes wild. Wow. One lady from those 10 people said, my watch is still working. And I started to act like, no way. What's going on?

What's going on? What's going on? No, no, no. It didn't stop. And I was, let me see. Let me see. And I was going like, oh, you have this watch. And that was like a moment because then I said, what do you have? What do you have?

And I talked about all the other brands that I could stop, but I could not stop this watch. That's powerful. And the message was, I can't do it. That's brilliant. And it was a metaphor. Of course, by the way, I could stop any of the watches. I just made it look like I acted as I do. And I saw the owner of, Mr. Hayek is the owner of, he passed away.

But back then, he was like, because you had 700 people who sell his watches. And now we wanted to say, how good is the watch? Wow. So then I found myself flying for lots of corporations, Fortune 500 companies, cybersecurity. For IBM, I did a competition, who is smarter, me or Watson, you know, the artificial intelligence. For Google, we did something, who is faster in searching,

master mentalist or Google? So I create this, and I think this works on a principle that if I ask you, what were you wearing three weeks ago on Monday? Nobody knows. Don't know. But if I ask you, what did you do on the day of September 11 when the plane hit the Twin Towers? You remember exactly what you did. Yeah.

Can you remember what I was doing? I know. No, but I remember what I was doing. Yeah. Why do you remember exactly what you did yeah can you remember what i was doing i know no but i remember what i was doing yeah why do you remember it because it was an emotional impact bad negative one you remember also the good things absolutely so when i'm standing in front of a company and i create this sense of wonder mind tricks call it whatever you want and people are like blown away but this is connected to the messages of the new product. You're holding the new cybersecurity product that prevents hackers, and while you're holding it, I can't read your mind. Right.

And people get the metaphor, and everybody remembers the messages, and it's better than any lecture. It's better than any PowerPoint show because people go home and say, oh, this guy was talking about the new blah, blah, blah of cybersecurity of the company. And when I hold this, he couldn't read my mind. And when I didn't hold it, he couldn't read my mind. So it talks about this.

What's the riskiest thing you've ever done that you actually, because usually you know it's going to work, I'm assuming. You know you've got an influencer. There used to be a time where one of the acts in the show is to have like a Russian roulette I used to have like like four knives and sorry for like bases and one night or something something like that with the bags scary I used to play with a staple guns that you know one of them is loaded all the rest is not loaded you mix it up and then I find it and then I took it to the

next step I don't find it you find it so, and then I find it, and then I took it to the next step. I don't find it, you find it. So you take it, and I take it, and I go like this, and I click it. I did it in a television show in Israel, it was crazy. And then with time, I felt, I don't think it's for me. It's not about if I'm right or wrong. If I'm wrong, it's very not for me, but because this is not, it's very authentic, it's very, it might go wrong. And when'm wrong, it's very not for me. But because this is not... It's very authentic. It might go wrong. And when I do a live show, I just came back from Miami. It was a two-hour live show. Things

got wrong. But the audience are not aware. It's part of the story. It's part of the story. I'll get back to it later. There was a guy who, in the middle of the show, he was like a heckler. He said, what's the name of my kindergarten teacher? Or what's the name of my friend?

It happens. And I stopped the show, and I was like, I started to tell jokes about him interrupting me. And I said, I'm sorry, the show is going to be extended. And I went to him. But at the end of the show, I wrote the name of his kindergarten teacher. Mrs. Robinson, it was, remember?

It was crazy, and everybody was, like, blown away because I have anchors. I know I'm first act, second act, third act, but in between... Stuff can go... I go crazy. But people don't remember the failures necessarily because you always tie it around at the end.

And by the way, it's like philosophical psychology. Okay, let's say that you're holding, I'm just inventing something, you're holding a bill and you ask me to guess the serial number. Okay, and I go, okay, 3, 5, 6, 9, 9, 9, whatever, and it's completely correct. And the audience applauds.

Let's say that I do it and I have a mistake in one digit. What's better? One digit out of the 10 or eight digits. I don't know. I'm pretty impressed if someone pulls it out and you get all the 10 digits. But in a show,

I think that if I have a mistake... It tells like you're... It's credible. I'm human. I'm like you guys. You get... Got it. you're... It's credible. I'm human. I'm like you guys. You get... Got it. There's an act...

You're not perfect. Exactly. Because then there's something that's got to be off. Exactly. There's some magic behind it. Exactly. I don't believe you don't know this person. Exactly.

Sometimes I get there's an act that I tell someone to draw something. We're standing back to back. And we draw the exact same thing. And it's really spectacular. It's really cool. and we draw the exact same thing. And it's really spectacular. It's really cool.

Sometimes I get the picture so good that I'm doing a little off on purpose. Really? Yeah. So he did a house and a tree and a sun. So I do a house and a tree, but I reverse it. I do... Pretty close. Very, very close.

And I think it's stronger. I think it's stronger. It's a little bit not a perfect match. Yes. I'm like a magician that you can't go a little bit. It has to be exactly. Because if not, she's not levitating. If it's not, it has to be... So on purpose, you'll mess it up.

Yeah, I won't mess it up. I go close because I think it shows credibility to the audience. But you really have the exact image in your mind. Sometimes. And sometimes not. And sometimes I will not know it. And I will have the exact image in your mind. Sometimes. And sometimes not, you know? And sometimes I will not know it and I will play on it in a different way

and I'll go from a different direction. You'll come back to something else with them and tie it in somehow. Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. That's part of the show. Why do you keep doing this?

I love how people react to it. I really, really... I love to perform. You know, I finish the show, I take a bow, I go out, and then sometimes there's like an encore or something like that, but sometimes I go back and just go down the stairs and people coming to me, selfies and pictures, and there's like another 30 minutes of me taking pictures, signing,

because I want to hear, and people come to me, oh my God, you inspire. I don't think it's just entertainment. I think it's also inspiring. I think it's a little bit educational because I think my next phase will be getting a little bit more educational, maybe teaching something, maybe. Really? It's something that will help, not just for fun, something that will help you.

Impact people beyond wonder. Exactly. So they'll go home and they will say, okay, for fun, something that will help you. Impact people beyond wonder. Exactly. So they'll go home and they will say, okay, I want to try to do something to be better or to do something. I love the reactions of people. I love people, generally. What do you think that will take for you to do in order to get people at the end of your performance, hour, two hours, whatever it may be, to be like, you know what, I'm going to change this part of my life to be better. That's the next step, I think.

What is that, you think? I don't know yet. In the show, you saw the video with Jerry, with the Rubik's Cube. Yes, Gerard Butler, yeah. So I gave him a Rubik's Cube. He mixed the cube. Yeah. He kept mixing it up behind his back.

And then he showed that he solved it. And people were like going crazy. So this is an act that I do in the show right now with two people. And this is an act that, it's an act about you're going to do the impossible now, not me. Right. Now, again, it's very philosophical

because of course I'm doing it, I'm helping them, I'm controlling, I'm influencing, but I love to make it look like it's their moment right now. So they go like this and like they solved it. And it's really, really cool. So I think I'll add more aspects of that. The impossible is possible. Exactly.

I want you to try to guess what he's thinking. Not just me. Not just the superstar on the stage. I want you to think of a number and you think of it and you guess the number and I will show them how it's possible to do it. And I think this will inspire people to be more positive. You just think of a number and you think of it and you guess the number and I will show them how it's possible to do it. And I think this will inspire people to be more positive. Is this a skill that people can learn to get to a certain level beyond where they're at?

Maybe they're not gonna be able to get to your level, but how can we learn to be more intuitive in our own lives to be able to perceive people and influence people or persuade people, obviously in a positive way of integrity, but not getting them to do something negative. But how can we tap into intuition more? I have to tell you something. I'm not religious. I'm, again, you know, we're in Los Angeles. Every second you have like the psychic stories.

I'm really against that. I'm against psychics. I'm against fortune tellers. Some of them using similar techniques like me. But if I look at you or tell you the thing of a name or something, I can guess it. I can guess it as a mentalist, as entertainment. Or I can say, I'm getting spirits, blah, blah. And that's what they do.

So they take advantage of people's beliefs and they do it. So I hate that. But I really believe in karma, in psychological karma, not spiritual karma. I don't like the whole this kind of stuff. But psychological karma. So first of all, if you give to people, you get back. Definitely. So I always try to, when there's a situation, I always say to people,

okay, what can I do for you? How can I help you? If I can, I will help you. There's nothing wrong with that. And I'm sure it will come back to me will help him. There's nothing wrong with that. And I'm sure it will come back to me in another way. And it happens all the time. There's some stuff that people can learn. They can learn the basics of influencing, how to create a rapport, the basic of NLP a little bit, how to get more chances of the other person to say yes to you. But it doesn't

mean you're going to be on stage and guess things about people, but... How can we use this in our own lives to be better? Exactly. I think this is the next step for me. I wrote a book about this. It's called Mind Reader, Unlocking the Power of Your Mind to Get What You Want. So the whole book is filled with lots of mind tricks,

mind questions. You're running in a race, all right? You're running and you just passed second place. Which place are you now? You just passed second place. You just passed second place. You're in second place. Exactly.

But you thought about it. You wanted to say first. Yes. So how the mind works. Interesting. It's interesting. Lots of fun stuff. You also influenced me by putting someone in first.

Exactly, exactly. So I teach about that. Lots of fun stories, mind tricks. And in between, there's a little bit of how to influence people, a little bit of how to be positive, to give a compliment to people. Sure. For example. Compliment goes a long way.

What? A compliment goes a long way. Exactly, exactly. When you give a compliment, it's like you're already influencing someone to give you everything you want. In a sense, right? I agree. Is that why you hugged me twice?

Just kidding. Yes, and I hugged you also. No, it's funny because I always lead with a big hug when I meet someone. It's wonderful. And I usually hug like a second longer than you're supposed to. But also make it playful and like fun.

You're talking with an Israeli Jewish, okay? You know what's chutzpah? You know what's chutzpah? Chutzpah is a word, chutzpah, you can Google it. I've heard of it, but tell me. It's like positive rudeness. It's this, it's this. Hey, how are you?

And sometimes Americans, like, germophobics, you know. Give me space. Give me space, give me space. Japanese, you know, like very. But sometimes, there's a funny about Israelis. You say never interrupt an Israeli while he's interrupting somebody else. I'm sure. So I have this thing of chutzpah, and it works, I think.

I think the hugs, you know, the... Embracing, yeah, the connection. It creates an immediate connection. A hug is a universal way to say, hey, great to meet you, or something like that. For Americans, sometimes it can be embarrassing, a little bit, a little bit. But they say that you're positive, so it's all good. What would you say are like three, four, or five things,

your top thing is that if people did more of, they would automatically just be more influential. People would want to be around them more. People would say yes more or give them more information or want to work with them more, whether it be business, intimate relationships. A few things that are just like... I'll tell you something.

I'll tell you something. There's an amazing book called Influence. Yeah. Influence by Robert Cialdini. Cialdini. Seven things, yeah. Exactly. Crazy.

So one of the things he talks about, and it's really interesting, he talks about, it sounds bad, but it's not bad. Reciprocity or... Yeah. So when you give, no, no, when you give someone something, he will want to give you back. Reciprocity, yeah. Exactly. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And you can see it from individual to countries. So, for example, you know, we have the Israeli government and Turkish government. For example, sometimes they're like friends, not like on and off, connected to the situation, Turkey and Israel. And sometimes it's a bad relationship, sometimes it's a good relationship. But I think there was a big earthquake in Turkey, and we sent the first special units to help and save them, no matter what was the relationship between the politics. Right.

Save people, yeah. Israel is always, by the way, in Thailand, when they had the kids, Israel sends people to help. Always, always, always, always. And you put politics aside. Then we had, a few years ago, we had a big fire in Haifa in Israel. Big, huge fire. And the Turks sent the super tankers to help us back.

And the next day, you know, the prime ministers can say, we hate you. And it shows something interesting. So the first thing I think when you're in a group of people, always be the first one to say, let me help. How can I support you? And I'm not talking about giving money to people. It's just help in a way. Then it will most likely will influence other people to help you. Reciprocate.

Exactly. Robert talks about a waiter who gives you the check with a few gums or smiley face. Candy. Piece of candy. You want to give him a bigger tip. Exactly. It's crazy. It's good.

The compliment is good. Longer hug. Longer hugs. Obnoxiously positive. They're very good. They're very good. They're very good. But I think that you need to see the positive things in everything. Everything, there's two sides.

Sometimes the positive side is very, very little bit, but there's always positive sides. And I see it all the time. I see it all the time. The concept of doing something impossible, okay, sometimes I visit the kids in hospital right and these are kids that have I don't want to say the word but you know bad stuff going on with them yeah and so I take the Rubik's Cube and

I take these dice or I do some stuff and I made them be the hero mm-hmm and you have no idea how they light up. They light up, and they become healthy. Not because I did, because it was positive. Yeah, it's all here. Do you ever wish you couldn't read people the way you do? Yes, but it's not like that. It's not that I'm walking and I'm reading people all the time. I'm very good at understanding people.

I'll give you an example, and I'm going to do something that maybe nobody has ever done in the, and I'm going to do something that maybe nobody has ever done in the interviews. I'm going to use you. Awesome. One second. Christine. Christine.

How do you write Christine? C-H-R-I-S-T-I-N-E. Christine will. Christine will. This means you will do something. Christine will do something. I'm gonna write something for you. Oh, gotcha, gotcha.

I see what you're saying. I believe in this stuff. You believe in this stuff. So, you're gonna keep this. Christine will do something. You're gonna do something. In the future? In the future, in the future.

Am I allowed to look at her now? No, don't look at her. No, I'm gonna influence her. I'm gonna put it in my pocket. Put it in your pocket, yeah, yeah. He gave me something in my hand written down. Christine and I did not see it, for those only listening. And what we're going to do, there's books over there,

and there's books over here, but don't choose your books, and more books over here. So I want you to pick two books, one in each hand, from anywhere. It doesn't matter. There's books around the room, and Christine is going to pick two books, one in each hand. From anywhere, doesn't matter. There's books around the room. And Christine is going to pick up. This one and one more. Pick up two books.

Am I allowed to say which one she picked up or no? That's fine, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter, okay. So did it look like a fair choice? Yeah. So now hold them like this, hold them like this. And you can mix them or whatever you want. And just. And now, very nice,

and now drop, we're going to leave with one book, only one book. One book. One book. So come over here next to me, to my left here, and it's all intuitive, right? So just look at me, just open the book anywhere you want, and just go through between the pages, yeah, and then, yeah, just go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and when you want and just go through between the pages yeah and then yeah just go back and forth back and forth back and forth back and forth and when you want to stop you just stop does it look fair it looks very so let's let's change position and you want the left side or the right side left side is here can you see the books because I wanted to be a surprise but you cannot see it from here right we can see the book we can't see the behind. OK, OK.

So let me show you some words. You see the word? Oh, this is a good word. We talked about it. Creative. All the words are typical. Or here I can find this. Like, there's lots of them.

You want the left side or the right side? Which one do you want? Left. Left. Put your finger, because you're going to do it. Put your finger here. This is crazy. And just move it.

Move it, move it, move it, and stop anywhere you want. You do it. Go. You do it. Anywhere you want. Now comes the best part, move it, move it, and stop anywhere you want. You do it. Go. You do it. Anywhere you want. Now comes the best part because here, is it fair? Fair? No, keep your finger there.

Oh. Is it fair? It looks fair. It looks fair. You feel like he was influencing you. No, she's doing whatever you want. And I'll give you a chance to change your mind if you, do you want to change your mind? You can. No, I don't.

Because most people want to change their mind. No, I believe. Because most people want to change your mind no I believe because most people want to change your mind I'm kidding do you want or you don't no because after you're going to ask yourself oh my god he gave me a chance to change my mind and I did not change my mind you want to change your mind no you sure should she change her mind or no no I just she's looking at the word but no I don't even know what it is. No, but you want or you don't want? No.

I literally don't know what it is. Don't say it. You got it? It's two words. You got it? Okay, now here's the interesting part because you can say the, what is the word? Now starting. Now starting.

It's the middle of the sentence. And you went like this. You went, yes? And you went to now starting. I saw it also. What's the chance of somebody knowing that slim chance can you open the no chance no chance no chance can you show us now starting

No. Christine will choose the last one. Look at her face. Sense of wonder. Two words. Oh my God. You picked one word or there was two? Two, she picked two words. That's exactly what was in the...

This is for you, this is for you. Let me go back over here. Thank you, big round of back over here. Thank you. Big round of applause to Christine. Are you blown away? I believe. I believe! So you told her to choose one word, but she put her finger and there was two words in the middle of her finger.

Yeah, it was like very random and she went like this. And I feel that this will stay for you for a long, long time. This is like what happened to me when I was on TV with him. Exactly. And he was like, think of a number. Like you asked me like four times if I wanted to move it. And by the way, just with it. And just for.

I was going to say move it. Exactly. I was going to say move it. By the way, if you would move it. But she was stubborn. It would be completely different words. Completely different words. So it's a matter of choice.

And also, just for clarification, when I came to this room, I never touched any of the books. Nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. And you've opened the page that you wanted to. Yeah. But you have to ask yourself, like, oh, man, it's crazy. What happened? There's no way.

Like, I mean, maybe you influenced me to, like, left versus, you didn't know what was in this book? Mm-mm. That book? It's crazy. It's not even the book, it's that book. Amazing. Yeah, it's fun. So how did you deconstruct this after the interview?

You see, it's fun to do it. By the way, can I have your phone? I have a better screen with this one. Can see, it's fun to do it. By the way, can I have your phone? I have a better screen with this one. Can you open it? I mean, I can guess your password, but... And you go, I try to do something with your phone. Go on Google, and I will go on... Wow, you have so many apps here.

It's crazy. Let's see. Are you in Google? I'm in Google. Okay, I hope this works. Google Images or Google All, it doesn't matter. Go to Im Google. Okay. I hope this works. Google Images or Google all of those? Go to Images. Okay.

Go to Images. I'll try to do something. I'm going to put something here. Okay. You have a wall full of lots of lots of known people here. Yes. If you have a chance, look at me. If you had a chance to interview someone, but here's the rules, super famous,

super famous, dead or alive. It can be, I'll give you an example. It can be Albert Einstein. Anything you want, anything. Anything, anything, anything, anything, anything. Who would it be? Search the person. Type the name in.

Will I know this person? Yeah. Can I see? Put it. Will I know this person? Yeah. Can I see? Put it in? Yeah. Enter it or no? Yeah, enter it. And then press enter?

Mm-hmm. Can I see? Yeah. Mm. Can we show it? It's Will Smith. Yeah, Will Smith. Now, why did you choose?

He's one of the top three people I've wanted to have on for, since the beginning of the podcast. Maybe he's watching us. Can you turn her phone? Maybe he's watching. Have you done any tricks on him? Will, if you're watching, we want you to come here. Exactly. We just thought of you together simultaneously. Exactly. And you'll come back on and do some stuff with him. Exactly.

Amazing. No, I haven't had a chance to meet him, but he's a wonderful guy. Yeah, he seems like a wonderful guy. Thank you for your thoughts. Amazing. Amazing. Thank you for your phone. Mentalism at its finest.

It's crazy, huh? So are you still thinking about this? What happened? Yeah. She's still blown away. Are certain people easier to read than others? Yes. Really?

Yes, yes, yes. She goes, I'm easier to read. I don't think it's about easy versus difficult. It's about... Understanding their personality type or their characteristics or their background. When you'll see me in a live performance, and we talked about when I'm doing the show here,

you'll come, of course, it's going to be crazy. You'll see how I'm searching the audience and I go like, yes, no, yeah. For more suggestive people? Depends on the experiment. Depends on the experiment. For example, if I do this book experiment, I chose you because I think you will be good for this.

It's not about good influence or bad influence. I might do something crazier and say, no, you will not be good for this. She will be good for this and he will be good for that. So just look at them and really quickly decide an educated decision who will be fit for this experiment. Because we're all different. And sometimes I get it wrong. Sometimes I get someone, which is, it's not a good fit. What happens if that word was wrong? You wrote down this thing. You predicted something. She pointed out it and it's some other word. Then how do you readjust it so it's not like

wah, wah. Let me go to, let me become philosophical. Okay. So the word was there. Now starting. Now starting. Wrote it down before. Yeah.

Maybe it was inside your head. Wait, did I predict the word? Did I know which word people would choose before? Or did I influence you choose before? Or did I influence you to choose? Or did I read your mind to choose? There's lots and lots of philosophical... Which word did you do? The mentalist will never tell. Cut!

It's part of the underground. It's a little bit of everything. Very, very underground. What's the question you wish more people would ask you? How do you do it? A lot of people ask you that, right? How do you do it?

How do you do it? How do you do it? What's the question you wish more people would ask you? About who you are, what you've experienced in your life. You know, they say that there's no stupid questions. There's only stupid answers. But I love it so much because I love when people ask me questions. It doesn't matter, actually. What's your biggest challenge in your life right now?

Juggle between family and career. Because you're on the road 100 times a year. I find myself flying to New York to do a big television or a big show. And Will Smith theoretically sees me and says, oh my God, I have to see you tomorrow for coffee. I can't. It's my daughter's birthday. I have to go back to Israel. And this happens all the time.

Really? I'm flying. I literally think that career-wise I can't do all in because if you do all in, you have to choose family or you can't do everything. So I try my best to have to choose family or or you can do everything so i'm trying my best to bring the family to projects if i can we're now flying to thailand in august for a vacation no shows nothing no television no shows i hope there'll be lots of creative parts over

there and i'm doing those in and outs all the time instead of used to be a time when i would come to a los angeles day for a week Now I'm like three days and I'm back. I'm trying to have the meetings set back to back. I'm trying, just like now, remember I landed? We're meeting on Sunday.

No American meets me on Sunday except this psycho. Sunday is a rest day for Americans. We're not resting, we're working. What's going on here? So I try to do it, and that's it. What's the thing you think you get to overcome in your own life

or the skill you still have yet to master that would take your life to another level? It's a good and bad at the same sentence. I love to perform so much, but I also want to be serious sometimes. And I can't. Not be on constantly. Hey, hey.

Exactly. Chutzpah, is that what you call it? Exactly. What? What's it called? Chutzpah? Chutzpah. No, chutzpah is like the...

It's okay. It's okay. Just being honest and mental is all it's like. I'm talking about if I'll do, I don't know, an educational speech about this,

I'll have to be a little bit more... I have to write. I don't know how to write. I have ADD, ADHD, all the Ds and all the Hs and all the combination of them together. So all those disorders, for me, I can't read a menu because it's lots and lots of text for me. On the other hand, I wrote a book. Same with me.

Yeah. So for me, I think that I want to master to master more about again it's a paradox i'm a mentalist i'm supposed to be very concentrated right but i can't concentrate i'm a mentalist in the show i can ask you what's your name again what's your name again what's your name again what's your name again and at the end of the show i remember the entire name of the audience all the names of people who've been on stage. So I would want to have more like focusing when I talk about and not run away to other dimensions like I do now. Yeah, it's like your gift and your curse, right?

Exactly, exactly. You also have those things? Yeah, like I can focus for short spurts but then it's like I'm all over the place. Lots of different creative ideas. But I've been thinking about having you on for seven years oh my god seven years well interviewing you for seven years

this podcast has been five and a half years so I'll be focused on something then I'll go away for it and then I'll come back to it because I'll remember it and keep following up

it's me it's the same I'm the same person following up yeah who's the person you'd really love to do something with

or let's dead or alive who would you want to work with? Guess it. Let's see. Put it on Google. I know it sounds a little bit of a cliche, but I mentioned Albert Einstein. Except of being a brilliant scientist, he was talking a lot about imagination. He was talking a lot about how people have, like you, you have the mask of masculinity

or school of greatness. This is like your words. So my words is when people always talk about think outside the box, think outside the box, think outside the box. So my take on that is it's too cliche, think outside the box, because I always said when you think outside the box, you just create another box. So I always say think between those boxes.

That's what I always say. And I always say think between those boxes. That's what I always say. And I always respect what he used to say about knowledge. We live in a time, I'll tell you like a personal story, in Israel, you have to go to the army. I was in the army for three years, from age 18 to 21, then people go to college. So theoretically you start college very late, but if you think about it, it's actually better

because you come prepared after. You're educated as a human. Your social skills are on a whole nother level. Exactly. And emotional skills. Exactly, and then after the army, I have two older brothers who are like top of the class in the Technion, he's like the mathematics, physics,

like super smart people. And I was like the black sheep, I'm like the clown who's doing tricks for the family all the time and I was expected to go to school and I went to school but after one month I said something here it's not going on for me and I started to perform and created my world around 22 around that age of 21 22 so so I have two children now I wanted to be educated but you have to remember that we live in a time that our children probably going to work in something that they didn't invent it yet and the time of whatsapp and and facebook and everything is like very social and very instant

so to have a degree and to say i'm have a degree in, I don't think it's that important that it used to be back then when it was more honor. My son is this. It's more about being creative and create and being open to things. Think of ideas. Yeah, what's your biggest fear? Getting older.

Really, why is that? Since I was very young, I had two characters that i followed one is superman yeah how long have you had that when wearing that when i saw you for the first time i was wearing that yeah more than 10 years i think and the other one is peter pan so peter and they both have powers they both superman is has this clark k Superman issue, okay, with me also, because I can go on stage, go crazy for two hours, and then, hey, let's go. No, I want to read a book.

Relax, relax. I want to go to, I don't know, to play guitar, play guitar a little bit. I want to do other stuff. And Peter Pan doesn't want to get old because he's afraid of getting older. Also, Superman, I don't know if people know that, but you know the famous story of Moses and Egypt, you know the famous, famous story? So how it started, the Egyptians wanted to kill, according to the legends, according to kill all the firstborns. So they took him and they put him in a basket, right? And they sent him on the Nile.

And then Cleopatra or one of the daughters, she found him and she called him Moses. And he grew up and he became a part of, like the son of the king. And then all the story about Egypt and sons of Israel that you all know. Superman, the same story. They put him in a spaceship. They sent him to earth. They found him. They called him Clark. He grew up and he found superpowers. And Moses also found his superpowers. It's kind of like very, very similar to this. So I'm not religious, but I'm very traditional. I like the Bible

stories. I think that's very smart stories. I think there's above 10 stories over there. So Peter Pan and Superman, I don't want to grow up, I don't know. I'm kind of like afraid from this. Suddenly I have like a pain here. I go like, what's going on? It never happened. I travel too much.

I have to see a chiropractor. What's going on here? What are you afraid of getting older? I don't know. I really don't know. It's kind of like, it's weird. But I think that inside, I'm 17 all the time. So that's very important.

And then I see that playing with my kids, suddenly I cannot do stuff that I used to do. I cannot jump. Right. I play basketball. After like one round, I have to. Tired. Wait a second, you know.

I have a little fear for that. Why do you think you were born? Well, it's an interesting question. By the way, maybe if I was born in Jerusalem, in the hardcore religious city of Jerusalem, I would become like a famous rabbi. You know, the guys who do that. Maybe if I was born in another place,

I would be a fortune teller. In India, I would be a guru, like a crazy guru that people come to you to ask for advices. We are born, but you know, I was doing this since I was six years old.

When I was six years old, I used to, you know, hey, hold the coin. Let me guess where the coin is. It's here. No, it's here. And I think this is the skill that you require

because I was wrong. A lot. A lot. Then you start to see when a person is holding the coin in the right hand you start to see that you start to see that position and the left hand this is the position and now you're turning into an act and now the dice and then a number from one to a billion and then i'm very sensitive about how people do it so why do you think you're here you called me

and you said come to the interview i mean why do you think you're important why do you think you're here? You called me and you said, come to the interview. I mean, why do you think you're on board? Do you have a reason why? Do you have a meaning for your life? Right now, the meaning for my life is to make people happy. Make people happy. Because I really see that it's happening.

I have people come to me and go more skeptical than you. It's all bullshit. Great. Come to the and go more skeptical than you. Go like, I don't, it's all bullshit. Great. Come to the show, watch it and enjoy. And the skeptical people, I call them my unpaid publicists. Yeah. I'll tell you a little story without telling a name.

Famous, famous actor. Super famous. More than the one you mentioned. More, like super, super famous. He's pretty big. More, more, more, more, more, more. We were in a restaurant with a few friends, and I looked at him and I guessed his credit card number.

Wow. And it was crazy. Everybody was like, wow, wow. And everybody was like, hmm. And he was angry because he was so skeptical. He said, you looked into my wall or something. There's no way you could know that. You looked at it.

And he took it in a very negative way. So then over the years, every time I met this actor, he was very negative to me. But then in different places, I met other people and I did something in a show or in a group or something. And I said, oh, you're that guy that he keeps talking about all the time, right? So you see how from negativity, this is the best PR. The skeptical are my unpaid publicists.

They talk about the experience. It doesn't matter if they talk good or bad, as long as they say my name correctly. Lior Souchard. Exactly. And the reason is because I think that this gray area of real, not real, tricks, not tricks, I think it's good for this because it gets people engaged. Any other questions that you have for me before I ask you the final few?

Well, we did the test. I told you to think of someone. Did you tell it to anyone from here? Did it tell you? Nothing? So I'm just going to go. And look what I'm going to do. I'm going to show you the procedure of what I do.

Okay. This person. Can you say the ABC really quickly? Just say it out loud. A, B, C, D. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z. Perfect. So now count from one to five. One, two, three, four, five.

I think he has five letters in the name. Yes. Yes. Okay, so do they know this person? Yeah. Yeah. They've never... Because you were thinking and you changed your mind a couple of times.

So I'm just going to go with what I feel. I'm just going to go with what I feel. And let's see if I'm going to close. I don't know if I write it. If I write it. I don't know if I can spell it. I wrote something here. I don't know. It's a good friend.

It's a good friend of yours? Am I supposed to say? Yes. It's somewhere close. Somewhere close. Yeah. Okay. Let's see how, okay, so I'm here.

Can I touch it anymore? Let's see. You ready? Drums, please. What's the name of your singer? Ralph. Wow. Yeah, that's pretty good.

Got it. Did you get it on camera there? Ralph, if you're watching us right now, we're thinking about you as well. Yes, we are. That's my dad. Oh my God. So he's watching us? Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah.

Got it. Yeah. That's powerful. It is. Very powerful. Now it makes you think, okay, okay, I think yes, no, no, yes, no, and this is part of who I am. Crazy. Mm-hmm. And this is part of who I am. Crazy. How many times do you get people to write you letters afterwards and say you transformed their life?

It happens a lot. I get lots of letters, it's generic letters from lots of people in the world going, what's the lottery numbers? Yeah. Sometimes it's very emotional. I read everything. They go like, I have a problem. I have this disease and that disease. I need money.

Na, na, na. You have to. What's the other one? I always tell them this. Here's what I tell them. Maybe it sounds weird. I said, don't smoke. That's what I said.

Don't smoke. Don't drink a lot of alcohol. Be positive and believe in yourself. That's kind of like my thing. Do you smoke and drink? No, believe in yourself. That's kind of like my thing. Do you smoke or drink? No, no, no. It's kind of like, I think it's stupid. Yeah.

I think it's stupid. I've never been drunk in my life. No, me too. I love to have a glass of wine at dinner. It's nice. It's a good wine. I like the atmosphere. But I think it's stupid to get drunk.

I really think it's stupid, really. It probably doesn't make you as influential. Exactly. And understanding and being intuitive. Exactly. And smoking, I don't get it. I don't get it. So I always tell them, and be positive.

I don't know the lottery numbers, unfortunately. Theoretically, if the lottery numbers were in a bowl and someone would pick them, I could influence them to choose my numbers. Really? But because it's a computer, there's no… You can influence someone else to pick the numbers that you want.

Even if they can't see the numbers? Yep. No way. If I can see the numbers, yeah. Oh, you can see the numbers. Mm-hmm. Wow. Mm-hmm.

Yep. So there's a lot of stuff. I used to… I did a… There's a part in YouTube when I drove here in Los Angeles, blindfolded completely in a car. But I can do it only with the person next to me can see the road. Oh my gosh. Holy cow. Yeah. In LA traffic.

LA traffic. I got to watch that. Yeah, watch that. Wow. I want to ask you a few final questions. This one is called the three truths. Three truths. So imagine a year Peter Pan and you never grow old but for whatever reason one day you got a call it quits Mm-hmm. So it's your last day on earth You can be as always you want to be an extend time as long as you want But one day it's got to be over. Mm-hmm. It will it will be

And or starting depends how you look at it. Now starting, see? Now starting. But this life, your life right now, will end. Let's just say it. That's what's going to happen. And you've achieved everything you want. Everything you can imagine. Every boxes you've put together and broken out of and whatever you want to do has happened. But for whatever reason, you have to take everything that you've created with

you. So no one has access to your books or videos or anything else you've done. No legacy. They don't have access to it, right? They don't have access to your words, just what they remember. They give you a piece of paper and a pen on your bedside and everyone's there. And they say, this is all we have left. Can you write down three things you know to be true about everything you've learned in this life? This would be all that we have to remember you by. These three things.

What would you say are your three truths? These could be the lessons you want to share with the world, the things you know to be true. It's a tough question. It's a question you need to think about. Three truths. I wonder if I can write down one. If I can imagine one of them. Yeah, let's see. Let's see. I need to think about. Three truths. I wonder if I can write down one. If I can imagine one of them.

Yeah, let's see. Let's see. I know one of them. One of them would be love. And when I say love, I don't talk about romantic love. I talk about just love, people. People inside are good. They get sometimes broken when you see what's happening in the world again I

think it's very stupid to I think that war is stupid I think that fighting over land is stupid I think all of that so love love the environment and love people the environment yes what did you write I'm waiting waiting okay yeah so I said I saw love will be one. Give will be two. Give, you have to... And again, when I say give, I'm not necessarily talking about giving money. It's not charity. It's more like, you know, giving.

And I know, you know, you know all those people here. You know that some people are douchebags. Some people are very nice. And some people are like... Again, people are people at the end of the day, and we're all going to die. We're all going to die. So there's lots of stories of what's happening after, but you know the story about the poor guy who went to a rich guy

and said, if I can prove to you that you have $20 more than I do, will you give me a donation? And the rich guy says, it was like arrogance, he said, what, I have billions of dollars, you have nothing, you cannot prove that to me. Okay, it's a bet. The poor guy says to him, okay, when we die, there's two kinds of cloth that they wrap the body.

One is the free one that everyone gets from the hospital, and one is for the rich people who cost $20 So you're gonna be worth $20 more than I do. Wow So exactly so the end of the day we're gonna be equal we started equal we're ending equal so So it's good to do good things to give the third one. It's a tough one third one Maybe it's this one. Let me see. Go ahead.

Positive. Be positive. Yes, you know, it was the first thing I wanted to say. First thing I wanted to say was love. Really? Yeah. Yeah? Okay.

But I thought to myself, it's not a cliche to be positive. No, but it's true. But when you say positive, I don't mean the cliche of being positive, of the generic word of positive. Everybody, every book here is like positive, positive, positive, positive. It's about give up. Give up to people. Okay, this is going people.

Let's start a fight. You know what? All good. Let's being positive also. Yeah, yeah. It's not just, you don't need to walk down the streets and smile and and be mary poppins i don't know you you just have to get to a conclusion as you said that we're going to die at the end you me the rich the poor everyone everyone and we have a limited time here maybe we have more time there i don't't know. Nobody's ever proven yet. We need to do good things with the time. We need to enjoy it and to also…

Do good things. Yeah. So if I take your question and I reverse it a little bit, because you said, no, I remember you. So I think the goal is to legacy. Because I was a little bit afraid that, you know, your dad is Ralph. What's the name of your grandfather? Kimball. Kimball. What's the name of his dad? Ralph. Ralph. And he's dead? Don't know. Exactly. So most of us, and I just talked about 100 years right now. That's 100 years. It's not that a lot. It's four generations. So maybe it's a little bit arrogant for me to say, but I want that somehow that great, great, great...

More than 100 years. Exactly. Oh, I had a great, great, great... He used to do some cool things. Read people's minds. He used to read people's minds. And this is kind of like a legacy. Because it will influence other people. Yeah, exactly. Interesting. Where can we connect with you online? And when can people see you perform live?

So, of course, we've got the normal Instagram, Lior Souchard, put it in the video. We'll add it everywhere. Twitter, yeah. You know, I'll tell you a little secret. I'm pretty accessible. Shh, don't say it out loud. I'm pretty accessible.

So I answer emails. I'm pretty accessible. Shh, don't say it out loud. I'm pretty accessible. So I answer emails. I love to talk with people. We just came for two crazy shows in Miami. We're planning to do something in Los Angeles, so stay tuned. It's going to be a crazy thing. And we'll make it big. But your website has all your tour dates as well.

Tour dates, everything. What's that? Liorasorchar.com. Liorasorchar.com. Just look me up. And go to YouTube. You'll see lots of fun stuff that happens there.

Amazing videos. If you want to be blown away, we'll link it all up. We'll put it on the show notes. And if you don't believe, come to See It Live. See It Live is unbelievable. Seeing is believing.

Exactly. Who said that? Who said that? I don't know. It's also generic. Seeing is believing. It's very generic. Who was the first one?

So what would be the other way of making that a powerful statement? When you said, think out of the box. No, what did you say? Merging both the boxes? Thinking between the boxes. Thinking between the boxes. So instead of saying seeing is believing, what would be a…

I would say always think positive thoughts because you can never know who is reading them. Think of that. Snap. Think of that. Well, I want to ask you one more question. But before I do, I want to acknowledge you. Because you've been an inspiration for me for seven years. Acknowledge me.

I'm acknowledging you right now for being a powerful symbol of what's possible. Because when I watched you on stage, and then when I watched you six or seven months ago, you continued to create awe and wonder inside of me. I think it was extremely powerful because sometimes, like you said, we do lose that. And even though I'm on my journey and doing my best to be creative, you push the mental boundaries for me to see how can I push it in my own work with my own skills and talents, which are different than yours. But I think if I can continue to do that as well with other people,

whether it be a one-on-one meeting or to a mass audience, then we continue to create this childlike wonder in all of us. And I think that's beautiful what you're doing. So I want to acknowledge you for your gifts and for your awareness, your ability to see people.

It's really powerful. Thanks a lot. I appreciate that. The final question is, what's your definition of greatness? You know, it's interesting. I think that the definition, I don't have a definition

because I think that greatness is every individual with himself. No one from the outside can decide greatness or not greatness. Nobody can say that Napoleon was greatest than this guy or this guy. Maybe someone has done something small and that's greatness for him.

I think it's all relative. I think nobody can say he is greatness, this is not greatness. It's only between you and yourself and you can decide yourself if you're great or not. Lior, Souchard, thanks brother. All right. Appreciate it, man.

Thanks a lot. There you have it, my friends. Mind blown. Go watch the full video interview over at lewishouse.com slash 673. Check out the show notes with everything else. Make sure to follow Lior. Check out his books and all that other good stuff we've got linked up at the show notes. Take a screenshot of this. Share it with your friends.

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All you got to do is go out there and do something great. Thank you.