The School of Greatness - A Comedian’s Approach To Insecurities, Self Doubt and Becoming The Best Performer w/Andrew Schulz EP 1234

Episode Date: February 28, 2022

Today’s guest is Andrew Schulz, one of the biggest stand-up comedians in the country who recently released his Netflix special, Schulz Saves America. Andrew is an actor, TV producer and co-host of the Flagrant 2 podcast. In this episode we discuss:How to transition your insecurities into confidence.How to become a stronger public speaker and performer.Why self-doubt is necessary to achieve greatness.How the comedy industry is constantly evolving.What you should do right now to launch your new career.And so much more! For more go to: www.lewishowes.com/1234Check out Andrew on tour: https://theandrewschulz.com/showsMel Robbins: The “Secret” Mindset Habit to Building Confidence and Overcoming Scarcity: https://link.chtbl.com/970-podDr. Joe Dispenza on Healing the Body and Transforming the Mind: https://link.chtbl.com/826-podMaster Your Mind and Defy the Odds with David Goggins: https://link.chtbl.com/715-pod   

This is episode number 1,234 with Andrew Schultz. Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin. Welcome back, my friend. Today's guest is Andrew Schultz, who is one of the biggest stand-up

comedians in the country who recently released his Netflix special, Schultz Saves America. And Andrew is an actor, TV producer, and co-host of the Flagrid 2 podcast. He's hitting the road for another US tour, so make sure to visit his website, check him out on social media to catch him in a city near you. In this episode, we dive in, and I love this conversation with Andrew. I just love talking with comedians

who are so creative and able to connect with people in a unique way. And in this episode, we discuss how to transition your insecurities into confidence, how to become a stronger public speaker and performer on stages, why self-doubt is necessary to achieve greatness, which I thought was interesting for his point of view, how the comedy industry is constantly evolving, what you should do right now to launch your new career, and so much more. If you're enjoying this or inspired by this in any way, make sure to share this with others. You can post it

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cardio or do a quick 15-minute total body class before work. Stay motivated while having fun with bike workouts, yoga, meditation, dance, cardio, and more. And I want to see you achieve your goals. Visit onepeloton.com to learn more. That's O-N-E-P-E-L-O-T-O-N.com. You like to do the challenging thing, like on stage. Not the thing that you know is going to get the biggest laugh. Yeah. But the thing that's the most challenging that you'll think is really interesting. And hopefully people think it is too. And if you can get them thing that's the most challenging that you'll think is really interesting and hopefully people think it is too And if you can get them to laugh on the most challenging thing, then you're like that what lights you up, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's like I look at it kind of like a you know, like diving the Olympics

Yeah, I might use that you did it for it. Yeah, not just anyone can dive in the pool But yeah, it's like it's not only diving where there's no splash It's also like what do you do before like it's all how many flips are you gonna do how many spins so like you're getting rated not only how you enter the water but how difficult the trick was before you enter and that's kind of how i look at like a joke or a premise or anything i'm like okay what's what is the most touchy subject that i could possibly talk about and how can i make that funny for a group of people that should feel like it's touchy yeah like that that's awesome that you feel that way and it took me a while to learn this but like when a crowd like is a little hesitant to laugh like they're kind of doing

the right social thing but they really want to laugh they might want to laugh but like socially they're being considerate of other people right and like i would like that behavior on the street you know it's easy for us comics to get upset but like oh why are you guys awing or why are you guys uncomfortable or why are you guys acting so woke etc but like realistically that behavior if you're just like walking down the street and you saw somebody saying opinions that are a little bit wild like outside of the comedy club setting you'd probably want to protect the person that might feel uncomfortable. So I don't really like have as much animosity

for them as I used to. But I still want them to feel uncomfortable. That is my place of comfort. Why do you want people to feel uncomfortable? I don't know. But it is, I love that. I love the discomfort, I love the tension, I just love it. The more tension, the better.

What's the thing that's hard for you in your life to be uncomfortable with? What's hard for me to be uncomfortable with? Since that's comfortable, that's your comfort zone. Yes. Making an audience uncomfortable. Yes. Where are you most uncomfortable in your life? Well, let me clarify. The release of tension should be this great comfort. And that's where the laugh comes from for them. Right. And like, as, as my, as my career has begun to begun to grow and flourish if you will i have a much different relationship with the audience so like now when they come they know they know and i just want to give them the best show ever right like i just want them i'm just so grateful for them but

earlier in my career when i didn't know them and they were like hesitant to laugh about touchy topics and i was angry at them right and i like, how can I manipulate you into laughing at this thing you would never want to laugh at? This is the only thing that I hated about comedy my whole career was the first few minutes establishing who you are. It's the only time I felt like a clown. How would you do it? You have to make them feel safe. So it's like, how do I, I know what to say to get everybody in the audience to like me, but if that's not me, then they're not liking.

Authentically who you are. Yeah. What is the thing you'd say to get them to like you that wasn't you? Just like some random joke that you're kind of like, whatever, or? Yeah. Like there's like, you know, if you're in certain markets, there are things that you can say that like, just those people tend to agree with, but's no fun so it's like how do i speak about them in a way that they feel like they're understood but i'm still pushing back and i think that's kind of where i developed this style of like kind of digging in and like understanding like nuance about each one of these like cultures or people or cities etc because I could rip apart a city

if I knew things I wasn't supposed to. Right. And I was like, oh, this is cool. This is like, this is like almost like a cheat code. Yeah. Like I can make fun of you now. You're safe with me. You know what I'm saying?

Like you feel safe because you know that I took enough time to learn that about you. To research it. Yeah. And then you feel like represented. And that's like a really cool thing that I didn't realize. Represented even on the worst stuff about you? Yeah. because a lot of times you're proud of that too you know like give me an example what's a city or like a culture or something that you could reference that you were like i researched this thing about seattle or whatever i don't know and god i'm trying to

think detroit or chicago or you know wherever it is the south i don't know yeah i'm trying to think. Detroit or Chicago or wherever it is, the South, I don't know. Yeah, I'm trying to think like something that I was doing, like something that I was like, a place I was at recently. I was thinking of Portland. You were at the, in Portland you were on Instagram, you were at the marching, right? There was some love. Oh, Seattle.

Seattle. Yeah, they were just like freaking out. No, Portland wants to be Seattle. And I had like a big beef with Portland. Like I went there and it was like a big, it was like a, yeah, we had like an issue, but we got through it. And it was fun. But like that was also fun. It was like figuring out ways to make fun of Portland that they could also appreciate.

And I think that they're like, oh, okay, he knows these things about us. Okay, I feel comfortable enough to like laugh with you. He gets us. Yeah, like there's something. And it's interesting like putting out the clips. Like one in, when I was in Florida, we were living in Florida during the pandemic for a while. And I had this joke about how Cubans become like conservative Republicans like the second they land. But they're like

immigrants they're minorities and the second that that foot is dry there's like a wet foot dry foot rule it's just the rule like if you touch the land you're good you're you're american you're and uh they're just like immediately conservative republicans like we need to stop the immigration there's too many people and uh the second they get here it's like there's too many people. All right. And the second they get here, it's like there's too many people. That's funny. And it's funny to see that joke get shared within that community. And that's the beauty of social media.

Back in the day, if you did a special on HBO or something like that, they couldn't just take that one little thing and share it with their grandmas and grandpas and all their cousins

that they do that exact thing. Now, you see the joke go viral on TikTok or Instagram because it's so easy to access. What do you think was the skill that you learned that gave you the most confidence on stages? I think it's probably like watching my dad interact with people. Whoever he was talking to was the most interesting person

that he'd ever met. The bus boy could pick up all the plates, and he'd just be like, how did you do that? Like he'd literally be baffled. How did you get all those plates? And like he'd find out about people. And like at the beginning, sometimes people thought like he was like trolling them.

And then they realized it was genuine. And like, I don't know, he just has a skill to like make people feel good, but he's doing it because he's curious. So he just learned so much about people and he'd ask all these questions and like I could see him just like break down people's walls. And that kind of worked with me and I was, I think that that curiosity translates to

stage. And if there's one thing that I wish that I was able to do more of now is just like interact with strangers. You don't do that? It's, it's, I just have less time to do it. You know, like I have a just have less time to do it. I have a wife. I have a career that's crazy busy.

I have a team of guys. So I'm interacting with the people that I know. But I want to interact with, that's what I was saying earlier, I just love a conversation. I want to talk to the Uber driver. I want to talk to the guy at TSA. I want to talk to the guy that I'm sitting next to on the plane. I want to have these conversations with these people. And then, you know, sometimes they're fruitful and all I need is like one nugget of information and that can, you know, last a lifetime. What's the biggest insecurity or fear that you had to overcome? For standup? Just in life. In life. Yeah. It wasn't like so crippling. Like I remember like

going to college for the first time and like feeling insecure. Like I never felt like that in like some sort of school environment. Like I never felt that. Like I would just stop the class. If I didn't understand anything, something, like nobody's moving on. Like that was. They're like, wait a minute, teacher, I don't understand this. I don't understand it.

That was my philosophy. And looking back on it, I was like, wow, like where did this come from? Like why did you think that it was important for you to say things like that and to understand things? And then in college, for the first time, I was hesitant to raise my hand in one of these big lecture halls. I didn't understand that participation was 10% of your grade and you wouldn't just raise your hand every day. The teacher would have to force you to talk. I'm like, dude, it's so easy. You just raise your hand.

Who cares? I didn't care what anybody felt about me. That's amazing. I never raised my hand. Really? I was too embarrassed and scared. I was just bad at school. Interesting.

And so I was just, you know, I never wanted to look stupid in front of others. Yeah. And thinking of, it's funny now because all I do now is ask dumb questions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That I wish I would have asked when I was younger. Yeah. And I'm like, this is a really dumb question. But then I'll have people message me. literally send me voice notes or messages on Instagram

and be like, I'm so glad you asked that question. Yeah. And I was thinking of that follow-up question that you asked, but I never ask questions in school. I never preface it with, this is a dumb question. Well, yeah. Don't do that. I don't say that now.

Oh, but you're thinking it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm thinking this is a basic question. And I don't know the answer, but I'm just curious to know why this. Yeah, yeah. But I just always felt like people would make fun of me if I raised my hand and asked them. I feel like I was better than them at making fun. That's good.

So it was just like, yeah, so it was just like I wasn't worried about being picked on because, like, I'm good at that. Right. You were witty. You were quick with it. Yeah, like I grew up with, like, Scottish women. So I just had to find a way to keep up. And then I think once I was able to kind of keep up with them, I was like, okay, I got this no matter what. And then I was just kind of like my parent and that I give that all the credit to my parents. Like we had dinner every night and they just listened to me. And I think when you just listen to a kid, they start to feel like their words

matter and what they have to say matters. And I think if you don't to a kid, they start to feel like their words matter and what they have to say matters. And I think if you don't listen to them, they go, why does anything I say important at all? If the people that love me more than anything in the world don't even care what I say, why would a stranger care? I really think as I look back, I think that's where it came from. Like every day, that was like my open mic. We sat down. How was your day? This happened.

My dad's laughing. My mom This happened. My dad's laughing. My mom's laughing. My brother's laughing. And it was just like, I mean, I would sit down at dinner like, I'm about to bring it. Y'all ready? You got your hat up or tips. Yeah. I don't know.

I guess I had that confidence. Even when I would go through therapy or something like that, I'd walk into therapy and I'd have the session and I'd walk out like, that was your best. You just had a great, do I have to pay you? Do I have to pay you?

Yeah, come on, be honest. What are we doing here? Now, that doesn't, now there is a, I guess what I'm saying is there's a balance. So in order to be great,

you need to have a crippling anxiety about your skill level, I think. Not crippling, but you need to have like intense scrutiny. And you also need to have the confidence to do more, right? So it's just this like crazy balance. Like you need to have the confidence to say something and you need to have the insecurity to improve. And that balance I have. Like I'll be. Not think you're the best and you don't need to have the insecurity to improve and that balance i have like i'll be not think you're the best and you don't need to work on yourself exactly that is

the worst those are the worst people so it's like think you can be the best and there are moments where you're like yeah i'm the best and then there's other moments where you look at your thing and be like oh i can make that better like there's nothing that i've ever looked at that i've gone i can make that better I can't make that better. Everything I nitpick at, oh, you got to take me out of the room sometimes. Like a hundred percent. That's the beauty of stage. Like that's why I need the crowd.

The crowd lets me know if it works, you know, like the crowd, if they're just going crazy and they're losing it, I go, okay, that is funny enough. What if they're all, you know, choking on their laughter, they're crying, they're losing it, I go, okay, that is funny enough. What if they're all choking on their laughter, they're crying, they're on the floor because they can't hold themselves up. Everyone is on the floor dying of laughter. And you're gonna say to yourself, I could have been better? Well, it depends.

I mean, it depends, maybe not. I'd be like, okay, maybe that joke is getting enough right there. Or this pause is. But the whole set, you could have done something. I guess what I'm saying is there's a ridiculous, I don't even know if the word is insecurity, but it is, yeah, sometimes I'll watch things and I'll be like, oh, I'm insecure

about how I could look right there. But it's more of just a brutal honesty and a high expectation for greatness. So it's like, this is what I believe greatness is, and this is where I think that joke is or my performance is or that bit is. And it's like, what can I believe greatness is, and this is where I think that joke is or my performance is or that bit is. And it's like what can I do to get there? And to be honest, sometimes it's like so – I can be so harsh.

I have to not watch for a little. Right, right, right. Let the stew cook a little bit because if I just keep watching, I'm going to lose faith in it. Right. I have to like let the, it's almost like fake confidence put the air under my wings to get it to the point where it is good enough and then I can scrutinize it. But yeah, I've never had that feeling of like I shouldn't say this. Do you think a comedian can be truly great without being somewhat insecure? No. No.

Because you won't get better. You need insecurity. I'm like grateful for it. Like you need the insecurity. You need to look at somebody and be like, oh, they do this better than me. I need to get better than them.

I remember seeing the comics like this guy is unbelievable. Another level. Yeah. Like I remember the first time I saw Patrice O'Neill he was the only comic I've ever seen live

and I've seen them all that I was like, I don't even like saying these things out loud. Cause I, once I say something that can happen, but it was the only comic that I ever saw where I was like, I'm not even gonna say it out loud,

but because I don't believe in that. But like, I mean, I believe in that very much, but I don't want to put, but I was like, this is going to be hard to be better than him. That's,

that's kind of how I feel. That's a standard you have to get to, yeah. Yeah. And now there's multiple things going on. There are comics that are so great at what they do, and it would be really hard to get better than them. They just might not have had the style that I want to be great at. Yeah.

So they're great at what they do. I just don't want to do that. You can appreciate it, but you're like, I'm not in that league. Absolutely. It's a different league. It's not what I do. It's a different type of art that. You can appreciate it, but you're like, I'm not in that league. Absolutely. It's a different league. It's not what I do. It's a different type of art, you know?

Yeah, you're playing football, they're playing handball. Exactly. Yeah, handball. Who plays handball? Who dedicates a decade

of their life to handball? Me, yeah. But yeah, so yeah, it's interesting. The confidence thing is interesting.

When have you been the most insecure? When you were starting out and trying to figure things out in the middle of your career? Obviously, maybe you're more in the middle now, but I mean, or towards this stage of your career, what part have you been the most insecure? It fluctuates, right? Like I've always balanced. I've always had like methods to like maintain self-esteem because I recognize like I was the best version of myself when I felt good about myself. What are these methods? I mean like even

as a kid I was like really curious about it like I looked into it like as a kid I don't know where I even got this idea but as a kid I'm talking about like young like 70 maybe middle school or something like that if I had a negative thought about myself i would tell myself three positive things and i think you know what it was i had like i had like an acute interest in this because both of my parents battled depression so i was way more aware of depression and way more aware of it's probably part of the reason why I'm a comic. Like, I just love making my dad laugh, you know? And I was like, I didn't realize that like, there was a difference between depression and just not having fun. So I thought like,

I remember when he'd be like dealing with depression, I'd take him to like the comedy cellar and I'd be like, Hey, look, you're going to laugh. So now everything's good. Yeah. Because in my mind it was like, all I need to do is be with my boys and laugh and then everything's fine. And like, so I need to do is be with my boys and laugh. And then everything's fine. And like, so I would do those things. What was another method for developing self-esteem? So like, as I got into stand-up, right, it was brutal because you do these horrible shows.

And you just do bad. No one's laughing. And you're trying to develop your voice and all that kind of stuff. What do I need to maintain, like, the self-esteem necessary to continue going? maintain like the self-esteem necessary to continue going and i basically said i need one great show a month to remind me that i should do this how many shows were you doing a month i mean i could be doing you know five six seven eight a week but i needed one where there was like an audience and i did a good job and i killed and it was just enough like oxygen it was enough like you ever played those like car racing games where you pass a checkpoint you get 25 more seconds like yes that's I needed one of those a month and then I needed to reflect on improvement so I think that

like one thing with me is I would get so used to improvement that I wouldn't count it towards my self-esteem right like I'm the type of that I wouldn't count it towards my self-esteem, right? Like I'm the type of person, I don't get excited before something happens. And then after it happens, I don't celebrate it for that long because we got another thing to do. So my like celebration window is small, right? My joy matrix is the journey. Like I like working together. I like achieving these things, et cetera, but then there's always another thing that we move towards, right? So I had to sit there and be like, okay, well, back in the day, you didn't have a joke that you could open with. You had to get lucky that something would happen and you were interacting

and the audience liked you. Now you have a joke that no matter what gets a laugh when you walk on stage. And I'd be like, oh, that is an improvement. And then the next moment, you have a closer. The reflection of the improvement built its self-esteem. Not just, okay, it's a little better and I'm going to keep go, go, go. It's like, hey, now I know that I can always get someone to laugh every time I go on stage. It's easy to just go,

oh yeah, you're more comfortable. What does that mean? No, you have the ability to go on stage and do a joke and like execute it. And you have a closer. You have this certain thing. You were able to develop this premise into a joke. And like, just remembering that I was improving,

even though it was a brutal process, right? How long did it, so you're doing what? 15, 20 shows a month sometimes. And you're like, if I get one decent show, it's a win and I'll keep going. But if you want three months where no one's laughing and just bombing, you're probably like, I'm done. Yeah, I don't know if I ever would have quit something that I loved, but there is a chance that I wouldn't love it.

Well, if it's not fun. Yeah, exactly. Why would you? Yeah, it's tough. Yeah. Interesting. Was there another strategy you used? I like these two.

I would just be like really perceptive about like the different things. I mean, I'm so like in my head about these things. I'd be like, ooh, when I wear a hat, am I looked at different? Is this haircut different? Does this match? Does wearing this outfit change things? And like, of course, it's like, oh, yeah, I wore this sweatshirt on set. I need to wear sweatshirts.

That's the thing. Like, I was constantly going through it and like starting to make sense of every little change that happened. And the reality is like most of these changes might have had nothing to do with it, right? These were like, you know, outliers. Baseball superstitions. Like, you're just wearing the same underwear over and over. That's it, 100%.

But I was aware enough to go, okay, you know what? Smiling when I first get on stage is pretty good. And it makes people feel comfortable and feel kind of safe, especially if I'm going to do like some wild joke. Oh, when I go right on stage saying something, immediately it might be good. I've always hated the first second on stage. Like the first minute, I hate, I think it's stupid.

Still today. No, now it's great because people know who I am. And they love it. They're like, ah, we love you. They're excited, exactly. Is it better to have the, what do they call them, the emcee or whoever is emceeing the show, is it better for them to give you a great introduction

or kind of like, all right, our next guy is a comedian from here and let's bring him on? Is it better to have some good context around, oh, he's been on Comedy Central, and he's been on here, and this HBO special, and it's kind of like building up, and then you're let down? I remember when I was younger, I went on stage after someone gave me a fake credit.

This happens a lot of times in comedy. What do you mean? When the host brings up a comic that they don't even know, they just say, you've seen him on HBO, Comedy Central. They might never have been on Comedy Central. It's just what it is.

But that was the first time anybody ever gave me that. And you knew you weren't on Comedy Central or whatever it was. But I was filled with so much confidence. And I just, now if I look back, maybe look at the recording, maybe I did absolutely horribly,

but in my mind, I walked up as if I had my own show on Comedy Central. And these just, now if I look back, maybe look at the recording, maybe I did absolutely horribly, but in my mind, I walked up as if I had my own show on Comedy Central. And these people should just enjoy it. That's interesting. You know, there's something that I did, a strategy that I did when I was playing sports. I had an alter ego that I would step into. It wasn't me. And I'd never done those things of the alter ego, but the alter ego had done the incredible things. And I would step into that as like, I got this, you know? And I would

lean into that. So I don't know if that's a psychological trick. You studied psychology in school, right? At Santa Barbara, is that right? Did you learn anything from your psychological studies that allowed you to not manipulate audiences, but tap into the psyche and the heart and the emotions of audiences? Or did you learn that from just like family dynamics? I think probably it was more, I mean, just psychology was just like a really fun thing to study. I knew I wasn't going to use my degree for anything. So I was like, let me enjoy what I'm learning about, maybe get some cool information I can use in conversation. It was great.

Talking to people about psychological principles is always awesome. And then seeing them reflected in yourself is really cool. So I just kind of enjoyed it. I'm sure some of that has trickled into the comedy. It has to have. But in terms of going, I'm going to turn psychology into comedy, I don't think that that was ever a perspective. When did you have the idea that you wanted to do comedy as a full-time profession?

Not just like, I think I want to try this on the side and see how it goes. I think when I moved back to New York, I started managing a restaurant back in New York. And I was like, this is not for me. And I started doing comedy again. And I think something just clicked back in New York where I was like, I think I'm going to do this. At like 22, 23? I think I was like 23 this is not for me. And I started doing comedy again. And I think something just clicked back in New York where I was like, I think I'm going to do this. At like 22, 23? I think I was like 23.

Wow. Yeah. And I was like, maybe 23 or something like that. I was like, I think I'm going to do this. And then I just get obsessed. I almost missed that obsession. I had like an insane obsession. I mean, dude. Tell me more.

I mean, just read every book. I would transcribe every set. Like I'm sure somewhere there's notebooks of literally like handwritten every word that Chris Rock would say in a whole special. Dave Chappelle would say in a whole special. You would record it all down and read a book at it. So I could see how the jokes were broken down. The structure, the framework, the setup, everything. Yeah.

The plot twist, all of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, this is a story. Oh, this is something that isn't real. Oh, this is misdirection that doesn't make sense. This is misdirection that still operates in reality. Ooh, wow. Misdirection that operates in reality is actually more fun because it's something that actually could happen.

Ooh, I kind of like that. Oh, this isn't misdirection. This is more like using words that are kind of like fun and creating good imagery like just really breaking down what these different jokes are the science of the set yeah i need to learn the language kind of like spanish like i need to learn the math of it first and then i could break that how long were you obsessed for doing that type of you know research i mean like i would rewrite my set every single night like i is this for years is this for six months is this years i mean just like so competitive wow so obsessed i mean like i i

had an i'd like i know this sounds like weird and i'm not comparing myself to michael jordan or anything but like watching the last dance and seeing like the the like psychosis he almost had like in terms of how he treated people that he had beef with. Like I used to carry a card in my wallet of the people who were mean to me. Come on. Swear to God. Like of all the people in comedy that were mean to me, I had their names on a card. What would you do with that information?

The beautiful thing about like. Was this the chip on your shoulder that you were wearing? Yeah, yeah. See, what would you look at? Even to today, I have beefs that aren aren't real but in my head they're real like everything in that doc about just like what motivated him and what he needed to do to like turn it on like his ability i for me what i understood about the documentary was like he has the ability to turn on the switch we talk about this me and my boys like some people can't turn on the switch right and like he could turn it on and he would do it every

game it's crazy man some people can turn on for the playoffs but he could turn it on and he would do it every game it's crazy man some people can turn it on for the playoffs but he could do it every single game if he wanted to and that's like it's like tom brady tom could do it every game i would say that that is like a competitive advantage i have like if i if it needs to get turned on it can get turned on like when we did that netflix special i mean we were working maybe like 120 hours a week or something it was insane i've never worked that hard in my life. It killed me. I won't work that hard again unless I get paid $100 million. Right.

Like, it was, now I should have outsourced more. Like, I had guys, shout out to Mark Gagnon, who co-created with me, Robbie Slovic, who's a great comic, and F.A. Ilgai, who we brought on as well. But like,

what we should have done is had a robust writing team, like all these shows have. A had a robust writing team like all these shows have team yeah exactly for me i lost all the anger like i have no resentment to anybody who's a dick to me at all if anything you just feel a little bad because they're still in that same position interesting and they needed to be a dick to someone who was like young and excited about comedy interesting yeah so do you have any anger towards anyone now beef with anyone i'm sure you're sure yeah you don't have a list anywhere.

You just have it in the back of your head. It's a mental list. It's always up here. That's good motivation for me, yeah. But I feel like the comedy world, kind of like, I feel like in my industry of people creating,

you know, content that's trying to further people along, like personal growth content. Yeah. At least from my standpoint i feel like i'm in collaboration with everyone like i'm gonna have everyone on my show and promote them i'm like i'm an abundance you know you got a book let's promote it you got this like cool i

don't care yeah it seems like there's a similar collaboration mindset absolutely comedians where you're all in the back room just kind of talking, sharing ideas. We're very competitive. We're very competitive. Really? But I think the first time you really saw this happen was on the West Coast when podcasts came out.

Yeah. And the West Coast comedians have always been more industrious because they have to. New York comedians can make a living doing stand-up at clubs. They can.

They can. And that's a rare thing. What's a living? 100 grand, 70 grand, 300 grand. 50 grand, maybe something like And that's a rare thing. What's a living? $100,000, $70,000, $300,000. $50,000 maybe, something like that. This is like three, four nights a week. No, this is seven nights a week they're working.

Doing spots. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now they're doing 15-minute spots around the city. They're collecting $100 here, $100 there, $100 there. They put together. They can make a living. But for a lot of comics, even if they don't realize it, they just want to make a living.

And what I always recognized was like, you'll never go further than what you dream. So like if your dream is just to make a living, you can't be the biggest act in the world. The goal is how I work the GPS. Like I have to say the thing, and then my brain just starts getting me there. What's the thing right now?

I want to find a way where comics can make just as much money by self-releasing their specials as they can doing it for networks. Because the self-release allows them to build up an audience that can be nurtured and turn into basically what I have. that can be nurtured and turn into basically what I have. When you talk about being collaborative, like I've always looked at my contribution in terms of like stand-up is, and just comedy in general, is like I'm going to find out where the voids are in the game and where we can kind of curate our own lives and like be in control of our own careers. And then I'm going to execute those and then I'm going to give it to all of you.

Teach. Teach everyone how to do it. This is for you. I tell everybody, sometimes young comedians come in, well, you're doing these things and we don't want to be the thing. And I'm like, it's for you.

Anything I do is for everybody. I think you just get comfortable. You just get comfortable in your space. You have a deal with Comedy Central and you think it's great to be on TV your space. You have a deal with Comedy Central and like you think it's great to be on TV. When I grew up, I did Comedy Central.

This is, like when I was coming up in stand-up, I thought I should have a sitcom. Why? Because that's what stand-ups did in the 80s.

And I was like, do I enjoy acting? No. Right. So I don't want a sitcom. But I had it. I did it. You know,

I did all the things that I wanted to do, but I realized this wasn't that much fun for me. So I had to focus on the things that were fun, and then those things would be the most fruitful. And basically what I've just been trying to do is go, hey, this is where the career is going, and this is where things are going, and you guys should do literally everything that I do, and then do it better than me, and then force me to think. So what would be the five-step approach for someone coming in right now? Like if you could only do five things to help further your career, is it one first master your craft of comedy?

Yeah, don't even worry about anything else besides getting funny. Once you figure that out, let's say, and you're like, okay, I'm ready to go out there in a bigger way, is it put your stuff on YouTube? YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, Create a presence for yourself. Yes. And use that algorithmic push. Okay. So once you do that, what would be the next three things to really accelerate their career?

Literally. You've gotten funny. You're on social media putting your stuff out there. If you're genuinely funny, what I would say is undeniable. Yes. And there are different levels of funny. Some people are funny in some weird bar in Brooklyn. Right.

But are they funny at the New York Comedy Club? Are they funny at the Comedy Cellar? Right? Like, if you're undeniably funny, and we all know who those people are. Like, if you're not even, like, that's the thing. We all talk about, like, who our favorite comics are and blah, blah, blah. If you're not killing, you're not in the discussion. Gotcha.

So, we know who kills, and we know who's like, oh, that's really clever. That's really funny. That one joke was funny, yeah. Killing or not. If you're killing and you have social media, there's nothing else you need to worry about. Everything else will come to you. That's it. That's it.

Just focus on that. We did all the hard work for you. It's all been done. Yes. Like, literally, if you're killing and you have social then what can you do how can you monetize from there and how how much could you monetize social media what happens is like i mean you could do obviously podcasts is great if you're good at podcasting but like a lot of people do podcasts a lot of them i mean how many comedians have a podcast every comedian has a million yes i mean, how many comedians have a podcast now? Every comedian has a podcast. A million? Yeah. I mean,

it's just, it will be a new form of social media. I love this because like, I think the more people that enter the genre, the more people listen

and watch and then those people see who the real ones are. Right. You rise to the top. Like, my school of greatness

will be nine years next week. Yeah. I don't know, when did you launch your show, your podcast? Well, dude, I've been doing Brilliant Idiots with Charlemagne the God.

Yeah, he's great. I've had him on. He's the man, dude. He's awesome. He is truly great. He is truly great. Yes. And I don't know.

But we were early in podcasting. Early. Early. So around me, nine years ago, you think? I would say around. I think, yeah. 2013, January is when I was. Anyways, I would say it was the second wave.

Rogan was obviously the first big wave. And like the tech podcasts. Marc Maron, too. Marc Maron. But then it was like tech podcasts, and that was pretty much it. It was a few. Yeah. I kind of came like second wave, maybe 2.5.

And then Serial came, which brought the wave of everything else, of true crime. Adnan Saeed. And then a lot of the comedian podcasts and business podcasts and interview shows and political stuff came in probably five, six, seven years ago as well. And I remember thinking, oh gosh,

is this going to get too saturated? But really what it did is it just brought in more audiences to find the best stuff and so if you're willing to be consistent and kept improving then you'll be fine i learned that from my from my mom and maybe that's why i'm so generous with like the guys and i like make it on on the internet but like my mom would have this dance studio and she had all these teachers literally every dance school in new york is started by someone who used to work for my mom and dad right and then they started their own school and i was like doesn't that bother you that like they're taking the students whatever and they're like no it's great and i was like why he's like well one competition is great for business and

two more people can go do it and that's the natural course of things like they had no resentment like there's certain people who i'm gonna sign you to a non-compete and you can't do this and oh you you train people at my gym And if you leave my gym, I'm gonna sue you you have to pay me $50,000 to go train people like this stuff really happens Yeah, and my parents were just like no just go do your thing and have fun and and and They'd still like hang out with them Wow, and and I think there's something about that. Would you do that if you had like this young like comedic mentee and then you brought them up and then they went and did their own thing? I want, look, in the ideal scenario, I want them to be able to do everything that they want and help them.

Like I don't think like, the way I look at these things is like, how can we all do and accomplish our greatest dreams, right? And then what I want to do is create, like, the Avengers crew and eventually go, yo, once every three years, like, we're going to put out another special like we did. Or once every two years, we're going to make a movie together. And then in between, they're doing their cool projects. They're putting out their specials. You know, they're mentoring other people. But, like, the people that I curate, like, I have a tight-knit group and these are my guys and i plan

on working with them until i'm done working these guys go on tour with you right yeah about yeah so they go on tour with me and uh well akash has his own tour right now yeah but mark is opening up for me and mark eventually will have his own tour but like when when we do arenas, I want Mark there and I want Akash there. You know what I mean? And Derek is opening for us as well. And like I want him there. Like these are the guys that I want to build with. Yeah.

But I also want them to achieve all their dreams as well. If they became, you know, five, ten times bigger than you, how would that make you feel? Great. Awesome. Yeah, this is the game. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like now there's going to be a part of me that's gonna go hey i want to get bigger too how do i do it depending on where i am in in career like if i see somebody doing something really good and i and i want to also do it of course just as i'm sure like them seeing me inspires them to do it but like yeah this is this is the game man 100 how do you think it'll change in the next two years, by 2024? Where will the industry of comedy be? What will have changed? What will stay the same?

And where will you guys be innovating? I think we'll figure out a way to make money. Because right now, everybody's putting their specials on YouTube. For free or they're charging? For free. For free. And they're just making money on ads? No money.

You make money on the road. So you build the audience and you sell tickets you sell tickets it's like old music model that's kind of how i'm like modeled the stand-up thing i was like okay what's going on here oh okay all these artists back in the day they didn't make many money off the albums really they would make money when they would tour and do these arenas i was like oh well we can make money by touring how can i get people out okay i give them, and then they'll come out because they like the content. And I would say the biggest fundamental change, like maybe my influence on stand-up, it's probably looked at from the outside as like,

oh, this is like the social media era. But I would say like the actual fundamental change in stand-up is the way that we approach our material. We used to look at our material as this thing we hoard and then put out for a special. Now we look at our material as marketing for us. Right. And that is a big shift. Why do people hoard so much? Because they didn't think they could recreate new jokes all the time?

There was no incentive not to put it. There was no place to put it out. So you might as well hoard it, right? And then have all of that material material and then when you get asked to do a special use it then you do it but like there wasn't a place to even put it like you could have put it i guess on instagram or facebook and that kind of stuff but there wasn't like the thirst for video content and then all of a sudden video content started to get more popular and we figured some things out but like that would be the biggest fundamental change i think that has happened in stand-up at least my influence. It was just how we look at our material.

You want people to come out to your show? Is it because your face is like this on a flyer? Or is it because you're doing a joke? Making people laugh at home or on the, yeah, wherever. Yeah, like these people, it's so funny. Like these people do like promos for their specials that don't have stand-up. And it's like, buddy, if I'm going to go to a restaurant, you've got to show me what the food looks like, right? I'm not going there because there's a picture of the chef going.

Yeah, and if a friend's like, oh, I bought a ticket to see, you know, Andrew's special in L.A. tonight, and they're showing their friend, oh, who is this guy? Well, let me show him Instagram real quick. Oh, it's pretty funny. This looks like it'd be fun. That's the whole reason why I started selling tickets is because it was easy to justify it to your friends. Hey, you want to go this comic book Well, who is he one send button one clip check out this funny clip. I've got a million views by the way Everyone's laughing and what if I got?

Hundreds of clips that have a million views and each one of those clips could pertain to a different person So if you're Cuban, there's this Cuban if you're Bosnian, there's this Bosnian. This happened by luck. Not everything that we're doing. When did this start happening this way? Like, okay. What year was this? So I put out, none of the industry wanted to give me opportunity for a special, so I decided to put it out online.

What year? Maybe 2016 or something like that. I can look back. So seven years ago. Six years ago, seven years ago. And sometimes you get lucky when you do the right thing. Everybody successful is lucky. You know, like even Bezos.

Like they had that Amazon Web Services business. Like I think I was listening to him talk about that. That was like the biggest. They had that for seven years or something like that with no competitor. Name a business that you can be making tens of millions of dollars where no one even enters the market. Tens of billions or something. Yeah. And even to this day, that's where they make so much of their money.

So he'll be like, yo, we got so lucky with it. He had an obsession for 20 years, which you had an obsession for 15, 18 years. It takes both. What happened was this. So the first one I put out was this. It was like a night in New York, right? It was like, I don't want to, here I am in front of the curtain, like whatever. It's just so everything's the same, right? So I was like, what if you followed around a comedian for a night in New York? You can't put out a video that's going to make multiple seven figures,

right? One video. One video. Yes. Yeah. It's the accumulation will make seven figures, but your one video. Which is what you would have got on a special. Like you're going to make a million bucks or three million on this Netflix, on this HBO Showtime special. So the last one that I, the one that I sold before the pandemic that is going to come out, I sold it. I got paid a 1.1 for it, right? Which was before the pandemic. Which before you became way bigger than you were which was before the pandemic was before he became a mass way bigger

than you were yeah the pandemic was awesome like you would have gotten that deal now they got a good deal put it that way they got an amazing they got an amazing deal so that one right there i'm like network is this coming out i can't exactly talk about it's not out yet we'll talk we'll talk okay so anyways yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got that before the pandemic. So, yeah, so that was before the pandemic, and then I filmed that in, like, September in Austin, and then, so we're just finishing up the edit for that now. But that special, I'm going, okay, 1.1. Okay, that's great.

Let's see if I can, how do I make a million dollars off a special without a network? Because that's my whole thing with, like, leveraging the game. Like, I know I'm not one of one of like the insiders, right? Like and everybody wants to reward the people that they helped build. And I think it's a natural thing. Like if I was at a network and I invested time into these like actors or like comics,

like I would want them to blow up because their reflection of me is like a talent scout, right? Now I'm in the position where like I don't want my career to be in your hands. Yes. My career is in my hands. We have the team, everybody who works for it is in it. We do it. And the way that you get deals done when your career is in your hands is it has to be

the best thing that's out. And then the network- Undeniably funny. Undeniably funny. And then the net, and you need Scooter Brown to also- Scooter Scooter Brown to also call and say, we'll do whatever you want. Ted Sarandos. Book it. But it has to be undeniable.

And you have some people that are in some high places that recognize that it's undeniable. And then all of a sudden these things get made. And I'm okay with that. I'd rather that. Because I can control undeniable. I can't control whether you like me or not or what metric you're using to decide or how much you put it up, et cetera. So I'm all about working with the industry. We can do this, et cetera.

This is great. But I want to find a way where I can get a comic to make a million dollars off of their special. Without being with the network. By putting it on YouTube. Because if we can make a million dollars on YouTube, what are you going to pay me at Netflix? Right? What are you going to pay me? You're going to pay me 510X. TikTok, yo. So I don't know if it's a combination of advertising, a bunch of other different things. We've got ideas and this is kind of like what we're working on. But like, how amazing would that be for a young comic whose only option is now YouTube, but YouTube slash social media, Instagram, et cetera.

But now that becomes the most lucrative option. If you did a global one night event only virtually, how many tickets do you think you could sell under 50 bucks? Who knows? Who knows? I think you're thinking something good. This is pay-per-view is good. This is the number. You stream it live on YouTube to a premium service. Could do it. To a ticketed services. You could do it. And then you ask for donations during it. If you like it, enjoy it. You just add to the tip jar.

Yeah. More. Maybe you rent out some movie theaters. You put it out there so people can watch it in a packed theater with other people. Event. Or you just do it straight to YouTube and that's it. Straight to YouTube. You sell some merch with it.

Yeah. NFT play. You have some upsells. You have some VIP stuff. You make one night. You do some merch with it. Yeah. And you have some upsells. You have some VIP stuff. You make one night. You do it once a year. Yeah. And maybe you do it once a year or whatever you've been able to do it.

But, like, what if there was this model where comics could make an equal amount? And the most important part is everybody that then subscribes to their channels, they get to go tour with and, like, give them their new content. And now they have this connection with their audience, which is the most powerful thing that a creator can have now, right? Before it was, the network has a connection to the audience and the creator needs to be on the network so they can get the audience.

Now we can go around and I'd love doing business with them. Let's do business. Let's make movies. Let's make TV shows. Let's do all, this is great. But it's gotta be the other way. Other way.

I got the audience that you want now. You want people to subscribe to your network? Yeah and convince me Why should I go over there because I got millions of people I got 10 million people gonna watch it over here How many go watch it over there? Well, we can't guarantee. Well, you better figure it out Hey Give me 24 hours in there something yeah that's it like i that you can leverage for the next thing yeah i i just think that that is the most like my mom said it's like competition's good that's going to be good for netflix that's going to be good for hbl because what's going to happen

is and this is what happened in comedy there's way edgier comedy out right now because we have an avenue for it that's very successful because if they don't they're comparing it to the watered down stuff they're comparing like our stuff to the watered down stuff that was okay back in the day i mean one of the reasons why i think i blew up on youtube and stuff early is because like the only other comedy they were showing was on comedy central. And it was just a bunch of clean crap. And then you saw actual real jokes and you're like, this is way better than the garbage I'm seeing on Comedy Central. Sure. What's the difference between clean crap and authentic truth? Well, some people are authentically

clean. Yeah, like Brian Regan is just so funny. He's clean. He's just brilliant. he's clean right he's just he's just brilliant but i mean he's he's he's yeah he's just he he's he's he's never blue he's never cursing that kind of stuff but like there's like a passion in the bits that is like real yeah and they still find that really funny oh yeah like some of my favorite kind of like one of my favorite comics is ryan hamilton he's completely clean but he is just hilarious like i don't care if you're dirty or clean it's just who are you and like are you reflecting the material and do i like that person some people i just don't like who they are so i'm not gonna like their

comedy right right but if i like you as a guy or a girl and you're reflecting the material then like hell yeah you're you're down with it what would you say is the ultimate framework of a set if you had um if you could map out like the five parts i don't and i don't know anything about comedy is the ultimate framework of a set. If you had a, if you could map out like the five parts, and I don't know anything about comedy. You're talking about a live show or a special? A live show. If there is someone here that's like,

one of them be obsessed about your process and understand how you do it. And they wanted to research you and they listen to this or watch this. And I'm like, okay, here's how Andrew does this. He always starts with something and then it goes into a plot twist and then it goes into this this isn't how i'm acting to the audio i don't know what the lingo is i'm just this isn't how i necessarily would do it but i think like a great set would be especially like if you're on the road or in a different place i think

like some sort of acknowledgement of that city that you're in, that you're a fish out of water in, an acknowledgement in like a, in a cool, unique way, a joke that they've never heard about maybe the most popular thing in their city. So number one, acknowledge the city in a cool way. Some sort of interaction baked in with the audience that's just completely spontaneous and just fun and awesome and just really kind of brings everybody into this moment that they feel like will never happen again and is

just so exciting. When you get on stage and you're, are you observing the audience from the back before? Are you in another room hearing? I don't even like to hear anything that's on stage. Because you don't want to be influenced. I want to out completely blind blind yeah you won't even look to see the audience and like i might be a backstage watching the guys and like i'll peer in yeah but i'm not

like specifically like what do they say exactly and i have my guys that open for me so i know what they're going to do and i know our ideas won't cross when you're at a club in the city where you don't know who's on the show, that's where stuff you should probably watch a little bit. Because you don't want them to say the same thing. Yeah. Gotcha. Or even a topic.

Like, it's the same. It's just becomes redundant. We just heard this. Yeah. What about, do you have a certain approach to how you interact with the audience? Do you like, I look for shirt colors. I look for ethnicity. I look for couples.

I look, you know, are you thinking or is it just look for ethnicity, I look for couples, I look, are you thinking or is it just, it just comes to you? Yeah, it kind of just comes to me. I mean, I always like, I don't know, like I always just kind of remind myself to just like trust my gut. So like just say the thing that I'm feeling. That's good. No matter how weird or uncomfortable or awkward it is, like what are you feeling right now? And that works.

That truth works because other people are also curious about that. And especially when you're in a theater, it's a little bit different because everybody's lined up like this. You've got 3,000 people there. The people in the balcony can't see what the people in the front look like.

So when you're interacting with them, you also have to do a little bit more description for everybody there. Great context. But if you're in with them you also have to do a little bit more description for everybody there. Great context. But if you're in a nightclub and there's 100 people or 50 they can see that

guy's shirt, that guy's face. Everybody's so close. So that is a little bit faster, the interaction. You could even look at somebody

and just kind of be like, hmm. And everybody else will look and be like, laugh. Exactly. Just because they're like, I would say, hmm, if I looked at that guy too. Right? somebody and just kind of be like hmm and everybody else will look and be like laugh exactly just because they're like i would say if i looked at that guy too right like so much of comedy is just

like acknowledging this feeling that we all have or acknowledging things that are right in front of our face that we haven't seen yet you know and that's for me it's like what is the joke that everybody should have said but hasn't said? About the most popular thing even. So it's like, how can I get one of those for every single thing? That's the challenge. That's the fun. Okay, so that's the second part of the framework. Yeah, having just a great interaction.

Having great long bits. A lot of people that are unfamiliar with all my content don't know this about me, but like most of them know like the crowd work stuff, et cetera. And that's the stuff that I've been able to like put out there and people are laughing at it. But that's stuff that like I'm not using for the set. So I have an hour of jokes, but that's the stuff that I can give the audience. That's the first 15 minutes of just connection.

Or kind of like pepper through, but it was the only thing that i could give out every week if i gave out one of these bits that i've worked on for six months i'll run out because these bits for me when i do a bit it's a chunk it could be six minutes wow so it's like everything all encompassing in this topic six minutes eight minutes you. It's a full story. Yeah, like story or like an analysis of an idea, person, place, or thing from every angle justifying maybe the most absurd situation. Like the more absurd, the better. But that to me is like I need a few of those in the set where you go, oh, that bit, boom.

Oh, his abortion bit. Or, oh, his Michael Jackson bit. Like, a few of them in there where you're just like, you need to see his bit about this. Interesting. So two to three bits. Depending on how long. I mean, I have a bunch throughout,

but there has to be a few in there that are like. So memorable. You have to see it like that's the feeling i want you leaving going i mean i can't laugh at it that that was crazy that was crazy like that's how i would design the sets early on in my career i was just like even if you hated me for the first 45 minutes the last 15 minutes you should be crying wow because you have to leave on that, you know? Do you ever experience self-doubt at this level?

Yeah, of course, all the time. Before I go on, I'll feel that way. Like, is this joke even going to work? Yeah, of course. Are you nervous like the day before, the 20 minutes before, how long? Depends on the show, you know what I mean? Like sometimes the whole day I'm thinking about it. Sometimes I'm not thinking about anything at all.

It just depends, like the thing that I want thinking about it. Sometimes I'm not thinking about anything at all. Like it just depends. Like the thing that I want to accomplish, you know. Yeah. It depends. I put it this way. I'm much better to be around after. When you're done with the set, like, okay, it's over with. Yeah.

Don't hang out with me before. I'll come say hi to you after the show when I come watch you. Not like. I just leave everybody. And I just go into the green room and I just like. Focus. Focus. Think about what I want to talk about,

try to remember the things. And like, have you ever gone blank in the middle of a 60 minute? Yeah. All the time. What do you do when, when you're like, Oh,

I'm not hitting anything. I'm going blank. I'm just mumbling here. What's the best way to get back on track? One thing I'll do is I'll pretend like I had a thought. Like, so I'm giving you some game. So I'll do this. I'll pretend like I had a thought. Like, so,

I'm giving you some games. So, I'll be like, I'll be like, like, you know, I'll be like, see,

the thing is like, I can't, I can't. And then the audience is like, well, what is he thinking about? And I'm like, I don't know. But like,

I'll have like little games that I can play to like stretch out. Sure, sure. Yeah. How long we can take those silences. Do you think having self-doubt is a good thing before? Yes.

You need it. You need it. You need it. You need it. You need it. I mean, we talk so much about confidence, but self-doubt, you need both. It's the combination of self-doubt and confidence. Confident enough to do the thing and insecure or doubtful enough where you get better.

And without both, you cannot be great. I mean, if we're talking about greatness. Every great person has self-doubt. And that self-doubt is a massive motivator. But they have enough confidence to overcome it. I think it's the people who lack confidence and have the self-doubt that they can't do anything. They can't get out of their own way. And the people who have too much confidence and not have self-doubt just never really get that great. They're good. Like their lives are probably better. They're probably

happier. Like real talk, maybe they're happier, but I want to be great. And that requires constant criticism of yourself. Do you think a comedian can be a 10 out of 10 happy? I don't think people are. I would say I'm on the happy end of the comedian spectrum. You're generally a happy human being. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Put it this way. I don't feel

sad. I don't feel angry. I feel a lot of gratitude and a lot of joy. I feel angry. I feel a lot of gratitude and a lot of joy. And I feel stress, which I enjoy. And I feel like... So you're taking on big projects. Yeah.

And building things. And obviously there's disappointment and frustration. But I don't wake up going, I'm sad. And I understand that people do that and like i felt you know i've you know i felt like uh down or you come down off of certain big projects you know my parents bowed this and i imagine people deal with that every single day like that could be incredibly difficult to overcome i'm very lucky where i haven't felt it and i've tried to curate a life and habits to keep me away from like i need to do certain things.

I need to exercise. Like if I don't exercise, I'm a wreck. I need to be creating. If I'm on stage, that works. If I'm putting out clips or something like that, that works. Couldn't get on stage during the pandemic, but I felt very fulfilled by putting out content. And maybe I'm leaving myself in the hands of those people saying great job on instagram that's a little bit vulnerable but i at least felt like i was

doing something and i understood the recipe to like my own like mental wellness if you but yeah i i don't think that you should be happy all the time because then you're not happy you're just normal i think that yeah you should feel normal the time because then you're not happy. You're just normal. I think that, yeah, you should feel normal enough so when you're happy, you're really grateful. Yeah. You know, like. What are you most grateful for these days? Oh, God. All of it.

All of it. I got a great woman. What's the thing you love about her the most? She hates when I say this, but like there's like a great safety with her. I know that sounds like a great safety with her i know that sounds like a weird thing because you're supposed to be the one that's providing the safety but like there's like building with her feels i'm just so excited you know and that's not only like family but that's also like emotional connection like she's uh yeah, I mean, she just creates a great environment to, like, feel safe.

What did you not feel safe about before? With her? I mean, just before. I never really, like, almost immediately I felt, like, really safe with her. And by safe, I just mean, like, to go, I want to spend the rest of my life with you. Like, you got to love that person. And you got to love spending time with them. That's not to say that we don't, like, get in arguments.

But, like, genuinely speaking, like, if there isn't distraction and it's just the two of us hanging out, it's an awesome time. Life complicates things. But to me, I'm so grateful for that. And she's just awesome like so in tuned like you know with what like I might need

and I don't know I mean she's just so great she's just like that's beautiful yeah it's just like really selfless

in that way like super and I know that I require a lot especially given my career and stuff so like knowing somebody having somebody who's like

knows that and is like aware of that and like and wants to give and like wants to to support is just like you got to be grateful like just so yeah it's a weird i know it's a weird thing like being feeling safe but like that's really important to me yeah like i want to be able to share without being judged or made wrong or not accepted or all these things. Yeah. Like I just tell her everything. And she accepts it.

Yeah. That's beautiful. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if she accepts everything but like I just feel like I can share these things that,

you know, might, I might go like, I might with somebody else who I don't feel is safe be like, if I say that, will they not like me

or will they, you know, will they stop being in love with me or whatever. But like with her, I just really feel like I or will they stop being in love with me or whatever? But with her, I just really feel like I want to build her. Something about with my girlfriend too where when we first started dating, I was just – in my previous relationships, I would be 100% honest and they would get hurt or upset or not like something.

And then I would kind of like hold back 100% of the honesty because I was like this is going to make them freak out for the night or whatever, right? Yeah. And so when I started dating her, I was like, okay, Martha, listen. You're asking me a very vulnerable question now. Are you sure you want the truth? Yeah. Because every woman I've been with in the past said they want the truth,

but they couldn't handle the truth. Yeah. So I go, you sure? She goes, yes. You're not going to like it. She goes, I want to hear it. I go, you're not going to like it though. Yeah.

I'm just letting you know, but I'm going to not abandon myself from telling you how the truth yeah and i'd say it and she'd be like that's it i love that about you and so the more i was able to do that with her i was like man this feels safe so i know that feeling i've never felt safe in a previous relationship yeah and i'm like it feels amazing to be able to just say whatever i want to say yeah not something in a bad way i'm'm not saying something negative, but just say the truth. Yeah.

My truth. Yeah. And be like, yeah, okay. Yeah, I accept you. Yeah. It's incredible, man. Yeah, it's the best. It feels unbelievable.

Yeah, you get to be yourself. It's incredible. And if you have to live with someone for the rest of your life, you better be able to be yourself. You need that. Otherwise, it's going to be miserable. Yeah. You were mentioning about therapists.

Last year, and I talk about this on my show, but I went through a year of therapy. Okay. Every two weeks, minimum, for a year. I was getting out of another relationship that I was trying to make work with the therapy. It didn't work. Ended it, and I said, I'm going to stay in this and keep myself emotionally accountable to integrate the lessons I'm learning. So I don't repeat this because I've been repeating this for 15 years.

Yeah. And the consistent therapy was probably the most powerful gift I gave myself ever for one year. And I'm going to continue getting it for this year. Yeah, yeah. Incredible peace that I felt. How long have you done therapy for? You really treat life like sports. I do, man. It's great. Life, business, it's all sport. Yeah. But like, I don't know, the way that I've

like heard you talk about your life, it's like, okay, here's this thing. I'm going to figure out this thing. I'm going to practice this thing and I'm going to get great at this thing. I'm going to get feedback. Salsa. I did it for this amount of time. Handball. Even therapy. You're like, okay, I'm going to figure out this thing. It's really great. It's really good. It's great. But when did you first experience therapy? I think when I was like third grade or something.

Some teacher said that I should go to therapy. Something I was probably acting out. Okay. My parents were like, all right, go. Then I went. I don't really remember much from that. Do you do it now every now and then? Oh, God, I would love to, but I just don't.

But I would love to. I love it. Well, because you've got an amazing audience that just you think they should be paying you. Best. What is the best thing about therapy for you? Just vomiting, dude. Emotional vomiting. Yeah, emotional vomit.

And getting all these cool words that you then can use in arguments with your girl. You know what I mean? Give me an example. Like testing. You know that word? You'll test someone if you want them to fail. And also understanding why, like understanding the emotions behind your behavior. Sometimes I'll see a comic say something smarter

than who they are on stage. Like he got that from somebody for 200 an hour. That's it. But like, yeah, i think it's just awesome what was the biggest aha moment from therapy you've ever had i think i worked out some stuff with my mom in therapy you know like we always had like a kind of like interesting relationship but even that like i don't think it was therapy that really helped us with that just seeing my mom as like a like a person that's also flawed.

Yeah. You know? All of us parents are flawed. Yeah. Not expecting them to be perfect. Yeah. Yeah. The fact that she could need attention

and that could be important to her and her self-esteem. Right. And not just you needing it all the time. Yeah. Thinking like, I'm a kid it's it's about me and my brother what do you why do you need why do you need to talk to dad like you're done with that so and then like understanding that and like going okay i guess i can give you that gift the gift of attention and like i guess that kind of work but i just think therapy's great man just

talk to somebody i mean if you have friends and if you have family, like you already are doing it. There just might be certain things that you're too embarrassed to speak to your friends and family about. Well, we grew up in the 80s and 90s, and I was, for me, I don't know what it was like in New York. I'm assuming it wasn't that much different, unless you went to some like hippie preppy school or something.

Everyone was like kumbaya all day. But if I put my arm around a teammate of mine it's like hey what's up bro? Yeah. It was like get off me with some type of word. Yeah. Like if you said that

you were just made fun of. Yeah. And laughed at. At least for me. Yeah. And it was kind of the society of I guess young boys growing up

and I probably did the same thing to other kids because it was happening to me. Yeah. So you want to fit in. Yeah. Was that like that for you

or did you feel like you got to express your emotions and process things i mean i'm sure i went through that i'm sure you want like your friends to like you and that kind of stuff i don't remember too much trauma from like jokes and stuff yeah and i do remember my parents being like super open-minded and just like not they i felt no judgment from my parents that's amazing yeah and almost like not, I felt no judgment from my parents. That's amazing. Yeah. And almost like, like too little judgment. Like, like, like I was like, yeah, like I was a B student. If my parents required me to be an A student, I would have been an A student. Really?

Yeah. Like I just, I, I wanted to impress them, but I knew that they were like happy enough with like B's. So I was like, okay, I guess I that they were happy enough with Bs. So I was like, okay, I guess I'll just get Bs. I just worked towards it. Like, 85, I was fine. Who cares? It is what it is.

I just didn't care. Even when I took the SATs, I just wanted to get better than my friends. I didn't care what I got as long as it was more than my boys because then we'd have fun competition. Anytime I did well in class was literally just because I didn't like the teacher that's the only time like i was like i don't like you so i'm gonna do well in your class to spite you yes you know but like uh yeah my parents i think one of the advantages of not having expectations is you always exceed expectations right and there's confidence with that like you always feel like these people are proud of you and you're doing a great job you know what's the disadvantage of that?

You're not going as far as you can. I was very lucky where I had this kind of internal drive. If you don't have that, then it's dangerous. I had the freedom to just go out. I said that to my girl. I'm the type of person, I work

great with freedom. Don't give me any rules, I come back. You give me rules, I work great with freedom. Like, you don't give me any rules, I come back. Yes. You give me rules, I have to break them. I must break them. Did she try to create a rule early on that you? No, no. But, like, I just, like, I noticed when we were kind of getting together and starting to get a little more serious.

And I was like, you just got to trust me on this. Just, like, it's going in the right direction. I will not waste your time. I don't waste girls' time. I'm not going to waste your time. If I don't feel like it's going that direction, I'll tell you immediately. Let it flow the way you need it to flow. Not on a timeline, not a this, not a structure, a number or whatever.

Just let it go. Yeah. And then once we moved in together. The more freedom she gives you, the more you want to be with her. Exactly. 100%. And it's a really scary concept. It is.

Because the idea is like, go out, do whatever you want. But like, I enjoy doing the things that I do and being myself. The more I can do the things that I want to do and be myself, the more I appreciate the people that allow that to happen. 100%, man. This is my girlfriend. Every night I'm just like hugging her. I'm like, I appreciate you so much. Yeah.

You don't call me and say, what are you doing? You're not checking in on something. Yeah. I can be traveling, speaking somewhere, and you're just cool. And it makes me love and appreciate you abundantly. And I tell her all the time, I'm just so grateful for you. Well, also because I've experienced the opposite of the feeling of trappedness, which I take responsibility for.

I chose those. I stood in those relationships. But I think if women understood, if you find a good guy that you give that psychological freedom to, I'm not saying it's not okay to cross boundaries, but create the psychological freedom, it's amazing what we will do. It's really true. And if we're going to cheat, we're going to cheat. And then you move on.

Yeah, but it's not because you gave boundaries enough. You can't stop it. Yeah, that thing is going to cheat, we're going to cheat. And then you move on. Yeah, but like it's not because you gave boundaries enough. You can't stop it. Yeah, that thing is going to happen. So there's nothing really that you can do there. And I think that women view our cheating in the same way that they kind of view theirs. Like, you know, I think a lot of times a woman's cheating is a reflection of like not feeling fulfilled emotionally, right? There's like a void of love. And she's replacing that act of lust

this is like this momentary like serum for like a vampire like okay this will do for the moment i just want to feel desire because i'm not feeling that and i think a lot of times guys cheating is just like just insecurity and i just need to fluff my ego but you can get that ego fluffed you know what i mean like that ego can be fluffed at all but if you have a guy who's insecure yes you need to know that yes like you know if you guys insecure or not absolutely that's why for me i've known i don't feel like i have insecurity like well because she gives you all the she gives me tons of confidence tons of love and yeah but i'm also like okay if i don't know she's an actor so she's done scenes with Keanu Reeves and all the big people she's worked with, right? And they've all hit on her and all this stuff.

And I'm like, okay, if, I don't know, whatever. Keanu Reeves or someone came up to her now and starts hitting on her. Would I be insecure or jealous? I don't think I would be. No, not in front of you is crazy. I mean, whatever. Behind the scenes, that's nature. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, like. But I wouldn't be jealous. Because I'm like. You want to be? I would not be jealous. Oh, yeah, you can't be jealous. I don't think I would be. Because I'd be like, okay, if there's a better match for you.

Yeah. If that's a better life, then I want you to live a better life. I hear what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. I hear what you're saying, though. But if you don't see the value, like if your woman doesn't see the value you bring to her life. Yeah.

And she sees there's more value somewhere else and she's always thinking about it, then either be where you are now or go over there. Yeah. But don't be in between. Yeah. How has your craft been different in this type of relationship versus single or in previous relationships? I never changed my comedy depending on like the person I dated or if I was single. And I never did that. And it was probably because I was able to get laid before I did comedy.

Right. And I think that like I have empathy to the guy who never got laid before they were on stage. Like, yeah, use it, bro. Like, have fun. Like, wear the cape. Like, go for it. Sure, sure. But I just never felt like this was the only chance I was going to have to get laid.

So it was all about the jokes. It wasn't clever enough. It wasn't unique enough. Yeah, I didn't have the silliness. Like every joke starts with like a serious point, but that's what I'm always fighting for. Where's the silly thing? But like just having somebody on my team,

like literally having someone who's like wants me to succeed, wants to help me with the things that I need to get done, like wants me, you know, just in every single way. That is massive. That feels awesome. And it's still frustrating. We get arguments. And there'll be times where she's like it's late and i gotta fly out she's like what are we doing with all this cut and i just gotta be like hey listen

we're in this together and there's gonna be times where i gotta stay up late for you and it's time you guys stay up late for me but like it we're not boyfriend girlfriend we are married like we're a team now i go get this money this is our money who are the uh the three most inspiring comics today not like in the past but today that you whether you're friends with them and i'm assuming you guys all know each other but yeah that you're like man they're just and i know you don't want to ruffle feathers and not say certain people but if you like three you're like these have to be alive though that are working actively working in some way today i mean bill burr

it's just fantastic one thing one thing about each person so what's the thing about it bill burr just like found a way to like funnel his brutal honesty into like hilarious ideas and i think people really like that yeah and uh i like it and i just appreciate it yeah and uh uh dave chappelle is just like he's really mastered the art of storytelling there's people might argue oh i'm not laughing he's really interesting it's not as many like jokes per second or whatever like that but the art of literally a story no one does it better now you're on mount rushmore with these guys you know i mean i've always been a chris rock fan i know chris rock hasn't been as active as of late but like i've always just been a huge uh chris rock fan what's what's the thing he has that you love he just kind of like he

he got me on board with like kind of devil's advocate thinking like i always had those thoughts right but like he was the first person i saw like do them well and real and he was first person was like yo you could think of an argument that doesn't exactly make sense but it's funny so that's enough and i was like oh i love doing this i do this all the time i do this with my friends and like you know and the more somebody is like uh locked into an idea the more i want to like make that ground shaky and it's just fun for me so anytime he wants to kind of like pop in and and get busy with that he absolutely can't yeah i guess i guess i'm naming the ogs to be honest with you but

so you said on one's honesty the the honesty that he brings the other is a story and the other is the devil's advocate nature to it yeah it's just like the the ability to like make a cohesive argument for something that isn't a popular opinion right and bill burr does it great too but like rock i think for me was just the originator like yes i'm like fruit off of chris rock's tree and then like i found patrice and i was like oh that's the exact way that i want to do a model yeah like everybody else i was like oh i like how you guys do this because that's the thing i think with me is like it's hard you know usually with comics you can see like where they came from but i think one of the things with me is like it's hard

for people to go i don't know what he sounds like i don't know what he sounds like himself yeah maybe but i i'm like you just don't think i sound like that big fat black dude because i don't sound like him but i'm influenced so much by him and like he's dead. But like, for me, he's just the best. He's the best ever. Elephant in the room, go check it out on Netflix. That's cool. What's the thing, you know, that people are aware of and they see that they don't see,

what's the thing you'll be most proud of New Year's Eve and the 2022? Personally, a year married. That will be the 18th of December that would be for personal goal and then you know who knows man

like you never know what happens when you get married things happen my boy you know what I'm saying that's not happened

yet or anything but like you know that you never know you never know and so I would be

that's personally that would be very gratifying. Professionally, I have my buddy Akash Singh is going to be putting out his first special on YouTube. For free. Yeah, for free on YouTube. And he's also been putting out clips and he's also been doing, and that's my guy, podcast co-host, like my best friend in comedy. Yeah, yeah.

He's got a funny. So seeing him, thank you, man. But like seeing him like start to rise and like that would be very exciting to me like seeing his career take off in a similar way that happened for me that'd be really cool um dropping my special uh wherever we put it not sure where yet yeah well and maybe do we not tell me we know. And then, but like dropping my special, and then obviously the goal is after this special is like I want to be able to do, I don't want to do like an arena tour where every place I do an arena, but there are certain places I want to do an arena.

Like I'm doing Radio City. Yeah, I got to do MSG. Because I'm a kid from the city. Like I grew up. That'd be sick, man. I got to come to that. You got to come. Like we're doing Radio City. We're doing two at Radio City. Wow. That's up. That'd be sick, man. I got to come to that. You got to come. Like, we're doing Radio City.

We're doing two at Radio City. Wow. That's awesome. That's what, 15,000? What is that? I think that's going to be like 12,000. 12,000? Now, we could have done the garden at 12,000.

But here's the thing. But that's expensive. But like, that's just rental, right? But here's the thing. If I do the garden, I got to do it in the round. That's 19,000. That's sick. Yeah.

That's 19,000. Could you sell that out? What, Radio City? No, could you's 19,000. That's sick. Yeah, that's 19,000. Could you sell it out? What, Radio City? No, could you do 19,000? Not yet. I think after this next special, if what happens with the next special is what I think can happen,

then boom. That would be very awesome and like finding a time to, now I might not do that show within the next year. Maybe it would be a year after or something like that. But like working towards that,

that is, I want to do The Garden. Maybe Staples. Maybe a theater in Miami or something. Oh, you mean crypto.com now? is, I want to do the garden, maybe Staples, maybe a theater in Miami or something. Oh, you mean crypto.com now? Oh, that's right, crypto. The way people were like connected to Staples. Oh, it's 20 years of legacy, you know?

But like, it's a store, like, you know what I mean? Like they sell loose leaf, right? Like people are so furious. Like it wasn't called that before the store I know it was just a sponsorship it's so funny man

but yeah those would be so that'd be sick man yeah what's the biggest audience you've performed

in front of I did your own show or you know with someone else's show my own we did the Chicago

theater twice that's 3500 and that was pretty cool that's respectable man yes it's big it's cool man we've been hey man we've been having fun like this is a the tour has been for me I look at that as like the greatest sign of success you know people buy a ticket with their wallet and they show up and they take a night out and they come see you, that's big. Put on clothes for someone, right?

You know what I'm saying? It's easy to – we're in the click business, right? But it's easy to click something. It's easy to watch something for a few seconds. Yeah, of course. It's easy, right? But to get a credit card out and say, I'm going to buy. Leave the house.

That's a big deal. So if – I don't know, for me, that's how I judge success. And those are the people who I see that are successful in the space. I look up to them for those specific things. They're selling out tours. The podcast is like, I hope you find me funny on the podcast. And then you want to come see the stand-up. And for me, as a stand-up, who built my career around putting out stand-up clips,

And for me as a standup who built my career around putting out standup clips, I have immense gratitude that people found me from doing standup and they wanna see me do standup. That's cool. Yeah, I think there are people out there who are popular, but people don't have the same urgency to go see them. And that's reflected in the tickets. I gotta buy a ticket and go, yeah.

There's a question I ask everyone towards the end called the three truths. Okay. So I'd like you to and go. Yeah. There's a question I ask everyone towards the end called the three truths. Okay. So I'd like you to imagine a hypothetical scenario. It's your last day on earth many years away. You get to live as long as you want to live. Yeah. And you get to accomplish all your dreams. Wow.

Personally, professionally, you build up a thousand comedians to do whatever you want to do. You know, you do it all. Yeah. At every different season of life, you do it. Yeah. Healthy, happy, thriving, you know. Yeah. 20 kids running around, whatever you want. You make it all. Yeah. At every different season of life, you do it. Yeah. Healthy, happy, thriving, you know. Yeah.

20 kids running around, whatever you want. You make it happen. And, but for whatever reason, all of your material has to go with you to another place. Yeah. When you leave. It's the last day and it goes with you to another place. Yeah. No one has access to your information anymore.

Yeah. Your content, your standup, your podcast, all of it's gone. Yeah. But you have three lessons that you get to share with the world. Yeah. Your content, your standup, your podcast, all of it's gone. Yeah. But you have three lessons that you get to share with the world. Oh. Three lessons that you've learned throughout your entire life. And this is all that people would have to remember you by or your content. What would you say would be those three lessons or would like to call three truths? I would say one is listen. I mean, just so much in my life I've learned from listening. So many decisions that I've made is from listening.

Just removing ego. So many of the decisions that even we make as part of my team, it's like the best decision wins. And that means you have to listen to the guys that you hire and empower them and make them believe in their ideas enough to the point where they can share them with you. Because oftentimes those ideas are going to be the ones that are better than yours. But just every conversation I've had and how that's turned into either conversations on the podcast or like stand-up clips or just anything. So just like listening, for someone who talks for a living and has talked a lot on this podcast, but listening is just so huge. So like, just also what a gift.

Like that was the biggest thing that like changed like my life almost. Like I remember just like during single days, realizing that once you get to a point where a girl's comfortable sharing with you, just listening to her. Yeah. How was your day? Yeah. Oh, you. Just listening to her. Yeah. How was your day? Yeah.

Oh, you do that? No way. Is that difficult? And just seeing their eyes light up that someone actually, like I've had girls on dates go, do you actually want to know? Like, yeah, I want to know. Like, what is your date usually like? Like, just listening is just so powerful.

People usually don't feel safe enough to share. And that was something my girl did to me. She's phenomenal at that. But if you can get people to just talk, man, just listen. So listening. Yeah, that's number one. Number two. You got to take care of the people that you love, man.

Everybody, like the people that you're family, the people that work for you, the people that are doing things for you so that you can succeed, they've got to feel taken care of. And your generosity should show. Your girl, your friends, your family, employees, they should feel like you go above and beyond for them and sometimes that's financial sometimes that's emotional sometimes that's like protecting them like their literal safety you know

their reputation sometimes it's like just helping them achieve their dreams but like know that the people that are dedicating time to your dream make them feel like that time is valuable and i think it's like you also take care of them by like acknowledging them like i try to shout out my guys as much as possible and like when i anytime we're talking about things that i do it's like things where we're doing like everybody's involved in this absolutely you know and uh the last one is um love bro you know i mean these are just such like easy hacky ones but at the same time it's like they're a reason they've existed for yeah you know all of human existence but like love man like dude love is just that's powerful loving your family

loving your wife like having love loving your friends like and like that was one of the coolest things that happened at my wedding is like i got to tell my wife how i feel about her we said the vows but i also got to tell my mom and my dad how i felt about them and as part of my vows and like how they prepare me for that moment I know that like one day my parents will pass and I feel like I've told them what I need to tell them. That's good. Now I don't want them to go. But they won't go without knowing. I mean my dad's memory is gone.

But like I for the longest was like I need my dad to know how awesome he was. I think he knows. But at least I know I told him. And I told him the exact way I wanted to tell him. And I told my mom exactly what she did for me. And what I'm so grateful for. And it's like

there's a piece in that. So it's just like I want to tell all my friends, all my family, everybody that I really care about. So yeah, share those feelings, man. Even if it's awkward, even if it's uncomfortable. I want to acknowledge you, Andrew,

for just what you've created and your authenticity. I think the way you create and your ability to put stuff out there, what could be scary for some people, you just keep showing up and keep being authentic and your realness behind it all. I've been watching your stuff for a while. You know, we have a lot of mutual friends and stuff like that.

But to connect in person, it's been really fun, man. This is awesome, dude. You're a great interviewer, man. You know, I try to listen the best I can. I interrupt a little too much, but I try to listen. No, you were great, man. Really great interviewer. This was fun talking.

Yeah, man. I got to come to one of your shows soon. Anytime you want. Yeah, I would love to come and check it out. But I want people to go to your show too, just because if they haven't followed you on social media, Andrew Schultz everywhere. Where else can they support you? Your YouTube is hilarious. Yeah, YouTube, Instagram.

You've got two different podcasts, right? Yeah, I do the podcast Flagrant 2 with Akash and Alex and Mark. And we have Dove the team keeps growing it seems and then Brilliant Idiots with the great Charlemagne Agat he's just awesome but yeah like but the main thing you got is your tour

coming out with a different support if you want to come check it out like watch some clips that's what I always say it's like watch a clip or something if you like it if it's for you you'll watch more and then it will happen you'll show up it will happen naturally it's exciting you, you'll watch more and then it will happen. You'll show up. Yeah, you'll show up. It will happen naturally. It's exciting, man.

Yeah. How else can we support you? That's all, man. Just your attention. It's just awesome. Give me the opportunity to entertain you. And if you're entertained, then I think the rest just kind of works. Of course.

Of course. Love it, man. Love it. People want that. Final question for you. What's your definition of greatness? Yeah, being the best. And the best is a standard that I create,

you know? So it's like who I think is the best comedian is not who everybody thinks is the best comedian, but they do the, like the form of comedy that I like the best, the best. But like, if we're talking about like career,

then that's just being just being the best and just pushing and continuing to move towards that uh but greatness is like a man that's different like affecting the people's lives like my dad is a great man like he's a great man that is the goal as a man to affect people's lives the way that he affected them. And he never tried to be a great man. He just was a great man. And then when you exist in greatness, you affect all the people around you. And he's just, yeah, that is the goal. To do that, if you could have career and personal like that is that is the goal to do that like if you could have career and personal like that like

great man great husband great father great career what a life lived man that is the goal yeah thank you so much for listening i hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's show with all the important links. And also make sure to share this with a friend and subscribe over on Apple Podcasts as well. I really love hearing feedback from you guys. So share a review over on Apple and let me know what part of this episode resonated with you the most. And if no one's told you lately, I want to remind you that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter.

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