The School of Greatness - Avoid These Easy Mistakes to Manifest The Life You Want TODAY

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

My life-changing annual event, The Summit of Greatness, is happening September 12 & 13, 2025. Get your ticket today!At 83 years old, Price Pritchett has spent six decades studying human psychology and... has sold over 15 million books on breakthrough performance. In this conversation, he reveals why most people are leaving 60% of their potential untapped and shares the scientific framework behind quantum leaps - those massive jumps in achievement that skip rungs on the ladder of success. Price breaks down his research showing that luck accounts for 30-50% of career success, but here's the twist: luck isn't random when you know how to engineer it. You'll discover why small goals actually create small energy and small results, while big, scary goals become magnetic forces that attract resources, people, and opportunities. This isn't about positive thinking - it's about the proven psychology of breakthrough performance.Get Price’s NEW You2 Accelerator ProgramBuy Price’s books:The Quantum Leap StrategyYou2: A High Velocity Formula for Multiplying Your Personal Effectiveness in Quantum LeapsHard Optimism: Developing Deep Strengths for Managing Uncertainty, Opportunity, Adversity, and ChangeIn this episode you will:Discover the one trigger action you can take today that creates breakthrough momentum tomorrowLearn why failure isn't the opposite of success but actually the system itself - and how to use it as your competitive advantageMaster the 4-part quantum leap framework that turns impossible goals into inevitable outcomesUnderstand how to engineer luck in your life using specific psychological strategies that multiply opportunitiesTransform your relationship with risk-taking and discover why playing it safe is actually the most dangerous gameFor more information go to https://lewishowes.com/1821For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Dr. Joe Dispenza – greatness.lnk.to/1809SCGary Zukav  – greatness.lnk.to/1773SCBilly Carson – greatness.lnk.to/1752SC Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy!Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

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Starting point is 00:00:00 We just confirmed that Andrew Huberman is coming to the Summit of Greatness, along with some other amazing speakers. We've got Dr. Terrace Sward, Brendan Bershard, Gabby Bernstein, Amy Purdy, and some huge entertainers and performers. Make sure to get your tickets right now. Summit of Greatness is happening September 12th and 13th here in Hollywood. I can't wait to see you there. Welcome back, everyone in the School of Greatness.
Starting point is 00:00:26 Very excited about our guests. We have The Inspiring Price Pritchit in the House. Good to see you, sir. Thanks for coming back on. Our last episode, people loved it. And I've loved your books. I've loved our conversations. We've had dinner a couple times.
Starting point is 00:00:38 And I'm so excited that you're coming back on to talk about a lot of things, specifically around the topic of luck and how to create breakthroughs in our life. And the first question I want to dive into is, what is one action today that people can take that can trigger them to unlock a breakthrough in their life tomorrow? Okay. that's a big question um good question i think the key word here is trigger yes it's not like 24 hours from now you're going to have made it but what is the trigger what because how you begin says a lot about how you'll finish okay and i think the first thing is to decide on an aiming point
Starting point is 00:01:24 some epic goal that scares you Something that you really have fire in your heart about is your goal. It's not somebody else's goal for you. It's not a should go or an ought to go. It's a my heart goal. And that sets the stage for everything that follows. And we're talking about fast growth here. We're talking about making quantum leap.
Starting point is 00:01:55 And fast growth shouldn't start slow. I think it was William James, father of American psychology, who said, if you want to change your life, there are three rules. Begin immediately. Do it flamboyantly. No exceptions. Interesting. And I just love that quote.
Starting point is 00:02:19 And that is philosophically so aligned with what we take a client through in the quantum leap strategy or the U squared method, I guess. guess you could say three things begin immediately what was the second one do it flamboyantly uh-huh do it big it's yeah it's almost like burn your bridges uh-huh you know we're talking about give me a real commitment go all in yeah and the third one no exceptions no exception no excuses no exceptions yeah yeah i like that why why do you think so many people struggle with figuring out what their big dream or goals are and making that decision. Why is it such a challenge for people?
Starting point is 00:03:02 Well, a lot of people are fairly content with their life. And that's fine. I think everybody can make a quantum leap. I don't think everybody needs to. Certainly not everybody wants to. And then you've got people who want to, but they won't give themselves permission. They won't give themselves permission.
Starting point is 00:03:25 Right. And they don't. They don't believe in their own potential. I've evaluated hundreds of top-level executives over the years. That used to be a mainstream part of our business when I was with a firm in Chicago early in my career. And it was just fascinating watching how much potential these top execs were just leaving on the table because they wouldn't take a risk. And a lot of people are really risk-averse. and there's just a lot of psychological dynamics that come into play
Starting point is 00:04:02 when someone puts themselves out there. It's kind of funny how people don't want to fail. They can't take the punishment of failure. They don't want to be embarrassed, humiliated, lose money. And I think it was it was Alfred Adler, who was the contemporary of Sigmund Freud, one of the legendary psychologists from Backwind. And one of his quotes I love so much, he said, one of your biggest mistakes in life will be that you take too many precautions. And I see that all the time. If you start to make a quantum leap, you're triggering a new set of dynamics.
Starting point is 00:04:58 You're going to deal with a new set of problems. I mean, you're kind of going into a fog of ambiguity. It's a place you hadn't been before. We're not talking about incremental change. You know, we're talking about major change. Skipping wrongs on the achievement ladder kind of thing. And you kind of open with talking about the Lucky You book. And really, it's funny how this idea of, well, I want to achieve big goals, I want to succeed, okay?
Starting point is 00:05:29 Well, luck kind of needs to come into the picture. Because you're probably going to need luck on your side. If you're going to do, you know, if you're going to swing. for the fences. Yes. I want to get into luck here in a minute, but I'm curious first about what you think the biggest traps or mistakes
Starting point is 00:05:59 that keep people from accomplishing their goals. Okay, good. They think too small. Think too small. Most people carry their goals around in their head. And it's a little too vague. It's not quite specific enough.
Starting point is 00:06:17 They don't write it down. Gail Matthews, psychologist, she wrote, she did this study, this piece of her research, and she found that the simple act of writing down your goal, writing it down, getting it on paper, getting it on your laptop or whatever, that that alone increased your chances of success with that goal by 43%. Come on. Really? Yeah. Wow. It just somehow it makes it so much more real. But I guess it's kind of like some people, if they just make a daily to-do list for themselves, they're more productive the next day. Yeah, writing down what you want to do tomorrow, they're more likely to go do
Starting point is 00:07:02 those things tomorrow. Rather than just thinking about all the things in your mind, I have to do these 20 things tomorrow. Maybe you do one or two if you just think about it. Yeah. Suppose of getting it down and then saying step by step, here's what I'm going to do. Yeah. It's interesting. So it's almost like making your goal list like you would your to do list. You write a to do list of the things we need to do today or tomorrow, and then hopefully you can get through those things. But most of us don't write a goal list. Yeah. Where we're going to get through our goals or pursue our goals and then figure out what's the game plan and how do we get to accomplish this. Yeah. Another mistake. Yep. People look around and when they're trying to
Starting point is 00:07:44 decide on what their goal is going to be, they think in terms of what will the world allow me to do. And that really puts boundaries on it. Instead of thinking, what do I want to do? What am I willing to commit to and make happen? It's a very different game. All the time I see people, they say, I read your book, U-squared, or I read the Quantum Leap Strategy, which is its companion handbook,
Starting point is 00:08:15 it's kind of the sequel to U-squared. Well, I want to make a quantum leap. you know yeah it's time i've been kind of flatlined i've hit a wall whatever and they make an incremental they said an incremental goal though and because they think they've got to know how to get there if you set a quantum leap go if you pick a worthy enough target you don't know how to get there yeah it should scare you yeah um and the thing about it is everything you've made quantum leaps before every human being has and the the most simple example i love to give and it proves that everybody's done this before is when you went from crawling to walking yeah you can't crawl fast enough you can't play that crawling good enough to become a walker in fact it just It's a different set.
Starting point is 00:09:23 It's a different technique. It's a different set of moves. And the same thing, when you go from walking to running, or from walking, running, whatever, to riding a bicycle. All of those things. To driving a car. Yeah, yeah. And, okay, so what's interesting about any of those things is,
Starting point is 00:09:44 okay, so how did you pull off the success in that particular move, whichever it was? You failed. again and again and again and people are afraid to fail because failing feels like losing and i hate losing you know that movie money ball yes great movie it's a great movie and brett pit in that movie there's a scene where he's in somewhere not in the locker room but some of their quarters around the locker room and everything and he's talking two or three of the players and one of his name chavi and they're talking and he says i hate losing chavi i hate losing
Starting point is 00:10:34 i hate losing more than i even want to win and it's different yeah you know and it kind of reminds me that's so true um winning's great but losing man And that's when we get embarrassed. We feel stupid, you know. But here's the thing. When we associate, when people associate failure with losing, they're always going to feel defeated. But you and I know that the only way to become successful is you must fail in order to succeed. So how do we rewire our minds or reshape it knowing that failure is part of the process of success, not, and it doesn't equal failure being we are losers personally?
Starting point is 00:11:19 Yeah. I think that I guess there are several things that we can do. First of all, it's just stopping for a minute and thinking in our own mind, you know, any major change of or any new skill I picked up in my life. I mean, learning to eat. Look at the mess. The kid makes, you know, I mean, they just wreck the floor around them when they're learning to eat. The kids. doesn't care. The kid has just got, you know, the kid wanting to walk. Well, they start trying to walk and they bang themselves up. They fall. They cry. They get a bruise, maybe scraped here and there. But they're not thinking embarrassment. They're not even thinking about it as failure. They're just thinking about it. It didn't work. Okay. And they try again. And they keep learning and they get there and that's a it's kind of the same thing where they're trying to learn some new computer skill or um some new athletic sport you know um whatever and so i think part of it
Starting point is 00:12:36 is just starting with this ideal that failure belongs in the process if you're not failing That's the biggest mistake of all, because you've stabilized, you've leveled off. You're playing it safe. You're playing it safe. There's this whole Chinese proverb that says failure is the mother of all success. And it's so true. If you think about it, this is what I think throws us. if you think of a continuum okay failure on one end success on another and we think of them as polar opposites right
Starting point is 00:13:25 which you start and think are you telling me then louis that failure is a key dynamic in my ability to succeed you would say absolutely absolutely and if you start toward a goal and you're not making some mistakes, then you've aimed too low. If you know how to do it, you're not staging a quantum leap for yourself. If you've got to, if you can frame out the game plan, a detailed game plan for this time, I'm going to get there, you've aimed too low. If you've taken the risk out of it, you've aimed too low. There's just a number of key differences between, I'm just going to set a conventional goal for myself, an incremental goal. Makes sense. It's not scary. I know how to do it and so forth.
Starting point is 00:14:15 You know, 10 things, man, that are just dramatically different. Yeah. You know, it's interesting because there's a great meme that I've seen online for years. That's a photo of a baby trying to walk. I might have mentioned this in the last interview we did, where the meme says, you know, when a child is learning to walk and falls a thousand times, he or she never thinks to himself maybe this walking thing isn't for me right he just keeps trying or she just keeps trying it keeps falling after the 10th fall after the you know hitting the back of the head a thousand times the baby doesn't say i'm just going to stand the ground and crawl and keep doing this it eventually figures out through pain through crying through tears and usually most adults will clap when they fail and say oh you almost did it yes you're right it's like Like, no one's like, you're a stupid baby, you know.
Starting point is 00:15:12 It's like, shaming the baby when they make a mistake. They're like, yeah, good job. You hit your head and you keep going. You know, there's this encouragement. But as adults, you know, there is more people laughing at them, shaming them, making fun of them when they try to pursue something that looks like they're going from comfort crawling to, you know, walking, running in whatever goal or dream they might have.
Starting point is 00:15:36 And so maybe there's a psychological shift that happens in society. as we age and as we grow older. So how does someone learn how to rewire their mind or reshape this philosophy that failure is the pathway to success? And even though when you're a kid, more people encouraged you. As an adult, you may not get the encouragement. So how does someone learn how to feel empowered internally to support themselves when they're failing hundreds and thousands of times on their path from who?
Starting point is 00:16:09 crawling to sprinting in their quantum leap goal. How do we do that internally? Well, I'll start with, it may not sound like it's internally, but that's where the impact is. Put your, as much as you can, surround yourself with people who are going to be supportive. Yes. Because they're going to have a heavy influence on you. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:16:39 there may be a mentor that would be your wingman through the process. And so when you screw up, they'll get a set back, you know, they say, they're right there, you know, reminding you. So that's external stuff, but it's powerful. Yeah. The other thing is just try to maintain an optimistic mindset across the board is, it's huge. is huge, huge, because performance begins inside the brain. Always has, always will. And so it's kind of like, you've got this quarterback in your head, right?
Starting point is 00:17:22 You got this quarterback up here calling these plays, and you can just try to say, okay, my quarterback thinks winning, winning, winning. He thinks we're growing. We're getting better. Of course, if your brain's limbic system comes in with all this scary stuff, you know, then you just kind of, you've got to discipline you're thinking. It's just like disciplining. Here you are, you know, with this big endeavor you're shooting for on the head.
Starting point is 00:18:07 and ball thing. And that takes a lot of discipline. A lot of energy, thought, time, discipline. Yes. For a big quantum leap, trying to go to the Olympics. Yeah. I think that's just wonderful. But most people don't think of doing that same kind of discipline, that kind of regimented training almost for their thinking processes. Yes. It's interesting studies that have been done. You should, you know, how many positive thoughts you need to have relative to every negative thought?
Starting point is 00:18:43 And the last time I was here, we talked about the five C words and how this negativity creeps into our head, very pernicious stuff. And most of us, we are oblivious about 70% of the negative thoughts that are making up the big part. of those 50,000 or so thoughts a day we have. And so it's being more mindful of where our mind is, what we're feeding into it. I mean, you can sit down and watch the evening news, and I can just get all stirred up, you know. And I can just see myself going negative.
Starting point is 00:19:22 And it's so counterproductive. Yeah. So there's the mental discipline part. There's the context you put yourself in. and the people you surround yourself with. Is it more important to be more positive thinking or less negative thinking? Well, again, powerful research, fascinating research on that point. And we used to, over the years, ever since, I guess, Norman Pence, Vince Peel wasn't,
Starting point is 00:19:55 they wrote the book, The Power of Positive Thinking. Uh-huh. Think positive. Think positive. Be an optimist. You know, think, think, think, think, more positive thoughts. That's a good dogma. That's a good piece of advice. It's better to be positive than negative. But yes, yes.
Starting point is 00:20:13 But what the research is found, and we think because if we'll become more positive, then that means we're less negative, right? That's kind of true. But what they have found is that you don't have one attitudinal scale with optimism on one end and pessimism on the other end. They're two separate scales. And you'll get a lot more mileage out of reducing, really cutting down on the negative thinking.
Starting point is 00:20:50 That is more beneficial to you than increasing positive thoughts. Because the negative does more damage than the positive does good. Really? And again, that's some very disciplined behavioral research. And it just kind of blew people's mind when that surfaced. How much damage happens to our brain, our heart, our nervous system when we're thinking negatively on a consistent daily basis? It can have long-term effects on the body. You know, cortisol levels in the body go up.
Starting point is 00:21:26 And first of all, it just depletes energy usually. It's a real energy, and not just your energy, but it's depleting on other people's energy, too. Attitudes are very contagious. And there was a study done, one of the classic studies in psychology of nuns. They started decades and decades ago, and over a period of 50 or 60 years, what they did in this research, they did testing, on a group of young females that were going into kind of a convent becoming a nun. And they would test them periodically. And after, I can't remember this, 50 or 60 years, they looked at this group of women.
Starting point is 00:22:21 And what they found, I'm just really collapsing the data down to the bottom line on this, what they found was that those nuns who were more optimistic, you know, they were more upbeat, more positive, were living seven years on average longer. Really? Than the pessimists. Wow. Which is crazy when you start thinking. That means negative thinking does more damage than smoking. Wow.
Starting point is 00:22:53 To lifespan. so yeah that stuff is bad stuff and it's funny to me that we go through we go through grade school elementary school and then we maybe go through college and so and so forth I don't remember ever having a class on managing your mental processes your attitude you know and so forth their motions. Yes. The only time I got that training was in sports after school. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:28 Where the coaches are like talking about attitude, have a good attitude, and all these different things. Yeah. That's when I got the most knowledge was playing sports and failing every single day, making mistakes, having a coach correct and try to hopefully reinforce positive behavior, positive attitudes, positive routines, in order to accomplish the goal of winning. But you didn't really get that in school. But, you know, your most recent book
Starting point is 00:23:57 Make money easy. Uh-huh. I mean, the psychological principles that we're talking about play throughout that book. I love the book. Yes. Thank you. Great, great, great reading.
Starting point is 00:24:07 It's all about managing the emotions with our relationship with money. Because when we're thinking negatively about money all the time, typically why would we attract more of it, why would we generate more of it, if we're constantly in a negative mind space around it? Or when we have it,
Starting point is 00:24:22 and we're thinking negatively about it, it, it's just not going to feel good. And so it's about creating a healthier relationship with money. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a great book. And once again, not something that was coming my direction to any of my education in the early years, which is a fundamental basic thing of life. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:44 You know, your ability to deal with money and think about money and manage it, you know. But, yeah, it's a human behavior. and your attitude comes in in spades. Yeah. You have a quote. I love this quote in your book. Lucky you. It says,
Starting point is 00:25:00 So let your deepest desire direct your aim. Set your sights far above the reasonable target. The power of purpose is profound only if you have a desire that stirs the heart. That's something you mentioned earlier in the conversation about really having something that creates fire in your heart when you're thinking about a goal. Not just something like, yeah, they'd be nice to have. this thing or incremental growth, but really what is that thing that almost kind of scares you a little bit or maybe a lot? And so I'm curious, what's one mindset shift that you think is holding people back from allowing themselves to believe in something greater and pursue that
Starting point is 00:25:43 thing that really stirs their heart? Well, sometimes they feel it'd be selfish. Really? Why is it selfish to go after our big goals and dreams. Well, because quite only goals have a big appetite. They want most of the food on your plate. That's true. You're chasing one. Uh-huh. Right now.
Starting point is 00:26:06 Yes. And that means that other things fade into the shadows. Yeah. You got to let go of a lot of other things. Yeah. And I think a lot of people feel like, I can't do that. That's all me. That's just a selfish thing that I don't need to do.
Starting point is 00:26:20 do that. I'm not sure I could pull it off anyway. You know, all this stuff. And so I mentioned earlier, giving yourself permission to do these big things. It's kind of funny when we would, when I'm out there working with on a half a billion dollar merger and I'm sitting with the top exec in the acquiring company and they're mashing these two companies together and it's difficult stuff, you know. and you got emotions running wild, political stuff, churning. He goes. Oh, yeah, it's got everything. And so much of the time, my job is giving him permission to do what he knows he needs to do.
Starting point is 00:27:04 It's saying, here I am. I'm an expert on the outside. We've done $350 billion worth of merger deals over the years. And so I can say, Louis, do you need to do this? you'd need to do it today go and it's like oh thank you and they knew they needed to do it and so it's giving ourselves permission to do some of the things that it's where a heart lives and another reason that you need to have some real emotional you tied up in it is because you're going to go through some dark moments we talked about the failures the setback
Starting point is 00:27:46 just the punishments that come your way in the process. And so it's got to matter to you. But that's when life takes on real meaning. And that's when you grow. And if the person is totally comfortable, I start to tilt my head and look at them kind of at an angle, you know, because I'm thinking you can have too much equilibrium in your life. like too much balance or too much comfort or yeah to be too comfortable and too much stasis it's that's when things
Starting point is 00:28:26 he not busy being born is busy dying that was the bob Dylan line um we need friction in our life there is um because that's when you grow yes um and we talked before Okay, when I go to, you know, down the street to L.A. Fitness to work out, I don't go there to be comfortable. Right. I don't go there to take a nap, you know? And yet, I think exercise, weightlifting, and such is the fountain of youth. I really do. I mean, it is such a pervasive positive influence on you.
Starting point is 00:29:10 And if you want a better optimism, better, you know, positive outlook on life. Exercise is about as good a drug as you can find. Yeah. You're looking in good shape right now. You're looking strong. Not like you, though. Are you lifting a lot?
Starting point is 00:29:25 I'm semi-regular. Yeah, a couple of days a week. For my age, I'm doing pretty good. Yeah, you're looking real lean, strong. Well, um... How young are you now? I am 83 years old. Wow.
Starting point is 00:29:38 Amazing. Looking great. Well, thank you. Thank you. You're looking so fit. It's inspiring to me. Makes me want to try harder. That's good.
Starting point is 00:29:46 You know, but talking about this thing about we need friction in our life. Too much equilibrium is a dangerous thing. But people get, it's kind of that status quo. Nassim Nicholas Talib wrote this book. He's written several. Foole by Randomness, The Black Swan. And he wrote this book called Anti-Fragile. I love that book.
Starting point is 00:30:15 Now, that book is that thick. And he is an amazingly smart guy. But he talks about how some things benefit from being punched around, from friction, from setbacks, failures, you know, stretching, stretching, putting yourself out there and taking the blows, the slings and eras of life, you know, as opposed to sitting in your house, you know, lean back in the, what's in TV. all the time and he says okay here's here's a good way to picture let's say that you have a box of fine crystal baccara crystal champagne glasses and you're going to send them to Prague some friend in Prague okay so how do you pack you package these very very carefully and then close the box and you stamp all over it handle with care fragile fragile fragile with care. Okay. But let's say you, because it gets damaged by friction, we'll say, or turbulence, change.
Starting point is 00:31:31 Well, let's say that you've got a basketball. You're going to send it to Prague. So you put it in a box, same what, package it, you know, throw it in there and everything. If it gets slammed around the box, kind of crust, okay, the ball is resilient. Yes. The ball comes back and so forth. No damage to the ball. It's right back the way it was. But if you have something else that benefits from change, from turbulence, from friction,
Starting point is 00:32:05 you would put it in there, you wouldn't put any packing around it or anything, and you'd stamp on the outside. throw it around you know sling it this way whatever it's anti-fragile and it's good for it to get that
Starting point is 00:32:21 well that's what we need to make ourselves we need to make ourselves anti-fragile and that means we need to create this equilibrium in our own lives we need to stretch
Starting point is 00:32:36 we need to do things that are kind of difficult for us and then we become less fragile yeah we become better than resilient we grow from it yes we don't just get back to we were we get better we become different we become a different person yeah that's that's one thing about the difference between small goals and big goals there's a lot that's been written about the small goals you know a little bitty goals and i'm i'm first of all i'm just a massive believer in setting goals for your life small goals are good for to-do list or if you're trying to develop a
Starting point is 00:33:21 habit and some of those kinds of things but small goals create small energy they attract small resources and they're very, very incremental. Big goals create energy. They stir you up. They make you more creative. They attract other people. People want to be part of it. And so when you set big goals, You don't just achieve more. You become more. That is true. Then what happens to a human being when they decide to let go of their dreams
Starting point is 00:34:13 or give up on their dreams? Well, they diminish themselves to themselves. I read a quote. I can't remember who said this, but if you can't overcome the obstacles in your path, it's probably not your path. Hmm. So how do we know when to give up on a...
Starting point is 00:34:33 Yeah. How do we know, like, okay, this is this... This big thing is in my heart, and I feel like I'm supposed to go for it. I'm so excited, so I'm going to pursue it for six months or a year or five years. But when do we know to let go of the goal or the dream? That's the big question. It's a tough one, too. Was it...
Starting point is 00:34:54 And there was a book that came out not a couple years back called Quit. Do you read it? They need Duckworth, I think. Okay. Angela Duckworth? Angela Duckworth. I didn't found, right? She wrote the book called Grit also, right?
Starting point is 00:35:07 She wrote a book called Grit? No, the key thing. I think she wrote a book called Grit, or that was like her key kind of distinction. I might not even have the name right on this, didn't it? But there was a book that came out a couple years ago called Quit. And it's about this whole thing of how can you know when to quit, which is a very, very big, important question.
Starting point is 00:35:30 And she tells some interesting things. And she talks about poker players, which is where she kind of got into this, this whole idea, how to quit, when to quit. And she talks about how, let's say if you're playing Texas Hold'n' Poker, so you get some initial cards. You already had to Annie to be in the game. There was just some table sticks. Okay.
Starting point is 00:35:53 So that's out there. So you already got some sunk costs. All right. But then you get three cards, I think it is, in Texas. hold them as your first dealt cards. So you look at those, and they said that the expert players, I think the statistic was only 12% of the time they play, they stay, stay in the game. And the more novice players, the weaker players, they will stay in longer.
Starting point is 00:36:21 They'll lose more. Yeah, yeah, because of this sunk cost thing. And they don't understand the odds. there's a lot going on there in the game, of course, but it's a tough question. When do you know you should quit? What's giving up and is selling yourself out versus I gave it a fair shot? It's not a good, not a good plan for me. And I need to redirect myself, cut my losses, and so forth. how do you know I don't know that
Starting point is 00:37:03 maybe you've got an answer on this what would you say? Oh man I think for me it's it would be one that the drive is not in your heart as much anymore like if the obstacles are so big
Starting point is 00:37:18 that you're just not excited to endure the pain like you have to be excited to endure the pain the challenges the setbacks the failures and you have to be you have to enjoy it I think you have to enjoy it maybe you don't love it but you have to be like I know it's part of the process and I still have this fantasy this dream this love for the idea of reaching the mountain top of the goal that I have and I'm enjoying the process if you're not enjoying the process I think it's just going to be that much harder so I think that's part of it I think the second part is like have I exhausted every possible avenue that I can think of and even then have I continued to go when I think I've exhausted everything. If so, do I still love it?
Starting point is 00:38:05 Then let me keep going. If I don't, then maybe not. Maybe there's a time frame also or maybe there's just like, I have so many other things happening in my life that also demand my time where this is just hurting everything in my life. All my relationships are broken because of this thing.
Starting point is 00:38:22 So there might be a number of factors there. But I just, part of me is like, I just never want to be the one that has a goal or a dream and gives up too early because it's hard. And then I regret it forever. Have you ever had a dream or goal so big that you gave up on it too early that you still regret today on giving up on it?
Starting point is 00:38:45 Yeah, I get one that's such that I'm not going to talk about. I'll tell you. Yeah. That you gave up on. I gave up on. Years ago. Ages ago. You won't share it?
Starting point is 00:38:55 Why? Because it's too painful? or because it's to, you feel like... Yeah, I mean, that's how deep it cut. Really? Yeah, that's how deep I cut myself, you know. Now, I don't think it was good casting for me in the first place. It wasn't the right goal.
Starting point is 00:39:12 Right. Okay. But I wanted it to be. You know, kind of thing. Was it more ego-driven versus heart-driven? Yeah. So it wasn't the right goal in the first? No, it really wasn't.
Starting point is 00:39:24 I wanted it to be. You wanted it to be. Your ego wanted it. Yeah. But your heart is kind of like, let it go. Right. But is there anything that your heart really, like, fell in love with? Not your ego, but your heart, that you never pursued to at least see, is there a chance I could accomplish this?
Starting point is 00:39:40 Maybe you're writing a novel? But you still have the opportunity to do that. I still have the opportunity to do it. You said maybe. Is that like a big thing on your heart that you really want to do? Or is it more like, I'd be cool to do this thing. Well, I think it, yeah, yeah, there's that. absolutely but your heart's not screaming at you no you have to be a novel a yeah no I've had
Starting point is 00:40:01 good success yeah you know in writing and I enjoy it I think it is a talent of mine and so but I know it's kind of a a practical call a rational yes sensible I'm talking about the the irrational dream in your heart? Is there anything you regret from? I don't know if this would fit your thing. I always wanted to do in a corporate jet. Oh, that'd be fun. Yeah. And that that never came around. Okay. Now, I never, I guess, went at it strategically. You never went all in. No, I did. You never said, okay, this is what I want. I'm going to do everything I can in the next three to five years to map this out, to be around everyone I know who's got a jet figure out you would have you would have bought one so you would have figured that out yeah it was it was a ego nice thing it was one of those things I didn't follow
Starting point is 00:41:01 my own rules exactly because it's like well I don't know how I'm going to do it just get that out of your head quantum leap yeah you're not you're not supposed to know I know if it was incremental you'd be too easy you know you know you said something in to go about um I was reading this book by Scott Adams, the guy that wrote Dilbert Carpins, you know, and he's written a good book about how I succeeded almost everything and how failed it almost everything and still succeeded, I think is the name of it, that's close enough. But he talks in there about this thing about passion. And is passion a good signal for your gold selection? And he said, here's what I've found. I found that passion is closely tied to talent.
Starting point is 00:41:55 And as long as you're really talented in some zone, it's easy to have passion for it. But he said, if you want to see passion fade, let the failure start hitting. Let's say you've got a passion to be an entrepreneur, okay? And you're into it three years, five years. And lose all your money. And it's just not working.
Starting point is 00:42:24 What's the passion for you? You're not passionate anymore. Right. And it gets back to this quitting, you know, finding that proper spot. So do you think in his mind or in your mind, do you think we should be following our passion or following our talent? They're probably usually connected and that your talent is probably. is probably your first signal to pursue that, to follow that thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:54 He writes about he wanted to become a famous cartoonist. And this idea of setting a goal, keeping it front of mind that I've talked about in Lucky You. He said, I wasn't good as an artist. He said, I was no good. He didn't have the talent. He didn't have the talent, but he loved the idea of being a cartoonist. And he had bought through some real good reasons for that. It didn't require a lot of infrastructure.
Starting point is 00:43:21 It didn't have to hire a lot of people. Yes, it's him pat in the paper. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so there was all this stuff. But anyway, how he went at it, he started writing, I think it was 15 times every day. He went right down. I, Scott Adams, will become a famous cartoonist. Wow.
Starting point is 00:43:38 15 times a day, every day, every day, 15 times. so that's clarity of goal that's keeping the go front of mind that's being optimistic and there was relentless pursuit he started moving in that direction
Starting point is 00:44:04 he said his first stuff was terrible you know he talks about the mistakes he made and it's a fun book You'd enjoy it. What's it called again? I think it's how I failed at almost everything and still succeeded. Scott Adams. Yeah, Scott Adams. You have this, we're talking about luck here. Your book, Lucky You. You have a number of books. One of my favorite is U Squared. And for those that didn't watch the first episode we did, I had Bob Proctor on a number of years ago before he passed. And I asked
Starting point is 00:44:34 him, what are the three books that every human being should read that have helped him? And he'd read thousands of books and he mentioned your name and you squared and I never heard about you maybe this was 2018 or 2017 2019 and I was like you squared and then I finally came back around to it a couple years later and I read the book and we connected ever since then and it's a life-changing book and you have a number of companions to it but the most recent one is called lucky you a psychological strategy for multiplying luck and achieving your big ambitions in the book you've got a graph that talks about what contributes most to career success. And I don't know if this is towards all success in life or more just towards career.
Starting point is 00:45:16 And it's a graph that is a generalized synthesis drawn from research in behavioral economics, psychology, and sociology. It's a reasonable estimate, not a precise formula. But in this graph, it talks about luck being the number one factor that contributes towards career success, 30 to 50% range of luck. Then you have effort and work ethic that is 30 to 40% range. Then you have social capital slash opportunity as 10 to 20%. Then you have talent or IQ, which is 10 to 20%.
Starting point is 00:45:53 And in the same book by Nassam, Talib, he says luck is most frequently the reason for extreme success. And I remember interviewing a friend of mine, Scooter Braun, who is a big music artist, a music talent manager, who kind of discovered Justin Bieber and managed Ariana Grande and kind of all the biggest pop stars of our generation. And I was like, what's the key to your success? And he was like, it's luck. You know, and obviously it's hard work. I mean, he grinded for years and he did all the right things. And he was willing to put more time and energy in dance. anything else than most people.
Starting point is 00:46:35 But it was like, you know, finding Justin Bieber at the right time and then taking the actions to really mold and, you know, shepherd him in his career and building that. And then that created another opportunity with other artists. And then bigger talent came in. And then it snowballed the momentum. But maybe it would have taken him decades if he didn't have that right timing, that opportunity, that synchronicity, that created that relationship. Who knows?
Starting point is 00:47:00 Or maybe none of this is whatever happened for him. But why is luck such a big thing towards success in life? If we talked about the biggest success story in your life, or my life or anybody else's, it would be that moment of conception. Okay? Let's look at this. I wrote a blog about this. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:26 Your biggest, your greatest success story ever. So you had two parents. You have a mother and a father. Well, the mother, the maximum number of egg follicles that she will have in her life is supposedly between six and eight million eggs. Mm-hmm. Okay. You were one of those gametes, one out of six to eight million, okay? The amount of sperm your father has.
Starting point is 00:47:55 And the sperm is quad trillions. Trillions. Quad-trillions. Quad-trillions. Quad trillions. So you're, that gamete, gamete number two, we'll call this first gamete, the wonder egg, and we'll call this gamete number two, the super sperm. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:14 One out of quadrillions, okay, those odds are just absurd to begin with. But then the connection, at that perfect timing, I mean, you will never again be that lucky on anything. I was having lunch, I guess the first time that this whole idea of luck even came into my notion, really, was I was having lunch at Cafe Pacific in Dallas with a real good friend of mine. He was the chief economist at the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank. And his wife is from Ecuador and charming couple, lovely people. And we were sitting just having nice lunch, Patty and I and that couple. And just in the course of conversation, she turned to me and she said, Price, what would you say is the number one thing that accounts for your success?
Starting point is 00:49:15 You've had a successful career, you know, what? And it just came in. I know where I said, look. And both of them just looked at me like, what? And I said, well, stop. And then I started to just kind of reason through where that came. from that said okay look first of all I was born in America that's that's a real advantage secondly I had good parents third I didn't have any major
Starting point is 00:49:44 disabilities or anything brain functions well enough and you just go on and on and you look at these things and anybody's alive is unbelievably good fortune But there are things that we can do to engineer luck into our life. It does not have to be, we shouldn't allow it to be, just a random event. It's a random thing, but it's too important to ignore. And so. Because people just say, oh, they got lucky. They had this opportunity.
Starting point is 00:50:24 But you're saying that there is a strategic or scientific way. that we can influence more luck in our lives. Is that right? Absolutely. So how do we create more? First of all, we tell luck what we want. We tell luck what we want. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:38 That's that big go. I mean, tell luck what you're shooting for. When you set that goal and that clarity, get it out of your head and down on paper, all of a sudden, you may be surrounded by luck. So that's one thing you can do. tell luck what you want the next thing luck plays favorites luck has a bias luck prefers the optimists why because first of all they see luck's opportunities when he lays them in
Starting point is 00:51:21 front of him and secondly the optimist will take the chances that's true well let's say that's well be like i don't believe it that's a good i'm not going to take that or that person what are they really want from me they're trying to bring this opportunity
Starting point is 00:51:39 luck gets pissed off when you refuse its chances and if your heart's not in it back to that goal thing luck doesn't get very interested either it goes looking for someone who's fevered up man excited some yeah someone that is cranked in there and luck wants to see you working if you're not doing anything luck gets disinterested
Starting point is 00:52:02 and goes try to find somebody that's going to put some energy under this yes so tell luck what you want believe in it be positive you know
Starting point is 00:52:17 when luck comes before you do something with it third thing most of your lucky breaks and laugh will come via people you know somehow. Maybe someone you just met or someone you hardly know.
Starting point is 00:52:34 In fact, a lot of times that happens. The weak ties. Yeah, the weak ties. Why isn't it more the weak ties where look comes from versus the strong ties? Well, if it's their strong ties, you've already checked those out. You know them for a long time.
Starting point is 00:52:47 Well, yeah, you know, if they've had an opportunity for you, it's already been explored. Yeah. You need to be in circulation socially. because luck doesn't come looking for you. It wants to see you out in the world. It's kind of like, don't go fishing in your bathtub, you know? You're not, you know, if you're trying to become a famous artist,
Starting point is 00:53:12 but you won't, you'll put a few of your paintings up on the walls of your garage and leave the door open. Yeah. You know, luck. It's not enough. No. And so you need to be out there and you need to, You need to be in new, fresh, different experiences.
Starting point is 00:53:30 And those things are big. Then you need to give your mind time to speak to you, your deep mind. You could call this giving yourself a meditative period every day. Taking a long, slow walk, not trying to work on a problem, just letting your mind. But in our coaching and training stuff around U-square and the quantum leap strategy, we talk about the quantum leap ritual. And it's just setting aside a chunk of time every day, probably at the same time a day, sit down, clear your mind, let the prefrontal cortex go offline,
Starting point is 00:54:15 and let the theta and alpha waves start to play. And this is where the deep mind, it kind of opens the door. and it lets things seep up from your unconscious. Yes. And it's probably the closest to magic in terms of creating luck for yourself. There are several others that we talk about in the book. Well, one last one that I could mention. Bring luck to other people.
Starting point is 00:54:44 That's so good. We live in a world of reciprocity. You can call it karma. You can call it what goes around, comes around. But what Emerson talked about, you know, in his essay, compensation, he talks about we will be compensated for how we compensate others. That we compensate others. His Exigler says, you know, if you want to achieve any goal, help everyone else achieve their goal. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:14 Something like that, too, you know. And the interesting thing is it's uplifting to you. just an act of giving service giving it will it it brings all of these positive chemicals alive in your body the dopamine the serotonin oxytocin and you know all this kind of stuff and and that makes you more willing to accept risks it makes you more optimistic those chemicals are working good things and so when you're giving to others you're giving to yourself yeah what is one way of thinking or one habit that creates bad luck for ourselves feeling that we're a victim.
Starting point is 00:55:55 Feeling sorry for ourselves. Feeling helpless. I am a huge, huge believer in personal accountability. If something goes wrong, how much of that do I own? Probably 95% or 100% of it, usually. And anyway, if something does, go wrong in my world. The world is typically not inclined to bring me, to fix that for me.
Starting point is 00:56:29 No. People aren't going to come rescue you. Yeah. They got their own problems. That's right. When we give luck to another, what are we saying to God or to the world when we're constantly generating luck in others? And how do we make sure we're not only a giver to people who are takers? Yeah. And not thinking, how can I also return the favor in the future? Yeah, or giving it to get something back in return. Don't think in terms of getting something back in return. Don't count on, don't even talk about it.
Starting point is 00:57:05 Don't expect to get praise for being a generous person. Do some things anonymously. And I think, and there's one of the thing, and it's kind of akin to what you're asking, I think, and it's this whole thing of gratitude, be grateful that you can give, that you're in a position to give, and everybody is in a position to give.
Starting point is 00:57:28 I don't care if it's a compliment. I don't think it's, I mean, I don't care if it's just giving someone a pat on the back, asking someone opinion and saying, you know a lot about this. Let me ask your opinion. Well, that's kind of, you know, that makes the other person feel good.
Starting point is 00:57:43 Yeah. But be grateful for all the stuff. Gratitude is a huge thing. And you talk about getting the negativity out of your head, you know, reducing the negative thinking. Gratitude is just every day. Stop. When in a situation, you're bummed out about a situation, you're frustrated, and you feeling sorry for yourself, think, what did I got to be grateful for here today around me, you know, in my world? Yes.
Starting point is 00:58:12 It's a beautiful antidote. Yeah. You've got, again, we've talked about Lucky You. You've got U squared in the quantum leap strategy. What is the Quantum Leap Framework that you talk about? Well, a lot of people, one of the reasons they're unsuccessful with their goals is they don't really have a strategy. Or they try too many things. They're flailing about.
Starting point is 00:58:36 Usually if you want to go into a new area, and it looks overwhelming, what do I need to learn? What do I need to do? usually there's a very small handful of things that have the big leverage and we have these first you need a super clear huge important lovable aiming point okay something that is going to stretch you and and and it's important to you so pick a very very very very ambitious aiming point second practice relentless pursuit be the crawler stay at it stay at it um take the failures as a coaching lesson where's the lesson here okay adapt go on don't take yourself to the bench and set set the rest of your life out wishing you'd done
Starting point is 00:59:37 something aiming point relentless pursuit and then the mind work and the Mindwork is do the necessary mind work. What is that? Well, that is disciplining your thinking like you would discipline your body or discipline your child or whatever. You know, you follow discipline the way you drive for peace sake. You stay between the lines, you know? You don't run stop signs. Okay.
Starting point is 01:00:01 Well, put a stop sign in your mind when the negative stuff comes in. No, you know, not going to entertain that. I'm not going to stay there. So part of it is pushing yourself with real discipline and mindfulness to be optimistic. It's huge. It is really, really huge. The other part of the mindwork is the ritual. That daily opening your mind, first of all, you read through your goal because that keeps goal front of mind.
Starting point is 01:00:38 And if it goes out of your mind, luck quit thinking about it too. Okay. And during that kind of a ritual, like I said, that's when your intuition is free to kind of surface, bubble up through your head. So we've got the aiming point, relentless pursuit, do the necessary mind work. And the fourth one, which sounds so simplistic and nobody does it. And it's the tracking. Tracking. track your results
Starting point is 01:01:13 track your results and measure progress when I go to the gym that evening I'm working on my calendar I get to put a square around that around that day and if you're not tracking you're hiding from the truth
Starting point is 01:01:30 because tracking is like a truth serum it says whether you're following the quantum leap ritual whether you're following this whole U-squared method of aiming point, pursuit, mindwork, and tracking. Now, are there other things? There's a zillion other little tactics that one can do. But we're talking about not just 80-20 in terms of your trying to achieve greater levels of success.
Starting point is 01:02:04 We're saying 95-5. 95% of the stuff is noise. It's helpful. maybe, maybe even unhelpful, but 5% is mission critical. That's the mission critical. Yeah. If you will stay with that, trust, trust the method. Trust the method.
Starting point is 01:02:23 Just do that. People overcomplicate this. Yes. And I keep saying that all the time. Trust the method. You've been in psychology and high performance learning and teaching and training for six decades, right basically five five months about six I guess decades since studying and school to working with individuals one-on-one to then working with corporations and businesses and high-profile
Starting point is 01:02:53 individuals so in six decades if you could give yourself three pieces of advice of all the information you've learned from all the books you've written all the books you've read all the research, all the science that was out back then, the science that's out now. If you're like, I can only give myself three pieces of advice to use to create an incredible life for myself. What would that be for you? Take more risk. Believe in myself more. Be willing to fail. Why believe in self more? There's a saying that the seals, the Navy seals have. I think it's, I may be a little bit off on this list, but I think it's 40% rule.
Starting point is 01:03:45 It says, most people, when they get to 40%, and it gets harder, they quit. They think, I'm three, I'm finished. And that much is left in terms of true capability. Potential. Yeah, yeah. 60% left, they haven't tapped into it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:04 we we don't test ourselves if you don't take yourself to failure you don't even know and it's not just failure this first time it's you know you keep on you know in working out you know if you're lifting weights the saying is the last few reps are the ones that count
Starting point is 01:04:26 it's not the ones that come easy on the front end the first say let's say you got X amount of weight you're doing dumbbell curls, X amount of weight, okay. Let's say you're saying I'm going to do 10 reps, take myself to failure. The last few rubs are the ones that count. Yes. And it's not when it gets hard.
Starting point is 01:04:49 It's not when it starts to be uncomfortable. The first one was probably uncomfortable, you know. So living with failure, if you've pushed failure out of your life, you've made a big mistake people need stretch in their life they need friction hypothetical scenario again you've learned so much in these last
Starting point is 01:05:17 six decades what do you think is going to be the biggest psychological breakthrough in the next six decades for human potential for human advancement with all the changes that have happened in the world and society from AI and tech now are really emerging over the last 20 years
Starting point is 01:05:37 to wherever it's going to be in the next six decades, what do you see is the greatest potential for unlocking human potential in the future? Well, it would be something to do with brain processes, our thinking, in my opinion. Because we're learning so much more about the brain, how it functions. We're coming to the point of helping people do more with themselves.
Starting point is 01:06:02 I think It's kind of funny Back in the PhD program When I was going for my doctor's degree Is that early 60s? What was that? It was Late 60s
Starting point is 01:06:17 Late 60s And early 70s internship And so forth But Like I said The things that are in my writings Like lucky you
Starting point is 01:06:30 Quantum Leap Strategy and U.S. Squared, that wasn't in any of the textbooks. No. Okay? And those books, such as mine, were basically ridiculed, certainly discounted, not worth. And I was struck by the fact that, well, those books have some really good advice that I can do with me. I don't have to have a therapist or counselor or, you know, you. you know, some psychologist or whatever to work on me and make me better, make me more successful.
Starting point is 01:07:09 There are things I can do for us. I want to know that. Okay. And during the past 25 years, there have been an amazing number of really good books out of the professional community. I mean, the highly pedigreed psychologist, you know, they've really come into, getting that stuff out more to the public, the findings of research and self-sufficiency and personal accountability and those kinds of things. And I think that trend will continue.
Starting point is 01:07:44 Yeah. Do you think people will learn to believe in themselves more with the more tools and research and accessibility they have to technology in the future or they'll believe in themselves less? I don't know I think we're all so intellectually arrogant
Starting point is 01:08:04 I think we think we've got so much figured out and there's so little we know about everything I really do but that's getting into kind of metaphysical stuff you know
Starting point is 01:08:16 for me it's interesting because you said the three things over the last six decades if you could give yourself these three pieces of advice the second one is to believe in yourself more and I wrote a whole book called The Greatness mindset, which is about overcoming self-doubt. I think self-doubt is the killer of dreams. I think when you have a big goal or big dream and you doubt yourself, you limit yourself
Starting point is 01:08:37 from taking the action, building the energy, allowing for luck to come into your life. You're just more insecure. You're less willing to take the risk when you doubt yourself. You're more, you know, on eggshells. And I think learning to believe in yourself is one of the greatest tools that you can have and you don't need to be smart no to develop that which for me I never felt like I was smart because of my school grades but I learned how to believe in myself and I felt like that's what allowed me to accelerate the results in my life was belief was hey I think I can do this let me go try oh I actually was able to do this thing all right maybe I can go do this other thing and now there's another thing and I was able to stack evidence by having more belief in myself
Starting point is 01:09:24 and almost being ignorant to a lot of the world and being like, I don't have the answers, but I believe I can figure out a way to make it happen. And that belief gave me courage, gave me confidence, gave me the ability to develop more skills. And those things, I think, created the luck for me, created more opportunities for me to succeed in what I was dreaming and thinking about.
Starting point is 01:09:48 And I truly believe self-doubt is going to be the killer of dreams for people, no matter if they have all the best wearable tech, that gives them the data and the information, if they read all the right books, whatever it might be, if we don't learn the skill of believing in self, we're not going to take more risks, and we're not going to be willing to fail. So I think that is a massive thing that most people never learn how to do. So how do you think we learn how to believe in ourselves more based on everything you've learned? Well, I think we've got to put ourselves out there
Starting point is 01:10:21 and find the edge of our capacities. Yes, yes. And learn that failure is an advantage brings, you know, failure is, it's just, it's not a bug in the system, it is the system. Yes. It's a feature. You know, use it, man. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:10:44 R.D. Lange is psychiatrist, psychologist from back when, he said, if I, I don't know I can. It's a twisted kind of very cryptic statement. And I always want to remember this thing. And I'll go back and study it and then I can't remember it because it's kind of tricky. It's like, if I don't know I can, I think I can't kind of, you know. If I don't know how to do something, I think, well, anyway, we read more into it than is there. we don't test our limits
Starting point is 01:11:22 and so we never discover what's inside yeah do you feel like you've tested your limits somewhat but not greatly really yeah you've got you know six decades of work in this
Starting point is 01:11:39 you've got 15 million books you've sold your impact yeah but we don't compare ourselves to people that are better we always look at their best side You're like, I look at our worst side. Yeah, why is that? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:11:52 But if you compare yourself to you 40 years ago, and if you would have said when you were, you know, 43 or 42 or whatever it was, and you said, one day I'm going to sell 15 million copies of my books, and I'm going to help, you know, multi-billion-dollar companies acquire and merge and build, and I'm going to coach some of the biggest names in the world. And, like, what would you have thought when you were 40 of that type of, of dream and accomplishing it. When didn't you be like, wow, that's amazing?
Starting point is 01:12:21 I would have thought, yeah, that's bull. You know, I would thought that would be wonderful. But it's kind of interesting. Some people just have a higher need for achievement than others, too. It's kind of in the DNA. I don't understand some of that. Some people, we just have different cravings, you know. And I think everybody has a lot.
Starting point is 01:12:48 more within if they're perfectly i mean dazzlingly happy with that that that that i'm happy for them yes and i don't want them to feel bad about not wanting to push for more but how much of your potential do you feel like you've tapped at this season of life don't know i guess a better question what is the big goal or dream that you have over the next 20 plus years i want to be healthy I want to be happy. I would like to continue to figure out what I believe, what I think, and get it down on paper. Just to kind of document that because I think somebody else might get some mileage out of it. That's not a, that's not some big goal.
Starting point is 01:13:37 It's like, I want to be happy. I want to be healthy and I want to get my thoughts down and help others. No, I don't think. It's not some new like money or dream or, you know, it's like. Yeah, I think it's kind of interesting. risk-taking peaks for well it peaks a couple years earlier for girls than boys their risk-taking girls peaks at about age 16 really yeah you mean did they stop taking risks around 16 or they start no it peaks that's at its highest point in their life probably
Starting point is 01:14:06 will peak at that age for boys it peaks at about 19 18 19 20 into that's when it peaks So this is risk-taking, and then it gradually. Now, last, risk-taking lasts longer for boys into the 30s than for women. But in general, it's a life. It's kind of like this. Then you start to preserve what you've created or you start to, like, be more comfortable what you've risked. Well, think about this, yeah, because early in life, we are accumulating, accumulating. We're accumulating knowledge, friends, contacts, experiences, and money, skills, all of this kind of stuff, okay?
Starting point is 01:14:52 So, and that continues, it seems to me, until about somewhere in the, maybe mid-50s, and then there's this funny turn. You want to get rid of stuff. And it starts like this, and people start, well, first of all, kids start leaving home, and your friend-making, for most people, starts to diminish. They may scale down their house. They have all these possessions that they bought and everything. And, God, you know, they start handing that off to kids and things like that. And risk-taking really drops and dopamine levels drop. And which affects risk-taking.
Starting point is 01:15:35 And part of it's just people look down the road and say, it's shorter runway. Yeah. Well, less energy or just don't care as much. Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, what are we going to do, make a 30-year plan, you know, and so there's a practical side to this, and there's a physical capacity side to it. Because people's, yeah, so much energy, so much time you have, yeah. I mean, listen, it's even more like, you know, someone might have heart problems and they can't get out on exercise or do things, you know, or all kinds of, you know, that's why I'm a big believer in health, fitness, and so forth. Because it is such a big factor in having a good, happy, full life.
Starting point is 01:16:17 So you're focused more on staying healthy, staying happy, making sure you keep sharing your ideas and thoughts. Yeah, I think so. And I don't know. Now, I know that people need goals. I don't care of your age. And the fact they've found from studies like in nursing homes, they found if you will just give someone in an assisted living place, give them a plant. This is your plant. Take care of this plant.
Starting point is 01:16:39 their mood goes up and they do better we need purpose we need a sense of direction goals something I think goals are magnetic in fact that's another thing that Alfred Adler said the psychologist
Starting point is 01:16:57 he said that goals are teleological they pull us toward them and he says I think it's George Land that said your future does ever did as much or more to shape you than your past. That is fascinating.
Starting point is 01:17:16 What do you mean by your future does everything to shape you as much as your past does? Well, if you set a go that means something to you, you really have your heart's invested in that thing, then it starts shaping your life. Now, we know that we've been shaped by our parents, our teachers, experiences in life, all of that kind of stuff. They're huge shaping. But what you're pursuing shapes you too.
Starting point is 01:17:47 And big goals, like I said, you don't just achieve more, you become more. That's true. So the smaller the goal we have, the less likely we're going to become our greatest self is what I'm here you say. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:03 I think that's a very safe conclusion. interesting what else am I missing here anything else around luck that we haven't talked about well I think that we need to take it more seriously
Starting point is 01:18:22 and realize that we've got a lot more influence over it than perhaps people would think and if luck accounts more for career success than any of these other factors. And talent and all these things like to, yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:39 Yeah. Then we should be courting luck. Yeah. And... Make love to luck. Yeah. You know? Make love to luck.
Starting point is 01:18:50 You talk about in the book, page 27, your brain's first impulse is to scan for danger and unpleasant side effects. You automatically focus on the trouble or setback, the setback or failure causes. it's a brain pattern rooted deep in our survival instincts. We're just wired that way as human beings. As playwright John Dryden put it, self-defense is nature's eldest law. But if we're looking and scanning for danger
Starting point is 01:19:21 or unpleasant side effects, it sounds like constantly failing and having people make fun of us is the greatest psychological threat. Is people making fun of us or criticizing us or judging us or talking badly about us behind our backs or not wanting to be around us. Isn't that a great psychological side effect or threat
Starting point is 01:19:43 that failure and making mistakes and putting out the big goal you're going to go after into the world on people? Yeah, I'm sure that's true, but I think that for many of us, I think we're our own worst grid. Yes, man, that's true. we've already deviate ourselves more than anyone else.
Starting point is 01:20:05 Yeah, yeah. Most people aren't paying that much attention to your life. Right. Don't take yourself that seriously. Yeah, it's true. You know, they're not. They got their own life. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:15 You can get up, start making a speech, and you do something. Maybe you spill some water or just maybe you hit the mic accidentally and on it screeches or something like that. And you feel like a fool, you know, and embarrassed. And you don't want to do any more speech. And the crowd, you're not that important. They weren't that big a deal. They didn't care. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:39 They were oblivious, more or less, you know. That's why I think going back to what you talked about in the beginning, it's so important to manage our mind when we're thinking negatively or self-critical. Yeah. Because being self-critical is not the same thing as being a self-coach. And when you're coaching yourself and you're saying, okay, I'm going to analyze what I did right or wrong today and how I can improve. prove you're giving yourself more empowering feedback based on your failures based on your
Starting point is 01:21:07 setbacks or the mistakes you made towards your goal whereas the critic is just making you feel bad the self-critic so I think try to become more of a self-coach rather than a self-critic in the pursuit of your dreams yeah be careful how you talk to yourself yes you talk to yourself more than anybody else in a world it's true you know and if manage manage going on in your head up there. That's powerful. I love this. I want people to get the book, Lucky you, a psychological strategy for multiplying luck and achieving your big ambitions by Price Pritchett. They can go to your website and get this book, PritchitU2.com. And it'll have this, the book on here. It'll have your accelerator coaching program, which is a new coaching program that you have that can help people
Starting point is 01:21:59 kind of go through your processes, your training to optimize their life. Right. Can you share more about the coaching program? It's an eight-week program, and what we've done is we've distilled these key principles from the U-squared handbook, Quantum Leap Strategy, Lucky U, and in other writings that I've done, like a book I wrote called Hard Optimism and so on. it's an eight-week program and I think it is powerful but it's very minimal effective dose again it's what are those 5% you know that separates signal from noise if 95% of all this stuff out
Starting point is 01:22:50 there that's it's good or maybe it's even junky in the world of how to manage your life and become more successful. What are the, you know, what are those things, though, that are just the real guideposts that give you the high leverage? That's what it's based on. Gotcha. A week program that can go through it. Can you sign up any time and go through it or is it once every quarter or once a month or how is it? Well, this is a fun thing. We just, we're just launching this thing. Oh, okay. Yeah. And our first launch session is in September. Okay. Mid-September. we have another one that we're putting on the calendar in October and then we'll be booking awesome so okay very cool this baby is new brand new the u2 u2 the u2 you guys check it out
Starting point is 01:23:40 pritchett u2.com and they'll take you to that link once you get there you'll see it there a couple final questions for you i think i asked you this the last time and i'm curiously your three truths if um you had to distill all of your work into three lessons, what would those three truths be for you? And maybe you already said it, but I'm curious if you have... I would stick with the same thing I said last time, I think, is... And those three trees are, first of all, you are the most powerful person in your life. It's not your daddy. It's not your boss. It's not your mother.
Starting point is 01:24:21 It's not your best friend. You are the most powerful person in your life, and you have been for a long time secondly you have an amazing capacity for change truly amazing capacity to change and third
Starting point is 01:24:38 you are the solution to your future yeah own it yeah that's beautiful and what's your definition of greatness
Starting point is 01:24:48 last question that's going to depend on the individuals with my definition of greatness well I guess It would be being able to look back at your life, I don't care if you're 35, 45, 65, 65, whatever,
Starting point is 01:25:11 and say, I put myself out there. I put myself out there. I didn't play it too safe. I think we have to do that to be able to say came anywhere with an eye side of greatness. Yeah, no one's getting out there. And probably you're going to have to look back and say, you want to see the huge screw-ups?
Starting point is 01:25:33 Yeah. And not to the countless little ones. Yes, yes. Uh-huh. No one's getting out of this place alive. He might as well go all that. Or error-free. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:25:46 And it's kind of like we tell clients on the very front end of a merger. There's no such thing as a perfect merger. Right. And going slow, trying to get it perfect is the biggest to think you can. make. Wow. Yeah. Price. Thanks so much for being here. Appreciate you, sir. Such a pleasure. Thank you. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's
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