The School of Greatness - Goldie Hawn: “I Had to See a Psychologist” Her 8-Year Journey in Combating Anxiety & Panic Attacks

Episode Date: June 19, 2024

In this episode of The School of Greatness, Lewis sits down with the legendary Goldie Hawn. Goldie shares her wisdom on maintaining a successful career in Hollywood while nurturing long-lasting relationships and raising healthy children. She emphasizes the importance of family as her greatest legacy, the significance of self-love, and the necessity of being present and connected with loved ones. Goldie also delves into her passion for mental health and mindfulness, discussing the creation of her MindUP foundation aimed at helping children develop emotional regulation and resilience. Her stories of perseverance, love, and finding joy in the simple things inspire listeners to embrace happiness and authenticity in their own lives.Check out The Goldie Hawn Foundation | MindUPIn this episode you will learnHow Goldie Hawn balanced a successful Hollywood career with raising a loving family.The importance of self-love and how to project it onto your children.Strategies Goldie used to stay present and connected with her kids despite a hectic schedule.Goldie Hawn's MindUP foundation and its impact on children's emotional regulation and resilience.The significance of finding joy in simple things and building happiness from within.For more information go to www.lewishowes.com/1630For more Greatness text PODCAST to [phone]More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Eckhart Tolle – https://link.chtbl.com/1463-podRhonda Byrne – https://link.chtbl.com/1525-podJohn Maxwell – https://link.chtbl.com/1501-pod

I started having panic attacks. I did not feel comfortable. I didn't want to go to Hollywood. I didn't want to be that person. I didn't want to be a star, certainly. My next guest, you all know. One of the best and most unique performers to ever grace the screen.

Would you welcome Goldie Hawn. Goldie Hawn. I started meditating. It was the most extraordinary experience for me to get out of my head and into my heart. Wow. And I just could feel my heart beating. I kind of met myself again.

Happiness is not anything from the outside. Happiness is what you build on the inside. Wow. The only thing that I did write in my diary was, I wonder if I'll ever find a man that will love my children the way I do. I wondered, you know, I wondered it was possible. What do you think is the biggest lessons that your kids have taught you? I remember the way they made me feel, helped me see, perhaps, God, I wish I'd have been there more. They are the most important pieces of my life. Did you always feel like you had a good sense of self-love?

That's a really interesting question because I haven't been asked that. Did you always have self-love. Welcome back, everyone, to the School of Greatness. Very excited about our guest. We have the inspiring and iconic Goldie Hawn in the house. So good to see you. Welcome. Thank you. Thanks, sweetie.

I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for being here. I love this. I love the School of Greatness. Thank you very much. We all can be great if we focus on that and have sort of a pathway to believe in yourself. 100%. So I love what you're sharing with everybody.

Thank you very much. You have such a, I told my fiance that you were coming on and she was like, man, she's such an icon. She's so inspiring and she's done so much. But the thing that I think is really inspiring and repressive is how you've been able to be successful in your career, especially in Hollywood, which is a challenging industry to be in, while also thriving in an intimate relationship for such a long term. And we were telling, we were talking before off camera, that your kids still want to

hang out with you and they want to spend time with you and be close to you. And I was saying that is a true measure of success when you can live your dreams and your kids still want to be with you as they're adults. Yes. It's the greatest gift in the world. You know, we live very close to each other and we can walk to each other's houses, mostly Oliver lives a little further down and Boston a little further up. But nevertheless, I mean, it's been amazing to have that gift. I thought, oh my God. But when the kids were really younger, even if we got a boat or something to be on, they just wanted us to be on it. Don't invite anybody else. Just have us on it.

Really? Because we have more fun. I mean, we have so much fun together. And we laugh together. I don't know. I'm just so blessed. And now my grandchildren are all together. So it's what makes you one happier? At least I can speak from my point of view than our family. I don't think I don't even imagine my life without that. That's the main thing. Somebody asked me once, because I'm doing a lot of things that could create what you call a legacy. So, you know, what, what would you call your legacy? And I said, my children, my children are our legacy. That's the greatest thing you can put into the world are healthy,

happy, productive children. We're doing okay. What's been the, I mean, with you being able to pursue your career and your dreams and be an actress at the highest level, how do you raise healthy kids while you're also busy, driven in your career as well? How did you do it? Well, it's your instincts, you know? I mean, listen, I did Private Benjamin. Katie was in my arms. I was feeding her. She was nine months old.

So the reality here is that you do what you can. I think it's like having children. It's like playing baseball. You never take your eye off the ball. That's good. That's true. Interesting. You never take your eye off the ball. That's good. That's true. You never take your eye off the ball. That's the problem. Because even if I was working, I would connect to my kids, I'd find out what they ate, I'd make sure, you know, and I'd try to get home before their bath.

This is an area they know when you're not present and they know when you are and you can't lie to them so you know i just try to be the best you can be and we're not perfect so that's the i think intention to be the best parent you can be is pretty much all all we can do i mean oh you go to the park. Oh, we play together. Oh, we do this together. But love is everything. That builds happier brains, I can tell you. 100%. Now, did you always feel like you had a good sense of self-love your entire career or in previous relationships that maybe weren't working out? How do you keep that sense of self-love and project it on your kids when maybe you're not going through a good situation? That's a really interesting question because I haven't been asked that.

Did you always have self-love? I had my insecurities. I didn't think I was very pretty I was flat chested I was not what the girl the guys looked at but I never I never lost self love really? no I mean there are situations to get out of

and I've had a heck of a lot of them but I don't think I never thought I could do it. I always felt I could do it. And that's believing in yourself. You know, I was left off on 10th Avenue when I was 18 going to New York to dance at the World's Fair. So I had my first job, and I had nowhere to stay because the people I was supposed to stay with left for the summer. And I'm standing there on 10th Avenue going, now what do I do? And that's kind of who I am, right? Let's solve the problem. You know, let's not go too much about the I in all there. Let's just try to get me a place to stay tonight.

How did you, where did you go then? I went to my dance teacher and my choreographer. And I stayed with him for about three days until I found an apartment. Wow. So you went to the next best solution. What's the next best thing to try? Yes, exactly. A solution oriented sort of how my brain works.

So if there's something going wrong, like a film that I was directing at one point after I was filming, it was called Hope. It was for Turner. I then, I was having just the best time. I loved it. incredible scene. And the scene that I had to do had was all edited. All we had to do a lot of editing on. And it was really a long scene and it was done all day with kids fighting and all this stuff going on. And what happened was someone came at dinner and said, oh, my God, we've lost the entire day because the film at that time it was film and that was exposed. When that was exposed, I asked everybody to leave my trailer so I could start thinking of a solution. Instead of getting flappable and angry and who did this and who did that, we just have to create solutions to our life.

It isn't poor me. It's how I'm going to actually execute me. So that's what happened, and it actually turned out better having caught it and then brought it outside and shot it in one shot. Interesting. Redoing it. Redoing it. Made it better. Redoing it. So we think things are terrible. And if we really take a look at them, they're not as bad as it seems. Wow. So did you feel like you always had self-love maybe in

earlier relationships that weren't working out or marriages that weren't working out? Did you keep that sense of self-love? relationships. My first relationship that I had was we were both dancers and that was awesome. And he's Greek and I loved the Greeks. That was a big Greek period for me. And he is wonderful and he's gifted and he was a dancer and so was I. The problem that happens in that is that you don't lose necessarily love, but the life is changing. Because I couldn't walk into a room, it was laugh-in period, and I couldn't walk into a room without people looking at me. I'm saying that because it was all like, boom, what happened to that person? It was like it blew up. You blew up. Yeah, I blew up. And that's not fun to have a partner who isn't blowing up.

And I can say he was doing amazingly well and so forth, but it's just, it's a crazy thing. There's no balance there. And that wasn't pleasant for him. Do you think it's possible for someone in a relationship when they're both not well-known, for someone in a relationship when they're both not well known where one can all of a sudden get a lot of notoriety or fame or success or an abundance of something and the other one hasn't grown there can they still make it work do you think it's very hard it's very hard especially well i mean there there's you know degrees of success, right? It's very hard in people who are outward facing that you see that are famous or whatever because there's no secrecy anymore. You can't hold back. You can't wish now not to be so exposed. You can't anymore. you can't anymore. So everything eats away a little bit at a time. If you don't have inner stability, then it'll eat, it can eat away at you. There's no doubt about it. We're not made

of steel, you know, and, uh, and there's no much of like reinforcing of that person of like, oh, it's, everything's good. If they're not feeling good about themselves. Exactly. And it can undermine self-esteem, undermine sense of self. And that's just not good. I mean, everybody needs to find a purpose. Everybody needs to find their center. And sometimes you can get off balance when you're with a partner that is so celebrated. And with that comes money. And money is very tough.

The whole idea of money has so much power. Just the idea of money creates power. So having a lot of money and gaining money really sounds really good. Back in the day, I remember thinking, well, we'll just put everything in a pot. I was so young. I mean, I was 23 or something. And kind of share it together. And yeah, just throw it in a pot. You know, we'll do this. We'll do this. And it'll all be cool. But when you're bringing 95 percent and they're bringing 5 percent. No. And you buy a house and they don't own it or they own part of it, but not enough. And it's, I swear, it just, what is it?

Erodes. Really? Erodes some of your relationship. Well, you can start out feeling very optimistic, but if you don't, if you realize it, you always have to remember what it is you love about that person. What is it you couldn't live without with that person? In order to nurture your choice. Because that's the most important thing.

And then if that is going to eat you up and get under your skin, male or female. Females, of course, it's easier because girls are not supposed to make all the money and they're not supposed to be powerful and they're not supposed to be the decision makers and they're not supposed to. And that goes from the cave days. OK, this is very cavey. It's very cavey. Some boys can't always help themselves. And we get that. You know, always help themselves.

And we get that. So when a woman has all the money and a woman has all the ideas and has all the power and makes the decisions and so forth, there's a little part of the woman that feels like she'd love to have a man taking care of her. Wow. No matter how rich they are. I mean, this is powerful. What advice do you have for women now who want to make their own money, who want to have their own successful career, who want to share their art in the world and be celebrated for it? What advice do you have for them about finding a male partner and what they should be looking for to have a healthy, successful relationship as well as career? Yeah, well, that's very subjective because

you have to find someone that's a friend, first of all, that can be a friend. And also someone, you have to know yourself to know that if you're falling sexy with somebody or you want to fool around, you want to have fun. That can happen with no money at the table. It's really important to look at yourself, what your needs are and show boundaries for yourself. Because if you don't have boundaries and know that this will never work and know that it will never work, I don't want to feel guilty when I come home and I bring a paycheck that's more than he is that way. Or you figure out when you're together as parents, and the husband isn't doing quite as well, and the wife is flourishing, they exchange jobs. And they're pretty good at it. It's really, really nice when you have that.

It's rare, but it does happen. And then you have such value for each other in so many ways. But it is very subjective. So remember when you get attracted to somebody and he happens to be something wonderful, but not necessarily making anywhere near the money you are, you just take a look at it and make sure that you don't jump into something before you realize you'll resent later. Have you, I mean, have you seen anyone in the industry, I guess, Hollywood industry who, where women who have had made more money than the men they're with be successful in relationships as well, long-term?

Have you, have you seen that? Well, I'm, you know, I'm not a, what is it? In other words, I know some people in the industry, let's put it that way. But I'm not somebody who knows everybody. Right. Okay. And we see people who get married again and they go back and they get together. And I think it's very nice because the ones when you get married again, that's what Liz and Richard did.

You know, when we were doing Richard Burton, they got married for a second time you know so there's always something there you know there's some electricity there they said that they can't live without um but I really I really haven't the people that I do know actually are do pretty well uh with that pretty well pretty well with that um but but there's artists and there's all kinds of things that you love about that person and you want to stay there. So that's what I would suggest. My issue that I never, I mean, I had men in my life, but never for marriage. And I knew that.

Really? So you'd be seeing them or dating them, but you were like, okay. I'd date them. They're wonderful. Wonderful, fun, but you were like, okay. I'd date them or- They're wonderful. Wonderful, fun, great. I mean, really. But they were not family. Really?

No. And also, I had much more money and much more whatever at that point. Than all of them. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. How do you separate your emotional connection towards these relationships knowing they're not going to stay with you long term? Those relationships. Knowing that you're not going to potentially commit long term.

How do you navigate the emotions of knowing like, hey, this is a lot of fun and we're hanging out and connecting for a few months. But also knowing this isn't the guy for me. I think there's kind of sex is important. So when you're having a good sexual relationship with someone, that doesn't always mean you love them. It means you have fun with them. And that actually could be a pull, but you can't be blindsided by that emotion and that hormone.

That's a challenge. That bonds a challenge. That bonds a lot of people, right? It's very bonding because there's things that happen after your orgasm, you know, where you're having all these hormones, you know, and oxytocin and all this stuff that makes you feel very close to that person. But I think we have to have conversations with ourselves, private conversations with ourselves, and look at the truth of what this is. And I was with someone, and I just had the best time.

And he was really funny and really great. Not going to be the father. Really? No, because for me, I wanted to know that I would find someone who loves my children as much as I do. Wow. And I wasn't going to take anything less. Wow. Yeah.

Wow. That's interesting. It sounds like, so you were married twice before, correct? Mm-hmm. And then we were talking off camera about how you met him in the same year I was born, about months before I was born, you guys met. You occurred, right? I know.

I mean, it's so crazy looking at you because you're a man. 41 years ago. I'm a man. You met him 41 years ago. You were a man. And you came out a baby boy. Isn't that crazy? It's so funny.

A month after you guys met or you got together, I came out. You did. You did. met or you got together yeah i came out you did and what if you can go back to that time how have you been able to make that work where you guys have been able to you know raise two different families come together join families and be happily together for 41 years in this industry we both look at each other and go oh my god can you believe it um you have to want a relationship to work you just do i mean there's all kinds of arguments that come up and things you don't agree on and all this stuff and you know i mean kurt and i don't have

a big you know we don't always align politically and um but you know i I like him. Whatever he thinks or all this stuff, I think, well, you know, that's his thought. So you have to individuate because your man or your woman is not ever going to be everything, the perfect dream. And they're not going to be just like you. You know, I think if I had somebody agreeing with me all the time, I'd go crazy just like you. You know, I think if I had somebody agreeing with me all the time, I'd go crazy because there's no friction. There's no, so, but when you get into these dilemmas and having a relationship to sex and all the things that go, that happen when you're on a movie set, it really turns, it's like a family. And then you can actually create these relationships that feel very deep. They feel very connected.

And it's a caution because there could be relationships that are happening there that you're not even aware of. And all of a sudden you're realizing that's all I'm thinking about. And you've got somebody at home, boyfriend or husband or whatever. And I think men are more vulnerable in many ways because they're more, you know, sort of visually active. They don't necessarily want to marry the person, but, you know, they want to, excuse the French, you know, do the old hand out. Yeah. And so that's kind of who, you know, how it works. And so it's fragile, you know, because you can't help but think, oh, my God, I mean, he's going to work. It was such a beautiful girl.

I mean, I mean, God, how's he going to resist that? How did you navigate that when he might be on set doing, you know, intimate scene or something or with beautiful people around? And how did you guys both navigate that? You're doing the different scenes as well. You just navigate it. You just know that she's beautiful and whatever. You realize that men are a little different than women. They can have reactions in ways that women can hide or don't.

We're much more skillful, I would say. And who got us excited. But, you know, I don't feel that we had many challenges that way. No. I mean, I certainly, he didn't for me, and I did for him probably a few times. I just, just natural, natural wonder. Like got insecure or jealous a little bit or something? I was never jealous. That's a different word. But I've always been sort of thinking about what if.

And he was so sexy and great and such a brilliant actor. But at the end of the day, through all of these things, children and parents and our parents and all the different things that you go through, the different houses you build or that you have or the time you are, the time you spend with your children, then your grandchildren start coming. And what happens is, is that if you like that person, if you want to be together, if one person doesn't want to be together because they feel they're getting older and now they have to deal with a young person or to shore up their security about being a man and I'm whatever. And that happens a lot, particularly with wealthy men. So that happens. There's all this crap that can happen, right? But if two people don't want it to happen and only one does, forget it. It's not going to work. If the two people want that because we love family, because this is what we're together,

we love each other, we love to play together, we've got great sex together. You get through this stuff at the end of the day when your grandchildren start coming. You have a whole different, I would say, feeling of springtime because you kind of fall in love again. Really? Yeah. If you've done it right, you're there for each other. And as people get older, there's more vulnerability. on if you're with an abusive partner, get out. There's no question that narcissism is alive and well. And some narcissists are actually quite successful.

Most of them are. And they don't have a lot of empathy. And we look at that and go, oh, my God, this is terrible. And they're just awful in relationships, terrible. So if you show them that you're there because you're the supply. So let's say I have a narcissistic, which I don't. But what happens is that you become the out front person. So we call that supply.

So you put out the pretty thing in the front. You put all these things out. And then the next thing you know, if you say anything wrong or do anything wrong, it's a nightmare. So it's all great out front. But when they come home to home, they can really be abusive. Get out. Yeah. I mean, there is no cure for this. It is making the one

who's being abused neurotic. And you do can get neurotic. And then you don't have self-love. Then you wonder why you're still there. Wow. Then you can't get out. And then he's all of a sudden the nicest person in the world or vice versa. And suddenly you're sucked back in. Now that you've got you, then it's a war cycle. I know a lot of women who are in relationships like this. Wow. And you can't get out.

You can get out. But he'll follow you. There are things that will happen because of it. There's nervousness and there's seduction. And you end up really not liking yourself. So there's a way to, I think, for your own good in those relationships, you have to really individuate. You're not a couple. You're dealing with a person who needs what they call supply.

Right. you're dealing with a person who needs what they call supply right in which case you have to look at yourself again an existential examination of who you are and if you want to feel proud of yourself instead of feeling like an object like this get out support your friends have them support you but it's it's quite something. So there's two people who want to be together and are kind to each other most of the time. We're working toward the very thing that we can build to make us happy. Happiness is not anything from the outside. Cars, burn, money, thing, whatever. Happiness is what you build on the inside. Really identifying the things that make you happy, whether it's flowers, whether it's walks, whether it's slowing down, whether it's looking at mountains, climbing mountains,

being out. I've looked at a lot of nature, but it's also giving back makes you so happy. Your children, I know that can make you crazy, but just think of how wonderful they are. So that's, I think, what we have to do. Happiness starts from the inside. That's beautiful. What do you think is the biggest lessons that your kids have taught you? Children teach you a lot.

We don't listen to them enough. What have they taught me? Maybe not something they said as a lesson, but something from experiencing them as a fellow you. Yeah. Well, they will speak to what they might have had, like if I was working a lot. But I'm honestly trying to think of what they taught me. It's really more of what they gave me.

What did they give you? Yeah, that's really more of what they gave me. What did they give you? Yeah, that's, that's all. What, what, you know, what little gifts did they give you? I mean, my, my son and, I mean, you know, I just, I can't, I don't, I don't want to speak about them behind their back, but they're amazing people. And I remember the way they made me feel and helped me see perhaps, God, I wish I'd have been there more. Oh, I didn't go to that game or that hockey game. And I was away and I took this trip.

And maybe I shouldn't have taken the trip because it was like three weeks away from him when they were little and we we observe ourselves and and we beat ourselves up sometimes but I learned probably from my children that they are the most important pieces of my life. And I wish I always could have been given them more. Really?

Yeah. But you know, when they do this, may I kiss your royal ring, mommy? That's a lesson in happiness. It allows you to see what makes you happy.

You know, we have this very interesting thing in our brain, which is called metacognition, which means that we can see ourselves. We can witness ourselves. So you can witness yourself. That means you go a little bit above you and watch what you're doing. Watch what you're saying. Look at it and go, ooh, shouldn't have said that. Right? And so when you have this feeling of metacognition, you get to see what it is that you're in. And it makes you so grateful when you're looking at what your children are sharing with you.

It's the greatest. It's the greatest thing in the world. Wow. Yeah. I'm not a parent yet, but I have been called more and more lately to want to be a parent. And I'm just curious, what lessons would you have for someone who isn't a parent yet? Don't overthink it. Do not overthink it.

It's very natural. You have to ask yourself, what are your qualities? Do you listen? Are you a good listener? Clearly you are because I'm rambling on right now. And your anxiety around it. Is it going to take too much time? You know, there's all kinds of things that interrupt your life.

There's no doubt about it. Children interrupt your life. But you were still able to have a great career and act and create. Oh, yeah. But especially for your first one. Well, my third one, and then that was like, oh, give me five more. But your first one and your second one's a little easier. Your third one is, you know, boom. I was never anxious. I wanted children so bad. So I never read a book on parenting. I never read a book

because you have to be truly with your ability to manage your emotions and stress and be aware and stuff like that. It's like the natural, it was natural for me. I wasn't precious on it. It was just natural. And then what you realize is, is that after you go through the pregnancy, which is always beautiful for the most part, very romantic and, you know, all that, then the baby, you know, comes out very exciting. We're all going to say, and the same thing that happened with, you know, with the first brother, let's say, and it comes along to a second child. They are all excited about the baby until it gets here.

Because all your attention is on the new baby. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. I mean, the big acting out and what they do and so forth. And you realize, well, you've got to pay attention to them and let them hold the baby and those things. Right. But having this what's it like, you can't describe you you can't i couldn't describe it for you again it's very subjective uh what it feels like to see your baby

come out that is it's just a miracle wow and when you see, and it looks a little like you and a little like this, and oh my God, I mean, I don't, it's just such a miracle that I don't even, I mean, like, I remember I walked around pregnant all these times, and every time I got pregnant, it was a blessing. And I thought, oh my God, I am the vessel carrying this human being. I'm so lucky. I get to be the harbor of the growth of a human being. And I was beyond honored to be a female. And then I had an emergency C-section, so I did all C-sections, so I didn't have the birth and all that.

But I did birth these children. And when I saw them, it's just crazy. It really is. And then you think, well, what am I going to do here? Is there chaos in the beginning? Yeah, the baby's crying. She's on the thing, goes on the breast, has to do the nursing and all that stuff. And then daddy sometimes feels

a little helpless it's like what do i do yeah what i do whatever but then you're building friendships for the rest of your life wow how did you learn to trust in love again after you know a couple of marriages not working out now you have kids how do you trust to love again how do you trust someone to co-parent with you uh someone new in your life kids how do you trust to love again how do you trust someone to co-parent with you uh someone new in your life like how do you with these precious kids that you have how did you do that it was hard but not for long you know i i i'm i know i needed a man to help me you me raise the children in an even way. I have a male influencer that loved them.

But I never doubted. I can't explain it. I didn't live in anxiety that way. The only thing that I did write in my diary was, I wonder if I'll ever find a man that will love my children the way I do. And I was weepy that evening. I don't know if I was on my second glass of wine yet or not. I was like, I wondered, you know, I wonder if it was possible.

And it was clearly possible. Right. 41 years later. It's incredible. I can say it's pretty possible. Right. 41 years later. It's incredible. I can say it's pretty great. Wow. How did you know that?

I mean, I know you wrote it down. I wonder if it's possible. How long did it take for you to create that possibility for that moment of writing that down? Two or three years. Yeah. Because some women or men will go years just, you know, dating people where they're like, this isn't the one and they think it's never going to happen for them. So how did you keep the faith and the trust that you would attract the right person? I was very busy working. I had my focus on the kids and I had focus on my family. Daddy was still alive and my mother and all that. And, you know, I didn't fret.

You know, I just didn't. In fact, I really enjoyed having just another female in the house taking care of the kids and there wasn't a man in the house. You know, at least one that wasn't nuts a crazy man living no not really i mean but but the truth is is that i i didn't have any anxiety about that so you weren't anxious to be in the right relationship or to find someone or no i mean i felt i had the wherewithal to take care of the children with help and with my mom and dad and, you know, everybody. And so I didn't, but I do remember a friend of mine who's well-known, but I won't mention his name, but I remember he came home. He's a really good friend of mine. And he came

home and I was, we'd just gone out to an event together. And he dropped me. He didn't drop me off. He came in to see if I was okay and saw Oliver sleeping. And he was in front of the TV. And he picked him up and he took him upstairs. And, you know, and then he came down and said, you know, going up there. And then when I came down, he said, I can't believe you're doing this alone. And then when I came down, he said, I can't believe you're doing this alone.

And that meant a lot because I was, but there was no heroism in that. There was just fun. You know, I mean, worrying is the worst thing you can do. Live your life. Enjoy the things that you enjoy. And then don't wait too long because oftentimes what happens is you get very addicted to your own way of living, you know? I mean, I leave the light on when I do this. I do the thing in the bathroom light. I always flush the toilet three times. I'm making this up. But so when you live with somebody, it's like you think somebody is going to take all that stuff away.

You have to deal with it. It's not untrue. I mean, I said I don't think I said for 40 years every night Kurt said I said, how did you turn the light out? And he said, oh, I just thought you want nightlight. I said, no, I like to sleep in the dark. 40 years. I mean, oh, my God. It was so funny.

He wants a nightlight but i mean it's sort of like that but it's just you'll know you'll meet someone and you'll know and if you squeeze the sand too much it'll fall right out of your hand so hold it nice and easy i mean the thing that I'm inspired by you is you have this sense of, you know, this meditation you've learned, strategies, neuroscience, you're a fan of, you're a researcher of the mind. But a lot of people know you as just this

successful actress, right? What made you really fascinated about understanding about the mind, neuroscience, meditation? I had a very serious anxiety problem, and it was panic attacks. And I got that when I was dancing, and I was happy. I was a dancer. That's what I did. And I loved it.

And I was in L.A. I was so excited. And I had just come back from dancing in Vegas, and I went to an audition. And that audition, actually, I got the job. I was like, oh, my God. I was so excited. And my mom, you know, I called my mom and dad. I said, oh, my God, I'm going to be on a tennis arena for a show.

And the choreographer was, like, so excited. He said, I'm always going to use you. And I was so happy. There was an agent that came up, and he invited. He said to me, do you – I'm just basically covering the show at William Morris. He said, but. There was an agent that came up and he invited, he said to me, do you, I'm just basically covering the show at William Morris. He said, but do you have an agent? And I said, no, I don't.

And he said, well, here, come and see me Wednesday after the show is over because it was going to be filmed. We were rehearsing. I didn't pay any mind to it because I just come from New York, believe me. I got as much Me Too issues as anybody could imagine. And I thought, no, no, no,

you're not going to, I get it. So they call me at my apartment in Hollywood and said, Ms. Holland, blah, blah, blah. Yes. Oh, we're waiting for you. And I said, oh my God, you mean this is real? Yeah. So I got in my car, I drove to William Morris, and I sat there while they talked about me and around me. And I'm watching back and forth like, oh, oh, oh. And they said, well, if you want to sign her, you can. And this was a young agent. He was a junior agent. And they signed me. And about a week later, I went up for this job, Desilu Studios, back in the day. And I got this job. And I went, well, wait a minute. I said to this agent, my new agent, I couldn't have gotten the job. They said that I was too young for that part.

He said, no, no, they wrote in a part for you. Wow. A different part. A different part. A different part. And so that's what happened. And what happened was I then became anxious around it because I thought, first of all, I was going to eventually go home and open a dancing school and get married and be happy. And these were things I saw my life doing. Well, you can't always plan your life. In fact,

you never can, as long as you stay open for the possibilities. So my point is, is that I then became anxious, and then I started having panic attacks. I did not feel comfortable. I didn't want to go to Hollywood. I didn't want to be that person. I didn't want to be a star, certainly. And when I was 11 years old, people said to me, I wanted to be a dancer or a star or do on Broadway. And I said, no, I just want to be happy. And I was 11. And I remember this and I thought, oh, they look surprised. Interesting. But happiness is something I've always kept primo in my mind. Premier happiness. That any unhappiness that I was experiencing, I either learn for it or walk away from it. And so that's what happened. I wasn't going to be dancing anymore. I wasn't going to be a dancer anymore. My life had changed is what happened. And so I went to a doctor. And answer to your question, long-winded answer.

And I went to a psychologist and I worked with him for eight years. Wow, really? How old were you when you started? 21. Okay. And I went to him. It took me a year to start, you know, start to work through but it was the most fascinating experience because once again if you're watching

yourself try to get better, smarter healthier, however then your mind can become just a treasure trove of possibilities it's incredible so oddly enough I did the Freudian way back then and that had some brilliance to it because he created something when you said free associate you'd have to lie down on the bed on

the you know the the what they have a you know the small sort of reclining chair whatever and you had to think of you know whatever comes whatever comes to your mind, whatever, no matter what. Could be chewing gum. Could be, you know, one time I was, I had an old Corvette and it was given to me for a parade or something. And it really looked like a penis. I mean, it was this long with a thing and whatever. And I drove it around. And one of my things I remember saying when I laid down and pre-associated is I said, I feel like I'm my car.

I feel like I'm driving a penis. So that was the first thing that came to my head, right? But you have to be honest and say what's coming into your head, right? You've got to be clear. It could be some terrible stuff. That wasn't so terrible. But it was the idea that I had, which I thought was kind of odd. So, you know, when you go through the examination of your

own mind without, with freely, without censoring, this is really important to be able to grow from these various things. What happens is that you think you're feeling fine, you go in there and you start either free associating or talking. And the next thing you know is you're either crying because something happened. There's all kinds of veils that get lifted from your eyes and from your vision. And that's what's so beautiful. then then it's like a window gets open in your brain and suddenly that fear of whatever isn't there anymore so so that was my interest and i continued that right so i was just learning and learning and learning at that point i called it the university of me and um for eight years right yeah yeah and then inside of that 1972, I started meditating.

Really? Wow. Before it was big. Well, it was the Beatles then. You know, it was like Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. And he was the guy that did TM, Transcendental Meditation. Yep, yep. And I was initiated to that.

Very simple. You get a mantra and so forth. And I will tell you. You can't share your mantra, right? No, you're not supposed to share your mantra. But I can't even explain it because it was so visceral. But it was the first time I sat down and I really focused on the quiet, the breath, the smell, the scent of the incense, the wind from the window that was moving the curtains. And I sat there, and it was the most extraordinary experience for me to get out of my head and into my heart. Wow. And I just could feel my heart beating.

I was so happy. I kind of met myself again because I am a happy person by nature. And all of the struggles and all those things, it just unlocked my true joy. And even today, all dying when I meditate, I just, I actually, my heart gets so full that I actually have a tear or two that comes down. Because it's just such a beautiful feeling. You know, the feeling of nothing. Feeling of nothingness. And yet you're in the middle of nothingness.

And yet that's when you're flourishing. I can't explain it, but it was beautiful. So that's when I started meditating. And then I started learning about the brain. Wow. So you've been meditating for 50 years. Mm-hmm. Now, did you start, when did you, I mean, we've got the, I guess the Oscars are coming up here soon after this interview.

When did you win your Oscar? Were you meditating by then or? That was 1971. So it was like right around that time, right before, right around that time. Yeah, it was Peter Sellers' movie, and I was doing that in London. And I'd been nominated for an Academy Award for my first movie, which I thought was completely crazy. And then I went to work, and and I was making there's a girl in

my soup in London with Peter and I just forgot that they were on television that night so I got a call saying Goldie way to go you got it and I said I? He said, you got the Academy Award. You won. You won Best Supporting Actress. And I went, oh, my God. I didn't know they were on television last night. Wow. And it was like one of those stories. It's just like, oh, my God, I can't believe it.

Then I called my mom and dad, and it was just so great. But I wasn't thinking about them. I wasn't looking at that and by the way those days you know they didn't stop the music for the academy awards it wasn't the biggest thing no it was big but it was very very local in other words yes it was on television in the uk it wasn't a global thing it wasn't't a global thing. They weren't selling diamonds and people coming in there and going, come to our room, I'll give you a diamond. It was quite different. But Fred Astaire was the one who announced my name,

and that was my idol, my true idol. Wow. And I didn't get to see it. Oh, man. Yeah, except Jimmy Kimmel and I were on a plane and he said, did you ever see that clip? And I said, no. He said, I'm going to send it to you. And he sent me just, I

don't know, a year ago, maybe less. Really? He sent it to me and it was him saying my name. And the winner is, and I heard him say my name. It was like music. And I cried. So at least I was able, even all this time later, to be able to have an emotional connection.

Wow. What was that? I mean, so you weren't able to accept the award on stage. This was, what, 50 years ago? A year ago, you got to watch the actual clip of being awarded. And so what was that like? I mean, that's like a going back in time did you kind of relive that if you were accepting it on stage or not at all i mean i

don't go back in time you know i know that there are things that remind you of what was right uh but but and and yes you can go down memory lane and and do all that. And I think what I don't do is walk backwards. So it's always what's ahead. No, that experience of watching it was emotional because I was looking at Fred Astaire say my name. That's pretty cool. And that was important to me. So what is life like after winning an Academy Award? Did you have more anxiety

because there was more pressure? Did you feel more joy? What was that like? No, I didn't feel any of that. I made a deal when I did Cactus Flower, and there were three other movies I had to do, and they were all set. They were already agreed upon. I was a new fresh face, right? So really nothing happened. I just worked on things like, you know, I think there's, let's see which one. There's A Girl in My Soup was one of them with Peter Sellers, I think. So I was paid a certain incremental amount for each movie. It wasn't anything to knock your socks off. And I just worked. And I think ultimately, when you start, you know, look at your life and everything, because I was a ballet dancer from

three and worked that way all the way. I'm a worker bee. I mean, I just work. I either make movies I decided to produce, you know, and I made these decisions for very practical reasons. Nothing to make my career better, but only to make my ability to control what I did because I felt that I wasn't going to be the Meryl Streep of the world. I was going to be a special kind of strange entity. Yes, funny. Yes, this and the other. But so I felt producing was probably smart because then I could pick and choose what I wanted to throw light on in society, either for women or for people that we wanted to produce movies for. So I was kind of a business person, to tell you the truth, of looking at that and looking at what we can make funny that's actually quite serious. at that and looking at what we can make funny that's actually quite serious well i mean as a you mentioned how you were in ballet you want to be a dancer you wanted to open a dancing school

but then life shifted for you and you had more opportunities right you you had opportunities to act and do other things how did you let go of this dream you had your entire life of being a dancer and opening a dance in school? How did you let go of it and mourn it, even though you had other success and opportunities coming your way? Well, I don't know that I mourned it after I've been doing so much work on myself. I didn't mourn it. It was just a reality. And by the way, it was pretty great. I was doing a lot of movies. I was doing stuff. I was fascinated by what I was doing. I didn't mourn it. It was just a reality. And by the way, it was pretty great. I was doing a lot of movies.

I was doing stuff. I was fascinated by what I was doing. I loved it. And also, just to let you know, I had done some acting. So it wasn't just a dancer. I mean, I did Romeo and Juliet in Lake Motoka Amphitheater, which was about 3,000 people in an open amphitheater. And it started to rain. And I think it's probably

one of the greatest things that's ever... Other than my children and the Academy Award or Golden Globes or whatever, was my father went to... I was dancing there, but I wanted to play Juliet and I got the part. And these are all like high level actors from Catholic University and all this stuff. I was about eight, 17, maybe 17. And I got the part and I learned all of it in about two weeks. It just shows you a young brain. And then I did it. And then it was like the sky opened up. It was raining, and it was an amphitheater. And I was doing the speech, you know, the, what do you call it, the potion speech? And no one left the theater.

It was unbelievable, and I didn't know whether to stop or go on. Just pouring down on you in the middle of the scene. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't pouring, but it was definitely, it was raining. So anyway, then, but my dad came back and my father was the greatest. He was a musician. He had the mind of a musician. He was incredible. But anyway, he wasn't always the one that would throw his arms and, you know, I love you, honey. You know, he was very pristine and elegant. And he came back and I was standing there backstage and he said, go. Where did you learn to do that?

And he was just lost it. And for me, that was the greatest moment for me. Wow. As an actress. I mean, truly, truly, truly. My father was so taken aback, so proud of me. And that mattered so much to me. So that was one thing.

So in all due whatever, I had acted before. Sure, sure. Wow. What was the greatest lesson that your parents each taught you? Be real. Be real. Look at reality. Reality is basically what you're going to live with

and any expectation isn't. My father was a great philosopher. And my mother told me, let me tell you something. There's many people on the casting couch, but you, when you're up for a job, you better be ready. You better be ready and you better be appropriately, well, basic, not appropriately. You better be aware that what you need to do. Oh, I know what she said. Because it's not the producers that are going to make you a star or make you get the job.

It's the people that will love you. The people that will be able to want you back again for whatever reason. It was very kind of prophetic because I never- The audiences? People were- She said, it's the audience that you have to win. Not the producers

casting directors no no you prove that you know what you're doing you've worked on your craft you be ready when the time comes how do you win over an audience if the producer or casting director doesn't give you the opportunity or the roles well that's if they do when they do makes you win over the audience yeah i mean that's obviously they didn. When they do, makes you win over the audience. I mean, that's obviously, when they don't, you know, they're those guys. Right, right, right. They're those guys, especially if you don't put out. How do you master your craft to win over an audience, whether it be music, art, dance, film? You can't answer that question.

You don't master your art in order to do anything. master your art in order to do anything. You master your art to be able to create something that starts in your heart. There are many forms of art, painting as well. But this feeling of, it's like people used to say to me, because my father's a musician, do you play an instrument? I said, yes, I play myself. I play my body. I play myself because I'm also an instrument. Yes. So in a way, you can't describe what that feels like when you're in the flow. And I think the only outcome is that you know. You know. It's like people that actually know all the sports or all

the aerobics or all the acrobatics or the gymnasts or whatever. They know they landed properly. They know their balance is perfect. You just kind of know. and so that's the difference between thinking too much you're asking a lot of questions about what do you think when this happens what do you think with that you know and and how do you prove if you're whatever but and i and i love it i love the questions but some of them there are not not always the right on answers because art and creating art is so deep and how we get these ideas on writing or how I got my idea on what I'm doing with children. That stuff comes to you in the strangest ways.

So that's the part of feeling free to improvise with your mind, you know. That's powerful. What was the art that you created that you were most proud of? Maybe it was a big hit. Maybe no one liked it at all. But you were most proud of on how it made you feel and how you showed up for the year. Well, there's a few. So, you know, it's not just one.

I mean, because everything has its own personality. I think Steven Spielberg and I did a movie together, his first movie, and probably that would be one of the ones I felt just completely aligned and the best with. Really? Yeah, Sugarland Express. He was young, I was

young, similar age, maybe a year or so apart. We had the best time. Wow. And it was a really wonderful movie about a young girl who really had a baby and she was in a low

security prison, to true story, and then she breaks her husband out of another security because he's, they're just kind of stupid people, you know. I mean, not everybody's going to say how they're stupid, but it's kind of like she was just hell bent on getting her baby back because the people there that have them was social inter-services and they had the baby right it's a fantastic movie and very much of its time Wow what's cult Sugarland Express Steven Spielberg's first film and I was honored

to be in it and he said to me Goldie you, you approved me for that movie. And I said, what? He said, yeah, if you hadn't approved me, I wouldn't have done it. And I went, oh my God. I mean, that's too much to put on my shoulders. Wow. Glad I did. His first movie. Yeah. Because I, I was already like laughing. I had a basic deal at, uh, at, uh, uh, Universal, you know, as producer. Wow. I started young, man. That's amazing. I know. So inspiring.

But I had a dancing school, you know, at 16 and 17. I was already in Maryland, which is where I'm from. I created a dancing school. I advertised in my mother's store, The Window. I mean, so sometimes it's just in you. You have that hustle, that mindset, yeah. Exactly. I don't know how and where, but how that all happened.

I'm curious about, you know, why you decided to create your foundation, Mind Up Foundation for Kids, which is really about giving them tools and resources to be more mindful. Yes, to actually have more agency over their emotions, which is what we're doing today. We don't ask our children, in other words, we ask them, sorry, to learn, but we don't give them any pathway to understanding their brain. And that's exactly what we do. But what happened when I, the reason I got that is because I was doing a documentary in search of joy, because I believe that we as humans are not experiencing, especially in the developed world, enough happiness. Why do you think that is? enough happiness.

Why do you think that is? There's a lot of things that could be. You know, I mean, very industrialized places. London was very low on the happiness scale. The UK, we had what country was on the high level of happiness. The more you get into the third world, the more you find out people that are actually happier. Isn't that interesting?

Yeah, it's very interesting. Why do you think certain cities, not all cities, but certain cities with more wealth and more opportunities have less happiness than other places in the world with potentially less opportunities and wealth have greater happiness? Well, first of all, Denmark was one of the centers for the happiest people in the world. But there's also a financial sort of socialism. The one thing that was discovered about happiness is if people had just enough money to get by, doctors taken care of, schools paid for, that basically the system took care of them in a way where they didn't have the anxiety around all of those things, that that particular aspect of that,

which I thought was pretty amazing, because you don't pay much to go to the hospital. And all of it says, well, socialized medicine is not great. But I can tell you one thing. If you're happier, you'll be healthier. So this was one of them. And okay, so I want to do this documentary in search of joy around the world, which I started. We were talking to HBO. And it was very interesting because everybody was like, that's interesting. Now, what is it? What is it? It's searching for more happiness.

It's understanding that this is a mosaic of what's going on in the world, which was interesting because it became a cottage industry, happiness, because this was 23 years ago. Wow. happiness because this was 23 years ago. Wow. So now 9-11 happens and I'm involved with the brain, involved with happiness, understanding where it sits, you know, where does happiness exist? How does it affect the brain? And I then decided that these children are going to be traumatized from this 9-11 and that I want to be able to create something that can put in their classroom where they can create more optimism, more happiness. And so I took what I was doing and created MindUp. And I wanted to give that to them, but I wanted to give it to them because just changing a few things and making the classroom

an optimistic classroom, making it a place to have an ethos, which is happiness and positivity, that would help the children feel happier and better because I could see that they were really not. They were showing signs. And when I found out that 10-year-old children were committing suicide back then, I lost it because I can't even talk about that. When you kill children who are so young, are taking their lives, it's sort of who's doing what wrong, you know? And so now I made that, it just was part of my life. And what I did was, I had it measured, the program, because it teaches how the brain, basically the emotional brain works, not the whole brain, but they learn about that. And they learn about the amygdala, the prefrontal cortex, which is the thinking brain,

the amygdala, which is the reactive brain, and the part of the brain and the hippocampus, which is where we have remember. So once they learn about all these parts and what they do, which is very simple, is that they know our brain break that we do three times a day in the classroom allows them to have a correlation and a cognition to what's going on in their brain and how they can regulate their emotions and open up the prefrontal cortex to think, analyze, figure out, experience happiness, have the questions, and memory better. I cannot tell you that we, they, this is, I didn't do this. This was University of British Columbia. They researched it. And the research was so extraordinary with these children, even to a point where they

said they could make themselves happier, 83%, which is that I just lost it when I saw that. Because we need to make ourselves happier. We need to find the way to do that. And the children, you know, basically that was part of the research. They said now they could make themselves happier. We need to find the way to do that. And the children, you know, basically that was part of the research. They said now they could make themselves happier. It was so great that we had to do another research because we can't believe this, what these children are experiencing and what the educators. So now we do another research in another town in Vancouver. Same thing. Wow.

Okay. And that's when I said, all right, I know I'm Goldie Hawn. I know people think I'm funny. I know I'm not a scientist. But I had a dream for children and it worked. Wow. And so that's when I said, now I can own it because the research speaks for itself. So this is what I've been doing for 21 years.

That's amazing. We have 150, I mean, millions of children have gone through this program because it was published by Scholastic. And it went all over the world. So we have kids in China. We've got kids in Shanghai. I mean, Shanghai, Hong Kong. I mean, they're all over, just Portugal, Spain, Italy, basically the UK was a big one. Well over 150,000 children. And these schools are following these programs then?

Yes. And it's right in New York City, we have 150 schools so far. And so they take these little brain breaks throughout the day? Is that what these schools then? Yes. And it's right in New York City. We have 150 schools so far. And so they take these little brain breaks throughout the day? Is that what these schools do? Yes, so the brain break, which basically takes three minutes, we ring a chime.

And the reason we ring the chime, this is not spiritual stuff. We're doing it so the brain attaches to that sound. And it immediately will be like Pavlov's dog. It's relaxed. They relax. their brain starts to calm down. All the things with the amygdala is like a barking dog. So when it gets excited, when it's got uncertainty and fear and anger and all this stuff, that's the area where we have to calm that down. Once they know, they breathe and they hear the chime and they sit for, you know, it all takes three minutes, they know now their amygdala is not barking anymore and they actually feel better.

They're calmer. They know how to manage their emotions. That's how they do it. It's fascinating because I had the brain surgeon on the show a couple of times. Yeah. Who's also a PhD in neuroscience. on the show a couple of times. Yeah.

He was also a PhD in neuroscience. He's done over a thousand brain surgeries, but also studied the mind with neuroscience. I love that guy. And I asked him, his name's Rahul, Dr. Rahul Jandial. And I asked him, what's the number one skill you wish all human beings could learn to master? And he said, emotional regulation. And this is a brain surgeon, neuroscientist

talking about this. Can we realize that if we had that, where we'd be today? We'd be a lot happier. We would be and we'd not be in strife the way we are in America right now. We'd have to be able to look really critically at where this is getting us.

Yes. And that's a big, big part of regulating your temper. Same thing with relationships. Come know, and that's a big, big part of regulating your temper. Same thing with relationships. Come on, guys. I mean, we've got to know how to self-regulate this because why say things that are terrible that nobody forgets? Words are like daggers. So it really gives you the opportunity to stop, hold on, and then decide to say, maybe

in a more skillful way. But man, you know, so that reactivity is dangerous. And we've seen a lot of people have that and mentioning no names. So that's very damaging. Wow. So he was right. And we agree. Yay.

And I'm not a neuroscientist. How can we support this? It's mindup.org, but what can people do to be of support to this mission you're on? Well, thank you, sweetie. It's money, really. I mean, anytime you've got a foundation. I mean, no money, no mission. And we've been doing this for a long time, and I don't like to ask for money.

It's not my thing to do. But you realize that when you see these children, of course, I mean, it's just, I have to tell you one story though. I love these kids so much. So this little boy was basically nonverbal autistic. And he came into the school in New York City when he was kindergarten. So now he's in fourth grade and he's doing much better. And I heard about him before I met him because I went to this school just recently, about three weeks ago. He is more verbal. He's sweetest thing on God's earth. And so the principal asked him if he would like to come into her office over the PA system and ring the chime. And he said yes. So he went upstairs. He went to the office.

He rang the chime. And then he shared and guided the entire brain break. Wow. Said quietly, put your hands there. He remembered all of it. Wow. Said, quietly put your hands in. He remembered all of it. Wow. She called our office in New York and said, I have to tell you this because this is an autistic child. He couldn't speak when he came in. The fact that he understood the brain break. So that's what I'm saying. You know, he's learning how to self-regulate himself wow and you know there's there's a when

you when you when you feel like that you've done something that's you that did it yeah and so ah i love it so much how about i'm still passionate after 21 years that's amazing it's like making a movie for 21 years one movie it's like producing one movie it's like i don't know i just got what is it tenacity and love in my heart i can only that's beautiful so money it's really about you know it doesn't matter how much but if you could give a bit to you know mindup.org it has a pain donate now um but but it would be awesome that's beautiful well i'm going to go to mindup.org and make a donation today for you so i appreciate the mission're on, the cause you're on to help kids. Thank you, sweetheart.

This has been beautiful, Goldie. I appreciate you. I want to ask you a couple final questions if that's okay. Yeah, that's fine. But I want people to go to mindup.org. Check it out. Even if you don't donate, just go check it out and see how you can be a part of it in some way. But if you can give some money, give some money as well.

Of course. Mindup.org. You're on social media, Goldie Hawn as well, everywhere. But mindup.org is the main place for people to go. A couple of final questions for you, Goldie.

Before I ask them, I just wanted to acknowledge you for the realness that you have. Your parents said like the real, be real. Yeah. It's a great lesson. And this is, since the moment you walked in to this moment, you've been real this whole time.

And I appreciate that East Coast vibe that you bring, that East Coast energy, you know? So I want to acknowledge you for, one, living a life authentic and true to you and pursuing your dreams, but also being a great mother, being a great partner in relationship, and also using your talent, your time, and your money to invest in a cause that you care about with this foundation with kids. So I really acknowledge you

for just an incredible journey that you've been building and creating for yourself. And also, like I said before, that your kid, your adult children want to spend a lot of time with you. For me, that's a big measure of success in my mind when adult kids want to hang out with their parents still. Yeah. So you've been doing something right. So I acknowledge you for all these things. Anchor, yes, exactly. But I acknowledge you for all of that. And I can't wait to see what else you continue to create on this beautiful journey. Thank you.

This question I ask everyone towards the end of my interview is called the three truths. So it's a hypothetical scenario. Imagine you get to live as long as you want, but it's the last day. You get to continue to create everything. Your mission continues to build in bigger ways you do more movies or whatever you want to do you continue to do it but for whatever reason on the last day you have to take all of your art and work and content with you to another place so no one has access to your movies this conversation is gone your two books that you've written,

you know, all these things, for some reason, it's all gone. Hypothetical scenario. And on the last day, you get to leave behind only three things, three lessons you would share with the world. I call it the three truths. So we wouldn't have access to any other content of yours except for these three things. What would those three lessons or three truths be for you? Well, obviously the first truth would be happiness is one of the more important emotions to nurture throughout your lifetime. Don't believe everything you read. Don't concretize your thoughts and your opinions. Allow them to change if they will. So there. I love it. I love it. That's a great question though.

Yeah, I appreciate it. Those are good answers. Final question, Goldie, what is your personal definition of greatness? Well, my father said, don't ever stop appreciating a good glass of water. And that's pretty great. I hope today's episode inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a rundown of today's show with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me, as well as ad-free listening experience, make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel on Apple Podcast. If you enjoyed this, please share it with a friend over on social media or text a friend. If you enjoyed this, please share it with a friend over on social media or text a friend. Leave us a review over on Apple Podcasts and let me know what you learned over on our social media channels at Lewis Howes.

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