The School of Greatness - How to Age in Reverse, The Future of Space Travel & Mankind's Next Great Innovations w/ Peter Diamandis EP 1264

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

Today I'm joined by Peter H. Diamandis. Recently named by Fortune as one of the “World’s 50 Greatest Leaders,” Peter is the founder and executive chairman of the XPRIZE Foundation, which leads the world in designing and operating large-scale incentive competitions. He is also the executive founder of Singularity University, a graduate-level Silicon Valley institution that counsels the world's leaders on exponentially growing technologies. He's also the co-author of Life Force: How New Breakthroughs in Precision Medicine Can Transform the Quality of Your Life & Those You Love  In this episode, you will learn:The most exciting innovations in our current and future worldHow we can slow down and possible reverse agingWhat Preventative Health Care could look likeThe importance of enrolling people in your dreamHow to take on a Moonshot Mindset  For more, go to: lewishowes.com/1264Get Peter's new book, Life Force: How New Breakthroughs in Precision Medicine Can Transform the Quality of Your Life & Those You LoveFor Peter's 30-day Mindset Challenge: Diamandis.com/mindsetFor Future News & innovations: FutureLoop.comFor Health Innovations: LongevityInsider.org The Surprising Secrets to Aging w/ David Sinclair: EP 1232Embrace the Future w/ Peter: EP 881 

All of us are going to develop a disease at some point. Aging is a disease, right? Aging is a disease. Our body is a machine, and we are beginning to discover why we age. How do you slow it down? How do you stop it? Maybe how do you reverse it?

Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur, and each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness thanks for spending some time with me today now let the class begin welcome back everyone in the school of greatness very excited about our guest Peter Diamandis in the house my man good to see you sir great to see you once again very excited about our guest, Peter Diamandis in the house. My man. Good to see you, sir. Great to see you once again. Very excited about this. You're a type of individual that has this moonshot mindset,

really. You think so big. It's almost unrealistic how big you think. And you get other people who have an unrealistic mindset based on what a lot of people think is possible. And you enroll them in a vision, a vision of what you can see is possible in the future, but may seem impossible right now. Yeah, I like to say that the day before something is really a breakthrough, it's a crazy idea, right? So where are we trying crazy ideas in the world? Yes. And I think we're living in a time

where there's more capital than ever before. There's more capability, more data, more knowledge, more compute, more everything. And so honestly, there's very few things that are not possible. It's a matter of getting the passionate, purposeful mind focused on making it happen. It's funny because I was flying a couple of weeks ago

and I was thinking, you know, a hundred- In an airplane, right? Yeah, in an airplane. Not like personally, but I was like thinking, you know, a couple hundred years ago, people would have like thought this was the craziest thing in the world. If you said,

I'm going to be in a tin thing, an aluminum thing or whatever, flying in the sky, going across the world, people thought you're nuts. I have two 10, soon to be 11 year old boys. And when they're on their tablet

in an airplane, it's like, like, look out the window. It's a miracle. It's incredible. Flying in the air. It's incredible, right? I know. And then the other thing is, I remember, I out the window, it's a miracle. It's incredible. It's incredible, right? I know, and then the other thing is I remember,

I don't know, it was a year ago or so, I made this trip, like LA, New York, New York, Miami, Miami, LA, in like 48 hours. And I was thinking to myself, that trip 100 years ago or 200 years ago would have been like years. Your life. Your lifetime. And it's like, I'm thinking about it anyway it's crazy even just you know i was talking to my girlfriend the other day and we were facetiming i go 15 years ago we could not

like imagine a video looking at you live from across the world like this would have been sorcery for free for free right yeah it's like how can you even create a video in front of you and see someone else across the world? It is mind-blowing if you really think about what we've been able to create. Yeah. And by the way, what we're going to create in the decade ahead, in the next two decades, is going to make us look like what we have today is standing still. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Every year I run this program called Abundance 360 for 360 entrepreneurs, CEOs. And I do two things. One is I look back a hundred years ago at what was the innovation a hundred years ago, right? And you can actually like search patents, headlines, all of that. And then I look at what's occurred in just the last 12 months. And the last 12 months

is stunning in compute, sensors, networks, AI, robotics, 3D printing. A hundred years ago, in 1922, there were six innovations. I don't know if I remember them. The water ski was invented. It was two boards and some wash line rope, right? Vitamin E was discovered. A manually retractable roof for a car. Oh, and the blender. The blender was made for making malt shakes. And there was one more that I'm forgetting.

But, I mean, that was like in the course of the entire year of 1922 globally. That, oh, Vegemite. Vegemite. These were like massive innovations. This was like the innovations of 1922. And it's like you, I mean, honestly, compared to what we have per microsecond today, it's insane. And we forget how incredible the world we're living in is today. And the tools that we have, more access to capital, compute, manufacturing, you know, connections to people globally around the world, it's like there is nothing that is not possible with the committed, passionate human mind.

In 10 to 20 years, what do you think is going to, if you said right now, this is going to happen, people would say there's no way. That's just not. And we'll talk about, I mean, I think we is going to happen, people would say there's no way. It's just not. And we'll talk about it. I mean, I think we're going to significantly extend the healthy human lifespan, learn how to reverse aging, which is an area of focus for me. You know, we are seeing right now autonomous cars and flying cars. You know, the proper name is electric vertical takeoff or landing eVTOLs. And they'll be here and they'll become part of the fabric, right? We'll all have an AI software shell, an AI that is monitoring everything for you,

your biology. It knows your schedule. It just heard me say, okay, we're going to be done in a couple hours. And it's got an autonomous car waiting for me without me asking because it knows where I need to get to next. Right. And so the world's going to become very what I call auto-magical, automatic and magical in our world. Things just materialize. Your desires become reality. It's like Amazon Prime, but now. Everything now, right? It's like ahead of time. As I'm thinking about it, it comes to me. I mean, brain-computer interface is coming fast and furious, right? Connecting, you know, you have 100 billion neurons, 100 trillion synaptic connections

in your brain. Connecting that to the cloud, you know, to increase our intelligence, our conversations. Fascinating stuff. What are you most excited about in a decade in a decade's time? I'm interested Oh, I'm focused a lot on the biotech breakthroughs that are coming our way The ability using CRISPR and gene therapy to cure almost every disease Is coming fast the idea. I'm You know I have a half a billion dollar venture fund that two-thirds of it right

now is being invested into biotech and health tech so that's super cool for me it's like listen I'm 60 and I'm shooting for you know many hundred years so it's like many hundred yeah I mean why not listen here in this body in this, upgraded, whatever the case might be. I think, honestly, there is people say, oh, well, listen, aren't you going to be happy with 10 or 20 or 30 years? And yeah, that's fantastic. Add another 20, 30, make 100 years old and you're 60. But one thing to realize is that if we add 30 healthy years, so you've got the cognition, you're thinking clearly, the aesthetics, you look good, the mobility, you're

moving well. If you add 30 healthy years, science is not standing still during those 30 years, right? It's moving and the speed is accelerating. So, you know, a lot of the work right now is around the idea of slowing stopping and reversing aging you know there are species on this planet from the bowhead whale to the greenland shark to sea turtles that live two three four five hundred years if they can why can't we interesting 500. Yeah, Greenland shark at a minimum does 400 to 500 years. Come on, really? That's incredible.

It is incredible. So with CRISPR, and I've just started learning about CRISPR in the last few months. For those that have never heard about it, can you explain what it is, and how can you use something like CRISPR to, I guess, take genes from the shark that lives 400 years or whatever and help

it help us humans use it in a way to help us live longer. CRISPR is an editing technology that's been discovered out of bacteria. And it's a means it's evolved over billions of years as a means by which bacteria prevent themselves from being infected by viruses. There are things called bacteriophage that infect bacteria. And anyway, Jennifer Doudna and her partner, who won the Nobel Prize in 2020 in chemistry for discovering CRISPR, learned how to manipulate it and utilize it. And some folks at Harvard, like George Church and others, turning it into a tool that allows you to go into your genome and accurately change letters. So each of us, you and I have 3.2 billion letters in our genome, 3.2 from our mother and 3.2 from our father. And those genes basically

are your software, right? And sometimes you might be born with a genetic disease, a mutation like sickle cell anemia, thalassemia. There's thousands of them and you're stuck with it. And it could be fatal or it could be inconvenient and we have medicine has over the years tried to just you know how do we treat it how do we remove the symptomology but you still have it you still have it and CRISPR is an opportunity to go into your genome and make the edit and cure you right you know c-u C-U-R-E, cure. And for example, there's CRISPR trials going on right now to cure people with AIDS, where you go in, right, the HIV virus has been integrated into your genome,

can use CRISPR to go in there and cut it out. And delete it. And delete it, right? This is like word processing for the letters of your body so that's probably not we're not going to probably use crisper for uh for longevity but it's going to help us live our longest healthiest life and then we're going to learn how to make changes that will extend it one of the big areas and you know we're also beginning to learn how to grow extra organs like a backup set of you know kidney lung you know heart thymus pancreas and that's pretty cool to have a backup

set of organs for yourself right so you can do the surgery if you need to what would you do print it well there's a few different approaches one mart, Martine Rothblatt, who's an incredible entrepreneur. What Martine has done is gone after pigs, and it turns out pigs have the same size heart, liver, lung, kidney as humans do, and modified the surface antigens and removed the viruses and making them compatible for transplant so you can make an infinite supply of humanized pigs that are then available instead of because right now what do we wait for someone to die in an automobile

accident and then we use that organ yeah yeah well I think the first transplant happened with a pig heart within the last six months so it was a liver transplant that was done into someone who was brain dead, but the family allowed the transplant to take place as a first step. And then there was a heart transplant that was done about three or four months ago.

Now the patient only survived for a little over a month, but it's the first step. Interesting. Yeah. But maybe if there's a way that CRISPR could change the DNA of the heart first and then transplant. Exactly, so that is, you know, it's the early days, but I think it begins to change the way we think

about what's possible in our lives. Like, what would you do if you had an extra 50 years? If like, you know, if you knew you were going to make it to 150, would it change when you have kids, whether you get married, how many careers you have, how long you work, your desire to go and see another star system? You know, I mean, how does it change? Because life is precious. There's no question about it. But this idea that you are going to retire and then go out to pasture and, you know, give up on life, I think is bullshit. I think if you feel good, if you've got the energy, if you're thinking clearly, the only time more exciting than today is tomorrow.

Right. What would you do if you had an extra 50 years? If you knew, okay, if I stay healthy and there's no accidents in my life and I know I could, my body could take it to 150. I mean, listen, I love starting companies. I'm on my 25th or 26th company right now. There's a few adventures on the planet, a few parts of the planet I haven't seen yet that I'd love to go to. I definitely want to go and walk on the moon and walk on mars and go start a uh a colony in in probably in in the asteroid belt you know it's like it's like open up the space frontier and just see the future i mean my kids are 11 so i had kids when uh you know 49 yeah 49 50 and they've got incredible life ahead of them, right? So kids

born today could have an indefinite lifespan. Really? I mean, we'll see. It's like we're beginning to understand why we age and why we may not need to. And it changes a lot of things, right? Including social security and government operations and institutions of marriage and all kinds of things. Would you go and have a third, fourth, fifth family? Who knows? Interesting. What are the main causes of why we age?

Your genome at birth, 3.2 billion letters that your software code you're running, and at age 20 and 40 and 60 and 80 and 100 is the same. Small mutations, but roughly is the same. And so the question is, why don't you look the same? Right. Why is that? Why is it? Well, it's not the genes you have. It's what's called your epigenome. It is epi from the Greek word above, which means what genes are turned on and what genes are turned off. And so as we get older, the body goes into dysregulation. It was never designed to live past age 30. Really? Yeah, because 100,000 years ago, think about this. You'd go into puberty at

age 13, no birth control, You'd be pregnant by 14. And then by the time you were 28, your kids were having kids. That's crazy. Right. And back then, before we had abundant food, before Whole Foods and McDonald's was around, the last thing you wanted to do to perpetuate the species was steal food from your grandchildren's mouths. you wanted to do to perpetuate the species was steal food from your grandchildren's mouths. And so there was never benefit, right, for being the old member of the tribe who's strong-arming for food or holding the tribe back. And so there was no selective pressures against a person living longer or promoting a person living longer. So we never did.

And so the body goes into a rapid dysregulation. For example, when we're born, we have this large supply of stem cells in our body. As we age from like birth to into your 40s and 50s, the stem cells in your body can fall a thousand fold. So there's something called stem cell exhaustion. That's one of multiple causes, your mitochondria, your power sources for your, for your, for yourselves.

So recently Tony Robbins and I wrote a book called Life Force and it hit number one in the New York times for like the first three weeks was out. Super proud. It's an amazing book. Yeah. for like the first three weeks was out. Super proud. It's an amazing book, yeah. And the book looks at all of the breakthroughs today that have just come out, have been out for a bit, and then the ones that are coming out. And for treating cardiovascular disease, cancer,

neurodegenerative disease, Alzheimer's, for increasing your vitality and your strength. And what I can tell you is that the speed of innovation is breathtaking. Wow. Right, is breathtaking. And part of that is understanding why we age. There's a great, another book called Lifespan.

So Tony and I wrote Life Force, a guy named David Sinclair wrote Lifespan. Are you familiar? Yeah, I've had David on a few times. Fantastic. So David's brilliant and does an incredible job of explaining why we age and his work in the sirtuin systems.

These are the seven genes and factors that control your epigenome and also control repairing mutations in the genome. So the good news is what was used to be a crazy idea, I mean, people would laugh at you and you wouldn't get funding if you were talking about the idea of longevity research or age reversal, is now become mainstream. It's the hottest subject.

Arguably tens of billions of dollars are flowing in per year into research. I just turned 39, so I'm going to be 40 next year. If you're me, what were the things you say you need to start thinking about doing or applying ASAP that are free or pretty inexpensive right now? And then what are the things that if you're like, if you've got the funds, like these three things, you've got to invest in now, like yesterday. Yeah, great question. So number one, it's still the basics, right? Eat well, sleep well.

Yeah, it's eight hours of sleep and I've got my aura ring. And I actually, when I was in medical school, I used to pride myself on getting by with five or five and a half hours of sleep. It was like the manly thing to do. I think Tony was like that for a long time too, right? He has been. And I think he's finally got religion as we wrote this book. But I pride myself on eight hours of sleep now. I really am shooting for that. I'm getting in bed by 9.30 because my eyes pop open at 5.30. So if I want to get those asleep, that's what I got to do. It's like bringing the temperature down,

wearing an eye mask, you know, a cooling blanket, all those things. And there are tricks and trades. There's a great book by Matt Walker called Why We Sleep. Yeah, he's great.

Which is brilliant. Yeah, we've had him on too. So sleep is critical. Minimizing sugar. I mean, sugar is in moderation is fine, but sugar is an inflammatory molecule.

It causes neuroinflammation, cardiovascular disease. It's not a good thing. You know, I tend towards a plant-based diet. I tend towards minimizing any kind of red meat. I'm mostly fish and Mediterranean diet. And then exercise is key, right? So as much exercise as I can get, I'll squeeze in there. So those are the basics. And there's a whole slew of supplements. If you have the money,

and it's not too early for you to do this, I started a company called Fountain Life. And Fountain Life is in the book in detail. We have facilities in New York, in Pittsburgh, in Florida. We're opening soon in Dallas, in Santa Monica here. And it's an annual membership. And you go and we do a digital upload of you, as best I can describe it. We do a digital upload of you. It's the best I can describe it. We do a full body MRI, brain MRI, brain vasculature.

And those, what we're looking for there is finding cancer at the very beginning, at stage zero, right? And also finding any kind of aneurysms. And so 2% of people who come through have a cancer they don't know about. Come on. That's crazy, right? Two and a half percent have an aneurysm they don't know about. An aneurysm is a opening in the arterial vessel. If you've had someone die in their sleep, a lot of times it's from an aneurysm that bursts. And then we do a coronary, an AI-enabled, what's called a clearly CT. And so historically, you'd go and you'd get your calcium score. And if you had a lot of calcium, that was considered bad.

But calcified plaque in your coronary arteries is stable. It's the soft plaque you need to be worried about that can rupture and then block one of the coronary arteries. And we use an AI-enabled CT called clearly CLEERLY to find soft plaque. And then we monitor that for you. And then we do a Grail test, which is a blood test that can find 50 different cancers. We do all of your omics, your gut, your genomics, everything. How long does it take to do all these tests?

It's five hours. Total. Is it painful? No, not at all. You just have to be patient and sit there. And then we do a quarterly follow-up and you get a concierge doc with you. Interesting. But the idea is, listen, all of us are going to develop a disease at some point, right?

Well, they're saying death is a disease, right? I mean, I mean, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And so aging is a disease. Aging is a disease. But you're going to, you know, God willing, you don't. But a cancer, a neurodegenerative, you want to find something at the very beginning when you can zap it Uh-huh, and so you find it at the beginning. There's ways to reverse them

Yes There are listen your chance if you discover any of these things early enough on There are from cardiovascular and cancer and neurodegenerative and all of these things Yes, you want to find it in the beginning and people go? I don't want to know both you want to know as early as you can so you can take action. Was there anything that you found that was, you know, nervous about? I found, so my biggest risk is cardiovascular heart disease. My father, I think, you know, pretty much passed from implications of cardiovascular disease.

pretty much passed from implications of cardiovascular disease. And I have reversed the cardiovascular disease that I've had with a series of medical protocols. And that makes me feel much more empowered, right? And so monitoring then my muscle and my bone density and everything else. But knowledge is power. And if you want to live a long and healthy life, you want to know as much as you can going into this. Is this something you do every year then? I do every year, yes. I've done it. We have a sister company called Human Longevity, HLI, in San Diego.

company called Human Longevity, HLI, in San Diego. And so I had been going to the one in San Diego for the first five, six years. And then last two years, I've been going to this new company that- In Santa Monica? Well, it's nationwide, but called Fountain Life. You can go to fountainlife.com. Santa Monica will open by the end of this year. I'm going to have to check that out. You should. And I think if you can afford it, and it's not cheap, it's $19,500 for the first year and then $14,500 for every year thereafter, but it includes a concierge doc and includes all the workup and it's a fiduciary for your health.

Now the cool thing we're doing on top of that, which I love, is we're reinventing health insurance. So I think, and we have something called Fountain Health, which is our insurance program for, it's for self-insured companies right now, but we'll go beyond that. So, you know, think about this. Life insurance pays you after you're dead, right? Health insurance pays you after you've been sick. Fire insurance pays you after you're dead, right? Health insurance pays you after you've been sick. Fire insurance pays you after your house burns down. And that's just like pathetic. And so what we're doing with Fountain Health is when you get this health insurance,

all of the testing I mentioned before is free. And so our job is to test you annually and catch the disease at the beginning and prevent it from happening. So I pay for the health insurance, I get the testing from Fountain Life for free. Yeah. Interesting.

So it helps you prevent and not have to spend. It's all about preventative. It's personalized, preventative, predictive healthcare. You mentioned, you know, you lose stem cells. I think you said you lose after a period of time. So the other side of fountain life is we have therapeutics. Okay. And there are a whole slew.

In fact, my meeting right after our conversation is going to meet with one of my physicians. I've got an army of them to look at what therapeutics i want to do this year okay and so there's things called synolytic medicines so it turns out your cells in your body are replicate on the order of 50 times and at the end of 50 replications, they should die, make room for new cells. Unfortunately, sometimes they don't die and they become cancers. Or they can stick around in what they're called a zombie cell or a senile cell. And these cells are sitting there just pumping out inflammatory. About 2% of the cells in your body are these zombie senile cells. And so there are medicines you can take that can target those

and kill them. And those are called senolytic medicines. And so there's things like dastanib, quercetin, and rapamycin. And then there are exosomes and stem cell treatments. Now, what we're working on, because today you can get your own stem cells, you can go to your bone marrow or your blood and separate out stem cells, concentrate them, give them back, but you can bank them or give them back to yourself.

Or you can go and get stem cells from the placenta of a newborn. And we are working to get approvals in the U.S. from the FDA under what's called an investigational new drug application to do that. Because right now, we at Fountain Life will make recommendations for facilities in the Caribbean or in Costa Rica or Panama or other places where you can go, but you can't get newborn stem cells legally in the United States because they have not been FDA approved. Our goal is do the science, demonstrate what's possible and get the FDA approval so that we can rejuvenate ourselves.

Have you done stem cell work? I've done some stem cell work. I'm looking at it for sort of the decade ahead. I've done exosomes, which are legal. So when a stem cell, a newborn stem cell is sitting there and it's producing growth factors. Those growth factors are not just pumped in out, they are put into these small vacuoles, like a piece of cellular membrane from the stem cell that has the growth factors in them and then they're released.

And so they have no DNA, they have no organelles, they're basically the messaging factors. And you can separate those out from the placenta, I think you were on placenta, and provide those as, so you're getting the therapeutic output of the stem cell without getting the cells themselves. Right.

Is there anything other advanced things that you've done for yourself already? Like with injections or pulling out blood or anything like that? Right. Is there any other advanced things that you've done for yourself already? Like with injections or pulling out blood or anything like that? Yeah. So I'm on testosterone optimization right now. Is that the pellets or is that like an injection? No, it's an injection twice a week that I do. You're looking pretty jacked.

I feel, yeah. You're looking jacked, man. Struggling like ox. Smell like ox too. But I've not done growth hormone yet. I'm looking at that. I'm looking at something called total plasma exchange. So this is like changing your oil where you'll pull out a few liters of blood.

You'll separate out the red cells and the white cells, and then the rest of the plasma is typically some saline and albumin, which is the major protein, and you can replace those, and you are sort of refreshing your blood supply. You probably remember this whole bunch of conversation around the idea of young blood. Remember that? There were these parabiosis experiments that one of my business partners, Bob Hurrey, Dr. Hurrey, who's the CEO of Cellularity, did years ago, in which you took an old mouse

and a young mouse, and you connected the circulatory systems. And the old mouse got young and the young mouse got old and i was like what's going on this is interesting and so there are a few different things uh there's a company that has identified one factor called gdf 11 growth factor 11 and is manufacturing that right now it's just fund's an investor in that. And it falls off as we age. And so the question is, is giving it as we age going to be part of that young blood experiment? But what they also did was they took the old mouse

and they took out the blood and replaced it with this total plasma exchange. And the mouse got younger too. Interesting. So there's a lot of different factors. I mean, we're in the early part of this adventure, right? There's this concept called longevity escape velocity. And that Aubrey de Grey and Ray Kurzweil talk about, which is today for every year you're alive, science is extending your life for about a quarter of a year.

Yeah, wow. But there's going to be a point at which for every year you're alive, science extends your life for greater than a year, right, from all the breakthroughs that are occurring. So what is that? When is that going to happen? Ray's prediction, Ray Kurzweil's prediction was a dozen years from now. And then I asked another friend, George Church, he's one of the most brilliant scientists on the planet,

a genomicist at Harvard. And his answer shocked me. He said, 15 years from now. So our mission is not to die from something stupid in the interim. Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. And so we talk about a lot of this in Life Force.

And it's really about how do you maintain vitality, the energy, the desire, right? Because people retire when they're not feeling well, when they don't have the energy anymore. They're not excited about life. And then there's a whole bunch of supplements I take. It's like a laundry list of supplements. Resveratrol and NMN resveratrol and NMN. Everything from Sinclair, yeah. Yeah, and there's a bunch of others.

And at the end of the day, our body is a machine. And we are beginning to discover why we age. How do you slow it down? How do you stop it? Maybe how do you slow it down how do you stop it maybe how do you reverse it mmm how important is love purpose and inner peace yeah and extending our lifespan yeah I think they're extraordinary I think mindset I talk about food exercise sleep and then mindset is fundamental.

I think love and companionship and purpose, you've all heard the stories of the couple that is deeply in love and one dies and then one dies shortly thereafter, right? I mean, I think you can will yourself to death. And of course, our founding fathers, this country, I forget which two of them, like, you know, died within hours of the 50th anniversary

of the founding of the country. Wow. Right, they were like, I'm gonna make it to that point. I'm gonna, damn it, I'm gonna make it there, right? And so having a purpose, and this is something that is really deeply meaningful for me right now. And I'm spending a lot of time on this. I had an experience.

So I co-founded something called Singularity University with Ray Kurzweil. And I did that now almost 15 years ago. almost 15 years ago. And we have executive programs and graduate programs and Abundance 360, my program, is the year-round highest level version of Singularity University. And the graduate programs, we'd get 100 graduate students from around the world, top of their class, the best in AI and robotics and medicine, whatever it might be. top of their class, the best in AI and robotics and medicine, whatever it might be. And I remember every year I would ask a question, how many of you are clear about your purpose in life? And shockingly- Not many would respond. Less than half the class. And I expected 90% there, right?

These are the brightest of the bright. Yeah. And they're just from the top universities and entrepreneurs. And so it would be like 40% would raise their hand. And I'm like, holy shit. Listen, everybody who doesn't know, your mission in this program is to find your passion and purpose. That's all. I don't care what you build as a company. Find your passion and purpose because it drives everything. There's a great Mark Twain quote.

He says, there are two important days in your life, the day you were born and the day you found out why. And so I'm on a mission right now to help people find their passion and purpose. And so I just launched, it's a free 30-day program called Mindset Bootcamp. And if you go to diamandis.com slash mindset, it's a 30-day sequence of emails that will hopefully change the way you see your life and your world and help you find your passion, find your purpose, but then give you insights into the mindsets that will enable you to fulfill your passion and your purpose. What happens if we don't find our passion or our purpose? I think you're on a meandering walk and you can still enjoy yourself, but I think it's really at the end of your life looking back.

And by the way, your passion, your purpose can be your family. And that can be just 100% and it can be fulfilling in that. It can be to go and open the space frontier. It can be to go right a wrong. It's like a lot of this, and I talk about this in the Mindset Bootcamp, a lot of this comes from emotional energy. We're emotional beings, right? We need that emotional energy to do anything big and bold in the world.

And that emotional energy can come from on excitement. So for me, I was born in the 60s and it was the Apollo program and Star Trek, right? Apollo showed me, you know, what we could do. And Star Trek was that visionary documentary that showed us where we were going. And that lit me on fire and everything I've ever done is a result of that passion, that purpose. And that's a positive passion and purpose. You can, people who've been wronged in their life Whatever it might been it's like I refuse to let that happen again. I will not let that happen to another person and

That can fuel your passion and purpose, right? And I think it just makes every day more more meaningful. It says waking up in the morning and and moving the needle making waking up in the morning and moving the needle, making a dent in the universe. And here's the important thing for folks who have not found their passion and purpose. It's easier than ever before. The tools you have to do something big and bold in the world are greater than any time ever in human history. Access to more capital, more knowledge, more compute, more connected people on the planet. And so I don't care if you're 80 years old beginning your journey or if you're eight, it's like finding a purpose-driven life, I think is a really important element. So, you know, my bootcamp is part of that equation. And then for me, it's really helping people find the mindset.

So I deal a lot with entrepreneurs. Yes. And one of my favorite questions for them is, okay, give me your favorite entrepreneurs, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, you know, whatever your list is, or your favorite leaders on the planet, Martin Luther King, you know, Mahatma Gandhi, whatever it is. And I said to you, what made them succeed? Was it the cash they had in the bank? Was it the technology they had access to? Or was it their mindset? And I think, I know you'd agree. Yeah, mindset's everything, right? And so, where's the greatness mindset, gratitude mindset, abundance, exponential, longevity, moonshot mindset.

Because if you took away their money and you took away their relationships and you took away their technology, if they maintain their mindset, they get back a lot of what they lost. Maybe they'd go even further. And so if that's true, what mindset do you have? I ask them, what mindset do you have? I ask them, what mindset do you have? And where did you get it from? Did you just like happen to inherit it? Did you get it from your mom, your dad, your school, your brother, your sister?

Where was it? And I think that we should be more actively choosing the mindset we desire mm-hmm and then shaping the mindset so I mean we both are Knowledgeable about you know AI and machine learning that it's really Incredibly, it's rising monumentally and when you think about machine learning what machine learning is as a form, as one of the areas of AI, is you're showing a computer neural net image after image after image, data point after data point after data point. And you're training that neural net to recognize cats or dogs or the English language, whatever the case might be. Our brains are neural nets.

And what we see, what we listen to, who we we hang out with all of that is training on neural net So I'd like to say if you're watching CNN for two or three hours a day and I call CNN the crisis news network or the constantly negative news network you're gonna feel like you're under attack, like the world is ending, and your mindset is going to be a very negative mindset. And so ultimately, it's like, don't do that. Just don't. I mean, and so I'm on, you know, I haven't watched any network news. I will get up in the morning, I will do two things. I will spend about 10 minutes on on Google News Right and just look at what's going on lines. Yeah to make sure there's nothing in the world

I need to know about also my mom will call me and tell me this thing. Yeah, and the other is I built an engine called Futurescope and you might actually like this so future scope as an engine allows you to build actually like this. So Future Scope as an engine allows you to build customized news feeds for yourself. Oh, that's cool. And so I built two. One's called Future Loop. And so what I did was I gave Future Scope the AI engine there, all of my blogs, my books, my Twitter stream, and it modeled the way I think. And then it searches the world's news every day and brings the news to me that has positive semantic about converging exponentials impacting the industries I'm interested in. So if you go to futureloop.com, you'll get 15 articles every day selected by Virtual Peter on longevity, on space, on reinventing transportation, reinventing health, reinventing retail.

And I use GPT-3, which is one of the AI engines out of OpenAI. And it's like, this is the news I care about. This is the stuff in the world that I want shaping my neural net. And then I created another one called longevityinsider.org. And I love it. Longevityinsider.org, it scrapes everything on Twitter, all the science journals, Twitter, all the science journals, all the news journals. And I get 15 updates every day on breakthroughs in longevity and vitality and health. And the engine picks the photo, the AI engine picks a photo and it writes a very understandable summary of the article. So you don't need to have any medical background. It's like, oh, that's fascinating. And for me, that's part of our longevity mindset. If you believe that you have the potential to add 30 healthy years on your life, you're going to treat your life much differently than if you don't. If you think you're going to be dead at 70, 75, you're going to be dead at 70, 75, you know, you're going to give up on life. If you think

you've got an extra, you know, you're doing 120 in a healthy way, then you're going to be, you know, looking at starting your next company, getting your next boyfriend or girlfriend, whatever the case might be. If someone is stuck in a negative mindset, but they want to lean more into a purpose-driven mindset, what are some of the steps they can take? Because this is a conditioning that some people have for decades. It is. And you can, the beautiful thing about the human brain

is it's plastic. In the term of plasticity, it's changeable. And you just need to do that rewiring. And there are a number of different things you can do. It's what are you reading? What are you watching? Who are you hanging out with? Right. I mean, just think about it for yourself. Would you rather hang out with someone who is like a positive mindset? You know, there's no problem I can't fix, you know, or someone who's

reading the obituaries and just like, you know, it's not to say that there are times in our life when there's something going on in the world that we need to pay attention to because we have the ability to make a difference. But I don't need to be bombarded by it every day. Right. Because it doesn't make me a happier person or a more active person. I think it's, again, what are you letting in? What posters are on your wall? I'll never forget when I was in medical school, I was starting my first university called

the International Space University. My co-founder, Todd Hawley, I think as a joke and really just to goad me, put on his wall, Murphy's law, which is if anything can go wrong, it will. Things start going wrong. It was like, it's like just really offensive and so i went i had a whiteboard behind me i went to my whiteboard and i wrote if anything can go wrong fix it to hell with murphy and i wrote peter's law over it and then i have like uh google peter's laws are like 32 of them now you know when given a choice take both start at the top and work your way up do it by the book but be the author that cool. Best way to predict the future is create it yourself.

And it's the truisms that I live my life by. So what's on your walls, right? Who are your most positive-minded, optimistic friends? Spend more time with them. If you want to get thin or in good shape, hang out with people who are thin and in good shape. I mean, these are just fundamentals. And then that's a lot of part of the element that I talk about in my mindset boot camp.

The other part is giving people the data. So a few of the mindsets that I focus on, an abundance mindset. Let's talk about that a second. So what's an abundance mindset. Let's talk about that a second. So what's an abundance mindset? An abundance mindset is the belief that there is nothing truly scarce. So we grew up as a human species in scarcity and our physiology and the way our brain is wired for scarcity. And so an abundance mindset, I'll give you two simple examples and then go into more detail here.

If I have an orange tree, I'm 5'5", I grab the oranges from the lowest hanging branches, all of a sudden, oranges are scarce again until I invent a piece of technology called a ladder that gives me higher reach. And now I've got access to oranges again. If you've got a pie and you've got you know family of four coming over for dinner but then all your neighbors hear about

and they all come for dinner you have to slice the pie into thinner and thinner slices in an abundance mindset it's like we're gonna go bake more pies right right so So the realization is technology is turning whatever used to be scarce Into abundance another great example. We used to go kill whales on the ocean to get whale oil To light our nights, right? Then we ravaged mountainsides to get coal then we drilled kilometers in the ocean ground to get oil and now we're living on a planet That has eight thousand times more energy from the sun than we consume as a species in a year. 8,000 times. 2022 is the first year that we'll have more electricity added to the grid from solar than any other form. And so we're heading towards

a squanderable abundance of energy, right? Fusion is coming down the line. And anyway, so the realization is there is nothing truly scarce. Does your mindset ever play tricks on you and go into scarcity, go into victim, go into... Of course, I'm human. I mean, and that's the default code. And so I need to get, I get myself out of it. Like what's bugging me? And meditation in the morning is a great way to do that. You know, an exponential mindset is we evolved in a local and linear world. Nothing changed, right? The life of your great, great, great, great grandparents and the life of your great, great, great, great grandchildren was the same, right? Over millennia. That was it. the same, right, over millennia. That was it. But today we're living in a world where technology is growing exponentially. Things are not changing century to century or decade to

decade. They're changing year to year. And so an exponential mindset is understanding how computation, sensors, networks, AI, robotics, 3D printing, synthetic biology, augmented virtual reality, Web3, how all these technologies are just transforming what each of us can do in our lives. When I teach that to entrepreneurs, it's really important to think about that. A longevity mindset we talked about. The moonshot? A moonshot mindset is around the idea that the majority of the world is happy with 10%.

The majority of the world is like, huh, if I can get 10% more revenue or 10% lower costs, that's awesome. But we're living in a world today where you can go not 10% better, but 10 times better. We see this in our epic entrepreneurs. Astro Teller, who's the head of moonshots at Alphabet, gives a great example. He says, listen, if you're running a car company and you want to go from 50 miles per gallon to 55 miles per gallon,

you could probably do that by lightweighting the materials, maybe making your aerodynamic a little bit more, changing the tires or a little efficiency. But if I ask you to go from 50 miles per gallon to 500 miles per gallon, you need to start with a clean sheet of paper and reinvent what you're doing. Mm-hmm. And when you think about what Bezos did with Amazon, what Larry and Sergey did with Google, what Elon's done with Tesla and SpaceX, those are starting with clean sheets of paper and reinventing the model. So we all can think about our moonshots. It's like, where do you want to go 10 times bigger when the rest of the world is happy with 10%?

How does someone start reinventing 10 times bigger over 10%? So again, I have a week worth of lessons on moonshot thinking in here. Part of it is realizing that the way it currently is done is not necessarily the only way to do it. And it's first principles thinking. An example I give in the blogs are when Elon went to go do Tesla, the batteries didn't exist and he said- They didn't exist. Well, the batteries at the price and the energy densities didn't exist to do this.

And so he said, okay, well, how much should they cost? And then going and looking at the spot price for lithium and boron and the materials inside the batteries, realized that it can be, you know, an order of magnitude cheaper, but he'd need to do that. Right. So just the way things are right now isn't the way they need to need to be. He did the same thing with reusable rockets And so you've got to be clear about your purpose. Hmm I would I call what I just talked about is you need to know what your massive transformative purposes

What is that thing that you connect with in your heart and soul? That is like you're not gonna give up. So for me, my MTP early on was space. It was Apollo and Star Trek got me going. And I wanted to become an astronaut so badly. I went to medical school, half to make my parents happy, other half because if I wasn't a fighter pilot, physicians were the next likely. And when I learned about my chance of becoming a NASA astronaut, like one in a thousand, I mean, really, like very slim, I said, okay, I have to reinvent how to do this. And so- And you went to MIT and Harvard and anywhere, top of everything.

I was at the top of the schools. I read a book called The Spirit of St. Louis one day that Lindbergh flew from New York to Paris, not on a whim, but to win a $25,000 prize. And as a result of that, I said, I'm going to create a prize for private spaceflight. And so my moonshot became opening up the private space frontier. And we did that. We had the $10 million Unsari X Prize for spaceflight. We changed the rules and regulations. Virgin Galactic basically bought the rights to the winning technology. I've known Bezos for 40 years. That XPRIZE sparked him, Elon. And so we lit the fuse

on commercial spaceflight. Wow. And that was my moonshot. My moonshot now is age reversal. How do I reverse human age by decades? Wow. Because I want to go to the moon. I want to go to Mars. I want to go and see another star system. If you could predict the exact day that you'll walk on the moon, what year? 2030 to 2032, that time frame. It's expensive still.

You know, Starship will bring it down. I was just over at SpaceX with the commercial spaceflight team there. And, you know, they're selling tickets to orbit. And they're going to be selling tickets. For like a quarter of a million or something, right? I know. Well, that's on a suborbital flight. Orbit's 50 million right now.

50 million? Yeah. Sure, okay. And then there's something called a cislunar orbit like Apollo 8 where you launch from the Earth and then you go out around the moon and come back.

That's kind of cool. That's cool, yeah. How much does that cost? It's going to be on Starship and that'll be, again, 50 million. 50 million to go around. How long does it take to get to the moon? It's going to be on Starship, and that will be, again, $50 million. $50 million to go around. How long does it take to get to the moon? It's like three days there and three days back.

So it's a week trip to go around the moon. Go around the moon. But not land on the moon. Not land. And so that's attractive as an idea. When would that happen? A couple years. People are going to go around the moon in a couple of years. Yeah, there is a Japanese client who's already purchased the first Starship mission to do that.

That's crazy. And he's, yeah, it's great. It's crazy. It's great. So you think in 10 years, 8 to 10 years, you'll walk on the moon? I think that's a good objective for me. And the question is, will I do a CISLunar? I took a few companies public

last year. I'm going to wait for their stock price to go up. Let's say you had to do this in five years. You had to walk on the moon in five years. You had to. Or your life was over. Yeah. What would need to happen from you to shift the mindset to accelerate this so in half the time Elon is moving as fast as humanly possible there's no question I mean the guy is brilliant off the charts he's you know there's a there's a great Joseph Campbell quote where someone is driven as a man whose hair is on fire seeks water. I love that image, right? It's like, where is it now? I gotta go.

And so on SpaceX, and I've been there throughout his entire journey from roughly 2000, 2001, when he sold PayPal to eBay to building SpaceX and what he's doing, he'll spend every penny he's got to make the human race a multi-planet species. Wow. And Starship, I remember I was with him one day back, I don't know, it was eight years ago,

and he was really bummed. And I was like, what's up? And he goes, we just figured out that the Falcon 9 vehicle is not going to get us to Mars. It's not going to fulfill the mission. It's all about getting the human race to Mars and we're gonna have to scrap that and do something new and He he made that decision and starship came out of that right?

So a starship is ten times bigger. It's able to carry a hundred people to orbit It's able to you know, it's completely reusable, not just the first stage. It can land on the moon. It can land on Mars. And we'll be seeing it going to orbit this year. And that's the vehicle. That's incredible. It's humanity's first real starship.

That's incredible. Not going to the stars, but interplanetary ship. That'll go to the moon. Land on the moon and go to Mars. Yeah. It's designed and built to colonize. It can take 12 people to the moon. Land on the moon and go to Mars. Yeah. It's designed and built to colonize, can take 12 people to the Martian surface. When will it go to the moon? 2025, three years from now. That's incredible. Yeah, it is incredible. So I don't think there's

anything I can do other than maybe throw a little more money his way, but he's got it. I think he's got that. I'm curious about your ability to enroll. I'm a big believer that life is about enrollment. Completely. Enrolling yourself in your vision, enrolling others in your vision, enrolling communities, the world in a mission, whatever it might be. When did you learn the skill set, the mindset of enrollment?

Yes, that's a really... For your life. And also, again, you work with some of the most successful or influential people on the planet, whether they be the richest people in the world or influential people like Tony Robbins and Elon Musk and Bezos. You're working with them. You're in collaboration, you're enrolling them to give you hundreds of millions

of dollars in ideas or businesses or moonshots. How have you developed that enrollment mindset? That's a great question, no one ever asked me that. And I think it's really important for any entrepreneur, period, or a mother or a father, right? So I became driven by my desire to go to space. Right, so- When was this?

Well, you know- As a kid. As a kid, and nine years old, you know, Apollo 11, 12 is going on. Yes. I'm eight, nine years old, and Apollo catches my excitement, and I'm like, going to be a doctor, make my family happy, but I'm really going to become an astronaut to make myself happy.

And I get to college, and I'm at MIT as an undergrad. And I'm beginning to realize that becoming a government astronaut isn't necessarily the way I'm going to do this. government astronaut isn't necessarily the way I'm going to do this. And for some reason, I became enamored with creating a national and then an international space organization. It's out there now, you know, whatever that is, 40 odd years later, it's called Students for the Exploration and Development of Space, SEDS, and it's chapters around the world throughout the United States. And I start this on the MIT campus. And Bezos is the president of the Princeton chapter. And a number of my friends are presidents.

You guys go to school at the same time? Yeah, roughly. He was a couple years behind me. Did you know him in college? I threw his heads. Yeah. Really? Yeah.

That's fascinating. So at MIT, I find there's no space organization, no student space group. And I'm like, huh, interesting. I'll start one. And I found myself in starting that organization, getting all the skills I've used in life. To enroll people, you need to enroll people to get up in stage and present your ideas and be able to organize people and to raise money. And it's like, it was like, you know, do I remember anything from my aerospace engineering or molecular biology courses on my team? No, but I remember the stuff I did in the evenings. Right. So it's like, you know, school is about all the places that you challenge yourself and put yourself. And so SEDS was an incredible

educational experience. And enrolling people, whether you're getting to work for you, work with you, fund you. And people love supporting people who are both passionate, right? Finding that purpose and passion. And you know when someone's lit on fire. And it's like, I wanna help you cause I like your spirit, right? That's that kind of mindset. The other part of enrollment is the data, is showing people the reality of like,

here's the information. This is why this is possible. This is what happens if this is true. So it really is the heart and the mind, right? You need to get them cognitively so they understand it and they understand whether it's getting them to put money from their investment hat or the philanthropic hat and their heart

because people want to make the world a better place I believe in the positive nature of a human so is this a different conversation for each individual based on who they are how they think what how they're wired it is so if you're calling let's just give me give an example if you're gonna call Tony for something or you to call Elon for something would you have a different approach on enrollment for sure and what's what's the intention you set before you do the meeting the phone call the FaceTime whatever it is before you say hey I got this idea yeah I'd love to tell you about it what's the intention internally not bullshitting the person it's coming across authentically i think it is being clear

about what my role in involvement like i think this is critically important i put my money i put my reputation on on this also it's not being attached to the outcome whether they say yes or no yeah yeah because uh you can drive with passion But one of the one of the lessons I learned when I was at running SEDS I was trying to get a place called Draper labs to donate money to publish my newsletters and mail them to all the SEDS chapters and I go in there and I'm like Meeting with the head of Draper labs and at the end is like like we're nonprofit We can't donate money and so forth. And I was really bummed because I'd really set this expectation I was going to succeed. And I'm

walking out the door and I stopped myself and I said, is there any chance you could do the printing for us and the mailing for us? And he goes, absolutely. And so it was realizing that any meeting you go into, you should walk away with something, even if it is a clear critique of your idea or advice as to who might want to do this or a request for an introduction. Or come back to me with these, this and this. Yes yes yes exactly and I'll take another look or whatever it is yeah attention or can I just least take this bottle of water for free or this something out of this that's fascinating so you learned at MIT yes I love enrolling a lot enrolling and there is not taking no for an answer when dealing with a bureaucracy.

Like one of my companies I started years ago is a company called Zero G. We do weightless parabolic flights, right? I wanted to go on NASA's airplane. They wouldn't let me. So I said, screw it. I'll start my own. We're going to do it. So I said, screw it, I'll start my own. And I went to the FAA and said, I want to take a, back then it was 727,

take the airplane seats out, put padding in, put 30 people in the back, take the airplane, go up at 50 degrees and do this parabolic arc. And they were like, you want to do what? You're insane. There's no way that you can do this. And I remember thinking to myself,

I'm not going to let these guys stop me. And I said, you're either going to retire or die before I give up. Wow. It took me 11 years. To convince them. To get the FAA to approve it. It was an amazing woman, Marion Blakey,

who was the head of the FAA, the administrator. I finally had to go all the way to the top to get that approval, and we did. And we've been operating now, you can, the website's gozerog.com, I just took 60 people up on two flights, took Pharrell. That's cool, Pharrell went up there, that's cool. If it isn't your purpose.

You're gonna give up on it. You're gonna give up on it. It's like the stuff, I've started companies just to make money, it's like, it's empty. No, not my purpose. I need to, this is what I'm doing. Right. This is what I'm focused on.

Right. Yeah. And sometimes your enrollment may be, how long are you willing to show up and say you care about this? It took you 11 years. You had to keep showing up and reinventing your ask and meeting different people and building your own credibility and your proven results and showing what's possible that where they finally said, okay, let's do it. Yeah. I mean, right now, you know, I've got a few moonshots. One is around helping millions of people find their purpose in life. Right. And it's like, how do I scale that? Cause I think, I think a person who's turned on to their,

their passion and purpose is going to make the world a better place. I just think that's happier, healthier, healthier, taking more shots on goal, going after more moonshots. And I think that's a way of, of, of making the world better. The other moonshot I'm focused on is age reversal. So I've got a, either going to be a hundred million or 2,000 Bitcoin XPRIZE for reversing the biological age of a person 20 years. What does that mean? So you have a chronological age, right? So I'm chronologically

60. You can measure a person's biological age. So biologically, last time I was tested, I was 49 and a half. Mentally, I'm like 28, or sometimes I'm eight. But biologically, you're 49 and a half, is what your biology is. That's what the testing did. That's through testing what blood and different health... It's testing what's called your epigenetic clock. It's looking at the methylation pattern, which controls your epigenome, what genes are on or what genes are off. My goal is a therapeutic, something you'll do to your body.

It could be stem cells, could be gene therapies, it could be CRISPR. Who knows? I don't need to know the answer. That within a year of treatment, it could be a day of treatment, a month of treatment, but we're allowing up to a year, that we can reliably reverse your age, your biological age, 20 years. That's crazy. All right? That'd be amazing. At least 20 years. And then can you repeat that, right?

Can you repeat that? So David Sinclair and George Church are both co-chairs of the advisory board for this. Kind of the judges, essentially, right? Yeah, well, helping design the prize, right? And then they may compete, in which case they wouldn't be the judges, but making sure the prize rules are set. And we have an amazing group. And I've raised, I've kicked in money for this.

I've raised about $70 million thus far. Wow. But I want to get it to at least, in fact, the principal donor right now, a guy named Chip Wilson, who was the founder of Lululemon, the first CEO, he said, I want to make it bigger than Elon's $100 million carbon prize. So he wants it to be $101 million. So he's put in $51 million. So he's put in 51 million. He put in half of that.

Wow. That's amazing. What's the most you've raised, whether it be for your venture fund or business or XPRIZE? I mean, each one is different. I mean, last year, in January of last year, I reached out to Elon and talked to him about doing a carbon removal prize. And to his credit, he agreed pretty much on the spot. And so-

That was a hundred million, right? A hundred million, and then operating capital for the XPRIZE to run it, some additional couple of tens of million. And then the venture fund, Bold Capital Partners, we raised 400 and we're raising another 100 to close out the round. So it'll be a $500 million round. Wow. What's the difference between enrolling someone in a million dollars or a hundred million dollars? Which one's easier for you?

Well, listen, it's the number, the people who can contribute a hundred million dollars is more rarefied than people who can contribute a million, for sure. One of the things I get angry about is that there are a multitude of people out there who've got billions, tens of billions, hundreds of billions. And WTF, what are they doing with their money? I mean, there are very few people who are really taking full-on shots. You know, Elon is. There are a few others.

But it's like you can't take it with you. And if you leave it to your kids, you can destroy their lives. So, like, you know, it's like there are a few. And I've gotten to know a number of people. I'm like, guys, take some big shots on goal. guys, take some big shots on goal. You know, it's like, you know, there's so many incredible things to go after.

And it's so funny because we've gamified wealth retention. Right? So I don't want to drop from number 20 on the Forbes list to number 80 by giving away $10 billion. So we need a countervailing force, right? So, you know, I've been- Should be like number one donor list. Impact list, right? Impact list.

And so I've gotten to know Tony Robbins very well. We're super close friends, written together, started a number of companies together. And like Tony's really, you know, extraordinarily philanthropic and has committed to feeding a billion people, right? And he's like at 700 million on his way there. Crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. And so, you know, we funded a, so XPRIZE right now we have, we've launched over $300 million of prizes and those drive typically 10 to 20 times. So three to 6 billion of expenditures by the teams trying to win the prize. We got a prize that Tony and the government of Abu Dhabi funded called Feeding the Next Billion, which is really around stem cell grown meats, lab grown meats.

So where you can take a stem cell from a cow, a chicken, a tuna, whatever, and grow the final product without having to knock down more rainforests or, you know. Create more schools of fish and yeah, yeah, all those things. Who would you say are a few of the most brilliant people you've worked with in terms of the Elons, the Bezos of the world? And what would you say are the greatest lessons that they've taught you? A few, obviously there's so many, you probably can't name them all, but a few that you are- Ray Kurzweil, who is my co-founder for Singularity University, really helped me understand and embody an exponential mindset. The power of exponential technology is to take on the world's biggest problems.

Guy named Gerard K. O'Neill, who's passed, he was a professor at Princeton, was a mentor for me, helped me understand how do you open the space frontier. You know, Elon, you know, I remember I was interviewing him on the stage at Goldman Sachs about some of this stuff, and he was like, yeah, my friends tell me what's great, my best friends tell me what's wrong, right? And just the importance of critical thinking. And then first principle thinking, the idea of looking at the fundamentals and what is possible from

first principle physics, because there's a lot of wishful thinking out there. But if you can boil it down in that regard, Martine Rothblatt, who's incredible. You know, she runs United Therapeutics. It's a $10 billion company she started. Her audacity, her daughter. And all these people are heroes in our book, Life Force, Martinez. She started Sirius and XM Radio when she was a he. Undergoes sex change operations. when she was a he, undergoes sex change operations,

but then later on discovers her daughter, Genesis, has a rare and fatal lung disease. Quits, liquidates her capital, starts with a high school textbook to learn biology. Come on. Develops a cure for her daughter's disease. No way. Yeah, she tracked down Martine Rothblatt.

Wow. And there's a whole chapter on her. And she had pulmonary fibrosis and she tracks down a drug that it was an orphan drug that was never developed by one of these particular pharma companies, gets some white powder in a baggie and takes it into the lab with the world's experts and starts developing it. And that drug is now a multibillion dollar blockbuster drug for this particular disease,

but then realizes the drug's not going to cure her daughter. And so she needs to create a supply of replacement lungs. And so it starts on three different, you know, so it's an incredible story. And now Martine is a, she's a helicopter pilot and also a, and she's funded one of the top flying car companies, the electric vertical takeoff or landing, called Beta. And she wants to use the Beta eVTOLs for delivering organs to hospitals for transplant from our facility. Right?

So like moonshot number eight. Yeah, crazy stuff. Wow. I'm surprised I haven't heard about this. And so, you know, Martine has taught me, you know, never, ever, ever, ever, ever give up. You know, her comment is every no is one step closer to yes, right? Wow. And how's her daughter now?

Great. Wow. This is fascinating. But it goes back to your idea of massive transformational purpose. Yeah. And people figuring out what that is, which will drive the decisions every day towards something meaningful to them. Yeah. One of the lessons Martine has tried to teach me that I hadn't fully gotten is how to say no to things. To focus more. Because you're everywhere.

That's my biggest challenge is really focusing in. And so it's something I try. I remember once Elon was on my board of trustees of XPRIZE along with Larry Page and a bunch of other amazing people. And I got a call from Elon saying, listen, I'm sorry. I'm stepping off of every board other than Tesla and SpaceX. This was, I don't know, a decade ago. And that was what he needed to do to get those successful.

He blew it up, yeah. And now, of course- Now he's everywhere. And now he's every place. It's Neuralink and Boring Corporation and Twitter. But there's probably a period of time where each person needs to focus their efforts and not dilute their efforts so they can get bigger results. Yeah, I think I'm there.

Anyway- You start saying notice. Yeah, I think I'm there. Anyway. You started saying notice. I started to say, yeah, really. Only have 50 things on your plate, not a thousand. Well, it's understanding what is your MTP and what aligns with it and just focusing in on those. Because if you get those to the next level, then they enable everything else.

If you could only work on two businesses or two ideas that you have right now for the next. We'll talk about that in our next podcast. You don't want to upset all the entrepreneurs you're working with. Yeah, I got you. What is missing inside of you to take your mindset to the next level? That area of focus. I mean, I really, it really goes back to that. I think the biggest thing I need to do is to focus.

You know, I'm also, part of that is I'm a people pleaser in that regard. Yeah. I was doing- Most of my life, yeah, it's tough. And it's tough. So I was on stage with Eric Schmidt two weeks ago, past chairman of Google and Alphabet,

and we're having a fireside chat during my Abundance360 program. And I said, you've known a lot of incredible leaders out there. And I asked the question, do you have to be an asshole to be successful at a global level in the multi-billionaire class? Not that he is or Larry or Sergey aren't, but there's a number of people, and I won't go into it, that just don't give a shit what anybody else thinks. And so the question is, do you need to be that callous? Or if you're playing at that level where you've got

tens of billions of dollars and you're a captain of industry, I mean, what happens is you get successful enough, you start surrounding yourself with people to protect you. Right. And they become callous for you. They say no to you. No. What's the biggest lessons you've learned from Elon just in the last couple of years with everything he's been creating in terms of leadership style, in terms of investment style, in terms of strategy, in terms of his communication style on social media? It's interesting.

Right? So I had this conversation with him last April when we were launching this $100 million gigaton carbon where we spent the day together and we did a couple hour fireside chat talking about stuff and he was showing me he was tweeting out about our fireside coming out and i was he was like you know i'm only sending out tweets that are either funny or have information that is useful to the individual i'm not gonna you know, I don't use Twitter for marketing or anything like that. Now, whether or not he's actually held to that is a different story,

but that was definitely his belief in that regard. And just the audacity and his focus. The guy, we all work hard, but when it comes down to it, I was backstage with him. He funded a prize called, it was a Global Literacy XPRIZE, what we called it. And we had the winners. You had to build a piece of software that could teach a child reading, writing, arithmetic on their own. And we're giving away the final prize and he's backstage with me and just super agitated and I'm like what up he's like Tesla is losing you know

like a hundred you know forget what it was five hundred million dollars this month and and I need and it's like we got to turn this around and and there's a SpaceX launch for the first start for the first Starlink satellite and we're not sure if the coupling on the on the satellites and the frequency of the launch is gonna cause it to like you know blow up on or and he was just like just super and he has his five kids there and and three and three assistants and it's like The level of stress, right? So, you know when he said publicly a few times you wouldn't want my life, right? And you know, I believe that I believe that to be true. He's driven. He's

Mentally driven. Why do you think he doesn't he's not excited about longevity as much as you are or tony is or i had this conversation with him about about like you know when i was doing my earliest work in longevity uh you know some years back and he's like i don't think people should live uh you know forever or or past you know 80 or 100 and i was like he goes because i think people need to die to make room for new ideas and i was like maybe it'll change your mind when you're in your 60s or 70s but i don't think that's true i think a meritocracy i think best ideas can can raise to the top and i think that that society can adopt new ideas and disrupt the General Motors of the world or the Lockheed Martins of the world. I don't think it needs to necessarily be about those leaders, those companies

moving on to the next afterlife. Sure, sure. Yeah. So it'll be interesting. What advice would you give to him? If you could give him one piece of advice. He knows all the advice he needs of just focusing and slowing down. What advice do you have to someone who is gaining power? You know, maybe it's someone who's now got 100,000 followers

when they didn't a year ago or millions of followers or they're in the top 20 most powerful people in the world of your peers, what advice do you give to people with power? You know, I think it's, again, what's your purpose? It really comes down, the one thing that, I will go back to Elon, the thing that's guiding for him is that he will spend every penny he's got to make get the human race onto mars right and it's like i'm clear about that right no question whatsoever he's not going to take spacex public because he didn't want shareholders telling him what he can and cannot do with his rockets so if you're seeking power i think it's empty unless it's in service of something. So what's your fundamental objective?

You know, is it creating, feeding everybody healthcare, energy, clean water? What are you going to use your power for? Getting power for the sake of power is empty and meaningless. And yeah, just, I think it makes for a very empty life. I mean, how have you personally dealt with like, okay, more wealth, more access, more power? How do you keep your mindset abundant moonshot exponential, but not

egotistical overpowering me, me, me, you know, and hurting others? How do you keep it in service to the mission and not to yourself? I think, well, listen, my, my MTP, my massive transformative purpose, just to state it for the record here is to inspire and guide entrepreneurs to create a hopeful, compelling, and abundant future for humanity. Yeah. So the stuff that I do, you know, XPRIZE, Abundance360, it's in service. How do I inspire? How do I help people find their purpose and their passion? What are the biggest problems we're going to take on? Now, there's beautiful alignment. I like to say that the world's biggest problems are the world's biggest business opportunities. We want to become a billionaire, help a billion people. There's nothing wrong with

creating wealth and going big. But let's have it be in service of making the world a better place. And so I back the things that I think are making the world a better place, whether it's the Venture Fund or myself as an advisor. And I donate to things like the XPRIZE, FIRST Robotics, Dean Kamen's incredible program, St. Jude's. Those are my three big areas. And donating money is part of it, but it's donating your mind and your capabilities along

with your capital that matters. Yeah. Who's the most inspiring hero that you've never met that's either alive now or from history? What's the most inspiring hero that you've never met? That's either alive now or from history. I have been eating up some of the founding stories of America, right? So the founding fathers for me would have been an extraordinary group.

I mean, the idea of starting a country fascinates me. It's crazy. Right? And so, you know, we're gonna get a shot at that as we head to the moon and Mars and such. That's crazy. Right. And so, you know, we're going to get a shot at that as we head to the moon and Mars and such. That's crazy. Yeah. Well, that's incredible. We're going to create new societal structures in the Web3 in the virtual world. And we'll have citizenship, American citizen and a virtual citizen in these countries. But the real opportunity is when we start writing the legal code and the

structure for off-world living. That's nuts. Yeah, but it's happening now. Whatever we evolve into a thousand years from now, it's these next few decades that we're going to look back in history and say it was the time that the human race moved off the planet irreversibly. So it's a magical time. What, if you could ask one question of the Founding Fathers, and if you could also just share with them one thing that's happened since then,

that you'd get to share with them. I'm fascinated by their wisdom. I mean, did they really understand the implications of what they were doing? And then I would have told them about where communications are going. You know, we have a representative democracy, not an actual democracy, because we never had the ability to ask people and get the world to vote or America to vote. And I would have probably said, you need to create some mechanism by which laws are sunsetted because the world of change is

coming so fast Right, and we have all these laws in the books that were might have been logical at the time, but are it's too hard Mm-hmm. Yes evolving It's inspire stuff. I always love getting to have conversations with you. I want people to follow your your mindset bootcamp Yeah, they go to your website Yeah, D Amanda's.com slash mindset. It's a newsletter, 30-day newsletter, which teaches you this kind of bootcamp.

Basically, it's free. It's just, I'm trying to get as many people to light up and see the world in a different way because you can't unsee it.

Right. And then, you know, just at Peter Diamandus on Twitter and Instagram. And the book. Yeah, the book Twitter and Instagram. And the book. Yeah, the book Life Force.

Powerful book. It's, yeah, it's. Game changer. Yeah, it has the potential to add significant years on your life. And if you want to replace CNN with some constructive news, you can go to futureloop.com and uh and longevityinsider.org and uh there's a free as well and it's just my way of uh showing people where the world is and where it's going because it's pretty extraordinary futureloop.com yeah i asked you this question last time i'm not sure

if you remember it we'll see if the answers are the same or different. It's called the three truths. Okay. So imagine you're, you live 200, 300, 500 years, as long as you want, but eventually you got to turn the lights off and leave your body and this planet and the next planets or wherever you pass away. And for whatever reason, everything you've created has to go with you or goes to another planet. No one has access to it, right? It's lost in outer space. But you get to leave behind three lessons to the world, three things you know to be true from your experiences here. And this is all we would have to remember you by, your wisdom by.

What would those three truths be? Love is the most powerful force in the universe. Just the fundamental glue. Find your purpose in life and live your purpose in life. That is the most important thing. And just ultimately be a good person. What did I say last time? Well, if people want to hear that, they'll have to go to the previous interview and check it out because one of the three were the same. So if they want to know the other two, go check that out. Maybe you'll tell me afterwards.

I'll tell you afterwards, yeah. Before I ask the final question, Peter if they want to know the other two, go check that out. I'll tell you afterwards. Before I ask the final question, Peter, I want to acknowledge you for your audacity to continue to dream so big. I just feel like we need more models like you, people that think in a certain way, people that act and take big actions towards things to serve humanity in a better way. So I'm really inspired by your mission. I'm really inspired by your level of service. Thank you. And I'm excited to try some of these things out. I think it was the FountainLife.com.

Fountain Life, yes. I want to continue to improve my life. So I'm just inspired. It's really cool what you've created as a model for so many people in the world, entrepreneurs like myself. So I appreciate your mission and the model you've created. a model for so many people in the world, entrepreneurs like myself. So I appreciate your mission and the model you've created. Final question for you. What's your definition of greatness?

Knowing that you have done all that you can and that you're operating at your highest level. It's like, I think that for me is because being as great as you can at the end of the day if I know I have given I've left nothing on the field that's it there you go Peter thank you so much man appreciate it a pleasure appreciate it man thank you thank you so much for listening I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's show with all the important links. And also make sure to share this with a friend and subscribe over on Apple Podcasts as

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