The School of Greatness - How To Think Like A Champion & Destroy Your Limits With Your Mindset
Episode Date: November 15, 2024In this powerful episode, I bring together three extraordinary champions who share their insights on what it takes to develop an unshakeable mindset. We hear from boxing superstar Canelo Álvarez, who... reveals who he thinks will win in a fight between Jake Paul and Mike Tyson, and how he's maintained his hunger for excellence across a 19-year career. Internet phenomenon turned boxer Jake Paul discusses his journey from Disney star to business mogul. And the legendary Mike Tyson opens up about the psychology of becoming and staying a champion. Each guest brings unique perspectives on mental toughness, self-belief, and the relentless pursuit of greatness. This masterclass in champion mindset delivers game-changing insights on what it really takes to reach the top of your field and stay there.In this episode you will learn:Who Canelo thinks will win a fight between Jake Paul and Mike Tyson, and who is a more difficult matchup for himHow true champions maintain their hunger and drive even after achieving massive successWhy developing the mindset of a champion must come before the external achievementsThe power of proper timing and letting your path unfold naturally while maintaining focusHow to balance multiple ventures and optimize your time like a world-class performerWhy giving without expectation leads to greater long-term success and fulfillmentFor more information go to https://www.lewishowes.com/1694For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Canelo Álvarez – greatness.lnk.to/1609SCJake Paul – https://lewishowes.com/podcast/e-jake-paul/Mike Tyson – greatness.lnk.to/1693SC
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Hey everyone, welcome back to the School of Greatness.
Today we have a very special collection of episodes.
And one of the biggest things people struggle with today
in life is mindset.
It's understanding their own mindset
and how to go from a weak mindset
that keeps people struggling in their career,
their life, their relationships,
into a strong, powerful, foundational mindset
that allows you to overcome the obstacles
that are thrown your way.
And a great famous quote is that everyone's got a plan until you get punched in the face.
That is from the iconic Mike Tyson who we have an amazing excerpt from one of our interviews
on the School of Greatness with Mike Tyson in this episode.
But in this interview series we've got three
powerful boxing experts and also business leaders. First we have Canelo.
Canelo is arguably one of the greatest boxers of all time, specifically in this
generation. I had the opportunity of interviewing him while he was preparing
for a fight and we talked about how he's learned to develop a mindset, a sustaining mindset of success for so many years.
He's been in the game for a long time.
And we go over really a little bit about his mindset.
And also we ask him a big question.
Who do you think would beat you in the boxing ring?
Mike Tyson or Jake Paul?
And his answer and response was pretty interesting.
I'm excited for you to see what he says
based on that question and a big thing happening
with both of those individuals fighting each other.
Then we hear a clip from Jake Paul,
who we had on seven years ago, before he got into boxing,
before he became one of the most popular people
on the internet, but also one of the most hated people
on the internet, he was a Disney star.
He left high school, he came to Los Angeles.
I met him in those early years when he came to LA,
and I got to know him behind the scenes.
I got to see a little bit about who he was,
his character, his heart, his mindset.
We played pickup basketball together. I went to his house little bit about who he was, his character, his heart, his mindset.
We played pickup basketball together.
I went to his house when he had a whole house
of creators that he was living with.
I got to see him before all this stuff happened.
I got to watch him practice boxing in the early days,
and I watched his evolution over many years.
We talk about the mindset he had,
and really how he went from a high
school kid making content to building a network of influencers and creating
expansive content to how he's learned how to persevere over challenges,
developing self-belief in himself, and overcoming all the different things that
he had to do. Now love him or hate him, it's hard to deny what he's created for himself.
And he's constantly reinventing himself.
And he talked about this idea of how can I
continue to innovate and have continuous improvement
on my content creation.
That's what he talked about in part of this interview.
And you see that through his evolution,
how he spoke it into existence, and then he went and created it and is creating it now
it's pretty powerful to watch what he's created whether you love him or hate him
it's interesting to see what he's created his creativity his dedication
and how he's taken his boxing career this seriously he also talked about how
he believes that by helping others, you eventually set up yourself
for rewards down the line.
So just note that when you're listening to the segment with Jake Paul.
And he also talks about his mindset and how it's at the center of everything he does.
Then we do a clip from an interview that I did on the School of Greatness with the iconic
Mike Tyson. Mike shared
some powerful insights about the mindset required to be a true champion. And here's
a kid who struggled immensely as a young adult who had huge success and fame and
then it all came crashing down who's had to reinvent himself over and over and
he talks about the mindset of a champion in this segment as well.
Powerful stuff.
I'm excited to see what you think.
And I would love your comments and feedback below on what you think about
each one of them with Canelo, Jake Paul and Mike Tyson.
Welcome to this special Masterclass.
We've brought some of the top experts in the world
to help you unlock the power of your life
through this specific theme today.
It's gonna be powerful, so let's go ahead and dive in.
I had Mike Tyson on twice on my show,
and I had Jake Paul on.
I know they're fighting.
I'm sure everyone's asking you about it.
I'm curious, who do you think would be a harder fight
for you right now, Mike Tyson or Jake Paul?
In a hypothetical scenario, who do you
think would be tougher for you?
I think if you put them together in the ring with me,
maybe it's gonna be a little complicated.
But one or the other, they're about the same, you think? They're the same, you think, for you?
Who do you think would win between them?
It's hard to say, but you know, it's risky for Mike Tyson.
Really sure.
Yeah, because he's 57 and 58, I don't know.
And boxing is no, it's not a joke.
It's no joke.
But you know, I know I get it.
I get it.
I get it.
What they, why they do this.
It's a business.
It's a business.
Yeah, yeah.
They're gonna fight with 18 ounces with no-
Bigger clubs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a business.
Speaking of business, you've been getting into business
more and more over the years,
which I'm excited to talk about as well.
Real estate, your own businesses, Canelo Energy,
all these different brands that you're building.
What excites you the most about
business and entrepreneurship?
And is it a distraction to do all that
as well as fight ever? No. No. No, no, it it a distraction to do all that as well as fight ever?
No. No, no, it's a distraction because I have my correct people doing my team, everything.
And I do what I need to do for my business and I care about every business I have.
But I like it. I enjoy doing real stays, I enjoy being in my drinks,
and everything I do, I really enjoy it.
Yeah.
What is your vision for your-
And I stations, everything.
You got a lot going on.
What is your vision for your future after boxing?
Is it to be
a business leader in the world? Or what is the main vision that you have for business? Yeah, that's that's my goal is being
one of the best businessmen in the world. Really? Yeah. Why does
that excite you so much after boxing?
I just I like I love to be involved in these kind of things
and see how they go big and big and big and big, you know?
Starting with some and then grow up.
I like it so much.
Because when I was young, I saw my brother Ricardo.
He put ice cream store with $5,000.
We built in five, six months, like bring people,
bring people, bring people, bring people, and then he sell it for 30, $40,000.
So, and I saw him and I just start learning,
start learning and I really enjoy that kind of things.
Well, that's beautiful, man.
Is there a difference between how you trained early on
when you were a nobody the first few years in your teens?
Versus how you train now
Mentally physically is there a difference if so, what is that difference mentally is I think is
The same mentality the same
Hungry, you know is for me is I train
My mental my mind is always try to get more, try to get more
history to my career and I never, it's never enough for me.
Really?
It's never enough for me. I always train so hard because, you know,
I started like that, training so hard because in my mind
always when I was kid, I say, I want to be a champion.
And then I realize I accomplished that champion.
And I say, it's something else more.
It's something else there.
So I always, my mind is always, it's never enough for my mind.
Right.
I always train so hard and I, and I love boxing so much. I enjoy it. I enjoy it. I still enjoy it.
You still enjoy it. But it's been almost 20 years, right? 20 years.
19 professional.
19 professional. What is the three greatest lessons
that boxing has taught you in almost 20 years of boxing?
It's going to be very difficult to pick three lessons,
because I think the man I am right now,
I learned from boxing, because my whole life,
I give my whole life to boxing.
I think boxing teach me everything, everything,
bad and goods and everything.
I think boxing made me.
It made you, yeah.
What is the lesson that you would say to your younger self
with all the wisdom and experience you have now is
The only thing I can I can say to to them like I'm with
Your 15 in front of you. I have my my my son and say you you you can do whatever you want
It's just you just need to be able to to have able to sacrifices
Discipline and and hard work.
And have a good mentality because if you have that three,
three things, discipline, sacrifices, and-
Hard work.
Hard work, but if you don't have that mentality,
it's gonna be very difficult.
How do you keep the hunger alive inside of you
for so long though?
Because you were starting out as a young man
wanting to be a champion, you became a champion.
But how do you continue year after year
to stay hungry and love it so much?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I always say because I love what I do.
And I have that passion on me.
And I love what I do and I enjoy it and I'm that kind of man since
I'm that kind of person say if I'm gonna do something I'm gonna do a hundred percent
Yeah, no in the middle no ninety percent. No, I'm hundred percent. I always
Try to do my best and try to do my everything and and I think because I love what I do. Mm-hmm
How do you manage fear? Did you have a lot of fear growing up as you started fighting?
And do you have any fear when you fight today? I never feel fear really in in in boxing
I never feel
how it's like to
Feel that the fear I always enjoy it.
My, I just enjoy it a lot.
My favorite day, my favorite thing is sparring days
and a fight day is I just enjoy it a lot.
I enjoy it and I never have that experience
to feel the fear or something.
When you became a champion, world champion,
did you feel fear to lose that ever?
No.
Really?
No, never.
Never feel that fear.
Why not?
Well, did someone teach you how to overcome fear?
No.
I don't know.
I just always say because I really enjoy boxing.
I really love boxing.
I really love being in the ring fighting.
I never thinking about, oh, if this happen,
I always go with that mentality to win and enjoy.
Do you ever, when you're preparing for a fight,
do you ever think about, well, what happens
if I get knocked down or if I lose?
Will I feel bad or?
I never think about lose.
I never think about lose.
I always think and train for the win.
Yes.
And yes I do.
I think about if I get knocked out,
how I'm gonna reaction and we train about everything.
You train it when you'll fall down and train.
If I feel dizzy, what I'm gonna do. Really? We always train about everything. You train it. You'll fall down. If I feel dizzy, what I'm gonna do.
Really?
We always train about that.
We prepare ourselves for everything, of course.
But I never think about losing.
Wow.
What is the process like the day of a fight for you?
Mentally and emotionally, how do you prepare for that fight?
For me, it's a normal day.
Just like, grab a cup of coffee, relax, hang out.
Relax, obviously very relaxed.
But for me, in my mind, it's a normal day.
Really? But the world is gonna watch you
on these fights.
There's so much money on the line that, you know...
I don't think about that.
For me, it's normal. I'm gonna do my thing,
and that's it.
Obviously, I think I put everything together that day.
We put in the whole training camp.
I put, OK, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that.
We train for this.
But for me, it's a normal day.
It's like a...
You wake up at the same time?
If you see me in the locker room
20 minutes before the fight,
listen music, chilling with my team,
so for me, it's normal day.
Are you not visualizing the fight?
Yeah, always. You are?
I always visualize my fight in the night.
I know, OK, this happen, I'm going to do this.
Everything.
How much energy does it take from you to visualize?
There's a lot of energy to train, to run every day,
to spar, to lift.
But how much energy to actually think at night
about what you're gonna do in the ring?
I just think, I don't put so much energy to think
because I just, okay, I'm gonna do this and this,
I train for this and that's it.
For me, like, my life routine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's not like I do this to stress myself.
No.
It's relaxing.
It's relaxing.
Wow, that's beautiful.
And what do you think about after you win a fight,
when you've prepared for months and you win a big fight
and the whole world is watching, how does it make you feel?
It's the best feeling.
Yeah.
It's the best feeling because you put your life there.
You put everything in the training camp.
You left your family.
You left everything for that moment.
Yes.
For that moment, for the win.
You prepare yourself for the win,
and it's the best feeling.
Yes.
Then is when you realize everything,
everything you do, everything, the sacrifices,
the discipline you put in the gym, there is the result.
It's worth it, yeah, yeah.
Did you ever doubt yourself growing up?
Never.
Like self doubt, insecure?
Never in my life.
How did you learn that though?
So many people in the world are insecure
about who they are, right?
They doubt.
I never doubt about myself.
Was that your parents or your grandmother?
Or did they teach you how to believe in yourself?
My mentality is always like, I don't care who is there.
I'm gonna achieve my goals no matter what.
So, and I just started professional boxing when I was 15 years old so
Sometimes my trainer my trainers
saw the opponent and say hey, he's too strong and he's
30 years old and I don't care. I
Don't I don't I don't really care.
And then two rounds and that.
And you knock them out, yeah.
Do you have, I mean, do you ever have any insecurities outside of boxing,
like starting business or in some other ventures?
No.
No insecurities. I think the the the priest time I jumped in the
in the bus and tried to sell ice creams and in the bus, I feel
a little I don't know insecure or I feel a little shame
because you know, I'm red hair freckles and everything and I
feel like a little ashamed, maybe insecure.
But you're like five, six, seven years old?
Yeah, five, six years old.
Selling popsicles.
And then I say, oh, what happened?
Nothing happened.
And then I start feeling good.
But I think that moment I feel like a little insecure
because the people saw me
and say something about me.
I don't know.
But then I don't give a.
So like, so 25 years ago,
it was the last time you were insecure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like being on set and having that experience.
It's priceless.
Yeah, it's priceless.
And it was like so beneficial in the long run because you see how the acting classes
then apply in real life because you're on set, you're kind of just chilling.
Then it's like makeup, wardrobe, hear your lines, stand here, go. And it's like makeup wardrobe hear your lines stand here go and it's like that fast and before you know it you're like oh my god
like I'm in front of camera like they're about to roll and then everything's on
you like 50 people and you have to like nail your lines and nail your take so
how did you do did you ever mess up a bunch when you were like what was
rolling on you or you pretty prepared I was pretty I know I was pretty prepared
because I was like yeah this is my first thing like I
Got to be ready nervous. So I can imagine really nervous. Just do a lot of takes or did you kind of get your groove?
How did that work? I kind of got the groove
I think the first couple takes I was like nervous and it wasn't just like a solo scene or whatever
So there was like other actors messing up
Oh, that's nice me, but then I would like mess up one and we found the rhythm.
But after the first kind of scene, the nervousness went away and I got
comfortable with the director and the crew and.
And then you landed your own show, right, with Disney?
Yeah. So all those kind of like built up.
Well, before before Disney,
my brother and I kind of had this attitude like,
why are we waiting for other people to cast us
when we know we're talented?
We wanna showcase our skills, why not write a movie?
And I think, I don't know if you talked about this.
A little bit, but go ahead, yeah.
So we sat down and we're like, okay, let's write a movie.
And went into that process,
learned a lot about writing from that,
finished the project, and then went to go raise funds for it.
And we had no idea what we were doing.
But we paired with some some awesome people and
Eventually we had Ron Burkle and Jonathan Ornstein fun the movie and
Like we got to see like our vision come to life and now it's like fully shot
And edited and should be coming out like this this year sometime
It's called like airplane mode and we have like all of our social media
friends in it.
But that was like the idea, like, you know, we could we could do this on our
own because we have the built in audience.
And I think we'll see it. We'll start to see like a lot more of that in the
future. Yeah. And like, I know we want to continue to to do our own projects as
well as be in these like traditional films
but
Yeah, I actually could lead into your next one
I actually couldn't be in that movie because it's like rated R really and I yeah, and I booked the Disney show
You couldn't be an airplane mode
I couldn't be in it because rated R cuz you're under 18 or what cuz how's that work because I booked the Disney show before
Like what right before they're about to start shooting. I was like I can't pass up this opportunity
So because you're on a Disney show you can't be in a rated R movie. Well, yeah, it's pretty I mean
There's like a gray line sure but the script was like it was pretty vulgar and they were like we we can't really have you
But you see you don't want to pass up on Disney?
Of course, yeah.
No, definitely not.
And that whole process of auditioning to be on Disney
was like a whole other level of competition
because there's so many kids and so many different rounds
of auditioning.
How many kids were there?
How many rounds?
I mean, I think at the start there was like 10,
but that was after it was narrowed down.
I don't know what the initial search was.
Might have been hundreds in the beginning,
and then it got down to 10 finalists,
and then you did a certain amount of rounds.
Was it like a month of rounds, or was it a couple weeks?
It was like two to three weeks.
And they would have you test with the other actors actors and you know figure out like who is vibing the
best and I remember just like seeing the character and I immediately like
understood who he was and when I went to go do my first test with the girls who
were already casted as like the two lead roles I Walk into this room and there was like a giant table and like just 15
Like executive looking people like just staring at me suits. You're like, yeah, and I like walking I'm like, hey
like what's up guys like trying to like crack the lower like break the ice and
We went into the test. We there is intimidated. It's very nervous. I was very nervous, but I practiced so much
I had my lines like perfectly memorized. I knew exactly like you know the arcs. I was gonna take throughout the scene
and
Like halfway through the scene. I was like playing it so good that the girls I was testing with started laughing.
They broke character,
because I was making them laugh so hard.
You were too good.
And, yeah, the executives were laughing too.
And sort of after that one,
I came home and my brother was like, how did it go?
And I was like, yo, I know I got the role.
I know I got the role.
And I kind of just had that mindset of like, yo, I killed that one, I know I got the role. I know I got the role And I kind of just like had that that mindset of like yeah, like I killed that one
I just got to keep on killing it and eventually got the role
But it was an awesome process and that was probably like one of the the biggest moments of
My career getting the call like hey like you booked this Disney Channel show ha ha it was very very surreal
hey, like you booked this Disney Channel show. It was very, very surreal.
It's crazy, that's like winning the state championship,
national championship.
Exactly, and I knew that
I had to break into traditional media somehow,
in some way, and if I was one of the first
influencers to do so, then that would set me up for success in the future.
Just cause like having that experience under my belt,
which is like the Disney, it's like a powerhouse
and brand and their connections and they own Marvel
and ABC and I was like, okay,
this is the right place to be at.
And the experience I gained from just the first season
of being on Bazaarvark was massive.
Shooting 21 episodes, I could memorize pages of lines
in minutes.
And blocking and four cameras pointed at me.
And I basically, throughout that process,
I lost like all the nervousness I had as an actor.
I completely like broke out of my shell.
Which takes, sometimes it takes like a lot of actors
a long time to get there and then once they get there,
they're like, they're some of the best actors
that we see today.
Wow.
But yeah, I mean, it was such a huge moment to be able to have a series, regular job,
something steady as an actor.
And again, you're differentiating yourself from all the other big social media influencers
who have maybe they have 10 million followers, but they don't have mainstream credibility.
They don't have something consistent.
They're schlepping like sweet tea or whatever it is. They're like, you know, like vitamins online
Yeah, to like continue to make money. Yep, because they've got this audience, but they don't know how to build a business
They don't know how to build their own brand and traditional media around it
Maybe they're getting a few press hits or some articles or features, but they're not doing something like this like a show a movie
You know getting bigger brand deals the way you are, which is interesting.
Exactly. And one thing that I noticed after like we finished filming or after
the show started airing, a demographic that never previously came up to me in
public started coming up to me. And it was an audience that was like five,
six, seven years old that didn't even have cell phones. And so that was like five six seven years old that didn't even have cell phones And so that was like five real to come up to you. Yeah, and and this was what's your name on the show?
Dirk Dirk, so they say you're they don't even know Jake. They don't say dark. Yeah, they say dark
Oh my god, like you're on bizarre bark and they don't even have cell phones. Wow, that's that and that moment
I realized okay this decision to like spend a ton of time on making the
show was so worth it because I'm building into that audience who like eventually will
have phones, who can eventually follow me on social media and while I'm building out
this like social media demographic.
And so to me it was all worth it when that started to happen.
Because you're probably not making as much money as you could
Be on other things from the show
I'm sure it's making good money, but it's not like as big as a big brand deal could be for you just for one video
No, of course. Yeah. No, you're right
And so you're almost sacrificing a certain area of your your you know
Finances and your business to have a huge upside later
You're delaying the gratification. 100%.
By reaching an audience again
that really can't do much for you right now.
But also tying yourself to Disney brand
and saying you're an actor on Disney is massive.
Yeah, and that was like the thought around it.
Like I'm gonna need to invest the time now
and this is gonna pay off later.
And the hustle on everything else
is gonna have to increase
because like even now I'm going to have to vlog every day while on set every day. So
wow, it's going to it's a lot. How do you organize you know when I was 19 I was I couldn't
even get to class you know and all I was doing was focusing on football and I don't know
like what I was going to eat that day like how are you as a, you're 20 now, right?
How are you as a 20 year old organizing your day,
your finances, your life, thinking about acting,
businesses that we haven't even talked about,
building your content every day.
Like you're doing so much every day.
How does someone at 20, when a lot of people are listening
at 30, 40, 50 50 are struggling with organizing a day
How are you able to do that the number one thing two words time management?
And how are you like thinking about that and and what did you have you learned how to do this so?
as as like my day
Started to fill up to the point where like I couldn't do anything else in the day. I had to just go to sleep
I was like how do I prioritize this?
And I studied a lot about time management and prioritizing the things that you
need to get done on a day-to-day basis. What's more important?
Like you sitting on your phone and texting people back right away or getting your
video done and to the editor
and being on set and memorizing your lines
and taking this specific meeting.
And I then invested money to hire employees
to like an assistant who can basically do a lot of these
like small tasks for me that I don't necessarily
need to be doing unless I have to be there
I'm not gonna do it
and
she's like scheduling my day and
You know breaking down things as much as possible
The biggest thing I can say is like habit the power of like habit and like doing things consistently,
you know, waking up at this time starting your video at this time, having your weekly
meeting on Monday at 10 with all of your employees so that you know you're gonna have to, you
know, get a different piece of content for that day because you're not gonna have as
much time to film and kind of just like knowing all of these things but a lot goes into it and you really, like my
saying is you got to want it and I think that's like the number one thing is like you got
to want it.
Like there's so much time in a day when I like pause and stop all of these things I'm
like so bored and like the time like there's here.
So I think I really started to realize
like how much time there was in a day and you got to want it and cut out all
the non the the stuff that doesn't matter yeah even like a lot of
influencers in particularly like they want to go out to eat for every single
meal breakfast go to a breakfast spot lunch go to a lunch spot dinner go to a in particularly, they wanna go out to eat for every single meal.
Breakfast, go to a breakfast spot.
Lunch, go to a lunch spot.
Dinner, go to a dinner spot.
That right there is like,
each of those activities is two hours.
I'm like, yo, I'm just gonna get a personal chef
and have meal plans and microwave the stuff,
cook it up, it's healthy, quick, done.
So little things like that you have to think about.
They are taking a lot of meetings, aren't they?
Just like lunch and dinner meetings or just hanging with friends during breakfast.
A lot of it is just like hanging out.
Yeah, just hanging.
Yeah.
That is six hours a day of just like eating.
Exactly.
And going to somewhere.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Amazing, man.
Do you study anyone who does this?
Are you reading books?
Are you...
How are you learning these things?
I forget the guy's name.
Yeah, I was studying it. What's his name? Are you reading books? How are you learning these things? I forget the guy's name yet.
I was studying it.
What's his name?
Lee Clark, Lee something?
I don't know.
He has a program called like Thrive 15.
But have you heard of that?
So I watched a couple of videos on there
that really like talked about how-
Time management and all these things,
setting up your day.
Exactly and the way I think about it is like,
yeah, I'm doing all of these things,
but people are doing more.
There's celebrities doing more.
So how can I do more?
There's business people who are doing more.
I just think about the CEO of uber or
No, snapchat like imagine how much stuff is on their to-do list
And they have to prioritize it
And so I think about it in the same way as much as possible
Five years ago before you got into all this stuff. Did you?
Imagine you'd be here right now
No, what do you think you'd be doing, like finishing school
and going to college and have a girlfriend?
Or what was your vision then?
My vision then, I was actually training.
I was starting to train to become a Navy SEAL.
Really?
Yeah.
That's typical Ohio.
You know, it's like.
Of course.
No, I was like, I didn't know what I wanted to do.
Right. My grades weren't that good. Of course. No, I was like, I didn't know what I wanted to do.
My grades weren't that good, but I was athletic, I knew how to work hard, and I was smart,
I just didn't ever apply myself.
And so, started in the Navy SEALs, everything that I loved, competition, mental toughness,
brotherhood.
Yeah, exactly.
And so I was like fell in love with that and started putting in a lot of effort
into like figuring out how I was gonna do that.
And I mean, it's still something I wanna do,
but business class.
Maybe you can play Navy Seal on a movie.
Exactly, that's the great thing about Hollywood
is like you can do everything.
Yeah, so you're on that track and then these things
kind of unfold.
When you started to get the traction,
did you realize like, oh, I wanna be like this
influencer person and this is what I'm gonna do now
or did you think you'd be this big?
I don't think so.
I think part of where we found success
is not thinking too much. Which is like, I think a lot part of where we found success is not thinking too much
Yeah, which is like I think a lot of people overthink like okay
I need to do this this and this and you know, it's super hard to become an actor
So I'm not even gonna try we didn't know how hard it was, but we just like went for it
I think that's like part of where we found success or like we didn't know, you know
Exactly, you know the exactly, you know,
the formulas for creating like the best videos online.
At this point, like we were still young and like green,
but we just went for it and posted content.
Yeah.
And I think as I, you know, started to progress,
I sort of like was learning a lot
and then started to see like where this could go.
But definitely from the start, I was like, there was kind of just like,
growing followers and like making money from it. Right.
Um, eventually I, uh, I realized I needed to have like a vision.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And what is the vision now?
Vision now I, uh, I like to think of myself as like a young Ashton Kutcher, like the modern young
Ashton Kutcher where like he takes his acting presence and grows that becomes like a huge
star but is also on the business side of things and the tech side of things and is an investor and you know if
Ashton doesn't want to act he doesn't have to
And I think a lot of actors are trying to like take that route now
But they don't know how to do it like maybe just good at acting
but the spin on it is like now there's the social media element involved and
like now there's a social media element involved and the acting space is a little bit different
and like getting to the top is no one's really done it
in like today's space now,
so there's not like a paved set path.
But yeah, like I wanna have this big presence in the world
and be able to launch different businesses and products and charities and give back to
the fans and just have fun along the way.
I think one of my very specific goals is I'd like to be a superhero or a super villain
in a huge action movie.
Like a marvel?
Yeah.
Really sweet. The Green Goblin. super villain in like a huge action movie like a marvel yeah this sweet yeah
the Green Goblin I like I want to play like a like the Joker or something like
a hard role that's really hard yeah I could see that huh that's cool man I'd
see as the the young Ashman Kutcher for sure I mean that guy's really paved out
an incredible career for himself great brand and he's you know invested in multiple. You know companies as well
I'm an investor in one of the companies. He's an investor in and
It's been incredible to see what he's done. I don't know him personally, but he's always impressed me so yeah
No, same and that could do that. I mean hey, that's great vision man. Thank you. That's awesome
And so you're it's what's fascinating now is you're 20 years old and you've got
You started a couple of companies
already and you have this thing called Team Tan,
is that correct?
Yeah.
And what is Team Tan and what was the vision
for creating this?
So sort of right when I, backtracking,
like before the acting stuff, like that's one side of me.
Social media side's one side.
The business side is like, I was sitting here in LA,
I was like, how do I become bigger than just myself?
Or how do I create an empire?
And I asked myself, and a couple of my mentors were like,
think of how you can create money while you're sleeping.
Like mailbox money, where you're just getting checks for not doing anything necessarily. And I started to think of how
this would be applicable and I was like studying the entertainment space and I
saw what Dr. Dre did where he was a big artist himself, he had a skill set and he
would find people with the potential to be like him
you teach them that skill set help them like cultivate it and
Then put them in front of his audience
And from that they would blow up
Outcomes M&M 50 cents Snoop Dogg Tupac and he starts to create this network and dr. J becomes bigger than himself
but then what he did did that was special was like takes that network of influential people
that he's very close with and puts a pair of headphones on them and then that's his
billion dollar exit.
And so I was like okay is this same model applicable in social media? Can I find someone else who has potential, small following and make them massive online?
So I put it to the test and it immediately worked.
I found these kids, they had like 30,000 followers at the time and their brothers, their twins,
yeah. And brought them out to Los Angeles for like a month,
started making videos with them, taught them like,
little tips and tricks to add to their content,
taught them how to post across the different platforms,
like all the little things that go into it.
And I put them in front of my audience,
and they were young, good looking,
and good at making videos.
And so they immediately went from like 30,000 followers like 500,000 in a matter of weeks Wow and so I was like okay this worked
What are they at now now? They're like 15 million what yeah on one channel on all channels. Just all their channels come by yeah
but at the time it's kind of just like a test and
I
Was seeing if it would work So and I was still 17 at the time it was kind of just like a test and I Was seeing if it would work
So and I was still 17 at the time. It's crazy. It sounds cliche
but
what I found in
Growing out the the network that I had with other influencers is like at the start
I was just always giving and giving and giving and seeing nothing in return.
And then later on, that's when the rewards come.
And so I think as much as you can give to people without expecting anything in return,
whether that's giving to charities, whether that's giving people advice,
whether that's giving people promotion in a video,
or giving back to your fans and thanking them,
I think that always comes full circle
and what goes around comes around
and I think life will then give back to you.
Because at the start of growing Team 10 alone,
it was just a lot of giving and nothing in return until
like very recently actually. And so I found out that if you can give in relationships
or in business or in life or to charities that I really think that whatever the higher
power is, I think there's something
up there that then gives you that back in greater form.
That's great, man.
What does it take to be a true champion, to be the best in the world at something?
You lived it for a long time.
What does a mindset have to be like if someone wants to be the best at what they do?
It's just that dedicating and sacrificing your life
to be in a particular way you want to be.
Like, you want to conduct it.
Say you want to be like Tony Robbins.
You get all the information you can about Tony Robbins,
and you conduct it.
This is how I want to live my life.
This is almost like, um...
What do we call this place? This is your I want to live my life. This is almost like, what do we call these things?
This is your manuscript.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Your blueprint, yeah.
Yeah, this is what I'm going to do.
Yeah.
And I'm going to live like Tony.
I'm not going to be Tony Robbins, but I'm going to live it.
I'm going to conduct myself like Tony Robbins.
Yeah.
So you got to live it.
You got to breathe it.
Yeah.
And you have to be that before you actually become the person.
Interesting.
You're not gonna become the person over there.
You think you're prepared to be Tony Robbins right now, right?
Tomorrow you're Tony Robbins.
You didn't know.
It's gonna take time, so I'm gonna become this guy.
You know, I'm gonna be this guy before, cause you're not ready.
But when the time comes, you're gonna be ready.
You're gonna be Tony Robbins.
This is my life.
I'm accustomed to this.
Of course I got this role.
Of course I got this job.
Of course I got this rate. I prepared for it.
You wouldn't even be surprised.
Before you became the champ the first time,
were you visualizing and imagining?
Not ever since I was 14. This is who I am.
This is who I'm going to be. This is the guy.
You have to be the champ before you be the champ.
You understand? Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Does it really? Because it sounds like you have to be him
before you can be him.
You can't just pop this by training
and doing push-ups and knocking people out.
This is how I'm gonna be the champ.
No, you have to be the actual champ.
Your conduct, your lifestyle, have to be the champ
before you actually wear the belt.
Maybe that's better.
You have to be the champ before you can even wear a belt.
Wow. So you were saying, I'm going to be the champ.
You were living like the champ.
One more lifetime before I did.
I would read books about them.
That's all I did.
I would read books about them, watch them fight.
That's my life.
When I wasn't in school and I wasn't training,
I was watching them and reading about them.
Watching the greats.
Yeah.
Wow.
What's the best advice you ever got from a champion before you?
What's the best advice you ever got from a champion before you?
I don't know. Most of them, the advice they give me about life is that they say you have to live your own life. You can't live your life like me. I can't live my life like you.
We're just all different.
Some of them say, care your money, you know
Right
But I used to learn from a farce a lot of these guys. I just watched the way they conduct themselves
dignified
Let's go have some mental issues. They had damage from boxing. They're a little bit outrageous
Other than that most them were very dignified.
I think that's the thing.
What was your biggest weakness
when you were the champ for so long?
As you were knocking guys out in the first round,
first few seconds, what was the biggest weakness
in your game and also in your life?
I don't know.
I think I was a gut and I just wanted everything.
Material things to win, women, this, everything.
Everything's wanted, everything, yeah.
You wanted the world.
Right now, no, that's only the one that's...
No, I didn't want it yesterday.
Tomorrow, I want it right now.
It's instant.
Wow.
And if you can't give it to me,
I don't want it no f***ing more.
If I can't get it right now?
Yeah, I don't want it no f***ing more.
Yeah, any day I couldn't have, any day I couldn't have, I despise and hate it. Wow. Yeah, I don't wanna know. Yeah, any day I couldn't have,
any day I couldn't have, I despise and hate it.
Wow.
Yeah, if I couldn't have that girl,
I hate her.
Wow.
Can I have that car?
Those cars, anybody that drives that car.
Why do you think that was?
If you couldn't have it right now,
you didn't like it anymore.
Because I didn't need no distractions.
Oh, wow.
That make me feel anything that I'm less than immortal.
Wow.
Yeah.
So if you couldn't get it right now,
it made you feel less than immortal.
Yeah.
So you were like, get it out of my life.
Exactly.
Wow.
What's the craziest thing you wanted
that you got right now?
That you were like demanding everything
and what did you, someone,
I mean, what was something flew in from Dubai overnight
and you got like a steak dinner from somewhere or?
I never thought about that.
But I'm sure it was bizarre or something.
Yeah.
I want a tiger right now. Give me my tiger.
It's just the mentality.
It's just the way I was raised as a fighter.
I think it's because it would,
if you couldn't get it, it would distract you.
Why can't I possess that?
If I'm so great, why can't I possess that?
Wow.
It'll distract you from your goals in life.
What do you think is your greatest weakness right now,
this time of your life?
I don't know, my friends and my kids and stuff, family.
It's a weakness?
Yeah, because people are losing so many people.
They're saying that he's dead, she's sick, my friend's mother just died yesterday.
Everybody's started dying, everybody's so sad and they're wow.
You know?
Yeah.
We should always look at death as something glorious, you know?
Because listen, life is very interesting.
Listen, we got it for nothing.
Look at what we received.
We have kids, we have grandkids,
all of a sudden, boy, it's your mother and father,
and they saw each other, and they, hey,
we in love, we love now, we're here.
Look at all we got, look what you're doing,
if you just show.
It's because these people were in love.
You know what I mean, this is glorious.
Yeah.
For free.
We have to pay anything to be here.
Nothing.
You can't get mad when it's not time to go.
It's free.
What do you think about with death?
Death is beautiful.
You know, how could life be beautiful if death is not beautiful?
Because there wouldn't be life if there wasn't death.
Wow.
So death isn't something you're afraid of?
At one stage in my life, you know.
And then you reach 52, you say, well, I'm not going to get another 52.
Wow.
And then you know, wow, what happened to that time?
My whole perspective on life is different.
My whole perspective is what I needed, what I wanted.
That was all about what I needed, what I needed for someone else that I love.
What am I leaving, when I'm gone.
It's really bizarre, right?
We have the actual confrontation
and aspect of immortality no longer existing.
Huh.
What do you think is your biggest superpower right now?
Like your biggest strength?
I think it's me who I am.
My essence, my existence.
When I'm no longer here, it doesn't no longer exist.
How do you want to be remembered now?
Just remember.
It doesn't matter how.
You know how many thousands of years are gonna go by
once I die?
It's no longer gonna matter.
No one's gonna remember then,
yeah, a couple thousand years, yeah.
So what is the biggest fear for you right now?
You know how many big fears right now?
Besides, eventually I worry about my kids getting sick.
I want them to have a life like I had.
And see the world like I see.
No, I'm prepared to be God, yeah.
Wow.
What was the biggest mentor you had when you were in jail?
Was there any one in jail that taught you anything or no one?
I was just, um, I was just radical in jail.
My mentor, I need to run this all.
Really?
You were like, I'm gonna run this whole place?
I want to be in control. I want to do this.
I want to have my food brought to this.
It's just stupid.
It's a mindset you get once you get put in that situation.
I wanna make the mania of it.
Wow.
What was the biggest thing you learned about yourself during that time?
I don't know. Back then I learned that I didn't want to be there.
I was afraid.
To be there?
No, I was afraid that I lost everything that I had at once.
You lost a lot of your money at one point, right?
Yeah, but no, not that time.
That time I still had money.
When I was in prison, I still had money.
I wasn't in the bank or stuff, but I couldn't do nothing.
So I would call my account and send money to her.
If somebody needs money, I would still take care of my friends
and their bills and stuff.
But, um...
You were afraid you lost everything else?
Yeah.
Like the titles, like the respect, or...
No, no, just, um...
Things you could've done if you didn't have the...
And, um, what do you call it?
Garbage bun, you know?
What is garbage, yeah?
You didn't have this garbage
that you could've coughed off.
It's a lot of things, a lot of people, you screwed it up.
I said, oh, man.
What do you think you could have accomplished
had you not gone to jail?
Really good stuff, but I've accomplished it
when I came out.
And I still wasn't happy.
It was just all in my mind.
All the things I thought I could accomplish,
only if I didn't win the jail, was just all hallucination in my mind.
I went to jail, I still accomplished everything.
It's not more than I thought I would accomplish.
Because you came out and you still won the title.
Yeah, it was just...
You made a bunch of money.
It was just an illusion. You know, I was chasing an illusion.
It was just... illusion. You know, I was chasing an illusion. It was just, it never existed, but it was in my head.
You know, it was in my head.
I was getting revenge.
Fuck, who?
I'm no one, no one got you in jail with you.
Who am I getting revenge on?
It's in my head.
It was, you know.
What happened to your life
when you started studying spirituality more?
I don't know.
Spirituality is pretty tricky.
It's pretty much just letting it wing.
It's like, just imagine if it was like this.
And then you realize, I can make it like this.
Spirituality, I don't know.
It wipes everything.
This is what spirituality is.
It wipes everything that I ever believed.
It makes it a lie.
Hmm.
You know?
Hmm.
What did you used to believe that makes it a lie now?
I believed just what anybody else had underneath.
Yeah. I believed everything I had. So I believed. You know?
I believed all that crap.
Wow.
And everything then, so that's the paradigm shift.
When everything you've been taught your whole life,
and then it comes the time you realize it was a lie.
Now, how do we start from there?
Well, we live in our lie.
Yeah.
We have to make up our own lie and live in this lie.
It's going to take a...
Until you find if you checked and try to figure out
until the day you die, you would never figure it out.
It's based thousands and thousands and how many millions of lies
and years of lies.
And some people just dedicated their whole lives
to try to figure out the lies and what this world about is.
They found out nothing.
They have this big encyclopedia of mind about wonderful things and history of the world
and stuff, but we don't have to answer still.
It's just a beautiful ride.
Just enjoy the ride.
Yeah.
Don't try to figure everything out.
No way. It's a beautiful ride. We don't do that. That's what it means we don't do that. We. Just enjoy the ride. Yeah. Don't try to figure everything out. No way.
It's a beautiful ride.
We don't do that.
That's what it means we don't do that.
We don't enjoy the ride.
See?
All right.
Not right.
We got to figure this out.
This is not right.
This is not.
That's how we are.
Do you think if you had.
We would've spoiled something.
Yeah, I know.
Do you think if you had more peace in your heart,
more love in your heart in your 20s,
30s, do you think you would have enjoyed the ride more?
And do you think you would have been able to be successful in the boxing world if you
had peace and love in your heart?
I didn't know.
All my life I read about the Conker, Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Charlamagne, all
these crazy guys, Clovis, I read about these guys, you know what I mean?
They had declared themselves gods.
You know, depend on, if things are great prophecies,
think of Jesus, of Prophet Muhammad,
Justin's partner was in the time of Alexander the Great,
he would eliminate them.
They wouldn't exist anymore.
Everything is proper timing.
You know, in certain worlds, in certain times,
they would never have existed.
Wow.
When do you think was the moment you started to feel more
peace in your heart?
Like, inner peace?
I don't know.
When I had the responsibility of just taking care of my family.
That's when it shifted more?
Yeah, after I tried to destroy it, it didn't work.
And I said, well, I have to take care of this stuff.
I have to really confront what am I going to do here?
You know, and then I said, this is what I'm going to do.
I'm going to dedicate my life.
And that was a mess too.
And then eventually we have 10 years.
It worked out.
We have a great deal of respect for one another.
Where do you think it'd be if you had no kids right now?
I wouldn't exist.
Really?
No way.
Where would you be?
I don't know.
Probably, I'd be dead with AIDS or something.
Really?
Yeah, I wouldn't exist.
Or maybe somebody would kill me for what their wife or girlfriend. Really? Yeah, it wouldn't exist. Or maybe somebody would kill me
with their wife or girlfriend.
You never know.
Unless I be a junkie.
Wow.
With a kid, that's something that stable me.
Wow.
That's something that gave me any kind of meaning.
When I have kids, the world, I don't give a.
Wow.
Yeah, man, talk.
Do you wish you would've had kids younger then, or? No, I wouldn't have accomplished my goals.
Everything's proper timing.
Proper timing, yeah.
You think you're playing checkers, and you think you're navigating your life, but you're
not.
You think you're, I know you say, why don't I just go ahead and do some joking, and just
f*** my life up there, and Mike don't think I'm navigating my life.
I'm just, you're just not, you're not programmed to do that.
And if you were programmed to do that,
you're programmed to come back and rebound.
Your life is not meant to go there.
It's just not meant to be.
Wow.
What do you think is the lesson
you still want to learn for yourself?
Like the challenge you want to overcome still
to make you a better person?
I can't, I can't never find that. to challenge you when it overcomes still to make you a better person?
I can't. I can't. I never find that.
You know, because that lesson,
that's the thing I want to realize is,
why me? Why is this happening?
I'm never going to figure it out.
What's the question you wish you could have answered?
Why is this cool in mind? Why is my purpose here?
You know, but I can make something.
I can say my purpose is to be the best person I could possibly be before I die.
Mm-hmm.
You know what I mean? That could be my purpose in life.
See how far we can go in life before we die.
Yeah.
You know?
But so, but suppose, um, people don't think in that perspective.
That's what LL Cool J told me,
because I'm talking some,
I think I'm talking some glamorous,
I'm talking some fly.
And he was telling me on mic, you know,
there's some people that live in the outskirts of Ohio
or somewhere, they just live simple lives
and that's all they wanna do, Mike.
Enjoy their life.
You're talking about something, not Mike.
They just ready to die, ready to meet God,
taking care of the kids, the people they love,
or maybe going on vacation.
Maybe never going on vacation.
I'll leave the town, but this is just a simple life.
This is what makes them happy.
And I really can't, you know what I mean?
I come to the place, if you're nothing,
if you're something, you're nothing.
You know, the internet's so, shower.
If you're not something, you're nothing. What-hmm. You know, this is not some shower. This is not something, you know,
what's my definition of something?
Mm-hmm.
Somebody with a motherfucking water,
money in their pocket.
I have no concept of humanity is what life is.
Does that mean I have a water?
I should be able to violate that person that does it.
Wow.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I'm lost again. Wow. I shouldn't know. Yeah. I'm lost again. Wow.
I shouldn't have started to think.
We have to go with the flow.
How did you learn to finally start forgiving yourself?
Oh, that happened.
Excuse my language.
That must have happened yesterday or something.
That stuff, you just don't do that stuff overnight.
It doesn't work like that.
At least for me, it doesn't work like that.
It took a long time to forgive yourself?
Yeah, so that took, because I was a little bit of a wimp.
I was a little bit of a wimp.
I was a little bit of a wimp.
I was a little bit of a wimp.
I was a little bit of a wimp.
I was a little bit of a wimp.
I was a little bit of a wimp.
I was a little bit of a wimp. I was a little bit of a wimp. I was a little bit of a wimp. I was a little bit of a wimp. I was a little bit of a wimp. And that stuff, you just don't do that stuff overnight.
It doesn't work like that.
At least for me, it doesn't work like that.
It took a long time to forgive yourself?
Yeah, because I only, I know my demons, and I realize in life everybody's going to really
find them out eventually.
You think you're gonna hide that it doesn't work that way.
So you just started to forgive yourself on things?
Or is it happening every day?
It comes around, yeah.
Wow.
I'm not going to hate my...
You know it's cool, man. God loves you.
I don't function, I don't think that.
God leaves you to figure it out.
You're living on yourself.
If it's cool, it's cool.
If it's not, it's not. You figure it out.
Yeah. And what are you most proud of in your life that you've done?
I'm proud that I'm existing. Yes. I love to be alive. I know this makes
sense. I'm proud to be alive and existing.
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