The School of Greatness - I Was a Champion on the Field and Broken at Home | Terry Bradshaw

Episode Date: October 5, 2026

You can win four Super Bowls and still spend every game afraid of losing.Terry Bradshaw, a Pro Football Hall of Famer and longtime host of Fox NFL Sunday, sat down with Lewis and admitted he was never confident as an NFL quarterback. Fear cost him his throwing motion, and he completed just 51.9% of his passes. Underneath it all were his mother’s words when he was eight: you’ll never amount to anything.He talks openly about depression and ADHD, which he didn’t learn about until after football. He also talks about three divorces, and the moment it hit him that the common factor was him. Three years of counseling and a hard look in the mirror later, he married his best friend, a woman who makes him talk about what he’d rather bury.In his memoir Looking for Terry, and in this conversation, he explains why he sobbed over his dog but not his mother, and how his wife taught him to say no. He also shares how his faith held through cancer twice in one year, and why he cares more about kindness than greatness.You’ll come away gentler with your own fear, and maybe ready to ask for the help you’ve been putting off. Looking for Terry: A MemoirThe Bradshaw Family Cookbook: Our Favorite Recipes for Game Days, Weekdays, and Any DayKeep It SimpleIt's Only a GameTerry on InstagramTerry on FacebookIn this episode you will:Discover how Terry Bradshaw turned childhood criticism and harsh coaching into fuel instead of letting it define himBreak the relationship pattern that repeats when you finally admit the common factor is youPractice mirror evaluation, the self-honesty exercise Terry uses to see himself clearly without inflating or tearing himself downRecognize depression and ADD as manageable conditions by talking them out rather than hiding themBuild a marriage grounded in friendship, where saying no is allowed and hard conversations happenRedefine greatness around kindness and hope rather than trophies or moneyFor more information go to https://lewishowes.com/1989More SOG episodes we think you’ll love! Get More From Lewis! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Again, thank you so much for being here and listening to The School of Greatness. Make sure to follow right now to stay up to date on the latest and greatest. There's nothing more powerful than hope. That's Terry Bradshaw, a man who won four Super Bowls and still had to fight his way back from three divorces, cancer twice in the same year, and a depression he didn't even fully understand until his 40s. And if you've ever felt like the world only sees your highlight reel, the wins, the title, the trophies, while you're quietly falling apart behind it, then this episode is for you. Because Terry's proof that success doesn't protect you from pain and that getting hit isn't

the story, getting back up is. In this episode, you're going to hear Terry get honest about therapy, faith, learning to say no without guilt and why hope was the only thing that pulled him through when nothing else. could. Terry Bradshaw is a pro football Hall of Famer, four-time Super Bowl champion with the Pittsburgh Steelers, longtime host of NFL Fox Sunday, and author of the new memoir Looking for Terry. My name is Lewis Howes. This is a school of greatness, and let's welcome Terry Bradshaw. When was the season of your life, and maybe it's now, but when is the season of your life you were the most competent in yourself? And when was the season of life where you were the least confident. Just as our human being, what I would say in all areas of life. Well, the first thing

comes to mind as the player, I never was supremely confident as a quarterback in the NFL. Really? I always had fear. I was always scared of losing. I hate that feeling. I mean, I watched these guys today. I watched the Peyton Mannings and the John Elways and the stalbacks that are just, you can just see it. You can see Joe Burrow in Cincinnati. You can see Allen and Buffalo, Matthew Stafford of the Ram. You can see, you just watch them. They're just filled with confidence. And I was always afraid of losing.

I just say to myself, you know, don't think I haven't had this conversation hundreds of times with myself. I lost my throw in motion because of my confidence. And I went home and I tried to pick up and figure out how to rotate the football. I mean, I lost all of that. Really? I basically started over. Interesting.

Yeah. And it was such a struggle. I worked on it my entire career. It was just in college, I just throw. The pros, I guess all the negative and afraid to make mistakes. You internalize everything. I can't make a mistake. I'm calling a pass.

Oh, you've got to complete this pass. If you don't complete this pass, then you might not be able to throw another, you know. It was crazy, man. I hate telling it. You know what? I hate saying that because it's like, oh, come on, Dan, you did all these Super Bowls, yeah.

I'm proud of the fact that I had all these struggles and I've yet to play, you know, but God, I just. What do you think you would have been had you had more confidence than yourself, even though you excelled so well, you won four Super Bowls being a parade? Right. But what do you think you would be if you were fearless and had all the confidence in the world like these guys today that you're talking about? Well, I will say this. Confidence as a player or the guy that can handle the situation.

I did get that. Uh-huh. But I still struggled. Yeah. I threw with a finger on the tip of the ball, which is wrong. I tried everything in the world to get my hand off the tip because the more skin you have on a football, the better you'll throw it,

the better you'll control it, the more accurate to be. I knew that, but I practiced and I just, it would not, it didn't, if we'd have had quarterback clinics and quarterback gurus back in my day,

I would have gone to them to change it, and they could have helped me, and I'd have been so much more accurate, you know, and so much more control. And my whole process wasn't getting, hit or even coverages. Mine was one, is the

timing going to be right? Because I'm throwing a ball in the Super Bowl 14. I threw a pass a guy wide open. That ball came out of my hand. Wach, wah, wah, whack, whack, wah. That doesn't happen. That shouldn't happen.

It just drove me nuts. But playing in big games, eh, they didn't bother me. I love, no. Even though I had my demons on the side, you know, with control the football. And I mean, I threw for over 300 yards in that game. So, wow.

But I also threw three interceptions. So what would you say is the season you've been most confident in your life? Is it when you're playing football at some point? Is it, you know, is in the last 20 years? No, I, that's, it's now. Really? It's now. I'm, when I quit playing football, I, I got a book coming out looking for Terry.

Yeah, right. In that book, in that book, you go through everything you've asked me and we've talked about are things that I discuss. And I think, I'm not the only one in the world. And millions of people are doing what I'm doing. And I'm good at talking. And I'm a good communicator. I know that.

Now, I'm not bragging. I'm not being vain here. I mean, I am. I love to tell stories. Yep. I'm very honest, I'm very truthful, but that's why you say, but wait a minute, you won four Super Bowls, how could you have trouble? Well, I'm telling you, I'm not asking you to believe me, I'm just telling you,

you didn't see it, but I, I lived it. You experienced it, yeah. Yes. I never threw the ball in the NFL, and I felt like I put it in college, never. Never. I know that, nobody else knows it, I'm just telling you. Sure. Yeah, and it got along pretty good.

As I told the quarterback for Oklahoma, John Latier, they said, well, you got to improve your completion percent. You only completed 63 percent of your facets. I said, John, I completed 51.9 percent of my facets in the end up. Wow. That's terrible. That's terrible. But right now, for sure, I'm doing exactly what God has prepared me to do. That's talk.

Wow. Talk, communicate to share the good, the bad, the ugly, the beautiful. My wife gives me numbers because I talk so much and I'm a people person. I'm sure you are too. That's why you do this podcast. I love people. I can't meet somebody and not find something about them. Grocery store. I don't care where I am. I have to know something. Hey, how you doing? Good to see. What's your name? Maybe you move on. Of course, you're always moving on. When I got that diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and you swell up, you know, steroid, you put on weight and you're eating everything you can see.

Well, I'm noticing I got these marks on my body, these fluid because your socks cut, you're creasing in, you've got a big deep crease. So we're in Hawaii. We're at Kmart buying stuff for our house. And everybody, hey, Terry, how you doing? Terry, how's it going? Oh, hey, hey, hey. Yeah, you can tell, I'm a little puffier. I put on a little weight. I've got rheumatoid arthritis, and I'm taking steroids to find out what the blend's going to be,

so I'm overweight right now. Oh, okay, well, good to see. Good to see you, man. Next guy, hey, tell you how you do. I'm doing pretty good. As you can tell, I put on weight, and I'm going to the same story. And my wife goes, honey, honey, honey, honey, wait, wait, what are he doing? What do you mean?

What am I doing? I don't even know I'm doing it. You're telling everybody that says, Hey, Terry, you're telling them your, you know, you're on steroids. They don't care that you're on the railroad's your puppy. They just recognize you. They're going to say hi.

Get out. And I said, am I doing that? That she said, yes. I said, oh, honey, I am so sorry. I will not do. Thank you so much for bringing that to my attention. We're getting into the car. We drive across the highway to a magnificent target.

this Kmart was that good big this target's bigger got more stuff so we drive into the parking lot go in get our buggy going down the aisle here comes this guy hey Terry how you doing how am I doing look as you can tell I'm a little puffy and did it again oh I've got rumored arthritis and they're trying to find the right blend I'm embarrassed I'm in about 50 pounds heavy and I'm you're ready for this

can I stand up? Yeah, yeah. So I stand up and I pull my pants up and push my sock down and I went And I went, look, look at the crease from the

And while I'm done, it hits me What I'm doing I started, I started laughing Man, I thought I could help myself Like I'm doing right now I'm embarrassed. And I just say, man, I'm doing good. And I looked at her, she's just shaking her head.

And I just said, why do you do that? Why do you do that? You know, now I can't say goodbye. I see somebody we talk about. And so her deal is now three. And I'll keep talking. She'll go, five. And that's goodbyes.

That's how many goodbyes I've gone through and haven't goodby. I love. You're like my, my wife is like that. Yeah, the other day she goes, seven. I don't have left. You said goodbye seven times without leaving it. I just started laughing. They don't know what I'm laughing.

I'm laughing at her. She's on, let's go. That's funny. Oh, it's real funny, but she gets a kick out of there. Yeah, my wife from Mexico, her family, they say goodbye for like 30 minutes. And I'm like, you said goodbye, you hugged already, leave, you know. It's like, or don't say goodbye. And I don't know why why we do that?

Who knows? I mean, I, we don't want, we don't want to leave, you know, we like having a conversation. Yeah, yeah. Something else, he said, hi, you, hi, didn't you, how's your, how did you, how's your, did you went on the fishing trip? How's that, oh, really? You know, I went on three, really, wow, no way. You still would, Sam still work for, really, it just.

Keep going, back, yeah. Hey, yeah, thanks, hey, but when I went down to my ankle. You started to realize, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lewis, I broke up like you never seen in your life. It's embarrassing. That's amazing. Well, at least you're aware of it, though. That's good.

You've got somebody to support you with that. I know. What is the difference between the persona that you've kind of created over the years versus what people really see behind the scenes? There is definitely parts of your personality that you kind of push your side. depending on what you're doing you'll say well this this is not going to work here I don't want them to see this whatever and I am I'm an engaging curious guy who likes to laugh have fun and I don't necessarily I don't dislike it but I don't necessarily get into the deep dark stuff, which we all have. Yeah. So in doing interviews, my goal today with you or anybody that is interviewing me,

I want to be this, I want this to be the most enjoyable interview you've ever had. I want to do everything I can to make this work. So that is not pretending. That's real. But I think we all, Lewis, I think we all hold back some of us. I try, if you ask me a tough question, a personal, I'm going to answer it. I'm never going to tell you, I don't want to talk about that. I'm never going to be rude to you.

I'm going to answer your question. And then later, after I see the interview, I may go, oh, man, I wish I hadn't have said that. Really? Oh, yeah. I embarrass myself. I think sometimes my antics are a little silly, goofy, while I might think that I'm entertaining or being fun, and in some cases I am, in a lot of cases I am.

Then in other times, I'm like, you know, I wish I hadn't have done that. Because I think that's one of the reasons I don't like to watch myself, because I embarrass myself. I'm, you know, I embarrassed myself. And I don't mind that being me what you're going to get. But I don't necessarily want to watch it. Really?

Yeah. Is there something where you feel maybe you feel embarrassed by watching yourself? Or you feel shame or you feel like what's the, well, not shame. I'm a little embarrassed because you can be too much of anything. You can go over the top. you can your personality since I'm I don't call myself an alpha male um but I I'm smart enough now in the job that I have not to be an alpha male I I am smart enough to drop down and let everybody else go and not try to say oh yeah let me tell you what happened to me and keep mine

out of it. I enjoy that part of me. I don't have to dominate the conversation in a group of people. Like I told you earlier, I like to listen. I like to be entertained. But I am very much aware that my personality can wear people out. And I don't like that part of me. When I'm giving speeches, for instance, I love, when I get on a role, I love creating and making people laugh.

Yeah. You know. And once you hear that first laugh, keeping it going, right? Yeah, it inspires you. I had a boss one time tell me, you can't be funny on TV. You're going to lose your credibility.

And I remember telling him, how am I going to lose my credibility? I won four Super Bowl. They want them away? Right. And I think the point is if you're in a leadership position, you're not supposed to be funny. You're not supposed to be engaging. You're supposed to be serious, serious, serious. And I can be serious. And I am serious. And I don't have a problem with that. It's just that I prefer that part of my life not, you know, in my business with my horses and my cattle and my speech, I'm serious. But at the same time, I'm engaging. You know, with the people I work with, the people that come to buy stuff from us,

I'm engaging. I want them to feel welcome. I want them to feel at ease. And I think a warm personality and a warm smile and a chuckle here and there, I think that's good business. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, I was getting to connect with you and your wife just behind the scenes for a little bit before this. And you've been, how long have you been with your wife for now? 22, 23 years. 23 years. 23 years. I'm curious, what is the thing that you love the most about your wife that has made the greatest impact in your life in the last 23 years. Okay, let me tell you this.

Let me just say this to everybody. I am a product of three divorces, okay? Am I proud of that? Absolutely not. Now, you said ashamed earlier. I am ashamed that I've been divorced three times or once, whatever. That is not something certainly that I'm proud, that I'm proud of. I grew up in a Baptist family, Christian family, you get married once. Okay. I got divorced and I never forget my preacher telling me I was going to hell. Really? Yes. That doesn't feel good. No, did not. So I never went back to that church. Yeah. It's not that I was looking for someone to say it's okay to get divorced. Yeah, yeah. I wasn't trying to find someone that agreed with me. I just didn't think according to to my study of the scriptures that I was going to help because God will forgive you, right?

Yes. But I'm not proud of it. Now here's the thing I am proud of if this makes sense. It does to me, maybe not to our viewer, is that once I got divorced a third time, it finally dawned on me. It's not them. No. It's not the people.

It's not the women. It's me. Interesting. Now, why am I marrying the same woman three times? So I went about finding out why. And once I believe I understood why and realized that in counseling, I needed to break the cycle. What was that cycle? All the three women were all alike.

Nothing wrong with that. It just wasn't for me. And it wasn't about them. It was about what you were choosing. Me. Me. Yeah. And I had to learn about me. Interesting.

All right. I had to look into a mirror. I used to use this in speeches and I do. And when I get to thinking about it, it doesn't really apply. It makes sense. I call it mirror economics. But it's really mirror evaluation where you honestly are in a room by yourself. All right.

And you're looking at a mirror. nobody in there but you in that mirror now what do you see let's go so you start talking to yourself oh my right ear's bigger my left ear i got some stomach i got a big stomach my eyes are deep set i'm a little bit bow legged i'm this i'm that i'm this i'm that physically i'm just i'm going through everything about me but this is good i have a nice kneecap or my i'm got i you're you're I got nice legs. My wife's always so, boy, you had great legs. Okay.

Oh, I do have. I got nice leg. So you, good and bad, but you're brutally honest. Broodly honest. Now, how important is it to me to take the negatives and try to make them a positive? I know I got the good stuff. Now I've got to work on the bad stuff. And I think through counseling and going to counseling,

I am attracted, basically, I don't know to say this wrong, because I'm married to an awesome woman who I love madly, but I was attracted to the wrong thing. The wrong thing appealed to me. Deep inside, it was the wrong thing. No, nothing against the women. Yes. Absolutely nothing against them. It's me. And that's okay. At least I know now. And what I needed was what I have. And it took me a while to figure it out. I needed a friend. I needed someone that I wanted to spend all my time with. Can you imagine? Yeah, yeah. Spend all your time with a woman's? All the time?

I needed someone that I could talk to who didn't judge me. Interesting. And ridicule me. And I needed a woman that made an effort to study and understand me and not take face value and then take the negative and go, well, I can't handle this.

Instead, saying, why is he acting like that? Why is he this? Why is he that? Is this a deal breaker? Okay, let's talk about it. My wife makes me talk about stuff I don't want to talk about it. A lot of men don't want to talk about a lot of stuff. I ain't want to talk about it.

And then finally, I'll go, okay, all right, here's the deal and I dump it out and she'll say okay all right and then we talk about it yeah i met fell in love with my buddy now here's the great thing about my wife i couldn't do the normal courting thing took me over a year and a half to tell her i loved her uh-huh i went about to tell her i loved yeah because you weren't about to do that no but to buy to answer your question The thing you love the most about her, yeah. Yeah, the most I love about her is that she's such an awesome lady in every aspect. Being a Christian, she loves our Lord, which is awesome.

She loves her kids. She loves my kids. My kids put her through hell. Really? And she's right there for a war. Wow. Yeah, old daddy daughters. Nobody's good enough for my daddy.

Wow. Yeah, and she's right there. It's just, you know, God finally gave me my match. And you know what's great? You know what's great, Lewis? I don't ever get, I don't ever, ever get mad at her. Disagree with her. Occasionally have raised my voice and immediately,

but nothing has ever happened where I say, I got to get out of this. No. I'm not going for this. Nah, you know what? Okay, great. I mean, she's my best friend. I never thought I'd say this ever in my life. Who's my favorite golf partner? She is. I don't play golf without her. Wow, really? No, I won't play. I haven't played a round of golf in probably 12, 14 years that she's not there.

Really? You don't go do like a guy's trip or guys golf? No, no guys trips. I don't want a guy's trip. Right. I mean like a golf charity event. Hey, let me tell you something. Yeah. Let me tell you about a guy trip. All right? You got a great marriage. Uh-huh. Okay. So we've been married five years, six years. Everything's great. So this one morning, I wake up early, I make coffee. I get dressed.

I go in to tell her, you know, I'm leaving. She says, where are you going? I said, well, I'm going to run over so-and-so. He's got a horse I want to look at. Then I'm going over to so-and-so. They got a baby out of one of our stows. I'm going to go check on that. Then I'm going to run by mics, and then I'll be back this afternoon.

So she goes, well, wait, and I'll get trash, and go with you. I said, no, no, I want to go by myself. Broke her heart. So I'm kissed her, and I go and get in my truck, and it bothered me. I get, and I crank up, I'll go outside the ranch gates down. I get on the highway, and I'm driving. and I can't stop thinking. I heard her.

I exited to her and went back. Couldn't do it. Wow. And I've never, I will never do that again. Wow. Why didn't I? What was I want? My man time?

Right, right, right. I don't know, I don't want man time. I like, I like weed time. I don't fly anywhere without her. Wow. I go nowhere without her. nowhere. Wow. Every trip I'm on, she's on. Every work trip she caught. Every work trip. I turned all our businesses over to her because she wanted to be a doctor. She's a radiologist. So she's a very

smart lady. And she is super smart. Wow. And loving and kind. Wow. And I mean, she's my angel. I mean, I'm a lucky dude. What is the biggest lesson she's taught you over the last 23 years of marriage? This is the first thing that came by my mind and it's true. She has a, said it's okay to say no and you just said it well ago your people please her oh man i don't want to do that but he's a buddy yeah you know and i don't want to do that oh i did that two years ago and didn't enjoy it so she said she has she has taught me it's okay to say no i would say it's okay to say no don't worry about hurting people's feelings and if you hurt their feelings you know it's okay yeah it's okay and you're happy.

Why should I be unhappy, but you're happy? Why not let me be happy? So I think saying no, but I say no through her. You know, hey, hey, Lewis, would you go tell so-and-so? Yeah, of course. Excuse me, well, I go, yeah. So she protects your energy. That's great.

That's great. Yeah, and she, you know what? She's good at it. Yeah. I had a lot of people pleaser and me growing up. I was also very driven as an athlete. You know, I've got football as well. I would never half as good as you.

I didn't win any Super Bowls or anything like that. But I was, I felt driven to achieve, to accomplish. And I also felt very insecure growing up. Like I wasn't smart in school. Right. And didn't feel like I had a lot of friends growing up until later, later years. Right. So I kind of brought on this persona of like, I need everyone to like me.

I want to please people. I don't want to say no. I don't want to hurt people, things like that. And it got me feeling very resentful over many years. Resentful of myself, resentful of others. And I wouldn't say I went into a depression, but I definitely felt a lot of negative thinking for a long time.

And I felt like I had a lot of suffering mentally and emotionally because of it. Until I learned how to do my own mirror test, start reflecting and start healing some of that. And then I created a lot more peace within myself. Well, you get a lot of guilt, because people throw a lot of guilt on you. What do you mean?

I received it. People put you in a position and you'll be happy with me, but I'm going to be miserable. And sometimes it's like, everybody knows this. Look, if they don't like it, get over it, they're not your friend anyway.

None of us have a lot of friends. None of us, none of us. None of us. Even family is not friendly. And I think that's hard to deal with, especially if you're a kind-hearted, Drental, giver, who loves to make everybody feel good and happy and so and so forth, that when you say something negative, they go, well, how could you think of?

They thought the world of you. My mother, when she died, I didn't shed a tear. Now, you don't think that in drugs? That still bothers me. Why? Well, my dog died, James died. And I picked his casket up at the vet when I came out of the plane and took it and put it, put it in the back seat and I got in the car.

Tammy's sitting there and I just started bawling, uncontrollably, over a dog. All right, my mind will not let that event leave. Nobody did more for their mother. Nobody put up more from their mother. nobody tried to make her life better than I did and nobody

in our family was abused as much verbally as I was and I think when my mother died it was like well now I don't have to worry about why haven't you called

where da da da and I just don't need that well I travel well I hadn't seen you you and then well i'm gone all the time well you just need to stay home you don't need to be traveling that much well i wanted to say well i got to travel that much because i got to make this money to pay for that house i just built you or buy that mercedes bans i got to pay for all this stuff i didn't say that right but you say it now you had the resentment in you though it pissed me off yeah why don't you just appreciate uh-huh appreciate what i'm what i'm what i'm doing i love me to death that hasn't changed but i don't know i know i don't know i don't know i don't know um

I haven't talked to a counselor about it, but it has bought, not a wife, it certainly tried to help me with it. Sure. But when James, a dog died, a dog, and I boohooed, and you know what it was, you know what I came to conclusion? What's that? That dog was so sweet to me. That dog was so loving.

That dog was so kind. And I had nothing but love from that little puppy. I think love and kindness is what triggers me. That's why as a football player, Lewis, my coach was hard on me. I didn't like him. Talking to a high school coach or college? High school coach, no. High school never even gave me a high school was fine.

Coaches were fine. They never belittled me or anything. College, I got nothing but love in college. My coached with college was a guy that made me great, He was one that lifted me up. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best.

You don't worry about that. Don't worry about that. Don't care what they said. I'm telling you, you could do things. And I'm just sitting there next thing. No, I believe in. Wow. And he elevated me.

And if you're nice to me, kind to me, and I think anybody out there will say this. I'll do pretty much whatever I can for you. My friend, I hope you're enjoying this episode. And the School of Greatness Drops, new conversations every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday around money, mindset, healing, manifestation, and relationships.

And if you're not yet following the show, then you're missing all of them. Please tap the follow button right now, and you'll get notified the moment every new episode drops because the next one might be exactly what you need. Now, let's get back to the conversation. Which coaches were the ones that berated you? Is it when you got the pros, they were on top of you? On top of me, Chuck was the worst. People didn't necessarily see it, but I spent all my time with him.

And he was tough. He never gave me, he never gave me confidence. I never felt that he cared for me at all. Now, Marianne's wife might say, oh, you should have heard all the wonderful things. Well, that's great. He told you. He didn't tell me. Yeah.

You know, stop me going through a hallway right before we go out on the field to play the Cleveland Browns. I'll never forget it. And he stopped me, put his hands on me. He said, you play bad in the first quarter, I'm pulling you. Okay, that's great. Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm going to run through a wall for you.

Yeah. You know, just, I don't understand it. I played well, but, you know, and I think Stalback and Landry may have been that way because I get these coaches, don't want to get close to the players necessarily. Or at least let you know it because one day they got to tell you, hey, you're out of here. Yeah, we'll catch you. I get that. I understand that.

But as the quarterback, I didn't need the negatives. You know, I wouldn't defend me. They're talking bad about me and I'm your guy. Defend me, you know. But I had to, if you're ever going to ask me in this interview, what are you most proud of your accomplishments? My most proud of is this, that I took all the. the negative crap that I had to deal with and I turned it around and I used it to make me strong.

I turned it to make me strong to make me okay. That's where you feel. I'm not going to say this here, but I have some choice words for those. Sure. And I'll show you and I put up a wall and I'm proud of the fact and I know how to put the wall up today. You know, you're not going to hurt me. You know, try it. Do what you. Say what you want to say. I really don't. I really don't. care. And I really don't care. It's 78 years of age. I really don't care. Yeah. Now, I'm curious about this. You've already been open about this. One of the things I was telling you before we started rolling is that 2003 or 2004, you opened up about depression on TV. Right. And there was no one really opening up about any of this stuff, mental health,

depression, sexual abuse. None of that stuff was being talked about in 2003, 2004. And it really wasn't until the last eight years were more kind of male athletes. were opening up about the different problems they were faced personally, right? Right. And so first off, I want to acknowledge you for leading the way because I know it takes, even though maybe didn't feel like it was courageous for you, someone, whoever starts opening up about something that's never been done before, they're the ones who...

Laved the way. They're the ones who get the most, you know, not retaliation, but get made fun of the most. They get, you know, talked about in a weird way the most. Exactly. And I know you got made fun of by other guys who weren't really accepting of you opening up about depression. So I want to acknowledge you, Terry, for leaving the way for all of us mental rats.

No, I was leading the way. Right. You know, the reason I even diagnosed, it's just the fact that I just had these anxiety attacks and emotional breakdowns for no. apparent reason to me. Where do you think that was coming from? Oh, man.

It may have, I, I, I, they were tracing me all the way back to childhood. And that could have been part of it, you know, where you were, I was told one, you know, my mother said, you'll never amount to S-H-I-T. Really? Your mom said, my mom. Wow. I never forgot that. Wow.

Never. I even told her. Yeah. She, how old were you when she said that? Probably eight. She said you never amount to anything. Yeah. Really?

Yeah. Kids don't forget that. That's painful. Yeah, that's painful. Especially from your mom or from a friend from your one. And I think it wasn't a great student, but I wanted to be a good student, but I wasn't a great student. I couldn't understand why I couldn't focus. I could not understand why I struggled in certain classes.

I couldn't understand. I knew to get anywhere in my life with my dreams of playing the NFL. I had to go to college. Yeah. Just bury it and you questioned yourself and my whole life. I just did all that. And I didn't find out about ADHD or ADD until after I tried from football and I just could not, it just had piled up on me.

And I finally started thinking and that something's wrong. And so I spent three days of testing. And they put me on basically ADD medicine. I didn't like that. Yeah. But I did explain, then counseling explains it. And you're like, oh man,

I'm really glad to know I have this because now it explains that. So you're actually relieved when you learned about it. Yeah, it's like, it's like, when I, you, when you learn you've got something that's a negative, you've got to, you've got to find out what's going to, what's the answer to the negative. One, why did I get it? How do I get over it? It's like when I got cancer.

Okay, I got cancer. All right, it can kill me. So what can I do? All right, what caused it? Well, we don't know what caused it. You know, but you get all the information you can get out. So after the AD diagnosis, it was a few years later, that it just kept travel and travel, emotional breakdowns, miserable, sick.

Depression is a sickness, man, listen, I don't wish it on anybody because it comes in this. It's the thief in the night. and so you get ADD and you find out okay this is why I struggled in school you can't focus it's not my fault it's up here they don't cross over and you're going okay but I was good at football I love football

I didn't love algebra no not me either at trigonometry I love but what I loved I was good at So I could you could you could override this something you love something that was fun Yeah, but things I had to things that I wasn't interested in and didn't care Was the struggle and I just could not put my finger on and I knew I had to be good and I you ever done you ever read a You ever read a paragraph and then go? Did I just read it?

Oh, yeah, pages. Read it again, read paragraph again. Yeah. Did I just do this? And read it again. What's it saying? And then go, let me focus. Yeah, that was my whole childhood.

Yeah. And then you go, okay. That was me. You know, I still do that. I'd be on the plane studying for the Fox show. And I'll have to reread this stuff three or four times. Yeah. Because it doesn't lock.

The depression was later. And it was just, I couldn't, depression is triggered by certain things in your life. It could be divorce, could be illness, could be death in your family, whether, everybody goes through it. Some of us, it's there, you know. And then when we had these events in our life, oh, it's devastating. And so I couldn't get the answers. I thought it was, I thought it was the ADD. that was making me miserable.

But I'd been to counseling on that. So I understood the ADD. I was fine with that. You know, one of the reasons I hated doing football games is because I couldn't remember names and numbers. What do you do if you're an announcer in the boot? You got to number 26 just made a great tackle. And you've got to go 26.

What's this name? Yeah, yeah. You should know that. When they put me in the studio, I was the happiest guy in the world. I didn't have to know that. Yeah. Unless I wanted to.

Yeah. So, but the depression thing, you just, then you're sitting there, Lewis, and you're going, golly, I've had this for a long time and never paid any attention. I just thought it was all part of the ADD. And when I, the first signs of it, I didn't know what to do. I was a little, I didn't know who I could talk to. I didn't know. So the first thing I thought, well, my preacher's a good friend.

I'll go talk to my preacher about this. go talk to him. What do you say? And this went on for weeks, me and him talking. He said, this is a little bit more than I can handle. I need to send you to a family counselor, a psychiatrist. I said, okay, so he found a good one for me. So I started seeing her. What does she say? Well, she said, this is a little bug. little blog of everyone yeah ended up with a psychologist and what did what they were they pretty much what the psychiatrist had acknowledged but they uh put me on some medicine which you know I still take to this day but the courteous thing about the depression is that

I went to three years of counseling to understand once again Again, it's three divorces, losing your confidence as a quarter of behavior. I go through all these events in my life where why wasn't I superior? Why wasn't I like here? Why wasn't I like this guy? Why wasn't I like this guy? Why wasn't I like him? Why were not?

Like you've talked to already, supremely competent. Why am I not this? Why do people not? Why am I made fun of? Why is this? I mean, why? Why, why, why? And it drives you friggin' crazy, crazy.

So when I went to see the counselor, that was just like the greatest thing in the world. Because now, you know what I'm doing? I'm dealing with me. I worked on me and understood the depression, understood what triggered. it. Now, sometimes if I'm just tired, if I'm just tired, it comes on naturally. And I'm lucky that my wife was in the other room. She'll see me sitting by myself on the porch and she knows. Here we go. And she'll come out and she'll say, what can I do for you? And sometimes I can talk and sometimes I can't. But it doesn't, she doesn't, you know, it crest and then it goes away. And I, I

I know how to deal with it. And the best way is just talk about it. Yeah. Just fill it out. And that's what's so great about Tammy. Hey, babe, I'm having a hard time with this. And then, you know, you know, the, it's okay to be depressed. It's okay.

All right? That's just the way it is. All right. Depression doesn't steal your personality. Because people will say, well, you're funny. You're always laughing. Well, yeah, it's showtime. I'm on perform.

Yeah, yeah. You know? There have been speeches I've been given, and something will hit me in the middle of the speech in front of hundreds, if not thousands of people, and I'll have to turn my back on the audience, because I'm, well, really? I'm just lost it. Just lost it.

It's bizarre, but it's okay, and I learned that it's okay. it's okay we're going to deal with this and it's okay yeah they're not a bad guy yeah yeah yeah something about i like in your book uh you share a lot of these stories there's a lot of humor in it as well it's called looking for terry i want you guys to check this out but there is a quote at the towards the end that i really like that you address and it says it turned out the key to my success in life was the same as it was on the gridiron when i got here you hit, I got up. And I want to ask you about this, you know, three divorces. Get up. Depression. Get up. Cancer twice in the same year. Same year. Yeah. Having to reinvent yourself, you know,

right. Being the four-time Super Bowl champ, but then retiring, but then getting the Hall of Fame, but then who am, identity shifting, all these different things like depression, divorces, new relationship, divorce, all these different things. It's a roller coaster of emotions. Right. And something you mentioned earlier is, you know, you grew up very Christian in your relationship with God. I'm curious, how has your relationship with your faith with God evolved

through all these different challenges, all the different suffering, the depression, the cancer? Oh, what was I someone that said, God, why me? I'm just curious. Why me? Yeah, what, I never curse God. I've already told you. I, yeah. Why should I not have these problems?

because I'm Terry Brachow, a Fox guy on television, a guy that won Super Bowls. What makes me so better than you or anybody else? I'm not better than anybody. I've accomplished certain things, and I'm proud of that, and I want you to be proud with me, but that doesn't make me better. I'm not better than you.

I would never think that. You may treat me differently because of some of the things I've done. I don't deserve that. I've gone to the front of the line. I did it Sunday after the show because they had ice cream. And there were 20 people in line. I just went right after the front and got ice cream because I'm Terry Bratch. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I had to go and watch a game. And everybody, I know everybody. And they all go, go, go, you know. So I don't, I don't take advantage of that. I never know. I guess my question is, how is your relationship? change evolved with your faith in God through the challenges you personally with God as it shifted as it do you feel stronger do you feel less connected no no I feel definitely stronger

absolutely why is look I well first of all I'm a Christian so I believe that Christ is a savior okay and I've accepted that yeah and I believe that so I'm never going to question that never going to doubt it. You have your faith. I have mine. You asked me. I just told you. Why? When I have had bad things, I've never questioned God. I just actually, I'll open a day up. Lord, thank you for whatever's going to happen to me today, whatever's presented to me a day. It's all good. Yeah. My relationship with God has not changed. It's only gotten better. That's good. Why is that? Why wouldn't it be? I don't question. I don't doubt what happens to me in my life. This is, this is, I believe God created me,

and I believe that he has set a path for me. I think that there, there, there, he presents situations to me. See how I handle them. Most time I don't handle them well. I'm not going to lie to you. I'm not perfect. That's why I have to pray for forgiveness. You can't be nice 100% at a time.

No, you can't be. You go nuts. Yeah. And so my, my faith. is look I'm in the middle of the stretch. I'm getting closer to the end now. When is that? My wife says, shut up. Don't talk like that. But look, when you're 78,

your brain does that for you. Really? You'll see. You will think more about life after death. You'll think more about your relationships. So you'll think about things that you have, you'll ask yourself, Why am I thinking that? And if you'll really sit down and analyze yourself, you'll find out, yeah, I want to make sure,

I want to make sure that everything's in good shakes. My wife runs all our businesses. My wife handles all their money. I want her to know every penny we have, every investment we have, every insurance policy we have, where everything goes, what everything does so that when God calls me home, she doesn't have to go. I got to get attorney. Oh, she already knows. Yeah.

All of that pressure is taken away from her. You know, and I think for anybody out there, make sure your house is in order, you don't want to leave your wife scrambling and, oh, I didn't know that was going to happen. I didn't know this or that. No, everything is there. It's laid out. Wow. But I don't ever question God.

I don't have a problem with cancer. I don't way I looked at it was if I die I'm going to heaven I believe there's a heaven and if I don't die I get to stay with my wife and my family I got three girls yeah

so it's good good I don't want I'm you know I'm not ready to go I mean there's but if I'm called wow you know and I don't know you ever thought about you ever asked yourself okay here I am laying on my death bed and I know I'm dying what are you going to be thinking

What are you going to be thinking? Are you going to be thinking about your wife and your kids? Are you going to be thinking, hey, are you going to be thinking, am I going to heaven? Do I believe in heaven? You're going to be asking yourself questions like that? You know, it's just like, that's some scary stuff. Scary to me. Man, sorry.

No, that's okay. No, yeah, I am. I've got a few final questions. This has been really powerful, Terry. I appreciate you opening up like this. Yes. If you could go over it. back to my age. I'm 43.

Yeah. Knowing everything you know in the last, you know, almost, I guess, 35 years, from 43 to where you are now. Right. If you could give advice to that younger Terry about what's about to happen. What advice would you give you? Oh, you know, why? There's several things I could say to them. Number one, have you reached your full potential? And if you haven't, why? Why? Why? Well, are you doing something in your life that's making you unhappening, but you're being rewarded financially? Is that really something you should continue doing? Interesting. Are you being good?

There's a blessing in life for being good that's overwhelming. I'm a good guy. I know I'm a good guy. I treat people with respect. Everybody I treat with respect. It makes me feel good. Can you say that, you know? Are you happy?

Are you happy? Okay, do the mirror thing. Ask yourself, why am I not happy and be brutally honest? Pursue that journey to happiness. And if you've got the wife and the kids and they'll be happy for you and they'll go on it with you, man, gladly. So those are just four little nothings, really. I can't imagine.

I can't imagine not waking up tomorrow morning, not knowing what I'm doing. That's the exciting thing about life. I've got a plant, you know, and nothing I like more than getting in bed with my wife, snuggling up, and we put on these shows that nobody understands while we watch them. I mean, we watch. I can solve more murder cases. than anybody. I mean, we've watched so many of those shows, and then I've watched shows that she likes that I didn't want to like, but I like. And that's our, and we love, and we've got the

dogs there. I mean, is there anything greater? Now, I can only think of things greater is with, you had kids, and they'd come around and they'd come in, mommy, mommy, daddy, and they'd jump in bed, you know, and, oh, man, there's nothing can take the place for that. Yeah. That is your note. Man, and they reach for you like here, they're fed. Nothing like that, but I just think, I just think people sometimes get

confused that if they have a lot of money, that they'll be happy. And we all know that there's too many billionaires committing suicide. Yeah. So that's not, they're lost. They're lost. They don't have, they have, there's a big difference

between happiness and joy. When you have happiness, it's like, I'm enjoying meeting you today. I'm enjoying doing this. This makes me so happy. But this can be changed by you saying something right now that's not nice. I'm being, you know, cruel or something. You could ask something. You could even make a comment.

Now, I probably wouldn't respond to it. You would know I'm not, but I'd leave here. I would not be happy. Yeah, yeah. But joy, I'm not faced by. Joy, joy is a very, it's flat line. Yeah. It's just nothing bothers joy.

Yeah. It's buried in that soul and it's there forever and it's great. But happiness is like this, man. I mean, the time I leave here and get to where I've got to go next, we may have a flat tire. I am not going to be happy. Right. You know, because I'm going to miss the next engagement,

whatever it is I've got to do. But if you're a total peace with your life and you've got a plan for your life and you're a good person, and you're pursuing your dreams. God bless you, man. That is the best. Don't waste your life. Absolutely.

You know what? I got a couple final questions for you, Terry, but I want people to get your book, looking for Terry. It's a memoir, and it's got a lot of amazing stories and lessons in here. That's going to bring a lot of people,

inspiration, joy, so. And a lot of fun as well. Here's a question I like to ask a lot of people towards the end of our conversation. We talked about you going back and giving advice to your younger self. Right. If you could go to the future,

to the last day. Imagine hypothetically you get to live as long as you want. Okay. As long as you want, you get to stay on this earth, but it's the last day. I know it's the last day? Yeah, you know it's the last day. God's calling you home. This is your last day, Terry.

It can be as long in the future as you want. Yeah. But on the last day, for whatever reason, you have to take all of your work with you. It means this book has to go with you, this conversation. Anything that's ever been said by you on TV. Oh, boy. We don't have access to it anymore. Would you get this?

It's a hypothetical. Yeah. But on the last day, God says you get to leave behind three lessons to the world, three truths. For you, what would be those three truths that you would leave behind, those three lessons? Three truths. Wow. That's really good question. How am I going to answer that question?

It can be as simple as you want. It can be anything. I'm kind of a touchstone probably most of them already. But if you could boy, kind of. three things be kinded be kind well be kind you you'll you'll get so much more out of life so many more rewards have come as your kind um second thing i was going to say don't write this down don't trust the politicians but which hey yeah if it's your truth yeah yeah but be kind love. True love. That's, as we well know, that's the good, the bad, the ugly. Find true love. Be kind.

I hope you find true love. There's so many things I could say. This one just came to me about you're not as good as people say you are and you're certainly not as bad. Trust yourself. I would also put faith in there, but that's going to be a give then God's calling me home. Mm. Yeah. Those are beautiful. I love those. Okay, two final questions for it, because I know we've got to get you out to your next meeting.

What's got? What's the one question you wish people would ask you? That they don't ask. The one question. You said at the beginning. I know. You wish there was a question that I would. No, you got me.

So what's the one question you wish people would ask that they don't ask about you? You know why I enjoyed this interview with you? Number one, I like you. Appreciate it. Number two, your questions are really good. Thanks. You kept us on a path. And you're making me think.

That's good. The one question I wish people would ask me, why do you think people like you on television? Or do they? Why should I believe anything you're saying? Where's all this coming from? That's a higher question. Yeah, yeah.

You ask that to everybody because you should. Yeah. No, I don't, you know, for me, you said at the beginning, if there was a question you asked me, if I'd never been asked before, yeah, this would be a valuable conversation. So I didn't know if there was a question that you feel like people always ask you about Super Bowls and your thoughts on football and this and that. But it's like, what do you really care about?

What is about you that you wish people were interested in you different than the character, the persona, the success, the accomplishments, the. Yeah, I, God. Hollywood Walk of Fame, you know, the Hall of Fame, all these things. Things you don't, things you don't deserve. I mean, um. What's your greatest fear moving forward? My biggest fear?

Yeah, knowing that. My biggest fear, I think my biggest fear, if I have a fear, is not being able to work at Fox NFL Sunday. Really? We've been your home for so long now, right? It is my life. It's all I've ever done. It's why I, listen, you get up and go to work.

Are you happy to see? You can't wait to get to work. Are you that thrilled? That's why I am. Yeah, yeah. Can you imagine going to work on Sunday with Strahan, Howie Long, Grankowski, Kurt Meneffey, and talk football? And to 6 million viewers out there, the number one rated show every year for the last 32 years. No.

And have fun and enjoy and never get upset, never get. never get jealous you're pulling for everybody yeah yeah yeah you make a nice living and you watch football all day it's a good gig and they bring food in for you and they say what do you want for lunch yeah what I want for lunch oh my God what a great question

you know I mean and your bosses walk in and they're smiling and hey how you doing great to I mean really I don't have that anymore if I have a fear that that would be it Who would you be without that show if it ended? Okay, here's already planned it out.

I have a lifetime contract speaking for Washington Speakersboro. So I asked the question, my life or yours? It's important, right? So I've been a motivation, well, I'm a humorous. They call me a humorous now. But I've been speaking professionally for over 40-something years. And I do love it. I love being on stage.

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love getting in the crowd. I don't care if it's 10,000. I don't care what it is. I absolutely eat it up. It is.

Man, my wife say, how you do you good? Yeah, yeah. What are you going to start the show? And when I'm getting ready to make a speech, I start two or three days ahead of time. And nobody knows this, but I'm writing. Yeah. Or I'm thinking, you know, I've been writing for,

all those years. I don't write it down. I write it here. And I place it and I say, okay, where am I going? I'm going to do this. Then something's always going to leave. Something's always going to come to me.

Okay, I'm going to go. That's moment. I remember this is, to me it's funny. It may be a year's fun. So Tammy gives me this, I heard this saying on television by this bass singer. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful barbado.

Oh. And he had this saying before he sung. And come devil, come, and crashing with the, and the horses came down, and lightning and thunder. It's a beautiful base. And I'm like, go, he is like, ooh, get chills. It's just gorgeous. He paints this picture of Jesus and coming down on the horse.

And it's like, wow, and the thunder. And then he sings this song. And he has this saying. And he does this saying. I went, oh my gosh, that saying is amazing. But it's on TV. I want to hear it again. So I tell Tammy, this guy just said this.

Here's the show he's on. Can we get this? I need the copy of this. Can I get this? A few weeks later, she comes in and she goes, here it is. She got it for me. So I get this saying, and I decide that during my speeches,

I talk a lot about, I have a lot of fun. I talk about business. I talk about goals. All the things the speaker are supposed to do, but I tell stories and tie it all together and personalize and so on and so forth. Then I'll take a break somewhere or somewhere, and then this comes. I'll take a pause and I'll say,

it's in the quiet crucible of your personal private suffering that your noblest deems are born and God's greatest gifts are given to you and compensation for what you've been through. Wow. They are a quiet crucible. I had to look that up, but didn't know what it was.

Trials and your quiet trials of your personal private suffering. Your noblest dreams are born. God's greatest gifts. So it's while you're struggling that you're thinking, how am I going to get, how I'm going to get out of this?

I'm in a hole, you know, but I don't. don't give up, I keep clawing, I get getting, I got things to do, places to go. So I'm down, but I'm not out, and I crawled to the top, and God blesses me for not giving up. And that's perfect. So, first time I'm going to use that, you're ready for this? Boy, I'm shelling down the corn. I'm getting a speech. I have sweats, boy, I'm getting it to it. And I stand back, and I take a deep breath. When I was mad.

It's in your quietness of stuff that you're doing. You forget. Wow. I forgot. And I made up this saying. And I'm like, oh, my God. What did I do? So the next speech I give, I take my pause.

And I've gone over it. I'm going over it. And I go, yeah. It's in the quiet. times when we most think about, oh, if I just did it again, I am so mad. But I get through it. They don't know that I, yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't know what I'm doing.

And then finally, finally, I got it. Your reverie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great. My final question is, what's your definition of greatness? Well, let me ask you this. Is it really that important? Is it?

I mean, greatness. Is it really important? Why not just say what's your greatest happiness? Why greatness? That means I got to accomplish something. When I hear great, automatically say, think to myself, great, what makes this so great? Oh, because they accomplish so much. You don't think somebody else is going to accomplish more?

Yeah, yeah. Why is it got to be great? Is he the greatest quarterback that ever played in his decade? Yeah. Is he the greatest running back? Yeah. But we spend all our time in America looking for who's the best. We spend all our time in America who's number one.

I already told you Fox NFL Sunday, number one. Proud of that. But America loves its winners and it loves to put them on a pedestal and idolize them. only later they may disappoint us, but something they've done, okay, but something they've done, be it morally or whatever. So I don't really go by what is greatness.

You can look it up and say that you do things better than anybody else or this person has. Okay, and you go, oh, that's great. Many times when you watch television in a sporting event, great, great, great, great, great. It's overused, great. You know, it's just overused. I never, for, I don't know that I've ever been called great.

I've been called an icon. Yeah, I don't even know what that is. But great, I don't know, is great really that important? Is it? Maybe to you, maybe to our viewers out there where though, well, wait a minute, he's the greatest bowler ever. Mickey Mantle was the first guy to make $100,000. He was great because he had honed. run runs and stole da-da-da-da-da now people are making millions that so he's not great well he was in

so I just am not big on great yeah that's okay I never have been that's okay I never have been big on great because something's always going to be better sure yeah always and something about great's going to be a disappointment yeah look look I I can sit here and start naming people that people call great and I can point out something about them that's not so great. Maybe you don't know it. But then that wouldn't be the right thing to do. Yeah. But I just don't live with great. Yeah. I mean, my definition has evolved over the years. I think earlier when I was younger, it was about being the best. And now, best. And now it's about pursuing your goals and your dreams. Right. And in that pursuit, making the maximum impact on the

people around you. Yeah. For me, that's more my definition now, rather than, you. And in that, you, you're then are you number one? Listen, the greatest impact you can have on people is being nice to them. Yeah. Of all the things you do and accomplish in your life, the best thing you're ever going to feel good about is the fact that you are nice to people.

Yeah. And we live in a world today that's not nice. We live in a society in this country, which is not nice. We're mean, we're hateful, we're bitter, we're immoral. I mean, in America today, all right? what's wrong with being nice? You realize

what do they always say you kill more whatever? Flies with honey? Kindness, sweetness. I mean, don't fight fire with fire. You know, it's it works. Maybe that's great. Try it.

Maybe that's greatness. Maybe that's greatness. Being nice. If that's what you want to call it. Yeah. Because, I mean, I can use the word great, easy. But I just am not impressed with great. You know, I've met some of the, I've met some of the most, I've met some of the most famous people in the world.

And they are so nice, which makes me just love them and like them even more. And I met some that are not nice. And I can't stand them. I don't care what they do. And if you, if you gave, let me tell you. If I had Elon must as money, for instance. If I was almost a trillionaire, I wouldn't be a trillionaire. You know why?

Because I'd take $500 billion and I'd feed the hungry. Or I'd shelter the homeless. Or I'd take care of the homeless kids or the battered women. There's so much good you can do other than building monuments to yourself. Makes no sense to me. Where's the joy in that? More people will say wonderful things about you, the more you do for man and what can you say mankind or humankind because you can't eliminate the

women humanity humanity there you go humanity yeah don't you agree 100% i think about it all the time godly i wish i had that kind of money yeah man look what i would do i would oh be brachell city brachell city i'd have feeding people golly what a who i'm like that's cool yeah yeah you know give it hope to people mm-hmm people that are down and out on their luck and and just giving them hope. Boy, there's nothing more powerful than hope. Man, I can get out of this. You mean I can get out of this?

Of course you can. Of course you can. That's wonderful. Well, I think it was a great answer. I mean, it doesn't have to be about greatness, but about kindness. Yeah, which is more powerful. Yeah, it is.

Yeah. Terry, I appreciate it very much. Thanks for being here. Thanks for everything. Lewis, a pleasure. I hope we get to come back. Of course, yeah. I'll have another book.

Or I can just come back and we can just shoot the breeze. I love it. Yeah, I love it. Thanks. Right. My friend, I hope. you're enjoying this episode right now because we are on a mission to impact 100 million lives

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