The School of Greatness - If You Struggle With Anxiety, This Mind Trick Will Change Your Life w/ Mel Robbins EP 1379

Episode Date: January 16, 2023

https://lewishowes.com/achieve - Join my FREE upcoming Webinar, "4 Keys to Overcome Your Fears and Achieve Your Biggest Goals!"Mel Robbins became one of the most trusted experts in the world on confidence and motivation the hard way: by first screwing up her own life. A New York Times Bestselling author and self-publishing phenom, Mel’s work includes The High 5 Habit, The 5 Second Rule, and the #1 ranking The Mel Robbins Podcast. As one of the most widely booked and followed podcast hosts and authors in the world, she’s sought after by the world’s leading brands and medical professionals for her research-backed tools and motivation. In this episode you will learn, The usefulness of anxiety and where it stems from. The starting point to improving your mental health. How loving yourself starts with connecting to your body. The main differences between happy and unhappy people. For more, go to lewishowes.com/1379Check out Mel’s past episodes!Stop Sabotaging Your Relationships & Do This Instead: https://link.chtbl.com/1337-podThe High 5 Habit & The Secret To Motivation: https://link.chtbl.com/1170-podThe “Secret” Mindset Habit to Building Confidence and Overcoming Scarcity: https://link.chtbl.com/970-pod

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and what's missing is a feeling of safety. And so when you reframe it as a way to let love in, you start to... Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin. We talked about a little bit about stress and relationships in the previous episode,

but I think a lot of people just are faced with more and more anxiety. Even, you know, two years after the pandemic, it's still kind of happening, but people don't know how to rebound after this. They don't know how to get into a place of healing their nervous system and healthy heart and mind connection. So there's still a lot of anxiety and stress. Now with the economy looking like it's going to a big recession and everyone's talking about the housing market crashing in the next year and stock market keeps crashing and just all these things in life are crashing. You're making me feel anxious right now. Shut up. This is why I don't watch the news. I don't watch the news either. Because I want to be informed, but I don't want to be entertained

psychologically that hell is breaking loose every moment of every day. But I think a lot of people are caught in that loop of stress and anxiety. What is the greatest strategies you've discovered in the last couple of years of managing stress, overcoming it, facing it, that some people can start to learn how to implement as well? Okay. So I happen to be, in my opinion, one of the world's leading experts on anxiety because I struggled with it for a long time. And a couple of our kids have had profound bouts with anxiety.

And I learned things the hard way. And so everything I'm about to share is not medical advice. is life tested wisdom from having to dig myself out of mental holes and messes thanks to what used to be very chronic anxiety. So first let me explain what anxiety is. It is an alarm in your body that is designed to agitate you. That's all that anxiety is. It's an alarm in your body that is designed to agitate you, to wake you up, because that alarm wants to get your attention so that you can focus on giving yourself what you need in that moment. Okay. I also want to preface what I'm about to

teach everybody and to share with you by saying that a lot of this I have learned recently. And one of my favorite experts on this subject is somebody you should bring on the show. His name is Dr. Russ Kennedy. He wrote a book called Anxiety Rx. And I have for the past two years been in talk therapy and I have been in guided nervous system therapy like the EMDR. I have also done some of the psychedelic modalities in a therapeutic setting, MDMA and ketamine, in terms of my own nervous system. And I've also started adding cold exposure. You're trying it all. I'm trying it all. Whatever it takes. Because I am so sick of living inside a body

that feels on edge all the time. Yeah, it's not. And I'm tired of having a mind that basically is on a constant campaign for what's wrong. So I made a decision that I was going to jump all into this space two years ago. So weekly therapy, EMDR, the ice cold exposure, which is learning how to tolerate basically fight or flight and calm yourself through breathing and through the exposure. I have done the guided psychedelic stuff in terms of smoothing out my nervous system and learning how to truly, I guess, heal and reprogram my body as it relates to past trauma. And I've done traditional talk therapy. And so from Dr. Russ Kennedy, one of the things that I learned recently that is just amazing is that all anxiety comes from one source. What's that? It is when your original

alarm went off as a child, and you probably don't even remember because it happens even in moments where you're non-verbal it's a moment of separation from parent so the original alarm that you felt because that's all that anxiety is anxiety is an alarm that's designed to wake your up okay because you need something so if you and I are driving down the street, Lewis, and all of a sudden a car swerves in our lane, you will feel a wave of adrenaline and anxiety. That alarm goes off to get you to wake the up and turn the car to be on alert. Yes. But when that car is no longer in our lane, the alarm disappears. So for people with generalized anxiety, or you feel like you're in a

chronic state, what's happening is you have an alarm going off in the background all the time. That seems exhausting. It is exhausting. And so what's happened for the majority of the population in the past two years, because we are not designed to live with that much sustained uncertainty is that you right now, I personally believe every human being, unless you are in therapy attacking this, or you have a massive meditation practice, I believe every single human being right now has their alarm turned on internally. Because for months on end, it was sustained uncertainty in the news and a brand new experience with the lockdown. And so of course you went into an alarm state.

In fact, for those of you that are working in an office where you're still on Zoom calls from seven in the morning till seven at night, that is a company whose culture is in an alarm state, right? Everything's an emergency. Everything is on fire. Everything is constantly changing. And so what I've learned is this. And so that original source is separation, okay? Separation meaning you have an experience as a child where you feel separate from the adult and the love that you needed. There is a situation that makes you feel nervous and then you feel like your parent is not reassuring you. That's how it begins. This is what I learned from Dr. Kennedy that has changed my freaking life. This

is actually what our episode is about, the fourth episode. It's like two hours long. We unpack the whole thing. It's just one mind-blowing thing after another. So I, for years, Lewis, chronic anxiety, I would attack it in my thoughts. I would interrupt thoughts. I would reprogram thoughts. And it works. It works to attack the worries. But it doesn't get to the source. So it's limited. It's like a surface level. It's part of the toolkit. Yeah, it's part of the toolkit, right? And so, you know, I'd get worried about something. I'd be like, five, four, three, two, one. And then I'd think about something else. Or I'd reprogram it and I'd come back. But of course it comes back because

you will always have moments in your daily life that give you a wave of alarm. And by the way, anxiety is not just like feeling on edge. Anxiety is anger. Anxiety can be withdrawal. Anxiety can be any friction in your body. It manifests differently for different people. And so it's like when you go from a state of peace and calm to a state of being in hyper alert

That's what anxiety is and it's this alarm. That's like whoa. Whoa pay attention now most of us are afraid of it or we don't like it and so we try to ignore it by drinking or ignore it by being busy or Suppress it by just the people but it's like this alarm in you that something's up, something's up, something's up. Like I don't like that. Like something is trying to wake your up. So what does chronic anxiety feel like? It feels like having, it feels like you're a car that's at a intersection and the light goes green and your feet are on the gas and the brakes simultaneously. Oh, man.

So like you're revved inside. For anybody that has childhood trauma, it can be an experience, Lewis, and I'm sure you can relate to this, of like being on edge waiting for the next shoe to drop. Having your thoughts be five or six steps ahead, never being in the room that you're in because you're thinking about what's next. It's very, very common to have very few memories from childhood or from your 20s or your 30s if you have chronic anxiety or you have some sort of trauma that you haven't addressed because if you're constantly on what's next, anticipating what's coming, you're never in the room where you are to make those memories. And also when your nervous system is in a state of alert, the cognitive functioning of your brain

is impaired. And so you're busy looking for what could be wrong. And you might be thinking about the meeting with your boss tomorrow instead of being in the room that you're in. Right. And you might be thinking about the meeting with your boss tomorrow instead of being in the room that you're in. Yeah, and it's really hard to create from a stress state. You can't. It's very challenging to be creative and flow from stress. Yes, yes. Now look, it's challenging because it also fuels busyness and drive.

And like being worried about something can be very motivating. And so it was for a very long time hardwired into my success. And it kept getting rewarded and rewarded and rewarded. Because you're getting results. Yes. In the external world.

But in the internal world, you're still feeling anxious and stressed. Always. That's why it's never enough. Because I'm not even here to enjoy this conversation. I'm already thinking about the thing I need to do at two o'clock. I mean, I'm currently not doing that, but that was my lived reality for a long time due to childhood trauma, due to these feelings of being separate. And so here's the huge aha moment. So number one, anxiety is an alarm.

moment. So number one, anxiety is an alarm. Number two, your anxiety is from a moment where you feel separate. Okay. You could feel separate from yourself. You could be walking into a huge presentation at a venture capital firm and you feel separate from the people that are now going to watch the presentation. So you start to feel that wave and that on edge, that alarm go off, right? And the alarm is designed to get you to wake up because you need something in that moment. Here's the kicker. I always thought that anxiety was about what's wrong. Okay. Anxiety is the little Lewis saying, hey, I need a little reassurance right now. Hey, I need a little love right now.

That's all that it is. And when you can teach yourself in moments where the alarm goes off, Lewis, to not race up to your head and start negotiating, it's going to be fine. These venture capital people are going to love you. That helps on some level to be like, no, I'm excited to do this. I got this, to coach yourself through it. But if you really want to transform your experience of life, go from the shoulders down. Notice that there's an alarm going off. Then I want you to realize it's the little you saying, I feel a little nervous right now. Could you just tell me I'm going to be okay? And I've gotten to the point where I can just put my hand right here, And I've gotten to the point where I can just put my hand right here, find the spot that feels right for you, and literally give yourself a little love, as stupid as that sounds.

And that alarm goes off. Yeah. It's freaking nuts. It's learning how to parent yourself, the wounded child inside of you, you being the adult in the room. It is. The wounded child inside of you, you being the adult in the room. It is. And the big game changer, though, is that it's about needing love from yourself. Because if you're experiencing anxiety, you are not, you're also blocking yourself from love and from assurance and from the shit that you need and you might not have gotten

as a kid. What happens if you put your need to be loved on someone or something else? Then you lose control of it. Because it's always depending on, do they accept me? Do they like me? Do they invest in me? Do they hire me? Yeah, do they invest in me?

Do they hire me? How do I do? Like, is my podcast rating high? Like, every day you are going to experience moments where that alarm goes off. Because every single day in life, there is something that will trigger insecurity or feeling separate. One example I can give you that's really simple is I was invited to a little party in my new community. And it may be odd to people to hear this, but even though I'm extroverted, I still get nervous when I walk into

any kind of networking meeting or any kind of room with a lot of people in it where I'm going to have to introduce myself. There is an experience of feeling separate from everybody. And so even walking into a small gathering at somebody's house where I know everybody, the point of which is for me to get to know people better, walking in, I could feel the alarm going off. And having just learned what I learned, I was like, oh, that's interesting. I'm feeling this noticeable separation. And all I need to do is be like, oh, you got this. Like, it's okay that you feel a little nervous. You can take a breath. You can walk in there when you're ready. It's going to be good. Like giving myself exactly what I needed, which was a little

love and reassurance. It completely went away. Right. It's powerful. It's really powerful. Because I think most of us that experience waves of anxiety hate it. I hate it. I'm like, I hate this. Like, get rid of this. Why do I have to be out? I'm going to have anxiety forever. And the truth is that when I, yes, you need talk therapy. Yes, you need to use the five second rule and interrupt the habit of worrying. And yes, you need to reprogram a different way of talking to yourself. And yes, you need to go and high five the mirror, which by the way is also neck up because you're taking a physical action that then triggers new programming up here. But it all begins with an alarm in the body.

So if you want to heal this, you have to start to go neck down. You need to start to learn how to, in those moments, not be annoyed or scared of the alarm, but to actually turn toward it. So that's number one. Go toward the alarm. Know that it's a call from the little you needing a moment of reassurance or love. And you'll start to spot it all the time now and not needing the reassurance from others No yourself from yourself because if you only rely on others and they don't give it to you when you need it You're gonna feel anxious. Yeah. Well think about this if I were to start to cry

Right now and tell you that I'm super anxious and something's happened and no no no no, no, what would you do? I would support you and come for you and give you a hug. Yes. And how is that? That would make me feel amazing. But we don't do it to ourselves. Well, if you're alone and you don't have that person with you, how do you handle it on your own? You hug yourself. Literally take a towel and go like this. It feels like a freaking hug. Put your hands on your heart and take a couple deep breaths and tell yourself what you would tell somebody else. And the alarm disappears because it's not trying to tell you that something's wrong. The alarm of anxiety is telling you that there is

something missing right now for you. And what's missing is a feeling of safety and a feeling of like deep connection with self. That's all that's missing. And so when you reframe it as a way to let love in and that it is a way to let love in from yourself, you start to change the way that your body experiences moments that trigger you from childhood. And so like, I think so much of what I am trying to put out into the world is this notion that everything needs to start with addressing these feelings that we have. Like for me, you want to change your life, there is a very simple formula that's not easy to do. You need to take action before you feel like it. You need to take the actions

that the person that has what you really want and deserve in your life, you need to take the same type of actions before you feel like that person. You must act first, that's how you change when it comes to healing your body and when it comes to anxiety you have to instead of running away from it or numbing it because the anxiety feeling is triggering you to grab the alcohol it's triggering you to get very busy and start running errands or to, or it's triggering you to turn on the TV or hit the vape pen or hit the joint or whatever. And that feeling could be boredom. It could be a sense of overwhelm. It could be insecurity. Like, cause think about what happens. Let's take the example of you're dating

and somebody hasn't texted you in a day. They left you on read, you know, like you start to get that wave. The alarm goes off because what do you need? You need some love and reassurance. But what we do instead is, you know, you, you see that you're still on read and you grab the vape pen. That is you dealing with your anxiety in a destructive way. What do you do? You like start scrolling through social media, which makes you insecure. That is you trying to distract yourself or numb or whatever this this this uncomfortable feeling that you don't know how to deal with. When really that feeling requires one action. Love. Love from self.

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biologically speaking from zero to 18, like you're not in charge, right? Your body, the hormones, your survival dude is based on your parents. If you want to eat, if you want to, like you are hardwired to bond with them. And so this is who you're learning from for better or for worse. And most of us learned that, you know, if mom's not happy, I'm not supposed to be happy. If dad's mad, then I've done something wrong. We do not have within us as children, the ability to look at the adults around us and be like, well, they're up and boy, you know,

dad must've had a bad day at work. We go, something's wrong with me that they're not home when I get home. Something's wrong with me that she's giving me the silent treatment. What have I done? And so we are trained as kids for better or for worse that love is conditional, that if we please other people, we get more of it. If we perform and make other people happy, we get more of it. And so we don't learn that that's not how people act. And we don't learn how to truly love ourselves

through these ups and downs of lives because our parents weren't taught how to do this for themselves. I mean, if you want to like, instead of blaming your parents, look at your grandparents. Right. And great grandparents. And great grandparents. It's just been passed down. Because they're just passing down what they had to put up with. I always find it really interesting that every generation, for example, let's take a non-anxiety, non-relationship, non-family example. Every single generation disrupts the way we work

and disrupts what we think about work. If you you go back to the 1900s, when you would die working in a factory, most people that worked in factories under those conditions were like, well, I survived it. Why do we need safety protocols? Right? Working in the coal mines. Yes. And like, and like literally is an upgrade. Now people are like, why do I need to be in an office? Well, we were in an office. It's better for coal. Is it better? I don't know. And so I feel, too, that we are the first generation to talk openly about mental health. I mean, when I was in high school, you were a freak if you had anxiety, which I was, by the way. But you can't talk about it. No, there was no self-help section in the bookstore.

Do you know what kind of a loser went in there? There was no self-help section in the bookstore. Do you know what kind of a loser went in there? The amount of tools that are available, the self-awareness, the research, the awakening, the fact that people are starting to connect the dots that mental health is everything. Because if you're not a happy person, you will take that into work. And your relationships. And your relationships.

And on your kids. And this. And that. And the other thing. And you're going to make your own life miserable. And so I feel like a lot of the things that we're talking about, it's actually very exciting because we didn't have these. Yes. People didn't talk openly about this. You know, my mom said something pretty profound the other day. She was kind of like, we were talking about something I remember and she goes, you know, I often wonder if I don't have, if I've never experienced anxiety because I won't allow myself to. Well, so used to it now, right? Yeah. Or she's like, there's so much stuff that went down in my past that I don't,

why would I want to unpack that? Right. It's scary to look at. Yes. It's hard. Yes. Painful. Yes. But I admire like this generation that, you know, is like the 20 somethings now. My kid, my 17 year old son, you know what, one of the best parts of his life is this freaking therapist. Wow. Why? Because he loves, I said, why do you like Keith so much? He's like, because I like talking to adults and I like having somebody other than you or dad to unpack this stuff with. It makes you feel a little bit better. It makes you process it. Well, I think it's, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like more than ever now this

generation has tools and the freedom without shame to talk about these things. And also on the other side, extreme, you know, it seems like more kids than ever are vaping, doing drugs, alcohol, having sex younger and younger, connected their phones nonstop, not, you know, allowing themselves to really process. They're still using other things to mask the anxiety. Well, because as pressure to get into the right school, to make money, to be an influencer, to figure out your life by the time you're 21, is all that pressure or perceived pressure increases.

So does your stress and anxiety. And as stress and anxiety increases, if you don't have the resources, tools, the support, so will your coping negative habits. Scrolling through social media, by the way, is something people do when they feel anxious. Why? Because they're using what's on their phone to distract themselves from the uncomfortable feelings in their body. But the irony is it usually just makes you more anxious to see other people's seemingly perfect life. What else do people do? They do all the things you're talking about. They vape, they procrastinate, they drink, they buy that they don't need, they play sports bets, they watch porn. All these things are ways to escape uncomfortable feelings in your body. They overeat.

They, you know, like all of it. And so when you understand that at its core, anxiety is an alarm that is hardwired in your body to make you wake up. And what it's asking you to do is to give yourself a little bit of love and reassurance right now. I know you're sitting in a dorm room. I know you think you have no friends and everybody here already has their friend group and you're the loser, but you know what? You're not. It's gotta be okay. You don't need to hit the pen you can you can literally tolerate that feeling of feeling alone if you know that what that discomfort's about is really a need for love and connection so give that

to yourself in that moment that's it learning to love yourself has been the next thing yeah how how can someone start to learn how to love themselves if they never felt like they got it from their parents the way they needed it? How can they learn when they've always been on high alert, stressed, anxious, separate from the love they've always wanted? Okay, so there's two different things you need to do. First of all, you've got to get serious about the body. You have two nervous systems, sympathetic and parasympathetic. I think about it like the wiring in your wall. So Lewis has these light bulbs behind us, right? What's fueling that? Electricity.

There's wiring in there. If we were to flip the switch off, the wiring would still be there. What's happening when you feel stressed out or you have unresolved trauma or you've just lived through a pandemic and you have not turned the light off is that the light's on. What we need to do as a society is find the switch and flip it off. And so the way you do that is going into your body. There's a bazillion different things that you can do. You can do cold exposure. You can meditate. You can do breathing exercises. You can start doing the high five in the mirror as part of your morning routine. You can give your heart a high five where you just place your hands right here in the center of your body and you tone what's called the vagus nerve. And the vagus nerve is the on-off switch. And so when you Google vagus nerve and do those exercises as part of your day-to-day life, going outside for a walk for 10 minutes is another way to literally get back into your body and to

find the switch and turn the light off. Because you've got to understand that when the lights are on, the sympathetic nervous system, fight or or flight you're stressed out when the light is off you've now access peace you're in the moment you don't feel that stressed out so body body body body body that's number one number two even if it was never modeled for you you know what you want so get out a piece of paper and make a list of all the things that you wish somebody who loved you would do. Like there's this fascinating study, Lewis, about happy people. You know the difference between happy people and people who aren't happy? Tell me. Happy people tend to spend more time doing things that make them happy.

Right. Activities that they enjoy. Yeah. And we so underestimate the little things you can do. Because just a small uptick in your mood actually makes you feel a little better. I'm not suggesting that if your best friend just got killed in a car crash, going for a walk is going to fix it. But it might for a minute help you clear your mind. Like for me, if I'm having a bad day, I do one of two things.

I either buy myself flowers and I'm not talking like a hundred dollar arrangement. I go to Trader Joe's, $2 for 10 to F and L's. I love Trader Joe's, right? Flowers make me smile. And then I have a bud vase right by the kitchen sink. And I always put one of the flowers right there because it makes me happy. I don't know why, but it just does. For just a minute, I see something beautiful and it allows me to escape whatever's making me sad. Okay. Or I go to Netflix and I turn on one of the standup comedy specials because I just, just to try to get somebody to make me laugh. And it always makes me feel slightly better. And if you can feel slightly better today, you can feel slightly better

tomorrow. And these things start to build. And over time, that little uptick starts to become a new default. And so I think the same is true with love. Love is a verb. It's an action. think the same is true with love. Love is a verb. It's an action. So what are the actions that you believe a loving person would take if somebody really loved you and it wasn't modeled for you? And so when you start to make that list, there's your map. Pick one thing a day. And it might be, you know, I high five the mirror as part of my morning routine as an act of love. I make my bed every morning as an act of love. I don't lay in bed and think about my problems as an act of love. I always have an amazing cup of coffee as an act of love. And, you know, oddly enough, if I'm up first, I make coffee for the person I love, Chris.

And, you know, oddly enough, if I'm up first, I make coffee for the person I love, Chris. And Chris does the same for me. And so just because it wasn't modeled doesn't mean you can't create a map for yourself. And so think about it. What would you want somebody to do? And then look around and who seems to have that in their life and what are the behaviors that you're seeing. And then the million dollar thing you got to do. Do not wait to feel like doing it. You have to take that action first.

Because the action is what proves that you love yourself. If you sit around and think about it, you're going to talk yourself out of it. And the fact that you're not doing anything, you're not taking action. Like if you make a list and you're like, oh, they would buy me flowers. They would compliment me. They would give me a high five. They would buy me dinner. And you don't do it for yourself. You know what that shows you? I hate myself because a person that loves me would do these things. And I'm not doing that. So your own action demonstrates that you don't love yourself. It's powerful stuff, Mel.

I'm so grateful for you for coming back on and sharing this wisdom. If people want more, they can go to the Mel Robbins podcast. Yeah, you know why I named it that? Tell me. Because when you Google Mel Robbins, it's the third thing that people say. There you go. There you go. go it's great mel robbins podcast they can get it over on apple podcast spotify everywhere they want to listen to it you have an amazing format where you're really diving in you're answering questions you're you're telling like a whole story throughout your show oh it's

personal dude it is so personal it's powerful. So make sure you guys go subscribe there, follow, leave a review. Actually, episode number two, which is called episode number three, which is all motivation about hacking motivation. I talk extensively about my past with anxiety. And episode number four, which we have yet to title, is a two-hour interview with Dr. Russ Kennedy, who you need to have on the show. And that literally will make you realize everything that you think about anxiety is probably wrong. And that there are incredibly accessible, simple, game-changing tools. And you know why I like him? Dr. Kennedy is not only a medical doctor that treats anxiety, he's also got a degree in

neuroscience. I love that. And he started treats anxiety, he's also got a degree in neuroscience. I love that. And he started experiencing anxiety when he was in medical school. And so he has personal experience having grown up with a bipolar father. I love that. And he treats people. He has written this incredible book about it. His tools are all about, what's it called?

Somatic therapy. Somatic healing. Yeah. And he gets the brain. He gets the body body he wraps it all in one package credible you gotta get him on Mel appreciate you acknowledge you for how you keep showing up for yourself for your relationship for your life for your community it's beautiful to witness that you know even though you've been extremely successful in different seasons of your life and you continue to succeed,

you make a priority right now on your emotional, mental health as a focus so that you can keep going to the next level. So I really acknowledge you for how you show up. And I know you've been wanting to do the podcast for a while. So you acting on it is an act of self-love. It is, it is. It's beautiful. You know what else, Lewis?

If people were to go back and they were to look at our first interview five years ago what they would witness are two totally different human beings energetically yeah because you and i have for the past two years been working at profound levels on our healing from the inside out, especially in the body, especially in the nervous system, especially related to past trauma. And I would bet, I don't know this to be true, but I would bet that if you did a side by side, you would see, I'd probably have a flushed face. I'd probably be more jittery and around and animated and this and that. I mean, I'm pretty animated, but there is, and the same with you. There is a groundedness

that we have both accessed from the tools that you're sharing on your podcast that I'm now sharing on mine and that you and I have been deeply, profoundly invested in exploring these past two years. Yeah, it's beautiful. Now you're more in peace. Oh, I'm totally. It's beautiful. Mel, appreciate you.

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