The School of Greatness - Matthew McConaughey’s 6 Truths To Get What You Want In Life EP 1422

Episode Date: April 12, 2023

https://lewishowes.com/mindset - Order a copy of my new book The Greatness Mindset today!https://www.lhlivin.com - Sign up for Matthew McConaguhey's free Live event - The Art Of Livin’, Monday April 24th, 2023 at 10am PT.In this very special episode, Lewis meets Matthew McConaughey to discuss life, love, his prolific acting career, and his new project – The Art Of Livin’.This isn't your ordinary Matthew McConaughey experience. It’s not a movie, it’s not a book tour, it’s not an interview (or anything in between). After the success of his book “Greenlights”, McConaughey was inundated with people asking him to go even deeper into the Greenlight method. They wanted to know more about how you recognize and respond to green, yellow and red lights as you navigate life’s highway. McConaughey doesn’t claim to get it all right, to be making straight A’s in all areas of his life. But, he has figured out a thing or two about the art of livin’.In this episode you will learn,The micro actions to get more of what you want in lifeHow to not only love yourself more, but emote selfless love in the worldHow to find joy in the past, present and futureThe currency of less is more vs. more is moreFor more information go to www.lewishowes.com/1422Listen to Matthew’s previous episode

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If you haven't got a copy yet, you'll learn how to build a plan for greatness through powerful exercises and toolkits designed to propel your life forward. This is the book I wish I had when I was 20, struggling, trying to figure out life. 10 years ago, at 30, trying to figure out life 10 years ago at 30 trying to figure out transitions in my life and the book I'm glad I have today for myself. Make sure to get a copy at lewishouse.com slash 2023 mindset to get your copy today. Again, lewishouse.com slash 2023 mindset to get a copy today. Also, the book is on Audible now, so you can get it on audiobook as well. And don't forget to follow the show so you never miss an episode. Before you were ever an actor, before, what are you? What were you? Before you were McConaughey, before you were Texan, before you were an American, before you were an actor, before you were a movie

star. That's when I was like, okay, what other truth do we know, McConaughey? Tell you what another truth I'm realizing right now is that... Welcome to the School of Greatness. My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin. Hey everyone, I am so excited for today's episode. We have the inspiring and iconic Matthew McConaughey, like you've never seen him before.

But before we dive in, he is giving a live virtual free event called The Art of Living on Monday, April 24th at 10 a.m. Pacific. To sign up for free right now, you can go to L-H-L-I-V-I-N.com. We'll put the link below for you to check it out and register. But it's going to be a full day with Matthew McConaughey live virtually. But before then, let's dive into this episode on the School of Greatness. Welcome back, everyone, to the School of Greatness. Very excited about our guest.

We have the inspiring Matthew McConaughey in the house. Good to see you, sir. Good to be here with you. Very excited about this. In person. We did a... That was a real In person. We did a virtual. That was a real handshake. We did a virtual a couple years ago.

My audience loved it and they want more. And I think the world wants more of you. And I'm so grateful that you have continued to step out from your industry of being a world-class actor and creative artist. And expressing yourself more, sharing your art, your poetry, your stories, your lessons, and your truths. So it's been a beautiful journey to watch you continue to impact lives,

not only on screen, but also off as yourself. So I'm really grateful that you're doing this. Cool, thank you. I'm glad it's landed that way yeah for for you um it's been challenging and gratifying for me but that it started with the book you've written books uh you know what i what i wanted to do is when i'm acting i'm going i have five filters between my raw expression and what you see on screen five someone else's else's script, someone else's character, someone else behind the camera, someone else directing,

someone else editing. That's five filters between me and the raw expression. What wrote the book was I said, I want to get rid of some of those filters. Now, a book is one filter. It's still a written word. Yes.

But in the ultimate, it is like when people do stand-up or performances or like this. We're live. This is no filter. And so that's what I wanted to do where I could direct my own story, be the main character in my own story,

edit it through my lens. And it stuck in a way, which was nice to hear the reverb and hear people come back to me about what they got from it, questions they still have about it and how it helped them along their own path in some ways. Did you have any fear doing this?

Yeah. Really? Yeah. What was the biggest fear? I don't like looking back over my shoulder, man. I mean, I haven't even seen all my movies. Really? I like making them more than I like watching them.

You know, so to look back over 50 years of my life 40 years of writings was a scary proposition for me because i feared i'd be in having some embarrassments i feared i'd be shamed about feel shameful about some things and i always had i'd always i've always written and had the journals but my my excuse was oh you know post-mortem maybe camilla my wife will dig that out and read them out writing oh this is worth putting out it I've always written and had the journals, but my excuse was, oh, you know, post-mortem, maybe Camilla, my wife, will dig that out. And read them out. Oh, this is worth putting out.

It was always an excuse, right? And finally, I got the confidence to go, you know what? No, go away. Take those boxes of journals and those chests of journals and go see what you got. And I looked at them. And I was embarrassed. You were? Yeah.

What was the thing that you're most embarrassed about? Being a wise, thinking I knew stuff, proclaiming I knew stuff, when I would contradict myself right after, or I had times where I would say, ooh, very good, look back, very arrogant. But I've come to understand now that I was doing that to find an identity.

And youth and the revolutionaries of youth do that. You try it out. Let's test it. I know this. It fails. Okay.

To the next. Something I don't think we should forget as we get older. We just start to understand context and innuendo. And two things can be true at the same time. When you're younger, it's black and it's white.

And so I had things that I was embarrassed about that. And what happened after about 10 days of writing the book and going through some embarrassment and quite a bit of shame, where I also didn't walk the walk, but talk the talk to myself even, talk the talk to myself even um i i started to notice that oh actually if you wouldn't have been that sort of all-knowing and what i would call arrogant at this point you wouldn't have put yourself in the position to learn better or to get humbled or to find that oh i thought i had it figured out i didn't so i was like okay so all of a sudden the embarrassment turned into chuckles so now I'm starting to laugh at myself you stepped you talked you didn't back it up you ate crow and that rhythm happened a lot through through my life I think it happens to to to to all of us in certain ways and I think one of the things that people got from the

book that I got from writing it was people come to me and said, look, I'm taking more risk now. And I think that's part of it. When we fail, which is why so many of us don't take as many risks, it's never really, not never, but almost always never as really bad as we thought it was going to be. When we fail at the risk, yeah. Yeah, when we fail at doing it, it's never, the letdown's never in a real measure as bad as we thought it was going to be. And the people that are going, they're on the sidelines for a reason. You play football. They're over there.

They're in the bleachers with the whistle in their mouth for a reason. But the ones that are on the field trying out stuff with you, they're right there next to you going, Hey man, me too. I blew it over here. I blew it here, but thanks for taking the shot. Thanks for trying. That's what we're doing. And I think that's something that a lot of people got from the book.

So the shame and the embarrassment turned into humor. And then I noticed that I consistently stepped in the same pile quite a few times. I think I've evolved somewhat, but I'm still working on the piles. When did you feel like you were the most wounded? Wounded. Like internally wounded where maybe you had you thought you had it all figured out or you thought like I'm successful but really on the inside maybe you felt like you were full of you know. Oh well there's been a few but I'll say look Australia the year I had there you know that story from the book that was a really tough year,

but that was not a year when I thought I had it figured out. That was a big year. The early questions of youth are why, why, why, why, why? You learn some things, you start to define your hows and whens and your wheres. But when I was rolling in my career later on in life and was like your your girlfriend marta yeah uh rolling rom-coms in in in hollywood um i was enjoying them but i didn't feel like they were feeding me back i didn't feel like they were

the right kind of challenge for me and it came to me at a time when i camilla and I had fallen in love and she was pregnant with our first son. So all of a sudden life's vital, man. It's like real, right? My laughs are louder. My tears are wetter. My joy is bigger. My pain is deeper. That's not where rom-coms are built. Rom-coms are built to be buoyant up here.

Keep it light, bounce cloud to cloud. Don't go so deep or so high. They're built that way on purpose. But my life was getting extremely dramatic and I liked it. And I started to feel like, well, what am I doing in my career? I remember saying this, am I just an entertainer? And I made sure to look myself in the mirror and go, and if you are, is there anything wrong with being just an entertainer? That's okay too. But I just wanted to see if my career could challenge the vitality of my life that I was living at the time.

So I tried to find dramas that I wanted to do that more represented the man I was becoming. Hollywood was saying, no, thank you. You stay in your lane, McConaughey. We got other people that'll do those. I'll take a massive pay cut.

We said, no, thank you. Stay in your lane. So because I couldn't do what I wanted to do, I pulled up and quit doing what I was doing. And I took a one-way ticket out of Hollywood,

not knowing if it would be a one-way ticket or a return ticket, but not knowing how long I was going to be driving without work. Is it 20 months, right? 20 months without any work. That's unbelievable. When was the time where you felt like, or when you felt like people stopped talking about you or you weren't as relevant or they stopped calling you for auditions or you weren't

in the gossip news or whatever? Hell no, I wasn't. And now remember, I'm coming from Hollywood at that time. I was living in Malibu, living on the beach. And my rom-com run was parlayed with paparazzi getting shots of me on the beach all the time. So McConaughey shirtless on the beach was synonymous with McConaughey and the rom-coms. It was like, his life is his rom-coms. Rom-coms is his life, right? So I moved with Camilla to texas when we and no beaches there um no paparazzi there the first six months all i got offered was rom-coms i said no no no no no no no no no no no no so then they said okay we got the message they quit offering rom-coms

so what they offer nothing wow i call it eight months i hadn't heard from my agent he says buddy you hadn't heard from me because i hadn't heard about you call it 10 months he goes man i haven't even heard your name in two months i call it a year he's like buddy hadn't even heard your name no one's interested so i'm like okay i start thinking about do i need to start another, find another career, another vocation? No. Oh yeah. Really? Like stop acting all in all?

Well, I didn't know. I knew I had already made the covenant with myself and my wife that I was not going back. Was I wobbly at that time? Was I looking for something to achieve and find some significance and purpose? Right. Thankfully, I've got a young child on the way.

Or was probably maybe at 12 months born, just born at that time. So that's given me real resonance and purpose to keep me at least. Focused somewhere. Focused on something I could rely on being, having meaning and value. But still, I needed my own personal thing to get off to. My own craft. And I didn't have it. Um,

what was I going to do? So, you know, I can make it wind chimes. You know what I mean? It was serious. I was like, and I've said this before,

the old bottle of my favorite spirit started looking a little bit better earlier in the day. Cause the days were long, bro. Days were getting long. Monday and Saturday were melding into each other. And you know what a lifelong Saturdays can do to us? Make a tiring out of this, bro.

So I was looking for... But you were on the top, man. You were like... I was the top at rom-coms. Yeah, that was my... I owned that lane. And I was the go-to rom-com guy. But I was not going to go back and do that.

I'd made the truth that I had, that 3 a.m. truth that hit me and stuck with me for months before I made the decision to step out of Hollywood. I knew it was true. It was a quiet truth and tears have been shed on my wife's shoulder with myself going,

this is a decision we're making in my soul. We're going to make it and stick to it. And no matter, I think you talk about, you know, I think there was like someone offered you 15 million or somewhere around there. Right around month. It's testing you. 18.

And it starts testing you. It's like, oh, 5 million, 10 million, 12 million. And then you said it starts to. Well, I'll tell you the story. So a year goes by, nothing. And I said, I'm starting to think about different vocations, but I'm going to stick to my guns. 15 months, 18 months. Another rom-com comes in. But my agent says, this one's really good. And check out this offer. I offer an $8 million offer. Let me read that. Now before,

the first year, I wouldn't even read. No. No to the genre. No. But I read it. It's pretty good, man. No, thank you. They come back. $10 million offer. I said, no, thank you. They come back with a $12 million offer. I said, no. Thank you. They come back with a $14.5 million offer for the same script

that they sent first with the $8 million offer. And what did I say? Let me read this again. And I read it again. and it was funnier yeah i read it again it was funnier it was i could see myself in that character i was like this could be a pretty good idea buddy but i ultimately said no and when i said no to the 14.5 i think what it did is it sent an invisible sort of lightning bolt through Hollywood execs

that Makani just turned down 14.5. He hasn't worked in 18 months and he just turned down 14.5. What's he up to?

Interesting. What's that guy doing? He's on to something. To turn that down, it shifted. It was like, he's definitely not bluffing.

Okay? Yeah. So, one's definitely not bluffing. Okay. So one of two things could happen. Okay. Thanks for your run in Hollywood, McConaughey. See you next life. Or what did happen is two months later, I get a call for the Lincoln lawyer,

Killer Joe and, and, and, and, and mud and true detective Dallas Byers club, all these things. the Lincoln lawyer, Killer Joe, and Mudd, and True Detective, Dallas Buyers Club, all these things. And so what happened is I became, I unbranded in those eight, in those eight, 20 months.

Where is he? Now he just turned down the 14.5. Wait, this guy is making affirmative action. That isn't a recessive move. That's like, to Hollywood, that's like, you're doing what right what do you got going so all of a sudden i became a new good idea for possibly these dramas i was looking for because i've been gone so long interesting because you didn't i wasn't getting recorded on the beach shirtless mouth but i wasn't in your theater your home in a rom-com each night i was persona non grata for a while.

Well, then you're gone long enough. You get forgotten or you become a new novel good idea, maybe for what you were looking for. And that's what fortunately happened to me. I love this because you talk about planting gardens to attract butterflies as opposed to chasing them. You also talk about this idea of being the target versus the target draws the arrow yes yeah so is that kind of what you were doing it's like you were

you were you know tending to your own garden your own inner world you're developing yourself shedding the old skin and becoming a new during that time and allowing the right things to come to you well i was definitely doing the first but I couldn't rely on the second. Okay. I was definitely tending my own garden. How do we learn to have that trust and the faith that there might be something great coming to us when we draw a line in the sand and we say, we're not going back to this personality we had, these habits, these behaviors, this industry that we were in that served us so well for so long. But now I'm saying no to that old way of being and trusting that something

greater is going to wash over me. How do we trust? Because it could have not happened for you. It could not happen. We might not be sitting here right now. I might not have gone on to do the work that I've been doing since then. I might not have the courage to go write the book. I might be that high school football coach that I was thinking about being. Really? Yeah. I might be that wildlife guide in Africa that I was thinking about being. I might be that conductor of a symphony that I was thinking about becoming and not sitting here.

How do we trust it? I think, look, when the decision came to me, I was in a position to hear the truth. My heart was looking and my mind were looking and I was giving myself room to cut out all the outside stimulus. Yes. And you know how when those truths come, they land like a lightning bolt and a butterfly at the same time. But you know they're true and they're true for you when they land. And you go, oh, that was a direct line. Whether you're religious or you call it the prime mover,

the way maker, the universe, whatever you want to call it. That was a direct line and that's true to me. And then comes the hard part. trust in that truth when the sun rises and you're back in the middle of the masses they're all going hey try this what are you doing they they weren't there for that truth last night their truth that they think of you was the same when you had the day before but now your truth is different so trust in that and not letting your onion get peeled because that's what happens it starts to strip away you know it's it's it's it's why i think why people have you know church once a week

because you're good on monday but come friday you don't need it you know what i mean you start to forget the things you know um that's why we need to update, maintain ourselves with our mental health, spiritual health, and physical health. Understanding it is one thing, but then keeping it in action and trusting in it and having the patience to trust in it to others. So it hit me in a clear way that I knew it was true. I had someone in my life, Camilla, that was close to me that I could share it and understood it and understood in the way that I shared it with her.

She was like, okay, I hear you. You're not negotiating. You're not asking me a question. You're sharing with me the truth for you so I can be by your side and make sure you stick to it because I know how important this is to you. What was that truth that you heard or that came to you at that time?

That I needed to do something different, more. I needed more to fulfill me at that point. And that, while I was happy that I was getting off so much to the vitality in my real life, more so than my work, I even looked in the mirror and said, well, if it's got to be one way or the other, congratulations. Because a lot of times, I've had the times where you're getting off to your work more than your real life. Right.

Right. But I was like, I believe my work can challenge the vitality. I hope that my life is more vital than my work for as long as possible. Please. I hope it is. But I think I can get my work to challenge the vitality and make me sweat my boots in the right way, in the same way that my life is,

to give me the joy and the pain and all that the way my life is. And so I was like, we'll bet on it and make it non-negotiable, make one bet and stick to it. Wow. And you know, sometimes it's endurance. So trust in that. I never questioned going back on my decision. No matter how much money?

No. 20 million, 30 million, 100 million. You were like, this is not worth it. No. Because as the number, trust me, when that number went from 8 to 10, 12 to 14.5, I started getting a little. Ooh, maybe I got a little. I was like, here we go. Here we go.

You want me to get. It didn't go from 8 to 6 to 4 to 2. Right. It went up. It went up. And I was like, here we go. Here we go. You want me to do it. It didn't go from eight to six to four to two. Right. It went up. It went up. And I was like, okay. I'm getting leverage in this. And I realized when I turned down the 14.5, I said, I got a sneaky suspicion this may

give me a little leverage because that's a big number. And that's for, you know, there's a small community of the agents and the managers and the directors in Hollywood. And everyone's got to hear that you turned this down. I was sure hoping so. And I believe they did. Now, Hollywood could come tell me how much my hypothesis on that is true. But I've heard from quite a few whispers like, no, when you turn that down,

people went, double took and went, he did what? Which, I don't know, made me more attractive in a new way. You know, when someone does that and you're like, oh, they got their own thing going. They didn't just remove themselves and sit out there wandering in the desert. They're on to something. I don't know what it is, but you can become more attractive. In a way, I think I became more attractive for that reason.

They were like, you turned out 14.5. He's got something going on. He's got a point of view. He's doing this for a reason. He's got some purpose with which he's doing this for. Now, you had your first kid right around then or a year before then? No, right in there. It was about a little less than a year into that.

One of the things I respect and admire about you is, yes, your career is incredible. But the fact that you, you know, have been in a loving, committed relationship for, I don't know. 16 years. 16 years. You've got three kids. And you have found a lot of fulfillment in the richness of living, not just in making money and the career and the success and the fame. It's one of the things I respect about you. It's one of the things me and Martha were talking about this morning, about how you

could have been the bachelor forever. Yeah. Where do you think your life would have been in that year had you not had the loving, committed relationship, child as well, first child? Where do you think temptation would have led you? Or do you think you would have made the same decision with the sand on the ground? Or was it having a committed, conscious, loving relationship and partner and teammate that allowed you to have the courage to act with that line in the sand?

Well, the only reason I pause here is because I'm trying to wonder how little of credit to give the relationship because I'm not going to say it's 100%, but it's up there. The relationship having her and now about to become a father, which was the only thing I ever wanted to be,

had great resonance for me. I, one, had a relationship, which gave me, just singularly with Camilla, gave me more license and courage to fly. But now I'm going to become immortal, so to speak, with a child coming into the world. It's the one thing I ever dreamed of being, become a father.

That was at the top of my list since I was a kid. Now I'm like, well, this is what I'm doing. This part of life has always taken precedent before anything I did since. Got famous, won this or won that. My career was always in front of a Hollywood career. Always. That's what I mean by JK Living. That's why Just Keep Livin' has always been

sort of a mantra. What, at the end of the day, argue with that one. End of the day, that wins out. I've always wanted to have a life that I'm leading first, and I became an actor and a movie star and famous, but not, oh, I'm an actor, movie star, and famous, so now what do I do? How do I live my life

according to that? No, I wanted to keep those in order. If you didn't have that relationship at that time, what do you think would have happened? That's a good question. What would have happened? Do you think it would have been

more tempting to take the money and let me just... Yeah, I mean, yeah, the nights would have been even longer. I think it would have definitely got more wobbly. I would have been even longer. The, the, the, the, the, I think it would have definitely got more wobbly. I would have really had to,

I mean, I, I believe I could have pulled it off. I'm glad I didn't have to find out. I pulled it off on my own. I might've, I might've run off to the monastery and still be there. I,

I, I, I, um, you know, or, because I had, I look, I had very somewhat reliable temptation from people very close to me going, what's your malfunction? My brothers and family were like, what is your major malfunction? What are you doing?

You own this land in the wrong, but why are you making a straight line crooked, which is lying on the allergies? Why are you making this complicated? Do you know how many people would dream to even be doing this? And so I did have that understanding, which I bring up in the book about being less impressed and more involved. I was very thankful.

I was never disrespecting the rom-com i was just like i don't know i didn't make this up this feeling in me yeah you're a new season there's a new chapter to come so i don't what would i've been doing what i'd be doing now if i didn't have camilla and she she didn't have her first child on the way i don't know that too that eight that 20 months would have felt like 20 years if i just if i'd have stuck with it. And would I have had the patience? Would I have had the fortitude?

Would I have been able to stay still in the long, lonely nights where I didn't feel like I had purpose? Where I didn't feel significant? Where I didn't have a newborn child and a relationship to look at and go? Because I knew then, I was like, you put time into that, you cannot go wrong.

Right. I looked at my newborn child. I looked at him. I was like, you put time into this, you are in the black. There is no debit, no matter how much. You can't overdo that. So that gave me something. If I didn't have that, no, no, no, I'm not sure.

I'm not sure. 16 years you said you've been together, right? Yeah. 16 years. No, no, no, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. 16 years you said you've been together, right? Yeah.

16 years. There's a lot of men that are driven men. I'm in LA, so I see this in LA where they feel like they need to be single for a long time or they need to jump from partner to partner or have multiple partners at the same time, all these different things. No judgment, no right or wrong here, but I'm curious, what have you learned about 16 years in a relationship that has taught you about how much more successful you can be in other areas of life versus single life when you were also extremely successful, but maybe there was something missing, you know, emotionally or spiritually. Yeah. Well, I'm going to piggyback on where you first

started. I don't, I've got friends that are poly and I've got friends that are perpetually single and to see them when they do pull it off and still have a healthy spirit and a healthy body and a healthy mind, I applaud it.

Right on. I do, I have seen a lot of them have to, ooh, I got to recalibrate. I got, you know, I got off. I got spread too thin. them have to, oh, I got to recalibrate. I got off. I got spread too thin.

Energy everywhere. A bunch of little campfires, but no bonfires, right? You can do it. I think a person can do it on their own. I think a person can do it in solitude. I think a person can do it even with a relationship with just themselves.

It can be done. But when you have a relationship that you're committed to, that you want to make work, that it's part of your decision, and especially when you have a child that is not only committed to you, but is dependent on you, that goes to the top of the value system.

And so career choices can go into the two hole or maybe the three hole. Now, I would argue that I got better at my career when it went to the two and three hole and wasn't in the one hole. Really? Because I didn't, and I feared this.

I was like, whoa, I was having a family and the fact that when we had kids, my wife said, if we have kids on one condition, Matthew, when you go, we go. So my family comes with me. When she said that to me, I remember going through my mind, wait a minute, I'm an artist.

I'm a lone wolf. When I go to work, I'm in my Airstream all alone. It's me and my dog, maybe, but nobody else. And as I'm saying that in my head, this other little smarter voice comes in and goes, Nadja didn yes ma'am and i said yes ma'am it was the greatest decision i've ever made right because seeing my kids or leaving before they woke up and seeing them when i got home after work was the was a beautiful energizing reset for me at the end of the day that filled me up with real life and made me more creative going into work the next day to tell a child when you're doing something like true detective and

they go what was the scene about today and you go i better tell a good parable because i can't tell them the real thing it's some heavy r stuff right so i became a better storyteller and how i'd make it a nursery rhyme or something um but you're living for something, for someone else and something more. And, you know, for Camille and I, living for the covenant that for her and I to do what we can to stay together and keep promoting each other

and ourselves in a relationship and then to have the kids. I'm living, you live for something else. And that empowered me and made me better as an individual. And when I go out the door, I have more courage. Because I know I've got that stability at home.

Wow. Where do you think you would have been if you had been in a relationship, you know, five, ten years prior? Yeah. And it'd be 25 years as opposed to 16. Do you think you would have been better in your career? Or you'd made that shift sooner? Or do you feel like, you know, being the lone wolf, you had its time and its place.

I think you had its time and its place and i think it had its time its place i'm not arrogant enough to say oh if i go back and change time um i mean i've thought about that i i i was with and dated seriously some some wonderful women before i met camilla um i think it wasn't the time for me and it wasn't the time for them for us to take it further to take it as far as say could be married or something but you know i often wonder what if what if it was what if i felt like it was time that i never did right what if i did you know do we meet the right person sometimes but it's just not the time for us interesting do we do or is it it's the two play it's got to be the right person sometimes but it's just not the time for us interesting do we do or

is it it's the the two play it's got to be the right person in the right time for each person but i i know i i cannot go back you know going forward to mystery looking back to science when i connect the dots i don't dare to go back though if i had changed 10 years earlier i'm thinking about who i was dating if we got married, I mean, who knows? I don't think it would have been the same realization 10 years earlier. I was a different man. Yeah. I was seeing the world differently.

And we'll never know, but I think it was the right time for me when this happened. And my single years were the right amount of time for me when I was there. And those relationships before that that ultimately ended, that was the right time for them to end. So how old were you when you met your wife? 16, 53, 40,

37. 37. So when you were 37, before the moment you met her, which I think you met her at a bar on sunset. Club on sunset. Saris Club on sunset. Club. Let's call it that morning.

Don't go to mini clubs. Glad I went to the club this night. Yeah, I was kidding. Let's call it that morning or that season right before you met her. Yeah. What was it that made you feel loved then? Yep. And what is it today that makes you feel the most loved today?

Okay. What does it make me feel the most loved before? When I was spiritually strong. And look, I was I had some relationships that were loving relationships that, or I loved the woman

she loved and cared for me. And those were real. Yes. I also had a season where it was just affairs. It wasn't about love. It was lust. It's fun. It was fun.

And it was healthily, it was a healthy, fun transaction. And we laughed and kept it light and that was all it was ever going to be and we're not even you know and that was okay too um

I am happy to say that through most most of that I was able to keep somewhat spiritually strong really um how did you say

it had no it didn't really have trouble sleeping alone in my own bed because I've had those times. I think we all have if we've had this single life. Where there's times where if you're rolling like that,

especially if it's like affairs and flirt popping around here and there, boy, all of a sudden you end up in bed alone. You can't sleep. And you're like, whoa, wait a minute. Now I'm the company I can't stand being with. If it's only me, that would always be a trigger for me like you better bend a knee and go go inward catch your breath and go inward here so so what made you feel the most love before you met her what was it i mean was it the success or the fame? No, I didn't...

Was it the chase? Was it the, you know... No, it wasn't the chase and catch. I knew what that was. That always felt like a stop and not a stay. To me, it was a season. Yeah. I understood it to be a season. And I gave myself freedom and license to have that season as healthily as I could.

I don't think I was any more shallow. I didn't think, oh, this is all there is. I did have a dream where I thought where I was 80 and 88 you're a bachelor but had a lot of children

you did yeah and it wasn't a nightmare 88 year old bachelor and you had a lot of children and that wasn't a nightmare sitting on a porch and it wasn't a nightmare

really and I woke up from that dream not going yippee that's what I'll do. I did wake up with it going, that's possible. And as soon as I said, that's possible,

I did quit looking so hard. And when I quit looking for her so hard, that's when she came. Because before that, I will say, in my thought of, I do want to find someone to fall in love with and start a family. I mean, every red light, bro.

LA. Possible, possible. Produce section. You know what I mean? Possible, possible. Every, you know, you just- Yoga class, whole foods. You're just checking section you know what I mean possible boss every you know you just yoga class whole foods checking you know everywhere and I was looking I was leaning in leaning in and said well maybe that could work like that script well maybe that could work you know um and then when I had that dream it did it was like oh on spiritual sense i was like well you might end up being an a.d.o bachelor and if you've got spiritually if you're spiritually strong your relationship with god strong that's that's okay it didn't make me go that's what i want to do but just saying

that could be a reality for you let me exhale and i quit looking everywhere and everywhere i quit looking in the first second was like and i was like, and I, what happens when you do that? You become more attractive. You allow yourself to be loved. You allow yourself to see someone who actually you might love. But mainly you allow yourself to be someone that can be loved.

And you're not selling, you're not soliciting yourself. You're not in a rush about anything. You're going to meet somebody. You also, what you look at, you want to see how they move. How far back are their shoulders?

How do they talk? What do they say in between the lines? Not what they say, what do they say in between the lines? And I remember when I saw Camilla walk across the club that night, it was the way she moved. I saw history.

I saw dignity. I saw somebody that was not for sale. I saw somebody that didn't need, that when I called her over was not happy to meet me, wasn't over, wasn't impressed with my vocation. And she knew who I was.

Wasn't impressed with that. She was about a lot more than that. So my eyes were open to seeing what I wanted and needed. And I also was able to, in that moment, completely be myself. Not oversell myself. Not undersell myself.

Did you feel like you needed to oversell yourself before then? Even though you had all the success and the fame and the hits and the money? I think when

it's a sped up process. You know? Especially if you're like in, you know, especially if you're like, in, you know, if it's a, more of a string of short-term relationships, it's like,

it's not overselling, it's just like, let's skip the, let's skip a lot of the real stuff. Let's skip a lot of the, you know what I mean? I don't want to take that. Come on,

we're just here, we're laughing, we're having a good time, you know what I mean? And that's all, that's all, both're having a good time. You know what I mean? And that's all we're both in this for. So you speed up the process a little bit. So I don't know, when you say, what did I love?

It wasn't my fame. Did I feel more loved if my movie did well? And more people came up and was like, that was great? Sure. But that was great. Sure. Sure. But that was never my top source of

affirmation of feeling loved. Did I feel less loved? Movie bombed? Or people were like, sure. But that was never my main thing. The source of my

lack of confidence or lack of significance. It was spiritual. And then I always had family at this time. Being my brothers and my mom and stuff. There was always that. That I knew was 100% reliable. But mainly I would say spiritual.

And then your follow-up question to when do you feel more loved now? Yeah. When do you feel the most loved now? Oh, the good night group hug with my three kids my wife after we've just talked about what our day was like what we're looking forward to tomorrow and we've had a few fun disagreements and somebody said something real honest that you didn't have the courage to say maybe a week before and for the first time noticed that if they shared that they weren't going to get in trouble that they were just going and to see them grow and going you

got the courage we me and then to feel like a dad and go me and your mother giving you a place to feel like you can go we I did like her and and my heart hurts because she doesn't like me to be able for a child to be able to say that to you it's like okay we're doing something right I did like her. And my heart hurts because she doesn't like me. To be able to, for a child to be able to say that to you, it's like, okay, we're doing something right. There we go. That's a feeling of love. To have an honest talk, not just about all of the happy times,

but about the stuff that sucks in my kids' lives as well. And even for my wife to share it and it not be like, dun-dun-dun-dun. Right, right. To be like, yep, we're going through this. And one thing we know is we're going through it together. That, that, that's beautiful. That's beautiful.

One of the things that you talked about in the book in the last couple of pages was this list of goals that you wrote down. One of them, isn't that wild? 10 goals in life, 1992. One of them. Isn't that wild? 10 goals in life, 1992. 1992. One of them, becoming a father. And number two, finding and keeping the woman for me. The woman for me. Yep.

And you got 10 of them. I'm curious, how important is it to write down our visions, our dreams, our goals in order to manifest what we want in our lives? Because this whole book is a journal of you writing down everything. And all 10 of these, you've accomplished all of them. And you're still accomplishing and living into them. So how important is it to write down our dreams, our goals, our values in order to manifest and attract them? I think it's a lot more important than we give it credit for.

Look, writing things down seems like this old-fashioned sort of archaic things. Type it. It's on a screen. Put it on a Word doc. Save it. Put it in a folder. It can be lost back there.

To actually write it with the hand is a different kind of objectivity you get. Because it's come out and you, you've put it down, now you're looking at it. It's outside of you. It's freed up now. It's alive. It's moving.

Now, more so than having that goal by your bedside every night, which can be good, but to write it down, if you're writing down true goals there they become written in your lineage they become written in your body whether you know it or not in your subconscious they exist it's a way to get it into your subconscious to write it down now it's out of me it's on a page i'm objectifying it now i'm looking at it so now i'm having a dialogue where before it's just socratic but now i'm having a dialogue and before it's just socratic but now i'm having a dialogue

and it starts to reciprocate those 10 goals i wrote those down in the top bunk in the delt house university of texas 1992 my roommate was monty wills i remember the night i wrote him down wow i never looked at him again i found those and writing this book and found out that oh my gosh all 10 you actually did and and four you're still doing that's crazy i never looked at them 30 years later you found them yeah that's crazy but they all happened they all happened i don't think they happen if i don't write them down i don't think they do do so that practice of writing something down that you into that you want or that you yearn for and to add to it or subtract from it along the way if you want to or just write it down fold it up tuck it away so you can find it 30 years later when you go want to share a journal

or write something about it like I did. I don't think it happens but then just go back and see the invisible contract I made with myself. Gosh, I love that. Because obviously I did. Because I mean

those 10 people go you've done all 10. I said well no I'm in the middle I'm still I have to I'm still maintaining for it

but I have engaged some of them I've just done but I have engaged I am in full engagement. Some of them I've just done. But I am in full engagement with all of them. Well, it's an invisible contract until it becomes a physical written contract. Right. But it's with yourself. I guess it becomes, there's an invisible way it becomes subconsciously non-negotiable with yourself.

And here's the interesting thing. On this, is this the exact image or is this a recreated image? No, that's it. This is a photo of it? Yeah. You signed it. Yeah. And that's what I think is actually really important because you did create a contract with self.

Right. You signed the goals at the bottom. You have 10 goals in life, 9-1-92. And at the bottom, you signed it. And I think that's really important in creating this contract with self is putting your name on something that you write down from the ideas in your mind into paper so that you can actualize this in life. And I think that's what's beautiful. And you were like, what, 20 years old when you did this? 2021.

And folks, anyone who thinks so, that sounds like, you know, Mike Tyson talking about Mike Tyson when he's himself talking about another person. Do it. Don't worry. Sign your stuff to yourself. You know what I mean? about Mike Tyson when he's himself talking about the third person. Do it. Don't worry. Sign your stuff to yourself. You know what I mean? Write to yourself and sign it. It's a great practice to do. You know, you are then getting a third person objective view of yourself.

So you will have a better chance of subjectively creating those and activating those things and having them happen. One of the things in here, number seven, stay close to mom and family. I know there was a period, I think you said six or eight years, where you pulled away from your mom. I think you're still close with your brother, but you pulled back because she was kind of loving the fame. And it was making it about her as opposed to supporting her son. So that was something that kind of came and went and you danced with. But now it seems like you guys are in a great place. She's living with us four years now.

She's 91. And then also you had number eight win an Oscar for the best actor. How do you at 21 write down a goal of winning an Oscar when I think... And I wasn't even acting at that time. That's nuts. You didn't even do the first movie yet? No. Why did that come in your mind?

Why was that even a thought, a dream, a goal? So this is, I believe, right after I had... Soon after I had called my father to say, I don't want to go to law school anymore. I want to go to film school. Now, looking back... And he said a great line back to you. He said a great line. He said, don't half-ass it.

Don't half-ass it. Yeah. Which was three or whatever, four, however many words, it's the best words I've ever heard from the man who I ultimately really wanted my ultimate approval from. And he gave me a lot more than approval with that line. He gave me a kick in the backside, privilege, freedom, responsibility, kick, go do it.

And I suppose, I know consciously consciously but probably subconsciously too there's things that i've done where i wanted to let something slide and those words came on my mind i was like no way that'd be half-assed so those words have lived with me um i i decided i want to go to film school. And I went back to these journals and I find something like that. I was like, dude, you always wanted to be an actor. Interesting. Like you just wouldn't admit it.

And I remember always being sheepish about someone go like, well, you just want to, why don't you perform? I go, no, I don't. Something about it and I had felt fraudulent then. someone would go like, well, you just want to, why don't you perform? I'd be like, no, no, I do, I do. Something about it in my head felt fraudulent then.

Something about being behind the camera to go to director school, learning story felt like, well, that's my, I'll sneak in the back door to the acting, right? But that's the better way. And I'm glad I went that path.

But I think I wanted to, and I've talked to my buddy, Rob Bindler, who I bring up often in this book about it. And he was like, yeah, you were wanting to,

he reminded me of talks we'd have late night. And he was already at NYU film school. He was like reminding me of, yeah, you were already wanting to at this time when you first went to film school. So I write that down to myself. I'm not afraid to write it down to myself, but I'm afraid to say anything like that out loud. I'm not, I'm not afraid to write down to myself, but I'm afraid to say anything like that out loud.

I'm not, I'm not afraid to even say I would, I'm interested in going into acting at this point. Wow. But yet I write down, I want to, I want to win an Oscar for best actor. That's crazy.

Wow. So when you saw this paper, you had already won. Yeah. These goals. Yeah. You know, for the first time after, I guess, close to 30 years,

you'd won it, I think, six, seven years prior to that. Yeah. What did that feel like when you read this and you saw win an Oscar for Best Actor? I was like, ah! Are you kidding? Get out of here! Camilla!

Check this out! Are you kidding me? Wow. And. Camilla! Check this out! Are you kidding me? Wow. And then I went right back to that night. And I remember sitting in the top bunk. We'd just come from the arcade, me and Monty Wills, our roommate. He was in the bottom bunk. I was in the top bunk.

Like a Tuesday, Thursday night. I'd been journaling. I wrote in this little journal. And I remember that night. Other people were actually going out for a late... we've been out kind of partying. Other people went to the next party. I decided to come home and sort of bond it. I had the top bunk. I compressed my teeth. Went out. Put on my shorts. Got in bed. Got in the cover set up there. And I had a little window right right here and I have a little diary

on a little window seal with a pen. Bunk bed. Yeah. That we made. We made these bunk beds. We were the first bunk beds in the Dell house.

And, pulled over and I wrote it and I think I had it, I think I even, a form of a headlamp. They even had headlamps. I loved headlamps. Still do love headlamps.

And, written that and I wrote that down. Wow. Curious, if you didn't create this contract for yourself, do you think you would have accomplished all 10 of these goals and dreams for your life? Or would some of them maybe fall through the cracks

because you didn't create that, turn the invisible contract into a physical written contract and make it real? I don't know. I mean, I have to believe that writing them down subconsciously led to me, actually. I knew what they were. I couldn't recite them to you because I never looked at them again. But I knew what they were.

And it tells me I had good goals because actually they were true. I mean, we all write down goals that we go like later on no you were bulls**t yourself you were you were just writing down what you think someone wanted you to say and i and and and this particular night i i think i obviously wrote things down that were had real i mean i told my future in a way wow i don't trust me when I write every time I put a pen to paper I'm not I'm I batted a thousand on this one I went 10 for 10 I don't go 10 for 10 all the time you know what I mean but writing down the right ones if I and even without looking at it I don't I doubt I would have pulled these things off um how do we learn to listen to the true highest version of ourselves and write the right goals

and and follow that path yeah as opposed to chasing the you know the stuff that leads to a lot of red lights yeah and actually create a lane of green lights yeah for us yeah obviously you had obstacles to overcome on this journey and that's part of the human condition, but you actualized all of these. How do we, how did, how did you,

you know, you were listening to yourself and you authentically said, become a father, finally keep the woman for me, keep my relationship with God and chase my best self as your first four. You didn't say become a billionaire, you know, have 20 mansions,

have three, you know, Mas have 20 mansions have three you know maseratis yeah yeah yeah yeah which what you think a 20 year old might i mean that's probably what i was thinking when i was 20 you know it's like how did you think about these you know the first four and the sixth one take more risks it's like stay close to mom and family that number eight was a more material thing win win an Oscar. It wasn't win an Oscar first. Right, right. We got to ask ourselves what,

we all, I think we can all agree, we all want more. We have dreams, we have goals. We got to ask ourselves first, more what? And that starts, I think, by going and answering that question, what do I value the most?

And so look at the things that you already got in your holster that you value. Because you don't want to be reckless with those things and cast them off and let all the weeds grow around those and then all of a sudden

you can't even recognize that garden. So I think that the first things were about taking care of things that I value. They were very personal. They would take care of myself. They would take care of my mom, take care of things that I that I value they were very personal they would take care of myself they would take care of my mom take care of the family take care of my relationship with God they were very very very personal things to me that I knew and believed would be lifelong maintenance journeys and that things that I believed at that time that no taking care of those is never going to go out of style for you but pick out the things that i believed at that time that no taking care of those is never going

to go out of style for you but pick out the things that are not not not the fads because we'll write things down those three maseratis yeah hey man you get 20 years from now you don't like maserati you know i mean so all right maserati you know what i mean watch out what proper nouns we're using because they some of them may be just fickle you know what i mean so those the proper nouns family god myself jay so those are things that i gave value to and gave me value and meaning in my life and so i was like i was already in the i was already in the midst of those and those are things i said i'm not going to forgive these and i'm not going to no matter who i become i'm not going to say oh these are no longer on my plate. I don't need to worry about these. Like you said, the Oscar, that's a new one.

That's something that was out there. That's big. Becoming a father, that's out there. But since I was eight years old, the one thing I knew I wanted to be was a father. I knew I wanted to meet the right person, the right woman for me. Didn't have her. Hadn't met her yet. At that point. It's far from it.

So start with the things that we got in our saddle that you do already give you about, that already give you meaning and value in your life and double down on those. Project forward. And if that happens, what would I dream of it to become? And then if you're going to talk about, I think when we're talking about a career, we've

got to ask ourselves first, I think this would be really valuable for everyone to ask themselves. First, what do you have an innate ability for? An innate talent for? And what are you willing? Is that the same thing you're willing to work for? And then thirdly, which is a little bit more of an asterisk. Is that something that the world would demand? We're going to go straight capitalism supply and demand

but we often look at things and I've done it I'll bust my hump for it but I'm like I'm really not that good at it okay or I've got something that

sometimes we have things that we're really good at but we're like but I kind of just a natural. I don't want to work at it. If you can find something that you have an innate ability for, and we love doing things we have an innate ability for, right? We have an innate talent in our DNA for.

And then go, now I'm ready to educate myself, learn, hustle, go after, see, create opportunities bam bam it's going to be in the prism of my how I measure every situation where I am going forward hunt it down and do what you got to do to get better at it and then it's hopefully something that the world could demand you're that's a sweet spot now you're now you're paying your rent man now we got food on the table now now we're rolling now we're waking on the table. Now we're rolling. Now we're waking up with some purpose. Now we're waking up with, you know, yeah, it's going to be a hard day today, but I don't, I can't, I'm not dreading Monday morning.

You know, maybe I'm going to sleep in, but I got, I'm building something. I'm building something here. I'm in construction. One of the things that you, I want to connect that to this thought here. 622, Matthew 622. If thine eye be single, the whole body will be full of light. Yep. I believe that's your favorite passage.

Yeah. Yeah. You went on a journey, you know, after the, it was either in the middle or at the end of the tail end of your rom-com, you know, stardom. And you went to, on a trip, went on a journey with yourself. Yeah. I think for 20... 22 days.

22 days in the Amazon. Yeah. And there was a moment in the book where you talk about, essentially, you had to kind of have a coming to, you know, moment with yourself where you had to shed all the identities that you were holding onto, your rings, your heritage, your background,

your clothes, I'm famous, I'm a rom-com guy, I'm an actor, you had to shed all of it. And what was the thing that you found when you let go of your identity in the outer world? That I was a mammal. A mammal, and for me, as a believer, a child of God. That's it. I baselined it.

And the mammal we can all agree on, right? The child of God, that was for me and any other believers. But baseline it. I got rid of, I remember my dad's ring, which had M on it, gold melted down from there. My mom and dad's class rings and gold from my mom's teeth meant a lot to me. But it was an identity marker. I'm a McConaughey. This is about my dad.

I have my American cap that I'd worn for two decades. I'm an American. We get rid of that. Got rid of all these little talismans that were identities, titles that meant something. They weren't random they were healthy ones yeah but i stripped them all off it was like bull and no you're not famous and no it's not you were before you were ever an actor before what are you what were you before you were mcconaughey before you were texan before you were an american before you

were an actor before you were a movie star before you were in America, before you were an actor, before you were a movie star, before you were a celebrity. Well, come on, get it all off. And it was a purge, basically. And I ended up, I was a naked, sweating mammal. I was like, you're a mammal, child of God. And that's what you are. So we've stripped off all the accoutrements. We've stripped off the ornaments.

Here we are. And that is the night that I was like, this is happening a couple of times in my life. And I think this is important for us all to do at some point. That's when I was like, okay. And what other truth do we know mcconaughey tell you what another truth i'm realizing right now is that you're the only son can't get rid of so we're gonna duke it out for the rest of our life here

are we gonna figure out how to get along wow what are we gonna forgive right now and what are we going to figure out how to get along? Wow. What are we going to forgive right now? And what are we going to say? The buck stops here. No more. I'm not putting up with it. Because I'm tired of playing grab with yourself. I'm going to cut the shit, man. Let's get along.

I can't get rid of you. Everybody else, every other relationship out there is a choice. You're the one person I don't have a choice to hang out with. So let's work this shit out. And just like going back and seeing the embarrassment and shame turn into giggles, I began to go like, man, maybe you're being too hard on yourself on this thing. You know what, get that monkey off your back. You're human, man. Forgive yourself. And these other things, dude, you've been a repeat offender. It hadn't been paying you back. You've been regretting

that choice every time you make it and keep freaking making it cut man evolve turn page no more and next morning i remember even the the sherpas and stuff in peru i came out of the tent and they also gone going, La Luz! La Luz! Light. The light. The light. And they were talking about me and the way I was moving. And I went for a walk. And for the first time during that trip,

I didn't give a damn about what was around the next corner. You weren't thinking about the destination. I wasn't thinking about the destination of getting to the Amazon and how it's been 11 days. When are we going to get there? Mind you, this 11 days prior, I had not really been present in the trip

because I was thinking about the result, getting to the destination so much. And then this morning after that night, I'm walking, I'm not even thinking about what's around the next corner. And when I did turn the corner, I was stopped by this sea of atomic plugged in neon blue, like a puddle,

like a bubbling puddle in the middle of my jungle path. And it stopped me. And I looked at it. I've never seen colors this this neon and bright. It was like it was not man-made. It was glowing. I'm completely sober this time. No, I wasn't. No, I wasn't.

This is straight-eyed, right? And it stopped me, and as I stared at it for about 30 seconds, all of a sudden, it started to flutter and rise and dissipated. It was tens of thousands of these Amazonian butterflies. Wow. And I stayed there for a minute.

And then this little words came into my brain from the prime mover that said, all I want is what I can see, and what I can see is in front of me. I was free. I was light. It was magical. I walked. I turned the corner and went down the trail,

and there was the Amazon. I finally made it. I made it to the river right after that moment. I did not know if I was still days away, weeks away, what. Stuff like that happens. We've got to listen. Yeah. Those are some of those truths that come that you go,

nobody else was here to witness that. That was not for the whole class. That was not on the speaker. That was not on the bulletin. That was not on the speaker. That was not on the bulletin. That was not on the nightly news. That was not even at church on Sunday with the congregation. That wasn't at school. That wasn't sitting around the dinner table with mom and dad

learning lessons. It wasn't from a mentor. That was for me. In this moment. I must heed that truth. You've been on this journey of a lot of people seeing you on screen and your personalities on screen and your talent in characters.

But now over the last three to four years, you've been revealing yourself more and more through your book, through all of your amazing content online, all the interviews you've been doing and all the solo content, which I think is amazing. Please keep doing that. Oh, good. Thank you.

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And I really call it an experience. I've watched some of the videos you guys have made behind the scenes. It's going to be incredible. So if you are listening, watching, or seeing a clip of this right now, run to lhliving.com. Sign up. It's 100% free. And you're going to be sharing a lot of wisdom and truth

and lessons that you haven't shared in here and expanding upon it in new stories. You're going to be sharing a lot of wisdom and truth and lessons that you haven't shared in here and expanding upon it and new stories. You're going to be expanding a lot on this. Dean and Tony came to me and said, look, we love Greenlights. And as I wrote in the book, it's an approach to that book. And they said, would you be interested in getting into the process? Like making it even, making it tangible tools for people to use that they can measure in circumstances.

I was like, yeah, so that's what we've been doing. That's what we're going to get into the hood of on the 24th is how to make it something transformational, hopefully for you individually, where you can see, oh, this is how I can utilize this in my life. I talk about the green lights, yellow lights, and red lights and their approach to them in there. That's the biggest question I've been asked since I put the book out. Well, the green lights, yellow lights, and red lights and their approach to them in there. That's the biggest question I've been asked since I put the book out.

Well, the green lights. I'm in the left lane. How do I trust this is as good as it's supposed to be? Is this the right truth for me? Red lights. I can't stand it. What do you mean there's a gift in the red light? How's there a gift in the freaking red light?

There is. Yellow light. The one where I've got to make a choice to either slow down or put the pedal to the metal what do i do it's coming up i feel it i don't know what i do do i call an audible i tell me to make the choice all explain those things we're going to explain a lot of the science satisfaction which will lead to the art of living and the art is individual the science is something we can each use and utilize and share but the art will be yours individually for how you can use it and this and make it through this this dance called life we're all in yeah i'm so excited i'm excited to attend myself and be there and if you are feeling

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but they're not getting to that greatness that they want, it's for them and it's also for people that are stuck or feeling like they're on the sidelines. So make sure you sign up. It's going to be an amazing free virtual event you can watch it on your phone at home on the tv anywhere it is it's free sign up lhliving.com and we'll link all that up as well you know the last story you just told you know had the entire room just like in awe and shock

and just silent here as you were talking about this truth that you realized from within essentially came through God and you realized from within no one was around you and I and I mentioned this quote before that if thine eye be single thy whole body will be full of light right Matthew 6 22 what does that mean to you if thine eye be single thy whole body will be full of light and that light came to you in that moment and these Sherpas were saying you know la luz la luz you were radiating light after this came to you why is this your favorite passage and and what does it mean for you? And how can we start to step into that? So the Mandorla, this is what the Mandorla is.

So we see, we so often see in life in contradictions, right? Future, the past, heaven, hell, technology, culture. And we see them as contradictions. And when in truth, that's two eyes, right? And there's judgment on either side. There's a duality there. But the truth

is in that third eye. Interesting. Where they overlap. And that's not a shade. So we go, oh, that's a shade of gray.. And that's not a shade. So we go, oh, that's a shade of gray. No, it's not a shade of gray. What the verse is saying, what I get from it is that's where all the colors live. All the colors of the truth live.

That passage, when I always tell myself, keep a high eye, keep the high eye, it's third eye. It shows up in all the religions too. It shows up everywhere. It's a way of perceiving the truth, I think, which lives in the paradox. And paradox is a word that some people go, oh, don't get into paradox.

That's too, I don't know, academic or whatever. No, paradox is where it's both are true. Two things can be true at the same time. It's today we could utilize it. It's like, if I seek to understand you and where you're coming from first, I'm probably gonna,

before I seek to be understood, we don't usually, it has to do with listening, it has to do with how we see things. It's how we judge. It's how it's it's how we judge um we it's very easy and especially today i think we love to be judge and jury on others and ourself it's a very arrogant thing for us to do and this passage if i be single and not a dual contradiction and seeing the contradiction and things have gone, oh, this is true and that's true.

And instead of or, right? That's where the truth lives, I believe. And it doesn't mean that you just straddle the fence and you're noncommittal about anything. That's not what it means. It doesn't mean you're just mystery in between. So that's true and that's true

and it's all okay. No, you can then have judgment, but but see both first see the overlap of the truth and understand it from both sides and then be understood and you can then have judgment but see it through that lens first because we just don't do it we come in with one eye or we me us versus them me versus you my idea versus yours left versus right democrat versus republican even how far can you go can you go down to right versus wrong good versus bad i mean we see them as contradictions and they're and they're not we all know we all got a little good in us a little bad it's a choice we make where we then have judgment. So that passage has elevated my POV quite a bit.

And it's one that I daily remind myself of. If I'm getting a low eye on somebody, if I'm condescending people, if I'm objectifying people, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. High eye, buddy. Come on. Open that third eye. It's not open.

My kids can see it in my eyes when I'm talking to them. If I'm talking at them or if I stop and really look at them and maybe there's something, maybe it's a form of discipline. But then they can see if I'm looking at them like, I love you, man. This is why I'm trying to teach you this. All of a sudden they go, my son said it. I see you at their act of life.

Really? 622. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. He's like, I heard you. I didn't hear you before when you were talking just at me. You know? So it's a great reminder, Matthew 6.22.

The whole body will be full of light, and you will move lightly and with discernment. It doesn't take away discernment. It doesn't take away judgment. It's just saying see it through that lens first and understand that that truth is where those overlap, and then make your decision. Wow. I think it's beautiful that your, I believe it was your son that that truth is where those overlap. Yeah. And then make your decision. Wow. I think it's beautiful that your, I believe it was your son that was born at 622. 622.

That's crazy, man. So there's another one. I'm all about the, I'm all about the, the symbols and the signs and the synchronicities of life. And me and my girlfriend, Martha, we, we talk about how, how impactful it is to listen and watch for the signals and signs and synchronicities. And I think you would probably say that that might be a green light that you should be looking towards when you see those things kind of coming in your peripheral.

I think so. But let's talk about this because I was writing this yesterday. Seems our greatest strength is our greatest Achilles heel and if you overcompensate for something that works for you all of a sudden you go into the equal and same amount into the debit section meaning on this instance if you're we've all been there if you're looking for the signal and the significance in every situation you start creating ones that aren't real making them up and it's like well you're getting stimulus from everywhere oh that was a sign oh that was a sign oh

and i remember writing this line about everything has significance but not everything is significant right and so we have to watch that fine line of where do we intuit? Where do we feel a truth? But if we're, again, like we were talking earlier about finding Camilla when I quit looking for, if we're hunting for the significance

in every single thing, it could be mental meditation. The subplots become unmanageable. You know what I mean? How do we know when it's significant? Right. Can we put ourself in that place to receive it and be aware to see it? You got to be light.

You got to be light. And you got to be in a place where you can hear it, feel it, and see it. But if we're out there going, well, you know, we've all been there. Look at that heart. Wow. That tree. And all of a sudden, you look up three hours later, and you were on your way to the bathroom,

but you didn't move six inches because you were so, oh, wow, wow. And we've been around those people. You're like, whoa, subplots are a little unmanageable, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the same time, you've got to be open to that mystical math that comes to us because there's a metric to that mystical math. There's a metric to that spiritual, those gifts that comes to us because there's a metric to that mystical math there's a metric to that spiritual those gifts that come to us we don't know how to put them in a category and go there's how their currency there's the credits and debits there's how they bring this roi and

this is what they're worth they don't come in numbers like that, but there is a real, true, valuable metric to them. And I think, again, art of living, how are you aware to them, aware of them and be open to them and put yourself in a place so you can receive them at the same time, not go hunting them down in every single shape, size and smell. Cause then you'll be just, you'll just spin in circles you know yeah and it's that's an art you know and and i don't know explain what that art is got times where i feel like i'm in the people call it maybe the flow state where you're kind of intuition's right on time and i don't know what time it is i don't even wear a watch but i was right on time again

wasn't i whatever that is you know your reactions you you you understand what someone's saying even it's not what they're saying kind of come back you see where they're coming from you're taking care of yourself but you're taking care of others at the same time it's a wonderful flow wow um and it starts i think a lot a baseline for that would be to be in that position to see those mystical sort of gifts that come. Starts with gratitude. I love in your acceptance speech one of the first things you said was

it's a scientific fact that gratitude reciprocates. I love that you said that in your speech, by the way. Thank you for putting that out into the world because I feel like gratitude is the pathway. It's the doorway that opens to the pathway of abundance, of love. Coming in and going out.

Yes. To light all these different things. And so it's the magnifier and the magnet to what you want in a conscious, healthy way. You could also magnify in other unconscious, unhealthy ways, but I think that's what it does. So I'm so grateful that you said that on a big platform, a big stage, because I feel like when people see someone accomplish a big thing, a big award or a big fame or success, they want that.

But I'm glad you fed people the peas and carrots right away. Right. And talked about gratitude. It's gratitude. It's gratitude. It's a scientific fact. When did you realize that gratitude was the key for you in opening up so many doors?

My mom was big on gratitude. And I mean, she instilled it in us at an early age. I remember it was you know you get up grumpy in the morning you come into the kitchen from your bedroom for breakfast and you wanted to sleep longer you're kind of grumpy and she'd see it the way we would walk and if we were kind of she'd turn around from the kitchen making breakfast it was go back to your bed and don't get out of bed until you're ready to come in here and see the rose in the vase instead of the dust in the table. I'm like, oh, geez, okay, I got to go back.

I rearranged. She would preach just the very baseline basics. Like, who do you think you are to think you were guaranteed the sun was going to rise for you today? Geez, Mom. I remember, Mom, I got this old pair of snotty sneakers with holes in them, except I need another pair of sneakers. Oh, yeah, you think another pair of sneakers snotty sneakers with holes in them and stuff. I need another pair of sneakers.

Oh, yeah, you think another pair of sneakers. Let me introduce you to the kid with no feet. Oh, geez, mom. You see, always like baseline sober to sup on stuff like that. Right? So it started with the very baseline stuff. Now, we get more fluent in life. We have things.

I don't think we should take even those things for granted. But a lot of us are out there going, okay, I get that part, but how do we become thankful for more things we have around us in our life? I think that the more we are give thanks for, we give more value to that thing or that person or that place or that instance. You give more value to it, it means more to us. If something means more to us, we tend it. We take care of it.

When you take care of something, something grows. So it scales. So actually gratitude is the root of generosity. Coming in and going. And it's a self-serving thing. It's not just a self less serving. It is self-serving. I applaud that it is.

And if you're going to give gratitude out for selfish reasons, I say bravo. You know, because it will reciprocate the same way back out um it just it it you know in our foundation we have these young kids that we give them a safe place to go after school they learn nutrition uh they make a physical goal and they do community service these are title one schools and at the end of every one of those classes they opt to sit around in a circle and share something out loud they're thankful for and these are high school students it ain't cool to say thank you for stuffing you in high school right well when they first started saying thank you they were being like i'm thankful for the just get good foundation i'm thankful and they all repeat themselves they're like no no no no guys y'all you're thinking

you're feeling like this is too serious so one day it got to me and i was like i'm thankful i got i'm gonna kiss from my wife this morning before I got out of bed. And they all started hooting and hooting. I was like, see, you can be thankful for fun stuff too. So they all started saying thankful. Thankful Halloween's coming. I'm thankful I'm looking so sharp.

Everyone laughed. What that led to was then people started to feel free to go. I'm thankful my mom's out of the hospital. I'm thankful my sister got into that college. I'm thankful my dad got a job. And when we asked them, what's your favorite thing about the graduate circle? This is the coolest answer.

They started coming up to us and saying, well, my favorite thing about the gratitude circle? This is the coolest answer. They started coming up to us and saying, well, my favorite thing about it is that I'm for the first time hearing peers of mine say thank you for something in their lives that I have in mind that I've always taken for granted. There's that reciprocity again. Where do you think you would be if you had zero gratitude in your life?

Oh, geez. Zero gratitude in my life. If you never expressed it, if you never zero gratitude in your life? Oh, geez. Zero gratitude in my life. If you never expressed it, if you never experienced it, if you never talked about what you're grateful for? I'd look a lot older. I'd feel a lot older. I'd have less energy.

I'd be a cynic, which is a great disease of getting older that we all should stave off. You wouldn't want to be hanging out with me, man. No, no, no. You wouldn't. I mean, I'd probably be right about a lot of things. Righteous, yeah.

And you'd be like, good for him. I don't want to be around this guy. You know? Yeah. Do you think we can manifest abundance and the things we want, the goals we want without gratitude? Is it possible? Yeah. I mean, you could mathematically compound things that are technically good or should come in abundance, I think.

But you're not going to I think. But, you're not gonna enjoy it. Right, right, right. That inner abundance won't be there. It'll be a little antiseptic. Right. It'll be all treble, no bass.

It won't have any feeling to it. I don't think you're going to be, why cheat yourself out on the great feeling of being thankful for something. It's there to be thankful for. And again, I don't mean, when I bring up earlier,

be less impressed, more involved. I don't mean that I bring up earlier, be less impressed, more involved. I don't mean that by, oh, disrespect. Don't be. Because we have to be more than just happy to be here. We can't just all run around going, just so great. Just so happy to be alive. We want to be more than that. I mean, again, have some discernment.

Make a choice. Have some identity. Define what you want more of and you want more value of in your life and set goals and go after things, create things. So we have to be more than just happy to be here. Yes. But that doesn't mean that if we are ambitious

that we quit respecting and giving gratitude for the fact that I'm happy I'm here. I respect this situation. I respect the position I'm in, this table to talk to you, that we're here to talk, that everyone here set up the camera, that we're able to do this.

I'm not in jail right now. There's a whole list of long things I'm happy I'm not. That never goes out of style to go, go underneath where we are to, to, to lesser, harder situations and just realize this is cool. This is cool to be here. So what, so when we, when we do that, we're going to give more, again, more meaning to this, more, more value to it. I'm going to be more generous. It's going to work not only for me, it's going to work better for you. It's going to work better for you.

It's going to work for all. It's the kind of epidemic we want. It's a win-win-win. Yeah. It's a win for us. It's a win for others in the world. Gratitude epidemic is not being a delusional optimist. Right.

No, don't be a fool. I'm not running around going, no, nothing's ever hard. Everything's always great. No, don't be a fool. You know, I'm not running around going, no, nothing's ever hard. Everything's always great. No, it's not. You know? No, I'm always happy. No, you're not.

Maybe you're not digging deep enough because you're always happy. Are you really chasing the things that have meaning in your life? Because things that have meaning take maintenance. They break down. Right.

It hurts. It hurts. It sucks. We get bruised. We try to tickle, but we end up pinching. It doesn't always come and go and it doesn't always work. It takes maintenance. What's the thing you struggle with the most in your life right now? After all this success outwardly,

all the, what seems like a lot of love a lot of inner peace a lot of family community connection service impact now greater than just your talent and your on screen but also changing lives and touching people emotionally and spiritually with your your message what is your biggest struggle at this season of life? Am I doing enough and is what I'm doing, am I doing it the right way? The best way. I need accomplishment for significance. I wish it didn't as much. At the same time, I'm like, glad you do need that.

You didn't have that again, like the times I was talking earlier, being arrogant put me in situations to get humbled. Sure, sure, sure. If I didn't want to compromise, I was like, okay, well, there's nothing wrong with that. But I, you know, I say this, we talk about a midlife crises,

and then I heard there's this thing called quarter-life crisis. Now, okay, we're gonna, 10-year-old crisis, whatever. Whatever your crises are. The original one, which was kind of titled the midlife crisis, right? I think one, bravo. Way to go.

You're turning the page, you're wanting to do more. You're turning the page. You're wanting to do more. You're wanting to find more, something different. Bravo. Way to make it hard on yourself at the right way, at the right time after you usually have already accomplished quite a bit. But don't, forgive this, let's go back to gratitude. And this is where a lot of people, I think, get hung up in the midlife crisis.

Wanting to do more and something different it's great but not at the expense of disrespecting what you've already done right not discounting what you've done no and too many of us discount oh I've done nothing oh that's not worth anything oh it's the stuff I built and when usually no that is something no that is something and when I say give yourself credit for that, that doesn't mean trust that you're not going to go, oh, okay then. I actually don't want to do more new stuff. I'm cool. It's not like you're going to go just retire

and go to the beach or play golf or quit doing anything. But it doesn't cancel that your ambitions out. But we need to be more, give more respect to what we've already built. And then we'll take on our male life crisis, which I'm going to return that something. Crisis. I don't like the word crisis on that, but you're still ambitious. You can be ambitious and have an entrepreneur spirit to want to go change things in your life while still respecting. I think you actually think you'll find more and do more of what you want to do the best way for

yourself when you do have a respect and a connection to your lineage of what you want to do the best way for yourself when you do have a respect and a connection to your lineage of what you actually have built and the Craig give yourself credit for what you have built to this point it's not cancel that out so I need to feel like I'm barren to go forward no that's going to help you this next story is connected to that one all right then that's not a new book it's the same book It's just a new chapter we're looking for, right? Those stories are connected. It's the same hardcover. We don't start over in our lives and start a new book.

Start a new chapter, maybe. And those things that we like to tell ourselves, oh, it's a new chapter, they're usually just commas. Those things that we like to say, oh, it's the end of the book. It's usually just a period at the end of the paragraph and those things we go no it's a whole new and a means of communicating it's a it's a it's a new encyclopedia no it's just a new chapter in the same book we only get one book right before I ask these final questions, I want people to go to

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um this first one is about significance because we mentioned significance and everything has significance but not everything is significant yeah i what you said. I'm going to butcher this, but something like 20 years ago, one of the things that most kids grew up wanting to be was like an astronaut. Now, the number one thing is a YouTuber or like an influencer. And it just seems like the youth wants fame and success and influence more than ever before. Essentially wanting significance, right? Wanting to be significant and significance. Yeah. What is your thoughts on fame, you know,

having been famous for a long time now and experienced probably the juice of it, the pleasures of it, and also some of the stuff that's not so nice. Sure. What is your thoughts on fame that you want people to know, whether in their youth or at any stage of it, the pleasures of it, and also some of the stuff that's not so nice. Sure. What is your thoughts on fame that you want people to know, whether in their youth

or at any stage of life, on what it is, what it isn't, and how to manage it when you got it? Sure. Fame. Before you go,

I want to be famous, which is a great ambition. Fun. I'm famous. I'm glad. I'm out, I'm out, I'm glad. It's the access it's given me. And it's definitely in the black in my life. It comes with it's harder and short challenging things

like loss of anonymity. I don't meet strangers anymore. I do something, say say something it's out there i can feel the energy of the world whether it's pro or con how they what they think about it whether it's true or whether it's not whether it's completely or whether it's valid um but don't say before you say when you're famous that let's find a table that scoot that over. For what? We all wanna be relevant. I do.

You? Better damn sure ask yourself relevant for what? What do you wanna do really well? What do you wanna do? You have an innate ability? What do you want to do? Do you have an innate ability for that you're willing to work for that maybe you can become an expert on? Maybe you're just really good at winging it. But what do you want to do that could give you fame? But fame without an understanding

of a structure of a competence of a skill in my experience is a real sort of vapid mirage of a moving target

because there's you know the old word 15 minutes of fame there are fads that come in and out all the time that are very seasonal we could do heat seek and chase them and we do all the time i got nothing against that but understand that that may not be lasting and and when you are going to do something that you think, oh, this is going to get me more likes or give me some fame. Just check in with yourself and go, well, if that goes out of fashion or if in 10 years, as far as you project, 20 years, 30 years, 40 years, am I going to still feel like I will stand by that? Just measure yourself. Give yourself a little projection before you go. Because we can do stuff right now

to get famous that we will absolutely regret tomorrow. But tonight, we're going to be famous, baby. Have a little sense of delayed gratification and project forward of what the possible consequences of what you're doing to get attention and fame will be.

And bet on yourself. Just bet on yourself because the best way, if we can, is to build something and be competent at something where even if it goes out of style, it will be looked back and going, nope, that person did that really well that's what they were known for and even though we don't do that anymore things have changed the medium has changed when that was happening that person did it was doing it well so ask that because we're tempted

and we're rewarded for a lot of things that can make us famous that are going to give us a proverbial hangover one day. Check in with those things. All right? It's a slippery line. It's very tempting. But give yourself enough credit. Give yourself more credit to go, is this who I really am?

Is this who I want to be? Am I doing this because I love it and I'm good at it? Or am I doing this because I think it could get a lot of attention, even though I don't believe in it, even though I'm going to probably deal with it later. Don't, hold on. Don't,

don't, don't press it yet. Don't do it. Hang on. Time is more on your side than you think. so just watch what you put out and also things was like and i'm leaning back into social media that we just with simple reminders for all of us adults and our children just remember those things you say those likes and those dislikes, they're going to outlive you. They're going to outlive me.

They're going to outlive all of us. They will be on our record. They will be on our great, great, great, great, great, great grandchildren's record. Just think about it a little bit. Just have a little touch. Just take a little inventory before you go. And a follow up to that. What's the number one skill you wish you would have either learned or mastered before, you know, becoming really famous?

The number one skill. To be able to manage it or, you know, navigate it. or navigate it? That number one skill for me would have been, and I did learn this about five years in my career, but preparation. I had a run early on my career

where I thought I could just, I was better if I just winged it. Like, oh no, if I get prepared, I'm getting too mental. I'm thinking too much. I'm getting too him-less-ing. I'm getting, no, no, no. I'm an instinct. All'm thinking too much I'm getting too hemless and I'm getting no no no I'm an instinct

alright and I embarrass myself really in a movie in a role and I one of the most regretful things I've ever done

it's so embarrassing and I learned preparation on that day and I still prepare and I prepare so I can have freedom so I can wing it

so I can throw a chunk of the script away and go let's dance call audibles game time they didn't play the defense so I can have freedom, so I can wing it, so I can chunk the script away and go, let's dance, call audibles, game time. They didn't play the defense we thought they were, we're reading the defense, chunk the playbook, here's what we're running.

Then it's really fun. But that comes, you can only do that if you've prepared the right way, your playbook or your roadmap, whatever it is. And I didn't understand that early. Luckily, I figured it out and I still got to work. Sure, sure. I've got two final questions.

That was a follow-up, so I'm adding two more real quick. The Art of Living. Make sure you guys go there, lhliving.com. Go sign up. It's free. Be there. Invite a few friends. You're going to have an amazing time.

I want to acknowledge you, McConaughey, for not half-assing it. I know it's something that your dad talked about. If you're going to go on this dream, this career, this path, don't half-ass it. And I love the nod you added at the end of your book about not half-assing it. So I really acknowledge you for not half-assing it in every stage and season of life that you've gone after. And I really acknowledge you for how you've been able to be successful and also have a really beautiful marriage and be a beautiful father. And I know you talk about how you have C's in lots of these areas you talked about, not A's.

Yeah. But the fact that you keep living the way you do and showing up with your heart, open-hearted in service to people. I really acknowledge that for you, Matthew, for your willingness to want to teach constantly and at the same time being a student of life. Thank you. I'm trying.

I'm trying. I said I ain't making A's and all, but I'm trying. As you know, part of that's the deal. If we can get the right playbook and just keep getting back in the game each day. We ain't going to get there. We ain't going to get to the ta-da moment of, oh, I got it all figured out. That ain't happening. But if we can see how far along we can get while we're here.

Amen. I asked you this question before. So these final two questions, I'll ask them quickly. The first one is called my three truths question. I asked you this before. If people want to see what those are, we'll have linked up the previous interview. We can see and compare your last interview, what your three truths were to today, a couple of years later. A lot has happened in the last couple years.

And here's the question. You get to live as long as you want. You get to continue to create, make art, write books, do programs, movies, everything you want to do, you get to do.

Forever? For as long as you live, but then the lights go out at some point. Okay. When they do, not like, you're not saying like, if you live forever.

No, no. You're going to live for as long as you want okay you know another 50 100 whatever years however long you can extend your life okay then one day you've got to turn off the lights i'm pretty sure yeah and um and you create and accomplish everything let's say you got another list of 20 goals that all happen you know just like you did in 1992 yeah but for whatever reason all of your work all the movies and books and content is gone gone hypothetical okay gone gone no one has access to it in this world anymore ever but you get to leave behind three truths with the world and this is all we would have of your wisdom

three lessons three truths that you're rolling. Is the camera rolling right now? We're not taking the time out before this answer? I get to come back and write this one in on an email? Oh my goodness. Three truths.

Whatever is... I answered this before last time? You did answer this before. Can you tell me what I said? I'll tell you afterwards. Oh jeez. Three truths. Whatever's on your heart

or your mind right now. Three truths. When in doubt, make a sense of humor, your default emotion. Don't make a straight line, crooked. And... Loving your kid's mama. and loving your kids mama is one of the best things you can do as a parent final question what's your definition of greatness

greatness greatness greatness What's your definition of greatness? Of greatness. Greatness. Greatness. Par excellence. What is greatness? Not perfection. Greatness.

Pursuit, capture, and proof at the highest mortal level. Yeah, I like that one. That's good. What did I say? Can I remember that one? Pursuit, capture, and proof at the highest mortal level. You want to say it one more time? Yes.

Pursuit, capture, and proof at the highest mortal level. Amen. I'll go with that. All right. Is there anything that's on your heart that you want to finish with? Anything that you want to share? Just this event that we're going to do for free.

Please come join us and bring who you want. It should be, I don't think I'll say too many cuss words, but I think you can bring your kids to it and everything. It's going to be,

we're going to talk about life, man. We're all trying to figure this thing out, aren't we? And we're all here. And the difference between saying we're stuck in it or we're saying, no be we're going to talk about life man we're all trying to figure this thing out aren't we and we're all we're all here and then difference between saying we're stuck in it or we're saying no we're on the ride and we're driving it's about you know life's going to happen to us but we can also we also have our hands on the wheel and that's what we're going to talk about how our hands will especially at this time in life after coming out of this disruptive time with covid the last three or four years where all of our life was sort of disrupted. We were in limbo. It's time to make some choices and we can make choices to have a solid step forward

on where we want to go because we can now see further than we could in the last four years. So that's the timing of it as well. So look forward to seeing you there. We'd love to have a hoot of a time. Matthew, thanks so much, man. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Thank you, man. Yes. I hope today's episode inspired you on your journey towards greatness make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a rundown of today's show with all the important links and if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me as well as ad free listening experience make sure to subscribe to our greatness plus channel on apple podcast if you enjoyed this please share it with a friend over on social media

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