The School of Greatness - Michael Bublé: How He Overcomes Self-Doubt Daily & The Ugly Truth About Fame

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

Michael Bublé drops his mask in this raw conversation, revealing how becoming a father at the peak of his career completely rewrote his definition of success. The Grammy-winning artist who's sold 75 million records admits he's "failing miserably" at being present while simultaneously choosing family over fame at every turn—a decision that's cost him millions but given him everything that matters. He opens up about his stage alter ego, his unshakeable faith, and why the moments his kids will never remember are actually his greatest achievements. This is what it looks like when someone figures out how to stay human while staying on top.Pre-order It's Time (20th Anniversary Deluxe Edition)In this episode you will:Discover the counterintuitive truth about why choosing family over career actually makes you better at bothTransform your relationship with criticism by understanding how sensitivity can be your greatest professional assetBreak through the myth that you need to sacrifice everything for success by seeing Michael's real-world blueprintMaster the art of maintaining authenticity in a world that rewards performance and personasUnlock the power of individual impact and why one kind act can change someone's entire life trajectoryFor more information go to https://lewishowes.com/1827For more Greatness text PODCAST to [phone]More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Josh Groban  – greatness.lnk.to/1818SCThe Jonas Brothers – greatness.lnk.to/1794SCMichelle Obama – greatness.lnk.to/1767SC Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy!Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome back, everyone, to the School of Greatness. Very excited about our guests. We have the inspiring, the funny, the very talented Michael Boubley in the house. My man. Good, Louis. Good to see you, brother. Man, it's nice to be home. Nice to be with you.

Good to see you, man. Nice to see you, too. There's so many young artists out there that are great musicians or singers or performers or artists in general who have such incredible talent, but they're missing something. Like, they're missing something from breaking through. What's the thing that usually great artists are missing for? from where they are, when you're like, you've got the talent, but you're missing something.

What is that missing that a lot of them have to get that opportunity, that break through that next level? I don't know, because I can't break through. You tell me. You can't break through? Listen, dude. You've broken through it. I was driving yesterday, and I was listening to,

I think it's 103.5. Is that what it's called? KT.K. I'm not sure. L.A. L.A. station. And the DJ, said, love this song, not sure why it wasn't a bigger hit.

This is Michael Bouble. Come on. I will, I'll never not love you. And my wife was striving. And my wife looked at me. And she was like, she goes, what do you think? And I was like, my heart was like, oh. And I was like, my heart hurts.

And I was like, I wrote a great song. That song was written with Michael Pollock. Michael Pollock wrote flowers for Miley Cyrus. And this is a hit song. Damn, we wrote a hit song. And you know what? I made a music video where I spent a ton of dough and the music video was my wife and I going through our, and it was a sequel.

This music video was a sequel to the music video for Haven't Met You Yet that I had made with my wife. You know what? And I was like, I have a hit song. I was like, I'm going to make this music video and people will remember that haven't met you video and then when they see this that it ends and the surprise ending of this i'll never not love you music video is that it's this it's part two they're going to go crazy like i was like this going to be a hit i'm going to have a huge hit i got a big record company you know what i got lots of

support this is going to be big for me like how could it not um and it's funny man i listened to the song on the radio yesterday on coast it's cold coast and i was like uh i was like this is good man And my wife was like, well, why it wasn't in a hit? And I said, like, I don't know. Wow. I said, I don't know. Maybe, I don't know. Can I blame?

It was it my fault for spending so much on a music video and not using that money to do online marketing because I'm too old and stupid to know that that's how it's done now. And people told me, by the way. They said, hey, do more TikTok. Do more days. Yeah, don't do it. And I was like, but I can't do more TikTok because my TikToks, they've don't go out to like that you know what I mean like they're reaching the people I have but

they're not reaching other people yeah and uh you know what I mean like it's so you're the answer is I don't know dude and it's not working for me man like I put out stuff and you're like this is a hit and it doesn't go like hire dude Derek Huff we did a music video together I love the music video with Haley too yeah it was great music video all the things and by the way I wrote that with Ryan Tatter and uh we won the Grammy it's great song didn't do shit But it's still, that's a dream for any artist to be able to hit a Grammy and do hundreds of millions of downloads. I understand, but it didn't.

It didn't reach billions. It didn't, it's not, listen, if you asked people in my record company or my management. But you're thinking about it. If you ask him and go, was it a hit? They go, nope. On a different standard that you guys have. But any artist. Well, you were asking me about being successful, right?

Breaking through. I'm not breaking through. I'm not breaking through. You've broken through, though. You've broken through, your sellout. arena tours, you're on the voice, that's breaking through. And you've been broken through for 20 plus years. I guess it never, it never.

I hear you on the, the songs hearing, I get it, I get it. You've broken through personally in a massive way. Yeah. And most people will never break through who have talent. I don't know. Like, and they ask me, people ask me all the time. I'm like, I don't understand, I don't understand, I don't understand how it works. I don't understand with all the options that we have, why someone,

blows up or what then i get it's even deeper then i'm like okay so your song blew up now what do you have a do you have a follow song do you have a follow song or more importantly um do you have a sustainable business model that you can you like i feel like if you can sell two seats today and two seats tomorrow even just that two seats a day like there's a sustainable business but how how does that young person there used to be like dude when I was coming up that's what I did I played clubs I played clubs I played restaurants and bars for 30 people yeah yeah anything but you know what I could go and they would pay me 120 bucks and I could 250 bucks and I could pay a couple side man and get you know my trio and it's not there so now

it's like the voice listen to me I love you the voice but you should not that should not be where people have to come to get their break like the voice is a really is it's lovely but what is she experience for any like no musician should ever have to come out on stage with someone's back facing them you know thank god we're not judges you know the other show is judges oh my god i would be a judge thank god we're coaches where it's like we don't need to give them critics critique critiques that we can just say how can we help you i'm curious about you how do you deal with criticism when you put all your money heart and soul into a new song a new album a new project and you think this is a hit but for whatever reason in your interpretation it has it doesn't break

the goals that you wanted to break how do you deal with criticism in your career and not take it personally i do take i just i will sometimes i'll just right here I'll bite right there and I'll just cry. I was like, wasn't he going to show me something here? I was like, what is this? Do you take it personally? Does it hurt you, though? Of course it does.

It sucks. Yes, you want to be, I want to be loved, man. Everybody wants to be loved. And by the way, I'm really good at what I do because I'm insecure, because I'm sensitive. Like, dude, I will look out to that arena and there's 15,000 people, but I'm not playing to the 14,999 that are great. I'm looking at that one dude who's like, who's on his phone or who's not, yeah, yeah. And it's like, that, that's me.

And I'm like, I want to break that guy. I'm going to break that guy. You know what I mean? I'm going to break that guy. And that, I'm sensitive. By the way, I'm the same way at the dinner table. If you take me and hang out with your buddies and I feel like there's a silence or there's someone who's not comfortable, I can't handle it, man.

I got to make sure that, like, everyone's feeling good. Everyone's feeling good. and like, that's plan, you know? And my wife tells me that I have a problem with boundaries. She tells me that people take advantage of me, that I'm too kind, and that I can still be kind, but that I need to. You need to be kind but firm, like your voice friend.

And I'm like, yeah, like Riba. And I'm like, yeah, but it's just not me. You know, I try my best man, but it's, yeah, dude, it's just, I get, of course I get hurt, but I don't. I want every, you know, and it's funny, I look at my son, my son Noah, my oldest, and it's like, I look at him and I'm like, oh, dude, you're me. I'm like, you're me, dude, you are, you know, and he'll say things like, no, I didn't and then this kid's such a me and I was going to punch him in the head.

And I'm like, I'm like, I'm listening to him like, you are going to have a punch him in the head. You know, you love to talk tough. And it's one of those things where, and then I would have said and I could have said. But you didn't. I'm like, no, you didn't. You didn't. You're just like me.

Instead, you said something nice and tried to de-escalate. And then you walked away and went, Oh, kill him. Yeah. It's just me, man. Yeah. It's just me. So how do you stay present with four kids, your wife,

who all demand your time and attention in a beautiful way, not in a negative way? How do you stay present with continue to strive to accelerate your career and strive to flourish and develop your family life at the same time? I am failing miserably. miserably you know because I'm not as present as I should be and I'm so ambitious and I work so hard that I'm on my phone too much and I'm thinking too much and I'm working too much and so there's that part of it that's definitely negative you know it's like I wish that I could put my phone down more I wish that I could and weirdly

at the same time I'm also I also think it's a positive thing that my children can watch their dad work his ass off. Like, for me, words are so cheap. And, you know, you want your kids to exercise? We'll go to the treadmill. Get on the treadmill every day. And, like, they see you do it, they'll do it, you know? And it's like, I want them to know that being ambitious

and working hard is a positive thing. Like, and by the way, mom is way better at taking that time and really putting her phone down. But mom works hard too. My wife, my wife is, not only acting but she's producing and she's putting together these films and she's writing some of the films and like um and so she just does it better than i do you know but um i am not ready to stop you know it's important to me my my career the the creative process whether it's me

making a a record or a movie or writing a song it still fulfills me so much um that I have to do it or I'll be unhappy and if I'm unhappy probably my wife will be unhappy and if we're unhappy the kids will be unhappy so I'm doing my best man it's interesting because yeah we you know I'm gonna be a dad in a few months because you don't know right now exactly think you know exactly but so it's shifting in certain ways already because I'm I didn't tell you this before but I'm pursuing the Olympics to play in the Olympics for a sport for a sport called team handball which you probably never heard of it's kind of like water polo on a basketball court yeah i know exactly no water

yeah yeah i've seen it yeah okay it's big in the olympics big in europe yeah but i've was on the pretty big court too yeah bigger court than a basketball court yes yeah like kind of soccer with your awesome yeah it sounds exactly like i would want to go and hang with my dudes and get wasted and play it's fun it's fun and so the reason i'm saying this is because i've been planning to go back and forth from spain to l.a to play professionally to get back on the u.s.a national team to go to the Olympics, which is here in three years in LA. Mm-hmm. And I'm already starting to be like, oh, I can't go as much when I'm a dad.

You know, and I need to really figure out the time, I can't be gone for six weeks. Maybe I can be gone for 10 to 12 days. So it's already learning how to... I love hearing you talk about this. You know what I love? Well, no, what I love is that you have this sort of plan in your head. Which is all going to go away probably. No, no, no.

Because you just don't know what you're talking about. I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to tell you you're wrong about all of it. I'm sure I am. Oh, you're complete. No, it's not what you're saying. It's how you're saying it.

Tell me. Give me some advice. Because you're, you've got the career. Because exactly what you said was, you know, I know that I should go for this long and then I should, and this is because I shouldn't be gone for more than this. So how do you do it? How do you do it? Here's what you're not understanding. Give it to me.

You're not going to be, you're not going to want to be gone for that long. Yeah, exactly. And that's where this is all going to turn to for you because what you haven't, which you can't know, because you haven't meant. know because you haven't met the love of your life yet and that little girl or that little boy will be the greatest thing that ever happens to you in your life you have no idea because it's impossible to know it's like telling someone what jumping in a pool of water feels like if they've never felt water in there you know you are about to fall in the deepest way and you are not going to want to go away for that long and by the way the older that little meat popsicle gets

the less you're going to want to go away. You're going to miss them when you don't see them for hours. Forget about. Days, weeks. And I want to go and do this. You're going to want to do all the things. How do you navigate it? You don't.

Your career will fail and suffer in certain ways. But how have you done it? I haven't done it. I'm not as big as I should be. No, I'm not kidding. I'm not. I'm most definitely not. I haven't sold the records I should have.

I haven't. You sold 75 million records. It doesn't matter. I haven't done the amount of tours. I did a lot of that, you know, in a different way before my kids. You were riding 24-7. Riding 24-7. My tours were two months, two-and-a-half months out of time, you know, 52 countries, you know.

Then you come home and you do the TV show and you do the special and you make a, you know, there's whatever. Then you record another album. And now it's definitely, you know, I do the voice because it's awesome to be on TV. and I love the gig, best gig ever. That's cool. You know, like, I love being a part of people's life. Sounds like all cheesy. Like, you don't have to be part of the kids, you know, to help younger.

But really, like, people were there for me, man. It's so cool to invest your time into watching someone else make their dream come true. But it's easy. The voice is easy. Yeah. You get me and Snoop and Reba McIntyre and Nal Horace. No, but we can't, you can't. Can't fail.

That's not that. It's that you can't get us in a room. because we're all busy. Yeah. So you know what? You get five days. It's intense, you know, 12 hours or whatever it is. And then it's done.

But we do it. It's intense. And then we're gone. And Snoop goes off and does this thing and Reeve or I. And so it's a great gig. I do, I love corporate work. You know, I will tour, but it will be in bite-sized pieces. Yeah, man.

How long are you touring at a time right now? I won't go for, I will not go. Usually, dude, it's, so here's how you should tour. If you're, if you're a responsible touring artist and you want to make millions and millions of dollars, not just for you, but for the band of the agency, you should go for at least, without a doubt, a month, at the very least, one month gone, you know, more. It should be more.

It should be six weeks. That's enough to make sure that your crew, your travel, you're not bringing people in and out, you know, everybody's there economically. It's responsible. You maximize it, you know, it's expensive to tour and it's a lot. Um, you know, and then, you know, after that month and a half, then everybody gets their, their week off or their week and a half. And then you're back.

And now you're going to go to the next country. Well, my last two tours were three weeks off, two weeks on, two weeks off, two weeks off, three weeks on, three, you know. So three weeks was the most. The most, dude. And of course, my, my accountant, my dad, my manager, you know, they were going, dude, do you know how much you're leaving off the table? do you know that you know you didn't go to that you could have gone and played two shows in that

country and two and you know you could have gone and played four in london and then four in manchester and i was like no no and so yeah it's hurting me for sure man but i'm i'm just telling you honestly not because this gorgeous camera is on my face but um i will be miserable i'll be miserable really yeah what i need to what to play more shows and make more money or have more power and that's what kids can do for you you know that's what family can do for you and it's funny it's very sweet for me to sit here and watch you and you know and and right now you're you're hearing me and you're trying to process it but it again it's impossible to process you know what

you're gonna want to work you're always gonna want to be fulfilled and you know what you're smart enough to look at your wife and go hey this fulfills you too. I love, you know, she's probably really happy when she's, and she probably complains too, like we all do. And she probably goes, man, I don't want to do this anymore. You know, 15 hours on set and I'm gonna just be, you know what my wife would say to me?

Constantly, she does now. We just came from Argentina, she made another beautiful movie. And she was like, I think I'm done. Really? She's like, I think I'm done. By the way, she's done this in a loop. She said this every two years, right? I'm done.

It's too much. I just want to. And then I'm going to be a mom. It's enough to be a mom. I love being a mom. And then we get home and she's home for four months. She misses it. And all of a sudden, she's sitting there going,

What do I do? I'm just the mom. She's like, this is all I do. I'm just a service to drive them to school and take them to sports. And I'm like, babe, because you're a, you're a beautiful, incredible actress and business woman and I see how much light is in her eyes when she's she's on a day on set and the scenes are intense and challenging and she's tired and I can see how fulfilling it is and I'm the same and you're the same and your wife is the same but both of us have really tried to basically

take it on as best as you can under the situation what advice you have for me then Or what advice do you have for yourself looking back before you had your first child, where you were like, this, I'm going all into my career and this, nothing's going to stop me. Would you have done anything different? You did it right. I did it perfectly. Okay. And I'm doing it perfectly. And, yeah, well, I sell as much or be as big or, no.

But will I ever look back and go, oh, my God, I miss the greatest moments of life? Dude, I've watched so many people that I know in this business and other businesses and they Struggle in there. Well, they missed it, man. They missed the kid, especially the kids at this age, you know, until they're 12 or 13. They were working and kind of hurrying up the whole thing. And then they realized that they searched for, they searched for those feelings and they searched for that. for the joy of you know listen dude my kids won't remember last night

i'm just telling you we watched we watched uh finding dory or whatever the hell it's yeah yeah okay and uh all four of my kids were in our bed between me and my wife um i gave tickled them you know gave them tickles on there they love their hair getting you know and um They'll never remember that. They'll never remember falling asleep in my arms. And they'll never remember that I carried each of them to bed because we make a bed in the room where they can. And for them, they won't.

You know, they'll probably remember family holidays or that time that dad spazzed out when their marks weren't good or whatever. But those are the greatest memories of my life. And they're happening. I don't want to miss it, man. I know I sound all cringy and like I'm being too sloppy and I'm so sure I'm right. I'm so sure I'm right and if I'm wrong, let me be wrong.

But I don't understand people who have kids and don't feel this way. I don't understand it. I almost lost mine. Maybe that changed things, you know, that our son had a diagnosis that we thought we were going to lose them and it made us even more, but that's not even true because I was, before that i was already all in all in man and um you know i just you know my dad said it many times he i asked him his advice dad i'm you know we're pregnant or i don't know my wife what am i don't know what i'm doing and he would just say the same thing to me he'd say he'd say partner

calls me partner my lewis he'd say partner um no one knows what they're doing but i can tell you this He'd say the days, the years are short, but the days are long. Or the days are, excuse me, the days are long, but the years are short. And he was right. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. How could I not get sentimental and emotion about this?

What is the biggest lesson fatherhood has taught you then? Oh, it just changed everything. It changed, changed. It just changed everything. It changed. I mean, listen, man, we're in a world where people are pretty cynical And people will say things like, you know, people don't change. Tigers don't change their stripes.

A leopard never changes its spots. Yeah, you do change, you know. What was the biggest thing that changed about you when you had kids? Oh, my level of empathy, how much deeper my faith got. You know, God, a lot less ego-driven. Really? Yeah. Before it was all about you.

All about me, all about power, career, fame, ego, you know. oh for sure you know for sure now I realize I know it's sad but as I'm about to hit 50 in a few months I'm like man I thought my legacy would be the music I thought it would be the songs I wrote or some kind of you know that at Christmas I mean everybody's you know everybody's let's playlist and and then I realized wow that that's none of it really none of it will be that's no one will remember any of that my My legacy will be how many people feel, not what I said, not what I did. And one day, you know, when I'm gone, people will come to my kids and they'll say, I met

your poppy. Wow. I met your poppy when he was peeing. Of the School of Greatness Show in the bathroom. And the guy that he used to see that was a janitor at Warner Records and your dad was such a nice man. Wow. That's the stuff that will, I mean, that is it, dude. That's all we got, dude, you know, in this lifetime anyway. That's it, man. Because if you're like the most famous singer of all time, but you're a jerk to everyone, that's what people are going to remember.

Not even a jerk. It's like, use your greatness, man. You know, and, you know, before the camera started and you and I were talking about kind of Rolex and branding, I'm so proud to be the face of Rolex. I've been the face of Rolex for however many years. Congrats, man. Yeah, man. But branding isn't the watch you wear. It isn't the drink you have in your hand. It is the consistency of every single relationship, discussion, meeting a dude in the bathroom. And by the way, you don't have to be nice. You can just, you can be a prick. But that's your brand. But if that is consistent. That's your brand. Yeah, man, that's. It's your reputation. What's your reputation is, is your brand. Consistency. It is your reputation. Is that you? You know? And,

And we're allowed to make mistakes and we're allowed to screw up and we're allowed to be young and stupid and do really, we all do it, like all of us. And then we're allowed to grow. And you don't need kids to learn how to do that, you know, sometimes it's just a little bit of age and all that. Did you think about branding growing up when your grandfather was taking you to the jazz clubs and nightclubs? Were you thinking, or were you more just like, how do I be the best singer that I can

be and best artist, performer? Or when did you start thinking, oh, my voice. alone isn't what's going to make me great or successful or reach the goals that I want to reach. I need to be thinking strategically about the business, about relationships, about PR, marketing, branding. I need to be collaborating. Like, did you think about those things?

No. That literally, those thoughts didn't start really affecting me until I would say maybe five or six years ago. Really? Yeah. Come on. When you're 45? No, no, no, no.

stuff you just led with like I've got the greatest voice in the world and I'll just like I'm a good entertainer I love what I do I used to talk about I used to I remember meeting Gordon Ramsey and I was like dude you and me we're the same and he was like what do you mean we're the same and I was like we're both kind of like chefs and we love what we cook you know but more than that I think we love who we cook it for and that's how I thought of myself I was like dude and you know it's weird the only thing I was serious about was and this is going to sound weird as a Canadian Even at like 15, at 14, I love the Great American Songbook.

I love jazz. I love the writers, the arrangers, the orchestrators. I love the musicians. You know, you just said Les Paul. Dude, I would sit and listen to Les Paul and Mary Ford. And I mean, I would, my grandpa used to put these records, and he would have this thing where you could put a record player and tape it onto the cassette.

And then I would, like, find the song, I'd finally, I'm confessing that I love you and I would listen to it like over and over over and over and I would and I was always like so afraid and I would think like man why am I the only one my age that digs this the way I do why are they not hearing how unbelievable this is how can they not even at that age I was like how can they not understand the artistry how do people my age not get this is so good like This is grooving harder than any hip-hop groove I've ever heard. Like, this is melodically, this is genius. This is incredible storytelling. Like, my God, the artistry, the musicianship, the singers, the songwriters. And I was so protective of it that even before I was ever even successful, I was, like, hoping there'd be more people like me.

So every time, like when I met Amy Winehouse for the first time, I was so excited. I remember hearing her, and I was like, oh, my God, she's real. She's authentic. What was that like me and her? Oh, she was awesome. She was, like, she was awesome. She was funny and she didn't think it was going to happen for her.

I met her before, but she'd be. Oh, yeah, yeah. We would do like these weird, like, shoots for like these kind of indie mags and stuff. Really? Yeah. When was this? When did you meet any? Oh, God.

I would be, at that time, I was probably 27. But, so you'd already been, you'd already taken off at that point then. No, I wasn't really, things weren't going so, I mean, people didn't really know who I was till I was 28, 27, 28. But they didn't know, they only knew in the Philippines or like South Africa. You weren't big in America yet. Oh, no, no, no. But I was, so in England, I was like doing, I was doing like, you know, I was signed a Warner

and I would go and do, you know, some like kind of event where they'd have like the up right people of of jazz and it would be me and Jamie Cullum who I'm still in love with Jamie Cullum and how old was Amy then when you met her around probably I'm gonna get well how how she was 27 when she passed I think she was 27 um young she's 20 21 okay like just a kid you know like I mean I was just a kid too you know we go like oh you were 27 but I was um but I was so excited And I remember... Did you guys ever sing together?

No. Oh, my gosh, that would be an amazing clown. And I remember, too, like, there was the guy named Peterson Coddy and a kid in Canada named Matt Dusk. And I just, I remember, like, the producer at the time, this producer I worked with, he would go to me. He'd say, like, hey, man, aren't you worried, like, about those other people? Like, you know what I mean?

That they're going to take the position. Of course, Harry Connich Jr. was before us. And, dude, I was still to this day, man. That's like my... It's great. If I'm wasted in the bus with my dudes and we're going to have, like, a party night, the first thing that goes on is blue, light, red light. One of his great records, he wrote stuff and orchestrated.

And he's a genius, man. Genius. And it's like, he was our godfather, man. He, like, was a big, you know, just this big part of letting us get in. And I remember this producer kept saying to me, hey, man, you know, you got to be the one. And I was like, no, I don't. And he was like, what do you mean? And I don't know why.

But my dad and I. would talk about it. We'd always make the analogy of a furniture shop. And my dad would say to me, hey, Mike, would you rather, would you rather own a great furniture store? You know what I mean? And it sits on the street and you get the people coming by or would you rather have a subculture where you had all these amazing furniture stores and they were all special and different. And It was, you know what I mean, Diana Krall and Lavey and Jamie Cullum and Peterson Cadi and Amy Winehouse in it. You know what I mean?

And Gaga, who I love Gaga too. And it's like, yeah, man, that's how we keep it alive. Like, that's how we keep it alive by building a subculture of all of us doing it in weird in different ways. And then like me going to Snoop, I go to Snoop all the time. And I'm like, dude, you understand, man. You're like, like, you're kind of like Louis Armstrong in a way. where, you know, you bridge the gap between this kind of music

and a brand new generation and my music works with your music. Even though people might think that's weird, they shouldn't. Like, you know, the roots of jazz. The roots of jazz and swing are where your music came from. Right. Like that is, and so when you actually, if you took a stencil and you took, like, gin and juice, I know this sounds silly, man. And you took a stencil.

Break it down for you. Well, man, you took a stencil of gin and juice and you put it out there. And then you took a killer ripping swing song that was just grooving and cooking. And you put them on top of each other, you would find way more similarities than you'd ever find differences. Like, it is the root, man. You know what I mean? It's different stylistically. Sure. But that thing that we love is just swing the boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, it's what it is. comes from rhythmically that soulful, gorgeous place. And so I just love that, I love watching all those things grow together.

And damn, man, I'm a protector of this stuff. Like, I want this to, long after I'm gone, I hope that I can find a young kid who, uh... Things like you. Dude, there's a kid in England that I just wrote on Instagram. I don't remember his name, but I found him like George or something, his name is. He's good, man. Wow.

He's good. And he's too young, but he's just... But he's good. And I'm like, you know what? Six, seven years of the development? I'm going to give him a call. And you know what? Maybe I'll help him produce a record or maybe I'll do something where he can sort of

be the next dude. Maybe you can take a word. I don't know if he's a great entertainer. I don't know what he sounds like live, but I'll go check it out and find out. That's cool. That's cool, man. Like the mom who like brought the kid up on stage with you. Yeah, the little guy Sam, I remember the name or he's like, Sam can sing, right?

You did a whole little intro. Sam couldn't just sing. That night I was, I remember being real. I had done like, I think I'd done. That was one of 12 nights at the, I think it was the O2 or one of those places. In London. Where it was in Manchester. I'd done a lot, though.

I just remember that my voice was crushed. You're like, you come up and sit. Give me a break. It was like, now when I, that'll show up in like my algorithm sometimes. And I'm like, damn, Sam couldn't just sing. He sang that shit better than me. Like, he did. He sounded better than me at that point.

I was like, oh, damn, Sam. Yeah. When was that, do you remember? Dude. I wonder what he's up to now. I don't know. He tried. I think his mom and him tried to go and do some like, you know, but yeah. That's great, man. Hypothetical situation. Let's say you could only do, you can only perform with one person, female and male, still alive. And one female male who's no longer with us. You know, I'm sure you could pick from thousands of people who are all great. But who would you personally want to do a duet with or sing with who's alive still, male and female? and someone who's passed, whether you perform with them already

or you haven't. Oh, babe. And what song would you want to do with each one of them, whether it be your song, their song, a cover of another song, putting you on the spot? No, no, it's a great question. I mean, I think someone dead, I think, would be either, one or two would be either, as a male,

it would be Dean Martin, or it would be Elvis, one of those two. That would be incredible. I think Elvis, us uh it would be what song oh man probably something that would be easy to harmonize too like something like uh i was going to say a ballad but might be more fun to it might be for more fun to sing um to something that swung real hard like uh get uh um i don't know what it's called i don't know what it's called how's it goes i've been searching over mountains I don't the valley too

I've been running all the way baby trying to get I think it's called trying to get to you and man it was just like the guitar just rips and he would be that would be amazing and then Dean I think I think probably everybody loves somebody sometimes because I've always been a huge

Dean Martin's a fan and I think is one of my favorite slungs because of the content the lyrical content, there's a line that I think is so wonderful and romantic. What's that line? It's the last line. Everybody loves somebody sometime, and although my dream was overdue. Everybody, oh God, no, it's the line, if I had it in my power, I would arrange for every girl to have

have your charms then every minute every hour every boy could find what i found in your arms oh my gosh and i thought i always thought that was really so sweet and like so cool and dude the way he delivered it was effortless and he was my favorite and again more of a favorite because of not just because of what he did musically but how in in all the people that i met you know in this business when i heard about how he treated people, that's what I heard. I heard good things. And by the way, the same thing about Elvis. He treated people well. Yeah. Kindness, empathy, you know, humility. Wow. And I didn't hear that about some of the others who I had idolized. You know, so. What about female? Female? That is a great question. It really is. Man, it's a great question.

God, it's hard not to say, it's interesting because it's hard not to say Reba McIntyre for someone who's, you know, who's now because I just, I love her. She is a, you know, people will ask me often about the voice and they'll say like, you know, what's Snoop like? And it's like, hey, you know what? If you, you know, Snoop is awesome. But the gangster is Reba. Really?

Why? because she's like that woman is kind and and she's she's classy and um but she is she is so her she is that's it she's her she's uh she's so comfy in her skin and she's tough if she has to be but always kind she's firm but always fair um she's just so cool man like she's just she's just she's so cool always with a smile always courteous but um you know you don't mess with her nobody messes with riba no way and i like she's she's still it's the greatest i mean what a voice yeah i love country music i mean for me and it's weird i know for people but country music and the great american songbook are like the same thing similar yeah they are they're the same

it's like i when i think about patsy klein or i think about willie nelson or i think about um Hank Williams, I think about Riba, it's like that's the American songbook. I mean, I'm young enough where that probably should be the American songbook. You know what I mean? And country swings too. So alive, probably Riba. I really love her a lot. And she, you know, she's, you know, I just had dinner with her and it's funny because she's the one.

I said like, I said, you know, how are you feeling about everything? And she said to me, she goes, man. I had no idea how hard it was going to be to get here. She said, but if, you know, but she said, but getting here was nothing, nothing close to as hard as it is to stay. We were talking about this before we started the camera that, you know. We were just at sushi and she literally said to me, she's like, staying is hard. You have to.

It's hard to get to the top or make it, right? It's hard to make it whether you're an athlete and you win a championship. or you've got some level of success or a business or an artist. You have a hit song, but it's hard to stay a hit for years. It's like maybe some people do it for a year or two, and then it's hard for them to replicate. How have you been able to do that for 20 plus years? Well, it's interesting.

It's a great, I mean, listen, it's an interesting question because I don't think there's an answer for it. I only say that because I think it really is in the eye of the behold. And I think that, um, um, firstly dead female artist, Keeley Smith, who I knew and I loved. She used to sing with Louis Prima, but if I could go back, well, have Keeley when she was young, and the best. Um, I think that success now is, is relative. Mm-hmm.

And, um, and I mean to say really logistically relative, because, uh, um, I mean to say really logistically relative. Mm-hmm. I can go in tour. I can sell tickets. You know what I mean? I think my brand is pretty good. You got great.

You're the face of Rolex. You've got Brandeels. You're on the voice. You've got opportunities, Christmas. You've got all these things that are crushing. But I don't have 60 million followers. And if you ask my kids, who's more successful? Taylor Swift.

No, not even. It's like you ask my kids, like, if there's like there's a 20-year-old artist out there who has 60 million followers and, and you go like, and my kids are like, dad, we love you, but you're not at that level. You know what I mean? And this business has become very strange. I don't know if you ever have these conversations with musicians, but it's very strange because there's a big difference between successful and perceived. as successful. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. You know, and I know what my manager would say. My manager would say is, dude, listen, look at the statements at the end of the year, Bouble. You're successful. Yeah, yeah. But. There's also a lot of people with a lot of followers that make no money.

Well, that's, but, but they're seen as. Super, super famous. Yeah, yeah. And they really do change culture. You know what I mean? And they have a footprint in the, you know, in the lexicon or whatever. So it's a weird. And there's very few that have both.

There's, there's, there's Taylor Swift, but like, you know, there's, and so it's a weird question. It's like, and by the way, I'm this insecure, you know, I'm like this insecure, and I always will be, like, you know, how come I don't have more followers? Why does my wife have way more followers than me? You know, like, my wife is her, I don't even know what I have on Instagram. My wife has bothered me too. Does she?

Yeah, she's huge in Mexico, yeah. We can't walk around the streets. Same, same. That's exactly. Dude, I hold the camera. Yeah, me too, man. I hold the camera. Yeah, me too, man.

It's mobs. Yeah. Yeah. But here's what you got to start doing. Yeah. Something I did about, actually before I met my wife, we have about a million and a half subscribers on our Spanish YouTube channel. Oh, yeah.

So when I'm in Mexico, a lot of people come up to me who are fans of the podcast in Spanish. Yeah. But I'm like, you got to start doing music in Spanish now. I have, I've done a couple things. things, but yeah, you're right. That's the next level, too. Dude, I love it. Interviews is Spanish, all this.

I love language. You're fluent, right? When you say fluent, how is yours? I can understand a lot. So, I can have a conversation with you, but it's difficult for me with verbs, and conjugation. Mismo. I get lost very easily.

Argentina, Spanish is very different too. My kids will say like, they'll just always make fun of me and be like, It'd be like, why does mom speak such good English, but your Spanish sucks? And I'm like, oh, God. I know. I can understand probably 60, 70%, yeah. Entiendo, 50% when you're able to talk when you ablas lent to me. But I need to, I understand.

And clean, and limpio. Yeah, exactly. But on the voice, they always get mad at me. Why? Because every time a Latin artist comes, I go, hola, my, my amigio, bien-neu, de most. And like, Snoop goes, oh, mother. Because you can do a little bit

If you can do a little If you put me in the street in Mexico You're good I'm good dude I will get where I need to go I can do it off I can get where I need to go But I sound like a baby

Like I went to the barber in Mexico And I'm like okay For 30 minutes we can understand each other But I do not sound good at all My wife always said you talk like a caveman A caveman Yeah exactly I sound like a baby That's cool man

So back to the the fame and success. Yeah. What has money, fame, and success taught you? Oh, God. That it's fleeting. Fame is fleeting, but obscurity is forever. Listen, dude, I still struggle with making sure that I separate who I am from what I do. It's hard to do. There's a reason I never left Vancouver. Like, we were talking about where we live. And, dude, I was very sure that I needed to stay in Vancouver. And I felt like it was because I wasn't strong enough if I had gone to L.A. to live. I probably, you know, not at this point now, but early on I would have got washed into this,

you know, wanting to be cool and be with that group of people and, you know, them bringing me in. And so it was really nice for me to stay in Vancouver with all of my friends that I went to high school with and elementary school with that still treat me like. shit that's funny um that you're in a fantasy football league with that you do if you see my group chat it's just like and it's funny man like um they still they're it's brutal like if you if you showed up in a osco and golfing or something uh-huh if you heard them talk about me you know the amount of just disrespect and like but that's how it should be you love it

yeah well it brings her ego down oh my god that's and it's i never left and so i got my mom and dad live four blocks away. My best friends lives seven houses away. Um, and so, uh, how do you separate your identity? My kids go to the elementary school I went to. That's cool. It's like the same public school. Let's see, you know. Then how do you separate your identity of who you are with the fame, success, and money that you have? Oh, I always, I know it sounds so stupid, but I always, uh, when I'm, even with my kids, no. My kids are like, Poppy, why are you putting, they'll call it the bat suit why are you putting on the bat suit um so your suit when you're on stage suit when i'm on stage and i become him i become that guy and who is that guy oh he's so

cool he's the coolest he's so cool he's the most charismatic he's so charismatic he's so charismatic he's teflon nothing can ever affect him he's funny he's quick he's you know deb and aaron and so all the things that i am most definitely not in real life yeah dude yeah and i told my dude's on the voice. Like, because, you know, like, even the kid that won 26, Sofronio, we would be backstage and he would say, thank you so much, sir. Thank you, Mr. Bubli for helping me. And I said, like, hey, dude, this dude, yes, sir. I'd say, this dude doesn't exist when you get on stage, okay? He'd say, yes, sir. I'd say, no, dude, you're about to become Batman, okay? And he did. Boom. And he performed, and it was like,

really? Yeah, man. So what is that, is that, what is the alter ego for you then? Is it a Batman, imagination or is what is there you have a name for because no it's it's just the alter ego it's like it's for sure it's the alter ego it's like I become because Beyonce's got it Gaga's got it like everyone's yeah yeah you're different when they're not on stage absolutely and for me I guess it's again it's probably about protecting myself in many different ways spiritually mentally you know becoming him on stage I think it's more attractive right to people than an insecure. Then me being, you know, I'm still, I can still be stupid and self-deprecating.

But most definitely, no, it's like, you know, you're, you know. You're him. You're him. You know, listen, me doing the voice, there was a method to the madness. I said no for so many years. My manager was like, listen, you want to make movies, right? And I was like, yeah, I'm an actor. And he said, you want to make, you know, do TV show?

I said, yeah. And it was like, hey, then let's do the movies. because these people know you know you you go on the odd interview or you know the converted come to see you in arenas all over the planet and they know you yeah but a lot of people don't know you interesting and so he was like I think this is a really great chance for people to really get to know you and so your full personality yeah and I was like you know what all right and I had no idea I'd love it so much wow but I think where this is going to is that that's the next step, right, is for me to go now and to, you know, to make movies and

that's the next step, huh? Yeah, that is the next step. It is happening as we speak. And I think it was nice for me to be able to not shock the audience by, you know what I mean, by going into that. It was nice to have that, that nice little bridge. Bridge. That's interesting.

Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. How did you learn about this? this kind of alter ego. Did you... I was always, I was 14 and it was... Really? The alter ego, yeah.

Because I was on stage when I was that young, 15 or 16, whether it was sit-ins at jazz clubs, my grandpa would sneak me in. I was, you know, way under drinking age, which is 19 in Canada. And even then, I had started to build this alter ego. Really? Who I... You know, and the funny part was is that I didn't have a chance to go and see, Bobby Darren or Frank or Dean or any of those heroes.

And so it really, you know, it was, it really came from, from, you know, just sort of failing a lot. And, you know, I probably looked like such a spas. I probably did. Was there like a moment where you're like, I'm going to try something else. I'm going to try to imitate one of my heroes on stage. No, I did, I did Broadway shows too before. People don't know that too. I did, like, I was in a lot of theater.

I did a lot of theater. You know, like I did either, whether they were musical reviews or just straight theater. And so I was sort of fine. And by the way, even vocally. I talked about there's a lot, but vocally, I was like, I didn't know what I sounded like. Interesting.

You know what I mean? Like, I was taking a little bit of Frank and mixing it was a little bit of Elvis and Elephist Gerald's vibrato and a little bit of the way that Bing would drop his up of Gladys and, you know, Dean, the way he would, everybody loves somebody

sometimes he would do these little flips with his voice and you know and then I would go and listen to the ink spots and I would go oh I like the way

that he sings in his head voice if I didn't care and I would steal all of these and I talk about this too much but it's the truth I would like mix it together how did Frank wow Frank why does he sound so good

when he sings And I've got to under my skin. Oh, he's really hard on those. I've got you. Those ews and ewes and the vowels. And I would like just impersonate all these different people. And Sarah Vaughn and Peggy Lee and the way that Louis Armstrong would sit way behind the beat. And then I just become just this probably really bad impersonator of all these

depending on the song or this stuff. And then all of a sudden, one day it was like, oh, no, now I found this, you know? Wow. So. I love how you just explained your whole life. I still do it too, dude. It's funny.

I watched Chris Martin in this, I can't remember what song that was he written, but he did this interview and he was like, how'd you write the song? He was like, oh. Is this where he's on the piano talking about it? Yeah, he's like, I did this impersonation of, was it, I think it was Neil Young. that he was like, I did this impersonation of Neil Young,

how I thought Neil Young would do it. And I was like, holy shit, Chris, that's what I did. Like, that's it. Like, oh, so you basically started to become him, and when you did, that's where, you know what I mean? That's where the song. And so even today I do it. Like, I was writing a song, I just wrote like a holiday song

called Maybe This Christmas last year. And I was on the guitar. And I'm a terrible guitar player, but I was sitting in my room and I was feeling no pain, you know. And I started, I wrote, so I played the first chord and I was like, oh, I know that it is. I was like, I've been running all my life. But I didn't do it as me.

Who did you do as? I did as Willie. So I was like, how? Because it sounded real country. And I went, I was running all my life. I've been trying to get it right. And I did this bad, it's bad. But, uh, send a man laying a thing, uh, and it was like this bad Willie Nelson.

But when I, when I did it and I sort of thought, what, how would I do this? Um, and it just happened. And it was like the song came together and I was like, this is perfect. But you do. You become these people, these influences. Wow. Yeah. I've only got a few final minutes with you teams letting me know. We've got to get you off to the next press thing you're doing. It's not a pressing. you know what i'm doing what's that my wife is uh i want to say the most frugal she's but frugal our money yeah yeah yeah and i said to her like she's got all these red carpet she's just made a

man she just made a movie that's so good it's not out yet but she we're gonna have spanish movie right spanish movie it's a true story and she like anyway she i'm when she's gonna win a bunch of awards and i'm gonna have to go to a bunch of red carpets and she needs to look good to close She needs looks, right, red carver looks. And she was like, don't worry, I'll just go to wherever. And I was like, no, we should get a stylist. And she was like, do you know how much they cost together? A lot.

So I'm going home and the stylist has pulled a bunch of stuff for all these red carpet things. For you both? No, for her. Okay. And she's going to, and I know her so, it's like we've told the stylist, like, please put away this pipe because she'll look at stuff and she'll be like, I hate it.

And it's like, you don't hate it. You hate it because the price is so. The price is high, and she's protective of, it's not cheap. She's just protective of, so that's what I'm doing. That's cool. We have it. What time is it right now? It's time to get you out of here.

It's 1248. Yeah, so 1 o'clock they're going to be at the house. Don't worry, though. She'll be fine. We'll be fine if she doesn't look for the price tax. She can get started without you. Yeah, I see. But I have a few final questions for you because I do want to respect your time and your wife

and don't want you to be too late. What do you think is the biggest thing holding you back from being the next? level of you as either a person in your career in all areas. Oh, nothing now. Nothing. I'm in such a good place, man. I like me. That's good.

You know, I'm comfy. That's good, man. Good of my skin. That's great. I think I probably sound better than I ever sounded. I am. On interviews or actually on stage? No, like music-wise, I'm very confident.

And you know, what's really weird, too, is that I've come to this place where you know man i have a friend he always says to me cool is as cool does and you know so many people are trying to be cool and they're real worried about looking cool and i think i've hit this point where you know i'm like man i don't think it's cool to try to be cool i think it's cool to be comfy in your skin and you know what i mean and yeah it might sound all cringy but we are in a cynical world where you know you're about to bring you know children in and um if i'm not part of the solution of making it a better brighter sweeter kinder place than i'm part of the problem and so i'm good with i'm good with just doing what i do i'm good i'm very good like so yeah nothing's keeping me from it

you know you've got uh i've got two final questions but you've got uh 20 year anniversary of your album coming out yeah you got the voice which is out you got you know great content on social media i think you're going on tour later this year a little bit for one week at a time maybe or something i'm doing a little tiny things little stuff here and there uh where can people connect to really be involved in your world more and really see what you're up to and from the album to the voice like how can they support you uh they don't need to support me you know they don't need to they've already done that it's funny man i just went on a Disney cruise. I saw the post about that. Yeah, man. That's awesome. And I, my friends are

Antarctica, is that what? Was it Antarctica or where did you? It was Alaska. Alaska. I was thinking of Antarctica. My friends, some of my friends in the business called me. They were like, are you, are you an idiot? They were like, why? You went on a Disney cruise? Like you, just you and your family? And I was like, yeah. And they were like, they were like, did people make you crazy? And I was like, no. I was like, I did a lot of pictures. And they were like, But did you get to like enjoy? Do you enjoy it? And I was like, yeah, and I said the truth.

I was like, those people, I made a million pictures. But without those people, I never could have afforded to go on a Disney cruise. It's expensive. Expensive, man. Yeah. And so it's like, yeah, I could have done it without all those people. You know, it's funny. I've tried lately because I was so, I'm old. Like, I'm not old, old. You look young, man. I'm not old in that way.

I was old and like, like, 10 years. 10 years or eight years ago, everyone was like, you really should concentrate on your social media. And I was like, social media, no one's ever going to watch social media, you know? And so, but now I have this like really, I'm, I love connecting with people through it. You know what I mean? Whether I'm an idiot on TikTok or I'm, right, or I'm like, you know,

like I had like my favorite post that I made, I think of the last forever was I said, And I said, it's time to go back in the studio. I was like, it's time to go make another record. And I was like, so even though everyone tells me not to poll, I was like, I want to know. I was like. Do people want me to? I was like, what do you want to hear? Oh, what'd they say?

Weirdly, I actually, and I'm not usually this like professional, but I actually, someone in my office went and broke down. There was, I don't even know how many thousands of responses through Facebook and all, because they shared the poster everywhere. this massive percentage said we want jazz we want swing but can it be originals in that in that style and I was like I was like this is amazing why why why come I'm not doing this more and so I think more and more I'd love to um you know like it's not I don't like I don't know I don't I know I have a lot of friends that have like the team you know what I mean they're the team is doing it and I like doing it. I don't love a team doing it because every time I do it, it just feels like it's off brand and it,

something's weird about it, even if we can't articulate why it didn't work. So, I mean, that's where we meet now. Before I go on tour, I got to meet there. I got to go to Instagram and Facebook and whatever and TikTok and wherever the

hell else you're supposed to go. Yeah, yeah. Well, make sure you follow Michael on on Instagram for sure. You got great stuff there, man. My page is Louis Santa Lipp. Pilato.com.

My God, my wife is so hot. Let's be honest, they're going to follow her more than they ever follow me. I would, too. I'm going to have to connect our wives at some point, because I'm sure they'll do a Spanish movie together or something. Without a doubt, my wife would be thrilled. You know, it's funny, too. I think that they would, I think my wife would love to connect with someone who may be able to understand better than anyone else exactly.

what we're, she's feeling, what she's talking about. Yeah, it's funny before we get to the last two questions, my wife was like, she's made 40 movies. She's, her last one was number one on Amazon two weekends ago. Last year was number one on Netflix, the movie that she wrote and produced and the start, all this stuff. She's like, I don't need to make more movies for a couple years. I just want to be a mom, you know, but I'm already like, she's already got opportunities coming to her like the end of next year. I'm like, okay, be a mom, yes. And you don't know, you can do both. That's exactly. You know, it's like, you don't have to make movies nonstop. Yes.

But you can figure out a way to do both. We'll make it work. And you see her happy, right? Or she's like thrives, man. Yeah. She's writing still. She's pregnant. She's like loving the creative process.

So anyway. Same as my wife. It's the same thing. Okay, two final questions. I got to get you out of here. Before I ask them, I want to acknowledge you, Michael, for your authenticity, man. Just being truly who you are and being open and vulnerable and honest about all the stuff, the insecurities, the highs, the lows, everything you've been up to.

Thanks, Lewis. think it's really cool that you've been able to be yourself for 20 plus years in this industry where most people lose themselves. I think a lot of people, you see them doing things. You're like, is that, did they do that for attention? Is that really them? Maybe it got a lot of likes or followers or some type of financial opportunity for them, but start to see them going off a little bit. And I want to acknowledge you for being consistently who you are as a father, as a husband, family guy first through your career and not burning yourself out not doing press every day not doing touring every day but i saying this is my dream life and it's okay if i'm not number one at everything of

every moment i'm always on tour in front of the biggest audiences because the real value comes in when you're watching dora the explorer with your four kids in bed and that's what you're going to remember the most and your kids are going to remember that, even if you don't think they will. And so I acknowledge you for being a great dad, showing up for them imperfectly the way you do. And doing it your way, man. Thank you.

Not to take Frank's words, but doing it your way throughout this journey. And I know that you're going to continue to be a massive success for decades to come as long as you do it your way. Thank you. So I acknowledge you for that. Thank you.

I've got these two final questions. This is called the three truths questions. So it's a hypothetical scenario. Imagine you get to live as long as you want, but it's your last day on earth. And hypothetically, you've got to take all of your work with you. So no one has access to your songs or movies or anything you ever make, hypothetical. And for whatever reason, on the last day, you get to leave behind three lessons that you've learned with the world. I call it three truths.

And this is what we would get to be reminded of you by, these three lessons. What would be those three lessons for you that you would share with the world? Ah, the three lessons? And maybe you'd share it with just your family and we would get to hear it too, but what would be those three truths for you? I think the three truths, one of them would be that to try as best you can to live with an attitude of gratitude. Let's go. Honestly, this life is very quick. and um you know being grateful i think is is healthy um second i would say that i would hope to impart that

individually human beings have so much power we feel small we feel like we're alone we feel like we're helpless or or at least that we can't help but you have so much power just as an individual And I mean, it doesn't have to be big. You just walk out of your apartment, your house, and it is one kind, random act. It's telling, it's saying good morning. It's telling someone you like their shoes. You have no idea how much you can impact

and change somebody's life, you know? And three, try to be as honest with yourself as possible. Because it's easy to lie. to people but it's even easier to lie to yourself and i think i can put myself in a position to know that if it was the last day on earth i would hope that as i sat there alone with my own thoughts that i would be able to know as my eyes were about to close and nothingness was coming that i even through all my flaws those are faults, I liked myself. That's beautiful.

You know, I carried, I spread the good word and carried that love of God in my heart and pass that on to my babies. I've got one final question. That was beautiful. I might have to have you back on in the future. Okay, let's go. Done. Listen, off, you can edit this.

For sure, we are going out for dinner. The wives are going to hang. We're going to sit there, love this, and speak Spanish. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll try to listen. Let's go. I can't wait to hear them. I'm deeply interested.

And honestly, I wonder what they're going to come up with. I'll bet you, I will bet you right now. They'll make a movie together or something. I bet you a million bucks they're going to do something together. It will be featured in the movie. Because my wife has all of those movies on Amazon, Netflix, all the same things you're talking about. For Argentina. They probably know the same people outside there.

Yeah. Absolutely. Gosh, the only thing I really wanted to dive into more was faith about your faith, but we don't have time for it. but we don't have time for it. So I'm going to have to do it another time. Or maybe this would be a private conversation that I'll share another time with the audience because I did want to know about how your faith plays a role. Well, before we go, why don't we just say something?

Okay. Because I think... Try to be respectful of your time. No, no, no, no. I just think it's hugely important for me. Yes. How is your faith impacted you? Well, it's everything.

We talked about priorities. And, you know, that is number one. That's ahead of the kids. It's ahead of my life. It's ahead of my life, my business. business number one is faith number one is faith what is your relationship with god like great you really nice personal relationship um I'm a failure in every way um but uh I it's funny man I was in bed last night and I was like even in my own

self I was like in my heart I was like God I love you so much you know like I I know I know I'm so imperfect God I wish I was better but um I was like God if I if I if I if I this was the like this happened tonight and i didn't wake up i love i love that connection i love it so much i love that i i share it with my children um i love it that my wife that her faith was so strong that when i was wavering that she and i love that i i can feel this and have this without ever making people feel puky about it because i can't i have a hard time with people that smush it in your face and and like so much of what when we talk about faith there's so much it must just cringe because i go they're not there there's no faith there they're hiding behind

their faith and they think because they go to church on Sunday but they're horrible people doing horrible things that's not faith you know just because you say you you know whatever you know that's you know you know that's all living in it you live it man are you living it or you're not living it because um and then there's this other thing like i i uh i watched matthew mccane he's great and i was like how cool and this inspired me then no joke and it's the reason why i know i'm turning people off sometimes i know it man when you talk about your faith yeah man i know that there's um but you're turning a lot of people like i'm not going to get onto the top 200 jazz dudes in rolling stone because i'm not cool like how could why i'm not cool he's this like god-loving dude like

Yeah, you're not drinking an alcoholic, you're not doing drugs. By the way, just so you know, I'm doing all those things. Yeah, yeah. I really am. I mean, I'm not perfect. Yeah. But I love my God, man. Yeah.

That's, you know, and like, and then I, like, and you know, by the way, just so you know, too, every single show of the voice, when it was me, Gwen, Snoop, Reeves, even, now and now we don't step out to that stage without holding hands really all together all together all praying together all play together who leads it uh sometimes me sometimes snoop sometimes wow yeah and uh you know what i mean never push it on people just like hey let's you know what hey give us the power right now to come out and help these young people and and spread the light and a good word of love and empathy and kindness and goodness and uh and and and you know what and and and maybe lead people towards it

so they can feel this way in their in their tummy, you know, or whatever. And like, so when I was talking about Matthew Connay, that was like, I remember watching and going like, this dude is putting himself out there. And there's somebody right now, because it's weird how you can say, and nobody blinks and I, but if you say, hey, praise God, that's great, God is great.

People are like, oh, it's like, I always found that weird. I was like, so I love that we, you and I have this great platform And I don't care if someone watches this. And they go, you know what? I feel the way I feel, whatever. I don't care if they're Christian or Catholic or Jewish or Muslim or whatever they are.

And they go, you know what, I have this, I love my personal relationship with my God, the universe, whatever you want to call it. And you know what, that talk that I watched Lewis and Mike have, I can say that. I can, you know what, when my friends ask me or I'm out at dinner, I'm not going to be afraid to, you know, to say it.

to put you know my cards down and say yeah yeah i got a good strong faith because it's weird for me we're in a world where dude you know i have a great pastor that great pastor pastor pastor dave hey and uh he did a sermon a couple months back and it was awesome man he was just talking about the lights being out man and he said the lights are out everywhere and he said he said I stayed at a hotel and he said and the lights in the city went out but this hotel was an old hotel and had a generator he said so lights were out everywhere but this old hotel it stayed lit for us he said you know we had a little dinner you know we went to sleep we plugged in our phones and and he said faith faith is that generator he said the lights are

going out all over the place he said but faith is that generator you know and though it may be dark and though it may seem scary you know what you're allowed to keep that light that pilot light on inside you and keep things lit up whenever they else is getting dark and that's what faith is and so i hope that people have that for when they go through that time or when even when they don't go through that time just i think it lifts them up and helps you that light on man yeah yeah gosh beautiful next time we'll have to talk more about that but um final question michael what's your definition of greatness having this conversation with you being completely present talking about faith and then going next door as quickly as I can before I get home because they're doing all you can drink

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