The School of Greatness - Mike Tyson: How To Overcome Your Ego To Stop Suffering In Silence & Sabotaging Your Relationships

Episode Date: November 13, 2024

I had the incredible privilege of joining Mike Tyson for a deep, soulful conversation that went far beyond what I expected. Mike shared profound insights about his journey from being driven by ego to finding peace through plant medicine and self-love. We explored vulnerable topics like masculinity, transformation, and what it truly means to be "good" versus "great." Mike opened up about his experiences with family, prison, bankruptcy, and finding redemption through honesty and growth. What struck me most was Mike's incredible wisdom and spiritual evolution – a side of him many haven't seen. This conversation was less about boxing and more about the raw, authentic journey of becoming better men.In this episode you will learn:How Mike transformed from using money to solve problems to learning true communication in relationshipsThe profound distinction Mike makes between being a "great" man versus a "good" manMike's journey from ego-driven champion to finding oneness with everything through plant medicineThe importance of showing up consistently in marriage and family lifeWhy Mike believes the conduct of one person affects the fate of us allFor more information go to https://www.lewishowes.com/1693For more Greatness text PODCAST to [phone]More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Kobe Bryant – greatness.lnk.to/1566SCLindsey Vonn  – greatness.lnk.to/1132SCAllyson Felix – greatness.lnk.to/1456SC

Hey everyone, welcome back to a very special episode of the School of Greatness. What you're about to experience right now is actually an interview I did with the legendary sports icon, Mike Tyson. And he's got a big fight that he's got coming up with Jake Paul. And one of the things that I thought was interesting was revisiting this interview. I actually went on Mike's show. It was called Hot Boxing. So this is an interview that I went on his show but like I tend to do in most situations I turned the interview around and started

diving deep in asking him questions about his mindset, about his legacy, about how he's reinvented himself after boxing, business and all these different things. So I wanted you to dive in deep around the mindset of Mike Tyson, how he thinks, how he started to actually heal some parts of the things in his life that were causing suffering and pain. He talks about transitioning and transforming into a new identity, into a new man.

And I'm excited to see what Mike continues to do with his life moving forward. This was actually an interesting test for me. I've never been drunk or high in my life. continues to do with his life moving forward. This was actually an interesting test for me. I've never been drunk or high in my life. And the entire time they were smoking marijuana in this kind of contained room. So it was actually an interesting test for me

to see if I could be present while this was happening on his show, Hot Boxing. So without further ado, let's dive into this interview with the one and only Mike Tyson. What do you understand about the world? What do you understand about it? And what would you say to your 20-year-old self that just is about to win the title? I was thinking about the world now that I'm one with everything.

That we're involved with everything. I'm involved with the ****. I'm involved with the bugs. I'm involved with the ants, the butterflies, the cats, the dogs. I'm one with everything. The cars, smoke, everything. I'm one with everything. The cars, smoke, everything. I'm one with it all. Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Hot Boxing. I'm Evan Britton.

And I'm Mike Tyson. Dude. We got a great guest today We got a guest Who I'm a big fan of I heard this guy on a podcast a couple years ago I think and his name's Lewis house Great to have you here brother Thank you. What do you call yourself? You're sort of like this new age philosopher. You're a young, great thinker. I appreciate it.

Are you my brother? Yes. He's written a book. Sorry, let me give you a little more intro. He's written a book, New York Times bestselling author. This book in particular that's on my mind, which is very pertinent to our show, is called The mask of masculinity.

Wow. And I think we got a lot to talk about there. It was a European thing, I think it was a not a philosopher but I think a therapist and he did the same thing with the mask of sanity. But it was about everyday people we were not who we appear to be yeah, we put on masks yeah, we put on this projection to try to fit in or try to make people like us or try to please people or win people over and we were just talking about this before that you played in the NFL for a number of years and You had an identity a mask that you wore to fit in to be that player right to play the role of lineman big tough guy whatever maybe the tough guy because everybody I don't care who was the gangsta in the mall they

respected a tough guy that's it yeah that was your life growing up they respected you because you didn't back down yeah I was bullied when I was a kid and I said wow if I was like these guys that were bullying me nobody would with me right and you became the ultimate bully of the world by destroying everyone and here's the thing these masks that men wear they serve a purpose because it helps us get a result in our life you know I wore the athlete mask which was I will do whatever it takes to win at all costs. I will fricking destroy people on the field. I will train my butt off.

I'll hurt myself. I won't sleep. I'll fricking do whatever to get bigger, faster, stronger at all costs so that I can achieve my goal. And here's the crazy thing, these masks work because you were in the NFL. You became the ultimate bully and were the greatest fighter of all time.

But here's what doesn't work. We are left with this sense of like this prison inside, right? We might achieve success on the outside, but then we are prisoners and we are unfulfilled on the inside and we don't know what inner peace is. So the masks hold us back from inner peace. And we take that out on our loved ones, the people close to us, our family, our children, everyone. everyone suffers around us when we wear masks. Absolutely. So yeah, so that's

why I wrote the book because I was I was achieving at every level. I was making millions. I was, you know, playing professional football, I was accomplishing things. But I was suffering inside. I know if I didn't change, I couldn't have a family like my kids wouldn't respect me. I was just in that verge where my kids are once not respecting me no more. Really? One right there, the clip of it was so f**king frightening. Wow. How did it feel when they weren't respect, when they started to not respect you? I don't know, I felt like dying. I wanted to kill myself. Really? Yeah. I thought I had my

children, they didn't respect me, they wouldn't live anymore. Wow. How old were you then? 39. Wow. So that was a big wake up call for you? That was something that... Yeah, pretty big, yeah. So how did you just start to shift to get the respect again? It was hard, it was hard.

Cause it was 40 years of conditioning. It was so hard. It was so hard. You had to be available, you had to come to work, you had to show up. You know, you have to come to work, you have to show up, you know? You have to have gratitude. Do you have a lot of gratitude in your life right now? Oh, hunks.

I've been beaten in submission, so I have a lot of gratitude, yeah. Yeah. What was the biggest beat down you've ever had? Whether it be physically or emotionally or spiritually. I lost my four-year-old daughter. She accidentally killed herself by accident. Oh man. She was on a treadmill. She didn't know how to work and she got hurt. Wow. So after that I didn't know what to do.

You know, I just didn't know what to do. How'd you recover from that? I didn't have it. I just know in order to make her happy, I have to do good things and be positive. Yeah. Wow. Were you, did you ever think positive before that moment or when you were fighting as well or was it always negative? No, it was always about me. It was always about my... Everybody else. Yeah. No, it was always about me. It was always about my...

Everybody else. Yeah. You know, I would give people money and stuff, you know. I was capable of being kind to people and nice to people, but it didn't matter. I just wanted what I wanted and that's all that mattered. Right. Why do you think we care so much about those things, about like what we win or what we get. Why do you think men in general? Because listen, this is what happens. Us as little kids, especially boys, what we hear, we think of great men all the time. We think of people that we heard, you hear about that guy,

knock that guy out the crown of corn, what was his name again? We always hear a legend. We hear about Jim Brown. We hear about Bruce Lee, we hear about all these guys, and we wanna know how this bad a** is telling me about these guys, I'm scared of this guy telling me about these a** guys. So I wanna be like these guys, for guys like this could be afraid of me or respect me or something, you know? And it's ancient.

Yeah. It's very ancient. Knights slaying the dragons, you know, going out on a hunt and bringing like- Like Jim Brown, the football player? Yeah, he's a football player. I didn't know he was a football player. I from the streets I thought he was a bad kicking in the street. I didn't know he was a football player. I thought he was a bad. I had no idea with the football player. So I got older. Yeah, that's awesome. Why do you think you wanted to respect was the thing you wanted the most from people? Because they bullied me all the time. Everybody picked on me.

Why do you think they picked on you? I don't know, because I had nobody to protect me. I had no... no. There's some people in the neighborhood that got very intimidating families. They may have 20 kids in the family. You're not going to mess with those kids? And they're very aggressive. Yeah.

Their cousins and their brothers and everything. They're very aggressive. So we don't bother those guys. Yeah, because very aggressive. Cousins and their brothers and everything, they're very aggressive. So we don't bother those guys. Cause they got a family to get behind you, yeah. You had no family to get behind you. I had no family like that, no. Dang. What do you think about that, Louis?

Why do people, what is the thing about bullying? Is it that we're programmed to gain superiority over others? I think bullies are very insecure, and they wanna feel in power, and they're actually powerless. And so they create scenarios to have power over other people to feel like they're in control. They're very insecure.

I think we've all bullied at some time, whether it be one person or a group of people, or in a relationship, I think we all are at are fault of it because we want to feel a sense of control or power or certainty and that lack of certainty you know when you're 12 years old growing up you have no certainty it's like who am I what am I doing you know we have no certainty so the fact is as we talk really look at this as we talked Evan we think about it, these are a few questions, check it out, who are you?

Yeah, no one knows when you're 12. Yeah, where have you came from? Yeah. What is your purpose? Why are you breathing? Why do you look the way you do? Yeah. Who's the first you that, you know,

you have to make your existence? The first one, probably a million years ago, 10 million years ago, who is he? What did he look like with the black with the Asian crazy? Right? You don't even know who the first us was Why do you think you're here Mike? Excuse me. Why do you think you're here? Why do I think I'm here to understand the world before I die to be lucky to? Understand and be conscious of it before I die. What would you say to your? 20 year old self that just is about to win the title? I was thinking about the world now that I'm one with everything. That we're involved with everything.

I'm involved with the ****. I'm involved with the bugs. I'm involved with the ants, the butterflies, the cats, the dogs. I'm one with everything. The clouds, the sewage, everything. The cars, smoke, everything, I'm one with it all. What did you think back then?

Excuse me? What did you think your understanding of the world was when you were 20? When I was 20? What was your viewpoint of the world? I had no viewpoint. Only thing I knew was these guys were great champions and I wanted to be like them. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting I remember when I was a kid when I was five, I would watch

College football with my dad on TV. I would watch Ohio State Buckeyes I'm from Ohio small town in Ohio called Delaware, Ohio And I would see the all-americans on TV My dad would get so excited about the All-American football players at Ohio State. And I was like, because my dad talked about it, that's what I wanted to be. And so my whole life became, how do I become an All-American athlete?

And that was the only thing I cared about. And then when it was over, I was like, well, who am I? And what do I do with my life? Just kinda like when you retired from football, this identity. You know? Everybody, Dick Buccas, all those guys had to deal with that. Yeah. Imagine being so crazy. Everybody had Dick Buccas, all those guys had to deal with that.

Yeah. Imagine being so immortal on the football field and then that stops. Stops. And then you live in the past constantly. You can't help it. How could you not help it? Tell me that, especially in the 50s and stuff when people wasn't elevated or after we done with this, we haven't saved up, we're screwed.

We didn't save up after this career. We're in the gutter again. I don't care, black, white, Chinese. I love somebody, somebody such a big fan, they have rich guys, I love them when I'm playing, they gave you a job. That's what happened to a lot of those guys. They became salesmen for the big corporations

because guys loved them when they were playing. But then the glory was over though, you know? It's the ultimate endeavor to have to reinvent yourself. Scary. And everyone has to do that all the time all the time every couple years It's almost like you have to all the time shedding skins letting go Transforming your mindset and your thoughts. Yeah What was it like for you when you had to reinvent through? financially because you went I think you went bankrupt once or twice or you know, how did you

Rebuild and reinvent from a place of man. I just had everything and now I lost it for no I had everything and next thing, you know, I'm 60 million in debt How'd you get out of that? Hmm. This is interesting. Listen, right? For some reason, they thought I was trying to get out to get a deal to get out of this bankruptcy.

They thought I was going to still fight. I had no intention to fight. They said, you're going to fight. You're going to get out of this deal, and then you're going to fight for a whole bunch of money. Yes. And sucker us. So they kept thinking I was going to fight.

And they wouldn't give me deals. And so I just kept paying a little bit at a time, make some money. I kept paying them. And then next thing you know, I would owe them money for so long. They would say, hey, you owe this for so long, so we're gonna decline you owing us this. Because you're not paying us. So you owe this for so long, so now you don't owe us five million. We're gonna take seven to five million.

And so that's how I was getting down. And so they said, all right, we're gonna take this off too. And I wind up owning them two million dollars and I paid that and it was over. I said, done. Nice. Wow. Wow, bro. You haven't paid in seven months.

If you don't pay this in seven months, you're gonna take 20 million off or something like that. Never pay them. Crazy, yeah, you're never paying. How could they do that? They're supposed to take everything. I was living in Manchester. They're supposed to took all that.

How did that happen? Interesting. I was thinking, I said, how'd I'm keeping all this? Why they all that. How did that happen? Interesting. I was thinking, I said, how'd I'm keeping all this? Why they not coming to take this stuff? Interesting. Yeah, they never came to take anything. What do you think the moment, what was the? I had cars and stuff, I couldn't ride them

because I couldn't have money to put gas in them. That Rolls Royce, I said, you can't ride them, got no gas. Just sitting there, yeah, yeah. That's so crazy, Mike. Crazy. Was there a moment in your life, was it maybe the bankruptcy or when your daughter died or when you lost respect with your kids?

Was there a moment when things really started to shift in your mind to say, OK, I need to figure this stuff out? I need to really, you know? I didn't have the slightest idea. I got involved with this woman who's now my wife, right? And she just kept saying everything's gonna be alright We're gonna write a show. We're gonna produce

Television shows and movies and this is gonna be over. I'm looking at her. I'm still struggling on drugs We were talking about we went and saw Chad's Parmenteria Bronx Table. We saw it on stage. It was magnificent. It was so quiet, you could hear a mouse on cotton. He was so captivating. This guy was so captivating. Chad's Parmentary was so captivating. Everybody was so quiet. You could hear every... And I said, baby, I want to do that.

Baby, I do that before, like when I go to Europe, people ask me questions and I answer the question, but this time I just want to answer the questions, I just do it, you know, I mean, de-athetically like Mr. Parmentieri. And she was writing the script and we were rehearsing, she was writing the script, we didn't know how we were going to ever do it. And then a friend of mine was at the gym where I work at and a guy was there, don't Mike Tyson work here?

And he said, yeah. He said, if you ever see him, give him him my car I want to do a show with him well nowhere a week later so she we so we call the guy but took my wife I think six weeks to write the show Wow her first show ever we did the show standing room over knockout blast all over the world knocked the country We did it on Broadway for three weeks. We first show in Vegas. Yeah on Vegas was knocked everybody. Everybody came in time always So one of Spike Lee's assistants came and saw the show and said spike I think we should get into this and this spikes would want to go to Broadway

I was in Poland. He called me. He said we want to go to Broadway went to Broadway Listen, we went to bro. Everybody came. All the Broadway shows and actors and the actors came. Stevie Wonder. Everybody came. All the actors who we did on a pen year here in California. All the people from the sets came. All the actors and actors. Everybody came. It was so awesome. I couldn't believe we could ever do something like that. Be on that level where they would come watch us do something other than a fight. Something that I'm not gonna get hurt doing.

I did that, you know? I said, wow, I'm performing, and these guys are coming and they enjoying it. Mike, I've heard you talk about this a lot, but how did you feel being so honest and vulnerable about your experiences? Was that the first time you'd really done that? I mean.

Yeah, kind of. But listen, it was embarrassing at first, but the people knew all this. The people that was all they knew, they saw what happened in the paper. They read the paper, they saw what happened. They saw what happened. People complained about it on television.

So I couldn't, everybody knew what happened. So I had to be very honest. You did the eight, you were the eight mile move. It was like the end of eight mile. We're just like, here's everything I did. You. So I had to be very honest. They knew. You were the eight mile move. It was like the end of eight mile. We're just like, here's everything I did. You know, I'm gonna say it all. Yeah. Yeah, everybody knew it,

but they just never heard me say it. But they all knew it. That's the only way. Yeah, everybody knew it. There wasn't no secrets. I didn't watch it live. I wanted to when it was on Broadway, but I remember watching it on, was it HBO?

One of those shows. Yeah, something like that. And my friend saw it and he's like, you have to watch this. He goes, it's one of the greatest performances I've ever seen. And I was like, no fricking way. Mike Tyson doing a one man show.

I was like, there's no way. And I turned this thing on, and I'm not just saying this because you're here. I turned this thing on and I was like, wow, you're an incredible storyteller and an incredible performer. Obviously you're a great performer as an athlete, but you transitioned, and I don't think anyone saw it coming

that you had that capacity and capability to captivate an audience, whether it be live or TV audience, and you did an incredible job, man. I mean, it was inspiring. Listen, Evan, my wife, it was supposed to be a gritty, hardcore show, hardcore guy. It came out like a con. They laughed at my hard, tough life. You know, I'm talking about not having a father.

The people broke our lives. I ran back to the street. I said, baby, what's going on? What's happening? Why they laughing? Why they laughing? She said, it's causing. Keep it going.

Keep it going. It's good. Keep it going. They're laughing. Keep it going. What was the biggest lesson you learned about yourself after that whole experience had finished? That shouldn't be too hard on myself. You know, I should be more appreciative of what I've accomplished from where I came from. That's amazing.

Are you usually hard on yourself? Absolutely. Why? I don't know, that's all I've ever known because if I made mistakes, I got harshly verbally punished. You heard some bad stuff. You heard some stuff you didn't want to hear. So you get yourself numb to that by calling yourself that all the time.

I'm a loser. I suck. What the fuck are you doing? Are you stupid? You dumb? How could you do that? It's crazy. What do you say to yourself now?

What's the conversation you say to yourself? Oh, I love myself. I love my kids. Isn't your kid awesome? Aren't you very lucky that you have your wife? What would you be without her? Wow. It's beautiful, man.

It's unbelievable. I mean, if Mike Tyson could transform, you know what I mean, as an example of a man who's gone through a lot of trauma. Life prepares you. Life prepares you for everything. Prepares you for doing a hundred years in jail, prepares you for getting ready to go to the electric chair, prepares you for death. You know what I mean? When life is enduring with you, when you're enduring with life and you're making the age

limits go into your 50s, your 60s, your 80s, and you're making it up there, you're prepared. All your friends are no longer around, most of your family no longer around. What the f*** am I doing here? Then we go. Wow. You know. What's the thing that's prepared you the most? What experience that you've gone through do you think has prepared

you the most for where you're at now? Yes, dropping my ego. I think my life would be disastrous if I never took the toad. If I took this ancient medicine, the toad, right? It changed my whole perspective on how I look at life and how I look at people and how I talk to people. Wow. Do you know about the toad? No. Wow. Why don't you educate him? That's going to be very interesting. You're an awesome guy. Tell me. Thank you. So you know about ayahuasca? Of course. Yeah, yeah.

Oh. So the active ingredient in there is DMT. Yep. So the toad from its venom, which they extract and then dry it over a certain period of time, it crystallizes, it contains five MEO DMT, which from the way I understand it, is DMT with an extra methyl oxy group attached to it, which makes it... Oh, it's like super steroided.

So it's super charged to your brain. So it crosses the blood brain barrier faster. And so, you know, it does, you vaporize it, and it does very much the same things as DMT, but it's really the top of the pyramid as far as entheogenic substances. And so, you know, people are cured of depression and addiction and, you know, are released of trauma and pain.

And so Mike had a very transformational experience. Listen, if you take this medicine, it's a possibility you may feel like God. Wow. And then you may have a small encounter with God and say, God, please forgive me, I'm sorry. Is that what happened for you? Yeah.

What was the encounter like? I felt the pain of everybody I ever hurt before in my life. Wow. That sounds pain, that feels, that's fine. I'm sorry, God, please, Lord, I'm sorry. This is crazy. You felt the pain of everyone you hurt. How many people do you think you've hurt?

Oh, man. Hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands. It's so amazing, that pain that you could feel. I had no body, it was nothing. I just existed. Wow. And you could feel everything. You feel, and you see, I used to understand. It just existed. Wow. And you could just feel everything. You feel and you just, I used to understand.

It's like being dead. You're vulnerable as hell. There's no ego. You're afraid of everything. Naked, yeah. Yeah. Just please don't hurt me. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Please, God, please. Wow. You know, you don't even see nobody and you're scared. You just feel, you just got scared. I'm sorry, please. It's just, I don't even see nobody and you're scared. You just feel, you just got to be scared. I'm sorry, please. It's just, I don't understand it and I've never been the same since I did it. I only, I don't think about hurting people.

I don't think about loving people. You still want to do that stuff anymore. You know, I've never been the same since I died. You wouldn't, in my time on life, I'm talking a little fast, but in my time on life, I thought I seen it all. I thought I'd been everywhere. I think I f----- everybody, drink everybody, smoked with everybody.

I did it all. And I realized I don't know nothing, and I'm nobody. Wow. I don't know anything. I don't know where I came from. I don't know my real name. I mean, somebody named me Mike. I don't know the f----- I am.

All right. I'm, somebody named me Mike. I don't know who the fuck I am. I'm just here. Wow. It's been pretty amazing to be on this ride with Mike. It's just crazy amount of wisdom and insight that comes from spending time with this guy. And I always use God as a way to get to be in. I was never really, I knew of God, but I didn't,

I was, it wasn't bigger than me. You were bigger than God. Yeah. You were God. Yeah, yeah, my thick head, and then you realize that you have to get on your knees, you don't know what his name is, but you know you have to worship.

Wow. You know? That's the take of the toad, yeah. Once you've been humbled. Wow. You know, that's the taking the toll. Yeah, he is. Once you've been humbled a certain amount of times, then you're like, okay, I'm not a God anymore, right? Listen, listen, I tell you about that ego. Even though you're humble, you stop, he's still there.

Don't let him look at the reflection. I might look around and look at the reflection and say, wow, I'm handsome. It'll come to ego's a... Once you take the toll, you know he ain't... Yeah. How do you let go of ego? And how do you what advice would you give to men who are so ego driven? What would you say to them on

how to like let it go when they're so attached to it? Listen, I'm gonna tell you something about the ego from my experience. My nothing but it's a junkyard, study kid, right? But my dad had nothing had nothing It's this old Italian man gave me an ego Right and he gave me everything I wanted the ego gave me everything I ever wanted and more But it took so much more in return What did it take took everything Wow?

Took everything been in prison took everything family love. Yeah, well, you don't care no more. You're almost an animal Wow, you know Oh, I don't know when to go there again Well, you want to live like an animal when you can't say give it up. Hey, I don't want to do it no more I love you Wow It's amazing Crazy It's awesome. What's what's the thing? The lesson you've still yet to learn for yourself to to get to that next level that you want to

Be at is there a lesson or is there a challenge that you're struggling with a question inside that still keeps you from More love more fulfillment impact. What is that? Why me? Who the fuck am I why do why do millions of people know me and think of me in nice ways. Why me? Why'd I have to meet this guy? He had nothing he has died broke But how did he give me the tricks that he had to give me what I want? You know why me why did it how did he know I was the guy to for this job? Wow, I never had a boxing club all my life. I never thought about sports never played sports about it

How did he know I was the guy? The universe. Yeah. How does this guy know? That blows me away. How does this guy know? Crazy. What do you think the world needs more of right now?

What is it? What's it missing? Listen, I can't say no. I can only say love, kindness, passion, patience, you know, among each other. Look at each other as equals, you know. Everyone can succeed in one particular way. We can all succeed if we work together in any way. So true. You know, any way.

No one wins unless we all win. Exactly. And the conduct of one is the fate of us all. And there's billions of us all there. The conduct of one is the fate of us all. Say that one more time, the conduct of one. The conduct of one of us is the faith of all of us. What does that mean for you?

What does that mean to you? That we all have to be in sync with one another. One guy robs a store and murders some people, that's the fate of all of us. One guy kills a guy because he's a different color or a different religion, that's the fate of all of us. Some powerful— Is he always this insightful. Yeah, he is man. I mean, and that's just really to me, why I think I've connected with Mike so much is, you know, through my career in the NFL and coming out of it, this dissolution of ego that's taken place for me over the last four and a half

years. You know, ego is just, it crushes you really at the end of the day, because that's the thing that ties you into all of your desires and ideas about who you are and what you're supposed to be in this manufactured realm. And it chases everybody that loves you away. Exactly. You only have your mother around you. It's never enough.

Your ego can never have nobody you love around you. It won't work. Why is that? If somebody loves you and your ego's acting up and it's controlling you, you can't have them. You push them away. Yeah, yeah. You slammed them away.

They can't take you. No matter how much they try to love you, you're just like... You can't do it. You can't do it. It won't work. Because you're never satisfied. You're never filled. That hole is never full, you know? Not enough women, not enough cars, not enough money, not enough... Accomplishments, press. Not enough consumption. there's not enough

to just consume and feed that thing, feed that beast. And that kind of sickness, if you can't have it all, you'd rather have nothing. Because it's not enough, if it's not all of it, I'd rather have nothing. Is that what happened to you? You're like, I can't have it. If I can't have everyone, everything, every girl,

every drug, every movie star, if I can't have every one of them, all of them, I'd rather have nothing. Really? Yeah. How many women do you think you've been with? I don't know, I'm not proud of it though. Not stuff that I'm proud of. Yeah.

Cause I don't even know why I did it. Yeah. I didn't know what was the purpose of it. To try to fulfill something that we were missing. No, it wasn't, listen, I wanted those women to love me. Why? Because I women to love me. Why? Because I didn't love myself.

Did you let them love you? No way. How can I not love myself? I can't let them love me. My love was to make me... Right. Or to tell me I was great, or tell me that was the best you ever had. That was my ego. Yeah. You know what I mean? That was my fulfillment. I would pay you up out of the car.

I'm the best on earth. Wow. Foo. What's, how long have you been together with your wife? 10, no, well more than 10 years, married 10 years. What's the greatest lesson she's taught you in the last 10 years? That I don't own her.

Did you used to feel like you owned the relationships? I owned everything that was in my presence. Wow. You're around me, you're at some work, I own you mother, you're around me, you're a fan, you're around me, I own you mother, you're a fan, I own you mother, you're around me,

you're in my presence, you want anything, you'll be accepting anything from me, I own you. You own me, You're in my presence. You want anything you accept anything from you. I own you You owe me I own you. Yeah. Yeah, so when did she say you don't own me? What what was that like when she confronted you and said hey, you don't own me listen Let me tell you have you ever married. No, I've never been married. Let me tell you something even I'm tasting Marriage is something that it's like a roller coaster, right? And it's really scary because the roller coaster goes up and it gets to the top and it's making a lot of noise.

And that's the beginning of making a lot of noise by being in love. And then we get to the top and then we come down, fast. And you can't grow, you can't learn this stuff. You gotta grow with this stuff. Yeah, you gotta go through it. You can't get ready for this. You can't prepare for this.

You know what I mean? You're gonna find out, you and this person really care about each other love is out of the question now We'd married love Now how about how determined you are to make this work for the betterment of your children your name? God You know me how tough are you now? You're a tough guy. I will see how tough you are You beat up a lot of people. Let's see how tough you are with this Wow You know me this is for God. Let's see how tough you are. You beat up a lot of people. Let's see how tough you are with this. Wow. You know what I mean? This is for God.

Let's see how tough you did this for money. Let's see what you can do for God. What's the greatest? It's awesome. What's the thing you love about her the most now? Right now? That she puts up with me. She put up with me for all those years.

I can't believe I'm still married. Ten years, yeah, wow. And then I ran into the toad. Wow. Oh, man. Toad life. Toad life, dude. Toad life up in here. Toad life.

You really have to cultivate a marriage, man. You have to work that. You've been married? Yeah. You're married right now. You got two kids, you said? One kid. One kid, two-year-old. Seven-year-old. Seven-year-old, wow. Once you reach married right now you got a two kids you said or one kid one two year old seven year old Seven year old Wow Once you reach that's about what you understand. Hey, we have to what we have to take care of ourselves We have to make sure our side of the street is clean. I can't worry about her side of this

Yeah, I make sure my side of the street is clean. That's a kid. Give me the absolute. I'm not married I've never been married but give me the the keys to Getting into a marriage that's happy and staying in a happy one. Give me your top three each. I want to hear. Don't take anything personal.

Never personal. If she says things that make sense. How do you not take anything personal? What it's wrong. It takes a lot of practice. No, it's not wrong because it's triggers. When they're attacking you. No, we have triggers from other relationships and other lives.

They hit those triggers and we blame them for the trouble that everybody else calls us because they press those triggers on us. We have to be careful. We have to be careful. We have to be careful. We have to be careful. We have to be careful. We have to be careful. We have to have triggers from other relationships and other lives. And so they hit those triggers and we blame them for the trouble that everybody else caused us because they pressed those buttons

that brought that pain back up. So how do you not take it personally when they're like, you mother, it's a lot of practice. You learn not to take it personally and you say, and you tell them I love you. That doesn't just happen. It disarms them.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, so that's number one. Always coming back to I love you. I love you. Please, I love you. Remember how much I love you. I love you. Please. I love you remember how much you love them and Remind yourself of it and for me. It's It's about

Taking the energy that I bring into life because we can take our families for granted Yes, you know and we fall into just autopilot, you know, programmed mechanisms with our family, especially with an intimate relationship. And so, over that time, like what Mike was saying, when that love or that lusty, super hot sex time wears off because it's going to, because we are, as human beings,

we are chemically programmed into that, especially men. You are biologically, evolutionarily programmed to procreate and spread your seed. So this is something that we have to battle, or at least learn how to hone and control. It's important. And listen, this is what I found out too, because you remember when you said it comes the time

when you still wanna do it no more? And say, yeah, Mr. Cooper, you still like to do it, but it's not like it used to be. That's because God prepares you to do it, you know what I mean? Sometimes when you're younger, it has to go, you know? And when you get older, it's not that important. Yes. It's not that important.

You don't care as much. That's why God made it feel good. Yeah. Because even when you're older now, it's not that important, but it still feels made it feel good. Yeah, because even when you're older now It's not that pump, but it still feels good feeling good right now. You know, so You have to come home and you have to create that Romance and that love again, you know She would lose shit should pick something up, you know

Why are you not being this way you with somebody else this way? Women pick things up. They're very sensitive. They pick up things. You have to be consistent. The same thing all the time. All the time. Stop one time and suddenly they pick up something. Consistency with women. I learned that late. To be consistent. You have to be consistent. Consistent. Never change your colors. Wow. Because they would pick that up quick. The first thing they pick up, hey. One day you change? One second. Well, that's why communication. One second she picks it up quick. The first thing they picked up was, hey, this one. One day you change? One second. Well, that's why communication. One second she picks it up.

They're different than we are. Communication. You see a whole bunch of people in here? If my wife was in here, we're all talking. My wife would remember, hey, only my voice. Everybody's talking. She remembers everything I said. Everybody's talking, but she's only going to hear my voice.

That's how women are. They get tuned into your voice, everything about you, your characteristics your characteristics they want to know you they want to be the puppet master not they just want to know what it's they don't want to be the puppet master they just want to know every move you make yeah wow yes and communication communication so that's the third for sure communication don't take these personally yeah and we're just remember how much you love them. And listen, please communicate, because something that happened six months ago,

you won't know it until the outbursts come out. And you're like, what the hell happened? That's six months ago. What? Always communicate. Is everything okay, baby? Sure, nothing's on your mind? You don't wanna talk about anything?

Every day, yeah. Oh, I've learned that lately. I started doing that recently, like a year ago. And I'm like, yeah, that's pretty new for me. Wow. Communication is just, that's a constant practice. Evan, my whole life, once I've been mad at my mom, all I did was throw money at my problems.

Buy a house, buy your mother a house, buy some cars. You know, get away. I can't deal with no children today. I don't want to hear what the teacher said today. That's not what your partner wants from you. They want you to listen and be a partner. Yes. They wanna know how the money's building.

They wanna know everything, you know what I mean? And then when you realize you don't have the money like you used to have, and you throw the money at the problem, you have to deal now. Now you gotta deal with the problem. Dealing with the problem, that's almost like death. I'd rather almost die than deal with the problem. I wish I had some money to give a lawyer

to deal with the problem. I definitely confronted that coming out of the NFL. Oh! With my wife. Yeah, fool. It was like, oh wow, now I'm here in this marriage. And now there's nowhere to go. You have all this free time.

You're not just at a job all day. You know what? Absolutely. Remember one day I was in the city, I said, why is it that men and women have to be married? Why is it that we look for a mate? And I tell you, a man needs a woman to make sure that he's a man.

He should make sure that we're a man because he should test us and try us and push us to the extent that they see us. Breaking point. By being a man, you have to control yourself. And that's what they teach us. Once you control yourself, you control your feelings with a woman. I don't want to say submit, but she understands I can't get to her. Once you control your feelings, because we don't have the emotional intelligence to control our feelings

You wouldn't because then I'm mine. I'm macho. We want to react. Oh, she she making us look like Said that no man would ever say that to me. Well, it's about when It's about when you're confront when your woman confronts you with something. She's challenging your Kingdom she's challenging your kingdom. She's challenging your masculinity. Big time. She's saying there's something. Every man go for it.

Every man don't get big, strong, biker game, mega tough killer. With a woman, you're going to have to deal with that. A lot of people think, a lot of people say, I'm going to beat love. I'm going to get all these fellas. They ain't going to marry. You know what? You've met a ton of guys. Yeah billionaires celebrity you've met the biggest you know

Influencers in the world right over the last 30 40 years I'm curious is there a man that you know today or in the past who's maybe passed away Who feels so much love in his heart and feels like he made it without having a great partner. Like, can he do it alone and just sleep with a bunch of girls, you know, take what he wants and do these things? Be that guy. Can he be that guy and still be like peaceful and love in his heart or is he unfulfilled? They're great. My experience. Good question.

My experience with guys did a lot of stuff, women stuff. I'm not proud of I the more women you You know you would think the more women you have the more More crowning achievements you will receive from people or whatever the situation to play your world, but the more women you The more women you be with the more as being you feel like you've been taken parts away from you The hole is getting bigger. Yeah, it feels like you should die the more you feel like you've been taking parts away from you. The hole is getting bigger. Yeah, it feels like you're dying. The more they're taking from you, you feel like you're being taken. You're being torn apart. You're feeling empty.

You're feeling dark. You just don't feel good about yourself. Wow. You f***ed all these people and you got nothing from them but a f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f***ing f but a f***ing You know and what did you get from that feeling? Why did you want to have that thing? What's the cause of having that feeling? Nobody had no, you know, maybe three people had babies But it was like come to be in the interest. What was the purpose of that feeling? I don't feel that way no more Yeah, I don't move like that no more. I don't what was the purpose for me to be that way? What did I get out of it? No one got any babies, we got some diseases, we got, you know what I mean? Nobody got any love from that.

What's that perceived as love? What was that, I'll tell my wife, what was that all about? You think I would meet all these people in the afterlife and stuff? What's the afterlife? What about the people that watch me fight? Would I ever see them again, all of them collectively? If all this stuff go back, where do we all go?

What you're thinking right now, what am I talking about? That feeling, that energy, where does that go when we die? Like you're not even talking, but you're talking to your hear, where does that go when we die? That can't die. Where does it go? I'm just thinking, does that just black out?

Like you pull out a plug socket, what happens with that? Goes back into the circulation. But imagine if it go into a bug or a rock or a tree and we become that. Yeah, I'm not sure how reincarnation works. You know, do you come back as another human being? What, you know, and why, what person you come back as? I was telling my wife, my wife hates bugs.

Every now and then a bug gets in the house and she freaks out, right? I said, listen, that's probably your grandma that's coming back and re-incarceration. She wants to see you so bad as soon as you come back. Wild out. Wow. You know, I think there's stuff like that.

I think these are people that we love and we see them and we hate them so bad. And they say, Mike, look at me. But they said so, I'm back. I thought I was dead. Hey, Mike, it's me. Boom, I kill him. I know, man.

I have a new practice, any bugs. I don't kill anything. I bring them outside. Because my wife is the same. She's like, get the spider out of here. I'm like, babe, that thing. I tell my wife, I'm not killing nothing. I of here. I'm like I'm not killing nothing I'm not killing you, I'm not killing you, I'm not killing anything. That might be my new policy.

When do you feel the most loved Mike? When I feel the most loved? When do you feel the most love in your heart? You know when? When I'm around watching YouTube and I hear my kids running around and my wife comes up and down after feeding the kids that maybe come from work and I'll come upstairs and get in the shower maybe sit on the bed or sit in her chair electric chair that puts electric vibes to her body

and I say I'm very happy. Everybody's in the house all my kids are here and that's when I'm the most loved.'s in the house. All my kids are here. And that's when I'm the most loved. Wow. We're all together. All my oldest kids, the youngest, we're all from school, from home, we're all back together in the same house.

I feel one love at all. Wow. That's awesome. Why do you think that experience makes you feel the most loved and not something else? Because everything that I love is, I feel secured. I feel like, listen, this is the fourth sense of security. I feel like I can protect them right now. I can't do nothing.

Something can come in there and do something. Somebody can come in and kill us all with a bat, forget it, right? But this is the fact, I think that they're safe now. Because they're with me. Boy, that's the eagle. I think they're safe because they're with me. Isn't that sick?

And I know that, but it just makes me feel. Feels good, yeah, it makes you feel loved. They're grown too. It's an interesting breakdown of that, Mike. You took it all the way through. Yeah, I love them so much. I don't want them to ever, and I see, I say they never experience anything I experienced.

With the kind of people that get to things and been in prison and got bad records and stuff. They're very clean They got good stuff. They got good beginning. I'm gonna with them Well, I my brother I don't know much time you guys have I'm just asking some questions, but my uh when I was How old was I I was eight years old my brother went to prison for selling drugs So when I was eight until twelve we would drive You know a couple hours on the weekend. I was like it was crazy man until 12, we would drive a couple hours on the weekend.

It was crazy, man. Yeah, we would drive the weekend, you know, take like an hour to get through the security every time. And then I'd sit in this, you know, big room with all the convicts and my brother. And I was eight years old until 12. And I remember just hearing these stories about prison that blew my mind as an eight-year-old, nine-year-old, just like what happened. I'm curious, what was the biggest thing you learned about yourself from being in jail? What I learned from jail, this is what I learned from jail, which is going to be a trip that

there are beautiful people in this world. Beautiful. Yeah. There are. There were so many nice people there. So many beautiful people in this world. They just had hard luck or bad times and stuff. These beautiful people. They may be killers. They may have done some really horrific shots. People did some stuff, drug deals and bad stuff. But they have a human quality about them. They're kind. You

just sit down. We have a different look. We have a different perspective of a drug dealer. We look over the drug dealer, he has some guns, he's coming with his pack, and a bunch of guys got their guns ready for people, for action to come in. They come across a big bag, sadistic people. But that's not what it is. These are people on hard times. And nobody, our government's not doing nothing. They're not even getting welfare out anymore.

You know, this is the company where if you're not doing well, if you don't make it, f*** you. That's the country we living. I know you don't know what it likes to hear, but if you don't do good, you don't have a good family, you don't got a good education, you don't got good working skills, you're not a big strong buck, f*** you. You come back from the army, you're paralyzed, you got shot up, f*** you. You're old, you can't work, can't do nothing, f*** you. You immigrate, don't got no skills. How your girlfriend, You you old Can't work in dinner you You immigrate don't get no skills. How your girlfriend look how your wife looked a beautiful. No, you Know people there are some I've been up to Lancaster to the maximum security prison up there and done some workshops and I Did a workshop for five hours the former NFL guy Steve Weather Weatherford I don't know if you know Steve punter

yeah you played together in Jacksonville they go yeah good buddy of mine so we went up there I took a few guys and there was about a room with 25 murderers right that all murdered or they were like on the scene when it happened and they got in there for life whatever right and there was And they were someone like the most lovely, kind men. Now they've been in there, they've been doing the work, they've been working on themselves, transforming, forgiving themselves. They've been in the work for years, decades, but there's some lovely people, if you're willing to change and do the work.

Yeah, I know that, but listen, how do they get, how do these beautiful people that we're talking about? How do they get a good break when they come out there? They got the stripes on their back. They wouldn't read your portfolio They see this prison shit you what you got the highest some of these guys got the highest form of education from Ivy League schools Online in prison. You can't get a job. That's true. You got Ivy League stuff guys. Damn hurt from there. Yeah in prison and can't get a job. They got Ivy League stuff. There's a guy at Stanford from there, yeah. Yeah, they got Ivy League stuff, man. These guys are geniuses.

They just went the wrong direction. These guys are geniuses. These guys are brainiacs. The reason why we can't have radios and stuff in prison with you is because one of these little crazy, intelligent bastards are turning into a phone where they can hear what's in the warden's office. You know what I mean?

So that's why we can't have the things no more, the Walkmans no more, the radio, because these guys turn it into devices where they can hear in the warden's office when they go send the people up for searches and lockdowns and all that stuff. These guys are geniuses, you can't believe it. They're like Einstein.

They're in there for murder. Oh, drug them, these guys are so smart, they blow your mind, man. It's wild. I'm curious. Every state that the school requirements have for college institutions, they're passing with flying colors like they were cheating. You think they're cheating? Not scores that they get.

Wow. It's wild, man. I'm curious. Hypothetically, let's say you could pick the day you get to die How old would you want to be if you could say okay? I can choose any day any year Would you want to be a hundred or two hundred years old like how old would you like to live until I? Wouldn't live long Cuz I wouldn't want to see my children die Wow, okay wouldn't live long, because I wouldn't want to see my children die. Wow, okay.

I wouldn't live long at all. Wow. That would kill me if I, you know, see them growing old. I lost a daughter at four, but imagine me with the relationship I have with my children now. You know, I would probably handle it, but I wouldn't want to deal with it. I wouldn't want to see it,

so I would want to die a lot earlier. Right. Well, say you got to, say it's your last day and your family was still alive. Yes. say you got to say it's your last day and your family was still alive. Yeah. And you died, say it was 100 and your family was still alive, right? What do you think you'd want people to say about you in 50 years from now? If that was when you died, what would you want people to say about you at your funeral or just in life after you pass? I don't know. I told my kids that my daddy took care of us. That's just more important. My daddy. You know, other people are going to have their opinions, their individuals.

Whatever it is, you know. And that doesn't bother me. I told my children. Because I've always been f***ed up in that department. You know, my children have to come visit me. They always have to see me in prison all the time. You know what I mean? Everything. I went to that part of my life. My kids always got to come through me and my brother. They always had to see me in prison all the time. You know what I mean? When I went through that part of my life, my kids always got to come do the glass, got to take, hang out with my kids, do the, oh. The worst, right? Yeah. Wow.

Well, that's tough. That's cool, man. It's a good question. I'm always asking myself this stuff, you know? That's what we are as people. We want people to think something about us. That's our ego we want to think. We want, I'm telling you, people's egos are as people. We want people to think something about us. That's our ego, we want to think. I'm telling you, people's egos are so big.

They want to be, they're mad they can't be at their own funeral. They want to see who came. I think I would want something similar, which is like, I would want people to know that I really cared about humanity, and I had a big heart, and I wanted to help people as much as I could.

And just that I was a kind human and I wanted to help people as much as I could. And just that I was a kind human being. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I tried my best to do as good as I could to help people. And then you have to deal with this. Your best wasn't good enough.

Oh man. Imagine that. Well, you're dead then anyway so you don't have to hear anymore. But listen, how do we know? Maybe death is another form of life that we go to. Another part of life. You know, how could life be glorious and death not be glorious? You can't have death if you don't have life. You walk through the hall and do it all over again. No doubt about it. But I say to myself about that too. I say, listen, is this an illusion?

People are born every second. What is the big, why would God need me to come back? He gets somebody, other people keep coming. Why do we need my energy back anymore? We already dealt with your energy. We doing some new, new. You die, let's see what's coming. We don't wanna talk to you about you. We may bring you up in some history class

but this work, okay? I think that's a part of my ego believing that we're gonna continue to live and we're gonna be reincarnated no you're finished you had your turn yeah you know it's possible but you think about like your question Mike of Alexander the great yeah and the thousands of followers hundreds of thousands of followers he had. And you think about everybody knows Alexander the Great's name, but they don't know Joe

Schmo from there. And the case is still that way. There are a handful of individuals in the grand scheme of civilizations that leave a mark that perpetuates on and on and so What you might think is why does the universe want me to what a spirit? Why does God want me to come back or need me to come back? and it's because you carry with you this knowledge that you spread that

like a virus wisdom game a flow of water over humanity may touch and affect and inspire others to dream and think in this way. You know, and that's why you come back, because for the souls that are here for maybe the first time, need to hear this type of stuff.

Because it takes a lot to wake up in this day and age of technology, you know, hyper accessibility and... Comparison, everything. Judgment, insecurities, everything, yeah. So tell me this, right? How does somebody that lived in the Stone Age connect with somebody that lived right today? He died during the Stone Age,

now somebody that today intertwined one of them, the energy intertwined one another. Hey, you're my cousin from 10 million years ago. Do we find things out? Do we receive knowledge from my death? Yeah, because in our DNA, it's all encrypted, encoded into our DNA, into our cells. Yeah. All of this ancient knowledge

of who we are. For my brief investigation about the toad and all this stuff and the universe, it's just hard to believe that so many people are born and what happened to all these people. And like you say, say a Chinese emperor one time, he led billions of people. And those billions of people accomplished great things, the Great Wall of China and all the great temples, all this stuff, right? Where are their names? Where are their names? Gone. That's a crime. Every million of them, their names should be mentioned. That's when they found the Territorial Soldiers.

They had thousands of them, but it was just too many of them. But they put their names on every one of them with different characters, with different soldiers, and they put their names on them. That's cool. And that's the closest that ever came down when the whole crew got that recognition in China. When he made a clay statue of everyone and the lifestyle of everyone of his soldiers

and his soldiers' horses and stuff and the guns and all this stuff. Well, in that same token of the, what did you say Mike? The actions of one of us? The conduct of one of the faith of us all. Yes, so in the same vein, the conduct of one Alexander the Great is the fate of his entire community, his entire tribe. Exactly. You know, so he is the embodiment of all of those people. It's true.

He represents it. Nobody ever went that far before. Nobody ever went that far. That must have been crazy. Imagine marching for 10 years. Imagine 10 years just keep going. Not ever thinking about home. Well, you think about home, but you never

know when you're coming back. They went mutiny on them when they got to India. They said, man, we're not going home. We've been gone for 10 years. We lost a bunch of people. We got children about other women from other tribes that in our group now, you know, it's just, whoo. That's crazy. Yeah.

Bro. Louis, what do you have going on these days, man? What are you doing right now? You writing any new books? You speaking? I'm working on a new book that I just started writing. It's about eliminating self-doubt. Nice.

I think self-doubt is the killer of dreams. And I think it holds us back from everything when we doubt ourselves. Hey, listen, why do we have doubts? Human beings are the only species that make doubt up when it's not there. Isn't it crazy? That's wild.

It's crazy. That's what I'm going to be writing about. Yes. How do we overcome that self-doubt that keeps us back and it doesn't matter. You know, I've you've probably seen some talented athletes over the years who maybe they were more talented than you or something. I don't know. Um and you're like but they didn't believe in themselves and you had enough energy to put yourself out there and believe. I met a lot of guys, maybe you did on the football field.

I was not the best athlete, but I made it past a lot of the guys that I played with. And I was, I was always like, man, you're so talented. You're a mutant, you're a freak of nature. But when it comes to the game, you get scared. And I didn't understand it. I never understood it. And the thing is, it doesn't matter if you're the baddest person in the world.

And if everyone believes in you and says you're the greatest, you can achieve it all. If you don't believe you'll never do anything. This is so interesting. This is something I always wanted to find out. Like I have some sparring guy partners, people that I sp- and when I'm sparring, I'm vicious, I'm the limit. I knock you cold, break you, drill your eyes. And there's some guys in there that kick my ass, right? And you're like, what? But you put them in the ring, put them in the ring. They're nervous. You put them some popcorn in there, and they panic. Won't throw a punch, I said, fight him like you fought me in the street.

It's fighting the same way. Please, this guy's gonna go mad, see him die. And they freak out, they panic. They won't, they... I think part of it is, this is something I'm gonna be gonna ask me that. And they freak out, they panic. I think part of it is, this is something I'm gonna be researching and going down. I think part of it is our ego and opinions of other people. We care so much about the opinions of other people

if we, the way we look, if we fail, if something happens we're not proud of. We're so scared of what our friends, our family, the media thinks of us that it holds us back from actually being in flow and giving our all absolutely That's true to with other things that in that realm. Yeah, there's some guys that don't got And it's gotta got the world and do nothing to shine and subverted They don't think much of themselves. They're scared to talk to girls. Now why is that?

Now if you talk about self doubt, you're just a girl. You're scared to talk to a girl. I know. I would buy one, no forget to, take that money, get a car, take a house, I got trillions, take the car, take the house. I think the fear of rejection, it's like the opinion of what that person thinks of you.

If they say no to you, then it means you're not worthy. And at the core of all of our fears is us not being enough. It's saying, I am not enough, and therefore I'm afraid of putting myself out there because what if this person says, you are not enough to me, I'm rejecting you? Then we get scared, and our ego takes over, and we don't wanna be put in that situation.

In some cases people kill other people for saying that. Absolutely. Yeah. People freak out. And it isn't interesting that you could have the world saying you got this, you're the greatest, and you not believe in yourself and not take up the opportunity. And in the reverse, you could have the world against you. And everyone says, no, there's no way you can do this. There's no chance you're not good enough. And all it takes is one person to believe

and that's yourself. And when you can be against the world, but if you have the belief, then you can go and create it. And so that's what I wanna- Absolutely. This book is about developing self-belief. I love that. And eliminating self-doubt,

because I think self-doubt is the killer of dreams. That's awesome. I used to have a mentor and he used to say this, confidence applied properly will supersede a genius. Oh yeah. A genius without confidence isn't gonna do anything. Yeah. Doesn't matter.

Amazing. Yeah, so I've got that of- You should interview Mike for it, Toad. I'm going to. Nice. I mean, I'm going to, yeah, for sure. I've got, so I've got that of... You should interview Mike for it, Toad. I'm going to. Nice. I mean, I'm going to, yeah, for sure. I've got that. I've got a documentary I'm looking to launch here soon that's about, it's called Chasing

Greatness. It's all about discovering what greatness is, and I'm excited about that. And then my podcast is called The School of Greatness. So we interview people like Mike, who gonna be coming on soon. So tell us, I'm gonna say something that John Kennedy jr. said, all right. I've known him well before he died, right? And he said this, I've met a lot of great men. But, um, and all those great men I met, I never met, there were no good men. And he said, um, after meeting all these great men, I decided I want to be a good man.

And that's what I said, I said, I want to be a good man. People told me I was great for a long time. But it didn't give me, you know, as I got older it didn't mean anything to me, you know what I mean? And then I realized that being a good man, you know, I mean it's worth more than being a great man. All great men are not good men. But most good men could become great men. Yeah, that's true. So true.

You know? That's great. So true. Because that doesn't give you anything. All of the material, success, it doesn't do anything for your soul. You may get five minutes, five years of gratification for your achievements, but it's not going to fill the hole unless you're at peace with yourself, you are in love with yourself. Listen, we're human beings. We're, you know, we're human beings. Imagine, how do you take, you're a great man.

How do you take that? Why, what do you say, I'm a bad? How do you take that? From a perspective of humanity, how do you take, you're a great man. I just try to say. I don't even know what that means I if someone says that to me, I would just say thank you. I'm trying to do my best every single day

I'm learning every day. I'm growing. I'm not perfect and I just want to help and serve so I just try to Absolutely focus on service and I say thank you. I'm just trying to serve It yeah, I thought of a great man's man like Gandhi, a man that gives up all his money, gives everything or something. But that's what makes him a great man. That's this man don't give money. But that's what make him a good man either. You know, he just value, he has a price,

but his price is not money. Might be sex, might be liquor, might be drugs. Or this might be his happiness. You know what I mean? And all happy people are not good people. You know what I mean? Yeah, you could be doing bad things and feel happy about it. You know what I mean? And all happy people are not good people. You know what I mean? Yeah, you could be doing bad things and feel happy about it.

All happy people are not good people. Good stuff, man. This is fun, guys. Really good when you see somebody that's in a bad situation and you try to make that situation better. That's a good person. That's a good person. You don't have to know him or anything but to make that situation better. That's a good person. That's a good person.

You don't have to know him or anything but to make a situation better. All you could do, you could simply smile. You don't have to do a lot to change someone's energy and make them feel better. You can smile, you can say how are you. It's just your energy, your way of being, how you show up. There's a lot of homeless people around LA. You live in LA? I live in West Hollywood.

Downtown LA. Oh, it's nighttime. West Hollywood, there's a lot of homeless people around LA. You live in LA? I live in West Hollywood. Downtown LA. Oh, West Hollywood, there's a lot of people too, yeah. Yeah, and on my side of town in NoHo, North Hollywood. See, in Hollywood, but Hollywood, they got the function of homeless people. They're still clean, they're still on the talk, have conversations and stuff. Yeah, these guys downtown don't have nothing.

They're gonna die there, man. Yeah, it's really bad. But, you know, I try to acknowledge them, at least. That's good. You know, I feel like those people are so beaten down that if another soul can just acknowledge their existence, that lifts them up to some extent. Yeah, that's true. Just smile and say, hey, I hope you're doing well. Amen. You know, God bless you. Good luck to you. I don't understand. Listen, it's funny you say that. It was a story about Alexander the

Great, and there was this guy, I forgot, Gungenius. I forgot his name, but he was a homeless guy. And he never complained. He was always happy. And Alexander was the king of Greece at that time. He said, hey, listen, I notice you. you have nothing, you're always happy, I have everything, what can I do for you? And the guy said this, he said, for once if you can please just get out of the way of the sun so I can get my pants. And Alexander just couldn't understand why this guy

had nothing but he was happy. And he had everything and he wasn't happy. That was confusing. It's interesting, I've been a part of a charity called Pencils of Promise where I'm actually tonight i'm flying to guatemala Every year I go on a trip. Yeah, we go to guatemala laos and gana and now It's cool there. I like it there, but we go and build schools I've been doing it for seven eight years a guy named adam brawn founded it scooter brawn

Uh, yeah, it's part of his brother. I don't know if you know scooter cool. We do. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm going tonight. And every year I go on a trip for about four days. And I see these kids that have nothing they're in the middle of they're so happy man. They have nothing. They have no schools. They have no why they have a hut. But then they get like a little sandwich. And they're just hanging out with their family. And they're kicking up soccer ball in a dirt field with you know trees in the middle of the field and they're you know they're so happy kicking a rock around. Well they don't expect anything. In this country we were taught to expect things even if we don't work we expect to have that beautiful girl, we expect to have that house, we expect to have that money, someone to give us money, yeah, to give it

to us. They're so happy, and so when I come, when I'm there for four or five days, and I come back, and I drive through Beverly Hills to get to West Hollywood, and I see. It's grotesque. The material abundance, and people honking in their $400,000 Bentleys or whatever, and getting mad, and I'm like, these people are so happy with nothing.

They've got family, they've got laughter, they've got health, and people in Beverly Hills, not everyone obviously, but I see people that are angry and frustrated. Cosmic joke, man. Isn't it crazy? No, this is crazy. People are so fragile, life is fragile.

It's hard living life. You see people, they say they make a bad mistake, they think it's over, they may kill themselves. Life is hard to live. By making them say, oh God, I'm gonna get no money, I'm never gonna get my girl, let me know if they ever love me, boom, I'm dead. You know, it's just people are-

It always passes though, right? You've been through some crap. But you have to go through it. Some people can't go through the rain. It's a lot of pain to go through. You have to deal with that pain. A lot of pain. Deal with that pain.

And you have to be willing to always see the light. It's so hard when you feel like you're suffocating though. But it's just your mind playing tricks with you. It's all mind games. It's on your mind. It's a mind game. We're so human beings, we're so drama filled. We're movies in our own selves.

That's it, stories we tell. We listen to the f**k, it's not even true when we're playing. We got the emotion to cry, it's cool, it's all right. It's over, it's gone, it's cool. Good man. Well. This is fun. What do you think, dude? We have a ball in here.

This is a great conversation. It's a great combo. I always started to have you on soon and just talk more about this stuff, so. Hell yeah, dude. Do you ever think about that? Like where the fuck am I gonna go when this shit is over? I know you don't think it's a blackout boom. Yeah. I know you know

something's gonna happen. I think about it every day. Yeah, you do. Because it's kind of exciting, too, to be honest. What's next? Exciting. Because God didn't make us for us to blank out. Do you think God made us for us to say, hey, it's over blank out, we don't exist anymore?

Come on. I don't think so. I'm interested. The galaxy is so big. I think sometimes that we're in somebody's system. No, we're in somebody's system. No, we're in somebody's system. We have guts, we have cells. We're cells.

We're living inside somebody that's just so big we can't even fathom it. Why not? You know? Why not? When we stop being afraid, we're ready to die. Isn't that crazy? That's the paradox. Even when you're young, we're no longer afraid to usually die.

You know? Interesting. Fear keeps us alive. Fear is a friend of ours. Even when you're young, we're no longer afraid to die. Interesting. Fear keeps us alive. Fear is a friend of ours. You have some realization. Yeah. And then you go. Should we wrap this up?

Sure, why not? Do you guys have a special ending too? No. Dude, thank you. This is powerful. This is awesome. It's beautiful. Big Mike.

Hope to see you again. Appreciate you, man. Thank you. It's just beautiful meeting you, man. Mike, amazing to see you. Thank you, man. This is powerful. This is awesome. It's beautiful. Big Mike. Hope to see you again. Appreciate you, man. Thank you. This is beautiful meeting you, man. Mike, amazing episode, brother. Hey, wait, where can people find you?

Yeah, tell us. At Lewis Howes, L-E-W-I-S, H-O-W-E-S, and on Instagram or wherever, and then School of Greatness podcast. Awesome. Yeah. Check it, y'all. Why do you think we could, we put greatness and wealth in the same category? I don't do that. We know most people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I

think it's uh I thought too. I think they think of like wealth and success. The reason why for me, it wasn't called school of success because I think that word is um I don't know. It's just not used that well. It's it's tied around like money and accomplishments where greatness for me is not about money accomplishments. It's about Service it's about how can you use the sacrifice? Yeah, it's about how can you use the gifts and talents that you were given that you were born with to cultivate them and pursue a Dream that you have and in that pursuit how can you impact the people around you, the maximum number of people?

For me, that's greatness. What do we do about homeless people? What do we do about having homeless hotels? Imagine a hotel like Vegas, like the MGM Grand, a 5,000 room hotel. Imagine something like that for the homeless. And as they go in the hotel, they learn how to take care of the hotel, they learn how to handle it, take the people, they learn how to bellhop, they learn how to administration, they learn all that, and then they built more hotels all over the world

for homeless people to learn how to live their life. I think it's a great concept if they have the responsibility and wanna do the work and wanna show up and work. That's the challenge. Man, well, we'll have you on again and we'll go deeper on success and greatness. I think it's awesome, man. I appreciate it, man.

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