The School of Greatness - Rhonda Byrne: This is How The Law of Attraction ACTUALLY Works!

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

When Rhonda Byrne was $2 million in debt and thirty days from bankruptcy, she discovered something that changed everything—not just for her, but for 34 million readers worldwide. The creator of The Secret sits down for a rare in-person conversation to reveal the mechanics of manifestation that most people get wrong. She breaks down the crucial difference between believing and knowing, shares why "acting as if" creates miracles, and explains how two underdog Olympic volleyball players used gold decorations to manifest their way to victory. If you've ever wondered whether your thoughts really create your reality, or why some people seem to effortlessly attract what they want while others struggle, this conversation will shift how you see the invisible forces shaping your life.Get your copy of The SecretPre-order Countdown to Riches: 21 Days of Wealth-Attracting HabitsThe Secret Manifestation Cards: A 65-Card Deck and GuidebookIn this episode you will:Discover why "knowing" something will happen is more powerful than believing it willLearn the "vacuum technique" that draws your desires into physical realityTransform negative thought patterns that block your manifestationsMaster the art of "acting as if" to accelerate what you wantBreak free from the patience trap that keeps your dreams at arm's lengthFor more information go to https://lewishowes.com/1826For more Greatness text PODCAST to [phone]More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Dr. Joe Dispenza – greatness.lnk.to/1809SCPrice Pritchett  – greatness.lnk.to/1821SCGary Zukav – greatness.lnk.to/1773SC Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy!Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome back, everyone at the School of Greatness, very excited about our guests. We have the inspiring Rhonda Byrne in the house. I'm so grateful that you're here. Oh, thank you so much for having me here. We were just talking about this right before that you have sold with the secret. Almost 34 million copies are in print around the world, translated in over 50 languages. And I believe this is one of your first sit-down interviews in person since you did Oprah about 16 years ago. That's true.

You've done a few virtual interviews over Zoom. We did one that got millions of views around the world. And you are back in person. I'm so grateful that you're here because there is definitely an energy about you in person that brings a different element. And I'm excited to talk about the things. Some things that we covered in the previous interview, but even more, because you have this incredible piece of art that you've come out with called these manifestation cards, the secret manifestation cards, which are beautiful. And I'm going to go through a number of these today and talk about this. But you have received so much celebration over the last 16 years since the secret came out.

But you've also had criticism of the secret and what this is. Yeah. And so for people that don't know what the secret is, if they didn't see our previous interview, and this is their first time hearing about shit, and it's their first time saying, what is the law of attraction and the secret? Right. Can you explain what the law attraction and manifesting actually is in simple terms before we dive in deeper?

Sure. Yeah, it would be interesting to say what, interesting to say how I describe it now after all these years basically every, not basically actually every human being is a creator and they are creating their life

and we don't know for many of us, we did not know that that was the case and we are creating our life through our thoughts so it's not that our thoughts are powerful it's that we are powerful and so when we focus on a thought and we really hold that focus that thought will manifest in our life and so we create our own life through our thoughts and through the mind the mind our mind is super super super powerful Yeah. For good or for worse? Yes. So, for example, we can talk about what we want and we will manifest that, you know. And so some people, they just see the abundance in the world. You know, that's all that they see. They don't see any lack. They just see abundance. And everything seems to go right for them. Everything falls into place for them. They invest in this and it sky rockets. And they buy a house.

in this place and that suburb goes crazy. And it's like everything they touch turns to gold. But it's because they have the mindset that is toward wealth and abundance. And they don't have a mindset toward lack. And we have a lack mindset when we say things like, I'm broke, I don't have enough, I don't have enough to pay my bills. And you see, whatever we say, whatever we say, is what our life will be. And so if we are saying, I don't have enough money, then by law of attraction, we will not have enough money. We will continue to not have enough money. So what we have to do is we need to speak about what we want. And we need to talk about, for example, if it's money or if it's health or if we're not feeling really great, then we can talk about what it feels like

to be really well instead of talking about not being well, right? Because if we're talking about not being well, we're attracting more of that, more of that, more of that, more of that. Right. And so that's basically law of attraction. I mean, it is so wonderful and it's so intricate and the more that you, the more that it becomes a part of your life, the more you see the little kind of twists and turns. Synchronicities. Yeah, like, for example, if you're saying, you know, I'm so overwhelmed, there's just so much going on at the moment, and I can't get on top of things,

and I'm just overwhelmed, guess what? Guess what's coming? More overwhelmed and more, you know. So when we speak about things that are frustrating us, that are overwhelming, that are stressing us out, that we're in lack of. When we speak about them or we're constantly in a loop of thinking of those thoughts and then speaking them to ourselves or to others, what I'm hearing you say is it's going to be a lot harder to get beyond those struggles than to speak in a different way or think in a different way.

Is that what I'm hearing you say? That's the case. And in fact, until we think differently, it won't change. Really? It wouldn't matter all the action in the world. All the action in the world will not override a belief that we have. And usually when we speak, for example, if I'm saying, I'm so overwhelmed, so much is happening. And when we're saying I'm so overwhelmed, we believe it.

Like we're saying it with conviction, right? And so the fact that we believe it, it's not going to change. We're going to keep more things are going to come. More things are going to come. And even if someone, let's say, they did work hard for a long time and they're feeling this overwhelmed. And all of a sudden they started to make a lot more money. But it's not going to change the overwhelm if they keep thinking it. it. That's right. So more money might come because you spent more time in this world and worked hard

and it's just your time to make more. Right. But you still might say, well, I'm still overwhelmed. It's not enough. Yeah. Right? There's not enough feeling. Even though you have more, you're still stressed and overwhelmed. You're still stressed and overwhelmed. And that's why you see people with money, some people with money who aren't fulfilled or happy. They're still overwhelmed. That's right. Yeah. So how do we shift it so that when more comes our way, we're actually not feeling more overwhelmed, but more in abundance and grateful for that. It's so simple. It's so easy.

We just have to talk about, think about what we want. And do we want to feel overwhelmed? And no, we don't. So what do you want? I want all of the success, but I want it to be effortless and easy. And I want to have lots of spare time. and I want to really be enjoying it. And I want, like, talk about what you want

and talk about what you want until you have what you want. When people talk about what they don't want consistently, what typically happens. They get that. That's what they get. More of what they don't want. Yeah, they get more of what they don't want. If we could just talk about what we want,

our life would be incredible. incredible, amazing, spectacular, that's it, just to talk about. But we are so, we have a world that's very beautiful, but orientated towards drama and, you know, news is negative and so, you know, it's challenging for people, but we're all in it together. Yes. Because we're all dealing with the mind and the mind that might be delivering a whole lot of negative thoughts.

But not one of us, it's not harder for one or easier for another. We all have this mind that can be like a flatmate and chatter, chatter, chatter, nonstop chatter, keep going on, you know. So we're all dealing with that. And the mind, it's just a, it's just a, it's just a, program. It's not an entity. It's just a program. And so through, I think, because certainly through my experience, through the secret, we, you can totally train your mind to be positive so that it is not leaning toward the negative all of the time. And positive is just what you want. Right.

Right. When someone is thinking or speaking about what they want, does that mean that they are in lack of it? Or how do they speak about it where it's not from a place of lack? Right. It's a good question. You know what I mean? I'm like, I want this, I want this, but I don't have it. So how do we speak about it where we're in gratitude and positive around it as opposed to I really want this thing, but it's not my life right now, but I really want it? Yeah, but the problem is you just canceled out the manifestation when you said, but it's not in my life right now. Yeah, because if you're saying that I, you know, well, you could say it like this. I would really love to have this. It's a little bit softer, right, than I want. But you, but to manifest something that you,

to deliberately manifest, you have to want it, but then you can't have any thoughts of, well, it's not here yet. Because the moment you say it's not here, what does Law of Attraction do? It's not here yet. And it's constantly not here yet. Yeah. So say this again, how do we really manifest something? We put it out there. We speak it or we think it, but then we detach from it. Yeah. And you know, here's the thing we so don't realize our own amazing power that we can just ask for something and it will be given to us. Now here's what the criticism online does for the secret. Okay. Or the law of attraction or anyone talking about manifesto. Okay. This is what I'll see people and this is typically people in lack

or maybe people with more of a negative frustration because they don't have what they want. They will say, or these are comments that I'll see, you can't just think something and expect it to appear without putting in the hard work, without action, without consistency. It's just the world just doesn't work like that. When you see comments like that or people say this. How would you respond to someone thinking that or saying that? Well, I don't, I always kind of feel that everybody has the right to think what they want and believe what they want. And I know it's not the case. I remember Lester Levinson said something so incredibly.

He was a wonderful teacher. He's not live anymore. But he was very simple in the way that he talked. And he told these students that if you want something, I could lock you up in a room and padlock that room and you ask for that and you know you have it, right? You know you have it now and it will come. Really? Yeah, it will come.

And nothing in this world can stop it. Wow. Right? What are some examples in your life where? you've thought or spoken about something you desired or wanted and it has come effortlessly or maybe an example of people that have written about their success stories. Is there anything you can think of? Right. Or maybe for a long time they'd struggled and manifesting or attracting what they wanted but they started to apply this and really believed it and that thing came to

them. Right. Well, when I did a book signing, and I got to talk to all of these different people, and every single person at that book signing told me about how their life had completely changed. Wow. And what was amazing was, so somebody would say that they wanted to have, they were working, I don't know, cleaning a bank or something, and they wanted to have their own sound studio. and that is what they decided to manifest and they visualised and visualised and they felt it and they wouldn't allow any thoughts of doubt to enter their mind

and they are now running one of the top sound studios in LA but not just that they met their perfect partner they bought their dream house they have you know two children or they travel every single thing that they wanted, they received. And that was what was so amazing about all of these people when I was signing books. It wasn't just one thing in their life, but these people were amazing. They did gratitude all of the time or they did affirmations

all of the time. And they had a complete change within themselves, you know, to be, kind, you know, to other people. And so they would think positively. They were aware when negative thoughts came and they would stop them in their tracks. And so for me, I think the biggest manifestation for me was the secret. Yeah. Because I was a mother of two children in Melbourne, Australia, I had this night where Henny Penny, the sky fell in. Everything in my life completely collapsed, right? And I had a huge awakening that night, pardon me, and realized how I realized all of this and how incredible we are and what we can do and what mastery we have over the world. And there and then I looked out of the world and I'm like, no one.

knows this. No one knows this. And so I was determined that I would find a way to take this to the world. I had no idea what shape or form it would take or, but that night I determined that that is what I would do. And so eventually a whole team were gathered. I had a production company at that point. And everybody might think, oh, if you had a production company, it's so easy for you to make a documentary. Ah, but let me tell you, ah, there's a snag. I was two million dollars in debt. Really? That production company was two million dollars in debt, and my accountant told me, you're going to be broken 30 days and lose everything. Yes, everything. And to this day, I don't know how it didn't happen. I do know, because I didn't allow that thought. I only allowed the

thought of taking this to the world and nothing else mattered, but getting this out into the world. And so, yeah, but getting back to your point, I would, like, I don't want to, I remember when, when I did Time 100 and they had all the cameras that was an interesting experience, wow, when carpet and walking down and they were all like, what do you say to the nascent? sayers. And I said, good for them. Good for them because I think one problem we have in the world is people wanting other people to believe what they believe. You know, I discovered something incredible. I absolutely know it's the case. Through my experience, through tens of thousands and millions of people's experience, I know it's the case. But if there's somebody that isn't ready for

this in their life, that's fine. Yeah. Right? Right. That's totally fine. Well, because a lot of people feel like they might be in a breakdown, you know, during that moment of your life, you were struggling with, you know, business, different things in your life that were happening, relationships. It sounds like there were some challenges boiling up. Yeah. But then this wisdom within you came out and you decided to act on it. Yeah. And one of these cards, again, this is a beautiful piece of art, these these manifestation cards and I want people to get this we'll have everything linked up

and I've gone through a lot of these already they're amazing I wish I would have created this this is incredible it says this card is great for this point in the conversation where it says everything is always on track always no matter where you are in your life currently and no matter how difficult things might appear to be in this moment you are always being moved toward magnificence yes so why are we moved toward magnificence even when we're in breakdown, stress, and feel like we're suffering, how are we on track when we're in that moment? Well, we are, though, we are.

And I mean, my, if I use myself as an example and sometimes excuse me for doing that, but that night that I talked about where everything collapsed in a heap and I was going to be broke, my health was really bad, my relationships were in a mess, my father had had died really suddenly. He was young, and he had died really suddenly, and my parents just had the love affair that I've, most beautiful love affair I've ever seen. So my mother was in terrible grief. And so I had all of these things, and then I was going to be bused in 30, 30 days. Wow. So I was able to turn all of that around. And if that hadn't happened that night, and I've thought about all of the things that led up to that night.

And, you know, I was making six documentary films about murder. Can you imagine? Wow. Yeah, a subject like, and it was heart-wrenching because these were unsolved murders and talking to the families and everything like that. But it was perfection, the way that all of these things lined up, that I was making these movies, and then that I plummeted into grief with my father

that I was so stressed about my mother and all of these things led to this incredible night on the 9th of September at 9.30 at night and where everything fell in a heap. And I, we could all say, oh, but that was so terrible, all those things happened. And not long before that, you know, years before that, I'd been fired.

never imagined, I'd ever get fired. But if any of those things hadn't happened, I would never ever have discovered the secret. And so, and I've been through lots of tough things since, you know. That hasn't been perfect? When, no, when we're human, you know, we're going to have things um we're going to have things that will come that will have us go further reach further be more magnificent be more understanding be more compassionate you know when you lose somebody really close to you you become very compassionate you know it helps to instill all of that and so absolutely i say that we are all on track The first thing people always ask me is, what do you feel about the world?

Do you know, oh, my gosh, it's a mess? And I just say, everything's unfolding perfectly. It really and truly is. It's unfolding perfectly. And the same for everybody. And somebody might be going through a really rough diagnosis. But from where I am, there's no end for any of us. Really?

No. we are consciousness there's no end right right yeah so it's not going to end even if there's a bad diagnosis in our life this is just this is just the vehicle this is just the car you know that we're that we're using to travel around in the world and so um yeah you do this is another one of your cards that I love it that speaks into this and I hope you don't mind me reading not at all this one says be grateful for your challenges and and you wrote all of these from your wisdom, which I think is amazing. It says, be grateful for your challenges.

It's all of the hard things and apparently negative things that happen to us, which give us deep desire to change our lives. Be grateful for them because they have given you the strength and determination to manifest something different, and you will change your life. And we were talking about this beforehand about how hard it is to watch people suffer. how hard it is to watch people you care about suffer, people struggling in the world that you don't know about and seeing suffering happening,

it's very challenging to witness, especially if you have a lot of compassion in your heart, if you're empathetic towards individuals, and if you felt pain yourself. Yes, yes. It's very challenging. It's very. So how can people be grateful for their challenges?

Even though we know, I know you know and I know that our biggest challenges, of our past got us to where we are today. It's like those moments of complete pain and suffering taught me my biggest lessons, which have given me strength and courage today. But how can people fully understand that when they have a horrible disease, when they've lost someone in their life too soon, when there's an unfortunate war in their individual life or in their country, they're going bankrupt?

How can we empower people to be grateful for their challenges when there's something? so much pain and suffering in their life. Because being grateful is what will change their lives. And so the difficulties that they're facing. I mean, we have a lot of stories on our website about people with health challenges

and how those health challenges just disappeared with love and gratitude. So, and just being grateful. being grateful is I mean that that is just number one that's the fastest way for anybody to change their life and I think if if you went out and asked most people they would be they would say oh yeah I you know I know it's important to be grateful I think most people would agree with that grateful isn't spiritual or you know it's just being grateful and I just if you want to see the power that you have to change your life really fast, then start doing gratitude. And it will

just blow your mind. It changes everything. Again, the next card I just turned to it is gratitude is the great multiplier. Set the universal forces in your favor for tomorrow. Tonight, before you fall asleep, go back over your whole day in your mind and replay each good moment, feeling genuine gratitude for each one. This practice ensures the universe will make your tomorrow a day filled with good moments and plenty to be grateful for for the next day as well. Absolutely. And when we are ungrateful, when we are not in appreciation for the good, the bad, the ugly, what happens in our lives when we lack gratitude? We're taking things for granted, which means things will be taken from us. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. When we take things for granted, they get taken from us. Yeah. Gratitude will hold

absolutely everything to us in our life. It will just, it will stick everything to us. How do we be grateful when we're in suffering or sadness or loss? I know. It's really hard, but there's, I guess there's like, there's like suffering, sadness and loss. loss that continues in that way or there's suffering with gratitude and the suffering gets easier. Right. Or there's sadness with gratitude and the sadness begins to lift or the loss with gratitude. I know because of my mother was so grief-stricken with my father having died and what brought my mother right out of it was gratitude.

She was just so grateful that they got to have all of the years together that they had, that they had five children, there were five of us, and they had five children that they had an incredible life that they loved, they loved each other, was love at first sight, and they loved and adored each other until the last moment. And she was so glad that he didn't suffer. her she just found so many things to be grateful for and this was the love of her life but from doing that gratitude she just lifted herself up and began to live a new life you know so so what happened was she reduced the you know reduced the pain the pain and the grief because eventually it will

lesson but she and she just felt absolute love for everything that I remember her saying to me she's not live now but I remember her saying to me you know I've had such a blessed life I was like wow you know you went through a war you went through you know they didn't have like I came from very humble beginnings that my parents did not have much and yet she saw her life is rich and blessed. Wow. You know? That's beautiful.

Isn't it? A lot of it's perspective, you know. Yeah. If we hold on to resentment or a lack of forgiveness in our life. Yeah. Are we able to manifest and attract beautiful things if we hold on to resentment and anger and don't forgive? I think we can still, because we're attracting every day, so I think we can still attract things, but will those things bring us peace and happiness? Not when your heart is full of resentment.

Because if you're full of resentment, what you will attract is more people's circumstances and events that will cause resentment. Oh my gosh. Yeah. And that's just to show you that there's something to let go of. You know, everything's very beautiful. Everything's beautiful. Can you explain that what does that mean something to let go up so it's time to let go of that resentment that because that original resentment is attached to some story or another that we have about somebody did something to us and and and isn't it crazy that maybe somebody did but but then that we would carry that for years and by carrying it we keep attracting more of and more and more of them it. So that just, it just shows you how all of those religious texts and everything, they call it really

right. Yeah, of course. When they said not to, you know, lump thy enemy and all of those things. That was said, all of those things make total sense. Don't carry those things with you. Well, that lack of forgiveness, that resentment is an energetic force that's almost attracting more of those things and resisting the abundance of peace and harmony. It is. When you're carrying and holding on to that anger, you're resisting peace. Yeah. This is another card.

Again, I'm just in the flow right here that says feelings are powerful manifesters. Remember that worry attracts more worry, just what you said. Unhappiness attracts more unhappiness. Fear attracts more fear. And remember that joy attracts more joy. Happiness attracts more happiness. Love attracts more love. Yeah.

And it's the times, what I'm hearing you say, the times when it feels like it's the hardest is the times when it's the most important to be in a state of gratitude, happiness, and love. Yeah. Because holding on to anger, unhappiness, and worry only attracts more of that. More of it. And I think everybody experienced that right during COVID. Yes. Right?

With all of the worry about COVID, which then turned into fear and people became more fear more fearful and then things seem to get worse and then more fearful and things got worse and things got right when you got the whole world when you got the when you have the majority of the world in so much fear it's going to get worse it is yeah do we should we be thinking more about our thoughts or our feelings when it comes to manifesting and attracting abundance good question um you know what i would say i would say for people to choose whatever's easiest for them. I did thoughts. I became very aware of my thoughts,

but too, I have to say, I also became super, super sensitive to what I was feeling. So much so that if I wasn't feeling good, I would not open my computer or any e-mouth. Why is that? Because if I'm on a frequency, if I'm on a frequency of,

frustration. When I open up those emails, in comes frustration. In comes problems. And so I wouldn't answer my phone if I wasn't feeling good. And in fact, the whole secret team knows very well. If you can't get a hold of Rhonda. For them, I told, I said to them, if you don't feel well, please don't touch the secret. And if you had an argument with your spouse, house or you got really, you know, fell out of bed the wrong way, take the day off. Don't touch the secret. Unless you can shift out of it quickly. Yeah, if you're unable to shift. Which they all can now. Yeah, but this was early days. Right. Yeah. So I was really, really careful to, so feeling good. I guess if you ask people how did they feel, they might say, oh yeah, I feel, you know, I feel pretty good.

But what I want to know is, do you feel happy? Because if you're not feeling happy, then you're unhappy. Like, we could say there's just two, you know, too emotional. It's black and white. Right? Happy or not happy? Exactly. Yeah.

And so if you're not feeling, and if you think about a time in your life when you felt happy, and I don't mean over-excited. door. What I mean is just happy, you know, just feeling full and happy and it's a great day and you're really positive and friendly to everybody. Yeah, that's happy. And the other, that kind of numb feeling or, you know, it's another day kind of. That's unhappiness. I will say, Ron, I grew up not thinking that I was very smart or intelligent. I struggled in school. So I had this belief that I wasn't smart enough for really anyone or anything. And I was never going to be able to figure things out because I had this kind of belief based on testing poorly, just struggling

in school. It was hard to read and write. And I just felt like everyone around me was smarter based on kind of school system and tests. Now, I learned later that that wasn't true in other areas of life. I had more street smarts rather than school smarts. But I remember in my early 20s, not thinking I had skills to go into a career because I lacked success in school. And early on, I was trying to figure out how can I start to make money? How can I get opportunities for me when I don't have these skills? And what I said to myself early on was I'm going to bring joy and happiness everywhere I go. When I would enter a room, I would think about, okay, this is a pathway to joy.

And I would smile as I would cross the doorway. I would cross it. I would just open my heart to joy and smile and enter a room and smile at people. And when I would smile at other people and just ask them a question, how's your day? They would smile back and bring that mirroring energy. In this next card here, you say live in joy. Humanity needs your joy. Planet Earth needs your joy.

The universe needs your joy. and that's why you are here find what brings you joy start living it and you will have a fulfilled you will you will have fulfilled your purpose and when i didn't know what my purpose was i just said i'm going to be joy and that is purpose and things started to unfold in my life financial opportunities people wanted to be around me more and they wanted to help me i didn't know why except for that i brought joy and happiness. So I want people to know that, you know, when you bring joy, even if you don't know what direction you're heading or what should I do next or the next chapter of my life, joy unlocks opportunities, like you said. And I love this message in this card here.

Well, that was just such an insight that you received, you know, where that's like a divine message to you to do that. Because on the frequency of joy, is everything that you could ever want. Really? Yeah. Everything. Yeah. It's not when you're in anger.

Join. I mean, people must notice. You know, I just think it's so obvious. Look at your life and you can see how you're creating it. Like you get angry and then one thing happens and then, oh, no, something else happens and then something else happens and something else. You know, I mean, we've all had those days. It's like a snowball of bad things. Yeah.

And we just keep creating one after the other. Yes. But yeah, on joy, because joy isn't the same frequency as love. Uh-huh. So it's right up there and it is incredible. And that's why in the secret documentary and in the secret, why I say nothing is more important than that you feel good. Mm-hmm. Because when you feel good, you're on a feel good frequency.

absolutely everything you encounter in the day, all the people, all the circumstances, all the events will be feel good. They will be things that make you feel even better, even better, even better, even better, even better. So, yeah. There's a quote from a famous football coach in America. His name is Vince Lombardi who passed away, but he was a, he won a number of championships for the Green Bay Packers, I believe it was. His quote that he would say to his, you know, his team, his athletes was that you'll he what do he say he said either be fired up with enthusiasm or you'll be fired with enthusiasm right it's like you either got to bring the joy as what he was saying bring the energy bring the positive excitement or you'll be fired passionately right because it's

hard to manifest or excel at a high elite level in sports or something if you're not bringing passion and joy in a loving, happy, joyful way. It's hard to, maybe you could have some success, but to kind of maintain that level of opportunities and flow, it's hard to do that without it, right? Wow, that's really interesting because that's the same with life too. Right? It's really, like, for example, when you're in joy, you will manifest so fast. It's a really high frequency and you will manifest really, really quickly.

the thing is if you're in grief and despair it's very slow and that is so that's a protective mechanism for all of us because I had one time in my life where I hit depression and because I was extremely worried about my daughter and I just it was just like this black cloud and I thought I have completely thought myself to hear. I could see all of the scary thoughts that I believed and that and I am here, now here is where I am.

And I knew I was here because to experience it so I could help people out of depression. And so. So no one else created you to get there. Oh, I did it. You created yourself to do it. Yeah. Yeah, because I just believed all these thoughts.

thoughts that I was all these scary thoughts. I was just believing them all. And my daughter's fine and well today, you know. They were just, they were just all thoughts. And yeah, so now, I mean, I'm really, I guess really fortunate. I tried everything that I knew, which was to be grateful and to think positive thoughts. So I tried thinking positive thoughts. I could feel how weak they were. What do you mean by that? They didn't have a lot of power behind them. So they were like, I'm happy, but I'm not really happy.

Yeah, not feeling it. Because the depression was, you know, it was strong. And so what I did was I decided to not resist the depression, but to love it. Tell me more. And it melted away. What does that look like if someone's going through three to six months at a lot? imagine this, I had to create like a picture of this, but I kind of, like, I could feel the sensation of it because depression is just a sensation. All of their feelings are just

sensations and they're not actually us. They're just, they're just a sensation. But I could, I would get that sensation and I would feel that sensation of depression and then I just imagined putting my arms around it and pulling it into me. And that was hard to do. Not pushing away or resisting it. Yeah, because that's what we do. You see, we push away bad feelings because we don't want to feel the pain, right? We numb them. We try to escape from them. Exactly. We do everything. But I did the opposite because I knew what you resist persists, right? Yes. And so I just imagine putting my arms around. The most that I did it, it just evaporated, that whole feeling of depression. And then a couple of hours

later, it started to come back, not nearly that same level, did it again. In three days, was totally gone. How long had you been experiencing the depression for? Was this weeks? Was this months? It was like a couple of weeks. A couple of weeks. And if you would have resisted it or numbed it or tried to escape it. Yeah, I'd still be there. Really? Yeah. So what I'm hearing you say is that you embracing the sadness, the pain, the grief, the loss, whatever it might be, but embracing it and creating a relationship with it, as opposed to pushing it away, allowed it to flow through you and leave you. Yeah, it can't stay. Because nothing negative can remain in the face of love. Wow. Love is the light. And,

And everything negative, you could say is darkness. There's one way to look at it. And so if there's love, the darkness just disappears. And that's why it just evaporated was the most incredible feeling. And I knew I'm experiencing this so I can share it with people. How does someone, I mean, the secret 34 million plus copies, you know, tens of millions of people have watched the movie. All the other books and programs and products that you have have been, you know, sold by millions

of people, have been bought these things. How does someone believe they are worthy of great things the way you have been able to do great things in your life and impact the world in such a magnitude that you have done? How can someone know and trust that something is destined for them? Maybe it's not at this level, but something as great is destined for them. How do they know that? And did you know this, your entire life leading up to this, that something like this was supposed to happen?

No, I didn't. Really? No. But the moment I discovered it, I knew it. I absolutely knew it. I knew this is why I was here. I knew it with every fiber of my being. Yeah.

So, but prior to that, I didn't. I was really ambitious, okay? You were driven, you had a business. I was driven. But when I say ambitious, I was only wanting to perfect, be great myself. I wasn't in competition with anybody. I wasn't trying to be better than that person or I just wanted to be the best that I could be. And so I did it.

But after I discovered the secret and my whole life turned completely around 360, I looked back on my life and I saw that every single thing in my life was leading to this. Really? Yes. Because just even things like I worked in a newsroom for a radio station. And so when the secret went crazy, like crazy, and I just had every news media outlet in the world in every country coming at us. and I did very little and because I knew

that what happens what can happen is that the media will build you up to tear you down and I knew that because I had worked in news and I'd worked in media and so I had seen it

is that why you did very you did Oprah and that was really it? I did Oprah and I did Oprah because I knew Oprah lived this and you see I did I didn't want to go onto anything where I didn't want to have arguments with people because I'm not trying to convince you to do anything. I discovered something and I wanted to share it.

And if you find that it's incredible for your life, then I'm so happy. If you don't want to hear about it, that's fine too. So I didn't want to get into situations with people where they're like, oh, this is, you know, as if the mind can do this. this is all there is his mind, you know, they don't even realize, like, it'll be hundreds of years before it is realized what the substance of the universe really, really is. But right now, we can use this knowledge to completely create the life we deserve to have. And what you were talking about about being this great greatness, I think some of us were born to do something

like this. But then there are others and I think about this with my mother, right? My mother stopped working when she was like 19 years old and she had five children. But my mother achieved greatness because she was an incredible mother and she was an incredible wife. And so her level was different. And I think, you know, what you did or what I did, not everybody is prepared to take the risks. You took risks. Yes. You can't do it without the risks. Yeah.

I took huge risks. I put everything on the line. I would have been on the streets. You know, I like mortgaged overdraft. I did everything possible to get the secret out to the world. And I didn't care, honestly. happened to me after it. I just wanted to get it to the world and that was it. And so you have to have there's something within you that it really pushes you. But then there are people that they might

love what they do, you know, and they don't want to be running a company. They don't want the stress of that. They love their family. They want to spend as much time with their family as possible. They'd just really love to have a better house or, you know, and I think, and I think, honestly, if you can live your life and you can bring joy to other people just by your presence, just by your presence, if you can do that, oh my God, you've lived the greatest life possible. You really have because every single person, their true nature is joy and their true nature is love. and that's why you feel so good when you enjoy. Right. Right. Yeah.

And that's why we feel so good when we're loving. And being loving is smiling to that person like you did, you know? I'm opening the doors and I'm going to smile. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, you talk about kindness. This is the next thing on top of here.

You just say the kindness. We're in sync right here. We're in sync. Kindness changes everything. Want to see your life change for the better today. then be the kindest you've ever been to every person you encounter. When you do that, it's hard to have a bad day. Or you can't.

It's not possible. That's why, just do that. You know, like I'm like, just do that one thing. And you don't take my word for it. Try it for yourself and just see for yourself what happens. I remember this person contacted us really early on. and he said, he decided that he was just going to be happy. I think it was a hairdresser and he said,

I'm just going, I'm making a decision that I am going to be happy and I'm going to see what happens. And it was incredible what happened in his life, got his own hairdressing salon and all of, just because he made a decision to be happy. What? What's on the happiness frequency? Everything that you want to make you happy.

Absolutely. You know, I'm sorry. I'm curious about after the secret came out and every news outlet in the world wanted to hear more about what you were creating. You do, Oprah, which that, you know, blows up everywhere. You're a time 100 most influential person in the world. You're selling tens of millions of copies

within the first few years. This message was everywhere. You could not go into a store without seeing this book. No, true. How did you navigate the success and not let that weight or pressure break you? Because some people want the impact, the success, but then they're not ready for it. How did you prepare yourself? And was that a conscious decision not to do a lot of interviews after that to not be picked at

or try to be pulled down in certain ways? That was a conscious decision. it was um but like did you feel ready for the success do you feel prepared or or did you feel like this is a little overwhelming i never felt it was me what do you mean i just i just it was the message that was the star interesting and i never felt that it was me like even writing the secret book i absolutely knew that and making the documentary like it was a miracle what happened and making that documentary, the way everything that we ever needed just landed right at our feet. It was so spectacular. It was the most incredible thing I've ever seen. And I just knew the

universe, you know, just putting that in that most affectionate way, I knew the universe was with us. And so, and writing the book, it was the same thing. Like I felt such a rush in writing that book, I couldn't write it fast enough, all the things that I'd learned and practiced, and I wanted to share with people. But you know, I had, like, I got a burst blood vessel in one of my eyes. I had my feet got all cracked. All the skin on my feet got cracked from the high frequency in writing that book. Really? Yeah. Because you said you were telling me before off camera that you wrote this book in Santa Monica in an apartment, just a few miles from here. With my laptop of my lap. Was your laptop on your lap, on a small little apartment?

Yeah. Were you on the beach? Were you off the beach? What was your environment like? Off the beach. It was a very simple little corporate apartment. The documentary had been released and I was writing the book and I had, it was just the perfect situation. I knew exactly everything that I wanted to say. It was really just rushing through. through me. And because of the frequency you had, you know, so your body was feeling. My body really, yeah. That is fantastic. And after it, I wasn't wiped out. You were like exhausted. You were like, energetically drained. Energetically drained, yeah. And so then with each, then with each book that I wrote was, I tried to manage that more, you know, that I, that I wasn't

so wiped out. Now I could write a book and not at all. Right. Yeah. But were you, a writer before this? No. Do you know what? Was this your first book? The secret of your first book and you sold 34 million copies. That is crazy. I know, right.

I remember when Beyond Words contacted me and said, we want you to do the sacred book. Well, I knew there'd be a sacred book because I'd seen it in bookstores in my mind all around the world. Wow. In the front window, I'd seen it. I didn't know what it looked like, but I could feel the book. and and I said yes I knew there'd be a secret book

and I said okay and they said and we want you to write it and I said I'm not a writer and guess what I heard those words and I'm like yes I am

you switched it yeah because I'm not a writer means that you will not be a writer right and I'm like yes I am because I can do anything that I put my mind to. Everybody can do anything they put their mind to. And so I wrote and I was very specific.

I wanted to write to people as though I was just talking to them and not, you know, any kind of incredible huge words or anything like that. I just, I wanted to be super, super simple because law of attraction was a hard concept to get your head around at that time. It's a lot, it's understood a little more these days. And this is what I love about what you did because you first said you saw it in your mind and you felt the book in bookstores. Yeah. You felt it. So you were connecting the thought, the visualization of what you saw in your mind and the feeling. You had those two things connected it sounded like. And this is where I think some people get wrong about the law of attraction

or the secret is they, you know, you had those two things, the thoughts and the feelings as if it was already happening, but then you took action. You wrote the book. You didn't just say it's magically going to like be in bookstores. There had to be some action somewhere, whether it was you or someone else. Yeah, but I had the publisher come to me to say, you know, write the book. So I attracted that. But do you know what? With that book, I honestly feel like I was just the stenographer. You were just downloading it.

That's why in answer to your question, how did I manage all of that? Honestly, I never, I just felt like I was the luckiest person in the world to be a part of that journey. But I know without a doubt the universe was just there. This had to come out into the world and it was there to help. at every time. If someone is applying these principles and think they're not drawing in the person, the publisher, the right person to hire the thing to support them in manifesting what they want, does that mean they're not ready for that thing to come out into the world?

Is it not the right timing? You know, because you could have wanted this 20 years prior, but it didn't happen then. It happened at the moment you were ready for it, it sounds like. Yeah. So how can people let go with their frustration of really wanting something to happen now versus knowing when it's the right timing for it to come into the world? Right. So the difference is just simply believe.

So you have to believe you have it already. So if I explain what my belief was like, my belief was a notch above believing it had already happened. mine was knowing it had already happened. What's the difference between believing and knowing? Because one, because knowing is the highest you can get. And it's actually knowing is beyond the mind, but believe, but you can manifest with believing too. So I didn't just believe this had happened.

I absolutely knew it. Wow. And I knew it and I knew what it was going to do. and I, how can I, it felt, I knew it so much that I felt like I had already lived the entire journey of making it and it coming out and that I had such a great time that I was reliving at. Oh, that's pretty cool. That's how, that's how it felt. This is fascinating what you just said.

This unlocked something for me. The difference between believing and knowing. Yeah. I grew up in a religion, the religion of Christian science, which is all about healing and applying healing thinking and applying the mind to the material world, but really there is no material world anyways. But one of the things that I would hear over and over again, when I felt like something was off in my life or I felt like I was feeling a pain.

or something physical in my body was off, out of alignment. We would have Christian science practitioners, spiritual practitioners, that would give us prescriptions, but they weren't medications. They were spiritual medications, essentially, right? Gotcha. And it was, and they were always called truths. And they would always say, know the truth. They didn't say believe this.

They would say, know the truth. and when you know it, it is true and it is a reality. And it was hard, it was confusing as a kid because I was like, well, but I feel this thing and there's this pain, but how can I know it? But what I'm hearing you say is believing can really help you in a big way, but knowing is what unlocks manifestation into another level. Yeah, knowing it's just done. I mean, there have been times for everybody when they knew something. They absolutely knew something was going to happen before it happened. So let's say...

And how do they know that? Yes. How did you know that? And you don't know how you knew it. It's like an intuition or a feeling or something, right? Yeah, right? You knew it. Like, somebody's having a baby and they don't know what sex it is.

But you're like, oh, I know it's a girl. I absolutely know it's a girl. And everybody thinks you're just guessing like everybody else. No, you're like, I know it. I know it's a girl. or there's a spinning wheel and you all of a sudden you're like, I know it's going to be number 11. I know it and it's number 11.

But you knew it. How does that happen? Yeah, because it's above the mind. It's above the mind. So you definitely know it. That's crazy. So you don't have to be at knowing to manifest. You just have to be believing, and might I just say, that you just have to be more believing

than not believing. So that person who's not, you know, they're waiting and it hasn't manifested and they're here and here, the difference is they're not believing it has done already. The moment they're believing more that it's done than it hasn't arrived, it'll manifest. How do we stay patient and... See, well, if you need patience, you're not believing it's manifested, right? Interesting. So is there, can you give me...

So you're done for right there. So give me an example, give me an example, if there's an example in your life personally or something you've seen from a friend or someone who's read the book where they were like, man, I've been waiting for this to happen, it's been 10 years, I feel like it's supposed to happen, I believe it's happening, but I haven't got the thing that I've wanted yet. or it hasn't happened yet, it hasn't come to fruition yet. Right. Should I have more patience in manifesting?

Should I expect it's already here now? What should I do? Okay. So I've definitely had some people do that. One in particular. She was wanting to have a baby and get pregnant. She had visualized, visualize, visualized, visualized, getting pregnant.

She had been doing affirmation. She'd been grateful that she was getting pregnant. And she's like still, I'm not pregnant. Now, I just, and I think she'd even done IVF, and that hadn't worked. And so she'd sort of given up, yeah. And I just knew that for a woman who can't get pregnant, getting pregnant has a lot of resistance around it. Because when you've not been able to get pregnant, get pregnant, get pregnant, there's like real resistance around that getting pregnant

and so much so that the resistance was outweighing her resistance that I'm not pregnant yet was outweighing her visualization and all the other things so I said to her I don't want you to visualize that I want you to visualize holding the baby because that's the outcome right that's the end result you don't want to be pregnant for the rest of your life

right you want to be holding the baby So I said to her, I want you to visualize holding the baby. I want you to hear the baby. I want you to feel it in your arms. Wow. Pregnant in a month. Wow. And I've done that with a lot of women.

This is, you know, even you saying that, I'm not a woman, but it's like imagining, you know, a child coming into my life from my partner. And hearing the baby, having the baby against my chest, being born, you know, feeling the heartbeat. of the child next to my heartbeat having this beautiful moment like I'm already seeing the future happening now yeah by experiencing that feeling as opposed to like I'm feeling it oh I know you better be careful you're gonna be careful I know right you want to have children now I do at the right time yes okay at the right time yes yeah but it's like when you feel that and you really imagine an experience that feeling it's as if it's already happened or it's happening and you're feeling it and therefore

you're allowing that to come to you and you're allowing that as opposed to resisting it yeah where this person or friend of yours was like I really want this come here come here but uh but like it's not here yet because so many so many disappointments you see you know women I know go through a lot who can't get pregnant so there's just one disappointment after another or maybe they got pregnant and then they miscarried. And somebody else, they're two Australian girls, volleyball players and they were playing in the Olympic Games. And these girls were just so brilliant, so clever.

They were not at all the favourites, far from the favourites. They were way down the chart. And what they did was they filled their entire apartment with gold awards. They got everything, gold leading up to the Olympic Games and they had gold everywhere. They bought all these awards everywhere, gold. Do you think anyone could have beaten them at the Olympic Games? Wow. No chance. Wow. The ball was going to bounce in the perfect way. They were going to be in the exact perfect

position. You see, because. So when we talk about action, the kind of action, the kind of that you have to do for when you have used the mind, that action's effortless. That's why writing the secret book was effortless. It's effortless. But if you go out into the world and you're like, make this happen and you want to do all the action, oh, you're going to struggle. Oh, it's going to be hard. You might get there eventually, but it's going to be harder than it could be.

Yeah, and you'll get there eventually, but you only get there eventually because you think it gradually bit by bit. That's the only reason you get there because you had the thought, oh, things are getting better. I'm starting to see success as coming. You're having these little thoughts along the way. That's the only reason you make it. You cannot do anything in the world without thought. Nothing. You show me one invention that's happened without thought. Right. You have to imagine it first. Right. You have to come up within your mind and then you alchemize and create it in the world. Exactly. And so for those girls, you see, they lived with that gold and saw themselves winning gold.

And so that, that, and I bet if you ask them, they would say winning that gold was effortless for them, that they just got the right breaks that everything happened, the right way for them, because it would. And, you know, sports people are so amazing at visualizing winning, right? And then it does look effortless for them because they're in the flow. They're not working hard. They're effortlessly moving to their desired result, right? How do we navigate the ego when, let's say, when success comes our way, you know,

whether these girls who win the gold medal, you know, an athlete and you selling millions of copies in the first year or months or whatever and getting all these operations. opportunities, how do we navigate the ego from not consuming us, but success actually allowing us to multiply into greater success? Yeah. Really good question. Like, how did you navigate that? You just, you certainly have to remain humble, you know, and humble and grateful.

And I think we've all seen people that have had success and then it's just rob. just find themselves in the most awful drama of, you know, terrible situation where they made one mistake and just everything, you know, the whole world turned against them. So you have to remain humble. Otherwise, truly, you're in for a really rough ride. And you could visualize all the most wonderful things and you could, you know, achieve all of that and manifest all of that. if you don't remain humble because if you look at it anyway, you never did it on your own.

Like even if you just look at physically in the world, I mean, I knew we had the universe behind us. I felt it with every step that we took. But even I've got the most incredible team. I mean, we did intentions meetings at 11 o'clock every morning and where we intended and in those meetings, we were celebrating the secret having swept the world and having become a global phenomenon. That's what we did in those meetings. Before the book came out. Oh yeah, but we danced and we celebrated that. That's what you've got to do. You had the feeling of joy and excitement and gratitude. That it was already done. Wow. Yeah. If you want to go traveling, if you want to see the world and you're like, I don't have any money, how will I ever go traveling? Straight away.

law of attraction says okay done you know I don't have any money but if you want to go travel get out your suitcase this is the funniest thing you said is because my my fiance Martha

she's Mexican and grew up in this Mexican traditions and over the holidays I don't know this never happened to me growing up in America but over the holidays they would do this thing around Christmas and New Year's her family and I believe this is a Mexican tradition But her family, they'll all get out suitcases during the holidays and say, where do you want to go next year?

And then we leave the house with the suitcase and say, we're going to Japan. We walk out and we skip down the sidewalk with a suitcase, me and Martha did. And then each family member does this and tells the experience of where they went. I'm going here and this is where it's going to feel like and the experience and it's this joy and excitement talking about the trip and we take the suitcase out the door

and then we come back and we tell the experience and we said this this last year Japan and now I believe we literally just booked our trip to Japan happening in like a month Oh I was going to say you are going to Japan Yeah it's happening no it's happening Yeah but even though I didn't know

when or how At the end of the last year, we set an intention, we celebrated it, we talked about it, and we allowed the universe to open up to see when is this possible, how is this possible, what are we going to be doing, right? And things are coming to us in a way that's going to create a beautiful magical experience. Oh, so fantastic. But we took our luggage out and so I don't know if this is like a Mexican tradition. Oh, this is amazing.

So literally what you said, they do every year is really cool because it sets that intention. Yes, acting as if is what it is. It's acting as if you already have it. Like I remember there was this lady who wanted to be in the audience on the Oprah show when I was going to be on there. And the audience was completely full. It was booked out. But what she did was she got a suitcase out and she got a flight to Chicago. I mean, this is somebody really, really game. And she gets a call a message on her phone when she lands in Chicago to say, come to the studio, we've got a seat for you. Yeah. But she had already intended it and went down. She had to get a seat. This is fascinating. Because she really, like, she really believed in you. So acting as if, like, I know

I wrote this in one of my books, but there was a, there was this woman who wanted a horse. She couldn't afford to buy a horse. So she went and bought the bridle. And, she put the bridle on her table in front of her and looked at that bridle every day. Is that the saddle? The bridle, I think it's the, I'm not a really great horsey. For like the mouthpiece? Yeah, the straps that go around the head kind of thing, I think. And within a couple of weeks, she through actually the most extraordinary set of circumstances,

she got offered a horse. My goodness. Yeah, through someone, through someone, through someone, through someone. and she got off at a horse. But of course, she was acting as if she already had the horse. She bought the bridles. So, and I always say the universe abores a vacuum. Is it again?

The universe abhors a vacuum. So a boars is A-B-H-O-R-S, a boars. The universe dislikes a vacuum. The universe can't tolerate a vacuum. It has to fill it. So if you create a vacuum, which is why like for all the people who will, want to meet their perfect partner and you go to their house and their wardrobe is totally full and there's no room for their partner's clothes, right? And they sleep in the middle of the

bed, where does their partner sling? Right. Right. So you've got to create a vacuum and so you're going to sleep on that side of the bed. So the partner sleeps there. You got to make room in the bathroom. Interesting. You need to make room in the closet. You've created a vacuum. Then the person can come into your life. That's so funny you say this as well. because Martha, my fiance, she, when she was single before we started dating, she bought herself a home and she was going to buy a queen-sized bed. But her coach was like, well, are you trying to, you know, what type of man are you trying to attract?

She was like, well, you know, a king. You know, I'm trying to attract my king in my life, right? Not saying that I'm a king or whatever, but like I'm trying to attract. And she was just saying, explain what does he, what's he look like? Is he short? Is he tall? Is he, you know? And she was like, nah, he's like 6'4. And, you know, he's an athlete and he's, he needs space, right? And her coach was like, well, you can't buy a queen or full-sized bed if you want to attract a bigger guy. You need space. Like you said, you need to have a big. So for a number of months, she had this big king-sized bed and she's tiny. She's like five, too, right? So she was, but she was sleeping on this big bed. She's like, ah, is this weird? Because I have this extra space, but she allowed room for me to be there as well. How amazing. And you hear this with...

Your life is full of these stories. It's right. It's so good. And you hear a lot of, I'm assuming, you know, mothers to be, they create rooms with a crib and they have the room ready for the, that's like creating a vacuum, right? Right, it is. For the baby to them. Yeah, good observation.

Right? A lot of mothers do this, nesting or whatever might be, right? Yeah, great observation. That's another example of like, okay, I'm struggling. getting pregnant, but let me just intend and set the intention that there will be a child here. Yes, yes. But I got to do it before it comes. Yes. And you know what people might say, some people might say, oh no, you might jinx it. Hmm. Come on. Come on. Are you going to believe that thought? Yes. Don't believe that thought. Don't believe any thought that you don't deserve

things. You deserve everything you want. Everybody deserves everything they want. And there's no shortage. Yes. This is a card you talk about with negative thoughts. How do we, when we want something, how do we learn to navigate the negative thoughts that come and go? Because not all of us, you know, are going to be able to have perfect positive thoughts all day long, especially when there's challenge or breakdown or maybe some financial strain or or pain for. physical pain. So how do we navigate negative thoughts based on what you've talked about? The secret really is to become more aware of what's going on in your mind. And you might, to begin with, just become aware of your feelings, you know, and all of a sudden you're not

feeling very good. And I promise you, if you're not feeling very good, it's because you've had a whole lot of negative thoughts that you've been giving your attention to. And that's why you don't feel very good. And so you need to become more aware. And so I just had somebody yesterday say to me that they spiraled downward in a particular situation. And then they kind of came out of it and they were like, why did I do that? Why did I let all of those thoughts get me down like that and I and I said to her but you know what you what you did is amazing because you saw it you know even if you went down with it you still saw it you came out of it and you like look what happened that was all negative thoughts so you caught it yeah you caught it and so for me like

really early on um you know I would only realize a couple of days later or but the more that you do the faster that you catch it and a negative thought feels so alien now or negative thoughts feel so alien that they're foreign to you now yeah but most people it's negative thoughts are so familiar because that's all they know is negative thinking i know you get in a trap or in a cycle of thinking you wake up negative you wake up frustrated resentful and you follow through and you go to sleep frustrated and negative thinking. And it is a familiar feeling. I've been there in the past. It just becomes a familiarity of just everything is against me. The world is against me. This person is trying to take advantage of me. Negative, negative, negative. And it can feel like

you're in a trap or you're stuck. It can feel extremely hard to get out of it. But the more we practice, what I'm hearing you say, the more we practice catching it and being aware of it. Yeah. and practicing, having, replacing it with a different type of positive, empowering thought. That's right. Then the more familiar that will start to feel as well. That's right. It's just a pattern that is, the mind's just a program. Yes.

You know, it's just a program. So it's programmed right now based on what each of us have been putting into it. And, you know, I lived like decades with, you know, caught up in dramas. I mean, I'm really grateful to the universe that it didn't wipe me. out, you know, because, oh my gosh, you know, if I think about different negative, you know, things that I'd get caught up in and talking about and, you know, gossip, like, for example, is just such a negative awful thing. It's a low frequency energy.

Very low frequency. Yeah, really low frequency. So. Gossip. Yeah. It's one of the lowest frequencies, I feel like, right? Sure is. Yeah.

Yeah, sure is. It doesn't empower you to attract what you want. No. And, you know, for the law of attraction. like there's only one you there's only one so it is responding to your thoughts to your words but there's only one there's only you and so whatever you say about another you're bringing to you can you say that one more time okay so for law of attraction it's responding to thoughts right and so your thoughts and you can't think a thought for me and i can't think a thought for you

Right? So law of attraction is just responding to my thoughts and it's responding to your thoughts. And so what it is doing is if I am talking about, oh, she's, you know, she's this, I saw her do this, I saw her. You know, and she did that to somebody else, you know, too, blah da-da-da-da-da-da-da, this big story. You're saying all of that, all that blame and law attraction's giving it to you. Oh, man. Yeah. We can't think, we can't think badly of somebody else without it affecting us. It will come back to us. Guaranteed. We're just not making the connection. And so we attract blame. So we're blaming somebody. And then we go into work the next day and we've made the biggest mistake of all time

in our job and we're hauled into the office and the boss is going right through us and we don't make the connection. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no. Kind thoughts, kind. Yes, to others.

Do it for you. Yes. You know. Because what we think about others, we're attracting to us as well. Yeah. It's hard, but the universe can't make that distinction, right? No. The difference.

No. And there's only one for. law of attraction. In truth, there's only one too. Overall, we feel very individual, but there is only one. But for law of attraction, there's only one. And if you think about it, it has to be that way that it's just responding here to these thoughts, to these thoughts. It's responding to these thoughts, it's responding to these thoughts. It's, none of it's personal. Not personal Oh, it's not saying, oh, I know you don't really want that. I'm not going to give it to you.

Right. But if you're speaking of you, we're talking about the secret manifestation cards by Rhonda Byrne. Make sure you guys get a few of these decks. There's tons of different decks out there in the world that people make. But I don't think I've seen a deck this beautifully done. The design, the artistry. I know Nick was heavily involved in this on your team. Yeah, amazing team.

amazing team it's beautiful i mean i just want to like frame these they're like pieces of art so they are powerful i think it's 65 cards 65 cards and a 16 page booklet that is in this that will give you in a moment you pick it up you take up the first one you shuffle the deck yeah you're going to get inspiration and by law of attraction like if you wake up in the morning and wake up in the morning and draw a card by law of attraction that you're going to get an inspiration that is the most important message you need to hear in this moment. Let's go. Right?

Let's go. I'm excited. I want people to get this. The secret manifestation cards. Oh, thank you. Make sure you get this. I've got a couple final questions for you, but people can get this at the secret. Dot TV, I believe it's the main page where they can get it.

Everyone's social media, the secret or the secret 365 is also on Instagram, but pretty much everywhere, the secret on social media and the secret. Secret.TV where you can sign up for the newsletter, get information about all the books that Rhonda has, the last book. The Greatest Secret is incredible. We talked about that in our previous interview. It's incredible. I have a couple final questions for you, Rhonda, but I just wanted to say before I asked them, I'm so grateful that we're doing this in person. There's an amazing energy about you that is magnificent in itself. The energy, the wisdom, the wisdom, the passion and the joy you bring. I'm so glad we're doing this in person. I hope we can do this

every year or in the future again and just continue to have these conversations because I feel like there's an amazing flow here. So I've loved every second. I'm very grateful you're here and I know people love hearing from you. So I'm so glad that we're doing this. This is a question that I'm curious about because you've done so much and you've impacted tens of millions of lives. what do you see is next for you you know beyond this do you have a vision of what you're trying to create in the future or is it more you stay very present and you allow things to come to you at this stage where are you at currently in your life um certainly uh certainly i allow myself to be guided and i don't kind of make up my mind there's a book i've been thinking about for a while

and for the last year, and I've been doing some research on that, so that might happen. We've been doing apps, and so I've been enjoying doing that with the team as well. My, I just, all I want to do is keep creating in the hope that to reach more people. and to help more people have better lives. Yes. And so I don't even mind what shape or form that comes in just as long as it reaches people. Yes.

Yeah. And it just, I mean, that's just what you live for. And I'm sure that is the case for you too. That's what I'm doing, yeah. Right. When you get that feedback, it's just absolutely amazing. And then you're like, I knew this is what I was meant to do. Yes.

And isn't it a total feeling of serving is a real feeling of that, is it not? 100%. That's where we get a lot of fulfillment when we're in service. Of course. Yeah. That's beautiful. I'm so excited. Well, we're here to support you, spread the message whenever you have the next book or

project. So we're here to do more of this. I asked you this question the last time. It's what I asked everyone towards the end of my interviews. And I'm curious if it's the same or if it's different. And we'll have to go back and hear the previous interview to see. where is that. But this question is called the three truths. So imagine a hypothetical scenario. You get to live as long as you want in this physical world, but it's the last day for you.

Somewhere in the future, it's the last day. And you get to continue to create all the books, the apps, the projects, or whatever you manifest in the future, it all comes true, as it has for you in the last 15, 20 years. But for whatever reason in this hypothetical scenario, you have to take everything with you. So no one has access. to the manifestation cards, they don't have access to the movie, the secret, the book, or anything you've ever created. Hypothetical scenario. And all you get to leave behind are three lessons that you've learned and everything else

has gone. What would be those three lessons or what I like to call three truths for you? Well, definitely to love everything and everyone. to be grateful for every moment and to be the joy. I love that. I'll make sure to link up the previous scene in you so we can see what you said before. It's probably similar. So people can watch that.

I have one final question, Rhonda, again, I want to acknowledge you for your joy, for your light, for your creativity, for showing up. for yourself fully, for living a harmonious life internally, so that you're able to create effortlessly in the world and be of service. It's a beautiful thing to watch. And again, I hope we get to do many more of these in the future, but I acknowledge you for the gift that you are, and I'm very grateful for the impact you've made on so many lives. So thank you for being here. Thank you so much. Of course. My final question is, what is your definition of greatness? humility that's what I would say yeah because I think if you humble then you've definitely got greatness

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