The School of Greatness - The REAL Reason You're Unhappy In Life & How to Overcome It

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

Leave an Amazon Rating or Review for my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy!Sadhguru returns with profound wisdom about living fully by embracing our mortality. After surviving two life-threatening brain surgeries in 2024, the renowned yogi shares his extraordinary near-death experience and why consciousness of death transforms how we live. He breaks down the difference between psychological drama and actual life experience, revealing how most people suffer because their own intelligence turns against them. He also introduces his new Miracle of Mind app, designed to address the mental health pandemic and explains the eight types of memory that shape human experience. Anyone struggling with anxiety, seeking deeper meaning, or wanting to live more consciously will find this conversation life-changing.Download the Miracle of Mind appBuy the book Death: Only for Those Who Shall Die-a Yogi's Guide to Living, Dying, and BeyondBuy the book Inner Engineering: A Yogi's Guide to JoyBuy the book Karma: A Yogi's Guide to Crafting Your DestinyIn this episode you will learn:Why pleasantness in body, mind, emotion and energy is 100% your business while external success requires cooperation from othersHow consciousness of mortality eliminates time for things you don't genuinely care about and creates natural humilityThe difference between psychological drama (your thoughts and emotions) versus actual life process and why confusing them causes sufferingWhy your intelligence becomes your enemy when you don't know how to operate it, leading to stress, anxiety and mental illnessHow the eight types of memory create your sense of identity, but aren't actually youFor more information go to https://lewishowes.com/1800For more Greatness text PODCAST to [phone]More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Sadhguru  – greatness.lnk.to/1117SCDr. Caroline Leaf – greatness.lnk.to/1785SCDr. Rangan Chatterjee – greatness.lnk.to/1716SC Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy!Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX

What is our purpose? Why are we here? What happens when we die? All these questions, I don't know the answers to, but I do know that we can learn from history. We can learn from our personal experiences and we can create meaning around all these different things. And today we bring back the inspirational spiritual leader, Saad Guru, to share some of these lessons that he's learned from his spiritual practice and all the teachings that he's done to millions of people around the world.

He's a visionary and spiritual teacher and we explore the essence of living and dying with awareness. We dive deep into what it really means to live a good life beyond material success or spiritual performance. We also talk about how to challenge yourself to rethink what you're really chasing in life and hopefully to inspire you to live fully, not for attention, not for likes, not just for money, for money's sake, but why are you living the current life you're living now? And what do you want to really be doing?

We talk about the meaning of health, peace, love, and bliss and how to cultivate all of them, not from the outside, but on the inside. I am so grateful to be alive today. I'm so grateful that you are here today, listening to this, being a part of this school of greatness community, because we are on this journey together. And believe me for the last, I don't know, 20, 30 years of my life, I just struggled with so many things internally. I suffered, I struggled. I questioned things. I doubted people. I doubted my reason for

existence. I didn't understand why things happened the way they happened. I didn't understand why I was going through so much pain at different times. And it just was hard. And if you're going through one of those moments right now where you feel like, man, it's just hard. I don't know why. I don't know the answers. I don't know what the purpose is for this.

I think this might inspire you. It might be something that you can take away from this conversation that hopefully opens you up. Now, Sadguru is also, uh, you know, can go down a rabbit hole sometimes. So take with everything that you get out of this that resonates with you and, uh, just be willing to explore and try anything on and whatever works for you to support you in your inner peace, your inner harmony. That's what this is intended for.

You're designed to experience life. We get to choose how we want to experience it and how we want to perceive the experience, which is the hardest thing to do because you could be going through a very challenging time, a lot of adversity, a lot of loss, grief, grief, frustration. But for whatever reason you could perceive it and still be joyful, peaceful and happy. You could be making all the money in the world, have all the success, fame, and be perceiving it with a lot of sadness and depression still. Life is about our experiences and

how we perceive our experiences. We don't know all the answers but we can ask questions and we can perceive things in different ways to create more peace for ourselves today. So I hope you enjoy this with the one and only Sadguru. Before we go into death, I'd love for you to talk about how to live a good life because I think that's what's most interesting for a lot of people. See, when you see a good... when you say a good life, different people have different ideas. For someone, good life is a certain kind of home, certain kind of family, certain kind

of automobile. All right, it's very important. Dr. Seheult Or motorcycle. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan So, essentially, why we are gathering all these things or for somebody else, it may be a religious practice or their aspirations to go to heaven or whatever. Essentially, a human being is looking for pleasantness of experience. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yes.

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan We might have talked about this earlier, but let me touch upon that. See, if you become pleasant in your body, we call this health. You want it? Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Absolutely. Sadhguru You must say yes. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yes. Sadhguru Not to me, to every cell in your body. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yes. Yes.

Sadhguru It's very important. They're listening to you. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yeah. Sadhguru You say the wrong things, they'll do wrong things. So, pleasantness of the body is called health. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it pleasure. Yes? Yes, absolutely. Pleasantness of the mind is called peace. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it joy. Pleasantness of emotion is called love. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it compassion.

If your very life energies become pleasant, we call this bliss. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it ecstasy. If your surroundings become pleasant, we call it success. Only to create pleasantness of our surroundings, we need the cooperation of everybody and many, many forces around us. It is a talent you have to harness all these things to create pleasantness in the surroundings. But pleasantness of the body, pleasantness of the mind, emotion and energy is 100% your business. That business of being pleasant is forgotten by a vast majority of human beings.

Adam Chapnick Why is it forgotten? Dr. Jayaprakash Nairnath I'll come. Because they have forgotten that they are mortal. If they… when I say mortal or mortality, what it means is you're on a limited lease of time and energy. Time is a ruthless roll. It's rolling for all of us at the same pace. You're happy, it rolls. You're unhappy, it rolls. You're successful, it rolls.

You're a failure, it rolls. You're awake, you're asleep, it rolls. Do whatever you want, it rolls. You don't have brakes on it. Nor do you have a rewind set on it. It's just ruthlessly rolling away. As we sit here in the last five minutes, both of us are closer to our graves by five minutes. This is the nature of life.

If you're conscious that I'm mortal every moment, then you will see how to make the best out of everything. Above all, you will have no time to do things that you don't care for. If you are doing genuinely what care, what you truly care for, and I am also doing genuinely what I truly care for, you will see your life will be beautiful, my life will be beautiful, the world will be beautiful. Right now too many people are doing what they don't care a damn about because you're doing something, I have to do something against that or for that.

Either I have to follow you or I have to beat you. This nonsense has led people away because why people are not aware of their mortality is see this whole development of your brain and your intellect is a very recent happening. Maybe hundred, thousand or I don't know, maybe a quarter million years probably. I don't know the exact time, but it's more recent. So we've still not gotten used to our intelligence. Right now, you can say many things, but essentially what human beings are suffering is, their own intelligence has turned against them.

That's all. You can call it stress, anxiety, depression, this, that. I was talking to some top psychiatrists in UK and they said there are seventy-two varieties of mental ailments. I was surprised. I thought maybe half a dozen. Dr. Jay Harness 72, yeah. Dr. Jay Harness 72, I asked what are the 72? They went on giving me the list, one thing stuck in my mind.

It seems compulsive nose picking is one of them. They start bleeding in the nose but they can't stop. Okay? So right now, what is torturing a human being is their own intelligence. If you had the brain of an earthworm, you would be quite peaceful and you would be eco-friendly also, which the California people are trying very hard. So this whole problem is this transition from being an ape to human being happened rather too quickly. In terms of DNA manifestation, according to the DNA scientists, the difference between

you and a chimpanzee is only 1.23 percent. 1.23 percent is not much, isn't it? So physiologically, that's how close you are to a chimpanzee. But in terms of intelligence and awareness, your worlds apart. So you have an intelligence for which you don't have a stable enough base of physiological and chemical base. You're like fluctuating. If you don't stabilize that, your intelligence will turn against you and that's all you're seeing.

And in this intelligence turning against you, the one of the most important factors is that we have forgotten we are mortal. Our societies in India, it's very common right from childhood, we take them to cremation grounds to see that people die. Everybody should know that you die one day. Here we mask it. Even when the man is dead, he is dressed in a suit and tie. It looks like he's going somewhere, he's going to a party.

And actually lot of people are describing, he's going to a party, all his friends and relatives are waiting there, he's going to have a big party. If there's such a big party, why are you not going, I'm asking? If there is such a party, you must go first. Why are you telling me to go? Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Right, right. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan So, fairy tales and fairy tales has made people build castles in the air, which are not true.

And they may sustain you to an ordinary day. If it's a moment of death, it freaks the out of you. So in India, what is the culture like with death? You say when you're younger, you're showing it more frequently or how is the approach to it? See, we don't hide death. Slowly we are getting into urban cities are getting into Western ways, all right? Otherwise, we cremate people and it's a thing where the whole family goes. And sees it? Sees it. Watches it? Yes, yes the whole family goes. And sees it.

Sees it. The watches it. Yes, yes sir. Wow. Watches it. If you want to go on a spiritual path, the first thing is you must go and sit in the cremation grounds and watch. Because you become spiritual, not because you think of God.

You become spiritual when you realize you're mortal. When you realize one day you're going to end, naturally you want to know, what is beyond, where did I come from, where will I go, what is the nature of my life? This is a natural question in human intelligence. If you mask it as if it's never going to happen, then you... that question never arises within you. This is a great disservice we have done to humanity by telling them fairy tales and masking the whole process of death. It's a reality. When I say death, I'm not talking about it as an event that happens once in… at the end of your life. John Huston Every day… every moment we're dying.

Sadhguru It is happening. It is happening right now. You're in tango. Life and death are in tango. It is happening right now. You're in tango. Life and death are in tango. I can say I'm living. I can also say I'm dying. It's the same thing. Because there is some negative connotation to the word death, if you say you're dying, it's supposed to be something wrong.

No, no, we're all dying kind. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan All dying kind. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan We're all dying kind. I must tell you this. You know, as a part of… because I felt that post-death, the way the services had become in many cities and towns in India, we set up lot of crematoriums as a service, volunteer service, it's free of cost for people who can't afford and everything. So this, I named it with a Sanskrit word called Kayantastanam. It means a place where the body ends.

So our volunteers came up and said, Sadguru, this is a Sanskrit name, not everybody can understand, can you give an English byline? I said, okay, Kayantastanam, everybody is a customer. That's true. Everybody is. That's true. They said, no, no, no, Sadhguru, this is too much up in the face, say something else. I said, okay, Kayantasthanam, we shall wait. We shall wait. You will come.

Maybe I'll go before you, but you will come anyway. We must know this every moment of our life that the way we are right now is not a permanent fixture. You are not a permanent fixture on this planet. Countless number of people before you and me have come and gone. They also thought they're very smart. I don't know whether they were podcasters or not. But I'm sure they were something great in their own nonsense. All right? Everybody thought they're great. They were kings and emperors and all. Where are they? All topsoil. And it's... that's how... that's how it should be.

That's how it should be. If you or me are a permanent fixture on this planet, it's unbearable. At least the world needs respite from us. I mean, you went through, was it two brain surgeries last year? Yes. I banged up my head a bit. When you had those brain surgeries or when you went into those, were you afraid of death or were you afraid what might happen next? You can see that it's all recorded.

So I started having excruciating pain in my head in the month of end of January, 2024. But I had full engagements, so I went on. I don't take painkillers because I want to know what's happening. If I take painkiller, then I don't know what's happening. I may be causing damage and I will not know. It became excruciating where like one side is like almost paralyzed with pain. Yeah, but I kept on with all the activity, lot of travel inside the country. Then on March 10th, I think, eighth…

Eighth… March 8th is the Mahashivaratri, full night festival. Before that, I've been traveling up and down the country. It's a full night celebration. I'm in lots of pain. You look at the videos, you must play that video to your people. I'm whole night I'm dancing, meditating, talking, everything. Nobody realized anything is wrong except one or two people around me, they knew I'm in

pain. So I was just putting some cold patches just to calm the eyes a little bit because it was like… Alan Wilson Throbbing in the side. Yes. Like electric. Alan Wilson It's the worst. It was going on.

Then tenth I did and sixteenth I'm supposed to travel to United States, sixteenth of March. That's my birthday. I was coming for your birthday. I know, I know. And then I had some travel to Chennai and Mumbai and then I came to Delhi. Fourteenth I had a event. The doctor looked at me and said,

– Sadhguru, you can't do this event. You should not. You must immediately come to the hospital. I said, it's a private event, I've accepted. It's nothing much, it's somebody very important, but small group, I'll handle that. So he said, okay. Next day I had a media event. The India Today television has an event.

It's a 45-minute conversation with one of the journalists. The doctor said, you cannot do it, I'm putting my foot down, you just can't do it. So I tried to tell them, the India Today people, you know, I have a family emergency, I need to go. They say, Sadhguru, tickets are sold, everybody's come only for you, how can you do this? Till now I have not canceled a single event in my life. No matter what's happening with me, I do it.

So I told the doctors, see, they are saying this. They are counting on me. Yes, I can't back out of this. He said, I will talk to them. You can't go, he said. I said, please don't do this. I'll just gently do it. It's nothing. I'm just… as I'm talking to you, I'll talk there. He came for the event. And I'm talking and forty-five minutes are over, supposed to stop. The journalist wants to ask, he wants to get the best out of me. One more question, one more question. By then, my left leg is oscillating by itself. It's just doing this. The previous day they did an MRI scan and they found out my brain median had moved 8.4 millimeters. Doctor said, Sadhguru, twelve is fatal. I said, I won't go there. I'll just finish this and come.

Once the leg started shaking, I knew I've crossed lines. I could just be paralyzed anytime, a stroke can happen, anything can happen. Then I just stepped off the stage, the doctor was looking at me like this. I said, I've crossed all lines, do what you want. He took me straight to the surgery table, when they did the scan, I was 11.5 mm off the median, 0.5 millimeters of fatality. They immediately took me to a surgeon, they cut a big window open and they did whatever. And they're putting me on anesthetic.

All these young… young women were all nurses from, you know, in Delhi. These women come from variety of backgrounds from all over the country. They all know me, they follow me, but they never got to see me. Here they got me down on the table. And eight of them are looking at me like this with big grins on their face. Probably only one or two are needed, but they all want to be there. Then I said, see, when I come out of anesthetic, don't smile like this. I may think I'm on the other side. They all burst out laughing then by then it was working and I just knocked, conked out.

It just, within minutes it just knocks you out, you know. Then the surgery went well and you know, surgeries are surgeries. Good time to recover and yeah. Yeah, I recovered. Very unstable, couldn't walk straight, my balance was gone. But I kept everybody up, their spirits up because otherwise everybody's in this thing. Even the Prime Minister called to just check how I am, all over the country, big news and some people cursing me, some people saying this, all kinds of things.

Then I recovered. Doctor said, six months no driving. And you're like, I'm going to go tomorrow. And two years no motorcycle. Oh, man. So three weeks I was in Delhi, about fifteen days, sixteen, seventeen days I was in Delhi. Then I landed in Coimbatore and I drove to the center about… In a car, drove the car, yeah.

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan For a few minutes. Their thing was if you drive and if there's a jerk, something happens. I said, see, if I'm driving, at least I know when it'll jerk. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yes. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan If somebody else is driving, I don't know when they'll jerk the car. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Your head like this. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yes.

So they said, no jerks, no shakes, no fall. I said, I'll take care of that. Still the wound was open and all that stuff, but I went back and whatever, people were very happy, emotional, because they all got terrified that my come-to-an-end. I recovered from that and twenty-one days after that, I had fixed a program in Bali and Cambodia. It's a very niche group of people, they had registered from all over the country, particularly Chinese and Russians who can't come to India right now for whatever geopolitical reasons. They are all registered. And doctor said, no way, you're traveling. I said, see, I'm...

I'll travel private so that... No, you could knock your head, this can happen, that can happen. I said, I'll take care of that. My daughter said she'll travel with me and they said, we'll take care. And also there was a whole team taking care of me. So I went to Bali to do the program. There were lots of physical activity, I cut out all that. Just the class part…

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan teaching, yeah. …teaching alone, I'll handle. Other things, there are other people to handle. So, it went very well. Four days and then we're supposed to go to Cambodia next day. By then, I'm putting a plastic wrap on my wound and swimming a little bit because I needed… Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Oh, yeah. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan I needed exercise, you know. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan That's the best thing to do is to be out in the sun and to do something.

So me and my daughter were swimming in the pool. After that, I just came up and sat on a chair, she was sitting on the floor. A big monkey came. The doors of the room, the sitting room was open, glass doors all. I came through another door, a glass door also. And when I came, I left the door open and came. And this big door was open. The monkey came and wanted to go inside because there are lots of fruits, you know, in Bali,

lots of heaps of fruits, so monkey is going in. So, my daughter instinctivelyively she screamed at the monkey. And the monkey turned around and came with his mouth open like this. Adam Hickman At her or you? Sadhguru At her. Adam Hickman Wow. Sadhguru I have seen monkey bite injuries, they'll rip off your cheeks like that. I've seen one person, this half the face gone.

Adam Hickman Oh man. Sadhguru And it's coming towards her. So, instinctively I got up, I had my walking stick just inside the thing. So, I ran for the stick. Somebody had closed the door. I went and banged full speed into the glass. The glass made such a big bang, the monkey ran away. So, the purpose was served, but my head was cracked. So, I thought immediately I'll fly to Delhi for another emergency surgery because they had said if you hit your head, this is it. Then I thought I'll wait till that night and see if there are any symptoms. Immediately imbalance will happen, pain will happen, all

that. Nothing happened. Next day morning I woke up, I was fine. I said, okay, I'll fly to Cambodia. Three more days, I'll finish this. In any… any signs means I'll go back. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yeah, yeah. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan But I went through next three days of program I went through, then I flew into Coimbatore city, which is a southern Indian city. From the airport, I went straight to the scan. Once again, bleeding. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Internal bleeding. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yeah. Not outside, only inside. Then I went for another surgery. That surgery also went okay, no problem. But on the third day after the surgery, I'm forgetting the name of that, some kind of psychotine,

psychotene or psychotine, whatever kind of storm, every cell in the body went through a storm. This happens only if you have sepsis or some other kind of serious infection. I had no infection of any kind. So doctors could not make out what happened. So I know I'm kind of seeping away within myself. Dr. Justin Marchegiani Really? Dr. Jayaprakash Nair Yeah. Dr. Justin Marchegiani Not with anesthesia? Dr. Jayaprakash Nair No, no, no, three days later.

And I opened my eyes and see fourteen doctors are standing there including the chairperson of the hospital, all tears in their eyes. They think they lost me because all organ failure started happening. Wow. I looked at them and then looking at their faces, I knew they're kind of sort of giving up on me. When I close my eyes, I could see in every cell in the body like I'm seeping away like that. Like you felt it. Yeah,'m seeping away like that. Like you felt it.

Yeah, like beautiful, just like that, you know, like suppose in the middle of the night you woke up and you know, much more like let's say ten, twenty times more than that every cell in the body, just letting something go, that kind of feeling. So I closed my eyes and I became a lot more conscious and I kept myself like that. And in about an hour and a half, I turned around. So when I came out of that, six hours, they were in very difficult situation with me. About an hour and a half, they thought they lost me completely. So that took some time to recover. But within two months I was on the motorcycle.

Dr. Justin Marchegiani Crazy man. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan With the engines I'm riding because I just wanted to see if I'm really there or not. So I'm fine. So I kept joking, they removed half my brain and I'm doing great now. Dr. Justin Marchegiani You're doing better. Did you have any fear during that time about... No. I am always living like this that if it comes now, I'm ready. I won't turn back and look.

But a lot of people don't have that. If it comes, they'd be afraid to die right now in their life because maybe they haven't fulfilled what they want. They'd be afraid even if it's... if they reach hundred. That's true. They'll still be in the same condition. But more of like, sad that they didn't live a purposeful life, that they wanted... the life they wanted to live, right?

Purposeful doesn't happen because of time. Purposeful happens because of intent and awareness. The thing is, see, over eighty percent of the people, if you observe them during their last moments of death, they're not in pain, they are not in fear, they're just bewildered because they misunderstood their psychological drama as life process.

What's happening in your mind is your psychological drama as life process. What's happening in your mind is your psychological drama, your thought and emotion. But you think that is life. It's made up by you. It's not really life. Life is not made up by you. It's not made by you. It's happening.

That's why you do your drama. Life you did not create, isn't it? You created this life? No. I'm creating my life. See, you're creating the situations. Life is not situations. You're misunderstanding the arrangements of life, accessories of life as life. Is this clothing me? No. Is this chair you? No. Is this clothing me? No. Is this chair you?

No. Is this body you? It's a part of me. You accumulated it over a period of time, isn't it? The cells have accumulated, sure. No, no, it's the food that you've eaten, it's just soil. Will you get it now or one day you'll get it from the maggots? That'd be decomposed one day, yeah.

No, no, that's not the point. When the maggots get you, they clearly tell you you're topsoil. Yes. But if you know that right now, you would live differently. Yes. Everybody gets it from the maggots. Few get it now. When they get it now, life changes.

That what you call as my body is a piece of the planet that you accumulated, magnanimity of creation that you can take soil, make it food, and make it into this body and how wonderful it is, how many things it can do. So, if you forget that, that you gathered this and whatever is on your mind, all impressions gathered or did you come with it? A.G. Gathered it?

N.G. Gathered. What you gather can be yours, can never be you, isn't it? So now the problem is this, people have never experienced life most of the time. So when the moment of death comes, they just bewildered, they didn't even start and it's ending. Better start, I'm saying. Dave Korsunsky So, is it the psychological drama that keeps us trapped or keeps you suffering and stress and sadness and distracted from your personal

assignment here? Sadhguru See, it need not necessarily be suffering, even if you're enjoying. Still it's psychological drama. See, right now it making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up.

You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up.

You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up. You're making it up everything you're making it up. So when you're making up everything, the simple logic is why don't you make up something pleasant and wonderful?

Yes. But still it's not reality. A pleasant reality is not reality. Yes. A pleasant experience is not reality. You are the director of your drama. Yes. At least the drama should be going where you want.

Absolutely. Absolutely. You, if you are, you are the director of the drama and it's going somewhere else, you're a lousy director. As simple as that. David Schaffer Hmm. What is the easiest way then to shift being a director of drama to a director of a pleasant experience?

Sadhguru That is also drama, I'm saying. David Schaffer Uh-huh. But it's a better drama. Sadhguru See, whether you want a comedy or a tragedy, it's your choice. David Schaffer Yeah, it's a better drama. See, whether you want a comedy or a tragedy, it's your choice. Yeah, it's a better drama. There are people who enjoy tragedies. If they like it, it's fine.

But they want to have pleasantness and they're having unpleasantness, that is not acceptable for me. You must be doing what you want within yourself. Around yourself is not all yours. There's a whole world whose opinion, whose intentions, everything matter. Around us is not all us. Everybody has a stake, isn't it? But within myself, how I keep myself is my business. Nobody can intervene in this. That itself, your dream is not happening the way you want. How will your life happen the way you want?

Yeah. So for all this, the fundamental is, we have not tasted life. We misunderstanding thought and emotion as life process. What is life process then? Are you alive or no? I believe so in this world. You believe so or you are really… Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan I believe I'm alive, yeah.

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan You believe or it's true? Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Depends what you consider as true. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan No, no, no. Let's come to this. Do you believe you have two hands or you have two hands? Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan I have two hands. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yes. But you believe many other things. Why? You are a bull… Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan We all are, I guess, right?

Dr. Jayaprakash Nar right? Don't include me. I'm saying, why don't we become straight enough, sincere enough? What I know, I know. What I do not know, I do not know. Yeah. Isn't it good like that? Yeah, I think so. So, what do you really know? I know I'm a blessed human being. I have a beautiful life.

Who told you this? I did. So, you believe. Yes. No, that's… that means you don't know. I also know there's a lot that I don't know and that's why I constantly ask questions. That is fine. Yeah.

You don't know. What do you know I'm asking? About what? About life, because that's all that is there. What I know is that I'm a grateful human being, that I was born, that I'm here and I want to experience a beautiful life and that's what I know. See, all that will change if I put a nail in your foot, it'll all change. You won't be grateful, you'll be hateful. I don't know. I've had a lot of challenging moments that…

Challenging moments? Challenging moments. Challenging moments. Challenging moments. Challenging moments. Challenging moments. Challenging moments. Challeng grateful, you will be hateful. I don't know. I've had a lot of challenging moments that… Challenging moment, but nobody nail you. A lot of broken bones, a lot of… That you did yourself. Some people did to me. I've had a lot of pain and I've had to learn how to

navigate. No, no, please look at this in a more fundamental way. What I'm saying is, I am a joyful human being, I am a miserable human being, I am a grateful human being. This is all things that you make up in your head. Good, you made up some pleasant things. I'm happy about that. That's good drama. But this drama is playing upon the fundamentals of you being a life, isn't it?

What do you know about that? Because that is the greatest phenomena that's happening in this universe, life. And you're that? What do you know about that? I know that I'm alive. Thank you. Yes, you know that you're alive, fortunately. That's because you're that much conscious.

If you become totally unconscious, you wouldn't even know that. But now the question is, what is the nature of your life? Is this like a philosophical question for my life or for life? No, no, it's a factual question. What is the nature of my life? What is the nature of your existence, I'm asking. I'm not asking... See, you're misunderstanding the life situations as life.

Yes. No, life situations are a consequence of things that we do and do not do, right? Yes. I'm asking, right now you said you gathered this body, you gathered this mind, you gathered these clothes, you gathered this studio, you gathered many other things, people, relationships, family, this, that, everything you gathered. Why? All of this to sustain and make this life good.

When I say life, don't think in terms of so many years. Because you're here and alive, alive, this life. I'm talking about life as you, not life as a situation. The word life is very misunderstood. When you say life, people think you're talking about their home, their car, their dog or their office or their business or their money. No, no, I'm talking about you, these are all accessories. We need accessories to facilitate many things in our lives. What I need, you may not need, what you need, I may not need, but we all make accessories

as it is necessary for our lives. Some people make too many and they'll have to carry it on their head. What do you know about life as such? The life that you are. What do I know about my life? No, no, don't. About life. Life that you are, not the life that you do.

My being? Call it what you want, I'm just calling it life. Yeah, yeah. What do I know about my life? I'm calling about, say I'm just you, let's say you. Me personally. I mean, I thought I tried to tell you that I feel like I'm living a beautiful life. No, that's all your idea.

That's in your head. Okay. I guess I'm not sure what the answer is. I mean, my life is… I feel like I'm living a blessed, beautiful life. I feel like I'm here to fulfill a purpose and I'm trying to… See, these are all things you're making up in your mind, I'm blessed, I'm beautiful, I'm…

Alan- Versus, how should I be making it up or explaining it? Sadhguru- No, no, you can make up whatever you want. I said, I'm glad you're making up pleasant things. See, it's like this. Alan- Yeah. Sadhguru- Suppose you built a castle in the air or let's go with this. Just look at my little finger and try to rebuild it in your mind. It'll take a lot of effort. Only a fine artist can do it, isn't it? Because

he has that level of keen observation of this little finger, small thing in the universe. But if I ask you to build a little finger exactly like this, you will be… No, very, very challenging, you can't do it. Some great artist may have the keenness to see this finger exactly and create it. But now, using your imagination, you built a castle in the air. Every brick in full detail, I look at it and say, fantastic. Luis, fantastic. What a wonderful castle you built.

But after some time, you started thinking it's real. Then we say, you're neurotic. After a while, you started living in that castle. Then we say you're psychotic. Then a third person will come after some time and starts collecting rent for that castle. We call him a psychiatrist. With all due respect for all the doctors who help people who are unwell, that's a different matter.

But essentially, you lose the boundaries of what is memory, what is imagination, what is experience of life. All mixed up. Can you live without your memory? No, without your memory, you don't know a damn thing. Can you live without imagination? No, you can't create anything without your imagination. Are they a problem?

No. But if you do not know what is memory, what is imagination, what is present experience of life, everything is mixed up and it's a mess. So you living well is a chance. When you live by chance, essentially it means you're living accidentally. When you live accidentally, anxiety is normal. Suppose you sit in your car and the steering wheel has become little funny. If you do this, it'll go this way. You're being anxious is normal or no? Yeah. Right now, that's all it is life.

The steering wheel is funny for most people's lives. If they turn this way, it'll go that way. Their mind itself, not even life. Their mind, if they want to think about this, it'll think about that. With this mind, if you're not anxious, you're a miracle. That's true. Do you feel anxiety ever? Look at me and tell me, you tell me.

Doesn't look like it much. There's got to be some moments, right? In the hospital, of doing the surgery, did you feel any anxiety or were you just at peace? I must talk to my doctors. But did you always have that ability to navigate your mind's steering wheel to stay more present in this moment versus having anxiety… anxious thoughts or dramatic thinking, where you were kind of all over the place in your mind? Sadhguru See, human intelligence as a faculty is a fantastic thing only if it takes instructions from you.

Otherwise, it's a terrible thing. That's all human beings… That's why I said if you had the brain of an earthworm, you would be fine. Alan Wilson Be happy. That's why we need inner engineering. Sadhguru Definitely. Alan Wilson But most people don't know how to navigate their mind. Sadhguru See, they don't have to know all that. It's too complex a mechanism. You're not going to…

See, it's like this. Well, you've given up a watch, probably you're on the phone. I had it this morning but I… Okay. Right now it's a simple watch. Yes. But if you open it, there are hundred wheels in it or more, I don't know how many. So if I take out all the wheels and keep it here, can I put it back?

No. It might take time. Even if you have an instruction manual, most of us can't do it. Right, right. I mean, if you get an engineer who's an expert at it over time… That guy can do it, obviously he built it. You can't, yeah, yeah. Yes.

These wheels will spin all over the place and you'll be lost. Of course. Such a simple thing,, right. These wheels will spin all over the place and you will be lost. Of course. Such a simple thing, all right. This is not some rare computer or this is not some super something. This simple watch which has been around for a few hundred years and you can't put it together. You're talking about human mechanism. The most sophisticated and complex mechanism on this planet. Every thing, supercomputer also is a drop out of this.

Yes? Yes. Everything that we have done is a small drop out of this one. So you don't try to understand this, you'll just learn to operate it. You have a phone, you don't know how it works. No idea. You know how to use it, it makes your life. At least that much you must learn. To engineer that is another level of application. We shouldn't even talk about it at this level. Because that's another level of

application. But learning to operate it, we should learn. Yes. Yes. If you don't know that, then even your phone can be a big nuisance. You call your friend and it calls the President of United States. You're in trouble or no? Yeah. But most people don't know how to operate it. Why do you think we haven't been taught how to operate it? That's the whole thing.

There's no attention about anything inward. We are… We think we conquer the world outside, everything will be okay. You can enslave the whole world and you could be still more miserable than a slave. It's happening. The richest people are going around with the longest possible faces. Just look at it and see. I mean, you were asking me about the nature of life.

I'm trying to understand. What would you say is the nature of life for you? See, you know you gathered the body, at least now, intellectually. Yes. Experientially, it may not be so. At least intellectually, you understand this is an accumulation. This is a piece of planet which will go back one day. We wish to complete a full cycle, we don't want to go untimely. Yes.

In India, there are only two kinds of deaths. In the yogic culture, sunritu, akalamritu, this means timely death, untimely death. In the West, people think if they are in pain, it's one kind of death, if they have medical attention, another kind of death, families around, another kind of death, died alone, another kind of death. No, we don't see it like that. We just see timely death and untimely death. Timely means your karmic system,

your information has found its... It has found its full cycle. And now you come to that place and any human being will become ready to die. But when these things are desires and longings are still on, if it comes, you will struggle. So right now you're cultivating a whole society where doesn't matter even if you're eighty-five… It's untimely. Yeah, it's untimely. No, no, I am not killing you yet.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You are eighty-five. If you go and sit on the street, if a young woman is walking, if you say, wow, see how young he is. Fantastic, he's still romantic. No, it's inappropriate. At eighteen, you did that, it's all right. It's part of that stage of life.

But by now, you should have looked beyond these things. But still if you do the same thing, it's appreciated. That means you are neither preparing the world or human beings to get older. They can't get old gracefully. Dying is out of question gracefully. Struggle and helpless way of dying. So only thing is people start telling you stories, don't worry, you will go to heaven, you'll go to heaven.

This happened. Can I tell you a little story? Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Sure. Sadhguru- Shankar and Pillai and his wife were driving after twenty-five years of marriage. They crashed the car. He died. He went to heaven. His wife was injured after three weeks.

She died and she went to heaven. Then she went shanku looking for him and she ran towards him. He said, stop. The vow was only till death do us apart. The deal is over. Death do us apart, now you're still following me. So I'm saying, your idea of heaven is a childish understanding of life. Your idea of heaven is there is a better place than here to live. If you think there is a better place than California to live somewhere else, please go today, why are you waiting? Hello, suppose I go and take the whole place, what will you do? This idea is a crime that people are telling you there is a better place to live. This is creation.

If you believe in God, this is God's creation. If this is not a good place, which other place is better than this? Heaven and hell is a question of your experience. If you sit here blissed out, you think you're in heaven in a black room like this. If you sit here in distress, this feels like hell. Distress and joy comes because either you're sitting here absolutely willingly or unwillingly. If the best things in the world are done to you when you're unwilling, will it become your hell or no? Yes, become hell. It's only if you're doing things willingly, if you're sitting here absolutely willingly,

every breath becomes heavenly. This is all it is. Is life happening willingly or unwillingly? If life has to happen absolutely willingly, there should be no yes, no, yes, no, yes, no. It's yes and yes to life. To life and death, you are yes. Then you live here willingly. The fear of death will never avoid death. It'll only stifle life. Let's say that one more time, the fear of death. See, the fear of death will not ward off death. It will stifle the life process. I don't want to die. I don't want to die. Will you not die? You will not live, that's all.

Yes. You're not riding a motorcycle. The motorcycle. That's interesting. But why do so many people fear death and they live life afraid that they're going to die versus fully living their lives? And I'm not saying you should risk everything and do horrible, dangerous things.

Because you're... No, no, that's not the point at all. The point is not about inviting death. You don't have to invite death. Many aspects of life, you have to strive to make those things happen. To educate, you must strive. Many things to build a family, you have to strive.

To build a nation, you have to strive. To build well-being and wealth for yourself and everybody around you, you have to strive. Everything needs application and planning and works. Death is super efficient. You don't have to do anything. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan It happens. Sadhguru It will come and it will happen perfectly. You can't improve upon it.

Life is such, no matter how you do it, there is a better way to do it. Yes or no? Dr. Jayaprak Yes or no? Yeah. Whichever way you do it, if you are a sincere human being, with a certain sense, you can see however you have done it, you could have done it better. Yeah. But with death, you can't improve on it. It's perfect. When it happens, it's perfect. So, it doesn't need your assistance, nor your it, it's perfect. When it happens, it's perfect. So it doesn't need your assistance nor your welcome nor your invite. It's going to happen. It will anyway come.

See other things you may do or you may not do in life. Death is one thing you will certainly do. So how can you breed a whole civilization without even telling them what is the nature of your existence? The fundamental nature is your mortal. That means you're on a limited amount of time and energy. Time you can't stop, you can't break, you can't rewind. But energies, you can make it more and more exuberant.

If you make your energies truly exuberant, you will learn to ride the cycles of time. If you ride the cycles of time, then your life becomes a dance. Otherwise, the cycles of time will crush you like a mill. Now you see face becomes long. Most human beings, almost everybody who is here, when they were six, seven, eight years of age, their faces were like this. What were they jumping about? No, no, life. Exuberance of life.

Now why have they become like this? Cycles of time has crushed them, the mill. It's a mill. It crushes you if you don't learn how to ride it. Very few are as exuberant as they were as children even today. Others are all becoming grave. Grave means what? Either they're going to it or they came out of it. I don't know which one. Dr. Jay Harness, Ph.D. Was there any lessons for you from the last year, from the surgery years or from this, you know, closeness to death maybe?

Dr. Jay Harness, Ph.D. No, I've always lived like that. Dr. Jay Harness, Ph.D. Yeah. Dr. Jay Harness, Ph.D. I'm always living like that. I know... See, this is like this. You're breathing? Dr. Jay Harness, Ph.D. Yes. Dr. Jay Harness, Ph.D. You're just agreeing with me. Check and… See, this is like this. You're breathing? Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yes. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan You know, you're just agreeing with me. Check and tell me, are you breathing? Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yes. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan You are. How many moments in a day are you aware of this?

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Not many. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan That's what? Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Unless I'm focused on it, yeah. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yes. This is inhalation, exhalation, inhalation, exhalation, inhalation, exhalation, inhalation, exhalation. Next inhalation did not happen. Where is Lewis? No trace of the guy.

Search where you want. You won't find him. You can imagine all kinds of rubbish, but you won't find that guy. Yes or no? See how fragile it is. One exhalation went out, next inhalation did not come back, boof, gone. So you're playing yo-yo with life. In and out, in yoga we say inhalation is life, exhalation is death. If you want to look at it the other way, see when you were in your mother's womb, you were drowning in her fluids.

She didn't let you breathe. Of course, she put a pipe so that you got everything you needed. Dr. Mark Chisholm Yeah, but you want to breathe it, yeah. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan No, oxygen also she gave you. Dr. Mark Chisholm That's true. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayannath, Ph.D. No, oxygen also she gave you. But not breathing, you're drowning. So when you came out, you still don't know how somebody lifted you by the legs and slapped you on your backside.

Dr. Jayaprakash Nairnath, Ph.D. Start crying, yeah. Dr. Jayaprakash Nairnath, Ph.D. No, no. First thing you did was, a gash of inhalation. The first thing you did in your life is inhalation. What do you think is the last thing you'll do in your life? Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Exhalation.

Sadhguru Exhalation. If you exhale, if next inhalation does not happen, everybody says you're dead. Whether you're dead or not, you don't know. But at least the world thinks, the doctor thinks you're dead. Death is not an incident or a one-time happening. It is happening. As we are living, we are dying. One day, it will reach a certain graduation level.

This doesn't mean everything is over. Body becomes inhospitable for life. Whatever soil became food, when it was soil, could you eat it? I guess I wouldn't be… You can eat soil? I mean you could eat, technically it's not going to taste good. Really? Soil?

Dirt? Yeah. It's not going to taste good. You could try and see. No, it's not that… It's not easy but… You can't could try and see. No, it's not that... It's not easy but... You can't eat it, you can't digest it. I mean you can't...

Yeah, it's not nutrients but you can put it in your mouth. You cannot get what you need to build a body. The same soil became a carrot or an apple or something else, a bird or an animal or a fish, something it became, the same soil. Now suddenly it nourished your body. But if you eat a piece of carrot, does it look like you? No. Does it become you?

It becomes a part of you. The nutrients… How did you get this? How many kilograms are you? Two-hundred-thirty pounds. I don't know what that is. Okay. Whatever that is.

Yes. Two-hundred-thirty pounds is about… David Schiffler- Double U, you know. Sadhguru- Hundred kilograms, let's say. David Schiffler- Yeah, yeah. Sadhguru- These hundred kilograms, where did it come from? From your mother? Your parents are very stingy people. They didn't give you a million cells, they gave you one each. One.

How stingy? David Schiffler- Right. Sadhguru- They would have given you a million each. No, only one. David Schiffler- Then they multiplied it. They multiplied it. They multiplied it. They multiplied it.

They multiplied it. They multiplied it. They multiplied it. They multiplied it. They multiplied it. They multiplied it. They multiplied it. They multiplied it. They multiplied it. each, one. How stingy. They would have given you a million each.

No, only one. The rest of it is where? The rest of it is where? From here, the building? 100 kilograms, you got it from the planet. Yes? Yes. It's soil.

So this soil became food and it became you. If you put it back again, it becomes soil. So as far as your body is concerned, you're just a pop-up and you'll pop back. But to gather so much of body and mind, there must be something more fundamental, isn't it? Right now, let's not give it names, we'll call it you. You exist or no? Yes.

You exist. You may not know what is the nature of the existence, but you have no doubt about whether you exist or not. Can you see me? Yes. Are you seeing me or your eyes are seeing me? You're seeing me through the window of your eyes. If you close the window, you don't see me.

If you open the window, you see me. But you are there, isn't it? It's not the instruments of eye which are seeing me. You are looking at me through the visual apparatus. Like a telescope, we are looking, we are looking. Telescope is not looking. Just like that, your eyes are not looking, you are looking. Yes?

Yes. Hundred percent in your experience or no? Yes. Yes. So you are there, whatever damn thing you are, but you are there. Right. So don't assume things, you are there, that's important. You gathered the body, you gathered the mind, you gathered many things, you think it's blessed,

it's cursed, it doesn't matter what the hell you think. You can think whatever you want. You think pleasant things, it's good for you. You think unpleasant things, you'll suffer and you will also make everybody suffer because you'll do and you will also make everybody suffer because you'll do unpleasant things. When you're feeling unpleasant, you'll share it one way or the other, isn't it? So, right now when we say death, as I said, we call the crematorium Kayantasthanam, where the body ends. Body ended, did you end or not? That's a big question.

Dr. Jayaprakash Nairnath The soul, where's the soul going? Dr. Jayaprakash Nairnath Oh, where… The two souls you have, fear these will go. Dr. Jayaprakash Nairnath No, the inner soul. Dr. Jayaprakash Nairnath How do you know there is one? You're given a lot of fiction. Dr. Jayaprakash Nairnath You don't think we have a soul? Dr. Jayaprakash Nairnath I'm not saying anything.

I'm saying do not assume anything because if you assume one thing and the next one and the next one will come, you will become hallucinatory. Death is not a psychological process. It is existentially true, isn't it? So, don't apply your psychological imagination and create a fairytale, I have a soul. Soul means it has to go somewhere, where will it go? If you're religious, of course it'll go to God. If you are a satanic thing, it'll go to devil.

Some nonsense. So what do you believe? Is there a soul and where… Why you're again going back to this, let me settle this for you. Okay. See, the word believe means, I don't know but I myself. Okay. Okay.

So, is there a truth that you do know? The truth is this, I know or I don't know. Okay. This is a fact of life, isn't it? If you know, it is fantastic. If you don't know, there is a possibility. But if you don't know and you believe something, you destroy the possibility. Dr. Jay Harness Well, you could say you know something, but

it may not be true. I mean, how do you know it? Sadhguru That means you don't know. Dr. Jay Harness You could think it's true. Sadhguru See, you can think whatever you want. Dr. Jay Harness Exactly. Sadhguru That's why I'm saying, do not misunderstand psychological reality as existential.

It's not existentially true, whatever… you think I'm blessed, I'm cursed, this is all I am saying do not misunderstand psychological reality as existential. It's not existentially true whatever you think I'm blessed, I'm cursed, this is all your head. You can do what you want in your head. You have been given so much freedom, most people are misusing it to cause harm to themselves and to others. But this is intelligence going wonky. This is inability to manage your own intelligence. It's turning against you. You can call it stress, anxiety, this, that, but essentially

your intelligence has turned against you, isn't it? So, leave that condition. That's a medical condition. I don't want to handle it here. I'm not a doctor. Sure. Then what is true about us after death? See, as life is a process, from the moment of conception, cells multiplied, they gave you only one cell each. It multiplied, become a mass of cells, a ball of cells, maybe like your American football. Yes. Not like a soccer ball. Right, right.

Maybe like this. Then life got infused. Somewhere between forty to forty-eight days, life gets into the cells. What these cells mean is, they're creating a housing and welcoming a life. Life got infused into it. Generally within forty-eight days it happens. In rare cases it'll go beyond that. Max is generally fifty-four days, beyond that it won't go.

But if somebody crosses if in a womb, life has not happened in forty-eight days means most probably this woman is going to deliver in some way an extraordinary human being. Only that kind of being can delay that process. All others will jump into it the moment they get the opportunity. Like in everything in life, the whole lot of people, if the moment they get something, they'll jump into it. They got a job, they've got it. Because it provides for their food and beer and cigarette.

I'm talking American life. I don't drink or smoke, but yeah. Most people… Even the beggar on the street is saying, please five dollars for my beer. In India, if a beggar says that, they'll throw him out of the damn place, you want to drink and you want to ask money from me. But here it's normal, all right? So whatever it is, lot of people just jump at the first opportunity.

Somebody with little wiser, waits, looks at various things. So the same is happening at the fetus level. There are only certain lives which wait and choose. All others jump at the first opportunity where there's a housing which is hospitable to life, life just jumps in. What is this life? See, when we sit here, this is my body, that's your body. Unless sometime in future, hundred years after I'm dead, when they bury you, I'm giving you a hundred years extra, man. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Thank you.

Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan If they bury you in the same place, then you know this body, that body, same soil. But right now, that's your body, this is my body, hundred percent. This is my mind, that's your mind. Here and there we may overlap, but this is my mind, that's your mind. But there is no such thing as your life and my life. What is it? Life is a universal happening.

You captured a little bit, I captured a little bit. It's like we're blowing soap bubbles. The soap bubble happens because of memory. There are eight types of memory. There's elemental memory. Elements come together. sense right now upon this planet, water, air, temperature, earth and ether or we call it akash or space. These five elements have to come together for anything to happen.

This is elemental memories there, how this come together because it comes together in a trillion different ways. So within this life it's come together in a certain way that elemental memory is there. Next thing is the evolutionary memory. You know, modern science is talking about you were an amoeba long time ago and this happened, that happened, whatever. Now you're Louis House. Am I… Dr. Jay Harness House, yeah. Dr. Jay Harness House. Dr. Jay Harness Like how's it going?

Dr. Jay Harness Not like house. Dr. Jay H yeah. House. Like, how's it going? Not like house. Not like house, but how's your day? Okay, house. House. Okay. Now you're Louis House, but not me. Scientists are saying you're an amoeba, some whatever 10 million years ago, a billion years

ago, I don't know what, something. So the memory of all this is there in this. That is why this doesn't get confused. If you eat dog food in the next three months, you will not become a dog. Because the memory is hundred percent, this is a homo sapien. You feed it whatever you want, this will only be a human being, it'll stay human form, suddenly it will not grow horns or a tail or something because of the nature of food that you eat. Because evolutionary memory is intact. Next thing is genetic memory.

Genetic. Genetic memory. You every day liked… what do you like, Indian food, Chinese food, Mexican food? I do love Mexican. You can eat as much as you want, but you will not become Mexican. No. Your features will not change, I'm saying. You eat only Mexican food. Will you become an amigo?

No, you remain a gringo. They call me the puppy gringo. So, because there is genetic memory, it will stay that way. Next comes karmic memory. This is very, very important. This is what gives you a certain flavor and a character to who you are. You may have certain type of genetics, certain type of evolutionary memory but it's karmic memory which shapes you as a, for lack of words I'm saying as a person. Persona happens. Your personality, your energy, your… Yes, your persona happens. In this, the influence of genetic memory, evolutionary memory, everything

is very much there but it has taken a shell. It is like… A shape, a shell. It is like... Yeah, we blew a bubble. Now, if you and me start blowing soap bubbles, your bubble came like this, my bubble came like that. Then I say, see, the big bubble is my bubble. The little one is yours, the big one is mine. But it went poop. The bigger it is, the easier it blows.

Once it goes poop, then I don't see, see that's my air, that's my air, that's my air. This is the same case with life. There is no such thing as your life and my life. There's your body, my body, there's my mind, your mind. But there is no such thing as my life and your life. It's just life. You captured some, I captured some. But the significance of life is in how much life can you take in to the bubble. Is it a big bubble or a small bubble? You have a small bubble, you work as hard as you want. Maybe you'll become a billionaire, but you will not be significant in your own

experience. This is something one has to learn. If you sit here, not because of what you have, not because of what you're doing, simply if you sit here, there is a profound significance to your existence. This must happen. Only then a human being can just close eyes and simply sit. Otherwise for you to become significant, you have to have so many things. Alan Wilson acquire more. Yeah. Sadhguru acquire more or do more something. Alan Wilson Yes.

Sadhguru Restlessness. This restlessness is coming because you're not blown a big enough bubble. Life is small. The wall is thick. Dr. Mark Saltz Before you go on to the next four, I think it is, I'm curious, for those that have, I don't know, ambitions, dreams, goals and they want to be a creator in life and they want to create things that are inspiring to them and their imagination to bring it to life. How can people then bring to life their creations if there's something they want to do in a profound way without losing the inner significance? How can they do it and still be significant? Either way, if you see what I'm saying, not just for significance, safe, but because it's...

If there is no profoundness of experience, there will be no profoundness in activity. How can it be? You can't do anything that you are not. You may do many things which other people will applaud. Too many people are there like that in LA. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yes. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Whole world is applauding them, but they are empty hollow shells of life. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan

It's true. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Too many. Their fame and name and stuff is because of something else which is working. Right now, I'm not saying it's wrong. But if outside life is working well, it's very important that you make sure that your interiority becomes beautiful. Beautiful does not mean I'm blessed, I love you, I'm full of love, I'm full of joy. That's not the point. Life has become significant because it is the most significant thing that's happening in the universe, isn't it? Life. Life?

Yes. And you captured little. If you capture little more, suddenly your experience of life will be very significant and profound. Once it's profound, you don't worry what to create, what not to create, anything that you touch will work. But what works, what doesn't work, how big it becomes, how big it doesn't become, is not all ours. It is the times in which we exist. See, many great beings have come. Like a Jesus came a two thousand years ago. How many people could he speak to? Twelve people. And one idiot freaked on him anyway. Gautam Buddha came. A two dozen people or maybe a hundred to hundred people he spoke. A Krishna came,

a glorious human being, by any standards. only one person he could speak and that fellow is full of doubt. Today, you and me can sit here and talk to the entire world. Last year, and this is not to brag about ourselves, just to say what kind of times we're living in. In 2024, our video reaches 5.23 billion B. Dr. Jayaprakash Nairnath Amazing. Dr. Jayaprakash Nairnath Just imagine if Buddha had this, Krishna had

this, Jesus had this. Dr. Jayaprakash Nairnath Boom. Dr. Jayaprakash Nairnath So I'm saying, we are at such times where even an ant can do what an elephant cannot do. That's the kind of times we are in. This is the first time we can sit here and address the whole humanity, which never ever was possible in the history of humanity. When we are at such time, if we do not transform individual human beings and human societies, it's a crime.

What is missing is there's no love in our hearts, that's all. If that one thing is there, this capability that technology and other things has given us, we would use it, but people are using technology to kill each other. Oh, many ways, I can laser burn up your brains from ten kilometers distance. People are proud of this. No, across the world you can transform human beings. This is very important because we have turned miracles into disasters. Since we're turning disasters into miracles, we have turned miracles into disasters. Instead of turning disasters into miracles, we have turned miracles into disasters. For example, human mind, human intelligence, isn't this the greatest miracle?

What a disaster it's become for most human beings. That is the source of their suffering, isn't it? I must tell you this, two… about maybe three, four years ago, a young woman of thirty-three or thirty-four years of age, I think, in a city called Hyderabad in southern India, she was a television anchor, reasonably popular television anchor. One day she jumped off her fifth floor apartment and killed herself. She left a note, no one is responsible for my death, my brain is my enemy. It took millions of years of research and development to get this brain to this level

of competence. You can just dismiss it off with one word evolution, but actually it's tremendous amount of research and development through natural process that our brains got to this level of cerebral capability. Now, your brain is your enemy, it takes your life out. In 2023, 108,000 people in United States of America committed suicide. How many million people are trying to crawl through the wall and come to United States thinking this is heaven, but here people are killing themselves. I'm just saying the irony of the whole thing.

Many people think if they come to United States, their life is made. But people who are living here want to kill themselves. What do you think it is? The miracle of mind has turned into a disaster. That's why this year I released this Miracle of Mind app. This is to address the mental illness pandemic. The idea is with the seven-minute simple meditation, you can transform your life. We want to make sure at least three billion people start doing this. The idea behind this is this, meditation means it should not be in the hands of a guru

or an institution or an administration or something else. See, in the year 1866, some survey says over fifty percent of the American people, over forty-five years of age had no teeth left. Had no teeth left? Yes. In America? Yes.

What do you think the Wild West they were brushing their teeth? Oh yeah, yeah. They were shooting at each other. Yeah, yeah. Most of them died before they were fifty so you'll find out. Teeth are gone, yeah. Yes. Over forty-five years of age most of them didn't have teeth, fifty percent. Today

everybody has teeth. What do you think, it's because of the dentist? No, because our mothers told us, you bloody brush your teeth. You don't brush, no breakfast today. Something they did their own trick and we all started doing this. Today we all have teeth. Similarly, for mental health, to make this mind into a miracle which it is already, we need something. We want to see three billion families on the planet in the next twenty-four months. This becomes part of that. After that, they should not need any guru institution. Every family should be transmitting this within their own families. Their children should learn as a part of growing up to meditate at least for seven minutes

a day. Yes, I believe that. Simple thing, which is not religious, which is… from a particular culture, nothing. A simple thing that you do with yourself internally, because if you understand the miracle that your mind is, then you will see everything the way it is. You don't have to believe anything. You have the needed intelligence and sharpness to see things the way they are. Only thing is you have a wonky mirror. It's showing you all distorted images. Yes. And I've only got about ten minutes left with you Sadhguru, but it sounds like you could have…

you kind of alluded to this and you know, it sounds like you could have all the money in the world or accumulate all the things in the world but still not learn how to love yourself. Why should you love yourself? See, love... Why not? Why not? No, love means there are two trying to become one, that is love. Now I'm asking you, in this body there are two people or one person? One person.

Yes. Because if there are more than one, either you are schizophrenic or you're possessed. Yeah, multiple... Yeah, yeah either you are schizophrenic or you're possessed. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yeah, multiple… Yeah, yeah. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan You're schizophrenic or possessed. You need either a psychiatrist or an exorcist. Don't go there. There's only one. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Yes. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan So, how does one love oneself? What is that? Why are you playing these tricks? Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan

I mean, I'm not trying to play tricks. I'm just trying to understand that a lot of people commit suicide and you know, a hundred thousand people… Sadhguru That's… that's not because of love or lack of love. That's because they're not able to handle their own intelligence. David Schiff To manage their mind. Sadhguru They don't know how to manage it. If… as I said, if they had the brain of an earthworm, they would be fine, peaceful. They're not able to handle their own intelligence

because the social system, the educational system and everything else doesn't tell you a thing about how to manage this. It's all about how to conquer the world, how to keep this well. See, every creature on the planet at least knows what to eat, what not to eat. The modern societies don't know what to eat, what not to eat. Every six months, somebody is coming up with a new recipe, which is the best thing to do. And in six months, it will be gone. They made their money, they are gone, diet is gone. Another diet comes happening. In LA, I don't think it'll wait six months, every three months probably. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan Every three days.

Exactly. Sadhguru When you don't know what to eat, what does it mean? See you throw something to any animal, he knows whether to eat or not to eat. You have a much bigger brain and a much more sophisticated neurological system. How come you don't know? Obviously you don't know, you've been given a instrument that you don't know how to handle.

Time you learn. Every family should have this as they teach their children how to brush their teeth and use the potty, they must learn how to meditate. Dr. Jayaprakash Nairnath You mentioned these eight types of memory. I think I got the first four, elemental memory, evolution, genetic and karmic, correct? Sadhguru Yes. Next comes, you know, unconscious layers of memory. Dr. Jayaprakash Nairnath Uh-huh. layers of memory. Subconscious or articulate… in the subconscious is articulate and inarticulate memory. There are memories which play. There are memories which don't play on a daily basis,

but once in a way they kick in. And there is conscious memory which has many fragments, you can make it into many divisions for understanding. But it is a composite of all these memories that right now you call as myself. But that's not you. That is an accumulated past. Memory is a thing because without that there's no enrichment of life. There's no richness to your life if there was no memory. If I take out your memory card, Luis? Luis Chavez-Morales Yeah. Sadhguru You don't know your name, come on, don't say that.

You don't know your name. Luis Chavez-Morales Yeah. Sadhguru You don't know who your parents are. You don't know what is what, all right? So memory is what is giving you a certain color to life. You must stabilize that. It must be a stage upon which you stand and do your dance. But if it becomes fluid, it becomes your quicksand.

Or if you focus on the negative memories and you build that up… See, there is no negative, positive memories. Or if you interpret it as an experience that was painful. How can yesterday, how can yesterday which doesn't exist be painful or pleasurable? Well, if you don't know how to operate your mind. That's the whole thing. And you're... No, no, that's the whole thing.

So, you don't know how to drive your car. Yes. Then you don't think how to avoid hitting a bus, how to avoid hitting a lamppost, how to avoid hitting... No bloody learn to drive. Once you learn to drive, you're not thinking how to not hit a lamppost, all right? John Huston But we haven't learned how to do that yet. Most people haven't learned how to do that.

Sadhguru Maybe not... Anything that we don't apply to doesn't exist for us, isn't it? Simple thing. Right now you're speaking a language. If nobody thought your language, you'll be very, very, very… something so simple. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayanan That's how I sound in Spanish, you know? Sadhguru That's good.

At least you can't say anything wrong to your wife. Dr. Jayaprakash Nar wife. I know, I know. Oh, man. I've only got a few minutes with you, Sadh, you're left because I know you got to run. But I want people to check out two things, the Miracle of Mind app, which I haven't checked out yet, so I'm going to download it. You must check it out, not just check it out. Do it.

Do it for fifteen days, then tell me what's happening with you. I'm assuming it's App Store, Android Store, it's everywhere. Yes, it's a free app you can download. It's called Miracle of Mind? Yes. App? Okay, cool. So, it's a seven, fifteen minutes a day? Seven minutes a day is minimum. If you want to extend it, you can extend it. Okay, perfect. And in this, it's going to just help people…

It's an intelligent app, more features will be coming, there will be something that will come, which is called as Life Hopscotch. Life hopscotch? Yes. What is that? Every day in the night before you go to bed, you play hopscotch for about thirty seconds. In the app? In the app. It will tell you what is your mental status today.

Amen. It's like keeping an account of where you're going. Are you getting better or worse with your life? I love that. That's great. That's amazing. So, it's out now, right? It's out people can… It's out. Okay, perfect. So, I want people to get that. So, specifically if you feel like you've stressed or overwhelmed, you don't…

I've also read this audio book in my voice. I'm going to listen to it. So, if you can't read, you can listen. This is the new book which we covered a little bit about, it's called Death, Only for Those Who Shall Die. Yes, it's only for them. Are you going to die? Well, I don't know.

I am dying kind, I don't know about you. You're dying kind? Death, A Yogi's Guide to Living, Dying and Beyond by Sadhguru. Make sure you guys get a copy of this. Again, there's so many different things in here that I was going through just before we started about really understanding the process of death. How do we grieve? How do we navigate all these things, especially in our culture, in the Western culture, which has been taught, like you said, as kind of a scary thing or not to talk about. And I just think it's more important that we become

aware of our death so that we can hopefully live a better life now in this moment. You can live your life well only if you're aware that you are mortal, that is your dying kind, that is you have a limited amount of time and energy. If you think you're forever, you will live a stupid and arrogant life. Human means there's a natural humility in the being because you're capable of being conscious. One most important to be conscious is the mortal nature of your existence. If you're conscious of this, you have no time to do unnecessary things.

See, if you know you have a limited amount of time, you will do what you genuinely care for. Otherwise, you'll do so much nonsense. Yes. What do you think are the three biggest waste of time that human beings do today? I wouldn't like to say anything is a waste of time. Nothing. If they do it joyfully, if it enhances their life, they can do whatever.

Okay. But if you're not… if you're doing something not joyfully, then it may be a waste of time. If you're miserable, you're a waste of life, not just time. That's true. That's true. You gotta to start meditating. Start meditating. Sadhguru, final question for you. I've asked you this before, so I'm curious to go back and see your responses, but I'm curious what is… what's your definition of greatness? Sadhguru, there was a time when our program brochure used to say this, from ordinary to extraordinary. So, second, third day people asked,

Sadhguru, you said something special will happen to me, what? I said, I never said anything special will happen. But this brochure said like this, I said, ordinary to extraordinary. That means you'll become more ordinary than others. If you have no need to be special, you are extraordinary. Other will… other people will think you're extraordinary and they'll attach greatness to it. If I think I'm great, I'm a bloody idiot. If people think I'm great, it's their magnanimity. It's good for them. Dr. John Gerstle Yeah. That's good.

There you go. Sai Guru, thank you for being here. Appreciate you. Dr. Jayaprakash Narayan What did I say last time? I don't know. Dr. John Gerstle I'm gonna have to look it up. I'm gonna look it up and I'll add it to the end of this. But thank you so much for being here, for sharing wisdom as always.

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