The School of Greatness - The SECRET to Finding Your Purpose EP 1451

Episode Date: June 9, 2023

The Summit of Greatness is back! Buy your tickets today – summitofgreatness.comBozoma Saint John shares her personal journey of navigating and growing from the loss of her husband, providing powerful insights into loving someone with terminal cancer. You can expect to gain valuable insights on prioritizing their lives and finding satisfaction in everyday experiences.Jay Shetty highlights the significance of aligning our actions with our values and using our talents to make a positive impact on the world. He explores the idea that purpose is not necessarily found outside of ourselves, but rather within us, waiting to be discovered and cultivated.Lisa Bilyeu delves into the significance of embracing failure and learning from setbacks as integral parts of the purpose-seeking journey. With her authentic storytelling and practical advice, Lisa Bilyeu inspires and empowers listeners to embark on a purpose-driven path, living a life of fulfillment and impact.Emmanuel Acho emphasizes the importance of stepping outside the boxes that society has built around us and constantly evolving into the best version of ourselves. Ultimately, greatness is defined as becoming our best selves and continually striving for personal growth and self-improvement.In this episode you will learn,How to prioritize your life.Why you should seek satisfaction in your everyday life.Why so many of us don’t feel worthy of love, and how to change that limiting mindset.How to increase your inner confidence.How to confront and overcome failure.For more information go to www.lewishowes.com/1451Bozoma’s full episode: https://link.chtbl.com/1397-guestJay’s full episode: https://link.chtbl.com/1417-guestLisa’s full episode: https://link.chtbl.com/1265-guestEmmanuel’s full episode: https://link.chtbl.com/1265-guest

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My name is Lewis Howes, a former pro athlete turned lifestyle entrepreneur. And each week we bring you an inspiring person or message to help you discover how to unlock your inner greatness. Thanks for spending some time with me today. Now let the class begin. Welcome to this special masterclass. We brought some of the top experts in the world to help you unlock the power of your life through this specific theme today.

It's going to be powerful. So let's go ahead and dive in. What are your thoughts on the idea of never be satisfied? You know what? I understand why somebody would say that. You know, like you should always be hungry. Like you should always be chasing. That's a good motivator, you know, to get the next thing so that you wake up and you want to go get it

But that's a terrible way to live So complete I vehemently disagree with the concept that you should never be satisfied You know, it's like you should you should be satisfied. You should be satisfied. You should wake up feeling satisfied with your life It doesn't mean that you don't want the next thing of course you want the next thing but like if if life were to end today would you want to have lived an unsatisfied life would you want like like I think I really do think of Peter at that at those last days you know and think about all the things that he was unsatisfied about I don't want that for myself I don't want that for

you I don't think any of us should live that way so be satisfied you know and that doesn't mean lesser than be satisfied even if you're just starting out as an assistant getting happy if you're the CEO if you're just starting out as an assistant, getting coffee, if you're the CEO, if you're anywhere in between, if you're in an off season. Yes, be satisfied. Be satisfied with how wonderful you have it. Even the least of us, even the people who are like, in this terrible place, like I said, we can be satisfied. The day after Peter died, actually, no.

It was a few days later because we were having his funeral. He died on December 11, 2013. It was four days before his 44th birthday. And so on his 44th birthday, December 15, we had his funeral and made it a party. And I was sitting there and, you know, kind of in a haze. But then also, you know, that moment of clarity where I'm looking around the room

and like his fraternity brothers are drinking beers and they're sharing stories about him. And, you know, my daughter's like sleeping on my mom's lap. And I've got my sisters like in the corner, trying to busy themselves, you know, like getting out plates of food and whatnot and see people connecting. And it was the oddest thought, you know,

I looked around and I was just like, wow, like, this is a good group of people. You know, this is a great place to be, to have this. And so I was satisfied in that moment. The most terrible thing had happened in my life. But I was looking around and feeling very satisfied with who I had around me. And that, I think, is what I would like for all of us to consider.

That even when things are bad and going wrong, you can still be satisfied. You can still feel like, this is it. And it is okay. Yeah? It's okay. I'm a big fan of the title of the book,

The Urgent Life. And when I saw this, I was just thinking to myself, yes, right away, because we have similar, completely different experiences but similar feelings probably from experiences we've had so my father got in an accident he had a traumatic brain injury and was in a coma

for three months when I was 21 and I remember he we didn't know if he was gonna live or die but he eventually woke up after three months. And he was a completely different person. Like he was physically alive, but emotionally and mentally kind of gone. Took him a while to like learn how to talk again. He wasn't able to work anymore. He had amnesia.

So when I'd see him, he'd be like, what's your name again? It was just a different type of relationship, right? I had to learn to love my father for who he was and start to grieve the man that he once was before, right? And I remember thinking he was in his early 50s when this happened. He had worked so hard for 30 years

as a life insurance salesman, where he finally was starting to make money where he could like travel and have some freedom in his life. And he was starting to feel like he was happy for the first time, fully happy. And then this accident happened. And I remember being really angry at life

that my dad didn't get to go live the rest of his life the way he wanted to. And I felt like I had so much urgency to go pursue everything I wanted. Like from that moment on. I was like, I'm not gonna let any fear or insecurity hold me back. It might still be there,

but I'm at least gonna take the actions on my goals, my dreams, and live urgently. Because what if this happens to me? What if I get in a car accident tomorrow? And something like that happens to me, I'd be sad that I didn't at least go try. And this, again, completely different experience you had, but it created a feeling of urgency in your life

with your ex-husband, right? With your husband. And which was almost 10 years ago. Is that right? Yeah, 10 years in this December. And can you explain the story about what had happened with your husband around wanting to get divorced and then cancer situation and how being in a very dark, sad, challenging time, sad time, wanted you to create urgency at the same time and live into your best self during sadness. Can you explain a little bit about that? Well, first of all, I really appreciate what you just said and shared

about your dad, you know, because I feel that for all of us who are living this life on this like hurtling rock that we call home, we don't always have to have had the same experience to understand essentially the concept of what I'm talking about, you know, this need for urgency. And it's not necessarily about the rush through life. It's about the intention, you know, knowing, like you said, like, you know, I want to do these things because what if, so then you're intentional about saying, okay, I want to live a big life or I want to go do this thing that're intentional about saying, okay, I wanna live a big life or I wanna go do this thing that I'm dreaming of or I wanna push a little harder because like, what if?

Right? And the same thing for me in that like, I don't think of the end of life in this morbid way where I'm just like, oh, today might be my last day. I don't think of it in a morbid way. It's very inspiring to me actually. It makes me wanna get up and go do the thing. You know? And again, it's not about a rush. It's like, I wanna actually. It makes me wanna get up and go do the thing.

You know, and again, it's not about a rush. It's like, I wanna make the best use of my time that I have. I don't know how long it is, but I wanna make the best use of it. And I'm also conscious of the fact that I won't do everything. And so that means that I have to be very intentional about the things I choose to do.

You know? Because if you walk around thinking like, oh, I have the time, I'll just do everything at some point, oof, then maybe you don't get to do anything at all. So I'm intentional in knowing that like, oh, okay, I might not get a chance to complete everything, so what's the most important thing? And then I wanna do those things.

And so at the time in December of 2013, when Peter passed away, we were there, you know, where, you know, your stories are true. You're sitting at the death bed and you're talking about all the things you wish you'd done. Mm. Is that what he was saying? Oh yeah. We talked about so much. Oh man.

The things he wanted to do, his hopes and dreams, what he wants for Lael, our daughter, like what he wanted for her in the future. You know, all of those things. And I was sitting there listening and thinking and crying and making promises and all of the things and knowing that I need to change the way I live. You know, he wouldn't have a chance to do it over. So I need to do it, you know? And it was such a dark time also because we were already going through so much on top of being at death's door. You know, that like our marriage had fallen apart.

We had been separated for a couple of years already through so much gosh additional traumas that happened to us misunderstandings anger you know that we couldn't overcome with just love yeah you think that's like patients everything yeah oh man you think love conquers everything and no it's not. Love is not enough. Love is not enough. You know, love is not enough. And it was all of that turmoil that led us to that moment where I am sitting holding his hand at his breath gets shallower and shallower, you know, and thinking about all the things I would have done differently if I had a shot to do it again. thinking about all the things I would have done differently if I had a shot to do it again. It's not necessarily that like, oh, I wish life had turned out differently. It's just that I wish I had been motivated differently.

What were you motivated by before then? Oh man. I think at that time I was motivated by just my own need for my own life. You know, not really focus on anybody else's. And that sounds very selfish, but that's where I was. You know, it was not, I was a mother and a wife. I was so only focused on myself.

Really? Yeah. At that time? Yeah. At that time? Yeah. I mean, it's like, you know, there was so much that had happened on my path to motherhood. And it's another one of the things that like, you know,

now I talk about so openly because we also paint motherhood like it's supposed to be like this great, amazing thing that like, oh, you get pregnant and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, all this love shows up from nowhere. And you're just like encapsulated by this person. It's like, no, that actually doesn't happen all of the time. Moments of that might happen. Moments of that might happen.

But the majority of the time it's probably like cleaning, diapers and feeding and pumping and all the things that moms have to do. And sitting there and being like, oh hell, I made a mistake. This is not what I wanted in my life. You know? And struggling with that.

And there were so many times where I thought about that. It was like, wow, like, you know, is this life what I actually wanted? And so then at that moment in December of 2013, I was like, oh, no, I have to make the life that I want. I have to make it. I have to be an active participant. What was the biggest lesson during that time you feel like you learned about his regrets? About him not doing the things that he wanted to do? What opened up for you during that time that shifted, if anything did shift for you in that?

This might sound funny, but I think logic is what surprised me most. The logic of things. What do you mean? The writing down. It's almost like the writing down of the plan. You know, things that make sense. Because you're like, oh, I'm going to do these things. I'm logically going to take these steps in order to get to that thing.

And all of his regrets, everything that he wanted to do that he didn't get a chance to do was based on the logic of the steps to get to that thing that he never got to. Like just scheduling it in the calendar or like booking the trip. Yeah, yeah, yeah, making the to-do list and then yeah. And then it's like, oh, I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that. All based on logic. Life is not made of logic. Life is magic.

It's the accidental encounters. It's the things that you can't explain. The feeling that you get in your belly that makes you feel alive and glittery, or it makes you super sad, or you don't want to get out of bed and the sky just looks gray. And then maybe one thing happens, you're like, oh, okay, I can do it. You know, that's life. And being open to that is actually what gives you the experiences. So therefore, when perhaps you don't accomplish everything that was on your plan, you still feel really happy about the things that you did do,

because it was also magical. And I'm not talking about these big firework things. I'm talking about the little stuff too. The new person that you meet on the way to somewhere, or the meal that you had that you didn't think was going to be delicious that you just really savored. It was just magically amazing, you know, and just being appreciative of those moments. So again, it's like the life is not just about like the big, big, big stuff.

It's not the headlines. You know, so to me, it's like logic is what I then threw out the window. Interesting. I'm not going to live a logical life. I'm going to live a magical life, the kind that is open to all of the things I can't explain. The writing down of the list and the making the steps. I'm not saying that you walk around just like, oh, da-di-da-di-da, whatever happens today is what happens. You know, like, look, we all got to be responsible adults. Okay. But the truth of the matter is that like, how many of our plans have been stopped because of logic? The things that you said, like, ah, well, shoot, I can't do that because of this reason, that reason, and that

reason. And sometimes it's other people's logic that actually stops you from doing the things you want to do. And so I want to stop that. I've been active in being like, every time I approach a new ambition or a new idea or like, oh, I want to take a trip here, and that logic starts to come in, I'm like, girl, where's that magic? You better just step out and let the magic find you. Ooh, yeah. And not stop yourself because the math is mathing.

Right. It doesn't make sense logically right it doesn't make sense no it doesn't make sense logically allow wonder and synchronicity your life to happen lose I can't tell you how many things have happened in my life that don't make sense right the fact that I've had the career I've had doesn't make sense this is not it's not logical there's no stat even when you look at things like oh you know how many black women CMOs have had jobs for Fortune 50 companies? There's no math. There's no data point because it doesn't exist. But I exist. So can you explain that? No, you cannot. So opening yourself up to like these things is what actually creates

Your destiny to like run the way that it should you know I'll give you one one example When Peter died in December 2013, I was at PepsiCo. I've been there for 10 years Wow It was a great job You know I'd done in many iterations of things and at time, I was the head of music and entertainment marketing. And so I had been part of the team that did the deal with the NFL for the Super Bowl halftime show. I put Beyonce on that stage. It was huge. I had a great, exciting career.

And then Peter died. And I looked around, and I was like, man, I think I want to do more things. And I was like, man, like, you know, I think I want to do more things. You know, am I going to sit here for another 10 years in New York City like doing this or have I had enough of this? And as I formulated that thought, I went to I think it was NBA All-Star or something like that. And I met somebody that I knew very lightly who told me that Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Dre had started their company, Beats Music, off of the back of Beats by Dre and that they were looking for a head of marketing, would I be interested? And the job was in LA. My husband had been dead maybe two months. I had a four-year-old child that I was trying

to figure out how to raise by myself. You know, like all these things. And so logic would tell you that no, sit your down. You know what I mean? Like, situate your life. Figure out how to be a widow and a single mom and the main breadwinner. Like, figure that stuff out. Calm down, get some therapy. You know, just like sit and be quiet for a second.

Grieve. Let a year go by and then figure out what you want to do. But instead, I was like, it really doesn't make any sense for me to leave Pepsi, a long established company, and go to Beats Music where it's barely a company. Some new thing, yeah. I didn't even know what music streaming was.

I had no idea what the hell that was. I had no idea. But I came and came to LA and took a meeting with Jimmy and he was talking about stuff that I had no idea about. And when I resigned from PepsiCo to take the job, everybody told me it was a bad idea. Who was gonna tell you there was not one person who supported it? Not even my mother.

No one. Everybody thought I'd lost my mind. People thought I was acting out of grief. Maybe I was. But the magic was that that opportunity opened up the next 10 years of my life. It was the magic, the spark that I needed. Where do you see yourself growing to the next level? I think that when I started this journey in my life of trying to make wisdom go viral and to share ideas and help people train their mind for peace and purpose every day, there was a certain speed and pace

that allowed me to figure out what I needed to do every 12 months. And now I feel like I'm moving away from thinking about the next 12 months to thinking about the next 12 years, and thinking about the next 20 years, and thinking about the next 30 years. And so I feel like I'm at an evolution and growth in my own life,

where a change of pace will be what I'm looking for. Because I found that up until now, I felt like I had to do lots of little things all the time to be able to establish what I'm doing today. And now I realize it's actually gonna take fewer, bigger things that you can only get to if you've done this step before, but now I realize that that's what it's gonna take and so.

And what about the, you you're you've been teaching you've been studying this for the last few years and teaching deeper insights on love practicing it writing about it speaking about it on stage in podcast things like that where do you see yourself growing in love with friends family your marriage and with yourself yeah moving forward after this work yeah so what I found was as I was doing this work I realized that often the blocks to love are not because you don't have the deep intention to love people but it's that you are putting yourself under so much stress and pressure that you're too agitated and irritated to be present and actually share love so i saw this study that

talked about how you think you don't wake up early the next morning even though you wanted to because you're bad at waking up early but the truth is it's because you're actually experiencing stress and when you're experiencing stress You can't implement a new habit and so reducing stress allows you to be the person you want to be if you think about when you When you say something you don't want to say It's because you're irritated Reactive. Yeah, when you do something you don't want to do it's because you're stressed when you

React to someone in a way that you don't think is yourself. It's because you're stressed when you react to someone in a way that you don't think is yourself it's because you're agitated so we act in unloving ways because we are putting ourselves under stress irritation agitation or pressure and so for me what i've realized that if i want to be my best loving self and be present with each and every person and be conscious of that energy, I have to learn to not put myself under so much stress that I can't be present. So that's been a big lesson of love that you can't love while you're putting yourself

under stress or pressure in any way. And it goes back to your kind of theme about peace and purpose every day. I don't think you can fully give your authentic heart without being peace. Yes. Without being in a state of peace. And I understand life happens and stresses happen, but creating a baseline, going back to peace so you can be present. Yeah. When we're not in peace, when we're stressed, you're in scarcity mode. You're in fight or flight. You're not present with your friends or family, your loved ones, or just acquaintances. You're reactive. People don't feel loved when

you're not present. You're not looking them in the eyes or just listening to them and being in a good state of being around them. Yeah. The other one that came to mind when you said that as you're speaking is Russell Barkley said that the people who need the most love ask for it in the most unloving ways. And the commitment I've made to myself is I no longer want to ask for love in unloving ways. I no longer want to be snappy to feel loved. I no longer want to be demanding to experience love. I no longer want to make someone else feel a passive aggressive comment to feel love. I want to communicate about the type of love I need

in an open and honest way, rather than trying to hope that someone else is gonna figure it out because I'm sending subliminal messages or I'm being distant or I'm avoiding them. And so that was something deeply that I learned was that we just constantly keep asking, even the people that love us the most,

we keep requesting and demanding love in the most unloving ways. And if we can free ourselves of that, you can actually make a relationship really special and beautiful. And so we have to let go of that. People who've come on, who have done great things and done it over a short period of time or gotten notoriety or gotten well-known or different things or had a big exit when they didn't have money.

Essentially five years ago, you weren't on the map. You didn't have a big audience. You didn't have a lot of money. You didn't have the New York Times bestsellers. You didn't have all these things. I'm curious, before all that started, on a scale of one to 10, the peace and self-love scale, let's call it, 10 being you had total peace and love for yourself and love for the people around you and you were present all the time One day you hated yourself Where were you before? We met and then where are you today after success? Yeah, that's a great question I'd have to say that I was probably at a

seven or eight before, to be honest, because even though my work's been noticed publicly in the last five years or six years, there was a whole 10 to 11 years before that where I literally did this for whoever showed up. Five people. Literally. So like when I was 18 and of course in my first book I tell the story of how I met monks, I would have, I had a society at university called Think Out Loud. And what it was was a community where I would put out flyers and posters myself, and whoever wanted to come from my university would attend.

And it was called Think Out Loud. I would dissect a movie based on philosophy, psychology, and spirituality. So I would take a movie like Inception, and I would break it down. I'd take a movie like Notebook and break it down. I'd take a movie like The Butterfly Effect, Good Will Hunting. I'd take a movie like Notebook and break it down. I'd take a movie like The Butterfly Effect, Good Will Hunting, like I'd take these incredible movies and I'd do these sessions. They'd be absolutely free.

And I did it for the first year and five to 10 people came. Second year, maybe 25 people came. Third year, there were sometimes 100 people who were in the room and I was just doing it because I loved it. Then I became a monk. When I came back, I did the same thing

in the corporate world. I had a event in London called Conscious Living. It was on a Friday night. Literally five to 10 people would show up once a month, but it would make me so happy to spend hours with them afterwards. I would literally do a session. I'd serve everyone food,

because we'd always sit down to break bread. And then we'd sit down for two, three hours, and I would just answer people's questions and sit with them. And I didn't have any followers. I didn't have any platforms. I didn't have any audience, but I loved it. And so I was already living the dream in my opinion

because I was getting to do what I love on top of having a day job. And to me, that felt realistic. When I look at my happiness enjoyed now. Scale of one to 10 and like the, yeah. I'd say to be honest, there's days when it's a nine and there's days when it's a five. Really? Yeah. It oscillates and it's because. Why is that? Well, I think it's because I've taken on so much more now to think about, to be in charge of, to lead.

You have other people that you're responsible for. You have teams of all of these people that rely on you to do what you do best and take care of them and connect. And they're trying to help you out and build with you. And so the responsibility scale level is so much higher now. And so it's not that I don't feel peaceful in my purpose, but it's that you do deal with daily stress, daily challenges, daily pressure, in a way that I didn't before because it was just about me.

It's just so fascinating because pretty much everyone I ask says something similar. No way. Where this, like, they were peaceful, they loved themselves, they had more confidence before. It's not saying, you know, more confidence, but on the scale of like inner peace and self-love and fulfillment,

it was like almost less on every scale because of the weight, the pressure, the, man, just so much more going on and needing to navigate a lot more going on in life as opposed to more of a simple, peaceful life. Well, one thing I've understood though, with that point is that the reason why that translates is that discomfort is where you grow.

That's it. And that's what I realized. You can't stay comfortable. You can't. And so I find that a lot of my life today, I often say to people, I think 75% of my working week is in my discomfort zone. And so I really crave comfort in my relationships i crave comfort

on my weekends relax exactly yeah great relationships with you of course and and we have a good group of friends and i have good relation with my wife and like so i rely on my personal relationships to have some comfort and some stability as i take on discomfort in my service and purpose and so i think that makes sense and so I think you also just get better at understanding what growth looks like and what you need. I think if I just sat and lived that life forever, I don't think it would have stabilized. I don't think I would have stayed at a seven or an eight.

That would have probably come down as well, but for different reasons. And so the reason that now it comes down are actually positive, healthy reasons, or can be managed in a healthy way. Yes. If you have something inside of you, an idea inside of you, a seed, and bringing it to life as into a business can be the same thing as bringing a child into life.

It's an idea, a seed, a thought that you want to create. So it's a creation either way. Yeah. Yes. And look, I'm all for biology. I think that's very powerful. But there are those moments, right, those intuitions. Like when you have a baby, there's like a woman's intuition. Like we're giving so many things in order to be able to protect the baby. And yet with business, like I have learned

to start to listen to my intuition just the same. It's like I think intuition has to be trained. I don't think it's just like, oh, you've got intuition. It's fine. You're amazing. You know everything. It's like, no, no. We learn intuition as we get older.

That look, that one time, that one person gave me a look ended bad. Your body remembers. Yeah, of course. What would you say is the biggest insecurity or fear you still are faced with today? Really starting anything new. That's never even writing this book. It's like, I don't know how to write a book. And even getting interviewed, right?

It's like, I don't know how to be interviewed about a book. So it's not so much insecurity now in the sense of I don't feel petrified, but like I know I'm not equipped. And so is that an insecurity? Sure, but it's a valid insecurity because I've never done a book before so anytime I fear that like what that fear of like oh you're about to enter a space that you don't know I just reassure myself is like oh it's day one it's day one give yourself the grace to know anything you try is day one we do it a college where I beat you to do practice like the first time you picked up a football you weren't

thinking that you were gonna be the best quarterback in the world right right it's like oh I've got to learn how to freaking throw the ball huh so that's what I do just day one anytime I feel the fear over anything you Lewis anything I have these mantras I have these tactics I have these tools everything I put in the book it's's like, okay Lisa, you've got radical confidence, and radical confidence means that even with the fear, you're gonna move forward, but you need to practice. You have to go in with a mindset that you're going to learn

and have a game plan. And then when you fall on your face, get back up. Like that is my superpower. I wish I could be amazing at things, but I'm not. So I remind myself my superpower is I'm the person that gets back up, and that's encouraging. That's beautiful. And what about around money?

How has your mindset shifted? Do you feel like you have created more confidence or more self-love or more belief in yourself as the money started to come for both you and Tom in your life where you really didn't have a lot beforehand. You had some, you're working or he was working, but it wasn't like the amount of wealth that you guys created with Quest and Impact Theory

and everything you guys have built together. How did the accumulation of wealth change your beliefs about yourself? Ooh, that's such a good question. That's such a good question, Lewis. Okay. You went from an apartment, I'm assuming, to a house, to a bigger house,

to numbering your bank account going way up, to being able to buy things now, lots of great things. Yeah. How did that shift? So I really thought, when we're successful, when we're rich, I'm gonna feel like everything's gonna be okay. Because you look at successful wealthy people

and you're like, at least for me, I can't speak for other people, I admire them. Oh my God, look at that watch. Like look at that thing, right? Like oh my God. That car, the house. Yeah, I'm gonna feel great when I have it. So because you think that about that person,

you think that's how you're going to feel when you get there. So I'm going to take you back. Quest is announced as a billion-dollar company, but we all know until you actually make any sales, you don't make any money. You literally don't make any money. You're just getting a salary and some bonuses. Yeah.

Tom and I were still sharing the same Ford Focus with a hole in the exhaust when Quest was announced as a billion-dollar company. So everyone thinks you're wealthy, but we literally had Tom's salary, and that was it. So we go to sell a very small portion of Quest. And so these things take months and months and months. Right, right.

How much did you guys – what was the percentage? I think it was like 9% at the beginning. That you guys had total? That we sold. Or you sold, gotcha. So there's three business partners, Tom and then the other. So they split it three ways essentially. Yes, exactly. So we split like 9% or something like 11%. I can't remember how much,

this was a while ago. So it's a small percent, so you're still taking massive ownership over it, but it was still a hell of a lot of money. Absolutely. So now that sort of thing takes months and months and months. So we didn't want to talk about it. We didn't tell anybody that we were trying to sell a bit because you never know what's going to happen. So one day we hear rumors that today is going to be the day. That the money comes in. Yes.

Like there's a wire transfer of this much money. Our fourth focus is still sitting in the drive. And we hear these rumors from our finances that the money's about to come in. So we're working in our makeshift garage gym. And in between reps, Tom's all right babe refresh refresh no nothing yet refresh refresh and literally one button refresh boom your life changes wow and in that moment i was like oh my god and so we hugged we took a couple of selfies and then what did we do lewis we got back up and went back to work yeah and in that moment because the first one was like babe

where are you going yeah we're gonna set up he goes we've got to get and went back to work yeah and in that moment because the festival is like a boy you come yeah we're gonna step because we've got to get back to work I like our mission isn't done that's like you're right and in that moment it was such a beautiful realization because we had had a myth so we were chasing money we said stop chasing money now let's chase something that's actually predicated on passion desire and value add that was quest nutrition so we flipped our mindsets we stopped chasing money and in the effort of stop chasing money it led to us creating money but because of we'd already developed a mission we'd already developed our why we knew I were getting out of bed every day that didn't change

just because our bank account did now look I'm I'm not going to pretend. It was amazing. We didn't tell anybody and about two days later or something, we went shopping. And it was like, Get whatever you want. So it was like, that's amazing. I'm never going to BS anyone. It was a dream come true. It was wonderful, but it didn't change how I felt about myself. It didn't change my mission. Did you believe you were deserving and worthy of the money?

I don't really think like that. I don't really know what that means because when it says deserving, there are people out there that have a harder life than I do, that work harder to provide for their family than I do. So it's hard for me to say deserve. We worked freaking hard for it. We sacrificed.

So do I think that it was, you know, well placed, maybe? Sure. You know, it's hard for me to answer that. It really did become a, when you get what you think you want, when you go to bed at night, how do you feel about this stuff? And it was the same. It was just in more expensive bed sheets. Right. You know, and the nicer car. Yeah. The negative voice is still there. The person saying that you're not good, it's still there. The imposter syndrome is still there. It's just in a nicer house.

So you still felt like an imposter? Oh my God, of course, yeah. What was the imposter voice? I still felt like I was helping my husband out. What year was this? 2015. Okay, so that's seven years ago. So what was the voice in your head at that time? When this massive number hits the bank account, what is that imposter voice saying to you?

Even though at this point I had 40 employees underneath me, 10,000 square foot, literally went from shipping bars on my living room floor to that. And then imposter syndrome was, is that my husband and his business partners earned the money and I was a good help. So that's what you were saying yourself. Yeah, and so even that took work and internal work and the value, what value do you bring to the table,

just because your name is on that piece of paper, as like, you know, a founder, because those three were, it's like, you've brought, you know, to really coach myself through, but you've sacrificed, you've given every hour of every day. Literally, I was working 12, 13 hours a day.

So to really believe in myself that I had earned that was very hard, but it was important for me to do. And then the idea of, in the grind, when things are hard and you're asking what the hell are we doing this all for like why tom and i would drive around beverly hills in our crappy car and we would like point out all the houses we would buy and we were like i like this style no no i like this style and then eventually the money comes to our account and we actually can buy the house that we're like the roads that we're touring so it's like the biggest dream come true and in that moment it was like i wanted a waterfall so i'm a 90s chick i love hip-hop and i love 90s and

so i was like always joking but really serious i was like babe i want to do like our own version of a 90s hip hop music video. I want a waterfall, I want Dom Perignon bottle, like I wanna pour it down me in a sexy outfit, I want you to film me, like that was the dream. I have to emotionally tie to a dream, it can't just be like a house. It has to be like the feeling of getting the house.

So I had this vision, we finally get the house, it finally has a fricking waterfall, dude, we get the keys, we got a bottle of Dom Perignon, Tom's got a photo, he's taking a photo of me, I'm taking a swig of the champagne. And that was the moment my health and my gut felt like it, you know, obviously I've had health issues, that was the moment.

Really? That same moment that we were celebrating the biggest achievement of our lives. Really? It's so cliche. Why was that the moment, do you think? So I think I'd had 15 years of gut issues. I was ignoring them, ignoring them, ignoring them.

I was priding myself on the grind. I wasn't priding myself on the self-care. So for years and years, I was getting sicker and sicker because I wasn't replenishing my gut. I had a very unhealthy relationship with food So I wasn't having fat. I wasn't eating carbs. I thought I had to be skinny as possible So all this unhealthy relationship, I was getting sick because I was working a lot I wasn't replenishing and so I was getting a lot of antibiotics

And so for like years and years and years I was taking three to four five times a year Years and years and years, I was taking three to four, five times a year antibiotics. And I really think it got to the point where I'd pushed myself into the ground and the bubbly and the alcohol, I think it was just that moment. Wow. And I think, and it literally,

from them it felt like it erupted. I didn't tell Tom because of course I'm trying to be strong. Sure. So I'm like, babe, I'll be back in a second. I run to the bathroom and I literally cannot, I'm like what the hell is happening to me My gut is in like so such disarray, but my husband's so excited for it. So of course of course What do I tell myself just push through it right don't tell him push through it's a celebration And I was like alright if I just get straight into this swimming pool, then I'll be able to hide my pain

Oh, man, so I get out. I'll be able to hide my pain oh man so I get out I'm like trying to pretend I'm like rushing into the same swimming pool and just the water pressure was too unbearable and that's when I'm like babe I don't know what's wrong from that was six years ago six years ago I'm still on my journey of healing my gut just to give perspective to everybody for a whole year I couldn't eat more than like four or five ingredients it was like beef salt coconut oil and chicken i was 20 pounds lighter than i am now my hair was falling out my nails were brittle and you want to talk about my

relationship with my husband i started feeling like i wasn't sexy I could barely hug him there's no any intimacy you go to understand what that does to a woman's emotions how I felt about myself mm-hmm so supportive but I felt like I wasn't bringing you know beauty to our relationship that was me that wasn't him sex was out the window and it was like i couldn't even stand up at five minutes at a time and on the outside we had like just literally we're celebrating quest being a billion dollar company and one of the most um fastest growing nutrition companies in the world and here i am i can't even eat i pretended i didn't tell anybody for months I don't tell anyone so sorry I know that was a long story but really going back to your point of I remember the day that my success changed

and that was the most beautiful lesson that I like if I can look back right like I think it was Tony Robbins that I use all the time how can I make the most horrific thing be the best things ever happened to me yeah in that moment giving I was tested. Giving it meaning, yeah. Yeah. And in that moment, I was tested. And it was like, you can't, I mean, like I said, I'm still chocolate six years later. But how can that moment be the best thing that's ever happened to me? Number one, I took ownership.

I did it to my gut. I was the one that had a bad relationship with food. I was the one that was taking the antibiotics and for so long I was like it's the doctor's fault it's the experts fault it's that person's fault taking ownership over my health changed everything not just for my health but in the way that I see business in the way that I see my relationship now every time something goes wrong the very first thing I ask myself is how can I take ownership over this how was this my own doing so that changed my whole health that changed my business every time now something goes

wrong in the business whether it's an employee that has royally screwed up I literally before I say anything it's like what's my ownership in there yeah I know that feel and so that just changed everything and then it also changed my idea of success. It really did. And so when I got, thank God, like I don't know how I would think about success if that hadn't happened to me.

I don't know how I would think about money if that didn't happen to me. How do you think about it now? I don't give a shit. Like I love it, of course. It allows me to create content, right? It allows me to impact people. It allows me to do all the things that I do every every day if ever I was come into conflict with my relationship

I wouldn't think twice about it if ever was come into conflict of me feeling good about myself I wouldn't think about it like that's what I mean by it doesn't dictate Who I am and how I show up every day is an amazing facilitator amazing and I'm such an advocate for wealth creation I never I think it's BS open oh like no no it can do beautiful things it really can so I'm not gonna be s anyone but money in and of itself is like a superpower you can use it for good or you can use it for evil it's your choice and so for me it's like it can be it's so beautiful because I'm able to create beautiful things out of

it but it doesn't have a reflection of how I feel about myself Who I am and how I show up every day and I don't know if it would have It may have done that if my gut didn't fall apart interesting What has been the biggest struggle then for you mentally and emotionally in the last couple years the biggest struggle is trying to ascend to the mountaintop. And the reason I say that, bro, is... To get to the mountaintop? Yes.

Trying to climb. What is the mountaintop? I think the mountaintop is different for everyone. Is that a goal? For me, the mountaintop is checking boxes. Okay. Right? Like, it's checking boxes.

Give me an example. An example. Okay, great. Now I host my own show on sports. Speak for yourself. Check. Okay, great. Now I've partnered with Oprah on a book.

Oh, another book. Oh, a third book. Yeah. Check. Okay, but the book has to best sell. Check. It's just like, it's just trying to ascend, ascend trying to do and not being dejected when you don't and then bro i also think trying to figure out our place on this earth yeah i think

we're all trying to do that when we remove the masks and the makeup, figuratively speaking, of our life, we're all trying to figure out what value am I providing to the people I'm interacting with? What value am I providing to society? Where is my place in life? And I've been constantly, my biggest struggle the last couple years is trying to really figure that out. And now that it appears i figured that out

trying to sustain right the heat excuse me and the hate that comes with that the heat and the hate because i don't think people understand that once you have audience and attention there will be heat and hate no matter how pure your intentions are no matter how kind you try to be there'll be hate but you know what I've realized, man, and my co-host Marcellus Wiley says this, criticism is the cost

of praise. It is. We don't realize that enough. Like recently, for those watching sports news, Naomi Osaka,

number one tennis player in the world just a couple years ago, she tried to stop a tennis match because somebody said you suck. Somebody yelled you suck and she went to the judge and went because somebody said you suck somebody yelled you suck

and she went to the to the judge and was like and went to the oven was like yo can we stop the match like and get them kicked out is this recently recently i didn't see this two days ago um she tried to stop the match and say kick that person out correct um and at the end of the postgame press her tears came into her eyes for different reasons and i was just like criticism is the cost of praise. And when you are- If you don't want criticism, don't play the game. You just, you, it's like, you don't have a choice.

You know? Don't play, don't show up. You can't play if you don't want criticism. It's not even like you were advising Donut. It's like, yo, criticism comes with it. Here's the, here's the funny thing, not to cut you off, is that you're gonna be criticized at the top or criticized for doing nothing. So you might as well do something you enjoy. Because if you're sitting on the couch and you have all this potential, but you don't do something, the people closest to you are going

to say, what are you doing? This person has so much potential. Give me their potential. I could do something great with this, but they're just sitting on their couch depressed, worried about people's thoughts or opinions. There's a price either way. You got to pay it either way. You got to pay it either way. You got to pay it either way. Maybe it's greater price as you're climbing and dealing with the more attention, but there's a price either way.

You know what else, man? And I've realized this too, and it's hit me in the face. You can't call for attention and hang up. Yeah, someone look at me. Oh, but always say nice things about me. You can't, you can't. And whether we intentionally call for attention or we don't,

you can't call for attention and hang up. Like the boy who cried woof, like us in our friend groups, like a child in a house cries and cries. Mother asks what's wrong, father asks what's wrong. Nothing. And what are you crying for? You can't call for attention and hang up. And so I think

there's just a lot of, of learning and discovering that I'm doing on this journey. Yeah. The emotional regulation is funny. I was just interviewing a neuroscientist slash brain surgeon. He's an expert in both areas. So he studies the brain and the mind, right? The thoughts. And after this two-hour conversation, the whole thing came down to the number one skill to have is the ability to emotionally regulate your feelings and how thoughts, the brain and the mind are connected to feelings and the ability to emotionally regulate them. Not saying that you're not going to have a wide range of emotions, but the ability to regulate under pressure, under stress, so that you can get into flow, that you can get

back to your mission, your vision, and not be in chaos mode. You can defend yourself rationally, essentially, in times of chaos. And he said, that's kind of what it comes down to. If I could teach a skill, it'd be the skill of emotional regulation. And I think the farther we try to strive to unlock our potential, the more we need to learn that, because the more people are going to be coming at us, it sounds like. Yeah, yeah.

One, I think that's a phenomenal thought. I think it was Michael Jordan's trainer who said, emotions are dangerous, but control danger or it's like a controlled aggression is like the most dangerous of all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is that Tim Grover? Yeah. Yeah. He's great. It's like the most dangerous of all. Yeah. Because being emotional and reacting, you're going to fall out. You're going to do something stupid. Correct. Which I did many times in multiple sports. And then you learn the lesson, oh my emotional reaction gets me on the bench.

Or it hurts my team. And you know what's interesting, we're talking sports but this is a life conversation. Yeah it's life. Because while you can say fell out literally, figuratively speaking, if you're at the grocery store and then you get upset and then you get emotional and then you get into it with the cashier emotionally falling out, if you're at the grocery store and then you get upset and then you get emotional and then you get into it with the cashier emotionally fouling out if

you're talking to a friend and then you get into it with your friend and then you say something you shouldn't have emotionally fouling out relationship oriented if you're talking to somebody and you're dating and then you get into it so we're talking a sports conversation but it is the controlling of your mind but to me me, bro, everything starts with the mind. Both our greatest limitations and our greatest accomplishments, to me, it's all up here. Absolutely. Well, what has been the biggest, you talked about living a life without failure or fear of failure? Living a life without failure. What is the biggest fear for you

in the last couple of years then? And now that you've, let's call it broken through, right? You were already really successful. I mean, you're an NFL player and had a career in sports TV and all these things. But broken through to a different level, what is now the greatest fear? That's why I like talking to you. You understand, man? That's why I like talking to you. My biggest fear is becoming complacent my biggest fear is not realizing i'm living inside of a box that is around me my biggest fear is not realizing

hey there's a door you haven't yet opened and what you think is a world is actually just a locker that you are inside of one of my greatest one of my favorite scenes of any movie it's the end of Men in Black I believe it's Men in Black 1 and at the end of the movie they open up a locker and they open up the locker and they realize there's an entire another world out there they thought they were living in their world but there's such a bigger world out there. And my greatest fear is not pushing beyond a boundary because I don't even realize the boundary is set because I didn't set it because somebody else set it.

And I've been living inside of somebody else's box or somebody else's boundary. The reason we don't achieve our highest highs bro, isn't because we're not skilled, it isn't because we're not skilled it isn't because we're not talented it isn't even necessarily because we don't want it it's because we don't realize realize how high we could achieve right I think that's the biggest limiting reactant realizing our eyes one of my favorite

stories if not my favorite story story of Roger Bannister mm-hmm four minute while we're in a mile for those that aren't familiar Roger Bannister. Four minute mile. Four minute mile. For those that aren't familiar, Roger Bannister, scientists believed it was physically impossible, impossible to run a mile in under four minutes. Quick history lesson for everybody. It's my favorite story. Scientists believe it's physically impossible to run a mile in under four minutes.

May 5th, 1952, it had never been done in 2000 years, but by May 6th, Roger Bannister, Oxford, England, runs a mile three minutes 59 seconds within two years ten people ran a mile in under four minutes now the world record for the mile three minutes for 43 seconds and roughly 1,800 people have done so why because one man Roger Bannister removed the barriers that other people set around him. One man said, you know what?

I'm not gonna subscribe to that barrier. One man said, I'm not gonna subscribe to goals. One man said, I'm not gonna subscribe to that. And he broke the dam open for everybody. And after that dam was broken for everybody, the whole rest of the running world proceeded to run through it. So my biggest fear, bro, is living inside of a box

that somebody else set before me. So if you don't have goals to break or reach, what are you reaching for? Like what's beyond a barrier that you're not trying to accomplish? For me, I'm reaching for movement. Okay. That trying to accomplish for me I'm reaching for movement okay all it is I'm ready for progress moving forward I'm moving forward so it's not reaching an end goal no it's moving yes it's moving forward man like you you're gonna do another episode tomorrow and hopefully

it's better than the day and then the next tomorrow and hopefully it's better than that day and then you're just gonna keep moving like let's not get so bogged down by but I didn't get this oh but I got that just keep moving forward when you go to a beach and you end up standing in the ocean eventually after about five minutes you'll look back and like yo I don't drift it away far away yeah and you just drifted further than you ever thought. That's where I'm at now. Let's keep moving forward.

We get so caught up in, I want to be married by 26 and I wanna have two kids and I wanna have bought my first home by 29 and by 35, I wanna be done having kids and I wanna have four kids, two boys, two girls, preferably twins, because that would be easiest. Book all that. Yeah. Forget all that goal setting.

Goals lead to failure. I want to live the most impactful and significant life I can possibly live. And if I happen to live that life with somebody else, great. And if I don't, great. And at 35, I want to see where I am. And at 35, I want to see where I am. And at 30, I want to see where I am. And I want to just continue to move forward and make progress as a human being. But at the end of the day, bro, the reason we have these goals isn't even because of us. It's because of other people. This blew my mind. This blew my mind. And you're a

sports guy, so this might blow yours as well. This truly blew my mind. We often debate LeBron James, Michael Jordan, greatest basketball player of all time. Who do you say, sir? I mean, I'm from Ohio, so I'd go for LeBron. Go for LeBron. I just saw LeBron last night, too, play. So, right. I mean, he's still playing at what?

He's at the highest level. He's 37 years old. He just had 10,000 rebounds, 10,000 points, and 10,000 assists. Beast. Let me blow this Michael Jordan-LeBron James debate open for a second. Yes. For those that claim Jordan's the greatest basketball player ever, they claim it primarily for this reason.

He went to six NBA championships. And he won six. And he won six. But outside of those six NBA championships, Jordan never went back to an NBA finals. He won six times and he won all six times. LeBron on the other hand has gone 10 times and he's only won four.

It's more like, he's more like Tom Brady, you know. Gone 10, won four, Jordan went six, won six times. Okay, great. Now let's talk about the same exact sport, basketball. Let's talk about the same exact result, first place and or second place, Jordan and LeBron. But now let's talk about a different measuring system, a different metric system, the Olympic Games. In the Olympic Games, Michael Jordan would have six golds, no silvers. LeBron would have four golds and six silvers. On an Olympic scale, four golds and six silvers is abundantly and clearly greater than six golds and six silvers. On an Olympic scale, four golds and six silvers

is abundantly and clearly greater than six golds. But in the NBA scale, six golds is better. So the question simply comes down to whose metric system are you using? And the problem is we let other people's metric systems

dictate the happiness in our life. Because in the NBA, you finish in second, you leave the court crying and weeping, devastated Because in the NBA, you finish in second, you leave the court crying and weeping, devastated. The Olympic games, you finish in second, to a degree you're elated, depending on what country. Right. Why?

Because somebody else dictated how we should feel about a certain situation based upon their metric system, not even our own. Absolutely. And I'm just done subscribing to other people's metric systems. I go to the Olympics, that's an accomplishment. I go to the Olympics and get a bronze,

I'm like, I medaled, you know. I'm one of the three best in the world. Yeah, exactly. At what I do. Exactly. But in the NBA, you get third. In the NFL, you're finishing third. In the MLB, you're finishing third or fourth.

You're like, you're petrified, you're distraught. And I've realized, bro, we just subscribe to other people's metric systems. And we let it dictate our happiness. Now tell me, okay, I love this approach. I love the philosophy and the mindset. But for someone watching or listening who's like, okay, but I really want to accomplish some goals to feel like I'm accomplishing something. Because I want it to build my, because it's always built my confidence when I do accomplish. But I hear you say, but if you don't accomplish this, it's going to hurt your self-esteem.

So how do we, if someone's like, I want to write a book this year, do I set a goal to write a book or is it a journey of writing the book? Do I create micro goals on a weekly basis and have accountability? There's going to be deadlines. Or how do we think about the process of like completing a project launching something we want to launch doing our artwork creating our music whatever might be mm-hmm how do we then set these things and make them happen right so I got my masters in sports

psychology and I dedicated my final thesis paper if you will for my master's degree to this concept i elaborate and expound on this concept in a logical but i will give you a snippet because i studied goals so long i understand there is a use for goals when you are talking about the micro in order to accomplish something there is a use for goals in a relay race to stick an olympic sport of track and field it does not matter how fast we run if we do not get the baton around right so the micro goal needs to be to get the baton around when I say don't set goals have an objective with no limitations I'm talking about a larger principle of life yes when you're

talking about macro things such as hey I just want to write a book right when the macro of writing a book sure say I want to finish a chapter on Monday and I want to finish my I want to write a chapter every week every Monday if you have a employer who's like hey we need this done by this date well within that stance there is a means to set a goal you talked about talking to the neuroscientist you mentioned this pivotal word flow in order to achieve flow flow is simply when you no longer are conscious of time in the midst of a task. In order to achieve flow, you need automatic feedback, autonomous feedback. In order to get that feedback, you need to set goals. So there

are principles, objectives in life within micro constructs where goals have value. I'm talking about the macro look of life where goals will do more damage than they will success. Or at least goals will just be a limiting reactive. Because I always think, what if Roger Bannister wasn't just trying to break the four minute mile? How much faster could he have gone? You never know. He went 3599.8 he broke it barely literally two tenths of a second was the difference how much

faster could he have gone maybe no faster right but maybe if my goal lewis was to write a book i would have wrote a book i wouldn't wrote the second one and i might not have written the third one so that's where i'm thinking like bigger picture. I just want to see people be the best version of themselves. So how do we, I mean, people are going to fail, but you're saying to reframe failure or to not even look at failure as an option, because if you don't set the goal, you can't fail in that sense.

Bingo. I thought about this the other time. I don't think people fail. What I say is this, and I thought about this the other time I don't I don't think people fail what I say is this and I thought about this I didn't fail I fell and as long as I get up by way oh yeah like a child a child falls hundreds and thousands of times and they never think to themselves maybe this walking thing isn't for me to do they fell they fall and they get up we didn't fail we fell as long as you get up you win the winning isn't getting up so many people think they failed

they didn't fail they stopped you stopped yeah you didn't fail you just failed fell and you just never got up that's it a relationship didn't work you didn't fail that relationship and then before you didn't fail in that relationship job you got fired you didn't fail you fell get up you'll look back you win as long as you get up so when people keep talking about failure i don't subscribe to that but i don't subscribe to goals because ultimately to fail is to put a period where a comma belongs. I ain't doing that no more, big dog. Or a dot, dot, dot. Exactly. To be continued.

I ain't putting periods where commas belong anymore. And then we do that too often in our life. It's like, ah, this relationship ended, period. No, this relationship ended. I found somebody who was more suitable for me, who I am more suitable for. And I now ended up significantly happier than I was previously. That's a good way to look at it. I mean, I feel like it took me a long time to learn how to walk in relationships.

I was just falling and wobbling all over the place. I just needed some coordination sooner. But it took me a while to be able to look back and learn the lesson. And I feel like I'm in a much more stable place. I have coordination with my body now in relationships in terms of walking. And some people learn faster in certain areas of life. But it's not about giving up

on love, giving up on your career, your books, or your message, or your art. Yeah. It's about learning. A friend of mine

posted this video. His name is Devin Rodriguez. He got big on TikTok. I think he's got like 30 million followers in the last two years. He got big on TikTok. I think he's got like 30 million followers in the last two years. He started drawing people on subways in New York City. And he would just see them, he would draw them

and he would hand them a sketch and people would be blown away. He did a video recently where he started learning in 2010 how to draw. And he posted a photo from 2010 to 2020 every year, his work work and it was ugly the first five years I mean it was you'd throw it away it was so bad right it was like a five-year-old sketch it was like something I would do right now it's

about how I draw but now it looks like you take a photo of someone and he can draw it perfectly but it took him ten years to master the skill. He didn't fail the first five years, seven years. He fell forward by kept improving. I think it's a beautiful lesson you're talking about. Don't think of it as failure. Think of it as falling. Bro, and so many people in our life, even our loved ones,

want to tell us that we failed and we begin to believe them. And that's the problem. We've all committed to believing the lie that we have failed in life. We failed in our school. We failed in our relationships. We failed in our jobs.

We haven't actually failed. But if you believe and listen to a lie long enough, you will be convinced that it's the truth. Yeah. And what I now practice is detangling so many of the lies that we've been told over time, deconstructing so many of the thoughts that we've believed over time, because it's those thoughts and it's those lies that bog us down. Yeah. And, bro, this also blew my mind. The Mona Lisa, I went to Paris last summer. I went to Paris, I went to the Louvre. And bro, you been to the Louvre?

I think I went to the outside, I didn't go inside. Yeah, yeah. So I'm in the Louvre and there's art everywhere. There's art on the ceiling, there's freaking art on the walls, art on the left side, or there's art everywhere. As I walking through this you know hundreds of acres seemingly i see a huge long line for the mona lisa i don't know yet i don't know so i'm like what in the heck is this line for there's art everywhere y'all why y'all standing in the line to see a piece of art just look left

i turn the corner huge line for the mona lisa I was like I ain't waiting in the blinds I'm just walk by and see I look at it. It's nice. It's nice. It's a painting the painting painted somewhere from 1503 to 1518 I believe historians suggest You realize if the Mona Lisa were painted today might go to garage sale for $20. Yeah, maybe maybe but why? Because the Mona Lisa back then depicted a pale woman with thin lips and a large forehead. And that was the depiction of beauty back then. Depiction of beauty in 2022. Sun kissed skin, you know, thin waist, nice build. But why, bro, do we subscribe to a definition of beauty that somebody else set?

Because you can never catch it. The definition of beauty in the 1500s, vastly different than the definition of beauty now. What was beautiful then, we don't value now. What we value now, we don't value then. But either way, we didn't even set it. Back to, why do we let such insignificant people have significance in our lives?

And man, I'm just like, what all are we believing? Yes. That we just don't need to. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's episode with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me personally, as well as ad-free listening, then make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Share this with a friend on social media and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts as well. Let me know what you enjoyed about this episode in that review. I really love hearing feedback from you and it helps us figure out how we can support and serve you moving forward. And I want to remind you if no one has told you lately that you are

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