The School of Greatness - The Spiritual Teacher: "The Universe is Love!" Awaken To The New Consciousness To Manifest Anything!

Episode Date: October 17, 2025

Gary Zukav spent half his life addicted to sex, anger, and the relentless pursuit of external validation, until a chance meeting with physicists changed everything. In this profound conversation, he shares the moment he realized he was exploiting others while believing he was the one in control, and how that awakening led him to understand authentic power. Gary breaks down why our deepest pain, betrayal, loss, grief, is actually communication from our soul, showing us exactly what we need to heal. He explains the difference between love and fear as the only two intentions behind every action we take, and offers a step-by-step process for recognizing which one is driving us. You'll walk away understanding that healing an addiction (to anything) is one of life's greatest spiritual accomplishments, and that the smallest decisions, to stay tender when you want to harden, to pause when you want to lash out, are where true greatness lives.The Gary Zukav PodcastGary’s books:The Seat of the SoulUniversal HumanDancing Wu Li Masters: An Enlightening Exploration of Quantum Physics, Eastern Philosophy, and the Interplay of Science and SpiritualityThe Heart of the Soul: Emotional AwarenessIn this episode you will:Discover the core experience every human shares, feeling inadequate and unlovable, and learn how to transform it through emotional awareness rather than avoidanceMaster the practice of scanning your body for painful physical sensations (tightness in throat, heaviness in chest, burning in solar plexus) to identify when fear is controlling your decisionsLearn why every experience in life, even devastating ones like cancer or betrayal, serves you by revealing parts of your personality you need to heal in order to give your greatest giftsUnderstand the law of attraction and karma as inseparable forces, your energy attracts like energy, and every intention you act on creates consequences you will eventually experience yourselfBreak free from the myth that success comes from external achievement and recognize that greatness lives in the smallest moments: choosing tenderness over hardness, patience over anger, giving without a hidden agendaFor more information go to https://lewishowes.com/1838For more Greatness text PODCAST to [phone]More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Gregg Braden – greatness.lnk.to/1726SCPrice Pritchett  – greatness.lnk.to/1821SCDr. Joe Dispenza – greatness.lnk.to/1809SC Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy!Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome back, everyone, to the School of Greatness. Very excited about our guest. We have the inspiring Gary Zucov in the house, who's written four New York Times bestsellers, including one that was number one for many years called The Seat of the Soul. You've got a new book called Universal Human, which is about creating authentic power

and the new consciousness. So good to see you. Grateful that you're here. And the last time we had you on, people loved it, but we were on Zoom. It's during the pandemic. Now we're in person and I'm excited for this moment because there is a lot of chaos, a lot of pain, a lot of uncertainty, a lot of fear in the world with so much that's shifting around political changes, around economic changes, around potential war changes or threats. And you talk about in this book the difference between an old consciousness and a new consciousness.

And I'm curious, what is the new conscious and what do we need to let go of in order to step into this new way of being? Oh, great questions. Let me start with the old consciousness. Millennials don't know it. Gen Z don't know it. But I know it. And anyone that's your parents knows it. It's limited to the five senses.

And that means if it can't be detected by the five senses, its imagination, or its delusion, the new consciousness does not have those limitations. So we are able to experience the Earth's rule. That's this domain of time and space and matter and duality without the limitations imposed upon us by the five senses. And that means we can have direct experience of non-physical reality. We know, for example, that we are more than minds and bodies. We know it. We know that there is a component of our personalities

that is older than we. That knows more than we. In the Western religious language, that would be called a soul. Now, before I talk about the new consciousness, more, I want to say to you and to the people who are listening to us, are watching us, I do not expect you to accept anything that I say is true just because I say

it. On the contrary, I suggest that if I say anything with which you resonate, experiment with it. Take it into your life. See what it produces. And if you like it, experiment some more. And if it doesn't, let it go. Yeah. Don't try to wear a shoe that pinches. Right. Yeah, that hurts you. I know that feeling. everybody knows the feeling of trying to please someone else trying to be something else trying to do something else but not something that comes from your heart not that gives you meaning it takes you forward toward a goal of your life yeah and there's only one goal that you have in your life love love is authentic power authentic power is love love is the universe the universe is love you are not separate from the universe I am not separate from the universe nothing is separate from the universe and the universe is not separate from anything

what could it be separate from that means we are more than connected we are one that's where the new consciousness is taking us in a world of uncertainty and a world of comparison in a world of trying to people please to fit in when the ego is driving

personalities in the world, how can people believe that they can tap into love to create more effortlessly or to manifest more effortlessly or to have the life of their dreams more effortlessly when there's so much tension in their environment, in the media, in their nervous system, and they're clinging to ego versus love? I would say fear versus love. The opposite of love is not hate, it's fear. Fear that we experience is anger, jealousy, resentment, competitiveness, superiority, inferiority, compulsions, obsessions, addictions. And everyone has parts of their personality that originate in fear. And the opposite of that is love.

These are things that we experience as gratitude, appreciation. appreciation, caring, contentment, patience, all of the universe. This is the fundamental duality in the earth school. We are not what we appeared to be to ourselves when we were limited to the five senses. We appeared to be a book, you might say. The book began when we were born or conceived, however you look at it, And the book ends when we die. From the perspective of our souls, you might say we're a chapter in a book.

And the book does not end when the chapter ends. When your soul returns home to non-physical reality, it discards your personality. That's a tool of your soul. but your soul is immortal that means that consciousness and responsibility for what you create in the earth school does not end when your personality ends

it continues in the east this is called karma so what are you writing in your chapter the span of time between your birth and your death and time is something that doesn't exist outside of the Earth school, that doesn't exist in non-physical reality.

For example, my beloved Linda Francis that I was with in the Earth School for 27 years, and we created and co-created and had a wonderful time. I never knew that that kind of experience could happen because before that, for most of my, the first half of my life, I was addicted to sex and I didn't know what relationships were. They began and ended in sex.

That's not a relationship. I thought that was very intimate. There's no intimacy in it. It's mutual praying of one person upon another. So when Linda appeared in my life, other things began to appear too. When I first met her, I pushed her away. Really? Why? Good question.

I could tell you the reasons I thought at the time she was wearing her hair cut really short she was wearing sweats it was at this new age retreat she was barefoot walking on gravel barefoot and I didn't appreciate any of that but then when she moved to Mount Shasta which is where I was living afterwards I was living there at the time and afterwards she moved to Mount Shasta

this is the part that starts where new experiences start. I was happy to see her. She came with a U-Haul trailer with her dad and one of her friends from chiropractic school and I didn't know why I was feeling so happy. And that happiness continued for 27 years. And we knew after a while, I helped her move in to Mount Shasta.

She wasn't. At first she was moving to Mount Chasta, then she decided not to move to Mount Chasta because of a guy. And then she decided not to not move to Mount Chasta because of a guy. So she called me to tell me that she was coming and she would come over and we would talk sometimes in the afternoon and sometimes that was pleasant and other times I just wanted to leave. I didn't, I was very uncomfortable and after about six months I began to think I'm in a relationship I think this is what happens Wow

Then she went to Europe For a couple of weeks And during that time I realized I don't want to live in a cabin next down a street Across a little town from hers I want to live with her And when she came back

She'd had the same realization It was a sweet realization It was effortless And we moved into my little cabin together Wow and that's when things continued to happen for all the time we were together

our togetherness was so easy so effortless so real so complete so deep I don't think I thought a relationship had to have a lot of struggle and do you love me I want you to feel my love and I just loved her

just love her completely what do you think shifted inside of you from being a sex addict and being attracted to pleasures to being able to align your soul to attract a spiritual partner that was beyond the pleasure world. Yes, it didn't jump from A to B.

It was, I already knew this book, The Seed of the Soul, describes exactly my process in going to and through and out the other side of my addiction to sex. And I recommend it to everyone, whether your addiction is to alcohol or drugs or sex or masturbating or pornography or shopping or gambling

an addiction is a part of your personality that's out of your control it's in the control of the external world it's your greatest inadequacy but it is a frightened part of your personality and it can be treated the same way as any frightened part of your personality

what is that the root cause of all addiction. Fear, pain. It's the same. Fear is pain. Emotional pain is fear. Emotional pain is physical pain. And when you read this book, you learn how to learn when you're in fear or when you're in love somatically through your body.

It won't lie to you. So, for example, if you're feeling a painful physical sensation, of painful emotional experience, then you put your attention inside of you, not outside. This is where the old consciousness has you put your attention. Because from that perspective, it's the world that's producing pain in you. So to relieve yourself of the pain requires changing the world. That's manipulation and control.

That's external power. Changing people, changing your external environment, whatever it might be. Yes. Changing policies, trying to change things that are hurting me. Precisely. precisely Lewis. That is the understanding of power of the old consciousness. It's the only understanding of power that a consciousness that's limited to the five senses can have the ability to manipulate and control. We have a new consciousness now. It's been emerging rapidly

since the late 1980s. And within another generation and a half, everyone will have it. And it brings with it the potential of a new power, a new kind of power. What is that power? Authentic power. The alignment of your personality with your soul, with harmony, cooperation, sharing, and reverence for life. And more than that, the old understanding is more than obsolete from the perspective of our evolutionary requirements. It is toxic. It produces only violence and destruction. That is what we are seeing. I would say about half of our species has the new consciousness now.

That's why for millennials in Gen Z, I wouldn't even say the old consciousness and the new. The new consciousness for them is just consciousness. But for those who know the difference, it's a big difference. And there are a lot of people who are still in the... old consciousness, billions of them as well. And that is the situation that we are in now. It's not a political circumstance, an economic circumstance, a cultural circumstance. It's a spiritual circumstance. Speaking of the spiritual circumstance, I think a lot of people don't even know what a soul is. They may have heard, I have a soul, there's a soul in me, but what,

and I saw an analogy you made with Oprah one time, and I think, again, we talked about this before, Oprah's most interviewed guest, and you talked about, she was so impacted by the book. And you give an analogy for what the soul is. I'm wondering if you can share around a mothership. That came out in our first interview, and I had this experience, Lewis. I felt I was a surfer. I'm not a surfer.

I can surf a little bit. My son's a surfer. But I felt I was a surfer. I was on a board. and the wave was there. I didn't have to wait for it, and I didn't have to paddle to catch it. All I had to do was stand up and ride,

and I knew it was going to take me a long way. One of the questions, what's his soul? And it was in that moment that this experience of the mothership came as a beautiful metaphor. I love it when this happens. I said, your soul is like a mothership. Imagine a sailing ship that's as big as a city.

Gloria not glorious but I love sailing ships and it that's your soul and around your soul are a lot of little ships around the mother ships those of you those are your personalities most little ships are your personality the little boats each one of them is a personality okay of a soul your soul has lots of personalities got it and each of these little boats has a captain that's you. And when you sail your boat in the same direction that the mother ship wants to go, the trade winds are blowing right, the sailing is easy and the water's calm. The currents are right. The wind's not calm. It's blowing just where you want to go. It's smooth sailing. It's good sailing. When you're sailing in the opposite direction, the opposite happens. It's tough. The water the winds against you the current's not right it's it's hard you choose which direction you're going to sail and not only that you've got a crew some of this crew love sailing they love

sailing with you and when they and when they and when one of them takes the tiller it's good but you've also got part of your crew that doesn't like sailing doesn't like you doesn't like where you're going these are the frightened parts of your personality and when you let one of them take the tiller it's more difficult so that was how the metaphor was given to me of the mothership that's your soul yeah your soul is not a theoretical entity in your chest cavity or any place else and you don't have a soul you are the partial incarnation of a soul, and that soul, the power of it, the capability of it, is the same, but your experiences are calibrated, a step down enormously into the experience of physicalness. But think

of it this way. Suppose you think of a soul as something that... Suppose you're at the ocean and you take a cup and you put it in to the ocean. Well, in that moment, that cup has become, you might say separate from the ocean, it's become an individual cup of water. You can call it a soul, but it's still water. It's still the ocean. That cup is not changed. It's the ocean in that cup, calibrated to some experiences that your soul chooses to have prior to your incarnation. Now, this incarnation has been known by billions of people, Hindus, Buddhists, they all know it, but very few of them believe it. If they did, they would never do anything to create destruction in the world. It's just like in our culture, in the United States, it's a Christian nation.

And everyone knows what Christ said, as love your neighbor, how much. A lot. How much is a lot? Enough to die for him. Whoa, wait a minute, Christ. This is something to think about, and they do think about it. They think a lot about love your neighbor, but very few of them believe that or do that. If they did, what would this world be like? If everyone loved you enough to die for you, that's what the Christ was talking about. But we can talk later about the difference between the kernel of truth that is at the core of every religion and the incrustation around it, which is the religion. Whether it's Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, Baha'i, the incrustation, the establishment stands against

the universal truth that it claims as its own. This is very confusing, not only to religious professionals, but to, in this case, Christians, in this case, Buddhist. But you'll see that there is a difference between what the Christ taught and Christianity. You'll see there is a difference between what the Buddha taught once Siddhartha became the Buddha and Buddhism. I've been in Buddhist temples, like in Christian churches, but in Buddhist temples where Buddhists are elbowing each other at the base of a statue of the Buddha so they could put their stick of incense into the sand at his feet. This is not awareness. This is not awakeness. This is not your original face. This is Buddhism, the establishment. So as you understand this

larger context of a new consciousness that's emerging in our entire species, you understand a lot of things and one of them is why the world is falling apart now. Because everyone can see that this world is crumbling. All of our social structures are disintegrating health, health care, education, commerce. And the reason is our world was built with the old consciousness. And the old consciousness is dead. That's not dying, it's dead. So why do we still have the world?

a locomotive, the old kind, powerful, brutish, symbol of progress in its day. And people inside it are cushioned in comfort. They're looking out the window, the countryside's passing by faster. They're moving faster than a horse can run. And then they feel a deceleration. And slowly the train comes to a halt. And I said, what's happening? They get out. They ask another. They must have run out of fuel. It did. But they don't know that there isn't any more fuel coming. That's happening to us now. Everything that was built with and by and for the old consciousness, which expresses power as the ability to manipulate and control, is moving forward only by inertia. It's got a lot of momentum, a lot of inertia, but it's decelerating. That is the collapse that we're

seeing around us and when we understand that this is not a bad thing this is a thing and from the larger context it is the new consciousness emerging and a reaction on the part of those individuals who are still controlled and experience the old consciousness now we in the new consciousness and I say we because anyone who watches and listens to your podcast is not confined to the five senses. They do not see power as the ability to manipulate and control. And they're searching for it. This is the school of greatness. Let's talk a little later on about what is greatness. So we who are multi-sensory are not superior in any way to those who are still five-sensary. It's just a temporary ebb and flow in evolution. But when we see now,

the dichotomy, not only in the United States, but around the world, we can see this graphically, the difference between the old consciousness and the new. The people in the old consciousness are right and righteous. They need to manipulate, they need to control. It's frightened parts of their personality that need to do these things and do do these things. For example, our new president says we're a victim our country's been victimized they're taking advantage of us that's why we have such a trade deficit I won't let it happen I won't be victimized you elect me and we won't we'll show the world how great we are and if somebody hits me I hit him back harder and if they hit me again I hit

them back harder this is to him and to the people around him a truth a way of being in the world it's a dog-eat-dog world and I the biggest dog watch me it doesn't work anymore the pursuit of external power manipulation and control creates only violence and destruction and we're seeing it now and we're seeing the reaction the not the response in love but the reaction what we've done in the past with the pursuit of external power and now the question is what are we going to do about it yeah well we cannot change a world that's built on external power with more external power and not only that the pursuit of external power produces only

violence and destruction there is only one alternative to imploding under the fear of the collective there's only one alternative to resisting with another movement another party, more votes, there's only one alternative to a world that's based on fear, and that is its opposite, love. Our evolution now requires us to love our new president, to love the people who are attracted to him. And that doesn't mean invite them home to dinner. You might never want to do that. It means never forget that they are brothers and sisters.

They are incarnate souls as are we. Their lives are as complex and painful as difficult as our own. But we know how to identify frightened parts of our personalities that will dominate if we don't challenge them, that will control, that feel right and righteous, and challenge them, which means move beyond their control, and to create authentic power, which is love. There's no greater power.

Yeah. So this is where we are now. If someone watching is in their 20s and 30s and they feel out of control, they feel powerless. And in every area of their life, their finances, their health, their relationships, their career, whatever it might be, they feel like they're not in control.

And they feel like maybe they are, victim to what is happening around them, how can they even start the process of understanding what their soul truly wants and getting in alignment with that? How do you know what your soul wants you to do in this personality? Meaning, meaning, follow your sense of meaning, not your sense of need, not your want. I followed sex for decades. Um, I was so frightened, I didn't know I was frightened. The street name for that is macho. I was macho.

Somebody said, Gary, either way you are because you're frightened. I said, wait, you're talking to me? Come here. Come here. You're talking to me? Well, I'm not as big. I don't have as big a body as you, but I didn't realize that at the time. You got a lot of fight.

Yeah, what do you mean? I'm frightened, let me show you, frightened. And I became a paratrooper. I enlisted in the army. I became an infantry officer. I went to jump school. After that, I became a Green Beret officer. I went to Vietnam.

And all of this showed me the power of intention. I was sitting in my room with my roommates in our suite at Harvard, where I went, did undergraduate work, and got a degree. Although that was another story. It was a long road. But on my wall, I had poster of paratroopers exiting, floating down under their canopies. I was probably the only person at Harvard to put that on the bedroom wall. And I had brochures that I got from the Army of fellas locking out of a submarine at night with their faces painted in camouflage paint.

These were Army Special Forces. And I wanted to be this guys. Wow. So you were at Harvard. You had this on your wall, dreaming of it, thinking of it, visualizing it, and you wanted to manifest it. I didn't think of it that way, but that's exactly right. That's what you were living in that dream on a daily basis. You'd wake up and see the... I made it. My reality. It wasn't a dream. I wanted to be a special forces.

How can someone who has a dream manifest that dream? What's the process that you used? I wasn't thinking of it in terms of a process. All I knew was I was so insecure. I didn't even know I was insecure. I thought I was superior to everyone and everything. You thought you were superior, but you were very insecure. Absolutely. Everyone who thinks they're superior is that.

Wow. Look at our new president, and you can see the depth of insecurity there. And that is synonymous with the depth of pain. Pain that drives the need to control the world. What was the pain? that you had that made you feel insecure and then made you addicted to sex in the future and made you macho and all these things we are incarnations partial incarnations of a soul when i say you we plural when i say i am a partial incarnation of a soul

So the fears, the frightened parts of my personality and yours, some of them have their origin, have a familial or cultural origin. Some of them have as their origin experience in this lifetime, but others go beyond that. A fear or a painful part of my personality, a frightened part, might have come from, 300 years ago and it's happening now. The history of it is not important. What's important is what's happening now. That's all that's important because there is only now. There's not anything else.

Don't think in terms of a future because there is no such thing. You won't make plans in a future. Whatever plans you make you're going to make now because there's always a future. there's always only now. But you knew at that moment at Harvard that you wanted to create something for your life. You wanted to be of special forces, right? Exactly. In the future. But you're visualizing in the now, is that dream, correct? Yes, that's correct. So how do we live in the now, but also dream about creating our future now? I'd say, well, first of all, I didn't know then what I know now and so I can speak from this perspective now I ask I have a

non-physical teacher an angel and I have another one also and so did Linda same one and I asked my teacher once I told him I want to die consciously I want to be aware when I die. How can I do that? How can I die consciously? And he said, Gary, I suggest that you focus on living consciously. Because what I know now that I didn't know that, and I will share with you and with our viewers, you are your perceptions. They're not happening to you. You're not having them. You are your perceptions. What does that mean? It doesn't mean anything. It is a suggestion for you to look at. You are your perceptions. What are your perceptions? I am sitting here talking to an old friend, Lewis Howells, in his new studio, in another

location, and he's had experiences that are different in his life since we last met, and so have I. These are my perceptions. The studio has got black walls. There are two books on this table. Lewis is sitting in front of me. And these will, that's, now, you ask the question in a way that already gave an incorrect answer. What are your perceptions now?

What are you now? I can answer that in many ways. I'm a powerful and creative, compassionate, and loving spirit. I'm a universal human. I'm beyond nation, beyond religion, beyond culture, beyond ethnic group, beyond gender. I am not a child of the universe.

I am an adult citizen of the universe. My allegiance is to life, capital L, first and everything else second. For example, I am a universal human first and a male second. I am a universal human first and white second. I'm a universal human first and a grandfather second. I am a universal human first.

My allegiance is to life first and everything else second. All of these are happening at the same time. And there's only time here in the Earthscope. The new consciousness is taking us to these places, Lewis, not immediately, if it's like, in my case. In my case, the big news was there's a new consciousness that's not limited to the five senses. I know that I'm more than a mind and a body, and so does all do the people around me. That was the big news. That was the headliner.

It still is, as we're transiting from five sensory to... Mm-hmm. Multisensory humanity. But even as we're making this huge shift, this unprecedented epic transformation in human consciousness, we're being called to something beyond. We can't name it, we can't. We can't describe it as a multi-sensory human

can describe the new consciousness to a five-sensory human to a five-sensory human in terms of behaviors, but we feel it. That is the universal human. And beyond that lie infinite realms of potential and evolution. That are beyond human. Experience of them is not confirmed. to a single focal point, put it that way.

Sure. This is the, we call this path, we're on a path and we call it evolution. And this evolution is taking us in this direction. How fast you go there is up to you. Because you are a chooser. And here again, words don't travel there. You are not a chooser, you are choice.

Yes. cannot not choose and at every moment you're brought to a place of choice and the choice is always the same between love and fear so when you were in your dorm room then and you had images of special forces individuals in the army how are you choosing then to create that vision and bring it to your reality. I went down to the Army recruiting storefront and I joined the Army. That's it. Yes, that's the first step. You can't sit around thinking of a future and think it's going to happen. You've got to do it. And I didn't think in those terms. I just did it. Yeah. And I remember talking to the sergeant there and he said, fill out these forms and the Army is, the Army is going to

give you one of your top three choices of any job in the Army. So I took a his forms and I wrote, infantry, infantry, infantry. And he was from the south. And his face lit up ear-to-ear grin. And he said, boy, you're going to get just what you want. Wow. Okay. And I was, I got an appointment to Officer Candidate School in Fort Benning. And I was commissioned as a second lieutenant. Well, first of all, I went to Fort Gordon for basic infantry training. I stayed at Fort Gordon for advanced infantry training. And then the special forces were recruiting. And that was a fork in the road for me

because I could be an officer in the infantry or a special forces troop, which is what I wanted. But I wanted to be an officer more. I'd had enough of kitchen duty and being enlisted. I mean, so I got commissioned, went to Jump School.

From there, went to Special Forces Officer School in Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and there was sent to the first Special Forces group, Okinawa. And from there, I went on TDIY, temporary duty to Vietnam, with an A team, a Special Forces A team. That's 12 men, two officers, a captain, and a first lieutenant. I was a second lieutenant.

Lewis, that's impossible. Everyone was in all. There is nothing in the TOC, the table of organization. whatever that is whatever that is there are no second lieutenants in the special forces none i went to the first special forces group and was the ex-o of an a team as a second lieutenant why and probably the only one that graduated from harvard interesting why do you think your personality went into war essentially it wasn't war it was more personal than that i wanted to kill I wanted to kill somebody.

I was that angry. What were you angry about? Everything. Everything. My name, who I was, the people I was with, what I was around. I could never see the beauty in anything. It was always just the way it is.

And I was living in some wonderful places like North Beach in San Francisco. You're going to Harvard, top school in the country. But you were angry at everything. Well, first of all, I went from Pittsburgh Senior High School in Pittsburgh, Kansas to Harvard, and there's a difference. The only reason I got

into Harvard, I feel, was because of my debate teacher, Dan Thule, in Pittsburgh. He loved his students, almost as much as he loved golf, probably more. And I was a star. We won state championships, we won so many things, a star because when you debate you're on a team, a two-person team. Actually, there's two teams, one's debating negative. But anyway, we won a lot of trophies. And then I decided to apply to school. No one in my family had ever gone to college. This is one of the great gifts of my family. I always knew I would go to college and they expected me to. So when the time came, there was one other fellow from Pittsburgh that was at Harvard, Tommy. He said, why don't you apply?

So I did. I applied to two schools. One of them called itself, and I got accepted to both. One of them called itself the Harvard of the Midwest. The other was Harvard. What was that, Washington University? No, it was Northwestern. Northwestern.

There you go. And I went to Harvard. There you go. And I got out of the taxi from Logan Airport, walked through the game. into Harvard, one of the gates into Harvard yard and felt lost. Really? And that never left me through four years, more than that, because I quit Harvard.

Halfway through my junior year, I quit. At that time, there were three fellows that were murdered in Philadelphia, Mississippi. Scherner, Cheney, and Goodman were their names. And I knew I was going there. I didn't know why. I didn't have an agenda and I just thought I was going to Mississippi. Yeah, and I did. I called the NAACP office there the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and I said I want to come and

volunteer. I said don't come we don't need you. We don't want you. I can. I went anyway and when I got there I met Charles Evers who was the director then the brother of Medgar Evers who was murdered in that position earlier for holding that position and it was so kind to me i mean they didn't want me but they did help me find a room to rent and i never been to mississippi i put on my best summer suit i went to a a wep a gun store to buy a gun i was that insecure and i never been to a gun store and there was filled with a lethal looking weapons mean-looking things and the store was filled with men admiring them and handling them fondling them lovingly and I realized in that

moment if I were black I would quickly be dead hmm in that store it was that simple and that profound I bought a semi-automatic pistol that day mm-hmm wow and I took it back to the my rented room and I buried it in my suitcase under some clothes. Next time I went to look for it, it wasn't there. Charles and my new friends were preventing me from experiences that I didn't even know I could have. Experiences that were ugly beyond my belief. Wow. So I stayed in Mississippi and I was walked around with a black colleague knocking on doors, getting people to vote. And the shock, when someone had come to this green door and see me.

But we did it. And that was my summer, my first summer. That isn't when I quit Harvard. That's the summer before. I went to Jackson, Mississippi, and came back. But I learned things, but Harvard was never going to teach me. What did you learn? I never thought about putting it into words.

Fear, awareness of fear. I was a white sea. No, I was a white face in a sea of black faces. And it was only that sea, that ocean of black faces that kept me alive. Really? Really. And when I came back to Harvard, Harvard wasn't any more real to me, but that experience was real. And the next summer I decided to quit. So I went to the dean of students, and I told him I'm quitting.

And he said, we'll hold your place. I said, you don't have to do that, I'm quitting. He said, we'll hold it anyway, in case you'd change your mind. I said, I'm not going to, but he said, we'll hold it anyway, and that was the end of the conversation. He politely ended it. So I left. He also said, have you told your father? I told everyone else.

everyone else. I'm quitting. I'm quitting. You, the dean, I'm quitting. But when I went home to tell my dad, no one in my family had ever gone to college, and I was quitting Harvard. And I said, Dad, I couldn't talk. I'll be thinking, ah, I quit here. And I left. I got a ticket on the Queen Elizabeth, going to London. I never seen the ocean before. It was amazing. How long was that ride, that boat ride. I was only thinking about the young women on it. And when I got to London, my parents would never let me buy a motorcycle. First thing I did was buy a Triumph Speed Twin and I wrote it all over Europe, up and down Europe, across Europe, from the north part of Europe, Nordkopp, the farthest north, down to Morocco, out of Europe on the south. And

At the end of that time, I was in Istanbul, the fabled Constantinople on my imagination. And I knew, Lewis, I knew something as clearly as I know I'm talking to you. I knew I must not go further east. I must not. I'm at the top of a slippery slope. And that were those words in that image exactly. And if I start down it, it's going to take me to experiences that I do not want to have. You mean traveling east?

Yes. You mean crossing the bridge over to Asia? Yes. From Istanbul? I wanted to go to into the Khyber Pass. That's a well-known name now, and I was mournful one to millions of Americans. But I knew I should not do it. So I went back.

And it happened to be a year later, and I went right back into the next semester of my junior year. Interesting. Very. Well, part of this where you're at in the story, it sounds like you knew you wanted to go to college, but then you knew you wanted to leave college. But then you went traveling around Europe, but then you weren't supposed to go anymore and you came back. And part of this goes back to one of the questions I'm curious about is how do we know what our soul truly wants? You had different things and then you stop and you go back and you try here and you come here. For someone watching or listening in their 20s or 30s who's like, I don't even know what my soul is.

know what my soul wants versus what my desires want or my ego wants. How do I know which one is really soul's desire versus ego desire versus what my parents or my dad wants to do? How do we truly know what our soul wants us to do? You listen to somebody like me or like you. I didn't know then either. And I didn't know until I met someone, a woman, that I thought I wanted to spend my life with. And by then I'd gotten a little past just the same. sex part. Not a whole lot. And at one point, we even made plans to get married. How old were you around then? 20s, 30s? Must have been late 30s. Because the dancing wooly masters have been published then, and I wrote that in the mid-70s. I was in San Francisco. And at one time,

she came to visit me, and she said, I channel an entity. Would you like to meet it? And at that time, I had met one other channeled entity. I'd been invited to Sweden, to a talk, to a conference in Stockholm, because the dancing wooly masters had won the American Book Award for Science. And I'm not a scientist, but that's why I was invited. And there were three other guys with me. One of them was Edgar Mitchell, the Apollo 14 Astros. So we all got there, jet-lagged to an elegant hotel in the woods in Sweden. And the sponsor said, Gary, I have a surprise for you, for all of you. He took us to a room.

And there was an middle-aged man with his son, Swedish. And the middle-aged man closed his eyes, seemed to become someone else. and he was channeling an entity that said he was a 3,000-year-old Egyptian named Ambris. I had no patience for this. I was jet-lagged. That's when they get to it.

Like, what is this? Yeah, yeah. The next morning, Jan, the organizer, said, Gary, you can talk with Ambris anytime you want while you're here. I had no idea how many people were lined up to talk to Ambris in Sweden. And as shallow as my experience was with him,

I decided I was curious. So he took me back to the room, there was Iora, Stora, the channel, and his son, the translator, and then Stora became Ambrus. And the first thing Ambris said to me caught my attention immediately and permanently. I had come to Sweden from the desert. I had broken up yet again with another woman, and each time earlier, I mean, these women, I was beginning to have actual connection. with. Not just sexual intimacy, but deeper connection. Exactly. One woman, Margaret, I'll call her in the book. She was interesting. And she loved sex. But we loved bicycling to Sausalito

from San Francisco and taking a ferry back. And she was interesting. I really enjoyed her. And we broke up. And she moved to Vermont. And I went there to see her to try to patch things. up but I couldn't I mean she just didn't want to be involved anymore with a narcissistic someone who was a narcissist who was addicted to sex right and thought he was great but really knew he's very insecure I mean inferior to everyone trying to prove he's not so we broke up and I called in my pain a fellow that I had heard him talk is not name was Robert Johnson. I don't know if he's still alive, but he wrote the books,

he, we, she. He's a Jungian analyst. And he said, why don't you come down here? So I drove to San Diego. He put me up for a few days. And he said, why don't you go to the desert? We have an old woman who lets us use a house there, the Anza Brego Desert. And I did. And I stayed there for, I don't know how long, maybe a couple of weeks, in this little rectangular cinder block house hot and I was so involved in myself I learned my dreams then I learned a lot about myself and I could hardly speak I'd go to buy us groceries at a local store and a girl would say good morning or good afternoon I couldn't talk what up I was so in inside me and then Robert called

and said, I knew it was time to leave the desert. So I called Robert, and he said, well, you can't stay here, I've got guest. This is how Robert speaks. He's not, he doesn't have strong social skills, but he's wonderful. And so I went home to see my parents because I realize it's my dad that I love. I knew I love my mom or needed her. But I wanted to go home and tell him that before he died. So I did.

he didn't understand what I was talking about but I changed I stopped trying to change him and that changed everything you started accepting him yes then I went from there straight to Sweden

because I got the invitation to Sweden before I went to the desert and knew I couldn't go to Sweden I couldn't talk much less get present but now I went to Sweden oh Well, let me tell you about Ambris.

What Ambris told me, the first words he said is, how did you learn to understand your dreams in the desert? Lewis, no one knew I was in the desert. Robert knew I was in a desert, but he didn't know what happened there. Interesting. My parents didn't even know about a desert, and Ambris knew I was in the desert, and what happened to me there. I didn't dismiss him anymore.

This was not a shallow conversation anymore. This was the most meaningful conversation I'd had in my life until that moment. Wow. Given to me by an entity I didn't previously believe could exist. I didn't believe any of that. Wow. It turned out, so at the end, he said, or in the process, he said, a small flame has been ignited in you, but it's little like a candle in a cathedral.

And you've got to keep the flame alive. I said, how do I do that? And he said, you need to talk to people. And I said, but Ambrst this, I can't do that. He said, you don't need to talk to people, you need to want to talk to people. And then he leaned forward and he extended his hands and he said, will you do this? And I leaned forward and he took my hands and they were so strong. Like you were impressed with my strength.

I was impressed with his. This is supposed to be a 3,000-year-old Egyptian with a grip. tight, strong. And he said, will you do this? And I had moments of repetition, of fear. And then I said, yes, I'll do it. And he released my hands. And that was the end of my first session

with a non-physical entity. I went outside the room, and there was a group of people in the hall right outside the door of the room. And I said, and I said, hi. Immediately the universe gave me an opportunity to talk to people. To talk to people, to put into practice what I decided.

Why didn't you want to talk to people? Because I was terrified of them. And it turned out that this was a conference on decision making. Yon told me when I arrived, I'm so glad you're here. All the big companies are here. Saab, Volvo, the telecoms, the banks. And I spoke about quantum physics, that was, along with whatever Edgar talked about and the other two. So that's the prelude to what happened when this woman said,

Would you like to meet my non-physical entity? My only experience in that had been with Ambrus. I met him one more time in Sweden. And I asked him, Ambrus, why do you have to speak to me? through a translator who translates for me to speak in English, couldn't you just talk to me directly?

And he said, yes, I could, but could you hear me? And I knew the answer as soon as I heard the question. So now when my new friend, my to-be fiancé said, what she said, I said, yes, I want to meet your non-physical entity.

His name was Genesis. I spoke with Genesis in the morning. We went to a place that was quiet, a room in a large house, and Genesis also knew about me, seemed to know everything about me. Oh, I said, well, who is your non-physical friend? She said, he says, you can call me Genesis. I said, well, what is Genesis? And she said, he says he's an angel.

So I met Genesis. And Genesis said, how can I help you, Gary? And what I said is, well, I think I have some experiences that I like to understand, and I've had some issues I've picked up along the way. was all very obscure like that what my heart wanted to say was Genesis I can't stop thinking about sex I can't stop looking for sex

I can't stop having sex and I have herpes can you please help me that's what I wanted to say but I couldn't I didn't have the courage or the clarity to and Genesis answered the question in my heart no way way exactly that And he didn't even talk about it.

He said, let us move into healing, shall we? And that was the beginning of 40 years of talking with Genesis. We talked through that morning. He said, the issue for you is not the issue of sexuality. It is the nature of love. And we talked about that. So he had expanded my immediate concerns with my addiction to sex and my herpes to the nature of love,

of unwinded, larger context, richer, deeper. And then before that morning was over, we spoke again that morning, and he said, the issue is more, it is not the nature of love, it's the nature of power. I thought, what has power got to do with love? What has power got to do with my herpes and my sexual addiction?

But he explained what I have been, couldn't understand at the time, but have been sharing for 40 years. There's a difference, there's a, these are issues of power of personal power do you feel powerless is that's why you were chasing the sex or absolutely really but i didn't think in those terms i thought of myself is super cool i was riding a motorcycle a leather jacket doing drugs and the women i was having sex with like notches on my pistol grip no connection with him and no desire to have one

It was different with the one that I finally made a connection with, that went to Vermont. It was different with this one. This was the first real relationship. This one really hurt. How did you feel like you were able to heal after decades of living in sex and drug addiction? How were you finally... I wasn't addicted to drugs. That never happened.

No. I was experimenting and that was a grace, a gift to me. And I never experimented with heavy drugs, heroin. Morphine, no. It was grass. It was marijuana. It was LSD. More than the sex addiction, then. How are you able to heal from feeling powerless to feeling powerful authentically? It's here. It's here. We don't have time to explain it all, but I'll explain a little bit of it. There's a chapter in this book called addiction. And it's about addiction to sex. But it can be addiction to anything. Anything. Yeah. It's the same process.

It started with my friend saying, you've got a problem. She saw my energy leave me when I saw an attractive woman. Wow. It just leapt out of this woman. And she said, you've got a problem and you've got to fix it if we're going to be together. And I thought, no, I don't have a problem.

I just, I'm a loving person when I'm with a woman who wants to make love. We make love. Isn't that how it should happen? and she said, if you want to be with me, fix this. And so I started a process, oh, okay, maybe it's a problem. If it is, it's a little problem. Okay, I've got a little problem.

Okay, it's a big problem all the way up to, my God, I can't stop. I'm out of control. I can't stop. That's when the process began. That's when the work began. That's when the healing began. The work leading. to the other side of this addiction.

I'm not using the word healing because there's nothing that occurs to us or in us that needs healing. It is all given to us for a reason, and that reason is our spiritual growth. The frightened parts of my personality and the frightened parts of yours do not need healing. They're not going to heal.

They're the same. They're always going to hurt physically, and that's emotional. awareness will show you how just like the loving parts are always going to feel blissful and good they're always going to think judgmental and critical thoughts like i don't know how to do this i never will or i know all of this why he's even telling me that or he's so stupid or i'm so stupid these are frightened parts and when you challenge them which is part of creating authentic power it's not to change them it's to become intimately familiar with them it become intimate with them so you know

exactly what you're challenging and challenging doesn't mean heal them it means moving beyond their control consciously this is creating authentic power and i think that's what all of us want is authentic power not being drawn to something else because we feel powerless we're going to go have sex or we're going to go do drugs or we're going to go get sick i felt that exactly but i know now and i'm sharing with you now that it's not i that felt that it were it was frightened parts of my personality parts of my personality your personality is not a single monolithic thing it's got many different parts and they all experience the world differently some of them come from fear some of them come from love.

And creating authentic power requires becoming aware of all of them with emotional awareness and then consciously choosing. Yes. For example, when a frightened part of your personality is active

and you're in pain, that is a time that you can use your will, your volition, to put your attention into a loving part. A time when you were loved and loved, and loving and you knew it and then choose in that moment to act and speak from the loving part while you are experiencing the painful physical sensations and the critical judgmental thoughts

of the frightened part that that is the moment of creating authentic power that's when the rubber meets the road what i'm hearing you say is authentic power is not reacting to your circumstances or to your environment based on how you feel but feeling and knowing and knowing that there is sadness or fear and security in a situation, but rising above it and responding with authentic power in a conscious way, not a scared way. Yes. Functionally, that's exactly right. The way you expressed it is a little more poetic and the actual functioning of it.

I wasn't thinking these things. I just knew, I'm not going to do this anymore, but it wasn't as simple as that. You don't say that to an addiction and it stops. You go through it. You experience the pain under it. The frightened part under it is pain, the pain of powerlessness. What is the pain of powerlessness? Everyone has it.

Five sensory humans, multi-sensory humans. It's the experience of wanting to belong and not belonging. It's wanting to be loved and knowing you're unlovable. It's wanting to love and knowing you're not capable of loving. It's wanting... Wanting to be enough. Yes. At least enough.

Frighted parts want more. They want to be more, much more. It's a bottomless pit of what they want. Admiration, not just sex, money, education, the best equipment to ski on, dreadlocks down to your waist. Whatever it is that impresses and manipulates people, people, they want it. And they have to have it because this is a matter of life and death and away from them. It's very. Look at our president. Look at the people with them. Look at the

extent to which they must have power. The external part, manipulation and control. It's not a, by the way, this is what I'd like to do with my life. They're controlled. They have no ability to say no to this. They do. They do not because they're still in the old consciousness limited to the five senses in which power is exactly that. It serves no purpose to try to confront that with more of the same. You have an amazing quote in The Seed of the Soul about this where you say the remedy for an absence is a presence. Evil is an absence and therefore it can not be healed with an absence by hating evil or one who is engaged in evil. You contribute to the absence of light and not to his presence. Hatred of evil does not diminish evil. It

increases it. And that's a quote from your book, See to the Soul. That's what we're talking about now. Yeah. And so when we see something that is evil in the world or evil in our world through our friends or our family, our community, or politically, whatever might be, when we see something that is evil or is perceived as evil, I'm hearing you say that hatred of evil does not diminish it, it increases it. So when we talk about evil and speaking bad about it, it sounds like it increases hatred in the world. So how do we flip that and bring light to hatred when everything seems to be in chaos. Hatred isn't something you can bring.

Evil isn't something you can bring light to. You are the person who changes yourself. Don't think you're changing evil. That's trying to change the world. That's looking at evil as something that exists outside of you. That's why we have no alternative, but to love our new president. It's as simple as this.

If you lash out against the darkness, you yourself enter the darkness. If you have no compassion, for someone who has no compassion, what's the difference between you and them? It's not easy to do this. It's not easy to create authentic power. Do you have the courage? Do you have the commitment? Do you have the compassion?

Can you communicate consciously and lovingly? compassion is not for cowards do you have the courage to look at your own life and without judging it experience the parts of your personality that are out of your control become intimate with them and challenge them

not because they're wrong but because you intend to move beyond the control of them and as you create authentic power you do not do something good and as you choose not to, you do not do something bad, you change the experiences that you're going to have in your life. It's as simple as that. You don't get rewarded for doing right or punished for doing wrong.

There is no right and wrong, good and bad. These are the dualities in the earth school. The universe looks in terms of cause and effect. And if you participate in a cause, you will participate in the effect. the cause is always intention. Intention is a quality of consciousness. Not the intention to go to Europe, the intention to have a family,

the intention to be a welder. These are goals. An intention is not a goal. Is it the energy behind the goal? Precisely. It's the reason. It's the reason you speak. The reason you act.

Is it coming from love or is it coming from fear? It's not the action that creates the consequences. It's the intention. Look at the golden rule now is the multi-sensory human that you are. It does not do unto others what you would have them do unto you. It is intend toward others

which you want them to intend toward you. That's interesting because you can do unto others nice things but not have it from a nice intentional place. Lewis, this is... Be pleasant, I'm going to give them a gift. I'm going to say,

the right things but if you're feeling negative about this coming from fear if you're feeling resentful or comparing yourself or you're jealous or envious or righteous or judging about them then your intention is out of alignment from your action this is precisely so louis in my opinion this is why your podcast is so wonderful and has so many viewers because it is substantive it is real And you go to the heart of what your guest is offering. And this offering, and what we're talking about now, is the substance of your life. You are dealing with the matter of your life. When you choose to create authentic power, to challenge a frightened part of your personality

that wants to be right, that wants to control, that wants money, sex, love, whatever it is, you are enabling yourself to create. Let me put it this way. A responsible choice is a choice that creates consequences for which you're willing to assume responsibility. So when you use your volition, your free will to choose to act or speak from a loving part of your personality while you're experiencing the frightened part,

you are creating the consequences. that love creates. Wow. They're constructive, healthy, life-giving, life-nurturing, fulfilling, exciting, vitalizing. And when you speak from fear or act from fear, or don't speak from fear, or don't act from fear, you are creating the opposite consequences

in your life that are unhealthy, destructive, contracting, and that lead to emptiness and meaningless and pain. and loneliness that activate other frightened parts of your personality. There's no way that you can please a divinity or anyone else. The universe is not looking at that. It's looking at your spiritual growth. And the Earth School is offering you the opportunity

to learn the most important fundamental in spiritual growth. Choice. Your ability to choose. ability to choose and your responsibility for what that creates. Without that, no further progress is possible. That's how important the earth school is. Right. So how important is it then, or I guess how important is having a meaningful intention when trying to manifest our dreams and being appreciative and grateful of the dreams when we receive them? Because a lot of times we can accomplish the goals but it's still not feel enough oh this is common yeah this is common if you

read biographies of billionaires as not only billionaires who are discontent but you would think from the old consciousness from the perspective of the old consciousness that if they can buy whatever they want whatever woman they want whatever man they want whatever home they want and how many as many as they want that there must be some satisfaction in that But that is not a pinnacle. It is simply an experience. And we have experiences in the Earth school. As long as you are striving for something

to fill an emptiness in you, there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing right or wrong with it. But that itself is the pursuit of external power and it produces only violence and destruction. In your life as well, that's why we're heard to talk about love yes that's why we're alive that's why we have a life in the earth school and I know my life has gotten simple I know that I I don't try to control my life or what's in it I'm not responsible for that I am

responsible for my choices mm-hmm and that that's it that's it so how can someone then get clear on the intention they want to set up for themselves. Say if it's a teenager trying to get into a good school, if it's someone in their 20s trying to get a great career, someone in their 30s trying to get in a great marriage. You're going back to the same question again and again. And I love you for it because you're trying to support people who are most in need of support. Yes. How can they start to, what's the intention of it like? You experiment with your life. You follow your meaning. If you're drawn to read a book like this, or to listen to a podcast like this, listen to it and then follow the counsel that I offered

as a possibility at the beginning of this podcast. If you hear anything that I say or that Lewis says in this podcast or with any of his guests in any of his podcast that resonates with you, experiment with it. Just listen to it. Don't you say that was nice. Ooh, I like that or oh, I don't like that. Experiment with it. Take it into your life.

Apply it. yes and see what it produces and if it doesn't produce what you want keep experimenting keep experimenting you have this quote which says this as well in the seat of the soul which again i want everyone to get this book because if you're feeling confused this is going to give you a lot of clarity to get to start with then we've got universal human which we talk about true authentic power but your quote on this is really interesting in the seat of the soul you say that the decisions that you make and the actions that you take upon the earth are the means by which you evolve.

At each moment, you choose the intentions that will shape your experiences and those things upon which you will focus your attention. These choices affect your evolutionary process. This is so for each person. So you're reinstating this part of the book right now about finding, following the meaning, where you're feeling the meaning, the experiences and experiencing them, looking for counsel along the way to reflect on these things and seeing essentially if you feel like you're out of alignment or you're disconnected or it's dis-ease everywhere in your life then you're going against the mothership of your soul and the goal what i'm hearing you say is that the different personality within you you want to try to align it within the wake of the mothership so you can drop in and ride that wave like you talked about surfing in the beginning and kind of rot like a wake surfer, just ride the boats wake and let it pull you towards

the life you're meant to be living. And it will. Now, for me, this meant an insecurity so deep I couldn't recognize it. It led me to be a paratrooper, a special forces officer. It took me right out of Harvard and put me on a dirt road in Laos called the Ho Chi Minh Trail. I've been to Laos. it's a cool country I mean it's a different world but yeah it's not the geography that makes the place you visit there's an old saying

when you travel with your feet you're a tourist when you travel with your heart your pilgrim I wasn't even a tourist in Laos I was a frightened petrified young man

living boy older boy trying to live up to the image of myself as an officer. You're a man-child, and you were like in a man's body, but you're living like a scared boy. These are psychological terms, poetical terms. It all comes down to your awareness of love or fear. And why I'm saying these things is,

when you don't know, experiment. I experimented. I was compelled to find and have sex, and it didn't satisfy me. It almost cost me later, when I was more aware enough to actually care for someone, it was going to cost me that, caring, that person. I thought that my future was with that person, but it was in more. everyone lives a blessed life don't think that you don't you are a blessing and you're closing the distance between that reality and your self-image and that takes work and commitment and courage that is creating

authentic power and that's what the seat of the soul is about by the way i have a podcast now too i know oh do you yeah i've heard about it yeah yeah it's just uh 20 minutes of me sharing on Mondays. I call it a soul feast. And then on Fridays, there's four or five minutes of from our archives, Linda sharing or some video. I call it a soul snack. So I invite you to snack or feast. And it's about things that you and I are talking about now. This is why I love talking with you, Lewis, because I love talking with everyone about these things. And that's what I do on this podcast. And if you want to hear more about what Lewis and I are talking about, listen to this interview again. And if you want more than that, listen to any one of the 20-minute soul feast

that I... Yeah, and that's at seat of the soul.com slash podcast or anywhere you guys listen to podcast. You can check that out. Great stuff over there. You talked about, I want to ask you about karma, because I've heard you mention this before. For those who maybe are in, again, 20s, 30s, whatever age group you're in, if you feel like you've done bad things in the past, maybe you've hurt people, you've been judgmental of people, or maybe you've physically harmed environments or situations where you feel like, I was a bad person. I did bad things. Maybe in your case, like, let's take out the judgment. I did this. Yes. It's a frightened part of your personality that's saying, that's bad because I could have and should have done good.

Yeah, better. You did what you did. Now, what are the consequences? You're experiencing them. They're coming to you. Every moment in your life is a karmic necessity. It's not random. It's not punishment and it's not reward. You might say, who wrote this life that I'm living now? You did. When you encounter something that you don't like, that you've, or makes you angry or feel,

let me put it this way. Suppose you're in a boat. Imagine you're in a boat. in a river and you're the only one you're guiding this boat and while you're in a river another boat bam slams into your boat and you want to say hey wake up just pull your head out and look at where you are you're not the only one in this river you don't own this river I am in this river too so what are you doing just on and on that's a frightened part of your personality that will just spring into action if you don't have the ability

to create authentic power and challenge it. Now, suppose, same thing happens, but the boat that slams into your boat is drifting. There's no driver. Do you go into the same rant? There's no one there to rant to. No, you just do what you need to to get your boat away from that boat

and get on down the river where you want to go. Well, when you see that every moment is a karmic necessity, there's no one in the other boat. Who are you going to rant? Who you're raving at? Right. You're trying, it's a frightened part of your personality. Trying to find a villain because it's a victim.

You are not a victim. Frightened parts of your personality are. Don't use these powerful words, I am, and put something in back of it or in front of it. Because instead, realize it, realize that you are experiencing frightened and loving parts of your personality. And when you experience your own karma, the very things that you've created, you have a choice.

Those are the choice points. I told you I'm responsible for my choices. You are too. So is everyone who's listening. So when you run into something that you yourself have created, you can, that's a choice. You can react to it with fear. blame someone else? Why was I born with polio?

How come I have a child that needs a heart implant? How come my beloved died? And then you can either react with fear from a frightened part of your personality or with love. Respond with love. Yeah, I've heard Joe Dispenza say that your personality is your personal reality. So if you're living in a frightened personality

constantly, you're going to create a personal reality that is always on edge or frightened or worried. That's what we're talking about. Yeah. Joe's got it. That's right. And if your personality is in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, exactly. If your personality is I'm safe, I'm loved, I'm enough. I'm going to take moment by moment. I'm going to be present. You're going to to create that reality. Here's the thing. Yeah, it's not quite that simple from my perspective. I can say I'm safe, I'm loved, et cetera, all day long and still feel frightened. Yeah. Frightened. To me, the only way to change, yes, the way you hold things, the way you experience something depends upon how you hold it. No two people have the same reality. You create your

experiences of the world with your choices. Now, up to here, we're talking about the same thing. But you're talking about affirmations. Let's see, I'm brave. I'm thin. I'm muscular. I'm an athlete. Everyone loves me. That's a lot like masturbating now that I think about it. It's not going to produce anything that is going to be helpful to you and it's going to drain your energy. And it doesn't involve anyone else. It's all fantasy. When you have the courage and the commitment and the tools, which are in the seat of the

soul, to experience intimately the frightened parts of your personality and challenging them, move beyond their control. When you do, you are cultivating a loving part of your personality.

And love begins to fill more of your field of awareness. Yes. The affirmations, I'm loving, I'm lovable, are not helping you because if you don't have the ability to recognize a frightened part of your personality and challenge it and cultivate a loving part when you do feel loved and loving and you are loved and loving, instead of dismissing it saying, wow, that was a great experience. Three days ago, oh, listen, I had a great, what was it? I can't remember, but it was a great experience. Don't do that. Whenever you're feeling that experience, grace, and it can come as grace, note it. Write it down if you have to do.

This is when it happened on April 8th. I loved everybody. I didn't understand it. Or I saw something about someone I used to hate and I love him now. Or I can't hate him anymore because I know where he's coming from. Cultivate it. Yes. Cultivate it.

And then use that when you need that in the process of challenging a frightened part. When you put your personality, your awareness, your attention into a loving part of your personality, you can use this one. Then you become loving. Affirm all you want. There's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with this or right with that. The point is, what are you creating? what's your experience what is the teaching you about you not about the world yes without judgment

yeah the universe doesn't judge you so why should you well you do anyway it's not you it's the frightened parts so as you're becoming aware of them you can challenge them yes challenge them go back into cultivating the loving part of you the awareness part of you and feel that with love is what i'm hearing you share yes i want to act act not fill that with love act on that love act on that energy the energy of joy the energy of fulfillment the energy of meaning and your life will take you where it needs to take you mine took me into an addiction of sex then to um all the places it's taken me and yours is doing the same Yeah.

Yours is doing the same. So I really appreciate your question. How do you help someone who doesn't yet understand where meaning, that sense, that word meaning comes from? Experiment. Experiment. Yeah. But I didn't even know enough to experiment. All I knew is I wanted sex.

You were just chasing. With women. I wanted sex with women. And I guess this one will work if I'm attracted to her. If she's strong and vibrant and knows who she is. is no attraction. I have no attraction for that. I had no attraction. My frightened part did not. It always sought out the weakest woman in the room, the woman that could be seduced, the woman that needed something to fill the hole inside of herself. That's what a sexual addiction is.

It's as ugly to understand and see as it is to experience, but I didn't experience it that way. But it was the road I was on and it took me where eventually I am now. It was one of the steps. Wow. Well, I mean, speaking of that, you know, you went through decades of having really just intimate partners but not true intimacy with women, right? You had a lot of sex. No, there was no intimacy in the sex. You had sex, but no intimacy or real connection, authentic connection, right?

No connection, period. Authentic, inauthentic. I didn't care. All I wanted was sex. They were genitals to me. And all they wanted was more. That was all my frightened parts wanted. And because I didn't know what I'm sharing with you now, what I learned from Genesis, I thought I wanted that. I thought that's who I was. And so for you out there, it doesn't matter if you're 20 or if you're 83. Allow yourself to experience in you the grace of who you are. that means entertain

what you actually are which is a powerful and creative compassionate and loving spirit incarnate for a limited period of time which now as we become multisensory we realize is only something that exists in the earth school

but since it exists since it's one chapter in a book what are you going to write in that chapter your soul is the book it doesn't have an end and so it's not as though you're reaching for this place that's perfect and when you find it

that's heaven that's the end of it one and done you're always going to evolve there's nothing in the universe that doesn't evolve the universe evolves relax into that relax into your life because there's only one reason

you have for being in the earth scroll, and that's to learn love. Choice? Yes. As your consciousness expands, you find that your intellect cannot contain it, cannot even grasp it. And so there comes a time when it's appropriate to, there comes a time when it's appropriate to experience the cessation of understanding, of meaning, and instead to focus on the giving and sharing of joy. And that's where your consciousness is leading you. With all of your experience of the sex addiction

then transitioning into having a beautiful spiritual relationship with a life partner for decades as well, how did you learn to shift out of the temptation world of pleasure seeking and sex seeking into true intimacy and spiritual partnership with the partner that you've had for so long. Well, no, and still have. Your question brings me back to the one we started to discuss temptation. Because a lot of people are struggling in trying to find a spiritual partner. They want love, they want intimacy, but they struggle in relationship. And I'm curious with all of your experience, how were you able to create that after years of struggling and

finding love and intimacy as well? This is another question. One of them is about temptation and the others. I'm asking you like five and one. Yes. Okay. Well, they're both important because one of them will help understanding and the other is fundamental. Temptation most people think of is an external something caused by an external malevolent entity. In the West, it's called the devil. but whatever you term it and in every most many traditions religious traditions for example christ was tempted um by what we're called demons then you know you can control the world with what you know now you can have any woman you want you can control armies you have the world at your feet, Jesus. Think about that. You have armies, you have banks, you have nations.

And for a moment, that temptation was real. For a moment. And had he chosen that instead of the path of glory that he chose, we would never have heard about him. When Sidhartha waked up under the Bodhi tree, before that happened, same thing. He was tempted. The demons were throwing spears at him, spears at him. Look at that woman. Look at that money. Look at that chariot gilded in gold.

Look at that palace. Sidhartha came from a palace. He was a prince. Said, that's nothing, Sidhartha. You've got all the palaces in the world. Temptation comes from frightened parts of your personality. Every temptation is a dress rehearsal for a negative karmic event. It's not something external to you.

It's the masterpiece of a frightened part of your personality, showing you exactly what it intends to do if you don't intervene. It shows you what it feels like. The satisfaction you're going to get, the pleasure you're going to get, how you're going to carry it off. A dress rehearsal is the last step before production goes public. When you act on the temptation, the doors to the theater open and the public comes in. And this temptation, this energy, this action spills beyond your personal energy sphere and into the energy sphere of others, that is the moment that karma is created.

You can think about it as much as you want, but when you act on it, the action is the choice. I've been saying I'm responsible for my choices. It's not, I think I'll choose that, I think I'll choose this. It's what I do and the intention behind it, that creates karma. That creates my world. That creates my experience of the world. I am a unique expression of the universe, and so are you.

And so is everyone. That's how powerful you are. You are that. You are all that is. There is one, and all is that. That's where our consciousness is leading. And if you resonate with that, even if you think that's impossible, it's nonsense,

that's imagination, that's, if you resonate, if something says, yeah, but, you know, why is it, yeah, but follow that. Don't let a ya butt get in the way of your meaning. And I'm going to feel more and experience more so I can answer better when we talk again. How do you talk to a 20-year-old? Doesn't have to be 20, it can be 30,

can be 45, can be 85. Or just someone looking to create a spiritual relationship with someone, not? That desire will do it. I know when I moved to Mount Chasta, there came a time when I thought, I think I want a partner. And I wrote a list of all the things I wanted in the partner.

And I looked around me and I thought, well, all the women here are my sisters. I'm in a wonderful community. I don't want that. And I thought, well, I think I have to move back to San Francisco. There's got a lot of potential there. But that didn't appeal to me at all. And I forgot about it.

And eight years later, Linda appeared in my life. And as I mentioned, my first reaction was to push her away. Then she moved to Mount Shasta, and I couldn't understand why I was feeling so happy. Now, this is by life. and I know it so well now because I've been writing this book The Endless Song and I relived it

but this time with awareness and compassion for me and when you start to do that too you'll begin to appreciate the power of your life even the moments of powerlessness

of experiencing the pain of powerlessness and reaching out in any way you could to mask the pain, to cease the pain, to get around the pain, and that's the pursuit of external power. That's what produces only violence and destruction now. But we are multi-sensory.

So you're assuming a 20-year-old, a 40-year-old, that's still five-sensary. They want to understand any of this, and they'll dismiss it. But they will give you opportunities as they dismiss you. to create authentic power. Are you going to judge them for doing that? Are you going to try to convince them that they're wrong? Or are you going to challenge those parts of yourself?

And choose instead to respond with love instead of act with fear. What are you going to do when you see a politician wielding power in a way that's purely destructive? And you know it. Are you going to hate him? Are you going to try and change him? You're going to get more votes and get him out of office? you are pursuing external power

and you know what it's going to do it's going to produce violence and destruction personal between people physical between nations are you going to participate in that dynamic or are you going to bring an entirely new dynamic into the world not just into your personal reality

in the old consciousness there is an uncrosser barrier between in here and out there and from that perspective it is ridiculous ludicrous to think that you can change the world by changing yourself that barrier is not a part of the new consciousness and from the new consciousness it's clear there's no other way you can change the world than to change yourself Gandhi knew that Christ knew that Martin Luther King Jr. knew that and now you know that what are you going to do with it

that's where the courage and the commitment and the compassion and the conscious creation of authentic power you can't create it unconsciously every unconscious intention comes from fear the intention of love requires conscious choice there's something I want to add to this that you talk about in the seat of the soul this is a quote from you that says if you cannot love yourself

you cannot love others and you cannot stand to see others loved yes which I think it's really powerful because most people don't know how to love themselves because we don't feel like we belong like you mentioned. We feel like we don't enough. We're not lovable.

And when we see others loved, we can't stand that if we don't love ourselves. It's a frightened part of your personality that can't tolerate that. So how do we learn to love ourselves? Here's what you do when you run into someone that you don't like and you don't know why he just don't like him or her make a list detailed of everything you don't like about that person well he's self-centered he

didn't think about anybody but himself first of all he's sort of dumb secondly he doesn't know what he's talking about third he's always talking I mean make the list and make it detailed what you exactly do not like about that person then spend time going through the list and look for each of those things in yourself and when you find them and you will your heart will melt

you won't hate him you won't push him away because now you understand him now you have experienced what he's experiencing from the inside out that's compassion that is compassion especially when someone you really don't like or who has really hurt you in the past

or done you wrong or taken advantage of you it's like learning how to have compassion not meaning you have to be that person's best friend or even have them in your life but how can you have compassion for someone you truly despise that's another level of authentic now you're twisted the part is twisted the words

it's only a frightened part of your personality that despises, that is repelled and attracted to. So it is valid to say, how do you love someone you hate? This is what we're talking about. This is your job. My friend Ram Dass once said, I intend that my life be a statement of love and compassion and where it's not.

Paralyze my work. Wow. Yeah, that's tough. It's beautiful. It's powerful. It's not tough. It is power. Powerful, but that's pure power.

That it's powerful to live into that, but that's... You don't live into it, you choose it. Yeah. You choose it. You don't lean into it, live into it, stumble over it, find it, get rewarded to it. You choose it. We learn in this earth school about love, not love that we find, stumble over, get given, love that we choose. Wow.

Even when you don't want to choose it. Even when a frightened part of your personality doesn't want to choose it. If you don't want to choose it, you don't. The frightened part of your personality never does. Now, what do you choose? What is the authentic power choose? Authentic power is becoming the authority in your life. What do you choose?

When I went through the process of moving through my addiction to sex, there were a lot of things that occurred to me, experiences. One was, can I create a temptation that's more than I can resist? And the answer is yes. That would be my way of unconsciously giving myself giving myself permission to behave unconsciously. I can create a temptation that I can't resist. And then there came a time at the very center,

the very center of this journey, the middle of it, the difference between going in and going out, the epicenter, where it all happens and it all is. And I realized it's all up to me. I looked around me in my apartment. There's no one there. Am I going to stop this behavior or not? If I don't, they'll be learning, more learning in that path, and the universe will not judge

me. And if I do, I'll be on another path, and they'll be learning on that path, and the universe is not going to judge me. And there's nothing in me, nothing that was leaning me in the slightest in one direction or the other. The power was entirely in my hands. It was terrifying. That's the moment that returns, if you're aware,

I can and again, the power is in your hands. Are you going to choose to react from a frightened part of your personality or respond from a loving part? No one can do it for you. No one wants to do it for you, and anyone who does is trying to manipulate you and control you. It's yours to choose. It's why you were born.

That's the ultimate courage to choose that. It's the new use of courage. Yes, I had courage. I always had courage. I could jump out of planes. I could parachute, I can go on a night equipment jump. That took courage, raw courage. But it was only courage to have people in my,

using it to have people admire me. Say, yeah, what a guy. this is the new use of courage this is like your soul's courage it's your courage you're choosing to align your personality in that moment with your soul

that's where we started this is authentic power the alignment of your personality with your soul your soul intends harmony cooperation sharing and reverence for life look at the people the five sensory people

who are creeding a government now. Instead of harmony, they're choosing discord, competition, hoarding, exploitation. The contrast is graphic. The characteristics of an authentically powerful personality or humbleness, clarity, forgiveness, and love. Look at the person who is leading our country.

you're only seeing the frightened parts of his personality and they are vain confused about the difference between what's good for it and what's good for others unforgiving

and vengeful that is not he those are frightened parts of his personality and when we see that it's easy to love him That's interesting.

Gandhi saw that. He was taken from a British prison on instruction from London to the Viceroy's palace. The Viceroy said, Bring me Gandhi. The Viceroy was the one who ordered the beatings,

the exploitation, driving into starvation. An entire population so that a few autocrats could go on tiger hunts and safaris in Africa and live in multiple estates. But Gandhi never confused his intention to challenge those policies with his relationship with people. When he arrived in the palace in these dirty prison clothes, the first thing he said was, It touches me so much.

Because I'm still striving for that. When I am that, it won't bring tears. He said, Your Excellency, I know I have done things that have been irritants to you, but I hope that will not stand between us as men. That's the way we can relate to everyone on the Earth, in the Earth school, including those who are still five sensory.

yeah you talk about the five sensory in here as well in the seat of the soul you have beautiful kind of diagram talking about this i was just saw it here a second ago from from five sensory human to multi-sensory human from single object of detection to uses five senses and aware of non-physical reality uh which is a lot of different detail in here on page 250 of seat of the soul that i want people to dive in more if you're not understanding this fully it'll give you more explanation I've got a couple final questions for you Gary. This has been really powerful and we'll have to do another longer episode as well in the future. We're almost in two hours now and again, we said before we could go for three, four, five hours because we're just getting started. But we could go for days because Lewis, your life is this. You're not inviting guests and sort of saying, well, what do you think? What do you think? You are, you are, I'm beginning to appreciate the effort that goes into the school of greatness.

Thank you. It's not simply showing up twice a week to interview guests. I'm seeing in your interview with me what you're doing between those times. You're reading what those guests are saying, and you're doing more than reading. You're really thinking about them and seeing how you can integrate them. into a framework that you can present that will support. And in some cases, like mine, I think, you just let it be.

I said, listen to this. And in other cases, you think you can perhaps be more supportive to your listeners. And I'm guessing, I don't know what you're going to do with our conversation, but I do know that I love you. And I know that I love the people who are listening to us, and that's my intention. is to share with love, to be with love,

to speak with love, to sleep with love. And eventually, that's not an affirmation, to be love. And that's not an accomplishment. It's a realization of what I am and what you are. That's not the goal. You are already there. It's only your awareness that's expanding. As you become more loving, you don't add more loving.

you don't add more love to the universe. That's meaningless. The universe is love. But you change your awareness. And as you do, you become more and more Godlike, you might say. And then you become God. This is the new consciousness.

And that's a step in the evolution that billions of souls are taking. But we're... words simply don't travel even up to this place but i hope i pick some that have been helpful yeah very helpful and i want people to get i've got a couple final questions for you but i want people to get the book universal human which is about creating authentic power and the new consciousness but obviously start with the seat of the soul if you haven't if this is kind of one your first time coming to the school of greatness and you want to learn more about this stuff get this book

first dive into it your uh you call your beloved linda you were together your spiritual partner you're together for 27 27 years you had a beautiful letter that you wrote about her when she uh i guess when her soul went home so went home returned to non-physical reality over the last couple of years ago um what was the greatest what is the greatest lesson she has taught you since her soul has returned home well i've had two pivotal moments that changed me. One was Linda coming into my life when I had that feeling of happy. And a new experience in my life of loving, loving Linda.

I didn't know that could happen. I never loved anybody, but I love loving Linda. And this continued. And we had power struggles sometimes, but I don't think more than five or six in 27 years. But it would never question other than she wasn't my partner. I love her completely. And I know she loved me completely. And that was never a question. And it isn't now.

The second point was when her soul went home. When I came home from the hospital, and Linda didn't. And I was there alone and the pain began. And I didn't think I could live through that And I didn't want to. I asked for death. Oh, man. But that wasn't given to me. I remember saying, oh, I'm going to die anyway. Make it now. Please. The next morning, I was sitting by a pool watching some trees sway in the wind. And I realized something about myself. I don't have a reason for a living now, except to love people. And that's permanent.

And those changes have been, of that magnitude, have been happening since then. So on another show, we can go into a show just about that. Because most people have a reaction like I used to have when someone say, My wife died, my child died, and said, oh, I'm so sorry, I'm sorry for your loss. I say now, we can celebrate her life with me. Because this is the return home of a soul. And it's led to such interesting experiences, Lewis. I want to share them with you, and I want to share them with our audience.

And I have, by the way. You can go to some of them, but, I mean, I can bring us up to date. Yeah, yeah. Like a, you go to the seat of the soul and in the menu there's somewhere called a celebration of Linda. We decided, we have a support team who are my spiritual partners too.

We come together in the spring and in the fall. We're coming together in a couple of weeks, in fact, in Ashland. And Linda's just passed on and we were all in shock and jolted and we were laughing and crying and we decided to make a video to celebrate her life. And we did. So I know just the place to make it.

And we made it. And afterwards, we all went out to eat. There were about 20 of us. So we went to this restaurant. It is a nice restaurant. And after everyone ordered, the server came up and said, would you like this on one tab, or would you like separate tabs?

And I said separate tabs. I always did that, because I was always stingy with money. And I couldn't let that go. I had to run after her and said, no, I changed my mind. Put it on one tab and give it to me. And I wanted to do that. No second agenda. I wanted to do that.

And the next morning, the thought came to me. I'm generous and I am I mean and every time these things happen every time anything happens I say thank you beloved thank you I often a frightened part of my personality will often want to go back and be with Linda in the earth school and be the way I am now so I could love her more clearly and support her better but I can't because I am the way I am now because her soul went home but she's here she's here and it was very confusing at first because i know she's here but i miss her and then this continued until not too long ago when linda came to me once and oh the intimacy was amazing well genesis has told me gary you're going to experience

intimacy with Linda, even more than you experienced when you were in the earth school with her, which I could not have imagined because it was so good, so complete, so easy, so wonderful, so no words, complete. I would tell her, beloved, I love you completely. There's no other way. I can't love you more. I can't love you less. And I thought that was so intimate, so good. But when she came to me a month or so ago, that was intimacy that I could never have a measure. Could exist in the universe. And I learned something also, even before then.

The love that people experience in the universe between themselves. For example, your love for Matita is a training exercise for the love of the universe that you will experience when you go home. Wow. Oh, it's a joy talking with you, Lowe. This is beautiful. This is beautiful, and I want people to get more.

Again, start with the book, The Seed of the Soul, or you can start with your podcast, cedosol.com slash podcast for these kind of 20-minute bite-sized soul snacks, I think you called that. You can see it on YouTube and the website on video and everywhere else on audio, all those other people.

places. Well, Gary, I want to acknowledge you for the human you are and the person you continue to choose to create to be, which is compassionate, loving, courageous, giving, present, connected, and a generous human being. And I'm just really grateful for your time, your energy, your presence, your wisdom, your lessons, you're correcting of me when I forget to use the part of me that is frightened saying, and I'm just so grateful for your time. I think this is going to really inspire and help a lot of people that watch and listen. And I want people to dive in deeper on your work because I think it is so powerful in how we can reflect on the parts of us that are afraid or insecure or unlovable or the parts of us that feel those things and how we can

start to choose a different path moving forward. Thank you. Into alignment, into harmony, into harmony, into peace. Yes. Thank you. And it's not my work. This comes straight from an angel. Well, you packaging the information and putting it out there. Yes, it's my pack. It's my wrapping. You're wrapping it and putting it on text and sharing it is helpful. We all need information that we can understand because all this information is coming through us in some ways, but how we can communicate it effectively so others can understand. Thank you. That, that, that, that that is important yes this is my gift yeah this is who i am expressing my contact with the angelic room um and so many people around us now are expressing the same insights the same

openness the same transformations but they're doing it in terms that are meaningful to them and that are expressing the uniqueness of their lives yes yeah and that's that's the new consciousness you're doing amazing i have one one final question for you um i asked you this last time so i'm going to ask it in a little bit different way if you could go as far out in the future as possible to the last day you get to live as long as you want to live but it's the last day for you what's the piece of advice your future self would give your current self on how to live the most beautiful time for as much time as you can live left

that sentence is that question is framed in a way that doesn't touch it I know what do you think the wiser self the last there isn't a wiser self of me in the future there's now this is it

you're talking to him you're talking to this soul and at the last moment whatever that means it's going to be now and it will still be talking and my experiences will still be who I am and so we are experiences your perceptions will be who you are and my perceptions will be who I am and it's going to be now I mean the future does not exist now exist whatever could that's a great answer I'll take it I'll take it Kerry thank you so much for being here I appreciate you

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