The School of Greatness - Top WWE SUPERSTAR: “This ADVICE From THE ROCK CHANGED My LIFE” - OVERCOME ANYTHING | Becky Lynch

Episode Date: March 27, 2024

Hi I’m Lewis Howes and in this episode of The School of Greatness, I'm joined by WWE Superstar Becky Lynch! Today, Becky reveals her journey from career uncertainty to becoming a wrestling legend. She gets real about the struggles and triumphs of her career, balancing motherhood with being a top athlete, and discusses her unique relationship with WWE Superstar Seth Rollins. Buy her book for yourself and a friend! Becky Lynch: The Man: Not Your Average Average GirlIn this episode you will learnhow to build confidence during times of self-doubt and face challenges from a young age.about the journey of self-discovery and transitioning from trying to fit industry expectations to embracing your true self.when to begin valuing yourself beyond your appearance and the impact it can have on your life.about the challenges and strategies of returning to a passion or career after pursuing a different path.about identifying and embracing pivotal moments in your career that signal you are truly "making it" in your field.For more information go to www.lewishowes.com/1594For more Greatness text PODCAST to [phone]More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Eckhart Tolle – https://link.chtbl.com/1463-podRhonda Byrne – https://link.chtbl.com/1525-podJohn Maxwell – https://link.chtbl.com/1501-pod

Hey, Lewis Howes here, and in this episode of the School of Greatness, I'm joined by WWE superstar Becky Lynch. Today, Becky reveals her journey from career uncertainty to becoming a wrestling legend. She gets real about the struggles and triumphs of her career, balancing motherhood with being a top world athlete, and discusses her unique relationship with WWE superstar Seth Rollins. Now let's dive in. woman to win a WrestleMania main event and she became a Triple Crown Champion. The man is back on top. I completely destroyed myself.

I had this then sense of ego, like look at how disciplined I can be. I am so much better than everybody because I have this discipline. But ultimately, I was dying on the inside. Then I got on TV, one of the worst debuts of all time. Really? And so I failed ethically, publicly. On TV? On TV. But hey, if you can come back from that, you can come back from anything.

Let's go. There is such a level of trust in what we do, and I think I broke that trust for several people and then it just didn't feel good. It just didn't sit right with who Rebecca Quinn is. The Rock, he... What was the thing he said to you, maybe behind the scenes, backstage, that no one else got to really experience, but he said to you that impacted you?

One of the things that he said to me, even saying it now, just makes me feel... That'll get me. Yeah, so... Welcome back, everyone, to the School of Greatness. Very excited about our guest. We have the inspiring, the man, Becky Lynch in the house. Rebecca, good to see you.

Welcome. Thank you for having me. Very excited about you being here, and big congrats on all your success. I love your story because you were not an athlete growing up, really. I think I even saw you were a flight attendant for a little while. You dropped out of college. You failed PE in high school. And yet in 2019, you were named one of the top female athletes in the world,

which is really cool. You're a WWE superstar and you are the man. And I'm just so glad that you're here because I got to connect for a few minutes beforehand. And I love seeing people like you with a good attitude good energy and a good heart win. Oh thank you. So congrats on everything one thing I wanted to ask you many things but one of the things is around your belief in yourself you came from Ireland you got into wrestling at an early age but it sounds like you have a lot of challenges like you were into a little bit of drugs a little bit of alcohol you

were kind of like whatever was school but eventually you got things in order and you became very disciplined at your craft and very focused on your dream. How did you learn to build confidence during a time of maybe not feeling that confident growing up? Gosh, I think that's the thing, is that you don't get confidence by thinking about having confidence. You get confidence by action. And I never had confidence before I started wrestling. And I think that's why I was always trying to fit in with the kids that were drinking and that would make me cool.

And then I'd be smoking and it would take the edge off from the self-consciousness and everything that was going on at home at the time. the edge off from the self-consciousness and everything that was going on at home at the time. And then when I was 15 and I just failed PE, I was getting ready for my junior cert, which is, I'm not sure what the equivalent is over here, but when you're 15, you're doing these exams in school. That at the time, they make it seem like if you fail these, your life is over. Really? But yeah, all the pressure that they put on you in school this will determine the rest of your life exactly where you go to school and college and everything else yeah and that's how and that's what what i felt like and

at the time even though i was a little degenerate and i i wasn't doing good in school and i was drinking and i was smoking I was doing everything that I shouldn't be doing like I still had ambition I still wanted to do something good in my life I still wanted to be a lawyer or something productive in society and I realized on one random Monday when I wanted a beer that at 15 that I needed to turn my life around I needed to do something different that I couldn't I I couldn't keep going down this pathway of failing PE and just not applying myself to anything and so I started looking up like different kickboxing things because gyms weren't the thing in Ireland back then there was like two or something

you know there was there was there was this big gym but it was too preppy it was too preppy and I was an alternative kid you know the ones with the black lipstick and the dog collars and all that kind of stuff and uh and so I you know going to a gym just seemed too mainstream for me, too Jane Fonda for me. And so then one day I go into the computer room because in 2002 everybody had a computer room and my brother's looking up this website and it was called Hammerlock and it was this wrestling school over in the UK and I was like, what are you doing there?

And he was like, well, I was thinking about training as a wrestler. Instantly I had this jealousy this feeling of I need to do that and I was like are you going to go over there and he was like yeah yeah yeah

and I was like there's no way there's no way my mom is going to let me go over to the UK to train 15 I'm also a degenerate.

Like she's aware, she's aware that I'm going off the rails. And then the promoter there wrote back to him to let him know that there was two Irish lads that were going to be opening a school like an hour away from us on the train. And so that's how I found out about it. And he told me that. And I was like, oh, I want to go too.

He was like, no, you're not going. You have to me that. And I was like, oh, I want to go too. He was like, no, you're not going. You have to be 16. And I was like, I'll lie. And he was like, no. I don't want to have to look after my little sister. I was like, you won't have to. Lying. And I went down there and I started.

And that was it. All of a sudden, for the first time in my life i wanted to apply myself to something i wanted to get better at something i saw progress in in each training session and that built confidence because not only was i applying myself and getting better at something and seeing results, but I also now had this community. And I think there was also this feeling of like, I'm different, which, you know, I always felt a little different. You know, I wasn't a cool kid, even though I tried to be. But now I had this confidence in my

difference you know and I was the only girl there too I was the only girl in a group of lads and I was hanging with them or maybe not but I was there I felt like I was and so that gave me confidence that I could do this and I could set myself apart and and there was something more to me and that I could do this and I could set myself apart and and and there was something more to me and then I just continued on there I never thought or not that I never thought maybe I had like this this suppressed dream but I still thought I was going to be a lawyer and do something realistic really until I was like 17 and it was the first time I had played the heel role, the bad guy role. And I was teaming with my brother.

And when you're a heel, when you're the bad, you can do no wrong because you can just have fun. You can taunt the crowd. You can be an idiot. And that's your job. Yes. There's such freedom in that. There's such freedom in that there's such freedom in that and i came back and i was this is this is this is what i need to do this is what i'm meant to do this

what i'm going to do at 17 at 17 and then by 18 dropped out of college moved over to canada wrestled around canada around amer, around Japan, around Europe. My visa ran out from Canada. I had to move back in with my mom and my mom, God bless her, like she's only ever wanted the best for me. And the best in her eyes was not being a wrestler, especially back then, because what I wanted and what I visualized for myself was was me being seen on par as The Rock as Stone Cold Steve Austin as Mick Foley as all these lads that I looked up to but if you watch TV and you watched how the women were booked there was lots of brown panties matches there was mud wrestling matches that wasn't anything I wanted to do. That was certainly nothing my mother wanted me to do.

And so... There wasn't opportunities for women to really be stars back then when you started. Not in the way that I wanted to be. Not in the way that I wanted to be. And so I started looking at the women's promotions in Japan. And then I went over there and i wrestled in japan and uh i got assigned to this advertising agency over there that wanted to promote me as this big time wrestler but then when i came home and i had to live with my mom again she's gone what's your

plan what's your plan what's your plan what's your plan what's your plan because she always wanted a plan but with wrestling and i suppose any artistic endeavor i genuinely think wrestling is an artistic endeavor um you can't necessarily plan that why not why can't you plan it you can have a rough plan but so much is out of your control you know you can work towards what you want when you you can't decide when you're when you're going to get on somebody's radar what they're going to be looking for you know i think it's the same with, say, for example, an actor. An actor can do the best audition of their life, but they might have brown hair and the person is looking for blonde hair.

And so they see this great audition, but that's not what they were looking for on that day. And so I started to believe that if I looked a certain way, that that would give me, that that was my plan. Really? That is how I would get there because all these women looked like figure competitors and they were beautiful models

and, you know, it was a regular average looking girl with a bit of a pair of biceps on me and decent set of shoulders but like at the time you know there was there was enhancements that were standardly involved in the hiring process and uh i didn't have them nor did i want to get them and uh and and so i thought well if if i have abs and if i'm ripped then if i look in this way then they'll want me and so i kind of compare it to the uh survivor song you know the eye of the tiger and you you change your passion for glory because then my my focus shifted from just how I looked and how that would make, if I change how I am, to make them want me as opposed to being true to myself. Interesting.

And them wanting you for who you are. For who I am. So how long did you transform into someone you think they would want? How long was that process for well it didn't last very long because I completely destroyed myself so I started I I I started bodybuilding then I like was like oh let me sign up for this bodybuilding competition and if I can do well in this bodybuilding competition then they'll see that just the logic that goes through my head they'll see that and then they'll be like oh yeah let's sign her like she'll be on a magazine or something and we'll sign her that way

interesting how old were you then 19 okay i was 19 then and uh i mean maybe it would have worked if i committed to but anyway the point was i didn't know what I was doing. I was with this lad who had never trained a girl before. He was a bodybuilder himself, but he was a giant man. And a giant, giant man. And who had done many competitions. And he was training me

and then my diet was all over the place. And then he put me onto this other guy who gave me this other diet, which then I just became a masiat. And I was trying to wrestle around Japan and all this other diet which then I just became a masiat and I was trying to wrestle around Japan and all this stuff my body was just hurting but like I was loving how I looked in the mirror because I had these abs and I was like disciplined and my focus was what I was going

to eat and how I was going to train and like I had this then sense of ego like like look at how disciplined I can be I am so much better than everybody because I have this discipline. But ultimately, I was dying on the inside because I had no energy. My moods were all over the place. I was like leering at cookbooks of what I was going to eat when this diet finished. when this diet finished. And ultimately I ended up not being able to make it past 10 weeks of this diet. There was two more weeks till the competition.

I just, the guy who was trying to me suggested a cheat meal and that was it. Then I just went completely off the rails and couldn't get back on. And then that then became an unhealthy relationship with food for years. Really? Years and years and years, completely destroyed how I looked at myself and everything like that and how I valued myself.

How did you value yourself then? On how i looked suddenly like from somebody who had gone from valuing myself on my substance and what i brought to the table uh in terms of wrestling and my craft i was then just now i was just conforming to what I thought they wanted and what society wanted. But by then, then I was like, I don't even know if I want to wrestle anymore. Maybe that dream is over. It's time to be realistic and get a real job. Then I ended up being a flight attendant.

So you were wrestling. You were pursuing professional wrestling, I guess, at the time. Yeah. Then you quit to be a flight attendant then well then i was like well then i then i started thinking like oh well maybe i'll be a fitness model because that'll be easy on my body and but i couldn't maintain it because i was so hungry i just loved eating like i loved eating so much and And so then I became bulimic and all of these things. And it was really just going from being somebody who cared about their mind,

who thought their mind was powerful, to just thinking that I was a set of abs and a pair of arms, you know? And that was where I put my focus. It took a long time to shake that. How old were you when you shook it? 35. Wow. No, no, no, not quite. But, like, I think it was a process.

It was a process. It was a process. It was a process. Because I was a flight attendant, hated it, but was still trying. I then did the bodybuilding competition. I came third, by the way. Wow. Out of four. Four entries.

Yeah, yeah, it sounded impressive. So I did the bodybuilding competition, was like standing up on stage. Oh my goodness, I'm so glad they just, everybody didn't have an iPhone back then. But I did that and I was just like, why am I standing in my underwear showing people my muscles?

Like this doesn't feel like me, you know? Because for some people, for some bodybuilders it's such an artistic thing they are sculpting their body they are they love it they love the discipline of it but for me it was it was some sort of a means to an end some sort of way for me to be validated by society or something that that and it just didn't feel authentic and and and true to me it just felt like i was yeah i was just trying to be something that i wasn't it was just consumed by by my body will be my vessel too wow but if if it looks a certain way then then i'll be successful and whatever and then I I then I started to realize

that like the part of wrestling that I loved it wasn't just the training it was the performance I loved the performance I loved the crowd I loved the creativity I loved the storytelling and I think throughout my whole life I found that storytelling is what draws me more than anything like in school I was terrible at every subject except English and history because it was just stories like it was it was hearing stories and and learning about these stories and I rocked at those subjects terrible at everything and um and and and and so so then I went back to school to study acting. Is this in London now?

This is in Dublin. Oh, so I'm in Dublin. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm kind of all over the place. But like at 22, I went back to college, studied acting in Dublin and then did a year in Chicago.

Wow. And that felt like, okay, now I'm back. now I'm back a little bit and then it it it it seemed more like I was part of a creative endeavor than really when you're doing the acting yes yeah when did you get back into to wrestling then so it's funny because throughout this whole time this whole time I'm just going oh but but I felt like this was my purpose. And I gave up on it, but I can't go back. And my mom doesn't want me to go back.

And how am I going to go back? Because I've burnt bridges. And I don't even know if I can do it. And then I had this ego of like, I was good then. And now I'll have to go back to training. And what if I suck? And all of these things. And I would constantly try and then back off and I would dip my toe in and back off and I was I just couldn't let it go I could not let it go

it would never leave me and sometimes I would be like okay I'm done I'm done and like do you did you see the wrestler the movie with um with Mickey Rourke it was incredible incredible yeah incredible so sad so sad so sad and I remember seeing that and being like see this is why I left it this is why it's so sad it's such it's such a sad business. That would be me, you know? This old star that's now trying to figure out his life and working at a deli or something, right? Yeah. I was like, ah, I did the right thing leaving. And then, you know, I would see something.

I'm like, oh, God, I should have been there. You know, or like I had friends in it that were still doing it. Really? And I tried to distance myself from it. But there was always a pull. And I've kept journals my whole life. And like if I just go back and read it, it's just there's always like a wrestling pull, wrestling pull, wrestling pull. And I just never, I never, I didn't know how I would get back there.

And that's why I say, you know, sometimes you can't plan. Or you can plan, you can try and force things. But sometimes timing of the universe or whatever you want to put it up to is wild. It's just wild. Because when I finished my acting degree and I was trying to get acting work in Ireland, I ended up getting stunt work on the Vikings, the TV show. And I was like, I don't have a clue what I'm doing. So they were like, you can come down and do a stint. And I was like, yeah, I'll do it. I got to figure something out. So I went down

to a wrestling school and it was the guy that was teaching the wrestling school Joe that said would you think about going for a WWE tryout because I think you'd get it yeah that was it he had just gotten accepted him and his girlfriend at the time Rachel who was

one of my best friends they had both gotten accepted to WWE and he suggested me going, even though at this time I had decided I was going to move back to New York. I lived in New York briefly in between my first and second year of college. I was going to move back there.

I was going to pursue, you know, acting, trying to get into more theatre. And when he said that, it was just like, this is it. It was just this pull. It this instinct you know after feeling like I was forcing everything for so many years I was like this it but but the thing is is if if I had gotten signed when I was 19 when I wanted to I wouldn't have ended up where I am now you know like I would have been mouthy I wouldn't have ended up where I am now.

You know, like I would have been mouthy. I wouldn't have understood life. I would have had this ego. I would have messed everything up, probably burnt more bridges. And then I just would have been, who knows what would have happened. But all of these other things that were happening as I was trying to figure out life and I was getting all this experience helped so much. But then I ended up

in the perfect place at the perfect time with the perfect people and with this drive to change things and change how the women were booked. And all of a sudden, what I wanted to do back then didn't seem so crazy now.

For a few years, it still seemed a little crazy. But then we got there. We got there. We got there and we're still getting there. So you do this scene as like a stunt person for the TV show. Yeah. And they're like, okay, let's put you through some training to be able to do the stunt training, right? Yeah.

And brings you back to kind of like the wrestling roots. Yeah. And he's like, oh, I think you can make this, I guess this is a school for the WWE? Is it like a tryout? So you go for a tryout, and then if you get that tryout, they'll give you a contract to NXT, which is the developmental brand. And then you can go and learn to be a WWE superstar. So he said, do the tryout.

I think you'll make it and go into kind of the underground, the up and coming. And as soon as he said it, I was like, oh, yeah. And what happened? Oh, yeah. Got it. The tryout, you got it. I got it. But like I went in there with this mindset of there is no way they will not want me.

Why? There is no way they will not want me. Wow. There is no way. Look at my experience. I'm like a full-trained actor, but I've also had this experience of main eventing in Japan. Wow. I'm a stunt woman. And I was like, there's no way. How would they not want me?

I've done a bodybuilding competition. Right, right, right. I've amassed all of this wacky experience. Interesting. To where I was like super confident. There is no way that these people are refusing me a contract. And then I was also like, I will die before I quit. Wow.

Because they put you through all these drills, which. And a lot of people quit. Yeah. Yeah, they gave up. How many people came in when you were there? Or how many people were there when you were there? How many people were there when you were there versus, I guess, a few years later? So there was a triad. Well, the triad, there was 30 people.

Two people got offered a contract. And then how many people? When I started, I was the first class of this brand new performance center that they had opened in Orlando. What year is this? This is 2013. Okay. And like, yeah, I remember my first day and they were like, look to the person left and look to the person right because they're not going to make it. One of you isn't going to make it.

You know, it was the likelihood is only one of you are going to make it. Of course, many, many of to make it of course many many of us made it um many many of us made it and some have come and gone over the over the years but uh yeah i was like oh i don't know that i'm gonna make it really well no like uh outwardly outwardly i could be like i could see why why i wouldn't make it but there was still this i was so scared of not making and i was so scared of failing i was so scared of failing but there was just this little voice of like this is what you're meant to do you will main event wrestling and with absolutely no reason to believe it, by the way, it was terrible.

Like when I came back, I was so mind... Can I curse on you? Sure. That I was so insecure because now I was with, by the most beautiful women I'd ever seen, these giant behemoths of men that just looked like superstars. And then there was me, the perfectly average girl from Dublin, who just felt like she had something.

Felt like I had something. I feel like I have something to offer. Something in here, you know? How many people were there? How many men and women were at this first day? Gosh, I think there was like, maybe 10 women. And like 50 dudes or something like that yeah yeah we were really outnumbered back then wow really outnumbered back then but uh yeah yeah yeah i was like oh yeah yeah

no no how did you not lose your confidence going oh i did you did oh completely lost gone as soon as i walked in that building woof gone gone it, gone. It was gone. Anything that I had in the tryout was completely gone and just continued to just be dwindled away as I went through the first few months into, I would say, the first year. The first year. And it wasn't until I had this breakdown. And I remember crying from the depths of my soul to my friend Frenchie uh it was April it was April 2014 and I I just felt like I was doing everything I could to become better but I wasn't like I wasn't becoming better like I was just in my own way and I remember another one of my friends his wrestling name was Aidan English and I'd actually gone to college with him in Chicago randomly acting colleges wrestling's a little village you know you just meet people

pop up and uh like I remember him saying yeah sometimes you have a bad day maybe you'll have a bad week but nobody has a bad month i was like buddy i've had a bad seven months like i'm i'm screwed and uh but i remember just thinking like i'm not a bad person like i'm i suck right now but but I love this. And at least I'm not a bad person. And for some weird reason, that gave me a bit more confidence. I don't know why. I don't know why. I think because maybe there's this old thought of wrestling or maybe any sport or endeavor that's competitive where you kind of have to be cutthroat

and i hate that i don't like that especially in something like wrestling where you're not doing it on your own you're not making history on your own everything is is a team effort yes you want to be the best. But like Rising Tides and all that jazz. And you got to, everything's a collaboration. Everything's a collaboration. Even when you're competing, you're collaborating. Yeah.

But I wasn't going to be able to change the trajectory of women's wrestling by myself. I needed a group of women, which I was there with, who all had the same goal. It was myself, Sther charlotte and bailey and we all and and page and emma and and other girls that were there and we all wanted this this this different uh future for the sport and uh and we're all working together but but there was this this feeling of okay i'm not willing to cut anybody's throat to get on top. That made me feel like, okay, all right. Well, maybe that mentality will help me. And I don't need to be the biggest name in the business.

I just need to do this. I just need to make a living out of it. I just need to be able to tell stories. Interesting. Wrestle. In that first year, I guess, from, you know, you said you had this breakdown in April 2014. That was 10 years ago. Oh my goodness.

Isn't that crazy? A decade ago. Next month will be a decade. Where did you feel like you were not connecting with in that first year? Was it the story aspect? The athlete aspect? In-ring. In-ring. Gotcha. In-ring.

The story part was what helped me. That's what saved my job. That's what kept you in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because Dusty Rhodes was the promo teacher at the time. And Dusty loved his broken toys. The ones that were rough around the edges but he saw that had some soul

or something about them. Just a little something, just a spark. And he tried to bring that out. And so I didn't know. I didn't know who I wanted to be. Everybody was like, find a character, find a character, find a character.

So I'd try out all these stupid characters. None of them worked. No. And of course none of them were, they were all awful, but like there, but, but it was,

it was the trying. It was the, it was the being able to put yourself out there and throw at the wall and see what sticks. Right. Nothing. But, but, but,

but I tried and i kept i kept trying and i think he valued the creativity more than more than the outcome because if somebody came in they were the total package um i can point to there's a wrestler called la knight at the time um who right now is making big waves in wrestling but at the time he was down there we started on the same day

and he had everything he had it just down he had it down you know so Dusty he was smooth he was great yeah

Dusty was like yeah you're great but he had no more work to do because he already had his act down whereas somebody like me was completely lost completely screwed

had and I think I think i think there was a combination of of dusty and william regal that saved my job wow many many times because they saw that there was something something there in this irish girl that had not a clue so that had not a clue because I didn't like look like any of these other girls that were like stunners and I wasn't great in the ring but there was something when I talked that was unique was that was unique yeah interesting yeah so I mean from that moment I guess now are they is it like six days a week training it was so it was like five days a week and then we would do three shows so you do monday tuesday you would do um a school session which is

you'd watch matches but then there'd be extra training gosh that would have been so fun the watching the matches just i mean that whole experience just like being a full-time athlete training watching testing trying just like in hindsight right but during it but during it was but i remember that that was one of the things that uh triple h would always say you know because he was head of developmental and he was always enjoy this enjoy this there's never gonna be and there was times when i would feel like i was in a rocky movie and you know like like I get that like, and you could enjoy it. But the other part of it was not sleeping because you were always scared that you were going to be on the chopping block. You could be cut like every week. Yeah, yeah. There was, they, we called it Black Friday and you'd come in, you'd get pulled into the

office and that was it. And your dream would be over. And, uh i had several friends that that got caught and and it was devastating and my friend joe the reason that i got signed in the first place who i lived with he got caught and so that was a whole new world to navigate um but but so, once the fear of not being cut subsided, then you could enjoy it more. But when you were scared that you were going to get fired every other day, not enjoyable, not enjoyable at all. So when did you feel like I'm making it? Like, when did you feel like, okay, I'm, I'm actually making it, I don't know, in my sport, in society, culturally, financially.

When was the moment from 10 years ago to like, I'm arriving? So I think it was shortly after that. Shortly after the breakdown, shortly after the breakdown of, okay, wait, I'm not a bad person. And then I remember coming into promo class, not doing a character, but just cutting an angry promo of of of I am sick of the I put in all of this work I have done this I have done that I have done this blah blah blah blah blah blah and and and and this is why I deserve a shot this is why I need to be on tv and I remember cutting that promo and then like people like seeing a bit more of an edge and it wasn't just a hi yeah please don't fire me hi hi hi hi I'm so happy to be here

like there was there was this there was now this weird confidence and this um I wasn't so meek anymore like I had a chip on my shoulder and I was ready to fight. And then things started to happen there. And like, then I got on TV. One of the worst debuts of all time. Really? Oh my God, terrible. I came out there doing this stupid Irish jig and I can't, I can't Irish jig.

But like- You tried to dance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tried, tried. You tried to do the Irish dance or something. I tried to do the Irish dance. Like as, as hammed up as possible. Oh man. Tried, tried. You tried to do the Irish dance or something. I tried to do the Irish dance. Like as, as hammed up as possible.

Oh, man. Like shameless, just shameless. But like at the time there was this girl, she was doing this wacky dance. And it was like, okay, well, like wackiness is getting people on TV. There was, there was just wacky characters left, right and center. Because that was the thing

about the developmental system down there. You got the chance to just wacky characters left, right and centre. Because that was the thing about the developmental system down there. You got the chance to be wacky and you got the chance to try things and fail. And so I failed epically. Publicly. On TV. On TV. That lives on forever. That will never be erased from history.

But hey, if you can come back from that, you can come back from anything. Let's go. And so the greatest part of it was like, I didn't even realize how awful it was until like a few nights later. And like, I remember seeing Triple H and being like, what did you think? As if he was like, oh, yeah, that was amazing.

You dominated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the audience loved me. They were still, they were real positive to me. I think, come on, like I was a little idiot. Like, I suppose you couldn't really boo me. Like, God bless her. You know, what did she think? What was she thinking?

Look at this fool. But, yeah, and then I tried various different things. But I remember after that, and then I tried various different things. But I remember after that, and then just having this different perspective and this gratitude that I was able to pay my bills. And the food in my fridge was bought by the money that I'd made from wrestling. And the roof over my head was paid for by the money that I'd made from wrestling. And roof over my head was paid for by the money that I'd made from wrestling

and I was driving a car with the money that I'd made from wrestling and like I was just driving with just tears of gratitude that I could afford these things with the money

that I'd made from wrestling because it I've never felt like money that I've made from wrestling is real money you never felt like money that I've made from wrestling is real money you know it just doesn't feel like real money because I'm not working you know you're having fun I'm having fun I love I love what I do I love what I do I love it I love it and sometimes and sometimes it's hard and sometimes there's so many opinions and there's you know like our wrestling fans they're so vocal and they're so great but you know you take the good with the

bad so sometimes you're getting lots of negative opinions on what you're doing or you're getting and so or you or you think creative should be this way or you should be booked that way. And so you can get bogged down in those things. When it comes to the creative process and I'm putting together a match or I am thinking about a promo, I don't think there's anything bar like playing with my child that makes me feel more alive. Like I just I love it so much and i love just like something coming to me and building from that you know just these little seeds of ideas like what if we try this you know what if we try this maybe this will work and maybe it'll be awful but that's the greatest thing about wrestling is that you because we do it 52 weeks a year, because we're on the road constantly, you get to try and fail so often. But you get to try and succeed so often too.

And you never know which way it's going to go. But if you keep trying, you know, sometimes you hit gold. Sometimes you don't. Sometimes you think something's gold and sometimes you don't right sometimes you think something's gold and other people don't and but that's art right like you do the art for what you want to do and then whatever the audience takes out of it is up to them big uh wwe fan rick rubin we had on the show i love rick and he talks about what you just said, making art for you. And writing in your journal, in your diary, the things that are meaningful for you, your art,

not worrying what people are going to think about it, but having the courage to put it out there and allowing others to see it as well. That's like part of the process. Yeah. And he's a big fan, isn't he? Oh, he's a huge wrestling fan. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And his book is... It's amazing. read it yeah it's so good read it listen to it yeah he's great yeah and i i love because i just like sometimes i just uh i'm like okay what do i need right now universe

tell me yeah and then of course it's exactly what you need in that moment. I love it. But it is that. But the other thing about wrestling, which is so different from any other artistic endeavor, like writing a book, you can take your time. If you're writing a script or whatever, maybe like a movie or a song, if you have an album. But say if you're writing a song, you can just take your time to do that. Wrestling, we ain't got time. Like this show is gonna go live on TV. We gotta make it happen now. At 8 p.m. and if at 7 p.m. you don't have something,

you better find something, because we're gonna go live. Have you ever not felt like you were prepared before going live and having to come up with something on the spot? A million times. Really? Yeah, because now it's different.

But it used to be, back in the day, the show would be getting rewritten while the show was going on. Live, in front of people. So you would have an idea of what you're going to say and then somebody comes up, no, no, no, no, no, you have to say this. Find a way to put this in. And so you're okay going out the curtain and changing things. Really? As you're going out. Yes. You have to evolve what you're gonna say.

Yeah. And sometimes, and that's happened like several times, but it's really exciting. It's scary, but exciting at the same time. Yeah, because it's chaos. Yeah. And it's chaos. And so whatever comes out is great. Wow. Because you can't, it's just organic. It's just but exciting at the same time. Yeah, because it's chaos. Yeah. And it's chaos. And so whatever comes out is great.

Wow. Because you can't, it's just organic. It's just in the moment. It's the ultimate yes and experience. Yes. I love it. It's so exciting. Because you don't know what's going to happen.

But something's going to happen. There's been so many times when I've had like, we're putting together a match, but we haven't had the time. I've had like, we're putting together a match, but we haven't had the time. And so like you're going out and you think that you have something, but you're not sure and you're not sure if everybody else is on the same page. But you go out there and something happens. Like something's going to happen because something has to happen. And based on what happens, they might rewrite the next thing and the next thing. And it just keeps evolving.

Yeah. Because you never go out there and nothing happens. Right. Because that can't happen. Because that would be weird. You're like, people aren't just going to stand in the rain and wait to be told what to do. Someone's going to say something and hit someone and go to the next person. And we're just going to go because that's what has to happen.

Yeah. So it's such a... They'll throw you out there. You just figure it out. Yeah. It's such an exciting, addictive business. Wow, that's exciting. I told you i've

never been to a show so i gotta come and watch watch you you gotta come it's the best i'm curious when is there a moment and you've had so many different matches over the last you know 10 15 years when was the match or the moment that you were in the most flow that you felt like 100 authentic to you that the words were flowing the movement was flowing like it was all connecting and the audience was connected to you gosh i suppose there's several um like recently recently i had a match with trish stratus it was a cage match and it it it just felt like yeah I'm so present everything that it needs to happen is happening and that was back in September um so that's like there's like these big matches that stand out because it you know it'll often happen on live events and different things

but there's big moments these big events built around it and then um a match that i had with uh bianca belair wrestlemania 38 one of my favorite matches one of my favorite stories um leading up to it and i was the bad guy and i loved it i loved it i was having so much fun and she was she's this great athlete and this great baby face and she can do everything. And I was getting to, because I'd robbed the title from her, essentially, like I'd underhandedly beat her. Yeah. And I was going to be able to give her back her championship. She would beat me for it.

I wasn't handing it over. Right, right, right. She would beat me for it. But it was that, you know, her redemption story. And that was so fun to be a part of. And then there was another match that I had in 2018 with Charlotte Flair. It was the last woman standing. And that one stands out because I remember it being the first match

where I felt confident in it, in the I can do no wrong really yeah yeah what year is this that's 2018 2018 yeah wow and so there's like big ones that stand out over over time but yeah I love all these stories you have in your book uh and I want people to get this it's called the man not your average average girl. Make sure you guys pick up a copy of this because there's so many beautiful stories in here. And one of the things I wanted to ask you about this, you talked about is, and we mentioned it off camera beforehand, that I think it was 2019, you were kind of at the top of your, I guess, game in the industry industry but you also felt like you weren't 100 authentic to you is that right or you weren't being the person you fully wanted to be yeah was that related

to um just things that the industry wanted you to do or things you felt like you were to do or is that other personal stuff that was holding you back or what was playing a part in that maybe a bit of a bit of everything um like i i uh so it was coming from underneath right it was coming from uh being this underdog that the audience loved because she was smiley and happy and you know would do creative things online because she was never getting an opportunity on tv but but but even though i wouldn't get opportunities on tv necessarily i was always doing stuff with the digital team or on social media i would create these little stories these stupid little videos skits and stories yeah that i thought were funny and entertaining and so that the audience could

get to know who i was and then they wanted to turn me heel they wanted to turn me into a bad guy against charlotte flair who at the time was uh she was a good guy but but she you know she's the daughter of rick flair and she had multiple title opportunities and was seen very much as a chosen one. And so when they were going to turn me heel, I knew, she knew, kind of a lot of people knew this wasn't going to be a heel turn. This was going to be a mega baby face turn for me because now I would get this attitude and this shoulder chip and all that kind of stuff. But I think and that worked to a certain point.

And I would rely on on social media things a lot and and. And then and then I think a kind of. Started to put stuff out there into the world and onto the internet that whereas i would justify as it it's it's business and this is making people talk and it's whatever but i know it hurt people's feelings that people that didn't weren't in on it you know like it's a different thing when you're in the ring or you know when you're cutting promos and stuff like that. And I was like, but this is what people want. They want me to be like this.

But me as a person didn't necessarily feel, I didn't feel good about that. And I would always justify it, but it left me feeling icky, I suppose. Interesting. And like like what changed until what moment until what moment what do you mean like when did you change that how long was that for yeah it was until i went out and had my child yeah yeah so it was like from from i would say mid 2019 then i just felt like it was just forced that it all felt very forced and I didn't have

formidable opponents necessarily I didn't have people that were built up for me on the backside so I was trying to I was trying to um like the like I was the champion I had this historical moment of being the first woman to main event WrestleMania. But then my first opponent was somebody who the audience didn't know, who was quite green. And, you know, none of this was her fault, but it shouldn't have been my first opponent. So just then things just didn't feel like they were right. And, you know, I felt like I was trying this this still trying the social media thing that just felt inauthentic and and i just i don't know i felt like i put out some some stuff that i wish i didn't you know i just wish i didn't put that out there um because you, social media can be a great tool, but also can be horribly negative.

And it can cost real relationships if people aren't in on it. And so I didn't like that. I think whatever, I will always say, whatever you want to say about me, whatever you want to say about me is fair game. If we can make money on TV, let's's make money but not everybody's like that i know not everybody's like yeah and so you have to there is such a level of trust in what we do and i think i broke that trust for for for several people and then um and it just didn't just didn't feel good it just didn't sit right with with who Rebecca Quinn is and so even though I could justify it Becky Lynch

it's business it's business at the end of the day my gut said no my gut my gut was was no and I was going against it and it felt inauthentic and then I went and had my daughter and then I haven't relied on that since. Really? And I felt just so much better, so much lighter. I don't put stock in it. I tell my stories on TV. I tell them in the ring. I tell them in the ring.

I tell them with my promos. I don't need to be tweeting mean stuff of people on a random Sunday afternoon. You know what I mean? You talk about your daughter, having your daughter, and also kind of the fear and insecurity you had about, I guess, telling the WWE about being pregnant and how is this going to affect your career how did you navigate that you know it's just hot you know um I I uh did you think you would still have a career if you had a child or

and you had you seen someone do this before no was the thing. I'd never seen somebody do it before. Wow. And so that's why I felt like I had to do it because, wait a minute, why should I have to choose? You know, why should I have to choose? Apart from the obvious point of time off, people get, people get injured all the time right you can you can tear your acl and you're out for a year so why can't i be out for a year because you're pregnant i bring a child into the world interesting stuff happens and so stuff is going to happen and this is a new world and uh we're gonna have to we're gonna have to find a way to make it happen so that women can we're going to have to find a way to make it happen so that women can still be superstars,

still be entertainers, still be on top, but also be mothers if they want to be. You know? That was my feeling. Like, why not? Why can't I? And so for better or worse, I was going to be the crash test dummy.

But I just felt like, all right, I've changed the game in one way. Obviously not by myself with a lot of help. Sure, sure. You know, I've been part of this change. Let me continue to be part of change. Let me push some boundaries and see what this can create. Let's see what happens.

Let me make life more hard on myself, but also way better on myself because now I have another purpose. And life is just so much better. Way better now, huh? So much better. I mean, you talk about it here also going through, you know, different relationships, personal relationships that didn't work out, that you were stuck in and felt like you should have been out of much sooner. I was telling you before that I'd probably done that five or six times in my life where I stayed in relationships too long when I knew, trying to force them when I knew it

wasn't really the right thing for either of us. When did you meet your husband? Did you think you could be in a relationship with someone in the business as well? And what is the thing you love about him the most? So many things. I met him first in 2014. I was an extra. I was an extra and he was part of the Shield, which was like the fricking Backstreet Boys of wrestling. You know what I mean? Like he was a major star. And I remember just like standing around there awkwardly,

like, hi, hi, hi, trying to introduce myself there. And then this guy comes over to me and it's Seth Rollins and he introduces himself and he says hi I'm Colby what's your story and then I'm just like blah and I just like vomit all these words and my life history up until that point and and I just felt so comfortable talking to him but that was just my friend that was just that you know that was that was seth rollins who was just such a great nice guy who was so down to earth just mega star on tv but was just really nice to me and uh over the years then we built up this friendship and i always just used to get so excited to see him wow and like uh you know like he would always i would always go up and

tell him a stupid joke and he would always tell me would always go up and tell him a stupid joke. And he would always tell me I was the worst and walk off. Like, I just loved those interactions. It was great. And, you know, and we became closer and he was always there for me and he was such a good friend. And then, you know, he's so smart about wrestling. So I would go to him for wrestling advice and everything. But, you know that one of us

was always in a relationship or and also i never wanted to get involved with any wrestlers i did not want to get involved with any wrestlers because that would be bad news and what would happen if we broke off and right inevitably breaks. And then in like 2019, early 2019, like we started like talking a bit more. He had just broken up with his girlfriend. I had just broken up with somebody I'd been seeing for a short little fling. And, you know, I was like the man now. And I was like feeling myself. I was single. Confident. I was single Becky. I was, you know i was like the man now and i was like feeling myself i was single i was single becky i was you know crushing it yeah i was crushing it you know i was having fun i was

free and so like we started talking and i was like yeah i can have my fun with this cock guy and then and then like we started like seeing each other a little bit but i knew that he was like wanted to sew his wild oats and all this and all of a sudden i was like wait wait a minute i don't know what are we doing no we can't do this we're two good friends we're two good friends and like i can't so if i'm like yeah whatever i don't want to get into a relationship with you then i'm not I'm not going to feel anything. I'm not that kind of a person to like I like a relationship. And so. And so I, I was like, no, no, no, actually, no, sorry. We'll just be best friends. We'll be best friends. That's what you want.

You just want to be best friends with me because I'm a great friend. And he was like, no, no, no, no, no, that's not what I want. And I was like, it is. It is what you want you just want to be best friends with me because i'm a great friend and he was like no no no no that's not what i want and i was like it is it is what you want i'm telling you and uh and so then then we tried this friendship thing but he was like do you still want to hang out when we're on the road next week and i was like yeah that'd be great and then and then I was like yeah we can we can stay in the same room that'll be fine yeah right and yeah yeah yeah yeah right then then yeah then then then we were friends turned into lovers quickly yeah yeah yeah and then like eight months later we were engaged where we were engaged wow look at that a year a year later i uh rue was on the way and then um and and now we've been married for nearly three years we've been together over five years and he is he is the best he's just the best he's the thing that i love most about him i don't know if there's one thing but he's so empathetic like so

i'm irish right i can tell uh and i'm fiery and uh i can be judgy he assesses everything and like he's so forgiving and understands where everything where everyone's coming from and really assesses everything from like a 360 point of view almost immediately and he's so patient and he's the best father and he's so generous and he takes care of everybody, everybody around

takes care of his family, his friends, his society like his community like he gives back. He started wrestling. He was called up on the main roster and almost immediately wanted to open a wrestling school to give back to the wrestling community,

to help train people. He's a big coffee connoisseur, wanted to open a coffee shop in his town so that people could enjoy coffee the way that he wants he's just he's he's unbelievable he's he's the best person i know he's the best person i know and he's like funny and he's so smart he's just great and then he's like this wrestling savant and so selfless in so many ways. Like I could write a book about how great this man is. He's great.

That's beautiful. I just say it all the time. Like, oh, I lucked out. Look at me. I did great. That's beautiful. I did great in life. And we're just, it's, i've never had a relationship like it and we have such a happy

little family i mean it's not perfect of course it's not perfect nothing's perfect we have disagreements from time to time mostly me me disagreeing with something or getting annoyed at something um and him patiently uh trying to rectify the situation um but you know we get to do what we love wow we get to travel with our daughter ah it's just great it's just great and it's not always easy obviously you know traveling 52 weeks a year with a three-year-old isn't always easy. Being all over the place, never really having a settled home life. There's all the things that go into it. But when we just break it down, when we stop worrying about the micro details of,

oh, they should have done this on TV or whatever it is that we might, we're like, oh, I feel i feel like you know i thought this was great and people don't seem to like whatever it is that you could possibly get upset about we have to look at it and go how lucky are we that we get to have this family we get to do what we love we get to get paid well for it we get to travel travel. We have this amazing, magic daughter. And she gets to grow up in a house full of love. That's beautiful. Stop the lights.

It's a good life. It's great. It's a good life. It's great. I'm so lucky. Wow. I did good. This little average girl did good.

Did good. Did good. Did good. Besides your husband, who would you say are the three most influential people in your career over the last? Oh, in my career? Over the last 15 years, who are the three people that influenced you the most? And what were the lessons each one of them taught you? Gosh, I suppose Mick Foley would would be number one he's the reason that

i got into wrestling i loved him and he was different and he was different than everybody else but that was what he accentuated he didn't try to be like everybody he didn't try to look like he he he relied on his uniqueness and his uh unique ability to cut a promo and tell a story and then of course he wrote a best-selling book and so that you know all these things that i wanted to do and then you meet him in person and then anybody who says don't meet your heroes because you'll only be disappointed um maybe maybe they're not talking about the wrestling industry because anybody who i grew up idolizing has been nothing but amazing. Wow.

He's number one. And Mick Foley was one of them. John Cena, amazing. He seems like a great guy. He is a great guy. He is a great guy. What was the big lesson he taught you? Who are you?

Who are you? I don't know who you you are that's what he said to me like i would go to him i would ask him for advice and he's like i don't know who you are i don't know who you are and i would get so mad and i was because the people would be chanting my name i was like well they knew because i've always had this connection with the audience where they would chant for me even even when I didn't have an established character or whatever yeah yeah there was always a connection there we were buds I think because we both love wrestling you know I love wrestling they love wrestling let's have a wrestling party you know let's talk about it um but John didn't know who you were? John cuts through the. He does not tell you what you want to hear.

He is honest. And I love that about him because you will get an honest response. And in a world that can often be called fake, honesty is very important. When he meant who are you what was he saying like you who are you when you walk out the curtain who are you like I don't know who you are you there's nothing that defines you who am I I'm Superman Superman and then and then I walked in on the man and then of course after

after well then then I found out who I was and I became the man. And then, of course, then I changed. So after you... Well, then I found out who I was, and I became the man. Really? And then it was distinguishable. I am the man. Now I know who you are. Wow. You are the top dog. And then I became big-time Bex, and I was, okay, I know who this person is.

So how long after John said to you, who are you? Oh, a couple of years. Oh, it took a while still. So when you became the man, did you go to him and say? No, he came to me. What did he say? He said, you did it. He said, I've said that to a lot of people.

Hardly anybody's done it. You did it. You were the man. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was like a, wow. Thanks, John. John's the man. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was like a, wow. Thanks, John. John's, John's, John's, John's the best.

Wow. Okay, and the third person? The Rock. Wow. The Rock, yeah, yeah, yeah. He, also incredible, like the busiest, biggest star on the planet. But if you are stuck for something and you need advice

he will be there in in a heartbeat and be able to help you with that and talk you through anything and listen to your concerns and put them in perspective and uh yeah and and just be there just just be there for you as a friend when and as a mentor wow when he's also just like the busiest right person on the planet and he takes that time out what was to do that what was the thing he said to you maybe behind the scenes backstage that no one else got to really experience but he said to you maybe behind the scenes, backstage, that no one else got to really experience, but he said to you that impacted you? One of the things that he said to me that I still think about and think about regularly is, what do you think about in the quiet of the night when everybody's gone to sleep, when there's nobody around? What is it that you dream of yeah and keep that at the forefront of your mind and the other thing that he said to me i think um was when my dad passed away

um and i you know everybody tries to comfort you and i never know what to say when somebody passes away to somebody else sorry for your loss you know you're sending love and he said uh and now he's always with you and that and even even saying it now just makes me feel a certain because now he is always with me, you know, and that'll get me. Yeah, so. Wow, beautiful. Yeah. Trust the rock to always know what to say, you know.

Yeah. Rebecca, this has been a beautiful conversation, and I could go for another few hours with you, but I want to be mindful of time. I want people to get your book. It's beautiful stories, lessons about someone from, you know, really a small town, small country, who was able to become one of the biggest stars in the world

and all the different life lessons and stories along the way, which are really inspiring. So I want people to get a copy of your book, The Man, Not Your Average Average Girl. Make sure you guys check this out by Rebecca Quinn. Really inspiring stuff and just some really cool stories in here that I think people will like whether you're into WWE or not. Again, I've never been to a match, but I thought all this stuff was fascinating.

So I'm coming one of these days. I'm going to be there. I have three final questions for you, Rebecca. The first one is called The Three Truths truths it's a hypothetical question so i'd like you to imagine if you can a moment that you get to live as long as you want in this world but it's your last day many years away you get to pick as old as you want to be but eventually you got to turn the lights off for yourself and in this hypothetical world you have to take the lights off for yourself. And in this hypothetical world, you have to take everything with you. So no one has access to this book, our conversation, any piece of content that's

ever been out, anything you create from this moment moving forward, it has to go with you when you leave. But on the last day, you get to leave behind three lessons to the world, three things you know to be true, and that's all you would ever be able to leave behind to everyone else. What would be those three truths for you? To believe in yourself. My dad said something and it's from the Bible, but he misquoted it. But I, and it's a quote that I use in this book too, and he misquoted it but i and it's a quote that i use in this book too and uh he misquoted it but i like his version better and it's uh if you bring forth what is within you what you bring forth will complete you if you do not bring forth what is within you what

you bring forth will destroy you wow and uh i love that i love that it's essentially being authentic to whatever it is inside um and the other one the third one uh i will use the most polite language that I can. Just don't be an a**hole. Just be nice to people. Be good to one another, you know? I think that's what we need in this world more than anything. And if you want an outlet

for people not being good to each other, watch wrestling. Watch wrestling where they're not being nice to each other but it's agreed upon it's contained it's contained it's contained and it's controlled because i think i think more than ever especially in a world where negativity is a hot commodity where the algorithm loves it it is more important where we thought that we left the bullies in the schoolyard, but we don't.

They're online every day. They're constantly telling you. They're constantly chirping in their opinions. I think we need more than ever just to be good to one another. That's beautiful. Rebecca, I want to acknowledge you for a moment for... That's beautiful. Rebecca, I want to acknowledge you for a moment for...

I really enjoy just getting to know you for the last hour and a half and your authenticity. So I want to acknowledge you for you stepping into your authentic, honest, funny, and kind self. It's been really cool to get to connect with you for a moment. I acknowledge you for the journey you've been on. I think it's really inspiring to see someone again from your town and your country, you know, do all the different things you did, leave a dream, come back, and pursue it for years to get to where you are.

And also I acknowledge you for being the man in your sport and also being a mother, a wife, you know, and a woman that is living a personal life as well and making both of them work at a high level. I guess you said it, that there's challenges still and you guys aren't perfect, but being able to live your dreams and be a mom and show up for your daughter, I think it's just a really beautiful thing. So I want to acknowledge you for the journey that you're on and your ability to bring joy and entertainment and inspiration to so many people every single week. So it's really cool. Thanks.

Yeah, of course. Thank you for having me. Yeah, of course. I have one final question, but I want people to get the book. Thank you for having me. Yeah, of course. I have one final question, but I want people to get the book. Before I ask the final question, where can we support you the most?

Where can we follow you? And how can we be of service to you right now? Well, you can follow me on, I think it's at Becky Lynch, WWE. Or is it WWE Becky Lynch? I think it's at Becky Lynch, WWE. And that's my Instagram, Twitter. I think my TikTok following

all your social all my social medias I think it's all the same and then my book available

everywhere everywhere it's exciting how else can we be of service watch wrestling watch wrestling watch wrestling

get the book share with a friend yeah final question Rebecca what's your definition of greatness Watch wrestling. Watch wrestling. Watch wrestling. Get the book, share with a friend. Final question, Rebecca, what's your definition of greatness? Gosh, I think living a life that feels authentic to you. I think that's it. Whatever it is that you want to do without the noise, without the pressure, whatever it is that you feel is authentic. I think that's greatness. That's greatness.

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