The Sevan Podcast - #10 - Scott Stallings

Episode Date: May 23, 2020

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I think I sent it to Scott Stallinging and it's scott stallings with an s yeah why do you say that's just no you just say that because you're trying to fill um space it's not really that interesting you know what i mean okay scott's on the calls or anything you want to say to him before I kick you to the curb? Yeah, he can hear you. Hey, Scott, it's Dave Castro. How you doing? Good, man. How are you? Doing a little podcast with Sevan.

Okay, that's about enough, Dave. That's about enough. When are you coming out to Pebble Beach again? February. All right, let's sneak up. Come work out at the ranch. I'd love to, man. It would be a pleasure to come out there and see it all. Yeah, it's only about 30 minutes away from Monterey.

Hey, Scott, did Dave hook us up? He was asking me how our paths crossed, and I can't. I couldn't. He's taking credit for it. I was through the lab management guys. Uh, we started, I became pretty good friends with, uh, bridges and the guys that kind of helped him and trying to find an intermediary to overlap between like, you know, golf management and, you know,

just kind of in the fitness space and we'd reached out to them and the guys like, man, we, you know, people need to hear your story. Across all areas of fitness. They just started reaching out to us and who wanted to take the time. Did you hear a word of what he said? Dave had nothing to do with it. Dave had nothing to do with it. Yeah. You heard what was important.

All right, Dave. Bye. Thanks for your special appearance. Maybe we'll get some views now. Bye. See you, man. So, Josh Bridges, that's funny because I ran into the story last night. The show's not supposed to start like this, by the way.

Thanks for fucking it up, Scott. Um, uh, so you didn't know pay the man and now you have the same management or pay the man or pay him, or that was a phrase you hadn't heard before. And now you're on the same management team as Josh Bridges. Yeah. Just from, uh, you know, they kind of help as like a sounding board because i mean not that uh it's just a completely different business strategy and a different market and just the way that they go about doing all that stuff and just kind of needed someone to sound off to and it just

lo and behold became then but the first time i ever worked out with bridges that he was like we're gonna pay the man and i was like, I don't want to pay you money. Like I didn't, I didn't know what that was. Oh, so that was actually him. You were working out with the story. I heard you didn't say it was him. That's amazing. Yeah. We went to his house there in Chula Vista, California. And I was there for the Torrey Pines tournament. And literally we, uh, I'd met him at Froning's house.

I told this story with Tommy Marquez and Woodland about who the, you know, first few people I met in CrossFit and Josh Bridges was one of the first guys I met him in Froning's old house in his kitchen, standing in my underwear and Bridges was eating lunch. And Rich told me that no one was in the house. So I just went and changed inside and Josh walked out and it's like hey man and I was that's how we met. How happy is your wife you went from fat boy to skinny anorexic crossfitter to bearded David Beckham looking punk. I mean, look at you. You're

incredible looking. Does she tell you that? Does she know? Or did the transformation happen so slow that she doesn't know? I don't know. I think when you kind of see everyone, when you see someone every day, you don't realize what was going on. But I mean, she stuck me through the hard times, but I'm going to record that one section. If I'm having a bad day I'm gonna draw back what you just said I mean look at you you you're so confident you're wearing like peach yeah I don't know this is kind of just I just went to the grocery store with my daughter and she saw this in my room and she my daughter's four and she wanted all pink and this is kind of what I was rolling with. So this is what I wore today. Awesome. I know a lot about you, but I know zero about golf. So there's going to be some points during this interview where you're going to be like, man, this guy is amazing. This is

the best interviewer I've ever been with. He has done his research. Wow. And other parts can be she's gonna be like you fucking doorknob so bear with me perfect you are um six feet tall 35 years old your weight um goes between 185 and 200 pounds depending on what you're doing yeah yeah i'm about 190 right now um at 12 years old, you somehow OCD or autistically dedicated your life to golf? I wouldn't necessarily say that, but yeah, Tiger won the Masters in 97, and I was done. I was a competitive baseball player, and I saw Tiger dominate, and I wanted a chance to go out there and do it, called my coach and just quit. You refer to yourself at 12. See, this is the OCD, like autistic part. You refer to

yourself at 12 years old as a competitive baseball player. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's, I mean, you were already an over, okay, we'll give an overachiever. You were an overachiever. Um, yeah, overachiever. You're an overachiever. You became pro in two, you've been pro for 10 years. I don't even know what that means to be pro because, and the reason why I don't know what it means is you were pro in, no, sorry. You've been pro for longer than 10 years. You became pro in 2007, but you weren't on the PGA tour until 2011. Yeah. So I played like two and a half years of like developmental tour. And then this is my 10th year on the PGA tour. Is golf like baseball and football and basketball? There really is just one. It's the PGA. And then there's the minors that the PGA kind of owns.

Yeah. The PGA kind of has some developmental cycles all the way through. And I played those, you know, like so many tours like basically legalized gambling, which is basically what we were doing. And then the developmental tour, which is right below the PGA tour, which basically essentially AAA was called the nationwide tour at the time and now 10 years on the PGA tour. What do you mean legalized gambling? Like you get to, you explain that to me? Well, basically, you know, on the PGA Tour, there's corporate partners, there's tournament sponsors.

They're just all the people that supplement the purse and everything that makes up what kind of what we play for. And, you know, they don't have that in the mini tour level. So basically you pay in, I mean, you're basically, your buy-ins are just significantly higher because you're supporting the purse. Okay. Based on your entry fee, the PGA tour, we don't pay any entry fees. We just show up and play. How do you get money for that? And you're, how do you get money for that? You live at home with your parents and you have a paper route and you just, uh, no, uh, I had some good guys kind of back me and kind of helped me get going and, uh, some really good guys from Tennessee and were able to kind of send me and

my wife out on the road. And I took my clubs on our honeymoon. We came back, uh, and then hit the road, man. And it's been a grind, but it's, uh, it's been a cool journey to kind of see it all the way through. And's many parts of that stuff that I mean I feel the PGA tour is definitely always a dream to be a part of but there's part of that journey all the way coming up that I'll never forget how many people are there in this this the the group that's not on the pga tour let's call it the minors the developmental league how many people are in that thousands depending on depending on whatever level the corn fairy which is it's changed names as far as the sponsorship goes but that's the only way to go from this tour to the pga tour and there's probably give or take like on the pga tour full fully exempt members about 150 to

175 in the world um and then on the the tour right below that is probably just a little bit more than that and then below that i mean the mini tours can the number is pretty high and everyone's just trying to inch in their way closer and closer to try to gather away to the pga tour boy this is this is fascinating so i are you you're currently ranked at 159 uh yeah that's just uh is that scary you just told me only 150 to 175 on the tour if you're ranked at 159, you must feel some heat, right? Like that you're going to get tossed down into the minors again? No. I mean, when you've done it as long as I have, you kind of know and understand that there's a, so the way that our job works is 125 guys in order, basically a point system to retain your card for the next year. Well, based on everything that's happened, I average about 28 events a year for my career on tour right now I've played 10 so and everything that's taken place

with uh when we got stopped March 14th at the player championship that was going to be my first of 11 out of 13 events that was like my meat and potatoes part of my season where I was getting ready to play a lot and now we just just, you know, kind of reset and handle it from there. But I'll have eight more events for this current season. And the way that the tour kind of managed the just eligibility and everything, you basically retain some sort of status for the remainder of the 2021 season. Okay. There's special rules to keep in. Yeah, they basically combine, essentially combine your eligibility. There's a little bit of flux as far as, you know, getting into tournaments

and, you know, everything just a little bit different. But for the most part, you're going to retain some semblance of status for two years. So that's why there's minimal stress. Oh, that's cool. Is it possible the way it's set up that all the guys who are in the PGA one year would also be in at the next year? Or is there always some dudes at the bottom who are getting swapped out? There's always some give and take at the end. And, you know,

if you win you're exempt for a couple of years. So you can win and be in the top 10 and the, what we call the FedEx cup. That's our main corporate partner. That's the brides, uh, like the guy that wins the FedEx cup wins 15 million at the end of the year on top of other events, but that's like the cash payout at the end. Uh, but a guy could, you know, win and be exempt for four or five years and then have an off year and finish outside the 125. And he would still retain status because he was exempt. So there's always a, there's always a little bit, everyone sees that 125 number and like,

oh, there's only 125 guys on tour. It's like, well, you kind of throw that number around 150, 175, just kind of depends on, but they're always a little bit of a fluctuation. You won, I'm going to call it a game. What's it called? You won an event. What are they called? Tournaments. You won a tournament.

What is it? The Greenbrier? Yeah. In 2000. Did I say it right? Greenbrier? Yeah. You won it in 2011.

And so you got some exemption, you're saying, that gives you a couple of years to just like hang out and do blow and drink and party. I don't know about that. I probably, I didn't drink a bunch, but I didn't really take very good care of myself if that was the case. 10 beers in your lifetime is the rumor was the case 10 10 beers in your lifetime is the rumor that you've had 10 beers in this 30 i may have had more than that during this quarantine time i'm not a huge beer guy at all but uh i found a brewery here in tennessee

that i like and we've been training a lot so it's been nice to finish the day off with something very cold. So we've gone through all these things. You are, you're six feet tall, you're 35, you're a father of two, you're a professional golfer, you weigh between 185 and 200. You're not a big beer drinker. You've made almost $12 million in prizes in your golfing career, which makes me really uncomfortable to say, because you shouldn't be talking about people's bankroll

right in front of them on TV or whatever. But shit, it's all over the internet how much you make. So fuck it, we'll just go there. And you have the most boring PED story in the history of professional sports. But the most interesting thing about you that I found most fascinating with my six pages of notes when you have 30 pounds overweight and you look at pictures of you you're not even like fat you are like the only reason why you look fat is because they make you wear golf clothes are the

fucking worst clothes in the world if you have any love handles at all and so you look a little chubby but the truth is everyone should look this guy up scott stalling and look at pictures of him from 2011 and that's when i see people walking down the street i'll say to my wife that guy's 80 pounds overweight or that guy's 50 pounds overweight he needs to get on the crossfit my wife will be like no he's not i'm like dude a healthy human being is like, we've recalibrated that 50 pounds is like not a big deal. Like you don't even look fat at 50 pounds overweight at 246 foot. I mean, you just look like your regular just dude. Yeah. It's pretty, pretty wild, man. You see all those people do those like commemorative workouts or whatever, where they try to like relive their weight loss.

I'm like, man, you go like run around and see what it was like to feel with 50 pounds like no I don't ever want to remember that ever like ever like that's a distant memory like oh they put on a weight vest and you would add 50 pounds to it and then yeah or like or or like I'm gonna go take a you know whatever you lost bag of dog food yeah a 60 pound kettlebell and I'm going to go take a, you know, whatever you lost. Bag of dog food. Yeah. A 60 pound kettlebell. And I'm just going to go carry it around for two months. And I think those things are great. And everyone, I get asked that question all the time, but I mean, like, man, I know what that was like. I did it for a long time. I want to know what this is like and enjoy what this can do. Cause this is way more fun. Another remarkable feat you accomplished is you

were drinking at one point in your life between 10 and 12 dr peppers not diet um because you're a man um a day so i did some calculations on that some simple arithmetic let's see if i could find it honestly man before you do your math like that is that is probably low well so when i first did the calculations i said 10 a day i'm like screw it i'm gonna go 12 because i also heard him say 12 you're telling me that you would tell me you would go to costco and buy 10 cases of 10 24 packs of dr pepper and they'd be gone in a week? Yeah, I like the bottle, like the twist off. The 20-ouncer. Yeah, so I would be, so I mean, 10, 20 ounces a day was probably not far off.

Okay, well, perfect. Because I looked at the nutritional value of a 20-ounce bottle of Dr. Pepper. It has 250 calories. So if you drank 12 of those a day you were getting 3 000 calories a day i approve of that that's good for you 3 000 calories this is where it gets weird the sugar content 3.75 cups of sugar for basically four cups of sugar you were drinking a day yeah i'm well aware i have no i have no idea how i didn't develop some kind of like you know type one or something like that when i started going through all the testing that was the first thing that thought had some kind of like crazy

like insulin shock thing or um you know went to all these like adrenal specialists and kidney people and trying to figure out and then guys like, man, based off your diet, how do you not have diabetes or, you know, some kind of, you know, thyroid condition just by the amount of sugar my body is trying to process. And, you know, that's no one's fault but my own. And, you know, ignorance is not an excuse. And, you know know try to take some ownership of that and make it but honestly man it was southern culture and more is better and you know if you if you like it do it again and you know that's you know kind of the way that people grow up and you know not this

idea that enjoy a little bit every now and then and you know kind of go back into a routine of you know health and wellness and you know figure out I had no semblance of what that looked like it was excess upon excess and it was from a lack of knowledge and training and nutrition to a complete overindulgence in you know food and I guess. And by no means was it anything like alcohol-based. It was truly just ultimately just dependent on sugar. And I know you guys resonate with that pretty well. I'm a huge, like, believer in culture. Like, you know, like if, like when Japanese people hand you like a credit card with two hands, you know, like I see that as like a cultural thing. I think that's cool. Like they have these protocols. They're almost meditative. They bring

you to the presence. You know, I'm not okay with the culture of trading horses or cattle for women in property. That's a little old school, right? We're beyond that. And so, on one hand, like, yeah, it's cool that the South has all of these cultures. It's great. The pickup truck with the American flag in it totally cool with that but yeah the soda pop one gots to go or like the sweet tea that was like my grandmother made that like took like four seconds to pour out because it was like oh she just need to stir it up a little bit basically like maple like pure verm Vermont maple syrup came out faster than some of the sweet tea I drank growing up as a kid. Culturally, it's insane.

I'm fixated, especially during the COVID thing, on this word personal responsibility. I've already heard you bring up the concept. You said ignorance is an excuse. I give ignorance, I guess, a pass. But once you did know, nobody was going to make the journey for you, right? You had to break the 10 to 12, 20 answers a day on your own. Yeah. So, I mean, to kind of alleviate, like to kind of get past some of the ancillary stuff, I mean, ultimately I ended up at one of the best endocrinologists in the

country. I went between a guy from Boston university and got UCLA and they got UCLA. You'd like this analogy is basically a combination of Colonel Sanders and house. That was basically the best deterrent. He looked like Colonel Sanders, like the conducted fried chicken guy, but he basically had the job of house, uh, for the adrenal system. had the job of house for the adrenal system. And he basically told me that he said, if you're in my office, you have something that can be fixed or something that could potentially kill you. I'm like, thanks. And so he went down this road, tested me for two days and did all these different things. And I remember hopping in the car once I got my kind of prognosis of all the stuff that I needed to find out and called my wife.

I was on my way to the airport, and I said, I apologize. And I said, what I've done and the things I've gotten myself to this point in my life with my health, I'm solely responsible. And the guy that you know now, you'll never see again. And so I tell everyone I left that guy in L.A LA and, you know, just started making one better decision and start surrounding myself with people that were way smarter than me, you know, kind of gone down some of the similar paths and, uh, you know, trying to make better decisions and kind of figure out what a healthy lifestyle looked like. And, uh, just started figuring out, man, and it wasn't easy i was the only person

that was going to do the work i wasn't going to have anyone try to do it for me and uh but through the whole process developed a passion for you know the gym is kind of where i went to get away you know if a good round bad round tough day great day it was just something that became a prerequisite i was going to do it it wasn't a matter of if and when it was just something that became a prerequisite. I was going to do it. It wasn't a matter of if and when. It was just a matter of what time of day. Is it four in the morning? Is it 10 p.m.? Do you do that? Do you put the kids to sleep? I know you have two kids. It's 9.30 at night. You procrastinate for an hour. Now it's 10.30 and you go in your gym and work out. Yeah, I probably don't do the late nights as much as I do the early

mornings, especially if I know that with what I do for a living, waking up early is sort of just a prerequisite. So like 4am means nothing to me. Why is that? Why is that? Well, just because we have early tea time someday. I mean, I've teed off at 630 before. I mean, my day starts at 330 in the morning. And I'm normally like a two and a half to three hour before I tee off, wake up guy for morning rounds. And, you know, so that's nothing. And my gym is literally 50 yards in my backyard. And so I can, you know, I just wanted to create a situation where I just didn't have an excuse. And, you know, it was just a matter of now I feel like my conversations are almost, my wife's like, are you ever coming out of there? So, which is great, man.

I want to see my kids are down there with me. I have a bunch of good guys I train with and that, you know, from nine to five are just regular, you know, normal dudes to, you know, know normal dudes to you know i've trained this whole quarantine time with the catcher for the washington nationals and a lightweight 155 ufc fighter yeah who's the ufc fighter and you got a guy from the cardinals in there too right yeah lane thomas uh jan gones from the nationals and scott holtzman from the uh, he's a 155 UFC fighter. Forget the fucking golfer and the baseball player. What a credit to CrossFit that a UFC fighter is in there doing high intensity workouts. And by the way, anyone who does high intensity workouts and you don't think it's CrossFit,

that's because you're under 30 and you didn't know, you don't know the origins of CrossFit. Okay, that's not i mean stop i want to come back now what you feel better now yeah i do i just see all these people i don't do crossfit and then and then you see them and they're 25 year olds and they're and they're doing crossfit they just don't realize it because they don't it's all they've ever known because because the whole fitness world has changed we're not doing ar Arnold Schwarzenegger anymore, which is fine. He's cool. I'm not hating. I guess it doesn't do CrossFit.

You see him doing like rowing intervals and like man makers, and you're like. Anything on rings, ropes, like. I want to come back to the soda thing, but I want to ask you one thing about golfing etiquette. I ended up on the wiki page of golfing etiquette and uh there was this there was this thing that you're not supposed to do is golfing and i thought it was fucking brilliant i would have never thought of it before but like if you're if you're like close to the hole and you're putting to the hole all the other golfers are not allowed to walk between your ball and the hole because that would could cause divots or uneven

grass areas where the ball would travel that's making it harder to make the shot and there was a word for it do you know what that word is no but you don't walk through someone's line is that yeah and there was like a word for it but i thought what a sneaky move to do that like send your 250 pound caddy to walk between the ball and the hole to kind of like make the ground uneven yeah that's uh that would be very much frowned upon now you can like they change you can fix all that like a guy steps in my line it's you know purely accidental i mean at the at the level that we play i mean you're gonna get beat based on your talent and ability you're not gonna get beat because someone trying to trick you out of doing

something. I don't know. I don't have the time for that, but. There's no shady stuff like that. Like I don't follow sports real well, but there was like a thing where they took air out of one in football. They took the air out of the football. Or I remember being a kid and going to baseball games and guys would be like having sandpaper and it's like sanding the ball or putting corks in the bat. And you would just hear that stuff. There's none of that stuff going on in golf. I guess there's only 125 of you, right? Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there is, but I mean, it kind of police yourself. I mean, the etiquette and standards, I mean, not to say that guys aren't

going to try, but I mean, that's just not going to last very long. And, you know, with the way that media is, they don't forget. There was a guy that kind of, that got caught on TV, kind of messing with his line, this fairway bunker. And I mean, he just blatantly lied that he didn't do it. And they're like, man, we have it on tape twice. From seven angles. Like he's like, Oh, I didn't know you can't do that. It's like, man, you know, you know, you can't do that. It's like, man, you know, you know you can't do that.

So just like I said, man, ignorance is not an excuse in situations like that, especially once you know. Just, you know, sitting there and just throwing your hands up like, oh, sorry, didn't know that, and just walk away like nothing ever happened. But I would say in other sports there's some stuff, but maybe golf is just man 18 holes in the ground you're trying to get it in there as fast as you possibly can and you're probably a bad um sort of baseline or litmus test for who cheats and doesn't cheat you're you're pretty square you

are especially laced you are square right i mean you don't look square but like once someone gets to know you you're like you have a bedtime, you go to church, your kids, you struggle with nudity and movies. Do you? Am I close? Am I profiling you good? No, man. I think I'm pretty laid back. Nothing much really bothers me, but I can't stand ignorance. I can't stand just. You turned yourself in for buying something at cvs that

your daughter croger i mean when i'm reading this fucking story i'm like what what is this the nicest guy on the planet yeah man that was a bizarre time uh uh know, became the poster child of what in the world was going on here. And honestly, when that whole thing came out, it was all based on the idea that if you had any kind of thing you were concerned about, and I had just started going down this path of like what health and everything looked like. And my doctor, while we're doing all these tests, like, man, just like, this is not going to be the cure or anything this is something that could just kind of help you feel a little bit better through the process instead of you know hey we're going to prescribe you this or prescribe you that it's like

it was ten dollars and 83 cents at the kroger uh right down the street from my house and who knows man i you didn't what's crazy is you didn't test positive but you never once twice you didn't test positive and you still ran out there like no it's like one of those guys in jail who didn't commit the murder but wants to get credit for it no no i killed him i guess but i mean honestly i sat down the path is like man if, if you, why is this, you know, so prohibited substance on the list? Like, how could you take this? I mean, I passed an Olympic test. I took blood and everything. And I was like, I mean, is, is, is it the drug? Is it the testing? What is it? And I kind of went out, that was my original avenue. It wasn't that I wanted, you know, everyone to be how, man,

how great of a guy are you that you're turning yourself in when you didn't have to? I could have just as easily just stopped taking it. I mean, who knows if it was doing anything. Come to find out down the road, in order to fail for that DHEA, the product that I bought at the grocery store, which by the way, probably buying your supplements at the grocery store, probably not the best idea. But again, I didn't know. And, you know, I took responsibility and handled that. And I lay my head on the pillow at night and know that, but it's been a cool story to be able to tell that, you know, to, in order, sorry, get back to it. In order to fail for that, you have to have an injected and you'd have to take about 2,500 to 3,000 milligrams in order to fail for

that. I was taking 25. Orally. Yeah, that was it. Yeah, crazy. So, and based on like my baseline numbers of all the stuff that I was dealing, like I was 29, I had a, like a free testosterone of one, like under two. And I mean, that wasn't like the number we're going, but like cortisol levels and inflammatory levels of like borderline, like geriatric. The first guy at UCLA that drew my blood said, if you, if I didn't take this myself, I thought this would be from a guy that was going into a nursing home. Wow. Just off the charts, inflammatory, just like, I mean, I was as fragile as a kid, man.

That's scary. Yeah, that's scary. And pushing your body as hard as you can. Yeah, I mean, you're just repetitive motion. You're playing, you know, 30 plus tournaments a year. You're on the road. My rookie year, I was on the road 337 days. So, I mean, you're just a ticking time bomb for lack of a better term and just dealing with stuff that no way at 20, I shouldn't have been even remotely having the conversations I was having at that age. Let alone where I always tell people, like, I feel like I got a second chance and opportunity to live my dream on tour and, you know, hopefully kind of go before and have a chance to talk to people like you and kind of explain, man, don't wait. Everyone's looking for that like aha moment or, you know, just some people aren't as fortunate to, you know, have life kind of hit them in the face. They got to kind of take a little bit better ownership of what they're doing and go out there and figure out what the best version of themselves looks like. Ownership. He said it. He's more

personal responsibility talk. Isn't that weird? This guy's successful at life and he keeps accidentally talking about personal responsibility and ownership. Are you a master traveler? have become platinum zoom at whatever, whatever you can. But I would say that I have a pretty good way of, I like a way to doing it. I've traveled with my family, my son, seven, my daughter's four. And we traveled with, when you learn to travel with kids, you can do anything. And I mean, we had the kids on the road for 30 plus weeks a year. And I mean, you ever seen that?

Do you go with your family on tour? Yeah, they don't travel as much now. My son's now in second grade, but just trying to manage that. But you ever seen like a four-year-old kid go to the sky priority desk at Delta? They're like, do you have an ID? It's like, no. Oh, he's full. It's like, well, how does that matter?

So, but you start learning how to travel with children. You can handle it a lot, but I've got some little hacks and different ways that I like to go about doing my thing. I wouldn't necessarily say I'm a master by any means, but I'd say I'm pretty redundant the way that I do things. The worst thing you can ever do, this would be my tip, the worst thing you can ever do while you're traveling is drink too much the night before you have to leave because leaving and packing hungover is the worst thing that can happen in life. Yeah, I've had the experience of that a time or two.

Not to excess, but just like, man, I stayed up too late. I do this. So most of the time before I do anything like that, I'm already packed. Oh, yeah, yeah. Or just don't do it and come home. Get old and don't do that shit anymore, like me. When you stop drinking the sodasas do you do it cold turkey i made it i haven't had one and i honestly could not tell you the last time i had one does dr pepper have caffeine in it oh yeah where do you get your caffeine from now? I drink coffee. Okay. So when you quit cold turkey from 10 to 12, 20-ounce Dr. Peppers a day,

what yard line of health does that immediately take you to? Because I tell people that if you drink soda pop and you quit drinking soda pop and you switch just to water, within a week you'll cross the 50-yard line. You're just there. Yeah, I mean – You're disagreeing. I definitely agree. I mean, just in how I felt. I mean, that initial crash was – I mean, I should have checked

into, like, a treatment facility. A rehab center. Yeah, what are you here for? Soda? Like, oh, we don't treat that as like, well, you should. Cause I feel awful. Um, but I mean, it was probably honestly like a two weeks and it was literally go and find anywhere. I had it where there was the pantry, the refrigerator outside fridge, wherever I, my car, whatever. I was just chucking it didn't matter and friends of mine like giving away I was like no I'm not giving this away I'm throwing it away like just pitching

everything I possibly could I went just pretty diligent got back to a friend of mine that had come off a soda before said he went to where he started trying to drink a gallon of water a day and so I just challenged myself was like all right I'm gonna fill it up with that and got my gallon jug carried it around was miserable for about two weeks and honestly man it's been at least five years if not more what happens if you have to pee so freakingicking bad in the middle of a tournament? Like, is there a time to do that? Have you ever had to pee so bad? You're like, Oh shit, I'm not going to make it.

No, I make it. I mean, I mean, they, the tour pretty does a pretty good job of taking care of us. I just imagine you with your gallon of water and being out there and they're like, and the TV cameras on, you know, like Scott stalling up to bat or whatever you guys do up to swing no we're we're pretty well taken care of there's an opportunity you can kind of sneak out of the way and and uh and take care of yourself if you need to but it's not like that in the podcast world 80 of the time i'm talking to my guests i have to be you think that's just because you're getting older i think it's because i drink 12 cups of

coffee and then sit down and talk to you guys nice yeah there was a show i used to watch on tv called mad men and and the guy was always drinking and smoking cigarettes in it and whenever i would watch the show would make me want to i never even drank hard liquor but i used to smoke cigarettes as a kid and it would make me want to um when i mean kid i mean like 25 um i would want to, I never even drank hard liquor, but I used to smoke cigarettes as a kid and it would make me want to, when I mean kid, I mean like 25, I would want to drink hard alcohol and smoke. And now for the last, you know, whatever many years I've been preaching, hey, don't eat sugar, don't eat sugar, don't eat sugar. And I don't usually post anything of me doing anything bad. And someone's like, are you telling me you don't need any sugar and I'm like no I do eat some sugar I do drink alcohol but what I'm saying is it doesn't make me a hypocrite what I'm trying to do

is be a good human a good role model you know what I mean by that I'm not gonna post a picture I'm not gonna get on my account while I'm drinking I'm not going to post a picture. I'm not going to get on my account while I'm drinking. I'm not going to get on my Instagram account while I have a 12-pack of Budweiser in front of me. I'm not going to lie to someone about it if they ask it. And the reason why I bring this up to you is I think what happened to you was you were taking personal responsibility for yourself and unbeknownst to you over the three years that you've been on this journey, your people are, people are, you're, you're influencing people. People are like, holy shit.

Yeah. I mean, the first initial response, like, man, that was never a goal. Like that was never like, Ooh, I want to be a health ambassador. I want to do this. I want to do this. Like, man, I want to take care of me. Like, I want to be there for my wife. I want to be there for my kids. Like, man, when you feel terrible and I mean, you just feel like a worthless human, like I would come home from practicing or whatever, and then go straight to bed, you know, just try to wake up so I could go. And, and I mean, you're not just trying to get up and go to work. You're trying to go out and play and compete against the best golfers in the world. You know, it's like,

you're on a knife's edge every single day as far as, you know, a margin of error. And, you know, that is just, everyone's like, Oh, you did it. You got healthy for golf or you did this. Like, man, golf was not even a consideration. It was your kids in your life. You didn't want to die. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to be that. Like, I didn't want to be that, you know, I hate the word like absentee father, but I mean, essentially that's what I was, that's the route that I was headed. Cause there's no way I could have sustained, you know, I would be there in physical presence,

but not, you know, you know, the way, Hey, I want to go chase my kids around. Like, I want to be the one that's like, Hey, I'm wear my kid out like we're gonna go run and uh i said we got this little bike route over by the practice facility where i go to here in knoxville and it's about a like a five and a half six mile loop and we're going it's like my goal is to beat my son on his bike and right now you're on foot and you're on, I'm on foot and he's on his bike. That's cool. And right now he is kicking my butt, but I mean, he can churn it out. I mean, he can go, I mean, he's seven. He can churn it on the bike pretty good. But I mean, in order for me to do it,

I'd have to hold about a, under a 630 pace for for almost six miles which i mean that's pretty good for me uh but that's like i want to be the one that's like all right you know we're we're going i'm gonna ride my bike and my dad's gonna run i better bring it or i mean he's gonna crush me because i would never let him hear the end of it but just different things like that and you know you want to play basketball you want to go wrestle in the backyard, whatever you want to do, like I'm ready for it. My job is not going to define my ability to, to be the dad and the husband that you guys deserve. Do you have any fear that you're changing your body composition would have affected your game? I guess your stroke, or is that just horseshit the mind playing tricks on you excuses

everyone try oh you did this you had success early in your career man if i didn't make the changes i meant i wouldn't be able to play anymore i'd been off the tour i'd have been i don't know come and work for you i don't know so so well then you would have got skinny but killing the fat man with with scott stallings it's stallings with an s at the end correct yeah you should drop that too hard um scott stalling and the stallings family um correct uh going back to that question but did it affect anything like do you have any it sounds like you don't want it like maybe it did the way you're answering the question. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I get, you know, I did this podcast, uh, probably two weeks ago and the guy was

basically like challenging, like how, how high intensity, uh, training in any type of realm would be detrimental to golf. And I said, man, at some point, do you start to think that every single 24 hours of my day are devoted to my career and my job? And he's like, well, I guess I was like, well, your guess is incorrect. And I mean, I did a Frazier's podcast probably three weeks ago. I'm sorry. And he said, man, I said, he said, there's time and a place where, you know,

that is my sole focus, but it cannot be like all day, every day. You have to get out of your own head and find, and that's where CrossFit became, you know, very appealing to me. You know, I could go, cause our days are super long. They're very monotonous. Around a golf on tour takes five and a half hours. And that's just to play. That's not to prep. That's not to all the stuff that goes into it. And I wanted something where I could kind of get that out. Golf is very counterintuitive, my personality and personality. Yeah. Like I want to like hammer down. And so I remember one of the first couple of workouts I did, I didn't know who any of these girls were.

And a friend of mine was like, we're going to do the, some girl workouts. I was like, Oh man, I just thought that he just thought that, that, that little of my physical ability that we're going to do these girl workouts. And it was Helen, Karen, and, uh, those are the first two I ever did. And Diane, Fran. Well, Fran was like a little bit later. And I remember I, I did Fran and I scaled to, I used every band that was in the gym to do 45. Like I was, I just was cranking them. And I, I think the first time I did it, I used the 95 pound bar. And I think I did like nine minutes, you know, just under nine, something the what all these different ways for people to go and see what scores were.

I was like, somebody did that two minutes. And like, who are these people? And so and then I did the nasty girls workout. And I was like, whoever these girls are, they hate. They hate everyone. I don't know who they named these people after but these are the meanest women ever because i i feel awful like the first time i did karen i like i couldn't i couldn't drive home my legs were wrecked you got thrown into the fire i've done like 10 wall balls

in my life ever and then they were like we, we're going to do this wall ball work. I was like, oh, 150, that's not that bad. And like halfway in, I was like, I'm not going to make it to the first, the men's height. I'm going to go to the women's. And I just blew up my legs. But the idea of that, of you could go into, you know, your monotonous day of playing and practicing and, and focus on

your sport. And then you could just get out of your own head. And for 15 minutes, be completely miserable laying on the ground. And, you know, contemplating every one of your life's decisions and get up and be like, man, I feel great. Let's do that again. And that immediately sparked the interest in me and, you know, how you can take the same workout and do it seven different ways and get seven completely different results just by the way that you plan it out. And I was like, I like this. It was a way, you know, because in golf, there's all the way everyone tries to figure out different ways to practice and prepare and do different things to work on their game. But for the most part, you're kind of in the same lane. You know, there's different tweaks as far as here and there.

But for the most part, I mean, it's trying to be the most efficient you possibly can throughout your sport. And CrossFit's very similar. But the ways to kind of, you know, change that up a little bit, you have a lot more options. And I like that a lot. It's funny you said that, get out of your own head. There's nothing, you have a lot more options. And I like that a lot. It's funny you said that get out of your own head. There's nothing, you know, there's this Taoist saying, stop thinking and all your problems will go away. And I always tell someone who's like complaining or frustrated. I'm like, hey, dude, the answer is at 100 burpees. They're like, what? I'm like, do 100 burpees. The answer for whatever your problem is, is at the end. It it's like just take that moment to get out of your head and for sure man i like i feel like there is a lot of what i do that um all my guys i train with now

they're like man you know are you okay like you know did you get sunburned today like just try to make fun of how soft golfers are it's like like, you know, did you get sand on your foot? Like while you practice? And I was like, guys, these are the MMA guys and the baseball guys making fun of you. Yeah. They just make fun of me. And we're actually playing tomorrow there. They are playing me, which is going to be comical. Um, as far as like, as we all start to kind of get back into our normal like sporting life. But it's like just the idea that I to kind of get back into our normal, like sporting life. But

it's like just the idea that I'm going there with this group of guys, we have completely different jobs. But we understand the professional mentality of we are at the peak of our sport as individuals, but we're going to come together with a collective mind that man, we're going to suffer together and we're all going to come out better on the other side. And we got a call, a call set up right when basically all sports got shut down and said, man, we're going to have a time in this. Who knows how long we're going to be shut down. And we're going to come out and we're going to be the most fit

and most just mentally hardened we could possibly be during this time. And, man, we have had some absolutely just sessions i would say and this is by no means putting any kind of challenge or any kind of trying to hold a candle to a you know typical games athlete or anything like that but for guys that you know technically have other jobs that are you know somewhat physically demanding debatable on my job, but I could make some stakes every now and then. But I mean, it's been great to see. And I just think that suffering just a hundred burpees is a great thing, but you know, man, go suffer a little bit, go put yourself,

go write something down on a board and just deal with it and know that it's going to hurt. Know that it's going to push you beyond your limits and just see what you're capable of. And it's amazing to hurt know that it's going to you know push you beyond your limits and just see what you're capable of and it's amazing what you can when you write a workout down that you basically know as you're writing it that there's zero chance that you could finish it wow a big a big challenge of that wow and uh people who are listening out there let's put a little disclaimer if you're in your 20s and 30s go ahead and do that if you're in your 40s and 50s make sure you write another workout before that workout that warms you the fuck up man i'm 48 and i gotta be like i i gotta be like sweating before i start

like yeah we it's crazy one of the one of the other guys adam curly who travels with us on the pga tour works with you know six six players and he's a pt by trade and he's 46 years old i will be 46 and i mean trains us every day man and just holds the candle yeah i saw some videos of him he looks he looks yoked he looks like do you know who chris cooper is out of canada yeah i mean he's related to chris cooper he is very he's in very good shape. And so we have battles. Him and the UFC fighter and me and the baseball guy, we kind of split it up. And we had a two-man team battle today. We had three different exercises or three different workouts and timed each one of them

and basically added our cumulative time up together to see who won. And so we're just mostly time just so we can talk trash to the other guys for a day because the next guys are going to crush us the next just depending on whatever we do the bigger guys on the high volume body weight workouts especially like push-ups and pull-ups we get killed on that one but anything lower body we got it earlier you said that um something about basically i forget how you worded but basically you like to put the pedal to the metal which is not something you get to do in golf you like to just get on it and romp on it is there a profile for a professional golfer like

of those 125 guys could you stereotype um 36 of them for me i I mean, sorry, 36% of them or 33% of them for me? Like, is there any like, okay, if you're a golfer, you're going to be? For the most part, everyone that plays any professional sport, but especially golf, you're going to have some type of neurotic tendency, you know, whatever it is, just because so much of what we do is the same day in, day out. So your life starts to become that way. Whether a good thing or a bad thing, it just happens. I mean, so many days are like Groundhog Day, especially at a tournament.

You wake up, you prep, go to the course, play, practice, do your thing, rest, recover, sleep, do it again. And so it's the mundane and monotonous stuff kind of becomes and people try to do the best they possibly can to make sure that outside of a tournament that that doesn't happen and but some guys example of what happens like like like always you're on like when you pack your clothes it always has to go underwear shirt socks pants because you're a golfer and like everything has to be like you have to have structure in every fucking thing you do or like what do you mean like you don't want it to get

outside of your life yeah i think a lot of it too like all right you get your routine in a tournament like all right i'm i'm i got two weeks off and i'll wake up monday after i've just been on the road for seven weeks and you're like where's my egg white spinach and jalapeno omelet. Like this guy's not making it. I got to make it. I don't know how to make it. And then it's like, just this panic sets in. It's like, Oh, I got to go play another tournament. Cause this is the only life I know. And you know, and I say that too, like I was the best in the world at it before I had kids, but, but man,

you know, you got two little guys depending on you, like, they'll take you out of your own routine as well because, you know, I mean they sacrifice a lot for what I do for a living. And so the opportunity for me to come back in and just be dad and not this, you know, professional golfer and, you know, what are we making today? And, you know, just trying to figure out how to do that. That's helped me tremendously. But if I was going to give a profile, I'd say some kind of neurotic tendency,

hyper-focused, a, and none of these things are necessarily bad, but very, very routine, very routine. And they get a certain way they like how they like to do things and you know don't really like to be told otherwise and kind of take it from there you look you sound like you want some balance in your life or balance in your life or that golfing isn't the most important thing in your life so then the question is is that why you haven't won the fed x cup because you got your priorities all fucked up who knows man i i may have my priorities right where they need to be and absolutely but i still like the way i asked it yeah i think that's great. But I think like I was, I'm not going to let, you know, so much of my time in my life has been defined by what I do on my golf course. And man, I love my job. I'm working harder than I ever have to be the best I possibly can be. So I'll cut and say, are there other things that are important to me as well? Yes, there are.

Are there other things that are important to me as well? Yes, there are. But when I step out there and they call my name on that first tee, that's my focus and all the prep that goes up into that. But I definitely learned to compartmentalize a little bit. I asked Frazier what he did when the game's over. He said, I literally don't work out until I hate looking at myself in the mirror. And I think that, you know. Which is probably like two or three days at least.

Yeah. Well, we were sharing some cheat meals that when I did his, it was like, man, you ate all that. And he's like, yeah. But I think just learning to figure out a way to kind of get away from it so that when you go back and do it, it's like, man, I do love this. I do. I love, I love going back and being in there and i think especially talking to some other guys that don't do what i do for a living like we got march 14th is when we got taken off the course in jacksonville and like i mean i didn't touch a club for almost six weeks and just, and I had friends of mine, like, you're not playing, you're not practicing. It's like, yes. And it's okay. It is okay.

Do you think it's, so let me follow up here then. Do you think it's made you a better player to have balance? Or do you think that maybe you're lying to yourself? If you say yes, do you think that like, you're just maybe okay just being on the tour? Do you think that maybe being obsessed and not being happy is what you have to do to win? Like what do you have the formula? Have you, with your formula, could you still win the FedEx cup? Yeah, I definitely think though, as we get to the point where just change is inevitable and everything and a huge change with what going on with my family as far as them being with me on the road all the time and then trying to understand

what that looks like of them not traveling to go from basically traveling 90% of the year to now traveling 10% of the year and the balance of what that looks like at home and on the road because I just have so much more time when I'm on the road to be able to do all the stuff and put the hammer down. So that happened? That's real? You went from traveling 90, as a pro golfer, you had a version of you that traveled 90% of the year and you're still a pro golfer and there's a version that only travels 10% of the year because you have all your tournaments at one end? No, I was saying that my family went from basically traveling 90, No, I was saying that my family went from basically traveling with me 90% of the time to now about 10% of the year. I mean, that's different.

And all the prep work and everything that goes into it. So I had to kind of balance, you know, practicing prep on the road and at home a little bit different where I'm on the road. That's all I have to do. So it's definitely a balance, but I think I have a way better, perspective is good, but understanding of like truly what I'm trying to do when I'm out there. And I would say I've become fairly outspoken to some of my fellow players that

when I'm out there, especially, man, I just cannot stand complaining. Like, man, you're, you're one of the best players in the world. You're treated like a king everywhere you go. You're playing for millions of dollars every single week, and not a person out here is rude to you, and you're just trying to figure out a way to have a bad day. Like, no one went and got you out of bed and told you you had to do this. Like, if this is your attitude, stay at home, man.

Like, I'm not not gonna miss you like a perspective of like at some point at some point you have to have an attitude of gratefulness and understanding that like we're truly blessed to have the opportunity to be out there do that do you dole out the tough love like that do you dole out that 100 man i just cannot stand especially like being frustrated and disappointed with bad rounds and bad shots is one thing. But man, when you start taking it out on volunteers and tournament staff and just have an attitude of entitlement and ungratefulness, I just cannot handle that. So I'm not scared, man. I'll fire right into anybody. When I see that your best score ever is 60 does that mean that you and a bunch of clubs

and a ball had a starting point and ending point 18 times and the average amount of times it took you to hit that ball into that hole and those 18 attempts is 3.3333 repeating yeah i mean i guess that i'm trying to understand golf. I mean, I know so little about golf, but 60 means it took you 60 strokes to get the ball into the hole 18 times. From the first tee to the 18th green in 60 shots. Yeah, that's crazy. Does that ruin you to have a score like that? Then your whole life, you're like just chasing that and trying to beat that. When did that happen? How old are you?

That was in 2015 maybe. Something like that. But my lowest score ever in my life is 58. And that was – so if you say that to another professional golfer, like is that a faux pas like hey you can't be talking about something you just got on some random course with your son you got to keep it what's in the what's in the no i mean i i caveat hey my career best score in my entire life is 58 my best career tournament score 60 okay okay and that's kind of like you win any money with that 58? I did. I laid it to him.

That was a good day. Tell me, it was just a one-on-one, you and some rich CEO saying he's going to take you out and bust you? No, that doesn't happen. When you can Google someone's golf accomplishments and understanding they are truly one of the best players in the world. It's like, I'm not going to roll into, you know, Froning's gym and be like, Hey man, you ready to do some muscle ups? I'm going to watch you do those. I'm going to go over here and do some like ring rows, something like that. So, I mean, that doesn't necessarily happen,

but I was playing in a men's game at my home course where I grew up, and I blacked out one day and just went off. And, you know, 58 shots later, it was awesome. I loved it. Is that a joke? What do you mean you blacked out? No, you just like when a situation like that, you know, every round has the potential to have that happen.

You have the one shot or you have, and then you look up and you're like, I shot 58. And you don't even like, you don't even realize that you're just so tunnel vision and, you know, everything is going in. And like the hole looks like a wash bucket, you know, almost like you can do nothing wrong. I mean, those days are very few and far between, but when it does happen, it's literally like you get done. You're like, I have no idea what I shot I was gonna ask you about that I was watching some of your some I was watching a bunch of video clips of you last night hitting the ball and like just to be a layman like you know like birdies and eagles and just like you know like

just all the stuff you the videos they have on the pga.com and sometimes it like not sometimes every time I'm like this fucking guy just walks up and hits the ball and like yeah i'm looking for like i mean i didn't you know i haven't seen a thousand clips of you but i'm looking like for tendencies or rituals you have or and i couldn't spot i couldn't you know just quickly spot anything and i'm thinking like there must be some fine line between over concentrating and under concentrating. And like, I was like, oh, I wonder if he ever plays a hole and is like, God damn it. I was thinking about my kids the whole time and I fucked this whole hole up. I wasn't even here.

Yeah. That all, like a lot of that process happens behind the ball. So it's like, all right, I'm basically perpendicular to the ball to the target and now when I turn uh parallel to the ball so like we we have to hit the ball from the side we don't hit the ball from the back so basically like this is my talking like I can talk about whatever I want and I'm basically explaining what I'm going to do but as as soon as my shoulder turns, nothing, that's it. It's all about execution. And like, you know, there's a time to be reactive, and there's time to be responsive. And those are, you know, kind of a happy balance between the two. Reaction takes nothing, response takes thought. And, you know, I give the analogy that you and I are having dinner one night, and the world's

deadliest bug is crawling up your neck, and you can't feel it, and I are having dinner one night and the world's deadliest bug is crawling up your neck and you can't feel it and I slap it. I basically saved your life and you just react and reach across and just knock me out. And I'm knocked out, my nose is bloody and you're like, why did you hit me in the neck? It's like, well, I actually just killed that bug that was about to eat your neck. You just reacted to the situation and didn't take into account that, hey, my buddy is trying to actually take care of me here. And so a lot of stuff that we do with junior golf and college golf and different things is basically trying to teach a player to be less reactive

where you kind of take the emotional side out of it and learn how to respond to situations with a little bit of thought. Boy, that was like, I think like 10 10 of that resonated with me um meaning that went over my head a little bit are you familiar with like a zen tea party like basically like all the rituals you go through to pouring the tea and it brings you into this sort of this um mental state of equanimity and peace and and it's not about drinking a tea. It's about the process, the journey of getting the tea in the cup. Is that,

is that what you're telling me? Do you do have that process as you approach the ball that there is, there are these steps and things going on between your ears and as your body rotates where you're leaving your mind and entering your body and. I wouldn't necessarily get as like philosophic as that i would say that i mean it's truly a physical thing like you know everyone has physical cues you know you know what you're looking for if i told you how to deadlift you'd be like this is what i focus on when i pick the bar up off the ground the same mentality you have your checklist all right and then next thing you know,

like when you get in a good position to pick the bar up off the ground, what are you thinking about? Nothing. Cause all the work has been done. You're in the position. Now it's time for you to go and execute and do it. Or if I said, man, how do you do a burpee? All right. This is what I think about when I go down. But when you're, you're repping out a hundred and you're just suffering through it, man, you're sitting there and you're making sure your chest hits the ground. You're gonna pop up, shoot up off the ground. I'm gonna do it again.

It's all just making kind of minor tweaks in real time in order to just get more and more efficient. Absolutely. And I think that you're not sitting there. All right. I'm gonna put my hands on the ground. I'm gonna shoot my feet back. I'm going to slowly let my chest down no it's man i'm up down up down in the same situation i'm not sitting there trying to just like work on the entire anatomy of a burpee going up and going down i mean same thing in golf i know my shot i know my yardage i'm trying to go execute it the best i can as someone just from the outside it seems like in

golf's just fascinating to me because it seems like golf's just fascinating to me because it seems like it would be impossible to get good at it. Do you know what I mean? It's just like, I mean, it's just, it just seems like there's just too many factors. The ball is too small. You have to hit it too far. The stick is weird. It's just amazing that you guys get good at it. Yeah. I gave our buddy that plays for the Nationals, you know, guy just won the World Series, and he calls, and he's like, hey, I'm gonna go play golf with some guys. I need you to help me, and literally, guys at the top of his sport and what he does, and you bring him into the golf world, and he's just like a complete, like, tell me what to do. And golf, I mean, anything can make you humble.

But, I mean, I feel like I'm one of the best players in the world. And golf still humbles me every single day because it's something you can do. Oh, that's good to hear. That's great to hear. You can, just like fitness, and I think that's why both sides resonate, you can always improve. Like the guy that said his goal is to, you know, I'm going to try to run a 5k in this. When he gets done,

he's already thinking about what he's going to do to beat it the next time. And same thing that when I shot 60 on tour, I made a bogey. So I'm always, I think about that eight footer that I missed. Like even now I can tell you it was the, it was the seventh hole that, you know, this is what we did. I hit it up there. I three putted. And I made a bogey.

So instead of – you don't see it as a 60. You're like, I could have got a 59. Yeah, I think about – but then also on the other side, like, I hold it from the fairway on a shot. Like, there's a lot of things happen when you have scores that are that low. But, I mean, I can show – show i can remember 100 the putt that i missed for bogey uh that i ended up leading to making a bogey there's nowhere to hide in gold not this no because it's all on you it's nowhere to hide purely individual sport and there's so little there's so little going on it's just like you have this stick and you're hitting this ball

and and like it there's just there's no one trying stick and you're hitting this ball. And, and like, there's just, there's no one trying to stop you. There's no one to blame. There's no like, oh my God, Michael Jordan swatted my golf ball. I mean, it's just you fucking up. Yeah, man. It's ultimately relies upon, which I like to, and you know, I'm, I'm the only person, I can't sit there and call my coach. I can't blame my caddy. I can't do this because ultimately like I'm the decision maker. I'm the one that has to go out there and execute. And so, you know, people are trying to look for people to blame and, and, you know, kind of dispel responsibility too.

But man, the guy that does that, it's not going to operate very long and it's not going to be very successful. Have you ever hit, well, tell me some of the things you've hit with balls that like, weren't supposed to be hit. Have you ever hit, well, tell me some of the things you've hit with balls that like weren't supposed to be hit. Have you ever hit a person with a ball? Yeah, I hit the same volunteer in Canada back-to-back days. Oh, wow. What are the odds of that? The back-to-back days, the same lady. You mean like she's like down, was she down the, what is it, the fairway, the golf course?

Yeah. So basically just imagine like a hole that works right to left and you had a chance to like, you could hit it out here. You could basically like be super aggressive and like hit it over these trees. Well, I hit it over the trees, but like I hit it through the fairway where these volunteers were, they were kind of, you know, corralling all the people around the fairway. And I drilled her. And where did it hit her?

One, like, hit her, like, right in the leg. And then the next day, I one-hopped it in her pocket. Like, we had to get a ruling, like, to come. And they had to basically not get to drop it and whatever. But the same way, I knew, I told my kid, cause you can't really see where the ball lands. And I just told my caddy, it's like, if that lady's there again, sure enough, we turned the corner and I was like, oh my goodness. Cause I basically hit the exact same shot I hit the day before.

Hey, was she hot? No, she's about 65 years old. She wasn't 65 and hot? No. Here's my theory. Here's my theory. Here's my theory. When I play Frisbee, I can always tell, like, when I'm at the beach, and, like, you throw a bad throw and it goes into a group of hot chicks, it's because, like, I was looking over there, you know?

Like, the Frisbee goes where you throw it. You know what I mean? Or, like, if I want to throw it really hard at someone and I miss them, it's because I really didn't have the, like, the tenacity to really hit them with the Frisbee. So I'm thinking there's some hot chick down the fairway two days in a row, and instead of paying attention to what you're doing, you just drilled her. No.

Bad theory? Unfortunately, I couldn't. Yeah, that's probably a bad theory. Maybe at some other tournaments, but this lady was super nice. I mean, if you've ever met anyone from Canada, they're just almost – Very nice. It's impossible for them to say anything bad. So, I mean, she could have been super pissed that I hit her, but she was very nice.

And thankfully didn't say anything bad about me. But yeah, that's in all the things that I've hit in my career. Hitting the same lady back to back days was definitely up there. And the odds of that are very small. When, when are very small. When, when very small, have you actually ever heard of anyone doing that? No, I've seen some bad, I've seen some bad hits though. Not myself hitting,

but actually the worst in my career was revolve around a situation where I did not hit someone. So it was the same situation. You kind of, you got a chance to be real aggressive with a driver or you can kind of lay up over here while I was super aggressive and hit it up and I'm, you know, kind of pushed it offline a little bit. Well, as we get up over the hill, you can't see where your ball lands. There's a, you know, you know, kind of middle-aged dad with a, uh, probably a eight or nine year old kid and the kid is laying on the ground and

the dad's like neural massaging, like rubbing him. And I start freaking out like running, like we're calling it EMTs. We're calling every what, I mean, I've just, in my mind, I've just killed a kid and my son, this was a long time ago. My son was about three months old. So first time, dad, I see this little boy on the ground, all the emotions that you could imagine coming into it. And just like, I mean, we need any person that has any medical to come help the situation.

And so everyone in our groups involved uh every everything that take and so we start running this was years ago so i was running pretty slow i felt like i was running fast uh and just man and i get about 10 feet from him and the kid pops up and the dad's like gotcha oh i just like i told the kid i said you just you did what your dad told you to do but you guys cannot do that like and my caddy what my caddy had to be like held back my caddy knew everything that was happening to me. I'm a new father. You know, the emotions of hitting anyone is rough, but you seeing like I'm just visioning my son laying on the ground. This was at the PGA Tour? This was at a tournament.

This was in San Antonio. You know what's kind of cool about that? One time before I had kids, my wife told me on April Fool's that she was pregnant, and I didn't know it was April Fool's. And I was actually just about to go into a big meeting like 30 minutes before. And she goes, I'm pregnant. And, and she didn't course correct me for like three hours. And my whole brain was reeling like, Oh my God, I got to do all this shit with my life. And I got to do this. I can't believe I'm going to have a kid and blah, blah, blah. We weren't even married at the time.

I was just freaking out. Right. And told me april fool and i want i mean this is a little different no one was hurt but i wanted to get upset at her but i quickly caught myself i'm like wow what a great free i just got a free experience like a it was like being in a virtual a virtual reality chamber you know what i mean oh that's how i'm gonna react like a little bitch you know yeah i mean situations like that are definitely different, but. Especially when you have more and more to play, right? He sent your adrenaline through the roof. He changed your whole being and you have more to play.

Yeah. My caddy was like beyond furious to the point. Like is that on the internet somewhere? Did someone film that? beyond furious to the point like is that on the internet somewhere did someone film that no my the it it got to the point where the dad had to be escorted off like it was that uncomfortable which i mean that sucks for that kid too i mean he just i mean if i if i told my son to lay down on the ground and act like you know someone hit him my son's like sure my dad told me to do it let's do it some borat shit or johnny knoxville shit yeah man which is just it's crazy how it all worked out but that to get back to your what i did but my the craziest one was the one that involved i didn't hit him but they made it seem like the shot in the pocket school have you have you broken a window uh no because you're going to i saw that video of you shooting them out of your uh

gym no no if i hit my if i hit my house i definitely need to quit that shows how little i understand about golf because when i see you hitting that i'm like my god how is he doing that here how do you flip the camera? So this is my little office. I'm not in there very much. And that's actually, there you see my kid, the kids out there. That's my son and his buddy, but that's actually where the gym is. And you see where the hitting mat goes. So I kind of got to hit it right over the top of where I am. Has anyone hit your house? Have you had any buddies over and they hit the house? No. I got some land to the left of where I live,

and there's been a few guys I've tried to hit a couple, but they most of the time go our left down the driveway. When I was a kid, I don't know, 16, 17, I had a friend who was also the friend i've only gone golfing with he he we snuck onto a course and and he i think it was like in the fifth grade and he just gave me a putter and i played the whole course with the putter at night but um this guy also was in a baseball and after baseball games he would want to get autographs and one time we were in oakland we were in oakland a's game and we went to a hotel like a Hilton

that's nearby there after the game and it was us and just like 30 of the hottest women you've ever seen and they weren't there for autographs does the PGA Tour have that too? like just like hot chicks like looking for eligible young

golfers to you know to be their Prince Charming? I'm trying to paint it in a nice light. Pro shoppers? Yeah, is that what they're called? So they do have them, pro shoppers. Yeah, you can definitely tell a difference between a wife and a girlfriend

solely based on what shoes they wear. Wow. Like you're not going to catch my wife like a rainy day, like in some like Louis Vuittons. I mean, she's going to be in some like, not to say that, I mean, my wife definitely has some shoes that she could wear, but just like, all right, I'll put my time in. Like, I know what I'm about to have to go deal with. I'm gonna go watch my husband play and I'm not gonna go trounce around the mud in my you know whatever and but it's like you can see like the ones that are all dolled up and then like the moms are like the ones that have definitely

put their time in and you know kind of everything that goes on with that do all you guys stay at the same hotel all the golfers no I try to stay away from everyone like in a vrbo or yeah airbnb or rent a house and just where you have a little bit more control in the situation i like to cook and you know i stay with some other guys that plan to work some good buddies of mine and you know just the opportunity to kind of get away manage from there um so you go to the doctor he gives you you all this news. You find out you don't have to die. You quit the Dr. Pepper. You begin your journey to health. Where does CrossFit come in? How does that pop up on your radar? It kind of slowly but surely. I mean, I knew Rich through college and

No shit? Yeah. Did you go to Tennessee Tech? I did. So I'm a I did so I'm a year older I'm a year I'm a year older than he is uh so we had a bunch of mutual friends and you know started doing some training and started doing this started doing that and you know we didn't know each other in college we knew each other after the fact and you kind of start figuring it all out and you know just like I mean imagine you start playing basketball and you have access to Michael Jordan right right I know you kind of start figuring it all out. And, you know, just like, I mean, imagine you start playing basketball and you have access to Michael Jordan. Right, right. I know that's weird. Michael Jordan is your like practice buddy.

And, you know, Richard's very gracious with his time and they've like different things. And it kind of just helped me through the process. Hey, try that. And, you know, kind of point me down the, you know, the path of, you know, kind of figuring out, but also like, I mean, I've been training for a little bit and start figuring out and December, 2017, uh, he sent me a text and he said, Hey, I just started this diet plan. I think you, I think they would help you a lot. It's like,

all right, he's on a diet. I probably should be on a diet. And so he introduced me to the RP strength guys. And so from January 7th, 2018 to almost the middle of September, right at almost, I went from 232 to 185 and 10 and a half, uh, in about 10 months. And I played through the whole thing. So pretty cool program those guys in Charlotte have. And there's some footage of you. Um, there's some footage of you to be quite frank where your eyes look a little red and you, you're starting to look a little thin. And I think it was probably like, I'm guessing it's somewhere in there like that like it looked like you were had maybe lost too

much weight even no yeah I mean honestly and that's where the balance comes between kind of last season is the only season I can ever remember in my life where I got into the 170s and I wasn't trying like I was eating. I was, but when you, just like when you start turning over the engine and it starts working and it's like, all right, I like the way this feels and you almost don't take in enough. So I got down to one 77, one 75. And I was like, no, I can't do this.

And you start building up a little bit, you know, better understanding and you know, how to, you know, manage all that. But last year was where I legitimately try, I was trying to do everything I possibly could to keep weight on. And it's been a unique journey to try to figure all that stuff out. But now, man, the lifting and the stuff that we've done during this quarantine time, it's fairly aggressive so

i definitely have we'll have some nice reserve as far as when we start going back on the road so they send you these meals i've seen you show them and they're basically in a little plastic container you peel the lid off you fry it or you cook it or you warm it up whatever you do and then you eat it yeah and you basically have to stay within that sort of caloric nutritional, whatever they give you. Right. And you were saying that, um, you know, after you, I think you said you basically take it one day at a time. And one of the things that you really focus on is, is if you do have a cheat meal, never have to have two cheat meals in a row that it's always like, you kind of had a phrase behind why you do that. Oh, never have two bad meals in a row yeah i mean i just

think you know just like anything if like you should know sorry you shouldn't have a cheat day it's okay to have a cheat meal right sorry go on yeah i mean and you you start talking about like your basic you were talking about the sugar content and the math of everything like that i mean if you understand of any part of of just caloric values and everything and averages, and I know it doesn't physiologically work out exactly this way, but if you're a 2,000-calorie guy and you're training and you're doing everything for six days and you take in 10,000 calories in that cheat day, the average out over the course of the week is surplus.

And surplus leads to weight gain, you know, fat content, everything. And it's just, you're, you know, shooting an elephant with a BB gun is essentially what you're doing. You think you're doing something that eventually will cause greatness, but eventually you just slowly, but surely you're just pissing the elephant off and it's going to turn around and stomp you. And so understanding just kind of how to, you know, your body processes, those kinds of things and, and help her from there. But the trifecta guys have been great. The RP strength guys have been great. And they have a main, I sent for almost 52 straight when I sent Monday morning at about 7 a.m. a picture in my underwear with my body weight to a person that I had never even to this day have never met. I've talked to him on the phone, FaceTime, Zoom a bunch of times.

But I've seen pictures on a few porn sites. They're cool. That guy's making a killing on the side. few porn sites they're cool that guy's making a killing on the side now he signed up that was the first thing i when i talked to nick shaw that was the first thing i said is like hey i'm paying for this you're not using this for marketing this is so i'm not doing this for anyone other than me so uh that was one of the first things that i did uh but i mean you're talking about accountability it worked and they got me sorted out pretty quick are you the fittest golfer on the tour uh as far as probably total uh ability to kind of go across all genres probably like um there are guys put a challenge out to any guy on the tour like hey you want a piece

you want a piece of uh sc a piece of Scott Stallings? Let's bring them over to the barn or let's do a, let's do something over at Mayhem for some charity or something. Oh, I lost you. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry about that. I do not disturb. You got me on that? Yeah. Yeah. We're so casual. You can disturb all you want. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I've trained with quite a few guys on tour now and, you know, I do it a little bit different than most.

But, you know, I think everyone just especially starting to see some of the physical changes like, man, I want to kind of see what he did to make some of that stuff happen and go from there. But I know for certain there's a few guys I definitely wouldn't want to train with. Like my buddy Camilo Villegas, who's like a borderline Tour de France bike rider. I have zero interest in that. I'll go ride a bike for a few miles and that'd be it. I could do a biker workout for an hour and be fine, but he wants to go like ride the border of Florida. It's like, I am out. I am out on that. And I know there's some guys, some yoga guys, and you may be a little bit more like traditional, like, you know, bodybuilding style workouts, not necessarily overly interested in that. I like to try to do

a little bit of everything. I actually have been running way more. I knew I had to do some kind of like long steady state cardio with some of the lifting that we were doing. Or, man, I was just going to blow up. And so that's been good. I've always enjoyed running for some reason, even though at one time in my life I was very, very, very, very bad at it. How much more do you love golf clothes now that you're fit are you stoked i get to wear you like this colored shirt but you wouldn't wear that out you wouldn't wear that out for like you have to wear a collared shirt right

and tuck it in and all that you guys have a dress code yeah i mean it just seems like it would be so much better like without that thing clinging to your gut and you always pulling it off all the time. And now you just get to go out there and be like, yeah, I look good. I just focus on my game. Yeah, I don't think I necessarily thought about that before. I had some outfits that probably weren't as aesthetically pleasing. I played the Masters one time. I had to wear these white pants and white belt and this pale green shirt.

That was a tough look. You look like a pear out there or what? Yeah. Like a, like not even a round one, kind of like a dimply one, like one that you would look get in the grocery store and kind of be like, you'd take it to the clerk and be like, y'all shouldn't sell this. and be like, y'all shouldn't sell this. Six pages of notes.

It's a new record for me. It just shows you're a completely lack of knowledge on a sport that you know nothing about. Okay. I feel like you're getting a little agitated with me and you want to go, but I got a couple more questions. You're going to bear with me here? No, I think it's great, man. This has definitely been one of my favorite interviews, if not my favorite interview I've ever done. So I appreciate your. I'm going to come at you hard here. You ready? It's going to be a little aggressive.

Listen. In 2011, you did an interview at the Greenbrier Classic when you won, and you kept referring to your caddy, but you never gave his name. And I'm thinking, this fucking guy, he obviously loves his caddy. I don't know anything about caddies. I don't know if you have the same caddy for the whole tour, if you've had the same caddy since you're 12. I'm almost offended that you don't use your dad as your caddy. I don't know anything about caddies, but why don't you say his name

and tell me, like, what is a caddy to you? Like, you're telling me, like, the only caddy story we've heard so far is that your caddy had to be held back from beating up this kid's dad because of the stunty pool. So he must love you, but for some reason you won't drop his name. You don't want anyone to steal him. Okay, go. His name was Josh Bram, if that makes you feel any better.

And I referenced him throughout the interviews as far as different things, but probably in that one particular interview, I just referenced my caddy. So now it's versus what you said versus what I'm saying. Okay, you're pushing back a little bit. And I'm going to say that in this one area, I probably know a little bit more about it. I physically was there. I spoke the words. And you did a 30-minute, maybe not even a search as far as just to figure out ways to just give me a bunch of grief.

And on my fourth white claw. Oh, my gosh. You drink white claws? I dilute them with Perrier to kind of give them a little uppity up a little uppity up oh man you can't come back from that so josh graham was the caddy in 2011 yes and how many times have you used him and what's the relationship between a caddy and a golfer yeah it's uh it's a lot of relationships. I mean, I spend a bunch of time with caddies.

And, I mean, when I'm on the road, I spend more time with my caddy than I do with my wife. And so Josh caddied for me for about three years. And so we won the Greenbrier, and then we won the next year in Mississippi. And so he's been battling some health issues and some different things in his own life. And, uh, he's kind of slowly but surely making a comeback to be back out there on tour. The more money you make, do the more money they make?

Absolutely. They're all, they're salary plus percentage based. And how do you choose your caddy? All personal. I could have you caddy for me. Oh shit. I mean, it would be awful, but I mean, I'd probably laugh a lot. Oh, I'd be just talking to you the whole time. You'd fucking hate it. You would hate it. You'd be like, Hey, I'll talk to you one hour a year on your podcast. Other than that, get the fuck out of here. So you so and how did you meet josh

or how so so let me forget how you met josh so when josh tells you hey i'm going to take a break from you from caddying are you offended and are you in a panic to find a new guy no i mean that the the golf world's very small and the the caddy world is very small and it's pretty tight knit group, uh, throughout and, you know, makes a, you know, it was a, and it's business too. I mean, you're trying to, you know, figure out what you're comfortable with and, you know, who feels like it's going to make you the best. And, uh, everyone kind of understands when you step into that world, I mean, uh,

a caddy could do everything right. And for whatever reason still loses job, depending on what kind of attitude his boss has. Um, are caddies want to be professional golfers? No, some of them were professional golfers. I know a couple of guys that caddy on tour, uh, that used to play and, you know, for whatever reason, injury, whatever. to play and you know for whatever reason injury whatever any caddies that are dating their golfer like like couples men on men women on women man on women like any couples out there couple caddies maybe on the lpga tour which is the ladies tour you can get a little bit of that but i am unaware of anything that's happened like that on the pga

tour because some kids wow god the pga is so 1950 um some because because you can you work out with your wife without fighting uh fighting strong is there friction between you if you're working out with her uh yeah we do not work out together i actually just right before we did i wrote her a workout she was doing it while i was talking to you um i just saw her come up from the gym so she finished and she gave me the middle finger so see how that that's a good workout that is a good workout she had she had five minutes uh she had like some basic you know traditional kind of training, you know, some five by fives and this, but after every round,

she had to do two minute wall sit and a two minute plank. So she's walking kind of funny right now. Why'd you give me wall sit and plank? Cause I'm trying to make your ass bigger and your stomach tighter. Yeah. I just, her middle finger is working really well. She's not injured because some couples don't work out together at all. Me and my wife, we love working out together, but I was just imagining like, could you have your wife as your caddy or would that be? She caddied like mini tours and stuff and that was way more financially

driven than uh and i mean we'd have arguments you're like you didn't hit your seven iron at all um yesterday you don't need it like so oh like she's trying to lighten the bag yeah oh shit yeah that that those conversations were very short-lived wait a second you the audio went out a little bit are you telling me your wife's noticed that you didn't use a club one day so she wanted to take it out of the bag so she didn't have to carry it yeah so we were playing this one tournament in florida and you know you know you you change golf balls and all these different things as far as your equipment and i had taken all the balls out of my bag, and I was replacing them with new ones.

And I came out of the car, and I had a couple sleeves of balls, and I was getting ready to put them in the bag. She's like, you think you need all those balls today? I was like, well, I mean, I normally keep this many in the bag. She's like, I never knew. She's like, if that's your attitude, why are we out here? If you think you're going to need that many balls? I was like, I never knew. She's like, if that's your attitude, why are we out here? If you think you're going to need that many balls. I was like, golly.

So she didn't last very long. She decided her support was better utilized elsewhere. How, so is every caddy golfer situation different situation different like some caddies are just like hey I don't the golfers like I don't want you to say a word to me don't talk to me another like hey if you see me pick the wrong club go ahead and advise me is it just isn't that broad yeah everyone is totally different you know some guys are super involved some guys are just bag carriers and all the other stuff in between some guys are family members some guys are this some guys are super involved. Some guys are just bag carriers and all the other stuff in between. Some guys are family members. Some guys are this. Some guys are that. Just kind of everything.

Are you allowed to drink while you're playing? No. You couldn't even if you wanted to? I mean, there's probably ways to do it. No, but I mean legally. They don't want you out there. I'm not hammering white claws. I'm out there. Maybe what's your problem with white claw? You don't do a white claw. It seems like it's, it says zero and zero. And you know, it's like zero carbs, zero sugar.

Tell me why I shouldn't be drinking those. I just like, I'm out. I'm not, I feel like that's a millennial thing. Even though I found out, my sister told me that I was a millennial. I didn't believe her. And I actually am falling. I'm like, I'm like OG, like old guy millennial. So I don't know how to relate to these guys that like sleep till noon every day. That beard with that kind of bald spot you have right there.

Just your Davidckham fucking 2004 hairdo that shit keeps you out of the millennials for sure that is great when when what is the life expectancy of a golfer like when when are you like people are like jesus scott you're old. I mean, can you go to your first year? Yeah. I mean, there, there's a senior tour as well, like a champions tour. That's what it's called. I mean, you could play golf for a long time, especially as a professional. Um, I think that's going to change as just as far as, I mean, the tour just did a new TV deal and like the money that guys are going to play for over the next 10 years is like, you're going to eventually get to the point of like, I don't

have to play. And- What do you mean you lost me? I don't get it. What do you mean? Well, I mean, you know, in the next four years, our number one earner in golf will be higher or on par with the major five sports in as far as top earner. So say average, so Jordan Spieth in 2015 made more money on the course than anyone had ever made, made like $ 22.8 million dollars and he made half of what ben roethlisberger made and they went eight and eight missed the playoffs so it's like we got our we got our guys having their career of career years and he made half of a guy that you know just signed a huge contract and you know missed missed the playoffs and this guy won every tournament you could think of right so with the new TV deal and all the stuff with FedEx and everything that

comes along that are our top guy will at least be in the conversation of highest paid in every sport. So guys are going to be playing for more money than they ever played for. So a guy turns 40 years old, he's played 15 years on tour. It's like, Oh, I have to play. Right. I made plenty of money in my career. I can go do what I want and, you know, enjoy life.

And I think you're going to see guys more and more as they just the competitive nature of what we do and the grind that it takes. Like you're going to see guys get to the point where they don't have to. Yeah. You're the only bad part about your job that I've heard is the travel. That is a lot of travel. Yeah, it's a lot. What's the minimum amount of tours you have to be in to stay eligible? Like what's the minimum? 15. So I guess conceivably you could travel if you were just,

you could travel 15 weeks. Yeah, those are very, those guys that do that are very few and far between. And one of them is named tiger woods oh did he have to go back down to like your minors shit like didn't he have some bad years or something did he have to or do they give him an exemption no uh i actually uh know the math on this because i asked it one day if you took, so if you win 20 times on tour, you're exempt for life. So he would be exempt for four lifetimes. But if you, if you took his career exemption away,

he would be exempt into like 3000. So he's good. Yeah. It's 2020. it's 2020 like he will be dead for a while. Wow. But just based off of like how all the exemptions work for all the tournaments and stuff that he's won. So, um, it's, let me ask this, this is the last question for my bladder explodes. Ready? Okay. Is there how many of the guys who entered the PGA, okay is there how many of the guys who enter the pga what percentage of the guys who enter the pga don't ever win a tournament uh more than you would think um how do you know what i've got

i don't know based on some of these questions i don't know that's a scary place in that uh you know it is man what what you got going on up here it is a touch a touch of gray is that natural that is real gray you think i just dyed that i don't know man it looks so good you think i just dye my hair gray so i look smart on these podcasts what i'm trying to do is i'm trying to leave on a note where i'm like this guy this guy's one won on the tour three times right yes and i'm just trying to leave on a note like this is the fucking amazing what he did i don't know i'm trying to like leave on a high note and i'm making fun of you just for men and you made fun of my patchy i mean that's pretty good for me man i'm not a huge beard guy hey josh bridges can't go there grow

there you're in good company you are in good do you know graham holmberg yeah he uh actually give uh him and dan bailey came and watched me uh at in memorial in dublin this year and we made we were making fun of graham because he came out like all golfed out and he, I, I can't stand white belts maybe because when back before I was in halfway decent shape, I had to wear a decent amount of white belts and I just looked awful. And Graham came out there and obviously he's in great shape, but he, even if you're in great shape, it doesn't give you the ability to have to wear a white belt. So I was just making fun of him. And then Dan thought it was hilarious. the ability to have to wear a white belt so i was just making fun of him and then dan thought it was hilarious yeah graham's great i went golfing with him and his dad once i didn't actually golf i just

sat in the in the cart and like talk shit the whole time but he's great it caught it up yeah so you don't know is it you had no no i wasn't white clawing it up is this pre-white claw um so you don't know how few, is it less than 50%? Like guys will come in and do half of them never win? Maybe more, honestly, more than that. I mean, you go through, to say, I said there's 175 guys and there's 40 plus events. And you'll have the rare occasion where you have a guy win two or three

times so through the course of a season you'll have 30 guys win so man it's a small percentage considering the number of guys that actually have a tour card so everything that kind of goes along with that and then you go over the course of years and everything I know guys that have played on tour for 10 years that have won. Wow it doesn't stress you out at the course of years and everything. I know guys that have played on tour for 10 years that haven't won. Wow. It doesn't stress you out at the end of every year, the beginning of every year, this can be your last year? Like, oh, shit, I could get knocked out?

No, man. Not to say that I don't have any stresses or anything like that, but I wake up every single day and get to do what i love right i get to train i get to train hard i get to play and practice with the best players in the world and you'll go out there and try to compete against them and i mean that's gets me if that doesn't get you fired up nothing will and a fit aid will a creatine fit aid will yeah man i just did a i just did a deal with those guys. They're on my collar on tour, and I'm going to get fired up.

So ask Aaron and Orion about the first time they worked out. I did a workout with them at their HQ, and it was an interesting day. Did someone vomit? No. Orion just threatened to exit all these conversations we've had may have just ended may have just what ended but uh we may have just ended just because of he was hurting pretty bad so they had just been on a trip uh away and uh he had maybe indulged a little bit but man those guys are great dudes and I've enjoyed being with them. Yeah, they're right down the house for me. I'm addicted to the

to the Fit8, unfortunately. Hey, man, honestly, how I got introduced to them is a friend of mine started drinking them to help him get off of soda. And once I got on water and started trying to figure out something else to kind of, uh, scratch that from there. Yeah. It went, I got like one minute before I got to run and go chase my daughter. I got to go. I got to go. I'm just going to hang up on you. I always got to go. It's my show. Okay. Hey man, this was awesome. You were fantastic. Truly one of my favorite interviews I've ever done. And I appreciate it. Anything we can do, let me know. Awesome. Thanks, Scott. If you're in Santa Cruz, look me up. Oh, when you come out here and see Dave, I'll be here. That'd be awesome, man. Okay. Thank you, buddy.

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