The Sevan Podcast - #112 - Adam Neiffer

Episode Date: August 26, 2021

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absolutely perfect. It could not have been any better. We've gone from probably one of our most... How would you describe Ms. Horvath? I got damaged yesterday, Adam. Damaged. Damaged. What do you mean damaged? Damaged. Well, we had

a guest that just whooped my ass. Just like... I got so many positive remarks feedback yesterday it's really loud i can't hear someone i can't hear someone adam do you have a blow are you in a room is your wife blow drying your hair in that room oh never mind there it goes all better yeah we did do you know who laura horvath is she's a crossfit games athlete she's fit yeah yeah yeah yeah same same girl we had her on yesterday and i guess i had heard that she she didn't do she doesn't really do podcasts i guess that that was like you know i guess that

was a special i guess we got lucky to get her on right it's the only one she's done since the games and uh now i know why i mean i know like i figured she just she beats up on the host huh oh man oh man but in this case people love it when the guest beats up on the host so it worked out probably your most popular episode yet i prefer someone to come on here and tell me how great i am and they've been listening to me since day one i mean she's like i did not want to do your podcast i'm like oh shit yeah well how about ben how about ben smith your coach do you think he'd want to come on no he would not want to come on this show either i'm like oh all right and then it was just fucking it was great it was great there was it was there was there was some hugging but a lot of you jabs i guess it was like a boxing match sometimes you hug sometimes you jab

sounds like sounds like great entertainment adam would you pronounce your last name for me knifer are you sure we're live? No, I have no idea. Oh, no, not you. Sorry, that was for Ryan. I like it, but you can answer for Ryan. Adam.

Adam, can you pronounce Justin's last name? Medeiros. Oh. How come no one knew this until halfway through this game season? For the last two years, everyone's been saying it wrong, come no one knew this until halfway through this game season for the last two years everyone's been saying it wrong and no one no one knew you know uh shoot a lot of people didn't know him before last year so i mean when you read it you think madaris but uh right now people are starting to know and he doesn't correct anyone either. No, I think it's one of those things he's been used to his whole life. So it doesn't like bother him one way or another, but I think he appreciates the fact that people know how to pronounce it now.

And you're Adam Neifer. Knifer. Knifer. Jesus Christ. How am I going to remember that? I better just, I'm going to draw a picture of a knife on my. There you go. Knifer. That's his knife on my knifer. That's his last name, Knifer. Like knife.

Can you show us all what a picture of a knife looks like when you draw it? No. Adam Knifer has competed in the CrossFit Games for the first time in 2000. If you're looking on the game site, that's probably going to be inaccurate. I am not. I'm not. I'm just talking slow so you can make me sound smart. You can jump in. This could be like ad libs. We can show Adam how well we work together if you want, Brian. Actually, this is tough.

It's difficult to track the team rosters going back unless you were around back then and you were accurately keeping up with them as you go which as far as i know there's only one person who has that information so adam can tell us how many times he's been competing at the games and when he started but the game site most likely cannot adam knifer has been competing at the crossfit game since 2009 2009. I guess. I knew it. 2009. Adam has been around CrossFit so long

that when I was talking to him recently, I asked for his phone number, and then when I punched into my phone, I had seen that we had exchanged text messages in a previous lifetime. It's been a while. We were already friends, and I had forgotten, and then now we're rekindling.

Yep. Has that ever happened to you? That's so weird. When I go into like my, I punch your name into my phone and I'm like, holy shit. Like I have a relationship with this guy and I'm asking him for his phone number.

No, it makes me feel terrible. It should not make you feel terrible. It should not make, I don't even know my kids birthdays no not not the fact that you you forgot but like when that happens to me where like oh i i'm like hey can i get your phone number and i plug it in and it's like it comes up and i'm like oh man i feel like a jerk it's it's yeah don't that's just age that's just we're just we're just climbing up up the ranks.

I appreciate that. So you competed in the games at Aromas? Right, yeah. There wasn't a team competition there, though. That was individual? No, 09 was the first kind of, I guess, affiliate cup year. Wow. I've always told you guys how lame team competition and masters is but this really is the icing on the cake this guy may have been to more crossfit games and just about anyone alive and now finally he's getting a little love and attention because

he's justin madero how do you say his name madaris's madaris's coach madaris' coach. Medaris' coach. Unbelievable. The disrespect for the team competition. No, it's not. I mean, the team competition, and back then too especially, nobody did it for the recognition or for the sponsorships or any of that stuff at all. It's just like we just did it because it was fun. You know what I mean? Working out with your friends and you get to do it at the CrossFit all. It's just like, we just did it because it was fun. You know what I mean?

Working out with your friends and you get to do it at the CrossFit games. Uh, it's just a good time. And you still don't. What's that? You still don't do it for the recognition or the fan. 100%. Yeah.

I spent a couple hours like watching your interviews yesterday and, and trying to find what little I can about you on your Instagram. He has so few posts, you'd think he hates social media. And there's like no, you know, what's interesting too is on one end, Medeiros has someone like you who's just so old school, right? In terms of that, like belief. And then on the other hand, he's got someone like Matt Fraser and like, like matt won't take a picture next to like a motorcycle unless that company sponsoring him i mean he is like you know what i mean like he doesn't want anyone to see his iphone until apple gives him a sponsorship i mean

that guy is just i mean he is he he has a plan right like this plan is just to make him money and so he can like retire and just ride off into the sunset but then you got a good old boy like you on the other end but still in madaris's camp it's just like let's work out yeah man yeah i think uh yeah that's interesting about matt though i i got to spend some time with him for the first time this year and uh man it was it was awesome it was just like uh i get that perception of him and you know matt a lot better than i do probably but when he invited us out to spend four days in vermont before the games it was literally just like he was there just helping justin just like um you know, watching Justin work out, visiting with me,

providing tips and stuff here and there. But like, it never felt like anything businessy or, or, or something like that. He didn't have you sign the waiver and pay the $22 entry fee when you walked into his gym. No, man, honestly, his gym was like getting set up and he was, he was putting up shelving to put like his dumbbells on the rock and stuff like that. I'm joking about the $22 fee, but Matt runs a tight ship. I'm actually surprised he didn't have you sign a waiver. Yeah. So you went out there for four days. Tell me about this affiliate you own. Why did you open an affiliate? You own CrossFit Fort Vancouver. Is that in Washington State? Yep. Yes, sir. this affiliate you own why did you open an affiliate you own crossfit fort vancouver is

that in washington state yep yes sir that's right across the river from um that shithole that i call some people call portland it's right across the river and people i'm not saying that like to be mean that's a objective truth portland is a shithole a full of zombies sorry if you like that town but i spent a lot of time. No, it wasn't. It was amazing 10 years ago. Amazing. A place for entrepreneurship. A place where young people could get ahead in the world.

Tons of arts and craftsy, cool liberal stuff. Good energy for the liberal folk. Good pizzas, good music, good everything. and now it's just turned into a sorry so you're but i've heard amazing shit about vancouver washington amazing and and and we have a mutual friend who probably lives there too the alvarez's oh yeah yeah uh wait does

she come in and work out in your gym? Alvarez. Alvarez? Miranda and Julian? I may be saying that last name wrong. Brian could probably help us. So, Ivan, do you know that usually in the comments there's like an over-under on number of mispronunciations you'll have in an episode? Oh, like a betting thing?

Yeah. Everyone always takes the over. What does that mean? Does that mean they think I'm going to make more mispronunciations? Hey, we have Adam Knifer on. Everyone always takes you over. What does that mean? Does that mean they think I'm going to make more mis... Hey, we have Adam Knifer on. Let's not make this about me. Adam Knifer. Well done.

Knifer. So is it that same Vancouver? That's the Vancouver? You're in that same town? Yeah. Is Miranda and Julian? Yeah, we are. Do you ever see them?

Occasionally. A little bit more when they first moved up um but we do uh yeah we do have mutual friends that we see from time to time and uh yeah not like like daily or anything like that but yeah we're in the same the same uh locale and uh right across the river from portland we uh yeah i think back to your question about opening the gym i was fighting fire i was doing wildland fire um like i don't know pretty much oh four through oh nine and uh started crossfit during that time as well and um man just saw how impactful uh doing crossfit was for our crew

of wildland firefighters we had 20 20 folks on the crew. And when, when they started doing CrossFit, it was like a game changer for our job. Like we all, we all got better at our job, which is super physically demanding. Um, pretty much just hiking around with chainsaws and tools and, uh, working in the woods. And when the crew started CrossFit, like I said, it, uh, it just, it made us better at our jobs physically. We, uh, we became a much stronger team, and I love that. So in the offseason, I started coaching CrossFit. And the more I did that, the more I was like, whoa, the impact that I can make through this is far greater than even what I was doing fighting fire.

And so sometime around 2008, I decided, hey, this is something I want to do. And at the time, there was a CrossFit gym in Portland, but nothing going on in Vancouver. And this is where I lived. So it just made sense. Tell me about wildland fire. What does that mean? Wildland fire. So like forest fire type of stuff.

Not structured fire, not like a city municipal department, but, um, you know, fires that are out in the woods. Do you guys have like a station? Do you guys sleep somewhere and then like you go down a pole and the Dalmatian and you guys go fight the fire? No, not at all. Uh, the crew I was on is, it's called a hotshot crew and it's, uh, it's 20 individuals that each have a very specific job or task within the

team. And typically our season would start in about May and we would just travel the country. It's a national resource. So we're not really tied down to one area. Typically we'd start in the Southwest, like Arizona, or sometimes in Alaska, the season would kick off up there. And then we would just kind of follow the fire season wherever it would go and our schedule is usually like 14 days on and two days off uh throughout the whole summer months and then there's an off season once winter comes ryan can you pull up a picture of like when you google hot shot fire people who don't live in the united states this is a job like there's things you you if you're a parent you don't want your kids to do you don't want them to be drug dealers and you don't live in the United States, this is a job like there's things you – if you're a parent, you don't want your kids to do. You don't want them to be drug dealers, and you don't want them to be hotshot firefighters.

This is some scary shit. Of course. Of course. This is – There's a hotshots hero workout. Yeah, hotshots19. You know Adam I don't know why I didn't put it together When I was on your Instagram last night

Boy it's even emotional Thinking about that shit I was on your Instagram last night And you were taking your kids to watch them Guys rappel off of helicopters Oh yeah And it's just crazy to think that 20 guys or five guys or even a hundred guys little tiny human beings you know young men with fucking

axes can do anything to stop a fire right it's nuts like it's just this massive wall of flames and you guys are supposed to go in there with like no water and like dig some sort of trough that stops like this force of nature i mean it's it's nuts yeah i mean it doesn't even make sense to those of us who don't understand the physics i guess of fire yeah no you're right you're right. You're right. But there's like, I mean, it's like anything that the professionals that are out there working every day, like they're really, really good at their jobs. And, you know, there's not a, they don't go out there and, you know, try to attack a 50 foot wall of flames. If it's a, we call it like direct or indirect attack. And basically if the, if the

fire length is like four feet or less, you can, you can be right on an indirect attack. If it's, if it's a big wall of flames, you're like, uh, kind of pulling back and creating a bigger box and, uh, usually like backburning and eliminating the fuel between where the fire is at right now and where you want to box it in. How long did you do that? I did five seasons. That's crazy, too. It's like you don't stay at a firehouse. You chase the fire.

You basically live in like a bread truck. You just drive around with your friends. And it's, I mean, it's the best. It's like an ideal job when you're like 20 years old 22 years old and uh you just get to drive around the country with your buddies and uh you know you'd be out on the side of a mountain in the middle of nowhere that nobody would ever go and you're just having lunch with your best friends and it's like man this is it's pretty cool job yeah you probably see a lot of cool shit. Did your parents, what did your mom and dad think when you told them you were doing that?

They loved it. Both my mom and dad also worked for the Forest Service when they were younger as well. And so they did, I did, both my brothers did. So it's just kind of like something our whole family has done. And you're retired now? Am I retired? Yeah, from firefighting from any of that stuff uh yeah yeah i'm not i don't i don't uh i don't work for the force service or do any firefighting anymore were there any old guys were there any like by old guys i mean guys like 60 50 yeah yeah 49 actually on my crew we had like the oldest hot shot in history. He was like 62 years old. He's a legend. Ron Whitwell.

Ron Whitwell. Yeah. He had been doing it for years. Sousa, let's get him on the show. Let's get him on the show. Did he do CrossFit? You know what? He's one of those guys that just, he worked out for years and years and whether he knew it or not, he was doing a lot of the similar things that we did in CrossFit. And when we started doing CrossFit on the crew, he was all in, he was like, this is mind blowing. This is amazing. And so, um, yeah, absolutely. And he'd been doing that for decades at that point. He had, he hadn't been necessarily on a hotshot crew for decades, but he had been,

uh, just one of those jack ofof-all-trades that kind of done everything a lot of people don't know this but greg glassman actually didn't invent crossfit it was ron whitwell and uh they and greg stole everything he knows from ron whitwell i mean shit let's just be honest it's possible the reason he'd be a good guest is because you can pronounce his name right right yes yes this dude also uh could probably be a good guest is because you can pronounce his name right. Right. Yes. Yes. This dude also could probably be a nutritionist. He could, he could like cook a meatloaf and put it on, put it under his bed and come back two weeks later and eat it and be just fine.

Wow. He was really, he did stuff like that. He was all greedy. Oh yeah, man. Just the salty old. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stuff your mom would tell you if you ate that meatloaf, you die. But this guy, that's how he cooks it you guys have uh do you guys have like any unique or cool encounters with wildlife uh my first time that i went to alaska a lot of people don't know but alaska has a lot of a lot of wildfires every year um and typically the more acreage burns up there than anywhere else, um, in the country. Uh, but they're just, it's so remote that you just don't hear about it.

Um, but the first time that our crew went to Alaska, we, uh, we were like, I think we were in like a Blackhawk helicopter with skis on it. And we went and like landed in a meadow and immediately we got out and we're hiking toward this fire and there's like a moose and a baby moose that ran across the meadow and a bear that walked around us um yeah stuff like that my my superintendent yeah yeah my superintendent would walk out of the woods with like a baby spotted owl uh he was kind of a ninja he'd do stuff like that um But, yeah. So teaming with life. Teaming with life. Yeah. Heck yeah.

You know, I went to Antarctica for a movie shoot, and I was there for a couple weeks, and I could not believe the amount of wildlife. It was like, I pictured it just to be like a desert, right? And like just not see anything. It's crazy. There's everything. A couple penguins, one polar bear. All that. Just everything.

Polar bears. Not polar bears. I didn't see any polar bears, but tons of penguins, tons of birds, tons of creatures just in the sea, tons of whales. I mean, it was nuts. It was absolutely nuts. Did you ever have a fish tank, Adam? I have one right now. You do?

Do you have it because of your two daughters? Yeah. I have one right now. You do. And do you have it because of your two daughters? Yeah. And do you do like the monthly trip to the store where they pick out a fish or something? We're actually on a streak where our current fish has been alive for like probably like more than six months, which is kind of a record for us.

Wow. Yeah. Well, as a kid, I would just put too many fish in the fish tank. It would be like every month I'd be like, Mom, can we go by and I just pick out another fish? And you know, like there's the rule, like you're not supposed to have, if you put the fish from tail to nose and line them up, they're not supposed to be more fish than the length of the fish tank or something. Do you know that rule? I didn't know that rule, but it makes sense. Everyone knows it. Yeah. But, but I would, I could circle the tank like 30 times and it would be just, and that's the way Antarctica was. I was like, Jesus, God, there's too many fish in this fish tank. You're fucking up. You're really messing up here.

So, yeah, sounds like you got an overpopulated fish tank. But Antarctica sounds awesome. Oh, it was great. Getting there is horrible, horrible. I imagine. Horrible. I was in a Russian icebreaker. it's this big like boat it's like seven stories tall maybe it's like 13 stories tall and i was on the seventh floor i can't remember

but basically for four days it's just going from left to right in this massive storm as we crossed drake's passage and it was so bad i lost so weight. I basically just didn't eat for four days. It was nuts. Did you throw up a lot? No, I was on crazy, crazy meds. Oh. Crazy meds. It was weird. It was like you know you're super seasick, but you still don't get sick.

I mean, literally, you just roll and hit the wall when you sleep on one side, and then three seconds later, the boat turns on its side on the other side, and you roll and hit the wall. And all night is like that. You just bang. you sleep while you're getting banged while you're rolling it's nuts it's it's bizarre the windows in the side of the boat would go into the water because it would turn on its side like that wow yeah that doesn't sound that fun it almost sounds better to get seasick than to feel like you're super sick but just all medicated up and you would see nutty shit like you would go up to the deck and there'd be people like bringing food out and and it would

be someone like holding a platter on their hand but it would you would think you're watching like some um vaudeville circus performance because they'd be holding something with all the food on it and then when the boat would turn on its side the person because they were so good would just like they would have like ankle flexibility that was crazy. And they would be like sideways to the deck, right? While they're still holding the food up. And then as the boat stood back up, they, they changed their body angle so that the food wouldn't spill off the platter. Can you kind of picture that? Yeah. I picture a cartoon. Yes. It was like a cartoon. I couldn't even walk and they're holding a platter full of drinks and it was nuts.

Okay, so how did you guys find CrossFit? It sounds like you got in early, 2004? Yeah, 2005 is when I started doing CrossFit. This is where Laura Horvath would be like, none of your business. I do not want to talk about my origins of CrossFit. Next question. So, and how did you find it? Did someone else on the team do it? No, my brother. My brother Jake was like, hey, man, you should check out this thing, CrossFit.com.

And I had actually been playing football in college at the same time and I actually didn't like working out at all. I worked out all the time just because I felt the value of it making me better for my sport. And so we, you know, I just showed up and did what was on the, uh, the programming that we were supposed to do. And when I got done with that, I was like, man, I don't have to go to the weight room. I don't have to go work out. And, uh, and I was have to go to the weight room. I don't have to go work out. And, uh, and

I was just kind of like confused or lost. Cause I went into the place that I had been going into every day for four years with not really any sort of a plan. And my brother was like, Hey, check out crossfit.com. And I did that. And, uh, you know, the rest is history, as they say, kind of this probably a similar story to a lot of people. How did he find it? Sorry, I got a little lost in that story. No, my brother Jake was – he's just kind of like one of those people that likes to research and kind of do his own exploration. And he stumbled across it on the internet back, yeah, pretty early on. He didn't have someone that introduced it to him, but he's the person that introduced it to me.

Wow. So he found CrossFit.com. And when he found it, there were like – I mean that's early. There were no pictures on the site. There was no video. I mean I remember even in 2006 it was sparse. Yeah, there was a picture on the website every day and a workout. And then there was, I think that the community that was doing CrossFit.com was kind of like an affiliate in the sense that like, there just weren't that many people doing it. And so you kind of follow similar people. Just in the comments. Oh, right, right. I was wondering, because I think one of the first like five or ten affiliates ever was in Washington State.

I think it was maybe Curtis Bowler's affiliate. Yeah, Rainier CrossFit. I think they were the eighth affiliate and now I think they're the oldest active affiliate that still exists. How long was it before you came across them? The first affiliate that I came across was CrossFit Portland. Um, and yeah, I just started popping in there when I could kind of in the off season, the fire season, um, learning from the coach, there's a coach there named Scott Hagnis, and he was the first CrossFit affiliate owner that I met. And then, yeah, I want to say we met Curtis Bowler and his wife, Lori,

pretty early on, probably in 2009 or 10, right around there too. So you guys had already affiliated by then? Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Probably right around the same time. For people who don't know, there was a time, and this is when Adam came on the scene, basically, and everyone knew this in the community, there were two types of CrossFitters. There was people who used CrossFit to basically make sure that they didn't die at work, and there were those of us who did it because we wanted to be cool like them. What do I mean by that? Basically, CrossFit was primarily used, or the most vocal community that used crossfit was first responders it was

people who were like an adam knifers line of work or in dave castro's line of work as a seal it was basically people whose fit life depended on their fitness and without any advertising or marketing people quickly realized that for general physical preparedness there was nothing better on the planet than CrossFit. And people just embraced it and it spread like wildfire. When Adam started CrossFit, I think that, you know, there was like, I think Greg did all the seminars and all the lectures himself. And basically there was maybe like one seminar a month, if that, and it was just on demand. And, uh, boy, he is such an early adopter. I, I want to say when I came on the scene in 2006, there were 300 gyms. I think the first one was like up North Rob Wolf's gym. And that was like in 2003 or four. I mean, no, that was a, it was,

uh, Dave Warner. Oh, Dave Warner. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Up in up in seattle okay okay and he actually hosted a competition my first experience competing in crossfit was uh dave warner started uh an event called the crossfit championships um and this predated the crossfit games i know that um greg had brought up some of the athletes from santa cruz and um taking up to Seattle to compete in, you know, Dave's first kind of iteration of the CrossFit games being, uh, what he called the CrossFit championships. What year was that? Um, so I don't know the first year that they did the CrossFit championships. The first year I did it was in 2008.

Do we want to talk about this? This sounds like blasphemy, Brian. He's giving, he's sharing CrossFit games knowledge with me. We're the fucking experts and this guy's like trying to predate us rewrite history here i mean shoot it happened i love it i love it i never heard of the crossfit championships and crossfit championships yeah and i wonder if there's any like pictures or footage what tell me what year it was so the first year you went was 2008 but you're claiming that it happened before 2007, which were the official CrossFit Games?

Yep. Wow. Yeah. How did you place? In 2008, I won. You were the CrossFit Games champion at the CrossFit Games championships. Fuck, I knew Kalipa didn't win. I knew it.

No, so that was the year that you could just go to the CrossFit Games. And the championships were in, like, I want to say, like, May. It was before we got busy in our fire season and so um i could go participate and then i would have loved to have gone to the crossfit games but like i was fighting fire at the time and just didn't have the option to get you know i would have had to taken a significant amount of time off work just because you know the nature of our work is once once you go out on a

role or an assignment you're gone for a long period of time. And so it wasn't really an option for me then. But, uh, but I remember following along with it as best I could when I got back. Are you still friends with Dave Warner? Uh, like you see him? I know. I don't see him. Uh, he doesn't still have his affiliate, the original CrossFit North.

He changed CrossFit Seattle. Um, but man, if I saw, I would love to see him. I heard he drives a tugboat now. Yeah, could be. I don't know. Yeah, that sounds like a crazy job. He seems like the type of guy that could pretty much do anything. Smart dude.

Yeah. I would see him around events, but he didn't talk a lot, right? He was pretty quiet? Yeah. Yeah, I probably met him like 20 times but i don't think we exchanged six words okay he was very very very stoic but yeah he wasn't og and now you're saying he had the original crossfit championships i would next time i talk to dave i'm gonna ask him that yeah that'd be great pushes him off i don't i don't know i don't know what that's all about

but do you know what do you know what athletes greg took up there was it like annie and greg amundsen and nicole carroll like who went up there so i i wasn't i wasn't there at that time so i don't know i the the names that i heard were just hearsay and i do remember him mentioning amundsen but uh that'd be a great question for him yeah have we i don't think i've had amundsen, but that'd be a great question for him. Yeah. Have we, I don't think I've had Amundsen. Not, not since you started again, but you did have him on in like 2017. On this podcast. Yeah. Yeah.

There's some, there's some CrossFit history there. If you really want to get into it, huh? Yeah. Well, Adam, I did a list before the games of like the 10 best crossfitters of all time, but we had to be specific in our definitions. I was like, hmm, do I consider a guy like Greg Amundsen, like the forefront first fire breather type guy, but we decided it was just going to be a little bit more based on actual competition criteria. Otherwise, it gets into a lot of gray area. Otherwise it gets into a lot of gray area. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Sure.

But I mean, that's, that's when I started, I mean, it was like, Oh yeah. Videos of him. And like you said,

Annie and Josh Everett and those guys were like, yeah, these guys, this is, this is what it's all about. God. Wasn't that amazing. You'd go to the website at five o'clock and there would be Josh Everett,

like doing a snatch and you'd be like, Holy shit. Probably a split snatch. Something crazy. Yeah. I mean, at the time I didn't even know what that was when they had snatches on the main page. I'd be like holy shit probably a split snatch something crazy yeah i mean at the time i didn't even know what that was when they had snatches on the main page i'd be like oh man i'll better sub that out i better find something i know how to do

how many podcasts have you been on since madaris justin madaris is that the boy's name yeah you got it how many since he's become the fittest man alive. Man, I think this is the first one. Yeah, I think maybe I have a couple scheduled. Maybe I did a couple before that, but yeah, this is the first one since the games. Savan, hold on. Before you go on, I want to ask Adam this. Wait, you're ruining the flow of this show, Brian.

I have this whole schedule of things in the order we're going to talk about and now you fucked it all up it feels like it's very structured yeah I forgot about the script we're on the agenda stick to the plan now that's something Laura Horvath would have said yesterday but she wouldn't have laughed see like you're laughing like making it funny

like this show has no structure I quit go on go on Brian maybe it's just the accent You're laughing, like making it funny. She'll be like, this show has no structure. I quit. Go on. Go on, Brian. Maybe it's just the accent. Oh, dude. No, no, no. She hated us. But we're going to get her back on.

Oh, okay. Seven, you called Justin the fittest man alive. But when Dave Castro announced him at the games, he did not say that. And I thought it was very strange. He called him and announced him as the new male champion. And Adam, I was wondering if you guys noticed that at all, because for me that was offensive. You trained to compete at the CrossFit Games,

you trained to be called the fittest man on earth. And I haven't gone back and looked at every other announcement, but I never remember him not saying the fittest man on earth until this year when he announced him as new male champion. And that didn't sit well with me, man. I never noticed. I don't know.

I, I had no idea, honestly. Yeah. Uh, I mean, I would like, I'm supporting seven's claim that he's the fittest on earth because he's all

of all the guys who compete in the CrossFit game season and showed up, he was the champion. And that's, that's because Dave knows that Rich Froning is the fittest on earth because he's all of all the guys who compete in the crossfit game season and showed up he was the champion and that's now that that's because dave knows that rich froning's the fittest man alive and that uh and and that justin madaris is just the crossfit games champion oh yeah he didn't even call him the crossfit games champion he just called him the new male champion i thought it was very strange that's what he him the new male champion. I thought it was very strange. That's what he said, the new male champion. Is that true, Ryan? Is that true? Ryan's like biting skin off his hand. That's like, I haven't seen anyone do that since 2008.

I don't know if you guys can see Ryan. We can see Ryan. John Wellborn did that in the 2008 documentary, Every Second Counts. It's a great scene where he just bites a chunk of skin right off his hand. Ryan, does that sound right to you? I'm just struggling with i need someone to tell me that brian's wrong okay awesome but i mean at the end of the day it's just semantics right it's like yeah i i really couldn't care less i don't know if it was for something that d, I'm guessing he was just like,

Hey, we've had a male champion for a long time. This is our new male champion. And, uh, that, that was probably about it, but I'm,

uh, either way, Justin won the CrossFit games and you can't really argue with that. You really can't argue with it either. Like if, if let's say, uh, let's say he would have won, but Velner would have beat him

in that last competition then you last event yeah that last event just the way justin did it i always thought that whoever won the games this year there would be this like well matt it's because matt's not here but the way justin did it three two one and the last three workouts was kind of like i mean he he really put the hammer down he took the air out of the room in that discussion i think i i think that if you were to ask nine out of ten people let's ask brian just put brian's right brian do you think if matt would have made a run for it this year that he could have beat Justin? Yes. Never mind. There's kind of this cool thing. I thought Justin acted like a champion.

I think he acted like a champion. That's not taking anything away from Justin. Justin's championship and performance. I've been working on something and I came across a little statistic that I thought was fun. Most people will know if they were paying attention to the games this year that justin placed 15th or better in

every you know every event that was his worst event finish was 15th and it was on a pretty specialized event with very small margins in the 550 yard run but that that's kind of relevant for what i'm going to say it was in the uh it was in the muscle-up event oh that was in the muscle-up event sorry my fault um but that uh of all the five years that Fraser won, there was only one, well, 2020, we can't really count cause there weren't enough competitors to make a meaningful comparison. Um, but only once did he have a pedigree that was, that was better than that. And that was 2018 where his worst event finish was 11th, which I think was on the marathon row. Otherwise he always in all the other years had at least one finish was worse

than 15th. So this performance by Justin this year in terms of consistency over all the events, even though he didn't have a ton of event wins, he didn't have a bad performance. And that, you know, as, as people know who follow the sport is what's demanded and required if you're going to win the CrossFit Games. Yeah, no, a hundred no 100 and i think that the i mean the conversations of comparisons uh that always go on are like they're fun to do or whatnot but um but you know matt matt fraser's five championships in a row like is has uh nobody else's has done that right and so had he wanted to could he have gone for another one absolutely and could he have done it maybe he wins it maybe he doesn't but he chose not to right and same thing for justin if if matt was there would justin have not won the games possibly

would justin have won the games who knows but matt wasn't there and he did win the games. He beat everybody in the field. And so I think that the that Justin's accomplishment doesn't need to be, you know, questioned just because Matt wasn't there. And same thing with Matt's. But but it could have been questioned. I almost agree. I 99 percent agree with you on that. But because I just like talking about it. But also, it could have been questioned if Justin hadn't done it in such a dominant form. I mean, he did championship shit there at the end. Let's say he was only a few points off from Vellner. It's kind of like the Graham Holberg, Rich Froning year, the year that Graham won. You can be like, oh, man, I don't know.

year you know the year the gram won you can be like oh man i don't know like i mean you if velner would have caught up you could have been like ah velner only lost because he shit the bed on that first event but you can't even say that i mean madaris just fucking handled i mean i know it's sport i know it's sport yeah it's sport but um and the same thing would happen if velner would have won by a couple points people would have been like i don't know but either way madaris didn't that you can't have that conversation really right there's just fuck shit up no i 100 i like madaris better i really like madaris i'm struggling with madaris i'm gonna tell you i'm struggling i like madaris it's more ethnic it's more it's it's it's more romantic it's got that lat. Anyway, sorry, go ahead. All good, man. Yeah, no, you're,

I'm agreeing with you in the fact that like Justin's final day was like, yep, that's, that's what winners do. That's what champions do. And actually like the final day was it stood out because you know, three, two, one for the last three events is like, that's pretty awesome. But I think there was moments in almost every event where like he rose to the occasion and did some stuff that changed the trajectory of the weekend. Um, that you just can't take for granted. And it's just how, how champions respond when, when there's an opportunity to have a, you know, a games changing moment, uh, in a performance, in a workout, like he, he rose time and time again. moment in a performance in a workout like he he rose time and time again and we talked about a couple of those i have two two in particular that i would like to ask you about sure first one is the um wall walk thruster workout yeah from my perspective and i think i probably even texted savon and the guys while it was happening i was like justin started too fast brent's gonna reel him in and then we get to

round six i think it was this the set of six and all of a sudden justin starts cycling thrusters 185 thrusters basically at a rate that was two to one of wachowski right and he didn't back off from that point forward and um i just like to get your perspective on that workout as opposed to mine who barely knows him and you who obviously knows him super well. Yeah, no, it's interesting that your, your first, uh, perception was that he started too fast. Cause I feel like he started out actually quite slow. Um, when, you know, in terms of big carry.

Yeah. And like, not, I'm not saying, oh, I'm watching him. I'm like, oh shoot, he's going too slow. But like, he was intentional He's going too slow. But like he was intentional about breaking up the thrusters more than some of the other athletes from the get go. Um, just because it's like, well, nobody cares who wins the first or second round, like 10 and nine are insignificant. It matters like who's ahead at the end. And so, um, he started off breaking up the thrusters.

Actually he and Brent, Justin and Brent broke up the thrusters more than any of the other athletes in the round of 10. And I think had a bit more gas in the tank at the end. And it was just the whole time as he went 10, 9, 8, 7, was just looking for that opportunity to be like, okay, here's where I make my move and hold on to it. And that happened in the round of six when he went on he went on broken on thrusters and really never looked bad. I think I meant, um,

I thought he had started too fast on his cycles rate of wall walk. Oh, he was good at those, but maybe. And that was, that was really, uh, you know,

by design in the sense that like, Hey, we're going to break up these thrusters more than other people. So the wall walks have to be faster. Well, that was super impressive. And it was the first time in the weekend where I was like, damn, this guy's got something special. And then I think the second time for me, at least, was two events later, which was quite a bit of time later since that was the last event on the first day. And then there was a day off And then they had the sandbag event in the morning.

Then they had the clean, the back-to-back clean events. Yeah. So I think it was the first round of the cleans where, as you know, they had a really tight time cap, and most people weren't finishing the workout. Yeah. And if you were going to say, oh, you got 10 seconds to lift whatever, 3, 15, 25, whatever that bar was at the end. And it's Pat and Brent and Justin. Only one of them is going to hit it. Who's your money on?

Justin. I don't think that you might have put your money on Justin, but I don't think everyone would have at that moment. And he was the one who did it and the other two did not. And that was the second moment of the weekend where I was like, damn, that was critical. Yeah, no, that was huge. And that's probably, I think that's probably the most fired up he was all weekend. He came off the floor and like, he was still just like, you know, uh, just pumped, man. That was, yeah, that was a weekend that like, he just,

or that was a moment in the weekend where I think he started to have even more belief that like, yeah, I can do this. Adam Neiffer, what year did you do your L1? Back to the script. Yes, back to the script. I hate it when Brian talks about the game. That's all he talks about. It was 2008.

Okay, so you had been doing CrossFit. In what year did you open your affiliate crossfit fort vancouver in 2009 okay yeah and wow that's okay and why did you open why did you decide to open an affiliate and and are you in the same location uh we're maybe 200 yards away. Okay. Yeah. So basically same location. Uh, I mean,

why I start, why we start opening affiliate is because, you know, I, I think this is, this may be a little big, bigger picture thing, but I always talk to this,

talk about this with my team all the time. And it's like, I think we all kind of want the same three things in our, in our career, no matter what it is, whatever the career is. It's like, we all want to do something we enjoy. We want to make a positive impact and we want to, um, you know, be able to earn a living that sustains our lifestyle, whatever that looks like. And for me at the time, I had a good job fighting fire and, um, we had started doing CrossFit on the crew.

I loved coaching CrossFit. And I was like, man, I think I can help more people by opening a CrossFit affiliate than what I'm doing now. And at the time, that's why I opened the affiliate. And my boss on the fire crew was like, man, you should go for it. And, you know, you always have your job back here if it doesn't work out or if you just change your mind or whatever. So that kind of took the pressure off for me too. And it was like, you know, 08, 09 was kind of the, the, whatever you call it, the peak or the Valley, like the bottom of the barrel in terms of the recession, it was like kind of the worst time to open a business. Uh, but it was like, yeah, this is, this is something that I want to do. I love CrossFit. I love the, the difference

it can make in people's lives. And, um, yeah, this is something I want to go for I love CrossFit. I love the difference it can make in people's lives. And yeah, this is something I want to go for. Did you go to the affiliate gathering in 2009 in Austin, Texas? Nope. Okay. I don't think I had any money. Right, right. I mean, I know I met you early on. I wonder if we met at the 2009 Games. Do you have any memory of the 2009 Games? Yeah, I do remember it. Do you think that we met there? We may have. It was so memorable. I'm not sure if we met there. And there weren't a lot of people there there were like 2 000 people including volunteers and

athletes i mean it seemed huge at the time don't get me wrong i was like holy shit yeah we're bigger than the super bowl it was fun but you know the team competition that year i was we were done on the first day like there was there was three events the first day there was 106 teams and uh the top five advanced to the final day so teams were on friday cuts in 2009 no like a 100 out of 105 teams got cut yeah yeah i know all these people that are always like there's cuts i hear there's cuts yeah did you guys make it no we were 26th okay so uh my games were done after um yeah friday so literally one day three workouts and um what happened is we uh yeah we had just opened our affiliate not that long before that and i i had told my brother

i'm like hey man do you do you have 300 bucks and he's like what what for and i'm like hey uh we we got to go to the crossfit games they just put onFit.com, first 100 affiliates to sign up can go. And so Jake loaned me 300 bucks. We signed up. And actually, there's a gal on our team that was there for years, Jessica Core, who I think is one of the best CrossFit Games athletes ever, by the way.

She walked in the gym. I'm like, Jess, we're going to the Games. And she's like, well, what's that? I was like, well, it doesn't matter. Start doing some wall balls. we're going to the games and she's like well what's that i was like what doesn't matter start doing some wall balls uh we're going to the game doesn't matter just go do some wall balls yeah just go do some wall balls because she was one of the shorter athletes so she didn't work on that a little bit um but uh that was that was our story and so then we we got i think we had eight people that went down with us and we got a a hotel room in – it's not in Aromas.

What's that town that's close by that has a Motel 6 or a Super 8? Oh, like Gilroy or something? Gilroy, yeah. Okay. And so we stayed in this hotel room with eight people, and we got done the first day, and the rest of the team was like, okay, we'll go back. It's a food shelf hotel or whatever. And I was like, I'm not leaving. I'm just staying here. And I think at the time, uh, like that night, I think Dave and like Travis Bajent had a little, uh, like

deadlift. Uh, not, not a contest, but like they were like deadlifting the bars and stuff that night. And so I just slept out there, um, brought, got my sleeping bag, slept out there and spent the rest of the time. And I, I wanted to be more involved. So I got, uh, I asked if I could volunteer, they gave me a shirt and I thought I could like, you know, help out and see some of the athletes. And they were like, Oh, actually, um, we need somebody to go, uh, empty the garbage cans in the parking lot. I was like, cool. That's what I did that first year. Um then I don't know if you remember, but Miko Saylor won the CrossFit Games that year. Yeah. Second place was Tommy Hackenbrook, who actually came to the Northwest Regional and didn't qualify.

Through that, he ended up doing the last chance qualifier and making it through that. And then third place was a firefighter from up here, Mo Kelsey. Oh, yeah. Dude, Mo, he was a CrossFitcom like main page guy like i was and a firefighter and i remember when they announced the max snatch event he's like adam uh hey man uh do you know how to snatch because every time it comes up on the main page i pick something else and i'm like me too but i've done it a little bit and so we were messing around in the back and his, uh, his best max snatch was like one 85,

just a, just a strong muscle snatch. And he went out there in 2009 and snatch two 15, which actually was like a pretty good result. Crazy. With, with like, you know,

learning the technique in the warmup area and figuring out and just going and doing it. So did he win? Was that the max snatch that year? Two 15? No. Uh, I think, uh, was it somebody got two 40? Yeah. here now and just going and doing it so did he win was that the max snatch that year 215 no uh i think uh was it somebody got 240 yeah was it jeff smith was it that other the other firefighter not jeff smith what's his last name leonard or maynard oh jeff leonard jeff leonard i think

got jeff leonard yeah yeah yeah jeff leonard 240 jason clepa spencer Spencer Hendel. DJ Wickham, 225. Mo Kelsey. Blair Morrison. Steve Willis. Jeremy Thiel, 215. Tom McElroy, 205. That's right. I remember interviewing Mo Kelsley.

Man, he was a good dude. And his wife was there. And she was kind of scared for him. Rightfully so. It was scary shit. Yeah. I hope that the takeaway from this whole story that Adam Neiffer just told is that he just he didn't leave the CrossFit Games. He just got his sleeping bag out of the car and slept there. And I slept.

I had my motor home there and I parked my motor home. But that's the way the games used to be, people. When it was in Aromas, you could just there were people just sleeping in the back of their trucks there. And like late night, just like just whatever and early people getting up at four and making coffee on their tailgate i mean that shit was great wasn't it it was great also i rumor has it that i snored on in the hotel that first night and there was eight of us so i apparently i kept people up so i was like i'll sleep outside but um but, back to like that, that first year. So, um, we just went to the CrossFit games and Jessica core, uh, was on our team. She, she went to the games. Uh, so in

10 years, she went to the games on our team seven times. Uh, she went to, she chose to go individually one year and competed and only two other years in that 10 year period she had a baby both of the other years right oh i was wondering because i was looking at that list on your instagram and i was wondering oh she missed a couple years i wonder what happened yeah no she had kids both of those years and bounced right back and either made the games individually or on the team so i mean yeah yeah it's pretty cool what she's accomplished in the sport. Yeah. That's nuts. Yeah. Okay. So you opened this and had you met your wife when you opened your affiliate? Uh, let's see. So we got married the same year. So we got, we got engaged at the grand opening of CrossFit Fort Vancouver.

So she knew you when you were doing the hotshot stuff. Uh, we had met, yeah, we had, we had met and she, uh uh actually invited her to come into class at crossfit portland um where is which is where i was coaching for those first few years and uh yeah that she came in and we got to know each other both in and out of the crossfit gym but yeah she we had met uh prior to me to us opening the gym. And you met her on Tinder. Is that what you said? Yeah. The 2006 version. Yeah. Yeah.

Tinder. God. For those of you who don't know that, who are confused about technology, there was no such thing then. I think it was only MySpace at that point. Was there even My myspace i don't know yeah i think that's when people used to put ads in the paper hi i'm adam knifer i'm a nice boy looking for a date and people had to find you in the classifieds yeah yeah some guy named olsen dudes really respect adam and justin's relationship truly want the best, and are so humble, hardworking dudes.

We'll see. Don't get all excited. They're early in their relationship. You know it's only a matter of time before Justin jumps over like the think tank or Proven or Ben Bergeron. He's not going to do this podunk shit at CrossFit Vancouver for much longer. Yeah, yeah. No, honestly, dude, I encourage him to go out and train and work out with everybody right because uh like i mean i've talked we talk all the time i just actually his he was just here

um uh when was it this weekend and i had a chance to just visit with his family and like man i i literally want justin to to do the very best he. And like my job is it's so simple. My job is to help Justin perform at the highest level possible. And if he can go and learn from other people and, um, and improve in other ways, like 110%, I'm behind that. It's you remind me of Miko Salo when, um, I remember when Yannikoski came on the scene and he was training with Miko. And then I asked Miko, somehow it came up and Miko goes, yeah, next year I'm telling him not to train with me or I'm suggesting he move on.

And I'm like, what, what are you out of your fucking mind? It's like, no, he's got like, at some point he's got to go out and like, do it.

Like he's got to see more, but man, I don't know about leaving you. You guys seem to have a, Oh yeah. I'm not, I'm not saying leaving. I'm just saying like, like, yeah.

Like Matt Fraser being a great example of like, you know, this year, the last thing that I told Matt when we left Vermont before the games was like, Hey man, how, how involved are you willing to be? Because if my job, if I, if I'm true to what I tell Justin, and if I'm honest with him in that my job is to help Justin become the best CrossFit athlete he can possibly be, then like, I want Matt to be involved with that. I want to learn from the best. I want to, um, you know, to, if Matt's willing to share some of the experience that he learned and being the best ever, then like, why wouldn't we want to, um, you know, for Justin to, to gain some of that experience. So, yeah, that's the way I see it.

on my part but i picture like the very best people at the best at what they do is sitting on top of like the tippy tippy top of a mountain where it's so it's so there's there's only room for one person up there and the space is so narrow that it's so easy to teeter off right like you're just you're basically standing on the head of a needle and the things that push you off aren't the things that like most people would think that would push you off at that point it's not a bad snatch or a bad performance it's really just people you're around and emotional shit right just it's it's like and that stuff is like i mean we've all seen it right in this in this space i i think that the best you can do is what matt did and protect yourself i don't even think like you know what i mean by that like basically matt isolated himself he had his crew

sammy um uh matt o'keefe and and and you know that's it like he just i once you get to the top it's like you have to eliminate all the other factors that could be just so minor that could actually just teeter you off the top. Stuff that's like you would never think, right? Like a fight with a girlfriend or just whatever. Fuck, I don't know. Someone suing you because your lawnmower ran off into their yard. I mean, you want to avoid all of that stuff, right? No, you're right.

The drama or distractions that can come outside of. I mean, the CrossFit part, honestly, I don't want to say it's easy. It's obviously not. distractions that can come outside of, I mean, the CrossFit part, honestly, I don't, I don't want to say it's easy. It's obviously not, but that feels like, you know, where Justin's at now, that feels like cool. We know what to do there. But as far as kind of like managing the, all the rest of, you know, the things coming at him as a CrossFit Games champion, that's a,

those are the things that I think require for us to be more intentional and just make sure that we're, we're doing things the right way. We've been super forced, super blessed, like up until this point, I think having, um, you know, uh, having done things in what feels like the right way. And we just want to keep doing that as best we can move forward. Have you ever had anyone at your gym lose a hundred pounds? That's a good question. Uh, I don't, I don't know if we have, I bet we have. Um, I don't, I can't think of anybody specifically though. Yeah. I can think of a lot of people that are way smaller than they used to be.

And what's that like? Like when they come in, do you, do you think that right away? Like, do you have more six? Yeah. Tell me about that, about like someone who comes in, who's like a hundred pounds overweight. Can they do that at your gym? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, probably the most, uh, most recent example and is just, uh, an individual that came in and, uh, he had actually had like a brain aneurysm two and a half years ago and had gained a hundred pounds. And he's probably been doing CrossFit with us now for three or four months, something like that. But, um, you know, had spent, uh, you know, a chunk of time just like, uh, really feeling down, um, about himself. And when he came in, he just like felt like, Hey, the first conversation was, I don't have any reason to like have joy in my life.

Wow. And so at that point, it's like, wow, what we do. Yeah. It's about the fitness, but it's so much more than that. Right. And, um, fast forward just literally a couple months. And, uh, he went to the CrossFit games and watched Justin compete. Like it was, uh, it was awesome.

And I had him in one of my classes that I was coaching yesterday. And, um, he actually jumped rope for the first time. Uh, I was like, dude, when's the last time you jumped rope, James? And he's like, I don't know. Couldn't tell you. Right. And he did a workout. We had a workout that was like rowing and double unders. And, um, he did, uh, he did 40 single skips every round of three rounds. And the last round, he did all 40 in a row. And like, he was like, Whoa, that was weird. I haven't jumped in a long time. He said he was, uh, he had been basically dizzy or nauseous for two and a half years since his brain aneurysm.

And now he's doing, you know, jump rope. And so, you know, that's the type of stuff like I get emotional about because that's, that's why we do it. That's why we started the affiliate. Um, the sport of CrossFit is amazing and I love it. And I'm passionate about that.'s, that's why we do it. That's why we started the affiliate. Um, the sport of CrossFit is amazing and I love it and I'm passionate about that. But, um, but what we get to do in our affiliates daily, um, is way more impactful than, than even, you know, winning the CrossFit games. Why did he come in? That takes some balls. You know what? Uh, so his buddy that he grew up with, uh, they were like best childhood friends was, um, he lives, I think in Connecticut and had called me and said, Hey, this guy needs help. Like he. Did you know this guy before he called you?

Nope. We spent about 45 minutes in a phone conversation and he would, he had, he had, he knew that his friend lived nearby our affiliate. And he was like, this guy needs help. Would you be willing to reach out to him and invite him into the gym? And so we did. We visited for a bit, and yeah, he came in, and he's been there for several months. He hasn't lost 100 pounds yet, but he's headed in the right direction. Is his friend a CrossFitter who called you? Yep.

His friend got into crossfit maybe i don't remember the exact time i want to say a year and a half or two years ago and then um was like hey this is this has been life-changing for me i care about my friend that i grew up with and this dude needs help and he called the closest affiliate which happened to be us and um and this was three this was three or four months ago yeah i have to look exactly it was um it was probably right before the mac when justin went to mid-atlantic crossfit challenge um at the time yeah on fucking believable listen to this shit people imagine i'm trying to think of which coach to choose they're they're really i mean i know most

of you guys have already drank the kool-aid those of you are listening to the show but but there's no question that like you could go over to just he's justin madaris is 22 years old you could basically go over to his house at three in the morning knock on the door drag him out of the bed and stand him up to offer a billion dollars to anyone who could beat him in any workout and they can choose it and justin's going to beat him nine out of ten times this guy is a freak of nature and he's just he can't even grow pubic hair on his face and we're speaking to a guy who's his coach adam knifer we're speaking to a guy who's like, this is his Freddie Roach. This is, you know, think of those Russian gymnastics coaches. This is his coach.

And yet someone from Connecticut calls on a telephone 3,000 miles away at CrossFit Fort Vancouver and has the nerve to interrupt Adam Neifer while he's working with Justin Medeiros, the fucking fittest man on this green planet. And what's Adam Neiffer do? Tell him to fuck off. I got bigger things to do. I can only coach the fittest. No.

He says, yeah, he talks to the dude for 45 minutes, and a dude with a brain aneurysm who's 100 pounds overweight maybe, He says, yeah, he talks to the dude for 45 minutes. And a dude with a brain aneurysm on who's 100 pounds overweight, maybe who's on the complete opposite spectrum of Justin Medeiros Medeiros. God damn it. Change your name, Justin. I mean, this is just it. You can't make this shit up. But that's what's so special. Like, how much longer can we keep this shit up?

This is nuts. It's that's CrossFit though. I mean, that is, that is what, that is what we do. And it's, uh,

it's, it's crazy because like that, that story, um, you know, it, it, it seems unique.

Right. And it is special, uh, for sure. I'm going to call, I'm going to call Ben bergeron when this is over and pretend like i like i have a friend who's 100 pounds overweight that needs his help and see what ben does i'm gonna put ben up for the test i'm gonna do that all you top coaches out there

get ready i'm getting ready to punk all you bitches to see if like where you stand next to adam knifer no all i'm saying is affiliates all over the world are doing that right now as we speak. And I hear you like that. And honestly, if, if like Justin's success, if it, uh, if it inspires somebody to, to go into their, their affiliate and be like, no, I can change my life. I can, I can do this. Then I know he'd be like, no, that's, that's even, uh, that's even more important, more meaningful to him than winning the CrossFit Games. Did this guy know who you were when he called you? I don't know. The Connecticut guy?

Not sure. Did he just call? And here's what's crazy. For those of you who don't know the story, and I know the story, maybe we can get Adam to tell it. But it was easier. Listen to me. It was easier for this fucking dude with a brain aneurysm who couldn't even bring himself to the gym.

He had to have someone else call Adam for him. It was easier for that dude to meet Adam than Justin. Justin had to write a letter. Adam was basically trying to tell Justin, get the fuck out of here, kid. I'm busy. I'm running a letter. Adam was basically trying to tell Justin, get the fuck out of here, kid. I'm busy. I'm running a business. It was easier for this dude who was 100 pounds overweight and sick to get to Adam than it was for Justin Medeiros.

And I mean, I don't know other sports. I just find that hard to believe that, like, I could have access to, like, some NFL coach and just be like, Hey, we teach my kid how to play football. You know what I mean? Like, can I just call Tony Hawk and be like, yo, we're coming over. My son, my son needs help skateboarding. I mean, I just don't think, I don't think I can do that. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is like, this is just a crazy, crazy, crazy story, but not crazy. You're like, you're like bored with it already. Right. You're like, no, what are you talking about? That's what I'm telling you, man. You, you, you go to any, any city in the U S and you talk to the affiliate owners and coaches in their

gyms and they're doing amazing things in people's lives. And I think that's, that's what CrossFit is about. Obviously the sport is fun and it's it's unreal what is possible, you know, in terms of like human performance. Um, and we're still just like scratching the surface there. I shouldn't say that we're not scratching the surface, but we're, we're still on an upward trajectory, obviously. I agree. But, uh, but like, that's, it is like a huge part of what CrossFit is, is, is the sport, but it's not where CrossFit started. Right. And it's a, it's something that, I mean, I love it. The last couple of years I've, I've seen more, um, like I've seen, you know, like in the, in the last couple of years,

all kinds of things have happened, but it seems like recently we've seen a kind of a, a re, I don't know the right word for it. It seems like CrossFit in the affiliate model and CrossFit the sport or CrossFit as a fitness program and CrossFit the sports are not at odds with each other. And they don't need to be. They shouldn't be. They should be like helping each other grow and push the boundaries of what's possible. And I think that's what's pretty cool about what I get to do is I get to coach Justin and that's,

that's a blast. I mean, seeing him win the CrossFit games, like, like can't even put that into words. I mean, it's, uh, it's, it's special. Uh, but at the same time, like I got to go coach class at my gym and, uh, you know, you get, you get to see people change their lives and that's, that's just, it's cool. Did you have to coach a class today? Uh, today's Tuesday. No, I'm, I'm not on the schedule today. So I also have two kids. They're seven and eight years old. And, uh, really ever since they were born, Um, my schedule is like, I, I coach on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and then Tuesday, Thursday, uh, I do what I need to do to take care of my kids. And so, uh, they're actually, they're actually here at my house right now. We'll take them in. They have CrossFit kids

here, uh, in about an hour. So they'll take, I'll take them in. They'll do a CrossFit kids class. I'll jump into the regular class on the other side of the gym. And then, um, you know, we'll, uh, we'll do some work there. We'll come home, do some stuff here. And then, um, yeah, they start school, I think in a week or two. So it'll, it'll free up my schedule a little bit, but yeah, that was a long answer to your question. Nope. I'm not on the schedule too since there's this. Anytime you can say anything you want about your kids. It's my favorite subject. That is really cool. Also that you really cool also that you just said you're going to jump into the class on the other side. I've dropped into 100-plus boxes around the country. And I remember one time in particular I dropped into this gym in Oklahoma City.

It was called Twice Bitten CrossFit. And I was doing the class, whatever, and there was this guy in the class. And I was like, damn, this guy's pretty good. And he's a big, big dude, good at gymnastics and whatever he just kept himself followed along did everything with the class and then after the class i found out he's the owner of the gym and i would never know it he just was acting and behaving in the class like any other person who's just coming in from their job at noon to get a workout in before going back to whatever in their day and i thought that was such a cool lead by example type of a thing that the gym owner

has just shown up in the class and throwing down with everyone else. Man, it's the best way to work out. Yeah. I mean, I work out in my garage occasionally, like I said, on Tuesdays and Thursdays. But man, I almost always jump in for a class whenever I can. Eric Wise, Adam needs to be a regular. Love hearing about the history of the sport. Adam sounds like an awesome guy and a great ambassador for CrossFit.

I'm telling you, this guy's been around forever. This guy's been around forever. The best thing is he's been around that long, but he still has the passion. You can hear it in the way he talks about the guy learning to jump rope you can hear about it talk about his kid you know the kids class for uh for his kids to go to and everything in between it's pretty cool brian will you ask him a question about the games or something i need 30 seconds thank you i'm gonna go kill that spot on my lawn in my backyard i'll be right back okay see ya um well i would like to uh ask about two more events like we did earlier if you don't mind yeah the next one is the snatch event which is kind of

funny considering your origins with the snatch and i just remember at the mid-atlantic and i i think i talked to justin about this when he came on prior to the games was like that was crazy what happened in the mid-atlantic crossfit it's like seven guys snatched 300 pounds and it was just like back to back to back 300 pound snatches but in the midst of that there were some other guys on the floor that didn't snatch 300 pounds that also had like what I were like great lifts maybe PRs and I think Justin was one of those who hit 285 that day yeah in Tennessee and so he's coming obviously to the uh event 12 of the crossfit games now this isn't event one of the semifinals this is event 12

of the crossfit game so the body's feeling it a little bit more yeah the pressure's a little higher he's in the lead he's going last on every bar so he has to watch the guys in front of him that he knows have bigger snatches than him yeah and then he's got to respond over and over every bar every bar and um i thought he did incredibly well but what's your perspective as that as his coach are you nervous are you communicating with him in any way like what's going on for you during that event uh during that event is it's funny it's very similar to all the events when i go watch justin compete compete, I'm not nervous at all. I'm literally just having a good time watching it.

I feel like once he enters the competition floor, my job for that event is done. It's like we've done the preparation. He's warmed up. He knows what to do. He's going to go out and execute it. And so during the event, I'm, I'm really just enjoying it. Um, I know that I talked to a few coaches that are like, man, I'm, are you stressed out? I'm more stressed out coaching than I was competing. Cause competing once, once three, two, one go happens, all the nerves go away, but coaching, you're just kind

of there the whole time, but I'm more nervous talking about it than, than watching it. To be honest with you, it's, uh, yeah, just, just really enjoyable. I knew that, um, that's how I feel about the podcast. I'm nervous until it starts. And then it's like, oh, thank God. It's like a workout and then it goes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get that. But, um, but yeah, we knew that, that, that heavy snatch event was like a good opportunity for him. that heavy snatch event was like a good opportunity for him. Um, in the sense, like, I don't know, I don't think it's useful to go into event thinking about what everybody else can do or that everybody else has this as their PR or they beat me at the Mac or anything like that. Um, so during Justin's warmup, we just like took it like we were warming up for a heavy day in the gym. Not that we,

we really never would max out a snatch or super rarely max out a snatch in the gym but but building up to a heavy the the warm-up felt like pretty typical um he went out there with a couple like two kind of cues in his head that he would think about as he approached each bar um and then yeah it was just a matter of going out and lifting heavy and the thing about justin is like it doesn't matter what his lead up is to the games. Like the guy always lifts well in competition. So we try to like, um, use that to his advantage of like, man, if there's a heavy event, who cares what his PR is compared to anybody else. It's an opportunity for Justin to have a great day lifting. And, you know, when you go out into competition, the adrenaline is there and you're like, man, the bar feels 10 or 20 pounds lighter than it does in your gym on a training day.

So it's like, man, just enjoy it and use that to make the most of your performance. Did you hear that, Brian? Did you hear that? What was it? Their story. They have a story. They have this fucking narrative that he always does well on competition day. That's their fucking

madera story well that's doesn't even it's their story yes yes yes they got it they got the right story they chose the right fucking story all right we'll take it yeah i mean you i just heard you say it well it doesn't matter what the lifting vent is we always know on game day he does well i mean that's like that's the story it doesn't even like that's just that's the story i'm gonna that's i mean if you don't have that story people it doesn't matter i don't even i can't even tell you the the the trick because it'll ruin the story but if you don't have that story then you don't have the right story you're fucking yourself tell yourself a different like you have to really listen to what what what adam knifer just said like that's the story but i mean before there was just a madaris there's that you have to have that story sorry go ahead i just love it when you say smart shit and i just get all excited i

feel like some people miss it it's just because it's so simple but sorry go ahead. I just love it when you say smart shit and I just get all excited. I feel like some people miss it. It's just cause it's so simple, but sorry, go ahead. No, it is. But you're right. Like our teams in general too, like for years, like we always felt like we would compete at a level that's even higher than our fitness in the gym. Right. Cause that's what you're preparing for. Who cares what you can do in the gym or what you put on Instagram or all that stuff. It's like, nah, you're preparing for an event for a competition. And that's, that's when it matters. Um, but all that being said, and Brian, I'm sure you can look back at the stats of every time there's been a heavy lifting event, like in, in competitions, Justin, in my mind has performed very, very well. Like he's always like either scratching the surface of a PR or hits a PR.

Like he's always like either scratching the surface of a PR or hits a PR. Um, and he, he rises to the occasion. Um, so I was, I was really happy. I felt like, like I felt pretty confident that Justin could hit, would, would hit 285. I felt optimistic that he'd hit to 290, 295 on that day. Um, it didn't quite happen, but I also wasn't far off. I mean, he was just a fraction of a, of a centimeter off from hitting 290 feel like... He wasn't far off. I mean, he was just a fraction of a centimeter off from hitting 290. Yeah, he wasn't far off. Also, I loved it because typically when you lift last,

it's actually an advantage because you get to see, you know, what other people may be loaded on their bar or that type of thing. In this one, it was like everybody has already hit that weight and then they walk past you as, you know, Justin's going out there. So whether it was an advantage or not, it doesn't matter. hit that weight and then they walk past you as you know justin's going out there so it whether it was an advantage or not it doesn't matter he uh he had to um you know do what he needed to do in that event to to snatch as much as he could he did that uh interestingly enough it was i think that out of 15 events there was 11 where justin's execution was like like i would say pretty close

to as good as it could have been um 11 out of 15 events there was four events where i was like, like I would say pretty close to as good as it could have been. Um, 11 out of 15 events, there was four events where I was like, ah, like for sure we left some meat on the bone. And, um, there's like some, some really simple learning experiences there. Um, was this one of them? So this, the snatch was, the snatch was, was a little bit of both. Um, I think that, yeah, yeah he did he did great on the uh on the max lift and we knew how important the tiebreaker would be as well um he actually uh he mentally just kind of like lost a bit of focus after he missed 290 and then he went over and did the uh let's see it was the the 225 for 25 for three reps. And there was four, there's four

total athletes. And he had, uh, he had ripped his hand at the time, which is, it's not an excuse, but, uh, he just ripped a callus off his hand on the two 90 snatch bar and it was bleeding a lot. And that was on his mind. And as a result, he lined up for the two 25 tiebreaker and he was like two feet behind the start line. so he was he was kind of starting behind everybody else he just didn't know where where the start line was like he was on a line and everybody was on a line that was like two feet closer than him and then he went uh to basically set up on the barbell and he set up at 225 as if it was 290 right like he set up with the same like kind of took his time setting up as if he was

going for a max. And by the time Justin's barbell left the floor, other athletes in the same group of tiebreakers were in the bottom of their overhead squat, like the bottom of their snatch receipt position, like standing up the first rep. And even with that, he actually caught them on the next two reps and he just happened to rush the last one and he missed it right so um there wasn't there wasn't any one thing in that event that was like a huge you know error or um you know uh mistake on his part but there was a handful of just little things that added up to like you know what that was a that was a missed opportunity and unfortunately he and he knew that right afterwards. And unfortunately, it took a little bit of his joy out of the Max Snatch event,

tying a PR 12 events in. It took a little bit of that away because it was like, shoot. You never want to finish a CrossFit Games event and feel like you had more in the tank or feel like you missed out on some points. And that's kind of how he felt coming off the floor well it's and so it's not a again it's not an excuse and something has to give i guess but he also had less time to prepare for that tie break than each of the other guys because he was going last and then it happens right away so just to like switch the flip or flip the switch yeah from heavy lift to fast lifting you know uh i can't remember who the

other three guys i know fukowski is one of them but each of them had a little bit more time than him to mentally prepare for that or even to ask the question where do i start for this you know yeah yeah it might have been a little bit disadvantaged there maybe but i mean it's like hey winner winners win and you you got to find a way and that's that was a great learning experience for him and there it is again. Winner's win. There it is. It's not like he –

More than Adam Kiefer. Smart shit. He wasn't dwelling on it, but it was a source of like, hey, oh, that's kind of raw. That's fresh in my mind. I don't want that to happen again was his attitude going forward, which is important. And, you know, kind of back to the, back to that snatch event, you know, there was, uh, there was two athletes that snatched 300 pounds at, um, at the Mac that, uh, I think, uh, didn't get to the bar that he got to, um, you know, at the games, 12 events in, and a couple of things about that, like, you know, uh, justin performs when the game is on the line but um

also like justin justin moves pretty well and he's not like hey i'm trying to get up as much weight as i can in training at all costs he's trying to improve his craft he's trying to improve his mechanics and um so he doesn't worry about that as much as like hey i'm trying to improve so that when i you know when i do get out on the game floor, like I'm ready for this. And I think that that was awesome because it didn't matter if it was the first event at the Mac and he was fresh or it was the 12th event, the games, he snatched the same thing. So super, super proud of him about that.

Um, and then with the, you know, I mentioned there was like four out of 15 events where it was like, okay, a little of a missed opportunity. All of those were very minor things that were going to be ultra critical about you know um behind the scenes but like they weren't catastrophic uh you know outcome changing mistakes right they're just like when i guess i guess the best the best way i can tell that story is prior to the games did we know justin was going to win absolutely not right like. We knew Justin was going to go out there and compete. The entire year leading up to it, we were like, hey, you got third of the games last year. Justin, if you can be better in every facet next year, it doesn't guarantee anything, but it gives you the opportunity for a favorable outcome at the games. Like the potential is there to do something really special. If you focus on being better than you were last year. Right. And so leading into the games, it wasn't like, Oh yeah, this guy's for sure going to win. It was like, yeah, Justin,

could he win? Absolutely. He could take first place at the games, but he could also get 10th and either way. It's like good. Cause there's, there are, there is room to improve. There are things we can tighten up. There's things we can do better. There's, there's there are there is room to improve there are things we can tighten up there's things we can do better there's there's areas that he can get better at and so you know the fact that he did win the crossfit games doesn't it doesn't change that right like those those things those uh those learning experiences those opportunities for improvement still exist so same mindset same mindset going forward and that's actually cool that you said that unprompted because someone in the comments section asked specifically about that quote. Oh, you want it to get better from 2020 to 2021? Well, what are they going to do from 2021 to 2022?

And it sounds like the answer is the same, man. They're going to get better. It's pretty simple, right? If 2022 Justin is better across the board than he was in 2021 same thing doesn't doesn't guarantee anything but i i like his chances someone logan mayfield said adam is the man always has the glass half full perspective to offer yeah i i there's probably a bunch of lines like that that really um help describe adam adam can can you tell us the – because we're running out of time here – the Cliff Notes version of how you guys met, you and –

what's the guy's name? Justin, the guy who won the games, the good dude. The fittest dude. The fittest dude, yeah, Justin Medeiros. Yeah, because it's such a great story. We always joke around about this because we feel like we've told this story a million times. So we feel like everybody knows it because it seems like that always comes up in conversation. But basically –

Put some nudity in it this time. Put some nudity in it. That always spices up. I like movies, but if there's nudity in it, I like it even more. So if you just tell the same story, but put some nudity. Like you were in the shower when you got the message. Then we'll be like, oh, my God, he was naked. Some nudity in it i like it even more so if you just like some drama put some nudity like you were in the shower when you got the message then we'll be like oh my god he was naked yeah some nudity i mean yeah pretty much like uh yeah we both have this friend that uh that justin trained with i used to compete with or against what however you want to say it um and he had he had asked me

several times that to work with justin His name is Sun, Sun Chang. And he was actually on Boise CrossFit's team years ago. That's the guy's name, Sun Chang? Yeah, Sun Chang. Great name. Great name, dude. He's like a movie character too. Is he starring in that new Marvel movie coming out next month?

He should be. Yeah, for sure. When Justin went to school out of Boise state they met and I think son was the first one to really, I don't know about the first one, but the first one I knew that really saw like this potential in Justin and it was like, man, you need to, you should work with Adam. And so like me and son talked three times and I had just at the time, this was like right after I finished competing in 2018 and had

like decided prior to that season, like, okay, I've been competing in CrossFit for 10 years, love it. But at this time I'm going to focus more on, um, like, uh, the things that are important in my life. And, uh, part of that is the affiliate and, uh, you know, actually doing my job with the affiliate versus just, just competing all the time. Uh, so doing a better job there and then, um, just being more present with my family. My wife put a lot of, um, a lot of, she just sacrificed a lot for 10 years to allow me to compete. And so, um, you know, being more present as a dad, that type of stuff. And, uh, so I just wasn't interested, uh, long story short, um, son kept on calling me. So I, I said, okay, I'll talk to Justin, write a letter, um, you know, telling me what So I, I said, okay, I'll talk to Justin, write a letter. Um,

you know, telling me what you're looking for in a coach, who you are, what your goals are, that type of thing. That's what you told Justin on the phone. He called you and you're like, Hey, can you write me a letter? Yeah. I think I talked to him. I think I called him on the phone and was like, Hey, if you want to do this, um, yeah, I need you to write me a letter with all these things. Right. And I listed them off. And had you ever asked anyone to write you a letter before? No. When it, as it came out of your mouth, were you like, oh my God, what am I doing? This is like, I must really not want to work with this dude. Like, like how, like, that seems like such a trippy thing to ask unless you ask everyone that, right? It's like, you wouldn't ask most people, most people, I, most people, I was just like, no,

no thanks. Like I'm, uh, I'm, I'm good where I'm at. Like I love coaching at my affiliates. I love coaching the athletes that are here. I purposely didn't do remote coaching cause I don't, I don't, it's not my favorite thing to do. And I feel like a better use of my time is to work with people that are right here that I can see every day and have that like immediate interaction with. And where did he live?

He didn't live in um justin lived in california and you lived in washington state yeah he actually lived in boise he was going to school at boise state in idaho what so uh it's like 500 miles from you uh probably yeah something like like seven hours okay yeah okay yeah so yeah i told him write this letter basically to appease my friend's son and be like, hey, I talked to him. It did or didn't work out. Anyway, and I didn't think Justin would do it. I really didn't think he would do it.

And a couple days later, he sent this letter back, and I was like, wow, this is not your typical 20-year-old. Did he email it to you? Yeah. Okay. Yep, and then – Adam Kneifer at CrossFit Fort Vancouver.com. No, it's not my email, but people can send emails if they want to. You saw what I was doing. You saw what I was doing, trying to get you all blown up.

So basically at this point, I still, even when he wrote the letter, I was like, wow, this is not your average 19 year old. And then I, I showed it to my wife, Lauren. And, uh, you know, cause basically she had supported me competing for so long and she loved it, but she was also really happy that I wasn't like doing that anymore. And, uh, so when she read the letter, she was just like, and I was super surprised. She was like, you should i was super surprised she was like you should do it and i was like what she's like no you should do it i think you'd be good at it

and i think you'd really enjoy it and uh that was the first time that i ever actually considered it is when so thanks to lauren did she know that you'd have a mullet 18 months later believe it or not she loves mullets uh like wow holy shit yeah i don't know if i had a mullet when we got married but i had a mullet a lot of times like when like early on when lauren i met so you influenced justin not the other way around actually no it was kind of like just fate we both in our own separate lives had mullets um Um, and, uh, so that, that's how that happened. But, um, after, after that, even after, uh, you know, Lauren said, go for it. It was like, Hey, Justin, um, let's, let's work together leading up to and through the open and we'll

see how it goes. That'll be kind of like our dating game. And, uh, if, and this was in the beginning of 2019. And if we, if we like it, then, uh, the next step would be, you got to come out here. Like we got to work together in person. So you got to figure out a way to get to Vancouver for the summer. Um, cause he was in school at the time. Had you ever had an individual athlete before besides Jessica core? No. Interesting. Yeah. Um, so yeah, pretty much he came out, um, um you know did the open did pretty well came out and uh he showed up with a mullet he was worried about it he was like oh shoot i gotta meet adam and his wife for the first time in person and he was like oh no i forgot to cut

this mullet off what are they gonna think and uh shoot he walked in the door. Savon would like me to say with his shirt off. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. It was like, love at first sight, Lauren. She was like, is that a mullet? And he's like, yeah, yeah.

I'm, you know, my friend made me do it, you know, like, uh, I'm, I forgot to cut it. And she was like, I love it. You're part of, welcome to the family. And, uh, yeah, that's, uh, that's how that happened. God, I hope my pot, my podcast has this podcast has the exact same story as you and Justin Medeiros, except instead of Justin Medeiros, I got this podcast. I did not want to do this podcast and my, and, and, and basically Matt Sousa, the owner of CrossFit Livermore was like, basically like serving it to me on a platter,

telling me basically I had to do it and I'll do everything for you. And you didn't want to do this podcast. No, fuck. No, not just in general, the whole podcast, the whole podcast.

No, no, not the one with Adam knifer. Like I just don't want to do podcasts. And okay. Okay. I got you. This is a few years back. Yeah.

Now, six months ago, four months ago, this thing's brand new. This. I got you. This is like a few years back. No, six months ago, four months ago. This thing's brand new. This thing's brand new. And I know it feels like I've been around forever. You've been doing the podcast for longer than that, though, haven't you? I was doing the CrossFit podcast.

Oh, gotcha. Okay, yeah. For like a year, yeah. They made me basically get rid of the podcast before I got fired. No, no, it's okay. I love talking about getting fired. Anyway, so then this guy, Matt Souza, is like, hey, you need rid of the podcast before I got fired. No, no, it's okay. I love talking about getting fired. Anyway, so then this guy, Matt Souza, is like, hey, you need to do the podcast again. And I'm like, no, thank you, no, thank you.

And he's like, but I'll help you. And he starts telling me all these things he's going to do for me. And I'm like, no, thank you. And then I told my wife, and my wife did the same thing that your wife did. She's like, no, no. Like, you know, just kind of like pushed me out of the nest. And here we are. I'm talking to Adam knifer dude that's that's awesome man so you ended up with justin madaris and i ended up with ryan matt and brian match made in heaven god i can't do you know how hard

it is to work with three dudes named matt ryan and brian it's like it's it's hard to keep everyone my brain has so much trouble keeping those names all organized. You know, you're good with names though. So, um, if anybody could, thank you.

Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Brian, eat a dick. You heard it. Eat a dick, right?

Yeah. That's the only thing Brian has on me. He thinks I'm not, he thinks because just because the fans don't think the listeners don't think I'm good at names. Brian jumps on that bandwagon. they try to beat me up over it thanks for coming on that that was i keep you on for another half hour but my kid has this uh skateboarding um it's just he has skateboarding instructor he normally uses but then there's this other like super duper fancy skateboarding instructor over the hill it's like an hour away I'm going to take him out there today to meet that guy. He might be like a pro skater or something. And so like, I want to get them all warmed up because I want to get every dollar's worth out of the, uh, out of the practice today.

I would, I would never forgive myself if I caused you to miss or be late for that. Ah, smoking like a true daddy. Yeah, man, I get it. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for coming on last minute. 100%, man. Thanks for having me. Yeah, it was a blast.

Brian, is there anything you'd like to say to Mr. Neiffer? Congratulations. I didn't get a chance to talk to you guys after the games, but it was an extremely impressive performance, and I know that you're a big part of him realizing that potential this year. So well done. Appreciate it, Brian. Yeah, thank you guys for having me.

Maybe we drag this guy back, Adam Neiffer, before the Open and make it a little more game-centric. I'll try to bite my tongue on asking him questions about his affiliate and shit. I think they're competing again in two months or so yeah I mean I'm not Rogue is coming up Justin will be out there again

yeah will you go to that yeah oh that's cool so will you go to all the stuff he does the waterpalooza's the Dubai's of the fittest the Roguest of the fittest, the roguest of the fittest, all those? I mean, that's a good question. Ask your wife.

Is she in the room? Just be like, yo, honey, what's your wife's name, Adam? Lauren. Lauren, am I going to those? No, seriously. That's how it works. I know. I know.

I'm not joking. I'm joking, not joking. Lauren, can I have my ATM card back? I want to go to Dubai. No. All right. All right, just asking. No reason to get hostile.

I'm going to Rogue, and that's what we got planned for now. Rogue's an easy one. Rogue's an easy one. Rogue's here, and it's close. It's coming up soon. We'll see. We'll go from there. And you people who want Adam to be a regular,

like yesterday you wanted Laura Horvat to be a regular. Make up your mind. Who's going to be the regular? Adam doesn't even have a vagina. We have too many penises on this show. We need some vagina. All right. Hey, man, thank you, guys.

He's running away now. As I put my shoes on, he's like, oh, shit, I knew this show could get squirrely. I see you starting to get dressed. I don't know if you weren't wearing pants the whole time. No away now as I put my shoes together. Like, Oh shit. I knew the show could get squirreled. I see you starting to get dressed. I don't know if you weren't wearing pants the whole time. No, no. I'll put my shoes on. You see that? Yeah.

I'm putting my shoes on. I'm not a regular podcast guy, but that feels like a cue. Like, Hey, if he stands up, you don't want to be here. All right. Just putting on my nano twos. Just putting on my nano twos. All right, Ryan. You can send us to the curb.