The Sevan Podcast - #199 - Lindsey K. Mathews

Episode Date: November 6, 2021

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I want you to tell me, have you seen this Instagram account? I said, no. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. This is so awesome. Who is this lady? Contact her. Contact her.

Get her on the podcast. I'm all, I already did. I already did. As soon as you sent me the link. I'm sorry. Hi, Lindsay. get on the podcast i'm all i already did i already did as soon as you sent me the the link i'm hi lindsey can you hear me i can hear you how are you good i'm savon very nice to meet you thanks for doing this yeah nice to meet you finally we are uh live on uh facebook youtube twitter and um what's the other one with the bird? Oh, no. Twitch. But no one watches it on those. People

only watch it on YouTube. Every time I go over to those other accounts, it says zero views. Yeah, I've never even heard of Twitch. I think you have to play video games to know. It's like YouTube, but famous basketball players and stuff go there and play video games, and then kids

get to watch them play. Maybe you could start a live birthing channel on there. I went to this Instagram account the other day, and someone said, hey, you can watch live births on this Instagram account. I went over there, and I was watching some of the live births. some of the live births and there i i saw all three of my kids be born um up up close and in hd and um i i would not have wanted to see those i i would not have wanted to see other births before i saw no it was no it was so different it was so different what do you think about that do you think um what do you think about that how do you think, um, what do you think about that? How do women usually react? Should they just do it or the husband's react or the, or the partner's react? Should they just, I think it's different. Like I show, well, I did, I used to show Lance birth videos. It was like, I'm good on the birth videos. I'll be present

at ours. Whenever that happens, I'm fully there, but i don't want to see your friends birthing lance is your husband we actually get married in a month oh congratulations thank you do you have kids already no i do not we're open to it but um yeah we had our first kid well i'm married and we had our first kid and then we didn't, we weren't married. We didn't want to get married and we didn't have kids. And then my wife wanted to have kids. And then, so we had one kid and then, and then, and then we got married and it was, it was a trip because I just thought being married was kind of just tool of the man shit.

Just like, and that's kind of why I didn't want to do it. I didn't want to just do whatever, like everyone else was doing doing not even what everyone else was doing i just didn't see the value in it for me right but then we got married for like legal reasons i started being concerned that if i died or she died that it would complicate things if we weren't married but then once we got married it was we just went to a courthouse and it was actually um something changed yeah or at least at least I'm pretending like something changed. For the better. That's awesome. So tell me what is BirthFit? in the simplest terms is an online resource and community. And we have training programs for

preconception, pregnancy, and postpartum. We also have a... Can you break that down for me? Those three things. Yeah, absolutely. So preconception, we have a general strength and conditioning program for women in all seasons and cycles of their lives. And so we train in harmony with the menstrual cycle. So we don't do the same thing or the same intensity or the same loads or the same volumes every day. There's different times of our cycles where that's appropriate. And I love this program because it empowers women to get in touch with their cycle. And so many of us were not taught to just honor and respect our menstrual cycle while growing up. And that's like one of the, I think one of the foundational pillars before even trying to conceive or going down that route of, hey, we want to have kids.

Let's see what kind of like what kind of health we're in and use our menstrual cycle to explore that. Yeah. Sorry, two questions already. One, is there some conventional wisdom of how you should train differently during your menstrual cycle? I guess, too. What during your menstrual cycle i guess too what is your menstrual cycle is that the week before is that actually during i don't even know what you call the process for lack of yeah is that while you're bleeding and then my third question is when you say get in touch with your menstrual cycle is this something that like a thousand years ago you would have never had to have talked about because you just, you just, people would just were in touch with it.

What does that mean to be in touch with the menstrual cycle? Is it something that was lost or is it something that we've evolved so much as humans now we're doing? I think. Sorry, I know that's a lot. Yeah. Those are like, okay, let me see if I can answer all three of those questions. First one was, do you train different? How do you train different through as a woman?

Yeah. How do you train different as a woman through the days? So during the menstrual cycle, we say that as an all-encompassing term for a woman's cycle. And an average cycle is anywhere from 28 to 35 days. And day one of bleeding is day one of the cycle. And bleeding can last three to seven days if it lasts any longer than that then let's let's start um investigating and um women ovulate basically one day of the month um whereas you know and that's when the ovulation is from when the egg pops out of the ovary to it traveling down the fallopian tubes? That is the ovulation cycle, that journey?

Yes, when a woman is fertile. So basically – So even beyond the fallopian tubes? Yeah. a sperm and egg want to meet, like the eggs released, the sperm is probably already in there or, um, an, or a sperm can be viable for five to seven days. And it's good boys. And they're just hanging out hopefully in this hospitable environment. And, um, yeah. And then whenever ovulation happens, whenever the eggs released, then ideally, I picture like a football team, like American football, where they're trying to get the one player with the football across the goal line. And that's what's happening with sperm.

They're trying to get the one player across the goal line. And on the egg side of things, they are sending out cell signals. They're like, oh, that one's good. That one's good. That one's not. Oh, really? There's a choosing process like that too? Yeah, absolutely. The egg is not as passive as once was thought or we were probably taught in school. This is like that horrific show, The Bachelor. I just had a contestant from The Bachelor on, and I watched that show. Do not watch that show. But wow, this is like that. And so, okay, so back to the menstrual. So menses is day one, bleeding is day one,

whatever you want to call it. And it will last three to seven days. And then you're inside of the follicular phase. And basically, that's the first half of the cycle. The second half of the cycle is the luteal phase. And once ovulation happens, that's kind of the mid cycle. And then we start to shift into the luteal phase. And if pregnancy doesn't happen, if there's no conception, then the bleeding, the menses will happen again, and the cycle will start all over. And so if we're thinking about training, and specifically looking at like bleeding and that timeframe, you know, one of the easiest examples I can give is this is not a time to be doing like inversions, like handstands or like PRs, going for your PRs, especially during the first one to three days of your cycle,

because like energetically, this is a release, you're trying to get things out of your body. And if you're going upside down, that you're just like define, like trying to go against gravity there. And so, you know, like your question, you know, is this an ancient knowledge that we lost? Yes, because traditions and cultures all over the world would kind of treat and honor the menstrual cycle and the bleeding as a sacred event. And it would be a time of slowing down a time of reflection, a time of like, especially for women, like we can look back at this, the cycle or this month and be like, okay, checking in with myself. Am I where I want to be in life?

Am I honoring my lifestyle practices, my values, things like that? How did training look? What's going on with my career? What's going on with work? Things like that. And so it's a big time of reflection. And then as the bleeding stops and tapers off, we start to gain more energy and the peak of energy and ideally the peak of, you know, when we feel our most alive or our sexiest or we start putting out vibes of like, let's make a baby, you know, then all that kind of peaks around ovulation. And that's the best time to like, go for personal best, go like run a race, try to get your best PR, your time, lift your personal best and like whatever weightlifting you're doing.

It was really a time to like, celebrate you and just really go for it. celebrate you and just really go for it. It's an awesome time to do high intensity interval training and really push yourself in the gym or on the track or wherever you're training. And then it sort of tapers off again. And this goes into the luteal phase. And I like to think of the luteal phase as like two halves, because the first half is still, you still have the benefits of some of that higher energy, but you're starting, it's starting to come down. And this is when, you know, if people are deficient or they have like a ton of estrogen and not a lot of progesterone in their body, or that's, that's the best scenario. Like if they, if progesterone is lacking, then this can be a time of like PMS

or you know, the cravings of give me all the chocolate, give me all the carbs, give me all the sourdough bread. And then the second half of the cycle is like really that, and it's more of like, I don't want to do anything. I kind of just want to lay on the couch. Um, and so as we get close to bleeding again, some people will say, Hey, just take a rest day. Like all you need is to walk, maybe do some basic movements and just taper, taper down a little bit. And so it's kind of like just a wave and honoring the cycle in that sense. And there's kind of big picture stuff, but we get really specific inside of Bee Community and see what people need and what they want in that season of their life. What city are you in?

I'm actually in Wimberley, Texas, which is 45 minutes outside of Austin. And did you see, is that, is it at birth fit on Instagram? I changed it on the bottom. Yeah. Um, so you're in Texas and did you find, are you a CrossFit practitioner who's like, hey, I'm going to take this and acknowledge that there's women who do menstrual cycles? You're like, how did you start this? Yeah. Acknowledge that there's women who do menstrual cycles who do CrossFit? I mean, is that – Well, okay.

So my journey started – Excuse me if I'm tuned. Yeah. My journey started back in – I lived in California, specifically Venice for 13 years. And I went out to California to go to- Wait, sorry, sorry. When did you leave? I left in 2018. Well, that could be a whole nother podcast. Okay. Just sorry. Just one side note. I know

the question is, is how did this start or with your inspiration? Why did you leave Venice? Well, I had gone through a big breakup and I was trying to get back to Texas like probably a year or two sooner, or at least make my way back here. And whenever that happened, I was like, it's time I've expired. My, my chapter is closed here. It's time to go back to Texas. I've expired. My chapter is closed here. It's time to go back to Texas. And this is my home. This is where I grew up. This is what I call home in my soul. And I was ready to get back to the hill country. Are you tripping on what's happening to Venice? And I don't have like anything ill to speak of Venice, but, and I was lucky enough to be there at the time I was, and I had a great community there. Um, I just think it's, it's not in a good place right now. Yeah. It's getting wounded. Okay. Uh, we digress. My bad. I, I just, I've been

watching it over the last two years and it's uh but congratulations for living there it's one of those places that I think probably a lot of people dream about living they don't um grab life by the balls and go do it and so congratulations that you went oh thank you I had a great life there like I worked like I worked at a birth center and I could ride my bike down the boardwalk to like I would ride it down Rose Avenue turn left on the boardwalk to like, I would write it down Rose Avenue, turn left on the boardwalk and then ride it to Washington. And I would be there in like 20 minutes. Is a birth center, it's something, it's not a hospital, but it's a place where women go to have babies. That's more like home, I guess. Yeah. It's so that one was set up with, uh, two birthing rooms

and it's basically each birthing room has a bed, a shower. It's like a hotel with, um, that's a little more friendly, um, has all the supplies you could possibly need, you know, except like there's no IV, there's no surgical unit. Um, and why wouldn't someone just have a baby at home? Don't worry. I'm not going to forget that we're talking about Texas. Why wouldn't someone just have a baby at home? I'm extremely biased by the way. I have to just tell you. Yeah. In a nutshell, we had our babies at home. That was not the plan. The plan was to do them in a hospital in the safest place in the world after having baby. And I thought people who had babies at home were fucking nuts and brave after having the babies at home. The whole script is flipped. The bravest people in the world are

people who would dare to go into a hospital and have babies in hospital. It is, and I'm no woman. So it, and I'm totally welcome to the hate in the comments. But the thought of moving my wife and the baby after they were born, it's literally – I don't know if you guys have ever seen a nest fall out of a tree or been working on a tree and you knock a nest out of a tree. There's something that happens to you viscerally that is very, very bad. Even as a young kid, you feel it. that is very very bad even as a young kid you feel it you don't like to see uh uh a nest of any animal but but because we're city dwellers we mostly as kids we've seen it as birds you don't like that feeling it makes me almost want to cry just thinking about it now yeah uh so i'm so i trip on it's cool that there are bird centers but i just can't i just want to say that bias i can't imagine having a baby in a hospital now that i've had it at home. I just can't.

It's so awesome. My wife, my wife. Yeah. How can my like a car after a woman has a baby as the man, I viewed the car as a vile piece of machinery. I couldn't imagine putting my baby in a baby seat. The thought of that, that those those materials touching my baby all that and i never thought of that stuff ever ever i just thought the hospital is the safest place ever so so so i just wanted to tell you i have a really strong bias i know a lot of people are like oh it's okay everyone should do what they want we should be open i'm not like that i'm like not fucking the baby i really it sucks for you when did it change

so we went we my wife said hey do you want to do a birthing class and i'm and i just was just like sure whatever and it was a birthing class and it was it was called i was gonna say it's called homo birthing but but it's called hypno birthing. And it was, and it was three hours a day, three hours a week, one day a week for like 13 weeks. And we went there and I was just sitting through it and it was a bunch of stuff that I didn't like. Like you had to whisper affirmations into her ear and do all these practices and all this stuff that like, even just now I felt my body twitch. I didn't like, but what i loved was i was in the i sat on a little couch um next to my wife for three hours uninterrupted one day a week and that was awesome and and i and i enjoyed um and the teacher was great but after after about a month after about four classes she said hey you

guys don't seem like you're the the type. You guys should look into home births. And as we leave, I'm like, this lady is fucking crazy. Like we for sure want a hospital. Like she has no idea what she's talking about. And then she said something along the lines – she gave us a talk. There was a whole talk about how an unconscious woman had a baby. And basically the woman, the woman's body has chemical reactions that, that happened in a cascade of events that even an unconscious woman who is brain dead would still push the body out. That, that kind of rocked me to my core. Like after she told us that that was

like an hour long lecture, I thought about that. I still think about that all the time, but for like a week, I couldn't get that out of my head. Like, wait a minute. This is just, this baby's coming out. This is nature. Yes. No matter what this baby's coming out. There's no, it's not staying in there. Yeah. And, and, um, and then we were at my wife's, is it called an OGBYN? It's the lady that's and she was, we were in there and I, and I said to her, I said, Hey, so when we come in and I referenced, she'd be at the, and she snapped at me. She goes, I can't promise I'll be there. I don't work 24 hours a day.

And the way she said it, like I was a fucking idiot, I was like, okay, I'll take that one on the chin. And then she said at another meeting, this is a partnership. and we had learned in our birthing class that if you have events that you would, if you have a birthing plan with your wife, and that if your wife starts to come off of the birthing plan, your job is to create not only spiritual space, which is a whole nother subject that I wish that, just a fascinating subject that I hope we can get into, but also to create temporal space, to create time space for your wife to try to get back on track so for example if she would if um in the class they tell you if you're what if they offer your wife i don't know what if i forget what the drugs are but if they offer her some sort of drug and she says yes and the

plan is she didn't want it you would say to the people um the doctors and nurses hey can you give my wife and i just two minutes and then they leave the room and i would take my wife through these breathing exercises that we had planned and try to get her back on track not because i don't want her to take the drug just not because she doesn't want just because we have a plan and i'm i'm there as a sister to stay on her plan create some some time to rethink it and the same way like you might want a cigarette when you're quitting but you have to like make space and move on to the next thing or if you're the 12-step alcoholic so um so i said to her something can we not have a pick-in so that if she if she um if she asked for the drugs we have

an extra step while they put the pick-in before they put the actual drugs in and the doctor said to me that's non-negotiable right in the breath previously to that that she told me that we're a team so then i told my wife i said all right cool uh if and she had already been hinting that she wanted to have a midwife at the birth i and it was it was it's not cheap it was like 10 grand or something and i'm like let's do it and she got a midwife and then like and of course the the birthing coach was right we we were not hospital people we were and the midwife said this to us, I, there's no one more conservative than me. I am more scared and more conservative than even the doctor. If there's, if there's a hint of anything going wrong, even days before you will

not have this baby at home, I will drag you to the hospital. And I was like, Whoa, shit. And she was right. That's so awesome. Yeah. And I saw them create space and I learned how to create. I mean, I already knew my wife had already taught me 10 or 15 years before the concept of creating space and working on creating space just in our own relationship to be present for the other person. But then when I saw the midwives do it during the pregnancy, I was like, oh, this is some like next level, like sorcery, Buddhist shit. Like it was I mean, they didn't do anything. They did everything. Yeah, it was. Like it was, I mean, they didn't do anything. They, but they did everything. Yeah.

It was nuts. It was nuts. That's so awesome. So that's why I have that biased. I love it. Right. Okay. So sorry.

I love it. So you move, so you move to a damn. Um, uh, so, um, you moved to tech.

Why, why did you move to Texas? And it sounds like you were already doing the birthing thing in Venice. Yeah. So I moved originally out to Los Angeles in 2006 to go to chiropractic school. And, um, I knew I wanted to be a chiropractor and I knew I wanted to help people, um, naturally or with my hands because I had a really profound experience when I studied abroad in Africa. Where in Africa?

I went to Tanzania. Okay. And that was like a wake-up call for me. I did that in undergrad. And at that moment, I was on like the pre-med route, ready to go to medical school. But when I got to Africa, we were doing a medical mission trip and doing triage and we were there and we were prescribing medication. And I was like, wait, we're going to be gone in a few months and people are going to

run out of medication. And we haven't really supported their lifestyle or their practices. All we've done is like bring in our mess and now, now they're addicted to drugs. And so, you know, this was back in like 2004, 2005, where I had to call my parents from a pay phone in Africa and say, I'm not going to. And what is a payphone, Lindsay, for those who don't know? Like I had to get a calling card to get to the payphone and walk a mile to the city. But anyways, I told my parents, I was like, I'm not going to medical school. Count me out. I can't do that.

I need something else. I need something natural. And so I came home and worked weighted tables in my hometown of New Braunfels, which will be relevant later. And I saved enough money to go to Los Angeles to attend chiropractic school. And the question in 2006, when you were in Tanzania, did you see any live births there? No, we did. I saw lots, lots of things, but actually no birth. And I'll tell you, the one thing that kind of changed, like that was like divine intervention,

mind blowing was a mom that brought me her son. And this was her sixth kid. And he was probably, I would say like five, six, seven years old. And they like, we would set up shop and like, like as big as this room, this like 10 by 10 room. And, um, people would show up from all over. Like we would say we're having clinic come in and people would walk forever. And then on days we weren't. Like we would say, we're having clinic come in and people would walk forever. And then on days we weren't there, we would walk to really remote villages and see the people that couldn't walk to us. Um, so like the intention was so, I loved it so much, but this mom that brought her son to me, um, she told me that he was having seizures and that he was paralyzed on one side of his body.

And when I examined him, he had a little bit of use, but not much of his like left hand, like he could walk, but it was like dragging. And knowing what I know now, I would have like delivered chiropractic adjustments in a heartbeat. Um, but at the time, all they wanted me to do, like my overseeing doc there, all they wanted me to do was prescribed, um, like a sedative, um, to, so his mom could give him a sedative whenever he was having a seizure. And, um, I said, that doesn't make any sense because like I said, this is the medication's going to run out. She was thinking her son was possessed and he's not like long story short. I traced back that, um, he had gotten meningitis that had gotten all the way up to the brain,

um, whenever he was young and they couldn't make it to the hospital. Um, and so that's, that's what, um, kind of affected him. But, um, I, I took the mom outside with the translator, told her what was going on. I was like, look, your son's not possessed. Um, there's no evil. He's a beautiful spirit, but, um, he does need extra love and care. And the And what they want to do is offer this medication whenever he's having a seizure. It's up to you if you want to take it or not. But I would sort of work through this with him. And it was the gnarliest experience because she just cried and cried and cried with me. And that's when I knew I was like, oh, shit, I can't do this. Like this,

this is no good. I need better tools. Like I don't have the tools I need to help this situation. Um, so that was the case that got me, but, um, yeah, no births in Africa. I didn't, Oh, good. That statement you just said, I don't have the tools. I didn't see – oh, go ahead. med 86% of all medical expenditures go towards fixing a problem that doctors do not have the tools to fix. And, and, um, and, and the 14%, which are the gunshots, um, the falling down the stairs, um, the crashing on your bike,

doctors have amazing tools, amazing tools to fix. And God bless those doctors who do it. And I'll address something that someone said in the comments here. Thank you to all the firefighters, paramedics who show up on scenes of car accidents, things like that to help people. But the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of ailments that people go see doctors, the doctors do not have the tool. But what's worse than that is the doctors do then claim they have the tools and fix them. Do you think that if you would have gotten, and I know this is speculative, that if you would have had a medical degree and already spent eight years going to school to become a doctor, it would have been harder to

admit that? For sure. Like you'd have been like, no way. I'm, I have the cure for you. I'm yeah. Take this met, met a foreman. You know what I mean? Yes, absolutely. Because like, if you think about what medical school is like, so many of them are sleep deprived, they're nutritional deprived. They're not exercising. Um, Oh, there you are. They're, they're just getting, they're in a bubble and they're not seeing the outside world. You know, very few medical doctors, more so now than ever, had done CrossFit by the time I had gotten out of chiropractic school and done CrossFit. So yeah, they're kind of brainwashed inside of this bubble they're in, in residency. And all their continuing education is,

sorry, most of their continuing education my wife is like stop saying all um most of their continuing education is is paid for by uh pharma anyway absolutely yeah it's um and what does that mean people that means that your local coke dealer is telling is sending you off to the golf club to teach you classes on why coke can heal everything and then doctors are being brainwashed with that shit and it's not a joke it's not it's not even something i'm saying lightly it's not a conspiracy theory it's like they i've spoke to hundreds of doctors i i want to address something i don't know if you can see the client the comments lindsey okay it's on youtube um and they're scrolling down the site.

And a gentleman, Kyle Anders, said, hey, I understand why people would want home birth, but I'm a firefighter, and I've been to three home births that have gone wrong. And it's not an ideal plan when there's five grown men carrying a birthing mother down two flights of stairs. mother down two flights of stairs. I have only been, I, I have been to one, I've been to one hospital birth. There's a very, very, very, very wealthy young lady and her husband. And I was in the room. And when we got to the hospital and I'd already had the birthing experience with my wife and I got to the hospital and the doctor and the nurses came in there and they they started hooking this lady up to all sorts of machines machines that could hear her heartbeat the baby's heartbeat they had things plugged in all over her and she was in this and she was in a bed and she was in a small room and I'm just thinking myself like this isn't like the

house like even though we only had a 400 square foot apartment my wife could get up and go to the bathroom or she could move around or she could get into the bathtub. This lady was trapped in a bed that wasn't her bed. The sheet smelt like a little bit still like bleach. And I'm thinking to myself, wow, the baby's going to come out and this is the first thing the baby's going to smell. And my kids who are four and six can't even like if I take them like to a jack in the box or something. They went to their first jack inin-the-box about two months ago they were they thought the place smelled like complete garbage they they cannot stand the smell of that place and and i'm obviously um uh what's that

called oblivious to it yeah i've become i've been i'm oblivious to it i got used to the smell of rotting dead garbage flesh coming out of a window. Anyway, the doctor walks in and he says to her, I've been here six months. I hope this is the first live birth I see and we don't have to do a C-section. That's how he greets the woman. Yes. That'll put you in a good mind space. Yeah, he was such a sweet, nice young man. He didn't know any better.

But what I'm saying is, is you're a firefighter you are called to situations where there where there is um the worst called to only bad shit yeah and it's the same thing in defense of my wife's ogby and she said i want you to know that i am trained to find problems totally okay they're trained really good at it. Yeah. They're trained great at finding problems, diagnosing surgical procedures, all of that. All of our births were illegal, by the way. No, they were all free births or. Meaning illegal, meaning we broke law. The state of California, a woman is not allowed to have a home birth past the two weeks past her past 42 weeks.

Yeah, something like that. And then you're also not allowed to birth twins at home. Can you imagine this for all you women out there? Yeah. Who like are fighting for rights or people you. There's five for those rights. Like there's plenty of women that have and carry pregnancies to 43 weeks, 44 weeks. It's not as common, but there are out there. And the midwife will check. Anyway.

Okay. So, so, so, so you leave Tanzania and you realize you don't want to be in medical school and go on. Sorry. Go on. Sorry. my values and my personal medical and healing philosophies, which I had been searching for for so much. Looking back and doing my homework at examining my birth and my health coming in, I realized, oh, whoa, we got a lot of cleaning up to do. And what I mean by that is I was born a month early. And so they put me in NICU and automatically I was separated from my mom. There was no skin to skin. There was no bonding. That golden hour did not happen. I wasn't breastfed. I was fed soy formula and I was fed soy formula in the hospital every day. And I threw up every day. And they're like, something's wrong with her GI system. She keeps throwing up. No, fools, like soy formula is no bueno. So like those things were happening to me.

I did not have the comfort of my own mother, like that skin to skin, that co-regulation. And finally, I got out of the hospital. And within a year and a half, they diagnosed me with asthma. And so then I was put on steroid inhalers, antibiotics for a good portion of my childhood and allergy shots once a week. Like I was one of those sick kids, you know, with the inhalers and, um, you know, my gut never had a chance to form. There was no bonding, which is so, so crucial for cognitive and social development. There's like a lot of the early things that could have happened or should have happened weren't there. And so I had to revisit that and chiropractic school helped me explore that because I was exposed to, there are people in chiropractic school helped me explore that because I was exposed to, there are people

in chiropractic school that are like second and third generation chiropractors and they had kiddos. And that was the first time I was like, whoa, you had your kids at home? What was that like? Or your kids have never been vaccinated or never had an antibiotic or, and these were the healthiest kids I know. And for me, I was like, what would it have been like to grow up like that? You know, to, um, to have that kind of experience and for, you know, instead of taking me to get allergy shots, go to the chiropractor,

go to the acupuncturist or change my diet, you know, anything put me in swimming, change my diet, you know, anything, put me in swimming, some kind of exercise. So all those like got the wheels going. And, you know, fast forward, I still thought I was going to go the like sports route of chiropractic, the orthopedic stand on the sidelines. Because I played soccer, and I was a cheerleader in high school. And those were like my go-to sports. And I loved being on the sideline. What were your go-to sports, cheerleading and what? Soccer. Okay.

And I loved being on the sideline and the support person. Fast forward, I got out of chiropractic school and I was hired by a small company and I worked in the Hollywood film and TV industry. And so I was on the sidelines, but I worked in film on stunts and getting people ready for the biggest stunt of their life or recovering, prehabbing, all that. So that's where I got really good exposure or like a ton of experience in rehabbing the body and preparing it and going through that cycle over and over again. I also-

How about mental preparedness for those people? Absolutely. So they're gonna, I mean, I say this with all due respect, please don't anyone run the wrong direction with this. The biggest stunt a woman will perform in her life will be giving birth. For sure. And so on a much smaller scale, a guy jumping out of a 15-story building into an airbag. Yeah.

At that point, are you not only learning the physical, you're learning the mental? Like as you talk to these people people you're staying present with them you're like making sure you don't read into their any of their dramatic energy you're absolutely yeah and you know this company was also hired by some of the greatest athletes in the world in the world like soccer basketball whatever and so i had that exposure and you know, blip in my life. I was an athlete, so I could relate a little bit. But, you know, somebody that broke their toe while rehearsing still has to continue to perform and dance on it, you know, and so how do we get out of the pain cycle and just stay present in the in the the rehearsing of it. Um, jumping out of the window,

going through glass over and over and over again, breaking ribs, that sort of thing. Um, so I had a lot of experience with that. And I, like I said, the sidelines was like where I thrived. I don't love being the center of attention, but I love supporting. I realized I love supporting people doing what they love and doing what they love and thriving at it. And so just making note of that, I, my first client that ever. One more thing too, there's a risk assessment thing. I had a psychiatrist on from Stockholm. He ran the largest psychiatric hospital in Stockholm. a psychiatrist on from Stockholm. He ran the largest psychiatric hospital in Stockholm. Something ever hard. This was like 120 episodes ago. I should have him on again.

But basically he said, what we're seeing right now in society is a mass, mass psychosis and delusion. And it comes around the lack of ability to do risk assessment and risk assessment, second and third grade math, and to be able to contextualize things but what you're also saying there is is is um you you said something that made me think of risk assessment in regards to doing being on the sidelines stunts i'll think of it again but sorry but risk assessment is crazy important it's crucial and especially going into the motherhood, parenthood transition. Yeah. So one of my clients was a, she was an actress and she'd been on a TV show for, for a number of seasons. And she came to me and this is where things started to switch for me. She came to me and said, I want to be in the best shape mentally, physically, spiritually, everything

for pregnancy because we want to have a baby. And I want to do it in this off season time of the show and recover and then be ready to shoot again. And me growing up standard American, like never been exposed to birth, never saw my mom breastfeed, never saw an aunt or anybody give birth or breastfeed. What I had seen was birth in the movies and the TV shows. And, you know, as you, you know, now like it is, that is not birth. Um, and so I was like, Oh, okay, let's figure this out. Um, and I started taking, this was like one of the only courses at the time was Chris Cressor's baby code. And that was all about nutrition.

And then I started studying nutrition around, um, different cultures and tribes of the world. And so we started altering her diet and, um, meaning a lot more animal products, um, animal protein and, um, just cleaning it up. And then she got pregnant within like three months. And we were doing chiropractic care and nutrition. Is that weird that you took that route? Like that scene is more inundated with a – I'm trying to be nice – a vegetarian or vegan um yeah in la especially like yeah vegan diets are like it was trendy yes yes what was it we how did how just uh quickly i don't

want to completely derail you for the thousandth time but how did you know to go the animal way, the animal? Well, based on what I'd studied and like I had just looked into nutritional stuff. And for some reason, I went that way. And I think because at the time I had started cleaning up my diet and I had removed commercial dairy, I had removed grains and glutens, and I started feeling like one million times better. I had removed grains and glutens and I started feeling like 1 million times better. And so I looking at cultures around the world, they would save and just like a lot, the most nutrient dense animal products like organ meats, um, milks, things like that for their couples that were trying to conceive or that were nursing or like in that window. And it's, it was, I was like, well, duh, that kind of makes sense. But why don't we know this? Why isn't this being talked about? So you're ahead of your time. Yeah, maybe.

So we just altered her diet a little bit, added some bone broths, a little more red meat So we just altered her diet a little bit, added some bone broths, a little more red meat in there. And like she got she got pregnant within three months. And then like she was like not a CrossFitter, none of that. So her were you CrossFitting at the time? So I was exposed to CrossFit and I dabbled in it. I'll tell you, my first exposure to CrossFit was people coming in to see me as a chiropractor. They're like, oh, I messed up my shoulder doing these things in Los Angeles.

Yeah. OK. Doing these things called like butterfly pull ups or snatches. And I was like, what the hell is that? So my curiosity finally led me to a CrossFit gym and I took my first class and I was like, wow, this is the most efficient way to work out. Let me do this. Okay. And what year was that? No, that was probably like 2010. Do you remember which gym you went to?

I went to CrossFit LA. Okay. And do you remember who owned that? Andy Patronik. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow. Holy cow. That's some OG shit. Holy cow. Right. Okay. All right. oh wow yeah wow holy cow that's some og shit holy cow right okay all right yeah um so that's i did that and i was like crossfit this is the most efficient way to work out where has this been

and then i started geeking out on like the crossfit journal and things like that and the article that turned me around was the one called what is fitness. And I was like, Oh, okay. So I just like kind of saved that for, you know, it's still, I still referenced that article in the birth fit education. Um, but anyways, yeah. So that woman changed the course. She got pregnant, had a great pregnancy. And my naive self and like her not knowing anything either, but trusting in me, we wanted to have a birth experience where she could recover quickly. And, you know, after all the things I've read and I came back to her and I was like, well, the most efficient way to give birth and to recover quickly would be with no medication.

And so she was like, OK, let's do that. And at the time, her crazy, crazy, crazy talk. Her husband was like, we're not having a home birth. I was like, OK, well, let's find a midwife. There was one midwife that would deliver at a hospital in Los Angeles. And so we found her delivered. She had a great experience, recovered quickly. And that's when I was like, oh, this is the sideline I want to be on. Like this lights me up. Was that the first birth you'd ever seen live? Yes. So I-

How did you react to that? Did you like it? Well, okay. So the birth before that was actually, I got called into this one that was this woman giving birth in an apartment. And it was a two-bedroom. And by this time, I had done doula training because I wanted to know more. Wow. Okay. Yeah.

And so I got called into this birth. It was a woman in an apartment, two rooms. Her sister and her mom were living in the other room. Wow. Okay. like this woman was beautiful and gave like her sanctuary was like her toilet and she sang like through every contraction and had the most beautiful voice and um for me i was just like i don't even know if i moved i don't even know what i did i probably was not the most supportive or helpful because i was just in awe. I was like, oh, like that's how you do it. Like this is the greatest thing I've ever seen. And so that prepared me for the next birth and everything else to come. And seeing that woman just like own it and just, she wasn't in pain ever. She wasn't suffering. She wasn't anything. She had a great midwife that, you know, like,

Wow. That's a great description. It is the ultimate when they, when you look up, that should be the picture you see when someone says you have to own something, you should see a woman giving birth. It was like, that was like Christmas Eve. Well, no, the 23rd. And so like that Christmas, I was like, that was my best Christmas gift. I was like, okay, somehow I got to be in this birth world. And I don't know what that looks like, but let's figure it out.

So fast forward, I got in a relationship and we opened a gym called Deuce Gym. Oh, I know that. Logan. relationship and uh we opened a gym called deuce gym oh i know that uh logan i don't know him but one of my friends a guy used to work with at crossfit would always talk about that gym a lot of people would always talk about that gym oh what's it um kevin daigle i think oh okay when we all got kicked to the spread to the wind when we all got well i think he came to deuce after i left oh okay okay but i would always see that gym on instagram i don't want to see and there's spread to the wind when we all got fired. I think he came to deuce after I left. Oh, okay. Okay. But I would always see that Jim on Instagram. I would always see.

And there's another guy there that I had on my podcast who used to work out there. He looks like he's like a, he looked like, like Ron Jeremy. Ron Jeremy could be his evil twin. Josh Reinhold. Josh. Oh, Josh. I love Josh. He's one of my friends.

Yeah. Yeah. He's awesome. Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. I love Josh. He's one of my friends, yeah. Yeah, he's awesome. Okay, okay. I'm sorry. I'm just contextualizing this, Jim. No, wait. Let me tell you this story about Josh. Okay. Because Josh.

I'm making a list of things we have to go back to, by the way. I want to talk about you being separated from your mom, by the way. There's an important piece there I think the world should know about how you got over that and how you've had to accept that to move forward which i obviously can tell you have you can't let the recognition of trauma then also become trauma on top of the trauma right but but okay so so um uh okay so tell me about josh sorry story okay so when we opened deuce josh was like one of the first people there and um i think i don't know how josh found it but doing strong man like we love strong man at deuce like all lifting the strong objects

everything and josh would be there like three or four hours a day and i got so frustrated with josh for not wiping off the bench and he would sweat all over it. And he didn't wear any clothes. He never, he never wears clothes. He would sweat all over it. And finally, I just was like, Josh, you have to wipe off the bench. Like ladies need to use this bench. Like there are ladies here too. And we, I don't want my body touching your sweat. Like I don't, it's just gross. Sure gross sure sure and so that's all i had to tell him and every day after that he was the cleanest guy ever but oh and then he went he came um he whenever he was figuring out where he was living he came to visit me when i was still living in austin back in i think it was, whenever all the craziness started.

So you opened that gym, Deuce. Yeah. And it's still around. It's still around. You could say it's like crossed over into almost an iconic. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

Everyone knows that gym. Is that gym in Venice? It's in Venice. It's on Lincoln and Rose. It's in an old garage. It's open. All the pictures I see, it's always sunny there, and there's always someone with their clothes off. Very few people wear clothes there.

Yeah, awesome. They're all beautiful people. Is it intimidating? It looks intimidating. So that was – And I know people are gonna be like nothing's intimidating so i'm on it's just you being intimidated quit being a pussy okay no but it is um because around the yard was like this this metal fence and like i said it's an old garage caged naked beautiful people and yeah and lincoln boulevard runs right in front of it

and lincoln boulevard is always busy, always traffic. And right when we open, people would have fender benders, like they would just, because they're driving and they're looking and then they just run into the, like rear end the person in front of them. But literally- They stare at Josh thinking he's a beautiful woman, get into a car accident and realize they were staring at a man. Damn it it they got tricked by that hair face is only like 900 square feet but the yard is what we used for classes and everything um okay yeah so that was my first exposure to um why actually we started coaching on the bluffs in santa marnica outside and we were looking for a space for like

two years and finally we found this space in Venice but um I had started a women's only class um the other days we had general fitness why did you start a women's only class because I felt why do women do that explain that to me. To be more inviting and have a safer space. Like we were talking about before, or like you mentioned, it can be intimidating. And I didn't want the barbells or the kettlebells to feel intimidating. Like I wanted, hey, we can learn this together. We can lift this weight together. I'll show you how to do it.

You know? That makes sense. lift this weight together. I'll show you how to do it. You know, that makes sense. Are women more, um, like, it's so weird to say this, but I remember being in a globo gym and wanting to learn how to do a deadlift and like, kind of like timidly walking over to a guy. I'd never seen it before, except just in movies and pictures. And there was a guy at the gym doing it. And I walked over, um, to, um to um yeah actually sorry someone in the comments here it's it is actually it is actually a serious question it is actually a serious question and right it's a serious question why you would start a woman's class

because in my mindset in my mindset i don't have i don't have a distinction between that right so so it is it is a serious question well i'll I'll say once I – what? Are women more scared than I was? Like I was scared. But now in hindsight, I'm like a deadlift is just picking shit off the ground. How could I have ever been so scared, right? I don't even recognize that guy. You were already doing it. But I was terrified.

And I remember the three months it took me to finally be able to deadlift 135. At first, I could just deadlift 65 pounds because because and I was like, wow, this is awesome. So I think once the so the women's only. Why not just do a beginner's class? I'm not opposed to a class, by the way, at all. Well, this is a serious question. This is like. Yeah.

But why not do a I'm scared class? Yeah, totally. I'm intimidated class totally um because women just don't want to do it around men particularly yeah and they don't the the asking the i know in a globo gym like one of the big complaints is like if they ask for help automatically the guy thinks they're being hit on um and they're like no i just want to learn you know um okay so but it's a natural proclivity that men and women are made to mate and that when you have and when you mix the two in the room there is that component whether you're trying

to push it out or not and so why not remove the mating component out and just have the women together yeah just for the beginning because fair Yeah. Just for the beginning, because yeah. And by the way, I've never heard that answer. And it was a brilliant question. Thank you so much. So whenever we got the space and we opened the gym, I had a women's only class Tuesdays and Thursdays, but this is so cool. Once the women felt comfortable, they asked me, they're like, can we make this a co-ed class? And after that, because they wanted to bring their boyfriends or husbands. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they wanted to mix and mingle.

They wanted to show off their new bodies. They were sure they were confident in their skin, whatever that that was and whatever that looked like. And so ever since then or since that moment, there's no and whatever that looked like. And so ever since then, or since that moment, there's no more women's only class. The only specific class we had was a postpartum class after that. So that was kind of cool. And I thought a really cool evolution to share with you about answering that question of yours. So it's like safety of the beginning. Right. I didn't interview with this lady. She's the strongest woman in, God, it's somewhere in the UAE. I hope I'm not screwing this up. And I'm struggling to remember her name. Beautiful woman's name starts with an A.

She's the only person I know in the world with that name that's why i can't remember it's not like her name's like cheryl but um she she's somewhere in the middle east anyway anyway so i said to her she only works out with women right and and when she does work out with men um she's uh or when she only works out with women in workout clothes when she works out with men they're they're covered up and i said hey man i'm like you spent all this time working on your body like don't you want to show your body off? Like, doesn't that suck having it covered? Like if I had your body, like I'd want it. And she's like, Hey, when I'm with the girls, I do show it off. I was like, all right, all right, good, good. That makes me feel better. I thought you were just like, this is humble monk. She's like, no, when I'm with the girls,

I do show that shit off. I was like, all right. All right. Okay. Sorry. Okay. You're like, no, when I'm with the girls, I do show that shit off. I was like, all right. All right. Okay. Sorry. Okay. Okay.

Okay. So when we opened the gym, what I noticed was it was a cross it's CrossFit affiliate and we're having CrossFit classes. But what I was observing was either women were stopping fitness like in the third trimester because they didn't know what to do and they just wanted they felt like it was the appropriate thing to do or they had how far is that third trimester is how close are you to having the baby so it's third trimester starts around 26 27 weeks and full term is considered 37 to 42 weeks so two and a half months before the baby comes out of the nine month cycle, you would see women being like, okay, I'm good. I'm going to stop. I'm good. Yeah. I'm

good on fitness. And then I wouldn't see him again for like two months, three months after. So just imagine this, this would, is what blew my mind. They had this community that they loved. They had this community that they loved. They showed up three, four times a week, and then they Or another thing would be their provider, whether it be an OB or in a midwife would be like, CrossFit's not safe, stop doing it. And so then these women that were working out, had a community, you know, doing something they loved were only told that prenatal yoga was safe or that bar method was safe. And they would just go to these classes that they maybe didn't love with people they didn't know or had developed relationships with. And that was

the acceptable form of fitness then, you know? Um, so that's what I was observing and I didn't love. Um, and so that's, and at the time I was a chiropractor and by this time I was working in two birth centers, one on the East side, one on the West side. And, um, As a doula or as a chiropractor? As a chiropractor, I had an office in each of those. And then I could attend, you know, births that were there whenever I was there. I was also a doula. So people would hire me as a doula. And early on in my career, I did teach hypnobirthing. I stopped teaching that because people would come back to me. They're like, Lindsay, we did not have a pain-free birth. And that's what you teach. I was like, well, that's weird.

They sent a video home and every single woman just like plopped this baby out. Like it was crazy. That is not the way my wife was. It was still amazing and i'm glad we did the class i i'm not talking shit but it was nothing like i taught it yeah but but it was uh it was great for my wife and i yeah any birthing class i highly recommend a birthing class absolutely the time together it was nuts i would be high as a kite when i would leave that class class because it was just three hours of uninterrupted sitting with my wife. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's like self discovery and you're working on yourself and your relationship and yeah, it's good stuff. Very subtle too. And a lot of shit that I just thought was such stupid cheese dick shit, but they, but,

but, but in hindsight, like I wouldn't change a thing. Yeah. I'm glad they had me do it. Whisper the affirmations in her ear, write them down, do the dancing shit. I got it. Yeah.

But I loved it. But I loved it. Yeah. So based on those observations. How many pregnant women did you have in the gym? So was there always some woman in there at a gym like Deuce? Was there always at least someone who was was like somewhere like either? Yeah. Or not? You know? Okay. Yeah. And by this time, people had started figuring out, okay, Lindsay's at deuce. She's

she's a safe space. She knows birth, go go to do she'll be fine. So then, okay, fast forward to however long, I don't know how long this took me, but the first class I held was the birth fit postpartum series. And this was like, I did not know how great this was going to be because- You did this at Deuce? I did this at Deuce. Birth fit postpartum class, meaning this is a class for women who've just had babies yes okay and it was designed to be four weeks twice a week and um yeah postpartum non-mobile babies are welcome so you know that's kind of the caveat like bring your bring your

non-mobile baby they can lay lay on the blanket, the rug, whatever. Um, so basically a year or less. Yeah. Yeah. And so for me, what had dawned on me was there's no postpartum rehab or care or respect or anything in our country. I'm somebody that blew out my ACL. I knew exactly what was happening when I woke up from surgery, three days after surgery, three weeks after surgery, but we don't give women anything after birth. And all we give, okay. Vaginal birth or cesarean, cesarean being a major abdominal surgery. And oh my God, there there's nothing. So I was like, okay, I'm going to write. That's crazy. Isn't it now when you say it out loud like that, you're like, it's just insanity. Yes. Yes. It's like, what? Yeah. So, okay. Taking all the driving a car

with three wheels and getting up to me like, yes. And not recognizing that it's missing a wheel. Yes. Like you're, it took 40 weeks for your body to change. Your center of gravity was altered. weeks for your body to change your center of gravity was altered your ribcage is flared you have an excessive lumbar spine lordosis now like your diaphragm got pushed up everything changed yeah we have to address this we have to rehab and um so you know and did you say diastasis did you say yeah diastasis like and and those women all need to be together, by the way, like to talk about that shit. Because when that shit happens to a woman and she doesn't have other women to talk about it with, she starts thinking like something bad happened to her. Or that she's the only one. Yeah.

And those are kind of just a byproduct. Even if you're not trying to do that at this class, you have all those women together and they can be like, Oh, your belly button does that now too. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I was the only, yeah. Awesome. Okay. Sorry. Cause I watched my wife do that, especially after she had twins, like you go on this, like, okay, I need to find other people who are dealing with this same shit. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Um, so by the way, my brother and sister are twins. Oh, wow. A younger or older? They're two years and a day younger.

Wow, that's almost like Avi and his twins. Yeah. Wow, yeah, they're about two years and a little less than a month. Wow. That's wild. Yeah, that is wild. Did they get born? Yeah. Are you a good older sister? I try to be. Yeah, that is wild. Did they get born? Yeah.

Are you a good older sister? I try to be. Yeah. Bobby's such a great older brother. It's nuts. Was there a lot of pressure on you as a kid? You know. To take care of him?

He feels so much pressure, I see. Yes. Looking back, like at the time, I don't think I felt it, but it was just like part of the gig. And for a bit, my mom was a single mom. And so she'd be like, take care of your brother and sisters. I'm going to, or brother and sister, I'm going to work like, wait, what? Okay. Um, did they have the same birth that you did? Basically, did they get separated from mom? So my brother did. So they were my brother did so they were both man they were both born vaginally um my sister was head down so twins used to be born like

born vaginally all the time in the hospital especially if baby b was um or baby a was head down and baby b could be breached that's how they kind of like fit in there sure makes sense um but now like if you have twins majority of the time they're like okay automatic c-section um and automatic c-section at like 37 weeks um twins i don't know how far y'all carried but they tend to be 40 weeks exactly that's amazing crazy yeah when my wife went in to get her ultrasound we're sitting in there it's my wife our two-year-old son avi and myself and this lady and this lady said did you do in vitro and my wife doesn't answer and i don't answer and at the time i'm like i don't even know what in vitro is yeah and then she's i was like oh does that mean that the the baby stuck in the fallopian tubes is that like one of those ones i've heard about that's bad

and and i'm just like holding my breath and then she says it again did you do in vitro and my wife says finally goes no and she goes well there's two babies in there and then i look up at the monitor and there's two bags in there with like the two aliens in there. And I'm like, and so I'm so excited. And you know what this lady tells my wife, the first thing she doesn't wife, what you will not be having. It looks like a C-section. No. Yeah. It looks like a C-section for you, honey. And my wife just starts bawling. Oh, I bet. My wife didn't want,

my wife didn't want another baby. She didn't want twins. She didn't want a C-section. Yeah. And I'm excited as fuck. And I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, hey, bitch, shut the fuck up. My wife will do whatever the fuck she wants. But I don't.

I just keep my mouth shut. And, of course, we did end up having the babies at home. And you're right. One of the babies came out weird. The baby came out not breathing. And it came out with its the the babies had to they had to spin the wife around and the baby had its hand like this actually i remember the woodwife putting her fingers in my wife's vagina and being like like oh this is like like telling me this is not good i feel a hand not a head yeah but when he came out he came out like this and he was completely he was unconscious and not breathing and and they um and they didn't tell my wife and

they just and they told me to be quiet as i'm holding the first baby and these these um three midwives and a doula resuscitated the baby on my wife's back and then which felt like hours to me when i look at the journal entry within 90 seconds that baby was on the tit was like, and I'm thinking if we would have done that in a hospital, that baby would have been separated from mom immediately. Yep. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. It's sorry. Sorry to hijack again, but it's, I love the hijack with the twin story any day. Okay. So, okay. So, um, uh, there's nothing of it where we had nothing's available for them in postpartum. Okay. So yeah, I decided to have a postpartum class or I call it the birth bit postpartum series and I had it fill up like the first time and it was the sight of seeing, um,

congratulations the sight of seeing um women walking into deuce you know into the parking lot with strollers and they're walking in they're going like where the f am i you know like is this is this a pregnancy postpartum place like come on yeah but for those of you who don't know deuce go look it up on instagram just go look at the yard sort of like the modern day, way cooler, trendier version of old gold's Venice Beach. Yeah. It's so cool. Okay, go on. Yeah. So after the first class, like we kind of shut the garage door a little bit, just made it a little more intimate.

Had yoga mats, like I kind of set the vibe a little bit as much as best I could do at deuce candles, candles, no candles. I should have had the like, uh, fake candles. Um, but okay. The class was an hour. They stayed like an hour and a half just talking. And like you were talking, mentioning earlier, having that connection piece is like, is night and day. It makes the whole experience of the motherhood transition just that much more fulfilling. And I had written, like I had this whole curriculum of, okay, we're going to do a little bit, a little bit of discussion and the topic of the day. And then we're going to get into all this rehab stuff.

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Air Mile. Well, I did the rehab stuff and then the discussion was like 45 minutes. And the bonding was everything. And many of the classes that we've since had, they'll sync up, like get in a group text. They'll meet up for coffee afterwards. Like that's the whole, the community is the missing piece there. And I could not have bet money on how big the community aspect of it was. And like, like you were mentioning, like, oh, I, I have urination or I pee in my pants when I do this, or my abs are still separated or the baby doesn't sleep at

night. Or what am I doing wrong? My, my, my nipples are crusty, like all that stuff. Like it was thrown out on the table or on the floor and talked about, like there were no subjects that were off limits. And one of the coolest things I ever witnessed was this woman wanted to be part of the birth fit postpartum series, but wasn't sure she wanted to do it, but wasn't sure because she had lost her baby late term. And the other group wanted her there. They welcomed her in with open arms. And oh my God, the woman said it was the best thing she's ever done. She would do it again in a heartbeat. And I could not, that's, that's man. That's a why, why, why not? Why did they embrace her? But how does that help heal her wound? I think just the community, like just

intense, right? Because the other, the other, the other women got got the baby they got the live birth yeah and she did and she did and she lost her baby and yeah i mean in a way shallower version right it's it's it's still hanging out it's like all you and your buddies try out for the um soccer team and you don't get it but you still hang you still want to go to the game it's it's intense but i think the community lifted her up in a way that I never could have expected. Great. Love it. Yeah. Like I never could have prescribed exercises to, you know, initiate this healing. It was the whole community.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You're admitting you don't there's not a certain amount of air squats that can heal that wound. You didn't have the tools to heal that wound. You needed the tools to heal that. No. And I like, that was the first time that, um, like I knew loss was a part of this game, like a part of motherhood transition and parenthood transition. Like one in three women have a miscarriage. And we had to, my wife had to. Yeah. First miscarriage, then baby, then miscarriage, crazy miscarriage and a whole nother nutty story. But my wife basically bled up, was bleeding out in the, in the tub and going unconscious

and I had to take her to the hospital and then she didn't want, and then, and then, and then twins. Yeah. Yeah. Nuts. Right. Okay. So, sorry.

So one in three miscarriages. Yeah. Yeah, nuts. All right. Okay, so sorry. So one in three miscarriages. Yeah. And you know what people would say to us? Why did you say you knew that the baby – people would actually have the nerve to say this to me. You knew that she was only 11 weeks pregnant or whatever they would say. Why did you tell people she was pregnant? Now you have to tell them she's miscarried. With the presupposition like I give a shit.

Like I'm like, fuck you. I'll tell you when I'm fucking her to let you know that I'm trying to get her pregnant. You know what I mean? I'll wear a shirt that says trying to get my wife pregnant. Don't tell me what to do. I can and can't tell you. Sorry.

Like I'm embarrassed. I'm not embarrassed. I'm embarrassed for you that you're, that you, that you're trying to put me in a, in a nightmare. That you're this emotionally immature to ask these things or to say these things. Like it's –

So sorry. You said one in three miscarriages and you were talking about loss. Oh, yeah. You knew loss was part of the game. Sorry. Yeah, and that just hit me. We don't talk about loss just like we don't talk about postpartum. We don't talk about loss. Now more than ever, postpartum is being talked about. But just like I would say, more so in the last year or two, people are recognizing that miscarriage and loss are part

of this transition and the conversations are being had. Yeah. So why do women have miscarriages? Is there an answer for that? I've always heard it's because the baby wasn't viable. The nice story is the baby wasn't viable and it's, it's sort of like God's way of weeding, weeding them out and don't worry, it's not a big deal. It's just like a, so, okay. There's a great book. If you've never read it, it's called spirit babies. Okay. Um, but it's all about, um, the spirits choosing us and maybe it's called spirit babies okay um but it's all about um the spirits choosing us and maybe it's not the right time maybe it's like giving us practice and then it will come back when we're ready but um i'll share with you that uh we had a miscarriage last year and um you know

everything we were with the midwife, everything was great. Um, but it was like, it was this, the, this, it just wasn't the right timing and blood work was perfect. Everything checked out, like prior to conceiving, like my blood work had never looked better. like my blood work had never looked better. And, um, I will share, it was the most beautiful experience slash messy slash hard slash crying, like as you've been through, but I felt so supported with the team and my partner and everybody around me. And I just, I want that for people that do have miscarriages and loss and go through that because it can be a beautiful healing experience. And I worked with, um, like, um, I have a spiritual hippie

side of me. And, um, for me, what came up in my meditations and my healing was, um, you know, that I immediately felt from the moment I knew it when we conceived and I knew it was a male spirit. And so whenever I was talking to like some of my guides, they were telling me that you were a vessel and this was part of the healing process of the, of your maternal side for, for the males on your maternal side. And for me, that just made so much sense. And I was at peace with that. And I knew that my body was in the best shape it was, but that maybe this spirit was not meant to come earthside, that I served in the best way I could by being this vessel and help complete that spirit's

journey. And for me, that brought me peace. And like you said, I think our bodies, especially when we're operating and have this lifestyle of living optimally, then automatically when there's not when there's not a viable pregnancy or when they know it won't make it earthside, our body does does what it's designed to do to, you know, get rid of the pregnancy. And, you know, I think that's a like, that's pretty phenomenal. You know, like, it's, don't want to say magic but it's it's wild do other animals have miscarriages oh great question i'm sure they do i haven't ever looked

that up because you know that there's this um yeah there's these behavior like they study zoo animals and they study their behaviors and they um and they're so different than the animals that are in the wild. And it's a direct correlation or mirror of what happens to humans who are put inside a pressure cooker situations. I wonder, I wonder, and male animals do horrible stuff to the kids of other male animals. Yeah, it's a trip as those examples but i wonder okay um how many weeks how many weeks was your baby it was eight weeks eight weeks okay and did you

ever see the baby did you ever see like a because we never saw any of our my wife never had an ultrasound or anything like that that was the route we were going was you know pretty tech-free um so you hadn't seen your baby either but took about five pregnancy tests they were all positive right right right of course and i wasn't i wasn't suggesting that in the slightest i was just wondering because and the reason why i wonder is i wonder if it was easier for my wife because she didn't see yeah and um yeah because she didn't see we never heard a heartbeat or we for either of them or or or solid not and by the way i'm by i'm not suggesting by any means that it was easy for my wife yeah i'm but but um but it was, I shouldn't speak for it, but I need to have her on the show. But I would, but, but it wasn't, but it was a growth experience.

Like, it sounds like it was for you. Like, it was just like, just another part of life. It was like, okay. Yeah. And I don't think I would have handled it with such grace had I not, you know, worked on myself and explored my birth and all the stuff before, you know, um, I think if anybody's going down the conception route or they want to become pregnant, they should definitely explore how they were birthed into this world and, or explore their relationships with each of their parents and just kind of go from there,

see what that brings up, you know? To go back a second and then we'll keep moving forward. When you find out all of this stuff happens to happen to you at your birth, did you did you want to do any poor me stuff? Man, no, because I'd already done that in life um i already played the victim card um and drug myself out of you know rock bottom and i had this was part of me taking responsibility for myself and my actions and so i did yeah i that didn't occur to me because I was like, no, you can't play the victim card again. You have very large eyes.

I know. Like you're very like, here I am. Lindsay's here. Were your eyes like that as a kid? Yes. Oh, interesting. Okay. Interesting.

I'll show you a picture. I'll send you one. Interesting. I was thinking that maybe that was part of – like your eyes noticeably physically got more opened as you shed those – Ew. That – those beliefs. Those layers. Yeah, the victim mindset because I think that that does happen to people. As they shed the victim mindset, their eyes start to like – you start to start to become like oh my god like i can see out into the world this

is a whole new world yeah this is a whole new yeah this is all this is a whole new world you have a really incredible skin eyes and hair um for someone who went through all that stuff as a child i think those are often you you'll see the skin eyes and hair people are absolutely less, less vibrant, vibrant, maybe, or yeah. And people who've had a lot of trauma and don't get past it. Yeah. I think, um, I, I give credit making that shit up. It's just my own. I know I'm not, I give credit to the nutrition and all the – like the lifestyle I lead because it's probably now been close to 15 years. So you do the first class and it's a big class. And this specific class was for –

Postpartum. Postpartum. Mm-hmm. And this was in 2000 – Oof 2000 you opened the gym in 2013 2013 okay and and going back to the community thing the the my biggest disappointment it's not a regret that'd be too hard was is that we didn't keep in closer contact with the people who were in our birthing class because there really is a bond with them. And you were talking about that. When,

when you get together with all those other couples or when those women get together and they have people to bounce stuff off, there's stuff that's so much better than meeting with your doctor. Yes. Yes. And, and, and the other thing is, is if you do get, so biased again on my part, if you do get a really good midwife. So for our twins, we ended up with three midwives and a doula and our doula was from Uganda and she had done, she had done like a hundred twin births. So that was awesome. Right. Yeah. In Uganda. Right. And I don't know how many, I don't know if it was 50 or a hundred. I'm just saying a hundred, but she had said she'd done more than she could ever count. Um, but these midwives end up, there's a, there's a, there's like the King midwife, the queen midwife. And she stays, she stayed with my wife to this day. So even though my kids are like four and seven,

like if my wife has a question about something going on with her vagina or the kids or her boobs or like anything she wants to talk about like she just calls the midwife and it's kind of like we're like this midwife replaced my wife's ogbyn so like my wife would literally do her appointments on her bed naked and i would just be sitting there and we could all ask all the questions we want and there was a baby laboratory yeah i mean what's this doing what's this doing like this? I mean, it was, uh, and you have all the time in the world. They're not running away. It's not 15 minutes. Yeah. It's, it's, it's so cool. And then, so afterwards, after my wife has a baby, she stayed in contact with them and they've basically,

once again, I'm not discounting doctors. And by the way, uh, for, for, for, I think the guy's name was Kyle Anders. I appreciate what you did. And I thank you for chiming in. It's awesome. For those women that you carried to the hospital and those firefighters who did that, that woman is eternally thankful, I'm sure. But if you can find a good midwife, and I've actually never heard of anyone having a bad midwife. Man, and it's not cheap. I know it's not cheap. It's out of pocket. That's the unfortunate thing with our health care system is set up as sick care. And, you know, at the 1900s, like that century, majority of births were happening out of hospital. And sometime between

the 1950s and 1960s, they moved to the hospital. Really that long? So in the 40s, it was still majority of home births in the United States? Yeah, it was around the time and I'm butchering dates. Wow, I had no idea. With numbers, but there's a great book called Made in the USA, Born in the USA. And then there's another book called lying in, and they both kind of talk about the history of birth in America and, um, hospital births being, being the majority has only been around maybe 50, 60 years, but it's enough to like our generation.

And then maybe our parents' generations, depending on how old we are um but it was around the turn like the same time of insurance becoming a thing um it was around the same time as um just kind of i want to say like um what do you call it the like when the manufacturing lines like the um industrialization that was okay that would start like cars on conveyor belts, all that. So they're trying to figure out how to just how to make money and how to make it quicker. And I don't think it was an intentional thing with medical doctors being like, oh, birth is always going to happen. So that's always going to be a moneymaker for us. But it was like the AMA took off at around the

same time, the American Medical Association, and they had big lobbying. So if you just look back and look at all the things happening around the same time, it's kind of like no wonder birth got pushed into the hospital. And if you just think about it, like birth is a natural process. It's been happening way, way long before we got here. And if it didn't work, then we wouldn't be here. But now it got pushed. Billions serve billions. Yeah. Yeah. And like if we get if if China has served billions of us. Yeah. But if it didn't work, then we wouldn't be here. And now it got pushed into a place of sickness and pathology and like, no, my wife is 100% just normal. And most people aren't normal.

And what do I mean by normal? My wife can wake up in the morning and she can do 100 air squats my wife doesn't my i've never in 20 years i've been with my wife i've never seen her eat a candy bar or 30 years however long i've been with her like my wife's just normal my wife eats um it's physiological normal by the way my wife was a vegetarian uh hardcore vegetarian and and she was pregnant with our first kid and we went to a hamburger place and my wife ate like a bird and drank water like a bird like my wife would spent all day sipping like a thing of a canister of water and my and some people see my wife as petite i don't see her as petite she's five five like 140 pounds, about 130, 140 pounds. Um, uh, very, but, but very lean, but very lean and, um, and a small waist. And, um, but I would always just see her like not eat a lot like

Harley. And then one day when she was like two months pregnant, we went to a hamburger place and I already noticed her water consumption was going up, but we went to a hamburger place and she ordered a hamburger and I saw her eat the whole – this is a vegetarian for years. She ate the entire hamburger, the bun, and then somewhere along in the pregnancy, she started acting like a man. Yes, I'm being sexist because I see a lot of men do this. She starts pouring water in, like oil into a car. I would see her in the morning prime that shit with a pint of water. You know how you do that in college? You've been drinking all night, night and you wake up and the first thing you do is pour a pint in?

Yeah. And so for the next four years, as she became this baby factory, she turned into this carnivorous water consumer. I couldn't believe – I was like this is – and I used to just love watching her drink water because she used to just sip it. She would open the bottle of water or something and take such a small sip by the way now she would never drink plastic yeah and now it's just like poor when she was pregnant and breastfeeding and all that she just pour one in just a prime i'm like dude this is dude shit this is like this is incredible and she didn't even flinch she just knew yeah she just knew to switch from vegetarian to just she ate.

I'm like, first of all, I can't believe you ate a whole hamburger, the bun, the fry. I can't believe you just did this. But going back to my what we're saying, half of the women and I'm making this number up, but I bet you are so unhealthy when they get pregnant that I almost can't blame them for going to the doctor. blame them for going to the doctor because I don't know what the deal is. If you're, I don't know what the deal is. If you're insulin resistant, 60 pounds overweight and have a baby.

I don't know if you should, if you have business, I have my own bias and prejudice in, in, in hate speech that I don't even think you should be getting pregnant, but that's just me. But, but I sure as hell don't know if you should be doing it at home.

So that's the, that's the white, that's the elephant in the room, right? Like, don't know if you should be doing it at home so yes that's it that's the white that's the elephant in the room right yeah like hey man if you're if you if you're not we know that if a man gets so fat he can turn into a woman we we've we've seen men who get so fat and their hormones get so out of whack that they're that they're almost not men anymore and i'm not talking about gender i'm talking about sex i'm talking about based on sex biology just based on if whether there's man or woman that the only trait a man can get so fat that the only trait that's left of him as a man is his penis because your hormones are so out of whack not because you're fat that's just correlate yes

i don't know what happens to a woman when she becomes so out of whack that like, like I, I know that your, your walking has changed, but I don't know if your baby capabilities of making capabilities have changed, but I have to assume they have, because I already see you can't get up and down a flight of stairs normally. Right. From the superficial of how you walk to maybe something deeper of how you have a baby. So, so in that regards, like I feel for doctors on this. Yeah. And I think that like, you know, there's a lot of unexplained, I say fertility obstacles. I don't use the word infertility because all of a sudden they put a label on you, like you're infertile. And then that, that gets in women's heads. I like it. Fertility obstacles.

That gets in women's heads. I like it. Fertility obstacles. So there's so many unexplained fertility obstacles in our country. And now more so than ever. And the quality of sperm has gone down over the last decade. So it's like, why don't we- Is that all nutrition? Exactly.

Why don't we look at nutrition and lifestyle? Is that all nutrition? Exactly. Like, why don't we look at nutrition and lifestyle? That's the easiest fix and like the most like tangible for so many people. Rather than prescribing fertility drugs or IVF or IUI, why not get base level blood and hormone panels, look at nutrition, revamp a lifestyle practice. And then if that's, if you've done that for a year and you're still having these fertility obstacles, then maybe let's explore, you know,

ART, assisted reproductive technology. But yeah, it's more, now more so than ever, our human population is having trouble conceiving and holding pregnancies. And it's just, I think, the quality of our eggs and sperm and then the quality of the terrain or the environment by which they are grown and nourished in. It almost seems like there should be some sort of baseline test. it almost seems like there should be some sort of baseline test like if you can't do 10 burpees on the minute for for 10 minutes and if you can't go a week without eating added sugar then and i and i know i'm being a bit cavalier with it but but it seems like there should be some um it's it's like it's you know how like like a pilot, every time before they take off in the plane, he has to check the plane. He has to walk around and go to the checklist.

Yeah, it's almost like, hey, man, if you want to get pregnant, you really need to meet some of these basic things. And same with the dude. Yeah, absolutely. Because he's going to have to also help take care of the baby. Like you're going to have the baby. Yeah, and especially the first year, he's going to have to take care of the mom that just gave birth to the baby. You know? Historically, women have had babies so young, right? Is that, is that an accurate statement?

Yeah. I would say the younger, like definitely younger in our lives where now more so women are waiting later and later. Um, and then past 35, if you're in the, in the medical model of things, you're deemed geriatric where where you know sometimes oh that was another thing my wife was over 35 when she had yeah the babies and that in that freaked the doctors out and of course the midwives were like nah don't worry about it you're good yeah yeah even if your your blood work is beautiful and you've been the healthiest you've ever been you're labeled geriatric your Your placenta could expire. Yeah.

Part of me really appreciates the fact of having the babies young. Like I'm like, yeah, yeah. Get those. You have energy to do it. Yeah. Get those women pregnant when they're 19. But in concept, in practice, I don't see how anyone has a baby before they're 35 is is that do you know what I mean like I don't know yeah or I'm I'm 49 when I when when I was young and I would think about having a kid it was like oh

I can't wait to have a kid so I can run all day and have a Frisbee partner and do all this stuff with him. But now that I'm older, I can't do that. Even though I crossfit, I can play Frisbee for like an hour at the beach. But then I do have to sit down and like chill. I can't break myself. I have to drive the van home. But I'm okay with that. It's actually even better to watch my kids than to play with them or at least equal.

than to play with them or at least equal. I just wonder how, how, what, what is the conventional wisdom on that? And there's, there's a selfless component as we get older that I just can't imagine having when I was in my thirties. Oh, I'm with you. Like, I think Lindsay, Lindsay in her twenties was entirely selfish, you know. But wasn't your body more prepared at 20 to have it? I mean, it is true, right? The younger people would carry a baby better or is it not true? Especially females because you're born with all the eggs you'll ever have. That's nuts, by the way. Every time I hear that, I'm like, no, it can't be true.

Yeah. So, yes, there is a i guess an expiration date on females at some point but we don't know that for each individual you know um every individual is different and i strongly believe that the healthier you are the more optimal you're living that you're supporting and nourishing those eggs inside of your body. But yeah, I do think just in history and traditional cultures around the world, they would have babies younger. But I also think they had other things in their culture, like rites of passages in which they were,

the maturity level was just upped, you know, like the emotional maturity level was just elevated by the time they were 21, 25, you know, in that sense. Where I think for us as Americans, we don't leave the house until we're 18, maybe. And- 34, 34. 34. And so- Don't laugh, Lindsay. I'm right 34. And so don't laugh, Lindsay.

I'm right here in front of you. Don't laugh. Like our emotional maturity level doesn't doesn't, you know, capitalize until we're in our 30s, mid 30s and sometimes even 40s, you know. So I don't know. We might be rewriting the script here. we might be rewriting the script here there's also the piece a woman who has bodies uh bodies a woman who has babies when she's in her 20s her body would be theoretically and i think it's true would be more resilient and bounce back yeah better and be stronger it's healing it's healing faster than other women and then on the other hand

a woman who is in her um 30s ors who has a baby, she's also more psychologically prepared, hopefully, to deal with whatever changes in her bodies are. She's more accepting it. purely for mental work I've done on myself than I was when I was younger. Like I just shut all that shit down. I just tell it to go away. Like, shut up. There's no, you're not welcome here anymore. And yeah, it's just, it's just interesting. Maybe you could provide more physically for a child when you're younger, but you have more money when you're older and you're more emotionally prepared and more selfless, or maybe that's not good because you spoil a baby. The jury's still out for me. Like, I don't know. But it seems hard to me to think that people give up their youth to have babies and that sick people are having babies.

Those are two things that, like, I definitely don't think sick people should be having babies. And by sick, I mean you poison your body on the reg. Yeah, yeah. Do you have those hard talks with people? Well, okay. So now my practice, I'm chiropractic. I'm opening a practice in New Braunfels, Texas, which is full circle. I'm opening in January.

Congratulations. Thank you. So I do have those chats with people, especially when they come in and they're, you know, Hey, I want to get pregnant. I've heard chiropractic can help. I heard we're having trouble, that sort of thing. And so I talked to them about their entire lifestyle. I'm also a Mercier therapist now, which is, um, uh, gyno visceral manipulation. And it's basically for a fertility journey, um, or just to support a fertility journey. And you can also use Mercier for postpartum healing. What is that? You touch the vagina and the pelvic and the hips and all

that stuff and manipulate it like a chiropractor to help it well on a baby it's like a deep massage on like the ovaries the uterus all in the abdomen and then the surrounding hip and musculature from the top from the top from the inside yeah i don't go inside okay um no internal stuff um and if you look at mercier therapy it's got a huge success rate for um conceiving and then live births where art assisted reproductive technology maybe has a 20 success rate for live births and that's chemicals in you right art as they do some hormones yeah yeah talking with your hormones people is crazy it's that's why eating sugar is so bad messing with your hormones is so nuts yeah and which i and that's one of the things we touch on like you said like when people come that's a scary word people should be afraid of that word that's the word people should be using what would

you call it fertility challenge i like that yeah really obstacles and obstacles yeah obstacles that's even better but the one you should really be scared of is fucking with your hormones okay sorry that phrase yeah yeah like if anything says like if it's a synthetic hormone whether it be pitocin like pitocin is a synthetic hormone it's man-made it's it does not act the same in your body. So like, if you're getting synthetic hormone in labor, your body is not going to respond to the physiology is not going to respond to that the same it would as oxytocin, which is the hormone is designed to mimic. So if you're getting synthetic hormones at any part of this journey, it's going to alter your state of being. And that's, you know, that's why

fertility obstacles are so hard on couples because it's messing with emotions. It's messing with finances. It's messing with the whole dynamic. And so when people come to me and they're like, oh, we want to have a baby. We want to do like the first thing, like, what does your lifestyle look like? What does your food look like? Are are you exercising have y'all explored your births you know how do you know how you came into this world and we start there and why is that important sorry if you went over that i know it's the third time you said it but finally it just hit me no because the um like if there was a traumatic thing happening when you came earthside, or if maybe you were conceived and you were unwanted, like all of that imprints on the energy and the soul of, of the baby,

I do believe. And so twins, my poor twins, but it's not like if you revisit it and you come back to it and you kind of dissolve the power of that. Like that's working on it. That's that's going through that and, you know, kind of making making peace with it. So I think that those are huge things to explore. Why would that affect your fertility, though? You're saying it's some sort of trauma that affects your. Yeah, there might be a subconscious mental block there of either partner. yeah there might be a subconscious mental block there of either partner you know maybe they weren't um wanted or maybe they came into this world and it was they spent a lot of time in

or whatever and um it was just hard and they didn't get the bonding and maybe you know if someone's listening to you like that's bullshit it doesn't work like that just give her the fucking in vitro get her her pregnant. What are you talking about? It's not. But you know what? Let's say Lindsay is wrong. Yeah, let's say it's still it's still it's still it's still a net gain. It's it's it's exactly it's still a net gain to work through it and explore exactly what I'm saying about this pandemic.

Stop eating sugar. No, no one has died who doesn't eat added sugar. And if I'm wrong and if i'm wrong if i'm wrong you still win you don't get type 2 diabetes i mean i mean you still win yeah still win okay so sorry it's just funny that people will go i know people will glom on to things and be like that's who cares big picture big picture like you said it's not it's not a losing it's not bullshit by the way i know it's not i i feel you it's not bullshit yeah so so so do you have those hard talks with them my wife is very my wife is um i'm pretty vicious on this podcast and my wife has had a lot of talks with

me that she doesn't like the way i i portray myself and i and i really appreciate her feedback um because i see people uh um my thought is this you see you see someone who's killing themselves and i think it's perfectly okay to say pull the fucking gun out of your mouth you moron like i think it's okay to say that and she's like seven like how about like um excuse me sir and gently put your hand on their back and and like talk to them and i go because that's not how i want to be talked to if i'm running full speed towards a cliff and i'm looking up i want someone to be like hey you big-nosed armenian fuck look down you're about to run off the edge of a cliff and i'll be like i want to stop and be like yo Yeah. That is not my wife's approach. Right. When you see someone come in who it's

obvious to you that they have a lifestyle practice, that's not conducive to being a baby factory. Yeah. What is your approach? Are you, are you gentle? Are you blunt? Are you like, I think there's a gentle bluntness there. Um, and I think I've gotten better with practice over the last decade or so. Um, because then you find out what their priority is. Do they want to get pregnant or do they want you to coddle them? Because if you're like, Hey, I had you this three donuts every morning with these six shots of espresso, they have to stop. Yeah, exactly. And you find out what their priorities are, what their pain points are. And then like from looking at their history, their scans, everything,

I sort of make priorities from there. And so, you know, maybe it's, um, you know, Hey, if your priority is to have a baby, then we got to start with what you do the first hour in the morning, because that's going to set the tone for the rest of your day. And we start like, I really start with like one thing because people can't handle more than like three things for homework. Um, and so I said, okay, what can we do? One, one thing this week that will shift the trajectory of everything. Um, but yeah, I said, okay, what can we do one, one thing this week that will shift the trajectory of everything? Um, but yeah, I think, um, and I think others would agree that there's a gentle bluntness

about me. I don't sugarcoat anything. And I used to say this on the birth website, like we don't sugarcoat anything. Um, we're going to give you information and it's up to you, the individual to make your own intuitively guided, informed decision. And that's for everything. But I try to give as much information and facts as I can. You know, when people come to me and they're like, Hey, what, like, especially like with the COVID thing, like what, what do you think about the job or what? So, well, it's still an experiment.

Like, would you jeopardize that on, like, I'm not going to jeopardize that on my body or my baby or my future babies. You know? Do you feel like saying that alienates people? What? I don't, by the way. Do you feel like saying that alienates people? Like, you just expressed your opinion about how you feel about it and yeah and god knows like i i that i feel that way times a thousand but do you feel like saying that um could also alienate

people i hate to alienate people yes like i don't mind being i don't mind being blunt i don't mind but i like um just put them on blast or or Or the example I'll use is this. Let's say Jesus is the way. It's the only way after after there's people who alienate people with that. And then there's people like Rich Froning who don't alienate people. He obviously loves Jesus, but like no one's ever like, man, he's a Jesus freak. You're kind of like, well, shit, maybe this Jesus shit is true.

Look at this guy. You know what I i mean he's not alienating anyone he's not pushing anybody out yeah when you say stuff like um it's an experiment or like i was able to see that like at least i'm as i read into that i think oh she if she had a five-year-old kid she wouldn't inject her kid with this injection. Do you feel like you're alienating people by saying that? No. Because you're such a source of important information for all women. It would suck if someone didn't come to you because they had different views. Right.

You still have clients who get the injection, right? Absolutely, yeah. Okay. I have clients that choose hospital births because that's where they feel safest. I have clients that will, you know, choose the complete opposite of all the opinions I give them. You know, they ask for the info, they've asked my opinion and then they go do the opposite. But that's okay. You know, like I said, as long as you've gathered the information, you know, your values and you're making decisions in alignment with your values.

Great. You make your decisions and I'll support you, you know? But for me, I guess part of like, I wear different hats, right? A chiropractor, mercy therapist, soon to be a wife, soon like mother, things like that. But a doula hat I wear. And one thing I have set really hard boundaries on is the types of doula clients I do take on and the location of their births. And I didn't used to be so boundary oriented there. But do like there's a lot of a lot of variety of people inside my practice that it's interesting you say that our midwives and doulas had crazy boundaries you have to in that in that scene yeah and then from there they were like wide open yep kind of like raising a kid they treat us like little kids like my kids i have crazy boundaries

and within those boundaries you can do whatever you want. Crazy. Yeah. It's yours. Dying up in there. Yeah. Yeah. You're, you're, um, Oh, tell me more about this practice. This, this office you're opening up and what was the name of it?

I keep wanting to say the name of the city, but I'm afraid I'm going to ruin it. What is it? Bronzewell? New Braunfels. Braunfels. New Braunfels. Where is that? Is that near Austin? So it's in between Austin and San Antonio, right on the 35 kind of corridor. And yeah, I've been practicing in Austin since I moved back to Texas and something, since I moved back to Texas and something, my intuition spoke something called, and there's nobody in new Braunfels that's doing what I want to do or doing what I do. And new Braunfels is the fifth growing, like fifth growingest, if that's a phrase like growing a city in the United States, which is fricking crazy. Wow. And it's the town I grew up in. It's where, you know, I went to middle school,

high school, did all, did all the things partied in the fields and there's no fields anymore. Um, but, uh, yeah, I'll be opening what will be called Willow house in January of 2022. That's what it's called. Willow house. Yeah. And what's your future husband? What's your fiance do? So Lance Cantu is his name. Lance is your... Yes. Holy shit. Wow. What a small world. Did this just turn into a three hour podcast?

Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. I've always had quite an interesting connection with him i met him um uh interesting because i don't want to be presumptuous and say that he feels the same but from the time i met him i always felt so close to him yeah what a trip yeah Yeah. Holy shit that I didn't know that. That's so weird. Did you know the whole time I didn't know that? No, I had no idea.

That is so weird. It's, you know, so what's, I normally, when someone's going to come on the podcast, I dig through like all their shit. I'm glad you did. And as I'm starting to dig through your shit, I'm like, man, I better, this is one. I better just like come up with a ton of questions and write down questions and not know too much because I feel like there's a ton. I don't want to make any presuppositions. Like a lot of people will be like, I can't believe you asked that question. Like it was a dumb question, but I think really simple things need to be figured out. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So you, Lance is your fiance.

Yeah. Wow. That's nuts. I know. So. What a small world. What a small world. This CrossFit community is extremely incestuous.

It is so crazy. The feds need to look into this shit. Yes. So we reconnected. Apparently we had met each other at like games and events like when the games were happening in la but i don't remember it and neither does he because he was like you know working piece it together if none of you remember it so i asked some of my friends like asia bartow leah bartow i even asked my are they in texas Yeah, they're in Houston. I just started following Asia again.

People keep telling me I got to have them on the podcast. Oh my God. I love Asia. He's one of my favorite humans. Yeah, he's a great guy. Awesome dad. I've had with him. Yeah.

So, okay. So I was at their first birth as their doula. You can ask him that story. Wow. And then I missed their second birth because it happened so fast theirs is the only birth i've ever missed so you're on the way there and you and you get there well i get the call from asia and it was like a sunday night this for their second baby and this is a home birth and um asia's like i think things are happening or it was a text is i think things

are happening i was like okay cool i'm gonna pack my. And then I get a text an hour later. Baby's here. I was like, holy shit. What happened? Did he birth the baby by himself, like the tub, nothing. Yeah. Poor guy. So, so through the, your friends that you piece together. Okay. I've met Lance before. Yeah. I met each other. Okay. Totally. Yeah. And so we reconnected at Murph last May. What's Murph? Is that the name of a gym or? Yeah, the Murph event. CrossFit Central was the only gym in Austin that was open at the time and having Murph. And, you know, as a CrossFitter, this is like a tradition. And I feel like I'm so drawn. This is one of my favorite workouts to do or, you know, it has a lot of of meaning and so i went and that's where we

reconnected it's like are you lindsey are you lance and then kind of ever since then we were inseparable uh ladies and gentlemen it's it's it's funny that um you know you might be at a rave and you may be high on mdma and you meet someone and you think they're your soulmate, but they're not. You were just high on drugs. That's the same with Lance and Lindsey. They were high on MRF. Hyalendorphins. Their pheromones and all that shit got all twisted up.

No clothes, nothing. As they ran by each other, that shit got all all and they can't get away from each other now we gotta make babies together should people why do people want babies why not know that you're with a mate and then just make love and let the rest fall into place yeah sort of put pressure on yourself So let's say from when you're 16 to you're 30, you're just fucking. And then you meet someone. And then when you're 30, you start really wanting to settle down with someone or maybe even before. And you see the value. And man, I had Emily Abbott on podcast and she said something crazy to me about monogamy that just kind of blew me away that monogamy, I always knew that your parents and relationships were a place to do great spiritual growth and work at both. If everyone's willing, well, your parents, it's a little different, but with your mate that we're just mirrors and it's a really important place to start doing spiritual work to realize you're not fighting

with someone, but that there's a problem outside of you that you guys both need to reconcile and keep moving forward. But what, and then when I asked my mom, why did you have me? And she said, your father and I wanted to make a love baby. And that really, uh, hit me like a ton of bricks. And I remember before we had my wife and I knew we were never going to get married and we knew we were never going to have kids. And then when she started hanging out, there were some women around us who were breastfeeding and, and, and some other factors, some, some things people said to her. Um, and, uh, they, this one lady said, if you have a baby, you won't regret it. If you don't have a baby, you might regret it. And that hit my wife like a ton of bricks. And then she said it to me. So then one day she's like, Hey, let's just start. if we have a baby we have a baby so basically we just stopped using protection

that was what we did yeah and then but then but i also thought okay i need to be more i gotta stop like fucking my wife like just be like i gotta like like start making love to my wife yeah because it's like i don't know if it's true yes it's like what you were saying i need and there's nothing wrong with fucking i don't mean to say that there's something wrong with it but i i want to tantalize the correct spirit even if it's this is bullshit i'm okay with it being bullshit i want to tantalize the correct spirit to come into my wife yeah that spirit to feel i think sex and orgasm and conception and all that, like, where those all meet in the intersection of that is where God happens, where the spiritual happens. And you're right. Like, I need to shift my mindset from fucking to I'm making love to my wife.

I'm making love. I'm really trying to bond with this person. Yes. Yes. I'm really letting go of all compulsive emotions. The connection. We're vulnerable the connections yeah all the layers are off like yeah i'm here we're present together it's so powerful and she really didn't put a lot and she didn't put a lot of pressure on herself at least i don't think so maybe i need to ask her

again but i always felt like it was like if we have a baby we have baby if we don't I don't think so. Maybe I need to ask her again, but I always felt like it was like, if we have a baby, we have a baby. If we don't, we don't. Yeah. I just don't get why someone would want a baby. If you did, if you didn't have one, like after I had one, I was like, oh man, I need like 10 of these. Yeah. I think, you know, I think it's in our biology. Like if we smell a baby or like your wife being exposed to like other women breastfeeding, like it is. She was literally like, hey, I want to try that. Yeah. Like someone rides by on a bike. She wanted to get on that bike.

I'm like, what? You want to try that? Yeah. And then when we're with somebody that ignites the smell and the pheromones and ignites our hormones, it's like in our DNA, hey, like it's so primal you know um and it's you know like speaking of cycles like at various parts of our menstrual cycle like oh my god i can't i just want to like lance is the sexiest person like the sweat coming off of him i can't wait to make a baby with and then other parts you're like i I don't want to be touched. Right.

Right. Right. Yeah. But I think it is. How lucky we are that we work out with our mates. Do you work, you work out with Lance? Yeah. We, we try to do it at least once a week where we're like working out together.

And then in passing, like if the other one's working out, we'll come out there and sit in the garage and like just be supportive of the other person but i think it's so key yeah how do you um i understand how some couples might not like working out together but like i if my wife if i know my wife is in the garage working out i'll go in there yeah just just to stare yeah i mean 20 years of just staring i'll go in because i want to see i just want to move around and do thrusters and shit and push-ups and and i take the boys in there and we just stare taunt her jump on her you know whatever yeah totally and i think that's so cool it's so amazing to be in awe of your mate and just to see them just moving through things having confidence working on themselves you know that's that's so sexy it's huge what's gonna happen to your

by the way our our midwife who was they were they were all so good there was the there was and they were so different. So different. One was really intensely cerebral and the other one was not. Yeah. But, but one of our midwives, I don't want to say she was the best one. They were all so good, but this one just was just a powerhouse of stillness. I mean, like the same way, like just a mountain is so powerful, even though it's not doing shit. She didn't have babies.

Yeah. Go ahead. I thought I heard another voice. Oh, it might have been outside. There's a lawn guy. She didn't have any babies. And I think that I could be making this up and I think it was maybe an insecurity on her part, but it didn't need to be. It did not need to be at all because she delivered. I think some women think like, oh, my midwife has to have had a baby or she needs to have known that experience. She didn't. Right. There was no shortcoming from her yeah i used to be a little bit insecure

about that early on in my career because i didn't know if i wanted kids or not um i hadn't come to that conclusion with myself yet and i met an awesome older doula that she never had babies and she was like you said a mountain like that's a really beautiful description she was like you said, a mountain, like that's a really beautiful description. She was like, you just show up and your, your clients will find you. You'll be fine. Like just show up as you. The other thing she told me was does every heart surgeon have to have a heart attack or have, um, you know, heart issues? Like, do you ask them that? And I was like, well, that's brilliant. heart issues like do you ask them that and i was like well that's brilliant yes no yes you're right how how will having a baby change your your practice you think do you have any any speculation on that well i will definitely take time off um but like you said, you know, early on when Lance and I first, and I don't know if he'll crush me for giving me shit for sharing all the juicy details. But when we first connected,

we kind of talked about all the hard stuff, you know, like, do you, do you believe in marriage? Do you want to get married? Do you, do you want to have kids? What does that look like? You know, for me, I was like, will you have a home birth? Like that sort of thing. Yeah. I'd never thought of that. Sure. Um, but, um, you know, we both said we were open to kids, but we didn't want to go down, um, you know, the assisted reproductive technology route that just wasn't for either of us. And so that was cool. You know, like if it happens, it happens, you know? Um, and you know, I think if it's definitely for some people, but it's not for us. And so, you know, we put that on the table early on and, um, like, like you said, if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, we're living with the loves of our lives

for the rest of our lives. And that's what we're choosing to do. So yeah, in the practical sense, I think I'll definitely take off for a few months. And I've got an awesome team at Willow House that will support me. And so that would be huge. My mom is also close and she is very supportive and willing to do whatever we tell her. That's awesome. Yeah. You have your mom there. Awesome. Yeah.

And we've like my mom and I have rekindled and done like it's been so great being back in Texas. and um I think the turning point for my mom and my relationship because if you don't grow up like we grew up close but not like attached and um you know because we never I never had that bonding with her um but whenever I was going through the miscarriage I she called me and it was like she just knew and um I was like mom I'm going. And, um, I was like, mom, I'm going through this, you know, I'm okay. Like no need to sound the alarms. Um, she didn't think twice or anything. She just drove up to my house in Austin, showed up and on the front, like rang the doorbell and she was there. And I didn't ask her to do any of that. And what she said to me was so huge. She said, I don't know what to say, Lindsay, because I've never experienced this.

But I just want you to know I'm here for you. And I was like, that was the most beautiful thing she's ever said in her life. And I was like, gosh, shit, come on in. Like, we're all good. Like, we're good. Everyone needs a mama. Yeah, totally. And at some point in your life, like just let all the shit go.

And just like we just sat on the couch with the dog and just talked and she cooked me food. She did laundry. We went for a little walks and it was wonderful. Does she like Lance? Oh, she loves Lance. Yeah. What's there not to love? Yeah.

But oh, my gosh, I will. I don't know if I should share this. Yes, of course. No one makes it this far in the podcast. Anyway, everyone's already turned it on. Yeah, oh my gosh, I will. I don't know if I should share this. Yes, of course. No one makes it this far in the podcast anyway. Everyone's already turned it on. Yeah, right. So the first time she met Lance was the first, the time we told her we were pregnant and we were at dinner and she, she goes, what? And then for like 20 minutes, she just rambled. And we didn't know what she was saying. It was just like her body, all the circuits crossed. It was just chaos.

And then she came back and she was like, okay, I'm back. And at that moment, we're like, mom, we're like 38, 37 years old. We're good. Like she goes, I know. I just thought y'all were like 16. It's so funny. But yeah, that was the first time she met him. Brian Heniger said a comment. One note to Sevan's early comments about having a baby at home versus hospital. Totally understand that choice. and it makes sense for some.

But if your kid comes out not breathing and you need a NICU, way different story. So first of all, I want to say I hear you 100%. No one wants to see a baby die. Second of all, one of my babies did come out not breathing and was as gray as ash. And arms were so limp when they held the little baby, six-pound baby up, that its arms were touching behind its back. And it looked like a fake baby,

like you would buy at a Halloween store to throw on your lawn at Halloween. And they resuscitated the baby just like with basically a mask and something to just squeeze. It looked like it fell out of 1920 medical kit. And if you look at the literature, and I don't mean to pick something so controversial, but if you look at the literature for the measles vaccine, you will see that in the 10 years prior to the measles vaccine being released, 500 people died a year prior to the measles vaccine.

And because 500 people died from measles, supposedly, now we're taking this on their word, and I take it on their word, but I'm not willing to bet my life on it. But they're saying that 500 people died a year for the 10 years prior to the measles vaccine coming out. died a year for the 10 years prior to the measles vaccine coming out. And because of that, it was, it was paramount that every child on the planet or at least in the United States get an injection for measles. Now for me with my, my limited math skills, which are, I do have incredible third grade math skills. I know people think that they're joking when I say that, but like I, in simple addition of subtraction, multiplication, division, I am extremely quick and I contextualize everything. I'm faster than Einstein at that shit.

But beyond that, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a great thinker like with quadratic equation and calculus. So I apologize. But, um, the risk mitigation, um, um, to give every kid on the planet a shot to save 500 kids immediately sets off red flags everywhere. Immediately, because there's so much room for human error that even if the measles vaccine were perfect in every way, you have to imagine that it wasn't stored at the right temperature. The concoction was fucked up. The nurse is going to put the needle in the wrong spot. There's going to be kids who have adverse reactions. And with all of those in place,

you are not saving. You are now taking a risk that causes more damage than good. And at that level now, you're doing Nazi eugenic shit. Like you really have now treaded into really dangerous waters. And with the same logic, if you're going to start applying the logic to save 500 kids a year, you have to start looking at everything. And that's what scares me, the precedent. So 12,000 people in the United States die falling down stairs every year. Are we going to remove all stairs? How many people are saved by stairs and burning fires that we need to save those stairs? Like there becomes a point where

you have to use some really simple math and some risk assessment. And so by that, I mean, I hear you. We can come up with millions of cases, I'm sure, where babies had to have been born in the hospital. I hear you. But there has to be. Well, I'll add the infant. That's about as calm as I can stay, by the way. That's about as calm as I can stay, by the way.

That's about as calm as I can stay. And I appreciate the conversation. I'm just a cry baby. I'll add a few things. Those that do out-of-hospital births, and I'm not talking free births. I'm talking midwives, like CNM, CPMs, or out-of-hosphospital obs and there's a great out-of-hospital ob dr stew fishbine and you can look him up birthinginstincts.com and he's a real does that mean he's a doctor he went to medical school yeah and he is in southern california and because like

you said there's no midwives can't deliver twins or breach out of hospitals in Southern California or in California, or it's really restricted. He does a lot of breach and multiple births in Southern California out of the hospital. And his transfer rates are still well below 15% to the hospital. percent to the hospital. So check out his, like he puts all his stuff on his website. The other thing I'll say is over 98% of births happen in the hospital. And we still have one of the worst infant mortality rates and maternal mortality rates out of all industrialized countries. And so if we're just using common sense here, where do majority of the births happen? In the hospital. Why are we not looking at the procedures and what's going on in the hospitals to influence these infant and maternal mortality rates? Are the mortality rates higher in the hospital than on home births?

you know um i are the mortality rates higher in the hospital than on home births oh that's a great question i think so but i don't know if there's ever been a side-by-side study um the other thing i would say is like you mentioned earlier in the podcast like if there's any yellow flags or orange flags or red flags they are are addressed right away. And like your midwife told you, we won't be having this baby at home. We'll be going to the hospital. And that's because there's so much red tape around everything and they need to cover their ass. So there is a ton of screening. Like Dr. Stu does a ton of screening if he's going to do a vaginal breech birth at home um and he's he has what's breech breech is like when your feet are coming out yeah when your booty or your feet are

coming out first and breech used to be a variation of normal until there was a something called the term breech trial that was um in the year 2000 that said it was unsafe and And since then, that study has been debunked and found. Oh, shit. Yeah. And so there's a great. Are you telling me that? Okay, go watch the documentary Heads Up. Oh, man. Heads Up is a great documentary on breech birth.

And it tells us how we got to the state of where we're at with breech birth in America now. And unfortunately, they stopped teaching the art of breech in medical schools. And so there's a generation of OBs that are like my age, your age, that don't know how to deliver breech. The older OBs have been taught the art and skill of breach. And there are some that have chosen to learn from these like midwives and OBs, but you know, there's a chunk of people or surgeons, OBs that don't know, they've never seen a breach birth. They've probably never seen a natural birth. Um, yeah. Like that doctor said he hadn't seen a natural birth in his hospital in San Diego in six months. I was like, what the fuck? How dare you come in here and say that? But there's a

comment here really quick. It says fear drives people to have babies in hospitals. That's exactly where we were. Absolutely. That's why my wife and I were going to the hospital. We were scared to death. Her vagina had no idea how to give a baby. We needed doctors. Yeah. So we're scared. Yeah. You're terrified because you're like, Oh my God, I got to do everything right. Yes. Well, one thing I work on with couples whenever, you know, they're my doula clients is getting really clear on their values and how we like make decisions at every fork in the road based on love and not fear.

Because if we make decisions on fear, we're going to end up having regret. We're going to have so much just resentment in those decisions. And, you know, we go back and look at, oh my God, what if I would have made that decision? You know, can you give me an example of that? Sorry to put you on the spot, but a decision, let's say so a decision of fear versus a decision of love. Okay. So vaccines is a great one. Um, and you know, since we were in school, like I'm 38 years old now, I was born in 1983. So by the way, don't ever say our age again, I'm 49. I'm 11 years. You're senior. When I was a senior in college, you were in the first grade.

You still had skin marks in your underwear and I was clearly wiping my butt already. Go ahead. Okay. So vaccines, fear versus love. Okay. So yeah, you mentioned measles. You mentioned like all of these. By the way, you better watch out. You're going to get twins. That's what happened. The doctor said to my wife that over 35 that you drop multiple eggs. So you, and she, I think she had 21. Yeah. You're going to get twins. I hope you do, by the way, nothing better. The greatest thing ever. Okay. Sorry. Fear versus love. Sorry. So, you know, they scare the shit out of these parents with oh you got to do erythromycin you got to do vitamin k you got to do um the hep b you got to do

all these things immediately when baby comes out and let me like baby comes out with 25 percent of their brain developed within the first year they develop 60 percent of their brain developed. Within the first year, they developed 60% of their brain. And by two to three years old, 90% of the brain develops. Like my whole thing is like, why not just wait? Like why not wait and let that baby just be next to mom, next to dad, next to immediate caregivers, skin to skin, let them learn how to co-regulate with you, with you that, because they're, it's the fourth trimester, the whole first year postpartum. Um, but instead it's the fear that scares people into, Oh, well, I don't want my kid to get sick. I don't want my kid to get measles. I don't want them to get diphtheria or any like pertussis or any of this.

And so that's, that's the whole game of, you know, the injection industry, the pharmaceutical industries, let's just, you know, require more and more jabs and vaccinations. And, you know, by the time I graduated high school, there was maybe, you know, less than 20 that were required to attend public school. Now there's well over 60 doses that are required for an individual to attend public school. And in some states like California, they're mandatory to go to public school. Well, like, just like, think about your- Think your about that real quick what she just said people my kids my three kids have to take 60 injections made by Pfizer yeah and and I don't care what you're gonna say well you can get it from a during just shut up and listen to the story

it's big big picture people it's it's insane Go to school to go to school. And my wife, my wife said this to me when my boy was born and I'm like, so do it. It's the right thing to do. And my wife's like, no, we're not doing it. And I'm like, okay, cool. Fine. But I thought she was a whack a doodle. I thought she was a complete whack a doodle. And now I've started doing the research and going back to the measles thing. If you look at the measles outbreak was outbreaks we've had in California. It's something like one third of the kids who got the measles were already vaccinated. Yeah. So and by the way, no one there. I don't think you will ever find someone who's gotten the measles twice or the chickenpox twice.

You cannot find it, but you can find millions of cases where people have gotten the vaccine and then get it. Oh, but those are just the outlier cases. Right. Those millions. Okay. So you're saying that's like act from a place of love. Yeah. And like these little humans come out just like pure and gold.

Lindsay, I love my kid. That's why I want to protect them and I want to give them the injection love my kid. That's why I want to protect them. And I want to give them the injection, but I love my kid. I want to protect them. But if you, yeah, if you really love them, look at the ingredients. Like if you're looking at spending all the money on a baby stroller or all the, like all the things for the nursery, you can do the same amount, put the same amount of energy and output for researching what's going in and on your body and in and on your baby's body during that first year of life. I think it's huge.

I'm trying to remember the name of the book. I think it's called Dissolving Illusions. Maybe if my wife's listening, she'll text it to me. But there's a book my wife read that really, really affected her, and it's basically all of the studies. I also have been extremely damaged by the hundreds of experts. In the final two years, Greg Glassman was at CrossFit. He started inviting world-renowned experts like John Iannotti. Well, Iannotti's never came, but tons of experts to come to CrossFit headquarters and speak, doctors and scientists. And we started learning about all the crazy manipulation that was going on.

And these were like top, top scientists. And you realize that the entire pharmaceutical industry is basically built on, like you're saying, fears. I've never heard it quite worded that way, the way you said it, choose between fear and love. But the whole pharmaceutical industry is basically built on fear and lies and manipulation. And statins is the real bad one. Statins is a true issue. Yeah. And it grabs parents when they're most vulnerable in this motherhood, parenthood transition. And like you just said, like, I want to do the right thing. Like they, they want to do the right thing so bad and you pull at their heartstrings.

But what's on the other side of that is just profit. Like that's, it's, it's a moneymaker. Um, so I, when people ask my opinion, I say, you can always, um, you can always wait, but you can never unvaccinate. So why not wait? Oh, there's this, there's this thing. Um, when, um, it's so cool having my own show. I can just, I can just call. She's only in the room next door.

Let's see if she answers. We'll hear kids like screaming and shit. More oatmeal. My eggs are overcooked. Haley, answer. When our babies were born, there's this test that they want to do on their feet. They want to get blood, and so they're supposed to prick their – Like a heel prick.

Yeah, they do it in the hospital. And it's a ton of heel pricks. It's not like they prick the heel once and get some blood and then use it for all the tests. I don't know how many times they prick the baby's heel, but it's a fucking ridiculous amount, like 16 times or something to get 16 droplets. So our midwife said, Hey, do you want us to do these tests? And I said, what are they for? And they told me what they're for. And it was all foreign to me. So I sat down on the internet and I started looking up what these tests were for. And these tests were for looking for basically your baby's ability to

digest certain proteins. And if it didn't have that ability, your baby would starve to death and die. And you wouldn't know it. It was a very subtle, slow kind of weird death all around that. So I'm like, well, shit, this is, this needs to be done. So then I started looking for cases of those. It was one in 500,000 births. I don't even think there are 500,000 births in California every year. So that means that like that it was crazy. So then I started looking. When you look at the numbers. Yes.

So then I started looking at studies for any studies that had been done on nerve damage or anything that damage that had been done to babies whose feet had been pricked. And I found one study and it was on rats. And they did the same amount of pricks on their feet when they were born that they did on babies to mimic this. And the outcomes were horrendous. Like what they noticed about how those rats behave versus rats that didn't have that. And I was like, all right. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like you said about the brain development. We project onto kids. We talk about how resilient they are they are super duper resilient yeah i hear you but here's how they're not resilient they are basically sponges and so although you won't kill them you will damage them on a such a deep level when they're between zero and three yes that they'll never recover they'll carry that shit like like like till the rest i'm gonna say something that's really gonna be so silly but

it's the difference between whether you play your kids cds or records or sing to your kids with your live voice before the age of two will all have a profound impact on them. I'm not suggesting one is better. I'm using that as just like an example of the minutiae. It smells everything. And as a parent, you actually see it happening in real time. You won't believe how quickly they respond. And then you can't go back. There's no homeostasis with raising kids. You're either making them better or worse. There's no middle ground. None. There's no like, ah, it's no big deal. It's not like that. Yeah. Especially like, yeah, it's, uh, you're there. Like you said, they're basically sponges and they're absorbing everything, especially through the ages of like seven, eight, nine years old. Yeah. when what are your thoughts on so some um i i i have what i think are just to help these kids alive yeah i think they're pretty rad um that we we don't do anything with them um we

they're just dirt twirlers they just run around barefoot they they only wear shoes if if they want to wear shoes they want to wear shoes when they play skateboard yeah um only wear shoes if they want to wear shoes. They want to wear shoes when they play skateboard. They wear shoes when they play tennis. And other than that, they're pretty much always barefoot. They don't have a pediatrician. They just don't do any of that stuff. They haven't taken the traditional path. But my kids were also born vaginally and they were born and they weren't not out of any plan they weren't bathed for months like just because i just can't explain it like the baby comes out it's on the mom's boob and then that's it and like to take the baby anywhere else seems just wrong yeah like you just feel it that's just where the baby is and then and then they breastfed until they were 18 months and i think my wife would

still be breastfeeding them if i hadn't kind of like talked her out of it like 18 months but like maybe i was wrong maybe they should still be breastfeeding but anyway she breastfed them all for 18 months and i think the reason why she stopped breastfeeding avi was someone told us that if when the twins come she stops breastfeeding avi he'll build a resentment against them because he'll know you pulled him off the tit for them. And I think that that was pretty good advice. So about a month or two before the twins came, she stopped breastfeeding Avi. And my wife would put breast milk on everything. Like if they had a cut, if their eye had like something in it, she would just squeeze some out, some off her boot and just rub it on their eye or just squirt it directly into their eye.

And I just feel like those two components between vaginal birth and breastfeeding set my kids up for just like made them bomb proof and not bathing them right away. Just like all that goop on them. Yeah. and not bathing them right away just like all that goop on them and yeah it's so big for gut development and just brain development then like developing the neural capacities it's huge um there's studies out there that show that babies that um are born in the hospital cesarean um the first things to inhabit their gut are like staph and strep whereas you know that's not the case for a vaginal birth and then they go to the boob um it's quite the opposite it's um like lactobacillus or something else that's scary yeah it's it's totally scary um and there are studies out there that show like babies that were born via cesarean have higher rates of like allergies, asthma, autoimmune stuff.

And if you relate that to autoimmune stuff, to the gut, like it makes perfect sense. Like their gut didn't have time to develop. like their gut didn't have time to develop. And, um, like the, I think that most record, like if you can breastfeed past six months, then you've gotten like majority of the benefits, um, for, you know, breast milk antibodies, developing the gut. Um, and I forget what the world health organization recommends. It might be six months minimum. But it's so crucial for just laying down a foundation. And the gut and immune system just thrive when that happens first. So I would say, yeah, y'all set your kids up with huge success. Like if you compare it to my upbringing.

Or mine. Yeah, the opposite. Y'all set your kids up with huge success. If you compare it to my upbringing. Or mine. Yeah, the opposite. It wasn't the case at all. So, yeah. And my kids don't get sick. I bet. And when they do get sick, when my wife had COVID, they all still slept in the bed with her.

They come over to the bed at 3 in the morning. They're all in bed with her. She still kissed them on the lips. And they all got runny noses and stuff but they just their body naturally filtered it out they just yeah they just still did all their that's that natural immune stuff yeah yeah um you know what you know so my kids on the halloween went they went trick-or-treating they ate some candy and my kids don't eat candy it was funny they like when they see it it's funny they learn stuff for the first time from it but and then um that night um when my oldest son came to our bed like at probably three or four in the morning my wife said oh he's so warm ah and she could feel from all the sugar that he was having

some sort of like reaction yeah yeah oh yeah it's also it's the what's also interesting in this goes back to like helping kids versus hurting kids is you know the studies like there's kids who have who are allergic to honey and peanuts and they and if you give it to them late in life or later on in life they may go into anaphylactic shock and they could die but if you look at they did some studies and basically kids that were exposed to it earlier were way significantly less allergic to it when they're older so by trying to help these few kids the small percentage of kids who would be hurt by it when they're older you're actually hurting the whole herd and making'm i picture just all women is it do you just work with women like mostly is all your like peers like when i watch the ufc like

at the way ends it's all dudes and i think oh birth is probably the opposite of that it's just all women yeah i, I work with all women. And I have for close to a decade now. Some of our leaders have different populations that they work with. And it just depends on their geographical location. But majority of what comes through BirthFit is women for sure. And how is that? Like,

so you're going to get married to a man, but you work in a vocation. I wonder if that's like for a woman marrying an NFL player. I wonder if you're like, he's just with dudes all the time. Yeah. It's, um,

or do you not even know what it's like? Because it's the only thing, you know? Yeah. I probably a little both. I, in the sense of like, I come home and I like love the masculine energy that Lance exudes and that's at the house. And, you know, I'm, I'm very appreciative of that. Um, yeah, I just don't think I know any different.

And he's a pretty manly dude too. So it's probably a good balance. It takes like a thousand women, a thousand women to make, to balance out Lance, all of Lance's masculinity. Is, is this birth fit run itself or are you still involved in like the day-to-day operations? I'm trying to figure out how you're going to balance. I know it's none of my business, but how are you going to balance this new chiropractic clinic, a new relationship, two new relationships, a husband and a baby and birth fit? team. There's four of us, Leah Bartow, a woman named Hannah King, and then Kat Haggerty, who's in, well, her name changed. She got married, but she's in Montana. Hannah's in Kentucky and Leah's here in Texas, but we're pretty on top of things and we've got systems and organization much better than we'd had in the past. So yeah, I would say it probably requires anywhere from four to 10 hours of work a week right now. Some weeks are definitely more than that.

It just depends on what kind of projects we're working on. But, yeah. I bet you if I asked Lance, she says four to 10 hours. Is that true? He'll be like, no. He meant 14 to 10 hours. Is that true? He'll be like, no, he was 14 to 100 hours. She forgot a digit on each end. Yeah, totally.

Um, and, and birth fit is for, um, anybody from the thought of maybe wanting a baby to have already had a baby and you want to make sure that your life's it's it's a it's a place to bring your body and your mind to get them tuned up anywhere in that process between um in in the baby making process from thought to have had the baby? Yeah, so definitely. We call it a holistic motherhood transition program. So there's a lot more than just fitness. There's all the birth education stuff that I've had over the years sprinkled in throughout our prenatal training program. On the postpartum side of things. There's like really intentional rehab. And we take people from lying in for 30 days through the birth at basics and then into postpartum training. So we take them through the first five months of postpartum and there's community support. Like there's a chat section. We have a once a month support session where people can sign on to like a Zoom video, ask questions, hang out, say hello. Yeah, it's I think the community aspect, like I said before, is it's huge.

Are there any all of these all of these, all of these groups, I don't know what you call them, but like these, these birthing classes, any of these places where these women congregate, these, um, uh, these Pilates birth class, like anywhere these women congregate, what were you saying? Yeah. Any of those. Yeah. Just what, just imagine anyone. Yeah, just imagine anyone – anywhere where women gather to start having babies, there is a – that's outside of the – for lack of a better term, the corporate organized ones. Yeah. Are there any that are like pro hospital birth, pro like pro vaccine? Like, yeah, anywhere where when you're when you're not influenced by the outside world, but by by pharma and vaccines and the food companies and the hospitals, do any women determine on their own? Oh, actually, vaccines are better. Oh Oh, actually going to the hospital is better. Or once you kind of remove that, does everyone always come up with the same?

I think, yeah, once you remove. I can't tell if I'm biased or if it's just it doesn't work like that. Yeah, I think, well, there are a number of birth education classes and series that still promote just standard procedures and protocols. Brought to you by Bayer? No, but I don't want to put any of them on blast, but they're common names. They've been around. They're like the McDonald's of... like they've been around and, um, I just, they're like the McDonald's of, of, of, yeah. And they just haven't looked any deeper, you know, um, or done their research or look at the numbers,

um, where I think with us, we're like, okay, just like, look, look deeper, go explore the numbers. Does that make sense? And then what is your why here um and i think whether there are birth classes that are happening in the hospital or birth classes that are happening you know at a birth center or whatever like even one of the midwives which was a cnm a nurse midwife i worked with she still pushed vaccines but it's because she was a nurse midwife and you know was part is basically part of the medical model, you know. Right. So I still think some people are jaded and it takes it takes, you know, a lot lots of undoing.

Yes. Unlearn, you know, the things. Even even even me. I mean, I thought homeschooling and not taking the prescribed vaccine schedule, I thought you had to be a complete wackadoo. Yeah. But it's crazy if you just start scratching the surface what you see underneath. Yeah, totally. I think also that this – I think that there's a ton of people, including myself, who've had every vaccine needed.

Every time I traveled, I took all the vaccines. I take a ton of – I would take a ton of antibiotics. I think that this, what's happened with SARS-CoV-2, has opened up a lot of people. People's eyes. It's made them realize, like, wait a second. They're lying. Because they're lying about, say that again? Yeah, they're like, this isn't right here.

What's happening over here? Right. about say that again yeah they're like this isn't right here what's happening over here right it's it's like catching it's like um it's like uh i don't know you you i hate to use this example but you catch your mate cheating on you and then all of a sudden you realize oh this isn't the first person they've cheated on me they've cheated on me with 200 people you know it's kind of like oh if like it's so obvious that this and the story's coming out about this injection and who's getting sick and who's not getting sick. Did they lie to me about this shit over here too? And then I think that – It's pulling the veil back. Yeah, it's hard.

It's so hard. I'm so lucky that I had my wife. Yes. So fucking lucky. Yeah, she is. She told me no arm wrestling table in the living room and the kids won't be getting vaccinated i said yes ma'am she's not very bossy but on those things she was pretty uh she's not bossy at all i call her uh um i call my wife nagless she has no nagging in her

she must have got vaccinated for it inoculated oh lindsey thank you for your two hours and uh 36 minutes i really appreciate it i appreciate you and your podcast um i would love to uh hear more um after you have your baby like uh i would love to talk in the future yeah Yeah. I would love to, I'd love to hear, I want to hear all about it. Awesome. Give Lance a big hug. You can even squeeze a butt for me. Why not?

I will. All right. Bye. Sav.